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In the United States announced the lag of Russia in the "moon race"

Jonathan McDowell, an American researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said that Russia was lagging behind the United States and China in the "lunar race." According to him, the Russian lunar station Luna-25, planned for launch, is already outdated.


The American expert, commenting on China's launch of the Chang'e-5 lunar probe, said that he does not see conditions for cooperation between the United States and China in the development of a natural satellite of the Earth, most likely, in his opinion, these countries will compete.

I don't think the US and China will cooperate (in their lunar programs), it will be a competition

- he said.

McDowell noted that the Chinese vehicle is more functional than the Soviet E-8-5 series vehicles used in automatic missions to return lunar soil, carried out from 1969 to 1976.

Commenting on Russia's place in the lunar race that has begun, he stressed that Moscow is lagging behind the United States and China "after many years of delays" in its own lunar program, and the Luna-25 station planned for launch is already outdated.

Luna 25 would have looked good in early 2000, but it is less ambitious than the Chinese Chang'e 4 was, and Chang'e 5 poses a threat that it (Luna 25 - approx.) Will become a rudiment

- he added.

Recall that the Russian lunar program will resume in 2021, when the first spacecraft after a 45-year hiatus will be launched on the Moon (the last Soviet interplanetary automatic station was Luna-24, which was launched in 1976). On October 1, 2021, Roscosmos has planned the launch of the Luna-25 automatic interplanetary station. For landing, two points were selected in the region of the South Pole. The point to the north of the crater Boguslavsky was named as the main one, and as a reserve one - to the southwest of the crater Manzini.

It is planned that after landing, the device will take soil, study it, and also study the polar exosphere of the earth's satellite.

Further, in the program of the lunar mission, Russia plans to send the Luna-2024 orbital station to the Moon in 26, and the Luna-2025 landing station in 27. The creation of these stations is included in the current Federal Space Program until 2025.
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  1. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 25 November 2020 15: 51
    +13
    "The Earth is the cradle of humanity, but you can't stay in the cradle forever"
    K.E. Tsiolkovsky
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 25 November 2020 16: 08
      0
      Weren't we the first to be on the moon?
      The question is philosophical.

      On the one hand, the pennants dropped first.
      And Lunokhod went, like after Armstrong.
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 25 November 2020 16: 40
        +26
        What difference does it make to the moon. laughing Now the money is used to rebuild all production chains after the collapse of the country. At one time, even the ships could not find engines. A lot went to the Crimea. Consider a piece of land the size of Israel and Montenegro - it also needs to be put in order. soldier The fleet is now developing. We have another problem - obscurantists are cunning top managers drinks , who creatively receive more salaries than smart brains scattered around the world and now these brains are developing space exploration in China and the USA. Trouble Universities churning out lawyers and economists without stopping. Economists are at the helm who can only replenish the budget by accelerating inflation. But nothing is slowly pushing the country forward. Even the pensions have grown from 200 to almost 190 dollars .... Hmmm. Yes inflation. Sugar entered the store was 29,50 in August, and now from 52 .... in just two months! angry But !!! No matter what! In spite of everything! With the fall in oil prices, the fall in gasoline prices was avoided! And here you are breaking spears for some kind of moon! fool
        1. Leeds
          Leeds 25 November 2020 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: zloybond
          What difference does it make to the moon. laughing Now the money is used to rebuild all production chains after the collapse of the country. At one time, even the ships could not find engines. A lot went to the Crimea. Consider a piece of land the size of Israel and Montenegro - it also needs to be put in order. soldier The fleet is now developing. We have another problem - obscurantists are cunning top managers drinks , who creatively receive more salaries than smart brains scattered around the world and now these brains are developing space exploration in China and the USA. Trouble Universities churning out lawyers and economists without stopping. Economists are at the helm who can only replenish the budget by accelerating inflation. But nothing is slowly pushing the country forward. Even the pensions have grown from 200 to almost 190 dollars .... Hmmm. Yes inflation. Sugar entered the store was 29,50 in August, and now from 52 .... in just two months! angry But !!! No matter what! In spite of everything! With the fall in oil prices, the fall in gasoline prices was avoided! And here you are breaking spears for some kind of moon! fool

          You should be proud of our ambitious plans! And also selfishness speaks in you, 100 years will pass and what will be written in the textbooks that instead of conquering space, we are ....? Or do you care?)))
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 25 November 2020 19: 00
            +5
            Oh, No. This is different. recourse Just as we have done - Ineffective managers, self-taught relatives decided to steer difficult mothers in the field of tanga distribution. And our space industry walks with seven-league boots h / s where. Why put a clubfoot as a helmsman in a difficult topic ???? There you need a mind by the stars, and there the captain is a decisive one. And here a gang of fortune-tellers gathered in the studio and defecate, who will spit in the chakra to whom)))). laughing tongue But the question is: who is here specifically related to the space field? I'm not talking about retrained managers. And not even about the author of the article ... what difference does it make to him. There is a plan - it is necessary to give out to the mountain. But the team really gathered and come on that and because. What is the moon ???. This is not a topic of our mind and competence))) fool
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 25 November 2020 19: 41
              +1
              Quote: zloybond
              But the question is: who is here specifically related to the space field?

              Those who are directly related to the mentioned topic are busy with business. They have no time to drive empty on VO. In addition, how fragrant to spit on the boot of some party member from the EP, they do not generate a thought here. It's definitely not up to the moon laughing
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 25 November 2020 21: 47
              +2
              Quote: zloybond
              But the question is: who is here specifically related to the space field?

              here you are a little off topic .... there was a friend here, two years ago, I don't remember the nickname, but he spoke very specifically about the development of a nuclear engine for a rocket. The logic is that, in the presence of such an engine, all other developments in the world are practically zeroed out.
            3. Bshkaus
              Bshkaus 26 November 2020 10: 15
              0
              But here's the question: who is here specifically in the field of space is directly related
              and what questions you have on the merits, ask, maybe I can answer. I just do not guarantee that you will like the answer and will correspond to your ideas about the picture of the world ((((
          2. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus 26 November 2020 10: 07
            -1
            Why can't you live well and fly to the moon? This is a direct national idea, to rip off the last shirt, to be left without pants, but to wipe the whole world’s nose, so that in 100 years someone would probably remember. I will disappoint you, in 100 years the ungrateful descendants will laugh at the primitiveness of the technologies used. Admit it, you are laughing or at least laughing at the stupid Americans who flew to the moon in 100% of their Apollo gases
        2. stalki
          stalki 25 November 2020 17: 52
          -1
          That's right, the dog barks the caravan goes on. Let them write what they want, we will just do our own thing, weighing the tasks with the possibilities. wink
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 26 November 2020 10: 10
          +3
          Quote: zloybond
          What difference does it make to the moon. Now the money goes to rebuilding after the collapse of the country all production chains.

          So after all, 30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. Will another hundred years be enough to restore the chains, or will it be too little?
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 26 November 2020 20: 13
            0
            You toli think strange ... toli led us by the nose.
            30 from collapse is not 30 years of recovery. First they broke up, then they fought, plus they plundered, then they put things in order, and now there is no way to restore them. wassat You have to be more modest. come closer, don't flatter yourself.
            And ... praising yourself is the last thing. Let the others sing about what we will leave. Comrades, there is no need to beat your thumbs here. Space awaits, took the rasps and let's go to the machine soldier
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 26 November 2020 22: 11
              +2
              Quote: zloybond
              30 from the collapse - this is not 30 years of restoration... First they fell apart, then

              We have been living under the new government for 30 years. And between Yeltsin and Putin there are no contradictions, but there is complete agreement and understanding.

