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Russia asked Poland to record a conversation between the Kaczynski brothers before the disaster near Smolensk

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Russia asked Poland to record a conversation between the Kaczynski brothers before the disaster near Smolensk

The Investigative Committee of Russia requested from Poland a recording of a conversation between President Lech Kaczynski and his brother Yaroslav via satellite communications minutes before the plane crash near Smolensk. This was stated by the representative of the RF IC, Svetlana Petrenko.


Russia sent an official request to Poland, in which it requested a recording of a conversation between Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his brother Jaroslav, allegedly held a minute before the disaster. According to Petrenko, this recording needs additional assessment by the Russian investigating authorities, as it may affect aspects of the flight. At the same time, she stressed that the Investigative Committee has no doubts about the circumstances of the plane crash and its reasons.

All data collected by the Russian investigation indicate errors in the actions of the crew, which decided to continue landing in the absence of visibility

- added Petrenko.

The Polish media have previously repeatedly written about the alleged conversation between the Kaczynski brothers, in which Yaroslav strongly advised to land the plane in Smolensk, despite the difficult weather conditions. According to them, this record is included in the materials of the criminal case initiated in Poland on the fact of the plane crash of the President of Poland on April 10, 2010.

Earlier, former Polish judge Wojchech Lonczewski said that he had seen the transcript of the conversation between the brothers Yaroslav and Lech Kaczynski, attached to the materials of the investigation, just before the plane crash, but did not tell about its content, since it was classified as "top secret."

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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 25 November 2020 16: 37
    +8
    Everyone will not calm down ... are they going to dig out Kaczynski again?
    It's been ten years now. Who needs to procrastinate the topic of that catastrophe that is clear to the whole world?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 November 2020 16: 40
      +4
      Hunter 2-birch which the plane tried to ram the Polyakhia decided to bring lol , for an attempt on her life am
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 25 November 2020 16: 47
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Everyone will not calm down ... are they going to dig out Kaczynski again?

      Just think, "10 years" ... 3/4 of a century has passed since the death of General Sikorsky. Until now, they will not stop and dig it out.
      1. mole
        mole 25 November 2020 19: 55
        +2
        No, it's a BLOW, but below the belt. But get down to business.
        Apparently the Poles in Belarus are too "carried away". Is it time to retrieve them !?
        1. Cutter
          Cutter 26 November 2020 04: 40
          -1
          [quote] The Polish media have previously repeatedly written about the alleged conversation between the Kaczynski brothers, in which Yaroslav strongly advised to land the plane in Smolensk, despite difficult weather conditions / quote]
          Let them knock away from the REPUBLIC. Nobody (at all) is waiting for them here.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 27 November 2020 18: 47
            0
            The Poles will never satisfy the request:
            firstlythey, arrogant liars and Russophobes, put forward their false version, which the recording of the Kaczynski conversation completely disavows;
            Secondly, entry under the heading "Sov.secretno".
            And why should they present evidence HIS lie, testify against ourselves, and help validate the truth?
    3. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 26 November 2020 00: 04
      -1
      So it is clearly written: "secret"! And the secrecy is removed after how many years?
  2. bar
    bar 25 November 2020 16: 43
    +9
    Russia asked Poland

    Well, what for to comb this pimple? Why bother with this endless trolling? Don't give a damn and forget.
    1. zloybond
      zloybond 25 November 2020 16: 46
      +6
      I agree. Conclusions are made. There are no new circumstances. The point is generally to communicate on this topic.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 25 November 2020 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: bar
        Why bother with this endless trolling?

        By and large, the question is closed, of course, but it's even interesting - what are you planning? After all
        Quote: zloybond
        Conclusions are made. There are no new circumstances.

        I would add that it cannot be
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 November 2020 18: 42
          +4
          But you’re up to something, right? They don't just make a request, but it seems to me that Poland will refuse ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 25 November 2020 18: 48
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            but it seems to me that Poland will refuse ...

            Refuse, don't go to grandma. But first they will smash their heads - why did the Russians need a recording .. they won't be able to sleep lol
            1. cniza
              cniza 25 November 2020 18: 49
              +3
              These are their problems, but apparently they are designed for failure ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 25 November 2020 18: 53
                +3
                Quote: cniza
                but apparently it is designed for failure ...

