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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase modernized 3SU-23-4M-A1 "Shilka"

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase modernized 3SU-23-4M-A1 "Shilka"

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to order the supply in the interests of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of two batches of modernized 3SU-23-4M-A1 "Shilka", the contract is being negotiated at the final stage. This was reported by the press service of the Arsenal plant.


The contract is being concluded. All necessary materials provided to us by the Ministry of Defense. According to the plan, the contract should be concluded in the near future as part of this year's state order. Also, in addition, an order for a certain number of units of this equipment is being considered in DOZ-2021 (state defense order)

- said the general director of the Arsenal plant Igor Voloshchuk.

The Ukrainian military department confirms its intention to purchase two batches of Shilka SPAAG. It is reported that the contract will be signed this year, the amount of equipment planned for the purchase has not been disclosed.


During the modernization of the 3SU-23-4M-A1, Shilka receives a new multifunctional radar station with a digital antenna array instead of an analog radar, and the analog computing system is replaced with a digital one. In addition, the upgraded Shilka receives a navigation system, a support system and a block of digital-to-analog converters.

There are two more options for upgrading the 3SU-23-4M-A1 "Shilka". In the second option, an optical-location system with television and thermal imaging channels and a laser rangefinder is added to all of the above. The third modernization option provides for the installation of four Igla anti-aircraft missiles.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 26 November 2020 13: 53
    +11
    Well, with a change.
  2. sav
    sav 26 November 2020 13: 53
    +15
    Apparently, from old stocks of equipment. I wonder if the reserves are large?
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 26 November 2020 13: 56
      +11
      One is definitely there.
    2. Stasi
      Stasi 26 November 2020 14: 00
      +9
      Quote: sav
      Apparently, from old stocks of equipment. I wonder if the reserves are large?


      They were HUGE after the withdrawal of equipment, weapons, and ammunition from the former ATS countries to Ukraine, which remained there at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
      Now, after the free flight / fall of the country, it is not known exactly how much and what is left unsold, not raked in ownerlessness ...
    3. Equalized
      Equalized 26 November 2020 14: 01
      +9
      Taking into account the fact that all pre-war installations from the 28th and 93rd mechanized brigades disappeared after 2014, and based on all that was sounded, certain conclusions can be drawn about the real combat strength of the ZSU-23-4:
      - 4 units in the training regiment in Desna;
      - 6 units in the 10th Mountain Rifle Brigade;
      - 2 units each in the 53rd, 54th mechanized, 36th seaside, 56th, 57th, 58th and 59th motorized infantry brigades.

      In total, there are 24 units, although almost all of them have been overhauled.




      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2020 14: 47
        -1
        I think more.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 16: 29
          +2
          They have already been searched for several times throughout Ukraine.
          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 26 November 2020 23: 44
            -1
            He who seeks will always find something: especially 60 years ago. Throw the address? There is a lot of money in Ukraine, so they buy any metal with an eye to rest in May
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 26 November 2020 23: 51
              0
              That neither. I just remember that both sides were looking for them, and the results were posted on LJ - they found very few ...
      2. KKND
        KKND 26 November 2020 16: 51
        +1
        Where does infa come from that only 24 are left? Why did they start modernization then? What is the point, the game is not worth it then, or cartoons?
    4. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 26 November 2020 17: 44
      +1
      I don’t think so. Here recently Azerbaijan showed an exhibition of captured trophies of equipment - so there you can get hold of a lot for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not at all expensive.
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 November 2020 18: 28
      0
      So what kind of purchase are we talking about, if it is visible from the MO storage bases. Or did they buy it somewhere in Geyrop?))) Then the banderlyad is unlikely to "pull" - NATO partners will take off the last skin)))
  3. KKND
    KKND 26 November 2020 13: 59
    +9
    Shilka was of course a revolutionary "machine" for its time (60s). The world's first SPAAG (self-propelled anti-aircraft gun) with radar missiles. Then it was assumed that the troops would attack with unguided weapons from a dive, near or flying over the column. She had to, with her tracers, if not shoot down fast jet engines, then force the pilot to instinctively make a mistake and drop bombs or launch NARs too early or make a maneuver that knocks down the trajectory of bombs and missiles. But with the advent of guided weapons and their proliferation, its time has already passed. It is unlikely that the Ukrainians will be able to sell weapons so ineffective in modern warfare somewhere.
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 26 November 2020 14: 12
      +23
      Quote: KKND
      It is unlikely that the Ukrainians will be able to sell weapons so ineffective in modern warfare somewhere.