              This is the official position. Therefore, I see no reason to divide these 30 years of capitalism into something antagonistic to each other!

              But even if we take into account the last 20 years under Putin ... 20 years! Isn't that enough?
        4. Roman070280
          Roman070280 26 November 2020 14: 59
          +3
          Even the pensions have grown from 200 to almost 190 dollars .... Hmmm. Yes inflation. Sugar entered the store was 29,50 in August, and now from 52 .... in just two months! ..


          Can you imagine what it would have been if we had not all together recently voted for the amendments ..))
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      3. deniso
        deniso 25 November 2020 19: 20
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Weren't we the first to be on the moon?
        The question is philosophical.

        On the one hand, the pennants dropped first.
        And Lunokhod went, like after Armstrong.


        We were the first to deliver the soil from the Moon, and let the Chinese catch up with us first. then we'll see who wins.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 26 November 2020 00: 11
          +1
          "We were the first to deliver soil from the moon" - what nonsense ???
          The lunar soil was first brought to Earth by the Apollo 11 crew in July 1969. In the amount of 21,7 kg.
          Luna-16 was able to do this only a year later. Having brought in only 101 gr.
          1. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus 26 November 2020 10: 37
            0
            Cosmos22, couch patriots do not need such details: "we are the first and point." In general, it is a pity that people do not bother to look at least on Wikipedia - this is very sad for the country as a whole. But the worst thing is the disadvantages you have given to the comment. "they" are not even confused by the facts, they are not able to admit their mistake. I am blogging on Yandex Zen, so there was a similar situation: they showed photos of astronauts after the landing of Apollo and the Union. And the banter inscription: astronauts after 2 weeks, cosmonauts in July 75 after 6 days (in a pile next to the SA ...) I told the smart guy, just like you, that in July 75 there was Soyuz-18, but the flight duration was 63 days. .. do you think he's calmed down? Imperturbably said that there was a typo and on the part itself, not 6, but 63. Only hour after hour is not easier: almost two weeks with a stopover and days at g = 1/6 with two months of flight in complete zero visibility. The mind was not enough to accommodate the complexity of the Apollo program, which means this cannot be
          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 26 November 2020 18: 41
            -3
            Quote: Cosm22
            "We were the first to deliver soil from the moon" - what nonsense ???
            The lunar soil was first brought to Earth by the Apollo 11 crew in July 1969. In the amount of 21,7 kg.
            Luna-16 was able to do this only a year later. Having brought in only 101 gr.

            Here are just "Luna-16" actually flew, and "Apollo" - in the pavilions of Stanley Kubrick, who suspiciously quickly died after the "flights".
    2. Borik
      Borik 25 November 2020 16: 11
      -10%
      "The Earth is the cradle of humanity, but you can't stay in the cradle forever"
      K.E. Tsiolkovsky


      Who rules Roscosmos over there? So we will remain in the cradle for now.

      And if you just think. Why do we need to throw money for these Lunar programs in these next 5-10 years when there is not enough money for state needs? For Prestige or what? We won it back in the 50-60s.
      But when extra money appears in the state (and there is always not enough money), then you can think about the moon.
      1. Infinity
        Infinity 25 November 2020 16: 18
        +10
        But McDowell is right! In fact, Luna-25 is an attempt to remember the past; it is a rather simple apparatus in comparison with others, even with the later Soviet stations! And its main advantage is the close location of the landing site to the South Pole of the Moon. And it was supposed to be on the moon ... in 2014, according to the original plans! Although for Russia this is, in fact, a breakthrough after the collapse of the USSR.
        And we cannot compete with the USA and China now!
        The United States is rapidly developing "Artemis", and some US allies (European countries, Canada, Japan, Australia) are already participating in the program. And don't expect Biden to shut it down like Obama's "Constellation", no. In June, the Democratic Party said directly that the new administration would support the program, albeit not to that extent. They already have Orion and SLS almost ready, and in LOP-G, we most likely will not participate. China has a lunar rover on the far side of the moon (they are the first there, if anything, neither the USSR nor the United States made soft landings on the opposite side), and a probe flies to take 2 kg of soil (this is more in mass than all Soviet samples taken together taken). The Chinese are preparing to launch their super-heavy launch vehicle and their lunar spacecraft. Yes, we too, but many projects are already far behind the originally announced deadlines. And yes, these two countries are cooler than us in terms of economy and space budget. Factor of.
        Of course it's better to cooperate. But the Biden administration is unlikely to do this, and the Chinese need us more for technology.

        We can say that we do not need this competition. This is also a pretty wise position. But I just want us to be the first in space not only in ... the past, in history, but also in the future and present ...
        The cover of Time magazine in July 2019, a new "moon race" versus a similar one in December 1968. Russia is not here. And it's hard to disagree, unfortunately.
        1. shinobi
          shinobi 25 November 2020 17: 02
          +3
          The professor is either incompetent or an outright liar. The concept of the Luna-25 apparatus is old, only the materials and the "filling" are new. Hurry with the moon, why? The declared mission to the moon pole speaks for itself, the search for ice deposits. at least a dozen devices of different modifications. And here the question will be just in the price of the device, and not in its sophistication. Why do we need ice deposits? And where will the lunar base be supplied with water and oxygen? and in the old fashioned way: a map, a compass, a geologist's hammer, a walkie-talkie, a rifle, a kettle with a kettle, thrown into the taiga on a turntable, and poke to the nearest control point.
          1. ilya_oz
            ilya_oz 25 November 2020 17: 29
            -3
            So what is the feat of repeating the old concept with the help of new technologies? On the contrary, it should be easier.
            1. shinobi
              shinobi 28 November 2020 10: 02
              0
              It's how to say it. Just for fun, compare the P-7 and its direct descendants. The concept is the same, but the end result is very different.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 November 2020 20: 13
          +1
          China is still creating its own super-heavy rocket for 133 tons of cargo - over the next four years we will see it in flight.
        3. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 20: 36
          -3
          And the point is to launch something complicated there now? There are two questions, a question of prestige and competence:
          1) we can now send at least the most complex robotic complex for study .. in the west they will still sing hymns about "he can't do anything" .. it's important for us that Russia will return to the "big space" .. since for decades The USSR and Russia did not launch anything to the moon ..
          2) the main thing is working out the technology and obtaining a minimum set of information .. Yes, most likely the Chinese will be on the moon before us, but after the Americans were there, it doesn't really matter who will be next .. we do not have such a big budget to throw big money for the sake of theoretical prestige, you need to approach the question of the Moon thoroughly .. I personally like more that ours did not begin to harness "we will be the first on Mars" ..
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 17: 54
        -1
        And what wrong did Rogozin do with Roscosmos? In general, only with his arrival did the real movement begin and the fight against corruption, as it were
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 25 November 2020 18: 22
          +3
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          and what bad did Rogozin do with Roscosmos? In general, only with his arrival did the real movement begin