                Victor, they are now going to puzzle over how to spoil more: give not give, that is the question laughing
                1. cniza
                  cniza 25 November 2020 20: 55
                  +3
                  They have already accused us that the request is a provocation. lol
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 25 November 2020 20: 58
                    +2
                    Not long amused the old woman, experienced villain ... laughing
        2. Kisa
          Kisa 25 November 2020 20: 57
          -5
          10 years have already passed. do you have a rationale why the Poles are not given the box and the wreckage to close the issue and put an end to conspiracy theories?
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 26 November 2020 05: 42
            0
            Quote: kitty
            to end conspiracy?

            That's it so that it doesn't start. They have already managed to "find" traces of explosives and holes from shelling on the wreckage, and the devil knows what else. Imagine that they "find", get the debris into their hands.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 November 2020 16: 43
    +1
    Yeah, right now they will give us a falsified record, or they will refuse it under the pretext that it is classified by them, or we will return the film soaked in explosives, since they managed to find traces of explosives on the plane!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 25 November 2020 16: 56
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      or we will return the film soaked in explosives

      no, explosives are not the same (times have changed) - now the "newbie" rules ... wassat
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 25 November 2020 16: 43
    +7
    .... and he is the way he answers - be careful, as if the insidious Russians planted a birch tree in front of the plane. Turn away, if cho ...
  5. deniso
    deniso 25 November 2020 16: 52
    +6
    There is a time to bury, and a time to dig Kaczynski ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 November 2020 16: 56
      +3
      "There are three things that you can look at endlessly: how the water flows, the fire burns and someone is working."
      "3.1.th thing: to watch the Poles bury and dig."
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 25 November 2020 16: 56
    +2
    Already got this Polish vomit.
  7. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 25 November 2020 17: 02
    +9
    Quote: bar
    Russia asked Poland

    Well, what for to comb this pimple? Why bother with this endless trolling? Don't give a damn and forget.


    "Trolling" does not stop just from the Poles.
    Despite the fact that everything is clear with the catastrophe, they are trying to fantasize something, traces of explosives are there, and so on.
    Until the investigation is completed, the wreckage of the plane as evidence is on the territory of Russia, both the Poles and we have access to them. If they fantasize something it will be easy to check.
    As soon as the investigation ends with us, we must give all the evidence to the Poles.
    They are not going to close the investigation. It is clear what will happen next.
    It will be the same as with Navalny, as soon as he was in Germany, they immediately found a "newbie", we had his tests without chemical warfare agents, and
    Newbie in Germany, we ask for complete test results, but this is not possible because secret, and this is an "established fact", you are to blame, you tried to kill, here are the sanctions.

    We will close the case as soon as the Poles officially come to the same conclusions as we did on the basis of existing facts that can be verified. Until that moment, it will be that the reason is established, but we find out the nuances ..
  8. Constanty
    Constanty 25 November 2020 17: 05
    +5
    As a Pole, I ask - why is it so late?

    Maybe thanks to you, we will finally find out how everything was really with this conversation and who is personally and personally responsible for the decision to land, despite the absence of conditions.
    We cannot count on the Polish authorities and the deplorable prosecutor's office.

    Thank you!
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 25 November 2020 17: 14
      +1
      May your Polish authorities give us nothing. Or they will say that it is secret or fake. In general, everything is in their hands. If they don't want us to know the content of the conversation, then we will not recognize it.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 25 November 2020 17: 45
        0
        Quote: DenZ
        May your Polish authorities give us nothing.

        Yes, we generally have no formal grounds to request this, until a criminal case has been opened where the accused party is the Russian Federation. The aviation investigation is over, the reasons for the LP have been named, and this conversation did not change anything in the incident. The only time the crew could have been influenced was the Air Force Commander-in-Chief's phrase "Pan Captain, when will you finally land?", Recorded on an in-cockpit tape recorder. In the causes of the disaster (from the point of view of the aviation investigation), this phrase gives nothing. This phrase and the satellite conversation can only play a role in determining the degree of guilt of the participant, but not before the initiation of the case. And this is an internal matter of Poland: all the prerequisites, reasons and culprits are on board the Bort-101.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 25 November 2020 19: 20
      -2
      Quote: Constanty
      As a Pole, I ask - why is it so late?

      Maybe thanks to you, we will finally find out how everything was really with this conversation and who is personally and personally responsible for the decision to land, despite the absence of conditions.
      We cannot count on the Polish authorities and the deplorable prosecutor's office.