      Have you ever seen how Shilka works on manpower, thin-walled buildings, lightly armored vehicles and vehicles?
      1. KKND
        KKND 26 November 2020 14: 22
        +6
        Quote: pereselenec
        Have you ever seen how Shilka works on manpower, thin-walled buildings, lightly armored vehicles and vehicles?

        The BMP-2 works just as well without an expensive radar with an antenna array and the Igla air defense system. Frankly, I will say "by eye" that you can buy at least 3 BMP-2 instead of this one modernized Shilka. You are there from Ukraine, by the way, one "Igla" only rocket costs from $ 40000 to $ 80000 according to various estimates. Continue to work on manpower from "Shilka". Moreover, tales about lightly armored vehicles do not roll, there are no armor-piercing ones in the ammunition load. If only for very lightly armored and even then close.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 26 November 2020 14: 27
          +1
          there are no armor-piercing ammunition. If only for very lightly armored and even then close.
          and what prevents to make armor-piercing tracer ammunition in this caliber !? They are as simple as a drill with a winner after a slight "peeling", I do not think that this is a high-tech "miracle", so difficult for enterprises in Kharkov and Zaporozhye!
          1. KKND
            KKND 26 November 2020 14: 40
            +12
            Then dancing with the new radar is not needed at all, following the example of the Afghan, we will remove the radar and stuff another 2000 ammunition. You can go further with additional armor to attach. But the whole story lies in the fact that these 23mm anti-aircraft guns give colossal dispersion at range compared to, for example, the 2A42. They specifically had to give dispersion. As a result, already at a distance of more than a kilometer, it will most likely be shot by an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier with a cannon.
            Many people see impressive footage of shooting from Shilka on video and it seems to them that such an avalanche of fire is very dangerous, in reality there are even tapes of only 50 rounds for each barrel, i.e. 200 rounds of ammunition were fired, and the crew had to manually load four new belts for a long time. By the end of the 50th round of ammunition, the barrels are not chilo warming up. In reality, Shilka should fire at planes in short bursts with misfires of 3-5 shells per barrel; when the target approaches, the crew already increases the length of the bursts.
            It is precisely the fact that Shilka, by the end of the 80s, began to become very outdated and led to the hammering of nails with a microscope, at least for something.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 26 November 2020 14: 53
              -3
              They specifically had to give dispersion.
              for low-altitude air targets, just right! Drones are also different, especially cheap and "low", plus loitering ammunition, AFAR, and by the way! But if you replace only two barrels (namely, increased rigidity and some other characteristics) out of 4 "in the basket", precisely for the purpose of increasing the accuracy of automatic fire with a full burst, then this machine acquires slightly expanded combat capabilities, especially in comparison with the 2A42, at a distance of more than 1000 m. and ammunition is cheaper ..., but will the modernizers of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex go for it, although the decision is afloat ... :) Armor will only increase the cost of modernity, and there is no point in this technique to go to a duel in an open field , only defended position!
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 26 November 2020 14: 59
                -1
                trunks does not heat up
                Duc, a more efficient pump and effective modern antifreeze, or even several, for each barrel (there is just liquid forced cooling), plus control over the temperature of each barrel - a temperature sensor, with constant telemetry for the LMS, solves this somewhat unpleasant issue for the SPAAG of any caliber in land and sea versions!
              2. Airdefense
                Airdefense 26 November 2020 17: 53
                0
                Yes, already cheap military drones can fly and shoot from 3 km, this is, in general, a logical step. Or are you talking about quite handicraft?
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 26 November 2020 19: 53
                  -1
                  why handicraft !? Lightweight optical reconnaissance drones, such as: Wasp III with an electric motor, have a wingspan of 73,5 cm, a length of 38 cm, weighs 454 g and carries forward and side-looking optoelectronic color cameras with digital image stabilization. Range of action - up to 5 km from the ground control point. A lithium-ion battery built into the wing provides an airborne time of up to 45 minutes. The maximum flight speed is 65 km / h. Flight altitude - up to 300 m, about him here on VO and there is an article, by the way :)
            2. Thrifty
              Thrifty 26 November 2020 15: 12
              +2
              KKND is another lie! Have you at least once exposed the barrels to accuracy on Shilka? Do you know what THP is? What is it for? Large dispersion where the trunks are not exposed! From 1400 meters on the range, the track to the target of 4 machines lay exactly in the center, as if they were working with one machine! !! And what about automatic water cooling machines? When you start working on targets, first you turn on the cooling, and you can safely fire 150 shells in one burst from each machine gun! Simply, they shot according to the instructions, with a cut-off on the barrel after 5 or 10 shots! And then only at the test site! In Afghanistan, the military said Shilki worked in long lines! And, another lie of yours -TZM know what it is? The ribbons were loaded very quickly, it was troublesome to always observe the required order of laying out the shells so that we did not have, say, 2-3 fragmentation shots, so that they alternated through a certain number of shells. ..
              1. KKND
                KKND 26 November 2020 15: 49
                +3
                Quote: Thrifty
                From 1400 meters on the training ground, the track to the target of 4 machines lay exactly in the center, as if they were working with one machine!