          Are you talking about the construction of the Rogozmos building in Moscow? What a little movement. In this building, they will build their own moon on a scale of 1: 100000 - and there will be no need to fly anywhere. They will master it on the spot. I don’t know about the Moon, but the funding will be "mastered" in full.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 18: 38
            -1
            those. in fact, have something to say?
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 18: 44
            -1
            By the way .. and what are the claims to the construction of the complex?
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 25 November 2020 19: 27
              -1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              By the way .. and what are the claims to the construction of the complex?
              No, there are no complaints about the complex. Big, dear. Where was NASA before him. Only Rogozmos has no real results, and experience suggests: how they transferred all the plans (with subsequent folding), so they will transfer and curtail, imitating activities. Rogozin will write another doctoral dissertation, then retire, and his son will sit in his place - he is just as ignorant and lover of dissertations. There will come a moment (or maybe it has already come) when the lag will become critical and further work on the Large Space will become meaningless. It remains to repeat: "And we had the first satellite, Gagarin, the station, we are, we are, Russia is the birthplace of elephants ..." Shame.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 20: 28
                +3
                lol .. really read the Old and decided to merge with the topic? well, yes .. because it is one thing to write "ah will be stolen", and then figure out that the construction will be paid for by the Moscow Mayor's Office in exchange for a piece of land that is now under abandoned warehouses and buildings .. why develop scientific center Khrunichev from 8 thousand employees to 20 thousand? And regarding the activity as usual .. there are no facts, only naked emotions in your favorite style "but uhh corrupt officials!" ..
                And now on the facts. Rogozin was appointed to the post of the Republic of Kazakhstan after delaying the deadline for the delivery of Vostochny.
                1) 120 criminal cases were initiated and the construction lag time was reduced.
                2) the Soyuz missile launch complex was built on about. Kuru.
                3) the first stage of the Vostochny was completed, the second stage of the Vostochny one was launched under the Angara.
                4) real work has been started on the Angara, Yenisei and other projects.

                But it's always more convenient to write 8 lines of text, there is nothing .. the main thing is to groan without facts, right?
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 25 November 2020 21: 46
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  1) 120 criminal cases were initiated
                  including a great many - AFTER the start of Rogozin's work
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  2) the Soyuz missile launch complex was built on about. Kuru.

                  Don't talk nonsense. The first launch from this complex was performed in 2011, when there was no trace of Rogozin in Roscosmos.
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  3) the first stage of the Vostochny was completed, the second stage of the Vostochny one was launched under the Angara.
                  4) real work has been started on the Angara, Yenisei and other projects.

                  "Running" is the correct definition. Rogozin is a careerist who understands nothing about technology. He is the same doctor of technical sciences, as I am a ballerina. By the way, on November 5, Putin gave Rogozin a terrible reprimand for chatter, zero results, theft in the office. Apparently, he will be thrown out of Roscosmos this year or early next. However, they write a lot about this - and not at all "liberals" and "Echoes of Moscow"
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 21: 59
                    -2
                    that's why I say ... a lot of whining, lack of competence ... in general, some snot and moans ... you watch porn, or melodrama ... but you don't read the answers straight ... I will reveal a terrible secret, namely that AFTER the arrival, the analysis of that mountains of garbage, what we called the space sector .. but apparently you don't have a lot of mind, since you think that by appointing one person as a boss, everyone will suddenly stop stealing, and checks in some way will not reveal old crimes) do you work as a janitor? about "nonsense do not fence" .. as I said .. knowledge is zero .. that Rogozin at that time was on the commission and promoted this project .. well, why remember. About "and here they write, and Putin arranged a dressing-down" ... and? Putin suits everyone for the shoals and not only, but why understand the topic, it's easier to write about that ... yes, nothing ... pour snot and howl ...
                    1. astepanov
                      astepanov 25 November 2020 22: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      .. if you watch porn,

                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      knowledge zero.

                      Respected connoisseur, you would have better mastered the basics of Russian grammar - your "roofing felts" make you sick. This was the commission on which Rogozin promoted construction in Kourou? in 2007 he is a permanent representative to NATO, and in rocketry he is an oak and a zero. Can you name at least one REAL result from Rogozin, besides "will", "expected", "planned"? It seems that you are as much a chatterbox as your passionately loved Rogozin.
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      Do you work as a janitor?

                      No, sir. I have been working in the defense industry for the fifth decade, and I have more real implementations than your fingers and teeth combined. By the way, learn how to place commas too.
                      1. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 22: 31
                        -2
                        yes yes yes .. it always touches when "specialists and experts", when there is nothing to say, in fact, they start to write "and you have oshki" .. and fairy tales about "I'm a specialist, I'm 60 years old and I'm in defense industry" yes .. everyone knows how to tell tales). by the way .. I understand correctly that since you have "more implementations" .. then for any jamb and theft at your enterprise you are personally responsible?
                      2. astepanov
                        astepanov 25 November 2020 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        By the way .. I understand correctly that since you have "more implementations" .. then you are personally responsible for any jamb and theft at your enterprise?
                        Honorable, yes you seem to be from the cohort of "blowers" - since you believe that those who administer are engaged in implementation and development. No, my dear man, I am "in the lower ranks" - a simple leading specialist. And I'm not 60 years old, but under seventy. I am not going to convince you of what: it is a lot of honor to throw beads. And on the part of theft, the docks are just those who are closer to the trough, blowers like you.
                        Essentially, you have nothing to say. You never told how the Permanent Representative to NATO built the Soyuz launch complex on the Kura. I don’t like empty talkers, besides, they write with asipka.
                      3. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 23: 39
                        -3
                        everyone is under 70..ugu..what is not 90 and "I remember Stalin"?) but why do you immediately disown that you are not responsible for anything? accuse others .. that "with him 120 cases were opened!" before him, the entire composition of the space industry consisted entirely of "dedicated specialists"? Well, yes, well, yes .. in general, it’s true .. if you can’t say anything and don’t know anything, better go silently and by ..) it’s so useful will be .. But after all, in the end it is possible to agree on "why the dedicated" at one time the Union collapsed)
                      4. astepanov
                        astepanov 26 November 2020 09: 43
                        -1
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        why do you immediately deny that you are not responsible for anything?

                        Honorable, how to steal - so those who are at the trough, and how to answer - so for some reason I have to? No, dear man, you steal yourself - and answer yourself. By the way, explain to me where and when Mr. Rogozin received his technical education, and where you can find the abstract of his doctoral dissertation. It seems to me that the VAK caved in under Rogozin. This means that he is a product of that rotten swamp, which you protect with zeal.
                      5. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 11: 22
                        -3
                        so you yourself wrote that if the boss is responsible for everything .. so you are responsible for something anyway .. therefore, if someone who has access to the same steals, you are to blame) .. about "caved in ".. Let me remind you that when the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists," technical specialists "were at the head of all enterprises .. and how many enterprises were able to survive and rebuild as a result? Because if there is no understanding of how the market works and how to manage, you can be a great specialist, but a very bad leader .. by the way, that's why, for example, many enterprises have 2 directors, one for the technical part, the other for management .. Pro "caved in". .Let's look at the results that will be in a couple of years) while during these 2 years that he is in charge of Roskosmos, for which "here it is necessary to drive away and that's all" no, no matter how much you would like to write something, but except how to try the construction of a technopolis-headquarters in Moscow at the expense of the Moscow mayor's office you have nothing to cover .. I see no further point in the conversation ... I have no desire to listen to the grumbling of "ya40 years of the industry" ..
                2. slipped
                  slipped 25 November 2020 23: 23
                  -6
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  "I am a specialist, I am 60 years old and I am in the defense industry"


                  Honestly - neighing laughing
              2. slipped
                slipped 25 November 2020 23: 22
                -1
                Quote: astepanov
                Can you name at least one REAL result from Rogozin, besides "will", "expected", "planned"?