      Thank you!

      What is the point of Russia to remove that Kaczynski? Zero. Poland has become pro-Russian? No. Maybe the brother helped his brother? And at the same time they’ve caught the blame on Russia. It’s clear the weather. Accidentally used the chance. We used it. There’s no other point in this business, I don’t see. ”
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 25 November 2020 17: 07
    0
    It is impossible to get out of the current situation, the results are too obvious. Not to attract the Russians, although the Polish leadership, oh, how it is necessary to score points in the West.
  10. beeper
    beeper 25 November 2020 17: 11
    0
    Oops! Didn't know about it at all! winked
    Why have the Poles all these years been plotting, brazenly running into "Russian dispatchers" and with might and main pretending to be "victims of the insidious Putin", while they themselves cunningly kept silent about such an important conversation ??! what
    Apparently in Warsaw they were "encrypted" for so long because this recording of the conversation between the Kachinsky brothers bluntly exposes the Poles as the only culprits of the plane crash of their "presidential plane", and the elimination of its consequences, as well as the biased Polish "investigation" and indiscriminate accusations against Russia and the Russians!) Material and moral damage ?! wassat
    Good move of the Russian IC! good
    Their lard on the wort!

    yes
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 25 November 2020 17: 36
      +1
      I don't want to reimburse the Russians for everything they have done (by the catastrophe itself and the

      Yes, there is one Russian birch tree, priceless. And other trees, shrubs, mushrooms. It will be easier for Poland and the European Union to pay for loans than to us for damage
      1. beeper
        beeper 25 November 2020 19: 27
        +3
        Quote: Mitroha
        I don't want to reimburse the Russians for everything they have done (by the catastrophe itself and the

        Yes, there is one Russian birch tree, priceless. And other trees, shrubs, mushrooms. It will be easier for Poland and the European Union to pay for loans than to us for damage

        hi Poles are "bursting" not only at the expense of a broken birch with her girlfriends, a defiled grass-ant, kerosene-covered mushroom mushrooms, numerous ruined anthills and nest-holes, beaten-up parrot forest animals(I am sure that as a result of the stress from the explosion-fire and noise-din of technogenic human vanity during the liquidation of the consequences of the disaster and cleaning the territory, the representatives of the local fauna lost their appetite for a long time and the birth rate significantly decreased, and many animals completely fled from there irrevocably, who where , having abandoned their crippled brothers to the mercy of an invalid's fate, the population of animals in the district has significantly decreased and is unlikely to return to its previous level even after 10 years ??! winked ), ...?!
        And after all, besides the ecology of nature, there are technical, economic and, I'm not afraid of this word, human losses ?!
        Lost, direct and indirect, economic benefits of the Smolensk Severny airfield and, indirectly, material and moral losses of all ground personnel from the temporary suspension of flights and involvement in the elimination of consequences and participation in the investigation of the disaster, long-term inability to collect mushrooms, wild honey and harvest forest berries, and also - medicinal herbs in the fall-explosion and fire zone of a Polish airliner ....
        My hand is already tired of typing on the screen, and only a small fraction of the Huge Damage, political and economic, environmental, material and moral, image, inflicted by the ill-fated Polish "presidential plane" and the Russophobic bacchanalia with indiscriminate accusations of the Russian authorities in ill-will, promoted by the Ameroholuyans by the authorities!
        The Polish damage inflicted on the Russian Federation and the Smolensk region as a whole, and the military airfield "Severny", its infrastructure, service personnel and local Smolensk residents in particular, defies any calculation - it is Huge, if it is fair to collect from Warsaw, then Poland will go bankrupt!
        The Polish authorities are good at counting, therefore, they maliciously hide irrefutable evidence of 100% of their own Guilt for the plane crash of their Tu-154 and, in order not to pay, are trying in every possible way to shift it to Russia!
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 25 November 2020 21: 09
          +4
          Here you are a human being, all complaints against the Poles were expressed in letters ... laughing
          And we haven't shown them the numbers yet !!
  11. Well done
    Well done 25 November 2020 17: 19
    0
    Now the Poles will format the transcript and transmit it.
  12. NF68
    NF68 25 November 2020 17: 21
    0
    They will search for a long time. And then it turns out that nothing has matured. The cow licked her tongue. And that's all.
  13. impostor
    impostor 25 November 2020 17: 45
    +3
    It would be possible to give the Poles a duplicate of Tu's wreckage, and when, six months later, after long and thorough "examinations", they drill dipole holes in them from the striking elements of Buk, present the original to the whole world.
  14. Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 25 November 2020 18: 00
    -1
    Russian patriots can rejoice
    ... The Latvian Ministry of Transport sent a letter to Russia with a request to resume freight traffic to the republic. Of course, one can only sympathize with Latvia: if such a proud country takes such measures, then the situation is catastrophic. Businessmen working in the ports wanted to send one more paper, but they were not allowed to fall so low.