                Something is very hard to believe in such a dispersion at 1400 meters.
                Quote: Thrifty
                When you start working on targets, first you turn on the cooling, and you can safely fire 150 shells in one burst from each machine gun!

                I confused, it turns out there are two cartridge boxes for the lower and upper machine, 520 for the upper and 480 for the lower with a continuous tape. But after a continuous burst of 50 shells, a break of 3 seconds is required after 150 shells for 15 seconds. Naturally cooling on any include.
                Quote: Thrifty
                And, one more lie of yours -TZM know what it is?

                In general, there was no talk about her, what a lie?
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty 26 November 2020 14: 59
          +9
          KKND ZSU 23-4Shilka has no armor-piercing shells in its ammunition load? Why are they not scared? BZT - armor-piercing prosperous, tracer shell, for your information is included in the ammunition load! !! fool fool
          1. KKND
            KKND 26 November 2020 15: 20
            0
            Quote: Thrifty
            KKND ZSU 23-4Shilka has no armor-piercing shells in its ammunition load? Why are they not scared?

            Yes, there is a BTZ, I really did not remember. 15mm RHA steel at a 30 degree angle for 1000 meters Doesn't mean anything to you?
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 26 November 2020 18: 30
        +1
        I saw the work of the "Afghan" "shilka". I worked with green paint - impressive, felling.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2020 14: 50
      +2
      Shilka, oddly enough, is a danger to the tank. A few seconds and a medium tank "bald", "blind" and "deaf", or even a punctured barrel.
      In addition, according to the recollections of the participants in the DB in Afghanistan, the columns in which Shilki were, were less likely to be attacked.
      1. KKND
        KKND 26 November 2020 15: 00
        -1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Shilka, oddly enough, is a danger to the tank. A few seconds and a medium tank "bald", "blind" and "deaf", or even a punctured barrel.

        It is a myth. It is strange that you spend so much time on VO and believe in it. In the best case, the barrel will be damaged. Compare the area of ​​observation devices and think about how lucky you are if out of 200 shells at a distance of 1 km, at least one hits the observation device. On modern tanks, they are also duplicated. The designers of these anti-aircraft guns laid a very strong spreading there.
        In this case, the tank should sit and do nothing.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2020 15: 16
          +1
          This is not a myth. This is the material that I remember when I studied at KVTIU.
          And I didn't mention range. Do not attribute this to me.
          1. KKND
            KKND 26 November 2020 16: 39
            -1
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            This is not a myth. This is the material that I remember when I studied at KVTIU.


            This is from the Interim Manual of the Air Defense Troops of the Ground Forces
            Anti-aircraft Artillery Battery, Platoon, Installation ZSU-23-4 Moscow-1968.
            I will refer to this document for all those who like to work on ground.
            And I did not find data on accuracy for 2A7 request
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 26 November 2020 18: 36
              -2
              Okay, you posted a manual. It describes in black and white that shooting at ground targets is possible and practiced. Dispersion and efficiency not specified.
              What doesn't match my memories? That the lieutenant colonel - the teacher taught us not to consider the "shilka" as a safe target and made arguments from his own experience?
              1. KKND
                KKND 26 November 2020 20: 02
                -1
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                It describes in black and white that shooting at ground targets is possible and practiced.