                There are many, but the most impressive one is:



              3. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 23: 54
                0
                Spectrum-RG guess?
              4. slipped
                slipped 26 November 2020 00: 01
                +1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                Spectrum-RG guess?


                Yes, the second scan of the celestial sphere is being completed. The map is a plague, the highest resolution. Even on preview, there are many new X-ray sources in a wide range of energies. The neural network makes this map interactive - like a hologram from Star Wars. laughing
              5. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 00: 03
                0
                well, as they say .. one of the best devices .. better current in the 30s want to start Europeans ... but you will be told that "and there are imported spare parts")
              6. slipped
                slipped 26 November 2020 00: 12
                0
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                Well, as they say .. one of the best devices .. the Europeans want to start the current in the 30s ...


                We have two more large astrophysical observatories on the way - Spectr-UV in this FKP in 2025 and in the next Spektr-M. The first, joint with Spain and Japan, of the Hubble type, works only in ultraviolet light (Hubble visible and infrared), the second has a cryogenic 10 meter mirror and repeats Radioastron, only in the millimeter wavelength range.

                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                but they will tell you that "and there are imported parts")


                Here, in general, they were foaming at the mouth to prove that Russia did not have its own scientific program in deep space. laughing
              7. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 00: 13
                -1
                well, about "everything is bad in Russia and there is nothing" is a favorite topic
              8. astepanov
                astepanov 26 November 2020 09: 59
                +1
                Honored ones, the Spectrum-RG is one of four vehicles, work on which began back in 2011. And it is a joint Russian-German development. The main work was carried out at the IKI RAS, which is not part of Roscosmos. Roskosmos brought this device out - but nothing more. And Roskosmos is not engaged in the collection and processing of information either. All of the above applies equally to the Radioastron program. Your attempt to attribute other people's achievements to Rogozin looks more than strange.
              9. slipped
                slipped 26 November 2020 10: 53
                -2
                Quote: astepanov
                Honored ones, the Spectrum-RG is one of four vehicles, work on which began back in 2011. And it is a joint Russian-German development.


                Disrespectful, so what? We have many joint international projects. Yes, all over the world all space projects are joint. laughing

                Quote: astepanov
                The main work was carried out at the IKI RAS, which is not part of Roscosmos. Roskosmos brought this device out - but nothing more.


                Just a little, created the Navigator platform, brought it successfully to the Lagrange point ... laughing



                Rogozin personally took part in this and made a decision on the launch, after the failure was discovered and eliminated.

                Roscosmos is not engaged in scientific research, only scientific and technological. In cooperation with Roskosmos, we are engaged in scientific research by the IKI RAS, medical research by the IBMP. Do you really not understand that it is they who form the scientific program in Russia? lol

                Quote: astepanov
                And Roskosmos is not engaged in the collection and processing of information either. All of the above applies equally to the Radioastron program. Your attempt to attribute other people's achievements to Rogozin looks more than strange.


                Your attempt to belittle the achievements of the Republic of Kazakhstan, under the leadership of Rogozin, in the work on interplanetary astronautics looks really strange, here is a photo from the Lavochkin MCC-L, from which they control and receive data from the same Spectra.

        2. astepanov
          astepanov 26 November 2020 10: 03
          -1
          Quote: slipped
          The map is a plague, the highest resolution.
          There is no "super-high" resolution there, the aperture does not allow. Do you even understand what the resolution of an optical device is? The previously launched Radioastron really has the highest resolution -
          due to the super-long base of the interferometer. But the RG device is really good, there is nothing to argue about.
        3. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 10: 58
          0
          Quote: astepanov
          Quote: slipped
          The map is a plague, the highest resolution.
          There is no "super-high" resolution there, the aperture does not allow.


          Here is Wikipedia data, read lol :

          Spectr-RG is one of the best X-ray observatories for the next 10-15 years (ATHENA will be launched no earlier than 2031) [4]. Unlike previous X-ray space telescopes, whose field of view is very limited, Spectr-RG will be able to make a complete survey of the sky with record sensitivity.

          This is what was said above. If an astrophysical observatory sees much farther and more of the previous systems, and most importantly, it forms the desired image faster, this is ultra-high resolution.
        4. astepanov
          astepanov 26 November 2020 16: 36
          0
          Quote: slipped
          If an astrophysical observatory sees much farther and more of the previous systems, and most importantly, it forms the desired image faster, this is ultra-high resolution.
          Don't talk nonsense, you are illiterate. The resolution of the optical device is the minimum angle at which the details of the image can still be observed separately. In the Spectra-RG, it is about the same as in a good theatrical binoculars. And what you are writing about is called sensitivity. Anyone who graduated from a normal technical university knows about this.
          Radioastron really has the highest resolution. But there is also an aperture of thousands of kilometers.
        5. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 16: 42
          0
          Quote: astepanov
          The resolution of the optical device is the minimum angle at which the details of the image can still be observed separately.


          You are just illiterate. laughing I spoke about the resolution of the final image. About the card itself. It is on it that "one can observe the details of the image separately" by orders of magnitude higher than the previously obtained images by other observatories. Is it clear to you?
        6. astepanov
          astepanov 26 November 2020 18: 02
          -1
          Put more emoticons. The resolution does not depend in any way on the picture you are drawing. It is determined by optics and its laws. If the device has a resolution of 14 arc seconds, like a theater binocular (and it is), then at least you burst, but it will not get better. Admit it: are you a blowjob? Graduated from something theatrical-economic or legal-political science? To start up such scum - it is necessary, like Rogozin, to wipe his pants in graduate school at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism.
          Tell me, do you really understand the difference between resolution, sensitivity, and field of view of an instrument?
        7. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: astepanov
          Tell me, do you really understand the difference between resolution, sensitivity, and field of view of an instrument?


          Tell me, are you really such a saucepan? laughing And don't you understand what is image resolution? So open any Photoshop, in the field for creating a new document you see the word Resolution?



          It is about this image resolution that I told you. lol The map itself is super high resolution with lots of new small details that no one has seen before. So understandable or do you still somehow chew?



        8. astepanov
          astepanov 26 November 2020 23: 06
          -1
          Quote: slipped
          Tell me, are you really such a saucepan? laughing Don't you understand what image resolution is?
          Do you think the telescope builds an image using Photoshop? Where do you come from, schoolboys-dropouts? March to school, kid, learn the ABC book. Instead of the laws of optics, you have photoshop, instead of words, you have emoticons, and instead of arguments, you have rudeness. Learn to talk with adult uncles, then we will talk. Consider that you see the Do Not Disturb sign.
        9. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: astepanov
          Do you think the telescope builds an image using Photoshop?


          Does the pan continue to freak? laughing Doesn't this question make you feel bad? lol


          Quote: astepanov
          Instead of the laws of optics, you have photoshop, instead of words, you have emoticons, and instead of arguments, you have rudeness.


          The angular resolution for the eRosita telescope is 15 arc seconds, for the ART-XC - 45 arc seconds. I was talking about the resolution of the final image, synthesized by a neural network, obtained on the basis of data from telescopes. And this is where the field of application of Photoshop lies.

          I tried to convey to you on my fingers about your delusion. Apparently the pan blocked the view completely. I feel sorry for you. Continue your "Yaroslavna's cry" further. lol
        10. astepanov
          astepanov 27 November 2020 10: 04
          -1
          Quote: slipped
          I was talking about the resolution of the final image.