    The reduction in the volume of cargo passing through the ports of Latvia is associated with the supply of coal: in October, the Russian side did not agree on 94% of the requested amount of coal cargo, and in November - 100%.

    Latvia complains that it receives less volumes due to the lengthy bureaucratic procedure for customs clearance. The client must coordinate the order with the Center for Corporate Transport Services, which is part of the structure of Russian Railways, with the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Transport of Russia, and then wait for the final decision of Russian Railways. However, it seems that railroad workers "slow down" for a reason.

    The letter hints at some kind of informal agreement that Russia will not interfere with the flow of goods to the ports of Latvia. But that's why it is informal ... It's as if a well-fed wolf agreed with the sheep.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 November 2020 18: 34
      +4
      Quote: Vadim_888
      Russian patriots can rejoice

      ... and the regulars of the "yellow house" should return to their madhouse. In order not to post a wild off-topic under the news, the essence of which they do not understand.
  15. zenion
    zenion 25 November 2020 18: 10
    0
    The conversation was about new super-secret reusable condoms with deep penetration anywhere on silicone bearings. With the possibility of replacing some parts, both the protector and the inserted being, that is, according to GOST with repeated stretching and narrowing with automatic sampling of the previously set target, dust and moisture resistant, shockproof with automatic winding of the lower part with a belch. The term of use until the wear of the tread, that is, endless. Instructions - after use, so as not to get to the enemy, swallow. Solubility 3 seconds, cyanide in bearings.
  16. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 25 November 2020 18: 21
    +1
    - what brother, are we falling?
    - we serve, brother.
    - it's Putin's fault, brother.
    - Yes, brother, it's Putin's fault.
    ....... crackling trees, enthusiastic shouts from the cabin.
    Smolensk forestry, thanks you for choosing our forest.
    1. beeper
      beeper 25 November 2020 22: 53
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      - what brother, are we falling?
      - we serve, brother.
      - it's Putin's fault, brother.
      - Yes, brother, it's Putin's fault.
      ....... crackling trees, enthusiastic shouts from the cabin.
      Smolensk forestry, thanks you for choosing our forest.

      hi Bravo, Andrey Nikolaevich, creditable "black humor"! good They made me laugh to tears, I vividly imagined the "picture of the dialogue of the brothers" described by you! yes
      "Enthusiastic (drunk?) Shouts from the salon" and "passing advertising" of the Smolensk forestry enterprise just finished me off, stupidly shamelessly laughing (and laughing again, re-reading your short sketch!) repeat , although I understood that I blaspheme in a black way ... (however, my shamelessness "consoles the thought" that they blaspheme no less than mine, in real life, and the Poles themselves, in their attacks of outrageous Russophobia, over and over again "digging up" the remains of the unfortunate victims of this plane crash!).
      Thank you, Andrey Nikolaevich! good
      I haven't laughed like that for a long time, even the pain was gone and I wanted to live! wink
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 26 November 2020 06: 46
        +1
        Yes to health! I myself understand that black humor. But we have already got these pawns, with their richness
  17. svoit
    svoit 25 November 2020 20: 04
    0
    Quote: cniza
    but apparently it is designed for failure ...

    Well, of course, "CC" must be declassified first, and this will not be done before either the case is closed in Poland or Poland itself will cease to exist, and the latter will happen much earlier.
  18. iouris
    iouris 25 November 2020 21: 04
    0
    Nothing new: Cain killed Abel.
  19. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 25 November 2020 22: 20
    +1
    It's time to ignore Poland in this disaster. To put up a museum of tortured Red Army soldiers near the Polish monument.
  20. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 26 November 2020 08: 50
    +15
    Poles are all spinning, like in a frying pan.
  21. EvilLion
    EvilLion 27 November 2020 08: 34
    -1
    Yes, everything is clear, if God exists, then the Poles simply pissed him off, and he punished them.