                Only in self-defense. That kind of hints that this technique is not intended to defeat tanks, not even defeat infantry from the word at all. When there are no other options, then it is necessary to shoot at the enemy armored vehicles. And here the floor of the VO for some reason is confident that this is a tank support vehicle and even a tank can be disabled. Rather, the tank 20 Shilok will disable it alone than they together (maybe exaggerating).
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty 26 November 2020 15: 24
          +4
          KKND- strange, but those who fought in Chechnya said that they witnessed how Shilka stopped militants in a long line of T62, and then turned the tank into a fire with one shot from the RPG7! And, about such episodes, I heard it at least 5 times from those who went through Chechnya! So, this is really pure water! !!
          1. KKND
            KKND 26 November 2020 16: 43
            -4
            Quote: Thrifty
            KKND- strange, but those who fought in Chechnya said that they witnessed how Shilka stopped militants with a long line of T62

            In the sense of stopping? Impulse shells?
            Quote: Thrifty
            And, about such episodes, I heard it at least 5 times from those who went through Chechnya!

            And besides rumors, what is that?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2020 17: 51
      +4
      An airplane at an altitude of five kilometers it will not reach.
  4. smart ass
    smart ass 26 November 2020 13: 59
    0
    Who will explain why an awl is needed now? What should she do? I mean by range?
    1. Equalized
      Equalized 26 November 2020 14: 03
      +3
      Against small UAVs. In the Donbass, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have problems with such UAVs as the Orlan-10, for which they spend expensive anti-aircraft missiles.

      There are no other uses.
      1. Airdefense
        Airdefense 26 November 2020 14: 41
        +3
        Orlan-10 has a ceiling of 5 km, even a modernized Shilka will not help.
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 26 November 2020 15: 21
        +2
        And if the eagle shoots from 3 km?
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 26 November 2020 14: 04
      -1
      Will they storm the cities of Donbass ???
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 26 November 2020 14: 05
      +5
      Quote: Clever man
      Who will explain why an awl is needed now? What should she do? I mean by range?

      in the Caucasus, the tanks were accompanied, the tankers were happy!
    4. pereselenec
      pereselenec 26 November 2020 14: 13
      +2
      Quote: Clever man
      Who will explain why an awl is needed now? What should she do?

      As an infantry support weapon, this is a terrible weapon.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 26 November 2020 14: 32
        +3
        Isn't it expensive?
    5. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 November 2020 15: 20
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      Who will explain why an awl is needed now? What should she do?

      As BMPT will do.
      1. Katanikotael
        Katanikotael 26 November 2020 16: 08
        0
        Then all these dances with the radar, even modern machines without programmed shells cannot hit small UAVs.
  5. Cympak
    Cympak 26 November 2020 14: 03
    -4
    When nothing new can be created, of course you have to dodge.
    Although, it is much better that just an old "Shilka" without MANPADS, OELS and with an old analog antenna.
    The main issue is the dispersion of ammunition. Will this SPAAG effectively fight old guns, for example, with drones?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2020 14: 33
      -2
      Will this SPAAG effectively fight old guns, for example, with drones?
      it's not about old guns, but about ammunition for them and OELS with AFAR, plus the layout of the FCS with updating the iron and a servo with stabilizers, and since a cheap option in comparison with all sorts of "shmazers" and "EMP" wunder generators, plus and on the infantry "bushes" to cut completely, if you work in economical queues :)))
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 26 November 2020 15: 33
        0
        OELS with AFAR, plus the layout of the FCS with an upgrade of iron and a servo with stabilizers - this is all great, but if your shell dispersion at a distance of 1 km exceeds the geometric dimensions of, for example, a drone, you can only observe it in impotent anger: )
        But whether it is possible to create a 23-mm projectile with remote detonation and a sufficient number of GGE is an open question.
        And the problem with the MZAK was solved simply by military aviation in the west: do not go below 3 km, do not fly close, and carry the enemy with high-precision ammunition from a great height. Therefore, MANPADS will not help.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 26 November 2020 15: 44
          0
          this is all great, but if your shell dispersion at a distance of 1 km exceeds the geometric dimensions of, for example, a drone, you can only watch it in impotent rage :)
          here it is rather a structural problem of the materials of those barrels of the ZSU 23-4 that have been in the drain of this installation since Soviet times ... they need to be replaced - this is a fact, plus improved cooling, I wrote about this already!
          But whether it is possible to create a 23-mm projectile with remote detonation and a sufficient number of GGE is an open question.
          , well, this will be a new projectile, that is, a programmable ammunition designed for the kinetic destruction of only air targets, plus a shrapnel warhead with asymmetrical GGE made of cermet .., which significantly increases the cost of combat use, for "small" and cheap UAVs.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 26 November 2020 15: 50
          0
          And the problem with the MZAK military aviation in the west decided simply: do not go below 3 km, do not fly close
          if the enemy does not have any air defense systems at all, then yes, a good option for army (front) aviation, but there is also a UAV for optical reconnaissance and artillery fire adjustment (for targeting ACS and MLRS), plus light reconnaissance and attack helicopters, all sorts of anti-partisan aircraft, the market of which in developing countries is not small, by the way ...
        3. Kaw
          Kaw 26 November 2020 16: 15
          0
          You can shoot down Harop and Spike on the approach.
  6. sledak
    sledak 26 November 2020 14: 05
    +2
    There is a monument to her in the city of Mytishchi on the Yaroslavskoe highway, and it was made at Metrovagonmash.
  7. yfast
    yfast 26 November 2020 14: 08
    0
    Quote: Clever man
    Who will explain why an awl is needed now? What should she do? I mean by range?