          Honorable, you can talk about everything that came to you under the colander. The next time you call the permission of the telescope a piece of paper about the right to take the body out of the morgue - and what, you should assent only because your porridge fermented under your hat? But the telescope has one well-written definition of resolution. Pictures in Photoshop have nothing to do with him. And the pictures are drawn for dummies like you, not for real physical measurements.
          Go, Mr. Minetzher, learn the ABC book, and don't fool people with your misery.
        11. slipped
          slipped 27 November 2020 11: 45
          0
          Quote: astepanov
          Honorable, you can talk about everything that came to you under the colander. The next time you call the permission of the telescope a piece of paper on the right to take the body out of the morgue - and what, you have to assent only because your porridge fermented under your hat?


          The pan crumpled and went into analogy.

          Quote: astepanov
          But the telescope has one well-written definition of resolution.


          I clearly pointed out your mistake. You confused the angular optical resolution of the telescope with the image resolution generated by the computer from the data obtained from the telescope. The photos shown above are a synthesized image by a neural network, since you will not see X-rays a priori.

          Quote: astepanov
          Pictures in Photoshop have nothing to do with him. And the pictures are drawn for dummies like you, not for real physical measurements.


          The screenshot of Photoshop was shown to you only so that you understand what it is about. Apparently you understand, but you don't want to admit your mistake. The pan doesn't give.
        12. astepanov
          astepanov 27 November 2020 12: 01
          0
          So I say: you don't understand the difference between screen resolution and telescope resolution. Screen resolution is not an achievement of Mr. Rogozin's department at all. However, it also has nothing to do with the resolution of the Spektr-RG telescope. Did you want to say something about the degree of "Doctor of Technical Sciences" of Mr. Rogozin? How can you not brace yourself?
        13. slipped
          slipped 27 November 2020 12: 09
          0
          Quote: astepanov
          So I say: you don't understand the difference between screen resolution and telescope resolution.


          It is typical for pans to shift from a sore head to a healthy one. laughing

          Quote: astepanov
          Screen resolution is not an achievement of Mr. Rogozin's department at all.


          By the end of the year, Roskosmos has planned five launches of various spacecraft. So relax and have fun.
        14. astepanov
          astepanov 27 November 2020 15: 30
          +1
          I propose to talk seriously. The picture that you posted shows an X-ray image of the Galaxy. The viewing width is 360 degrees. The height is much less, about sixty degrees from the force. Further, on a normal user-accessible screen, the number of dots per line is a maximum of 1024 dots. This gives us a physical screen resolution of 360/1024 = 0,35 degrees of arc, or approximately 2 arc minutes per pixel. At the same time, the resolution of the optics is 15 arc seconds, or a quarter of a minute, i.e. eight (!) times better than in the above picture. Say, the monitor can have a resolution and higher? Yes maybe. There can be up to 2560 points per line. But this is still 4 times less than the physical resolution of the mirror. It would be another matter if you had given an image of not a complete, but a partial review. Then yes, at 45 degrees the image would correspond to the resolution of the optics - but you did not show such an image. Therefore, talking about some kind of "high resolution" of your pictures is meaningless. Nice picture? Yes, beautiful. Are there many points? Yes many. But this is due to the exposure and sensitivity of the equipment. The task of X-ray sky surveys is not at all to obtain high-resolution images: for this there are optics and various interferometric methods. That is why a series of 4 devices has been launched, of which Radioastron has the highest resolution - 7 microseconds of an arc, two million times higher than that of Spektra-RG. All these devices were designed without the slightest participation of Rogozin.
          To be honest, I don't give a damn about Rogozin. But I do not believe that a person can become a doctor of technical sciences in a year without having either education or experience in working with technology. I know very well how hard it is, I saw it on the example of others and passed it myself. There is also a position of the Higher Attestation Commission, which clearly states: an academic degree is awarded for PERSONALLY performed experimental and theoretical work of applied and scientific value ... etc. What valuable could a journalist have done? People like Rogozin discredit the very concept of an academic degree, they corrupt people. In addition, I know guys from Moscow State University who wrote a dissertation in chemistry for his son - until he moved from explosive chemistry to aviation.
          And let's stop this dispute: I understand technology and physics better than you.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 25 November 2020 20: 17
    -3
    Quote: Boris Chernikov
    And what wrong did Rogozin do with Roscosmos? In general, only with his arrival did the real movement begin and the fight against corruption, as it were

    laughing laughing laughing
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 26 November 2020 15: 14
      +3
      Laughing ..))
      But we live with them in the same country .. with such fighters .. as if ..
  • astepanov
    astepanov 25 November 2020 18: 17
    +1
    Quote: Borik
    Why do we need to throw money for these Lunar programs in these next 5-10 years when there is not enough money for government needs? For Prestige or what?

    Correctly. Not enough for medicine. Not enough for education. In retirement - not enough. For affordable housing - you know, there are no denyuzhki. And so it has been for the last thirty years. And when will it be enough? When will those who are missing grab and share with those who are missing and who are missing? Does anyone here believe that they will live to see these glorious times? Something seems to me that such times are just an effemism to denote a posthumous life. No wonder they are almost by force trying to convert everyone.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 November 2020 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: astepanov
      Correctly. Not enough for medicine. Not enough for education. In retirement - not enough.

      at the same time in the country there is a clear bias towards the sales industry ... Trading space has been set up much more than Stalin's factories .... How can the development of the moon be abused about the balance it is worth thinking about ???
  • astepanov
    astepanov 25 November 2020 19: 17
    0
    Quote: Borik
    when extra money appears in the state (and there is always not enough money), then you can think about the moon.
    Well, since there is always not enough, then, according to your own logic, hands will never reach the moon. But - here's the question: why then did Gagarin, Titov and others fly to the USSR? Why did they send devices to the same Moon, Venus, Mars? And didn’t, having abandoned all these works (and in fact they are so slow that they become obsolete before completion and therefore are a waste of money), did we not betray and disavow everything that was developed by my peers from the USSR? And for what, can you say? Doesn't the feeling of shame arise? Say, for the state?
    1. Borik
      Borik 25 November 2020 21: 55
      +2
      Doesn't the feeling of shame arise? Say, for the state?


      Yes, I'm ashamed. It is a shame that only memories of its greatness remained from the former power. And what is he proud of now? The country was destroyed, Medicine was ruined, School education was ruined.

      Here you write why Gagarin, Titov and others flew into space. Launched vehicles to other planets.
      And at that time it was impossible to do otherwise. It was necessary to prove to the world which is better, the socialist system or the capitalist one. And even then there was not enough money in the country for a lot, since after the war only 12 years had passed and half of the country wore sweatshirts, but the USSR proved that it was POWERFUL, the first of the world powers launched the first artificial earth satellite into space, and after three small years the first man into space. And this is not a PRESTIGE for the Power, that we are the FIRST and FIRST IN THE WORLD HISTORY. Then - the first woman in space is also ours, the first multi-seat spacecraft, the first spacewalk is also ours, the first lunar rover, and so on. And these are all our "FIRST IN THE WORLD HISTORY" WE CANNOT DISPUTE. THIS IS FOR THIS I AM Proud.
      Well, the first did not fly to the moon, so what? If Korolev had not died in 67, it is possible that they would have visited the moon, but after the Americans, since only in this very lunar race we lost to them. The Americans are also not a fact that they were there. And if there were, then after 72, they forgot about the Moon. Soon they will celebrate their half-century anniversary. And why did they not fly there for so long? Already with their money, they could fly off once a decade. So they have not launched automatic stations in the direction of the Moon for more than 20 years. Perhaps the Americans then learned to count money. And now the Americans are launching the New Lunar Race, in which we have already been assigned the place of an outsider. And why should we now get ahead. Now we have capitalism and we must count money, and not chase momentary prestige from which there is no benefit for the state.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 23: 48
        -4
        Well, about the collapse of the country, this is to the Communists, it was done by their efforts, about the "destroyed medicine" .. and the growth of life expectancy, then where? "Education has ruined" .. and that is why schoolchildren win every year first places at international Olympiads .. About " here it is necessary to be the first in the lunar race ".. honestly? it is purple to me what exactly our cosmonauts will be on the moon second, third or fifth .. the main thing is needed a RESULT and not" the whole country in sweatshirts "as a result .. The moon needs to go thoroughly for a long time. and taking into account that, in fact, how many years have passed by, the competence is restored first, and then the result is given.
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 26 November 2020 16: 41
          -1
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          and the increase in life expectancy, then where?