    You can make 4 Toyota cars from one shilka.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 November 2020 14: 36
      -1
      you can make 4 toyota cars
      nope, only two :))) two more will be needed to install the AK-230, so that all sorts of "earthen houses" on the line of contact can be worked out for other fortified firing points !!!
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 26 November 2020 14: 12
    0
    The infection is good, from an ambush they shoveled around the amer, there is no need to look for the Pioneers' mines, on a low level. Wings to one side, fuselage to the other. Guidance, a Shilka was placed on a tactical hill for the radar station. We did not fly anymore. GDR.
  9. rruvim
    rruvim 26 November 2020 14: 12
    -2
    As far as it is clear from the video of the radar with AFAR and HEADLIGHTS they do not have (plates with HEADLIGHTS of a laboratory sample do not count). So everything else is bullshit, especially NEEDLES with GCI, but closed with plugs. What pleased me was that the cameras with IR were installed and displayed on a separate monitor.
  10. Ensign19
    Ensign19 26 November 2020 14: 14
    +1
    It is known about the radar that it increases the scanning sector from 15 to 18 degrees and is capable of detecting UAVs with an effective dispersion surface of 0,01 sq.m at a distance of up to 7 km
    PAR is called "Rokach-AS" and is a serial sample
    1. ultra
      ultra 26 November 2020 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Ensign19
      at a distance of up to 7 km

      This can be rounded off. hi
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 14: 53
      +2
      "Rokach-AS" is a laboratory sample, not a serial one. If it is serial, for example, where else is it used or installed? For serial equipment.
    3. KKND
      KKND 26 November 2020 14: 53
      0
      Quote: Ensign19
      It is known about the radar that it increases the scanning sector from 15 to 18 degrees and is capable of detecting UAVs with an effective dispersion surface of 0,01 sq.m at a distance of up to 7 km
      PAR is called "Rokach-AS" and is a serial sample

      Why so little? only from 15 to 18? Isn't SHAR used there? They wrote the same PAR and they have a much larger review sector. recourse
      1. Ensign19
        Ensign19 26 November 2020 15: 05
        -1
        Quote: - "Radar with a phased array" Rokach-AS ". Modern compact electronics also freed up space inside, and has a scanning width of 18 ° (with a fixed antenna) both horizontally and vertically, but what is especially interesting - when searching for targets works in a circular rotation mode. So, "Shilka" has finally ceased to depend on external target designation. The detection range has also increased: the fighter is visible from 20 kilometers (in fact, 35 kilometers, but the curvature of the Earth interferes), UAV with EPR 0,1 sq. M. Can be detected from 10 km. + Polish cartridge with increased range
        1. KKND
          KKND 26 November 2020 15: 15
          -1
          Quote: Ensign19
          So "Shilka" has finally ceased to depend on external target designation.