          From there. The Accounts Chamber this year suddenly discovered that for some reason our population had dropped sharply. It seems to me that under the pension reform they painted a fake increase in life expectancy, and now they shrug their shoulders: "Excuse me, citizens, the mistake came out"
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 16: 44
            -1
            uh ... and you know that the growth in life expectancy and the ratio "born / died" .. slightly different indicators? oh yes .. you are a "specialist" ...
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 26 November 2020 16: 47
              0
              uh ... what kind of specialist you are, I’m already convinced. The same, probably, like Rogozin. And you never answered: where did your boss study engineering before becoming a Ph.D.?
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 17: 41
                0
                and if you take your pearl about "but the Chamber of Accounts calculated that the population has" sharply decreased ".. then you showed ... that you are a so-so ballerina ... to study" why the population has decreased "two indicators are taken: 1 and mortality per 000 ... for clarification, the dynamics of the average duration and infant mortality per 1 are also taken ... and what do we think? The mortality rate of the population is decreasing, the infant mortality rate is similarly decreasing ... the average life expectancy is increasing. BUT the birth rate is decreasing .. that is, the reason for "sharply decreased" is that people began to give birth to fewer children, if earlier there were 000 children "normal", now there is 1 child. And if we take the forecasts for the population dynamics that were earlier, then even in in the optimistic version, we are talking about a decline in the population in the 000s .. So, apart from whining and groans .. you have nothing .. "expert" is called laughing
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 26 November 2020 17: 51
                  -1
                  Honorable, you are not carrying a blizzard. I know the basics of demography without you. But for some reason, our population "dwindled" in the insignificant period - between the adoption of the new Constitution and the beginning of November. Here, neither a sudden change in births, nor a coronavirus can be blamed. There are either errors in calculations or manipulations with statistics - which is more likely.
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 26 November 2020 20: 56
                    -1
                    laughing well yes .. stat. the data you look at is hindered by the "expertise" .. yeah?) you probably still believe in Nibiru .. especially touches when the "expert" puts himself in his pants figuratively, and then begins to make excuses ... well, why say "I screwed up" .. it's better to blame the opponent in the "blizzard" .. go treat senile sores)
                  2. astepanov
                    astepanov 26 November 2020 21: 08
                    -1
                    Well, so ask the chairman of the Accounting Chamber for statistics, if you don't take his word for it. Where will he send you? You have no real information, you do not know how to clearly express thoughts, you have not said how your boss Rogozin became a doctor of technical sciences. I know a breed of people like you: there are no arguments, but I want to fight off at all costs. But this is your problem, not my problem. So goodbye, venerable.
                  3. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 27 November 2020 09: 02
                    -3
                    laughing and you did not say anything ... from all your bleating, we learned that you are a pensioner ... allegedly ... and that you heard about the decline in the population of Russia. and then "brilliantly" tied to life expectancy .. the marasmus grows stronger, I look. well, this is not talking about the fact that you are on fire with the thought that in Moscow, at the expense of not Roscosmos, but the Moscow mayor's office, they will build a new technopolis for Roscosmos, although they were whining here about "but they will build it for Roscosmos money !!!" ... that's why I say, go and treat your insanity
                  4. astepanov
                    astepanov 27 November 2020 09: 53
                    -1
                    I told you clearly: go, my dear. I prefer to talk with sane people, and not with blowers.
                  5. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 27 November 2020 12: 35
                    -1
                    are they "sane" who agree with you on everything? so let me remind you that you got overexcited to my comment and started writing to me .. so it's funny about "go" - you came and not on business without facts with one bullshit)
  • Simargl
    Simargl 25 November 2020 20: 18
    +1
    Quote: Scary_L.
    "The Earth is the cradle of humanity, but you can't stay in the cradle forever"
    You need to run as fast just to stay in place, but to get somewhere, you must run at least twice as fast!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 November 2020 22: 02
      0
      Quote: Simargl
      We need to run as fast

      any journey includes rest on the way .. smile now a laser thermonuclear installation will be built, then its mini-version will be installed on a rocket, and immediately the most remote corners of our solar system will become, the existing engines they developed themselves 50 years ago.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 26 November 2020 05: 06
        0
        Quote: aybolyt678
        any journey includes rest on the way ..
        Yes Yes! This is especially evident in the Soyuz and Shuttles: "they ran as fast as they could, staying where they were" (and the Unions remain), if they stopped, they fell behind. I had to catch up.
        We had superheavy, but we stopped, now we need to apply incredible efforts to catch up with the still non-existent SLS.
        And so it is everywhere.
        How much can you catch up?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 26 November 2020 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          How much can you catch up?

          catch up on the Earth - Moon route ??? do you know sports is harmful to health ... physical education is much more useful smile But seriously, you need to overtake in another - in the social structure. Socialism has a number of advantages, thanks to which we won the war and, despite the devastation, mastered nuclear weapons and Space. I'm not talking about the revolution, I'm talking about the elements of socialism - planned development and state-owned industry-forming enterprises. And space, while it is on liquid engines, (practically oil products) will wait. It is enough to display satellites for the Internet.
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 25 November 2020 23: 49
      -2
      it depends on which run to participate - on 100 meters or in a marathon ... you can throw in hundreds of billions of rubles "to quickly", but you can spend the same amount, but with a result ...
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 15: 52
    0
    Dreamers ... no country in the world alone will be able to master the moon now and in the foreseeable future with such a disruption in the world.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 16: 43
      -2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Dreamers ... no country in the world alone can master the moon

      NASA and the European Space Agency have signed an Artemis Gateway agreement to collaborate on a promising lunar orbital station, which will also include Australia, the United Kingdom, Italy, Canada, Luxembourg, the United Arab Emirates and Japan.
      So the US is not alone ....
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 November 2020 22: 04
      +1
      What if you dream and imagine that the moon has a nuclear power plant and 3d printers that can print everything from lunar soil - from a brick with a shovel to a car?
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 10
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      no country in the world can master the moon