          A strange infa of only 3 degrees was added and can you record it in the detection radar?
          If this PAR was there much more would be. I watch an advertisement there it says DAA-apparently Digital Antena Array. Maybe they shoved SCHAR digital there? If there would be a PAR would really boast? Or in general there is not 18 degrees, but much more. Where does the infa about 18 degrees come from?
          Quote: Ensign19
          The detection range has also increased: the fighter is visible from 20 kilometers (in fact, 35 kilometers, but the curvature of the Earth interferes),

          Well, I don't know how to comment on this. wassat
          1. Ensign19
            Ensign19 26 November 2020 15: 20
            -1
            For what I bought, for what I sold
            Write with a fixed antenna
          2. Holgerton
            Holgerton 26 November 2020 21: 01
            0
            The angle of electronic scanning of the phased array depends on the phase shifters integrated into the emitters, it is possible that to reduce the cost of the radar itself, its design and electronic base were simplified.
            But still I agree that the 18x18 ° field of view is not enough for a phased array, apparently somewhere there is an error or a typo. Most likely there is at least ± 18 ° vertically and horizontally, that is, 36 × 36 °.
            Or it meant that the maximum effective detection range
            targets are provided with a scanning sector with a beam of 18 × 18 °, in which the energy of the main lobe does not begin to pass into the side lobes.
  11. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 26 November 2020 14: 21
    -4
    There is a magic button. It is called "Stribki" - and immediately starts jumping, the enemy is perplexed.
  12. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 26 November 2020 14: 47
    +1
    here is a more interesting overview - https://youtu.be/SUGMRkZojTc?t=287
    a controversial decision - but it will also go to fishlessness and cancer.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 26 November 2020 15: 00
      -1
      The decision is normal, simply not implemented in the Okrainsky conditions. Still, our modernization is more adequate, without any "mythical" AFAR (FAR).
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 26 November 2020 15: 08
    0
    The most interesting is who sells. The technique, say, is not new at all. Then there may still be an amount for which they are buying, which may turn out to be more than buying a new Armor
  14. flicker
    flicker 26 November 2020 15: 29
    -1
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine intends to purchase modernized 3SU-23-4M-A1 "Shilka"
    Well, what not to buy?
    They have a lot of money, you can buy it. laughing
  15. Denis812
    Denis812 26 November 2020 15: 49
    +2
    I didn't understand, they have already successfully failed this year the contract for the modernization of eight Shiloks.
    Now the same eight are included in the new contract or what?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2020 17: 55
      +1
      And they will cost like two sets.
  16. Kaw
    Kaw 26 November 2020 16: 10
    0
    We need to do the same and certainly with a modern powerful radar. This would be a relatively inexpensive means of protection against loitering ammunition. Spikes, Haropov, etc.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 November 2020 17: 58
      +1
      In our case, you can deeply modernize the Tunguska - there are more than 400 of them in service and another two hundred in storage.
  17. svoit
    svoit 26 November 2020 18: 21
    0
    Quote: KKND
    then force the pilot to instinctively make a mistake and drop bombs or launch NARs too early, or make a knockdown maneuver of bombs and missiles.

    That is, from our Rooks with Hephaestus can help?
    1. Denis812
      Denis812 26 November 2020 19: 05
      0
      I think that in addition to work on UAVs, our Rooks, coupled with percussion turntables, is the number one goal. It would be strange
  18. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 26 November 2020 20: 57
    0
    with digital antenna array
    What kind of beast is this? belay
  19. Klingon
    Klingon 27 November 2020 03: 31
    0
    Vietnam has already worked out in detail the modernization of Shilka, and they turned out better. Baboons just stole the idea ... just like Kipling (they don't have their own language, they use stolen words) wassat
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 27 November 2020 03: 34
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    In our case, you can deeply modernize the Tunguska - there are more than 400 of them in service and another two hundred in storage.

    This shell is a deeply modernized Tunguska. Just put it on the KamAZ chassis
  21. dima314
    dima314 27 November 2020 09: 56
    0
    Shilka, as it seems to me, has outlived itself in the barrel version because the means of attack have long crossed the 2 km line. She only dive kamikaze drones can strike if she sees and if she hits. All others are capable of hitting the shilka without risking being shot down.
  22. wow
    wow 27 November 2020 11: 45
    +1
    And pennies e ...?
  23. Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 29 November 2020 13: 50
    0
    Here is the question - would the modernized Shilki have helped to fight off the shelling from drones in Karabakh? Or not?