      Can you clarify what is meant by the concept of "master the moon"? How exactly it is necessary to master it and what gesheft will justify the costs.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 26 November 2020 05: 06
      0
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      alone, no country in the world can master the moon at the moment
      With Zakharchenko's money, Mars can be populated. Need to find.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 November 2020 15: 52
    +3
    Moon is not Moon, but Falcon 9 had its 100th anniversary launch today.
    The stage flew for the 7th time and returned safely for further launches.
    Launched the next, 16th batch of 60 satellites for the space Internet.
    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 25 November 2020 15: 53
      +8
      And with all that, "Lunar race“We do not need it, because there is a risk of“ flying out at the turn. ”We need a forward movement, even if it is slow, but sure.
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 25 November 2020 16: 05
        +7
        Yes, we no longer go forward, we go back.
        There are no allies in the construction of spacecraft, and we have no money.
        China copes in one, more money for them and developed electronics, less sanctions are imposed.
        We try to wallow in our own puddle and pretend that we are learning to swim.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 25 November 2020 22: 05
        +1
        Quote: Scary_L.
        We need a forward motion. Let it be slow, but sure.

        than to develop yesterday, it is better to design the day after tomorrow
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 25 November 2020 16: 07
      -3
      Here the theme is about the moon 25, and not on the falcon 9 if that. You need to go to American forums.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 25 November 2020 16: 53
        -1
        Quote: Fungus
        Here the theme is about the moon 25, not the falcon 9

        Why aren't the bottles "about the moon"?
        NASA has selected SpaceX, Blue Origin and Dynetics to develop a lunar module project and send astronauts to the Moon. SpaceX will receive $ 135 million from NASA to develop a lunar version of the Starship. If successful, the company will be able to offer NASA a cheap and reusable project.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 16: 46
      -2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The stage flew for the 7th time and returned safely for further launches.

      What is interesting in the Russian media about this is almost nothing, as well as the fact that China launched a rocket with a space mission designed to make a soft landing on the moon.
    4. Old Orc
      Old Orc 25 November 2020 17: 08
      +5
      The worst thing is that they have something to put into orbit. And 90 percent of these are satellites of their production, from their components. And what to put into orbit for Roskosmos. DVD with recordings of Ragozin's songs? and thus the DVD blank will be their production. Yes, for the military they scrape all that is needed on the bottom of the barrel. But the civilian sector.
      1. slipped
        slipped 25 November 2020 23: 30
        -1
        Quote: Old Orc
        The worst thing is that they have something to put into orbit. And 90 percent of these are satellites of their production, from their components. And what to put into orbit for Roskosmos. DVD with recordings of Ragozin's songs? and thus the DVD blank will be their production. Yes, for the military they scrape all that is needed on the bottom of the barrel. But the civilian sector.


        Here's to you in the heat of the heat laughing new, just assembled, civilian satellite on the latest Russian space platform:



        Two of these have already been launched a couple of months ago, this is one of the next couple

        how tired of these whiners already laughing
        1. Old Orc
          Old Orc 26 November 2020 12: 24
          0
          I am very glad to see that the work is going on. BUT the latest Russian space platform, if I understand correctly the frame, the engine system, the fuel and electrical systems, the control system, I BELIEVE IT'S ASSEMBLED on Russian components. but the rest of the target load is deeply doubtful about its origin. The fact that this 90 percent foreign satellite is assembled on the basis of the newest Russian space taxi again causes sadness. in addition, the question of the citizenship of the customer and the user.
          1. slipped
            slipped 26 November 2020 12: 46
            +1
            Quote: Old Orc
            I BELIEVE IT IS ASSEMBLED on Russian components.


            The platform is assembled on Russian components and I am writing about this above.

            Quote: Old Orc
            but the rest of the target load is deeply doubtful about its origin. The fact that this 90 percent foreign satellite is assembled on the basis of the newest Russian space taxi again causes sadness. in addition, the question of the citizenship of the customer and the user.


            We have long established successful and mutually beneficial cooperation with foreign developers of target equipment. In this case, at the request of the customer, and this is our GKPS, the target equipment of Tales Alenia Space was installed on the domestic platform. Everything else - waveguides, antenna complex, motors, etc. - are domestic. But this is not the point - we have also developed a domestic payload for the same platform, and it is being successfully operated. It includes transponders of our design based on domestic traveling wave tubes.
    5. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 26
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Launched the next, 16th batch of 60 satellites for the space Internet.


      We are also preparing to resume launches

      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2020 00: 26
        +1
        Yes, I read that OneWeb was bought out after bankruptcy. British government and some Indian billionaire.
        They are, of course, lagging behind "Quick Mask", but all is not lost. fellow
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 00: 29
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Yes, I read that OneWeb was bought out after bankruptcy. British government and some Indian billionaire.


  • Normal
    Normal 25 November 2020 15: 55
    +1
    I wonder if the Americans were already 69 able to "land", then why our current program is outdated?) Well, at least you can repeat it? Yes, we are lagging behind with Mosfilm and we do not have such decorations, but we are trying.
    1. ilya_oz
      ilya_oz 25 November 2020 17: 31
      0
      They are going to land more people, extend their stay on the surface to two weeks, and land at the poles - which is much more difficult in terms of flight. Well, the reusability of some of the equipment.
      1. Normal
        Normal 25 November 2020 20: 07
        +1
        Thank you for your answer, of course, I say without irony, but you know what does not fit into my logic? Knowing these babblers, knowing their arrogance, why, for example, at the beginning of the new century, did they never repeat this maneuver, so to speak? I will make a reservation, I am not a supporter of all kinds of conspiracies, the land there is on three whales and so on, just an inquisitive mind.
    2. karima
      karima 25 November 2020 22: 01
      -1
      Quote: Normal
      Yes, we are lagging behind with Mosfilm and we do not have such decorations, but we are trying.
      And what did Mosfilm shoot? Really?
      1. slipped
        slipped 26 November 2020 00: 40
        +1
        Quote: karima
        Quote: Normal
        Yes, we are lagging behind with Mosfilm and we do not have such decorations, but we are trying.
        And what did Mosfilm shoot? Really?


        Our favorite "moon tractor" laughing :

    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 25 November 2020 22: 10
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      then why is our current program outdated?

      in 69, the spacecraft looked like a can of beer - the proportions of fuel to shell are the same today. The meaning of flying? for the sake of insignificant data? A breakthrough is possible only if the principle of the engine is fundamentally changed.
      1. Normal
        Normal 26 November 2020 09: 00
        +1
        Thanks for the reply.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 26 November 2020 05: 12
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Well, at least you can repeat it?
      These are not mountain peaks that need to be constantly conquered and they are not needed economically by anyone.
      From conquest to the beginning of development, on average, 100 years pass.
      Mastering is commercial, military and scientific use ... (tourists are commerce)
      1. Normal
        Normal 26 November 2020 09: 00
        0
        Thanks for the reply.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 25 November 2020 15: 55
    -2
    Well, the American, of course, knows better from the "hill".
    And we'll see how they do it. It is such a thing, anything can happen.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 November 2020 16: 28
      +3
      Well, probably all the stages worked out have a low risk - go into orbit, get off and gently land on the lunar. Work there.

      New stages, namely:
      - separation of the capsule from the descent vehicle.
      - docking of the capsule with the orbital vehicle
      - way back home
      - undocking
      - landing

      High-medium risk. The Chinese have overcomplicated the mission. They could shoot a capsule like in the Soviet program and that's it. Less risk. However, there is less research, practical material, testing and telemetry.

      They want to continue to fly - the twin Chanye6 is waiting for the results, if it fails, then he flies at the age of 21 in an identical performance, to about the same area. If successful, then it will be converted into version B with a drilling and another capsule (8 meters of drilling, 6 samples in individual chambers, up to 10 kg of returnable). Will fly to the South Pole area.
      Then Chanye7 is being worked on.

      Well, Chanye4 is a long-lived old man. Still tweeting from the far side of the moon. He has been working for almost two years, with sleep breaks.

  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 25 November 2020 15: 57
    +2
    Propaganda article. China definitely does not need the United States in space. And we signed up for the race?
    1. Login_Off
      Login_Off 25 November 2020 16: 07
      -2
      Well, yes, just like under Soviet rule.
      Genetics is not needed!
      Electronics and cybernetics are everything for the imperialists.
      At one time, Russia did not need drones either, everyone laughed.
  • Eragon
    Eragon 25 November 2020 16: 02
    +5
    McDowell noted that the Chinese vehicle is more functional than the Soviet E-8-5 series vehicles used in automatic missions to return lunar soil, carried out from 1969 to 1976.

    Subtly noticed. Indeed, a modern device will be more functional than a 50 year old one. A big expert is seen.
    1. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 35
      -2
      Quote: Eragon
      McDowell noted that the Chinese vehicle is more functional than the Soviet E-8-5 series vehicles used in automatic missions to return lunar soil, carried out from 1969 to 1976.

      Subtly noticed. Indeed, a modern device will be more functional than a 50 year old one. A big expert is seen.


      Well, he is an anti-adviser in life. laughing And nobody canceled the American pretentiousness. Just now they turned their ship out of our waters - quickly ran away. But now they are singing that they say it was their intention. laughing
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 21
        +2
        Quote: slipped
        Just now they turned their ship out of our waters - quickly ran away.

        Now I will again grab fifty minuses, but I would venture to draw your attention to the fact that everything was somewhat wrong. Firstly, an American could and had the right to be in our waters. The principle of peaceful passage. He did not run away, but quietly left. But ours threatened to ram, it does not fit into any framework. That's why he left, he decided not to pump up.
        If I had rammed, and there would have been a showdown in international courts, they would have been to blame.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 04: 00
          -2
          Quote: rzzz
          If I had rammed, and there would have been a showdown in international courts, they would have been to blame.


          Clear. Katz as usual offers to surrender. laughing
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 26 November 2020 11: 24
            0
            Quote: slipped
            Katz as usual offers to surrender.

            Do not give up, but act according to the laws. And not like gopniks from the big road.
            When the Soviet "Charlie-Charlie-Bravo" dangled around San Francisco, no one threatened to ram them, although everyone understood what they were doing there.
            1. slipped
              slipped 26 November 2020 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: rzzz
              Do not give up, but act according to the laws. And not like gopniks from the big road.


              If a stranger tries to break into my house without asking, then he first gets in a brazen face, and we deal with him later ... laughing
              1. Rzzz
                Rzzz 26 November 2020 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: slipped
                If he tries to come home to me

                So the fact of the matter is that it does not rush home. He walks quietly behind the fence (for what purposes, this is another conversation. And you jump out with a club: who are you, what is the wound ???
                1. slipped
                  slipped 26 November 2020 16: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: rzzz
                  Walking calmly behind the fence


                  What kind of fence? belay He has already sat down on the fence and spits on the territory of the garden. In normal villages, the owners usually take a gun and load it with salt ...
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 26 November 2020 18: 45
      0
      Quote: Eragon
      Subtle noticed.
      And the cameras are color, unlike ... wassat drinks
  • kenig1
    kenig1 25 November 2020 16: 06
    -4
    Rogozin disagrees.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 16: 54
      -4
      Quote: kenig1
      Rogozin disagrees.

      Roskosm's bots minus you))
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 25 November 2020 17: 00
        -1
        Rogozin's illegitimate children)))
    2. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 36
      -3
      Quote: kenig1
      Rogozin disagrees.


      Are you Rogozin? lol Or will you be for him?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 25 November 2020 16: 06
    +3
    The earth has been dirtied, now they will take up the moon. It's easier than putting things in order at home.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 17: 07
      -7
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The earth was dirtied, now they will take up the moon.

      That's for sure, now the entire Moon will be flooded with barrels of fuel oil like New Earth in the Arctic laughing
  • anjey
    anjey 25 November 2020 16: 07
    -2
    The Chinese are closer than ever to debunking the American, great "moon hoax" laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 November 2020 16: 23
      +2
      So far, they've confirmed everything.
      A Chinese lunar rover on the dark side of the moon takes photos similar
      American from Apollo.
      NASA probe captured thousands of frames with two Soviet lunar rovers and all Luna stations
      and six parking lots for American vehicles.
      One and the same camera, from the same height, with the same resolution.
      The same traces as American rovers and Soviet lunar rovers.
      Everything is about the same.
      1. anjey
        anjey 25 November 2020 17: 19
        -1
        Come on, if the Yankees really landed and took off from the moon in those years, they would hardly have curtailed the lunar program, they would have developed its minerals long ago and the issue of leadership in this world race would not have been.
      2. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 24
        -2
        Now there is a version that the Apolons flew in unmanned mode and only in one direction. And the descent module was thrown off the plane under the TV cameras.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 November 2020 10: 28
          +1
          Exist as a photo of the descent module, photographed from the orbital
          against the background of the Moon and the Earth, and vice versa: pictures of the orbital, taken from
          descent.
          All stages: orbit, descent to the moon, ascent - sfotkany.
          The unfortunate conspirators do not know what else to invent. laughing
          1. Rzzz
            Rzzz 26 November 2020 14: 51
            0
            Well I say, this is the version. I'm not campaigning for her. Cho minus something so rabid. I don’t care if they flew there or not.
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 26 November 2020 18: 48
              +1
              Quote: rzzz
              Well I say, this is the version.
              The version should be based on something. When the support is the discarding of inconvenient facts, this is a fake.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 26 November 2020 18: 47
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            All stages: orbit, descent to the moon, ascent - sfotkany.
            There is even a video ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 November 2020 16: 07
    -1
    Whose mooing, learn to make engines for a start.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 17: 02
      -4
      Quote: Ros 56
      Whose mooing, learn to make engines for a start.

      So they learned))), the first stage of the Falcon 9 uses nine Merlin liquid propellant rocket engines, while the second stage uses one Merlin Vacuum liquid propellant rocket engine.
      The Chinese have engines YF-100, YF-115, YF-85.
      1. slipped
        slipped 25 November 2020 23: 37
        -4
        Quote: RUSS
        YF-100


        This is RD-120, Ukraine has sold the technology. More precisely, based on the RD-120.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 26 November 2020 07: 52
        -2
        It's not evening yet, we'll wait and see how it will be. It seems to me that in the next year, something will change dramatically on our planet.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 26 November 2020 18: 50
      +1
      RS all sorts. We do not make such people - there is nowhere to steal and buy. "Moo" further.
  • Fungus
    Fungus 25 November 2020 16: 08
    +1
    Outdated not outdated but the soil will take. We'll hope.
  • alma
    alma 25 November 2020 16: 16
    +15
    American researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Jonathan McDowell said that Russia is lagging behind the United States and China in the "lunar race"

    It looks like he is the most brainy laughing
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 November 2020 16: 38
    -3
    We do not lag behind, we harness for a very, very long time lol , and we think, is it worth flying there at all (without Ragozin on board) ??? wassat
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 17: 05
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      We are not behind we harness for a very, very long time ...

      ... a dead horse, which belongs to the burial ground.
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 26
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        dead horse

        .... besides, it is also not real, but painted on the wall of the barn.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 17: 09
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      without Ragozin on board) ???

      He has other ideas and concerns)))
      Roscosmos plans to produce perfumes, clothing and alcohol under the Let's Go! - the famous phrase of the first cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 November 2020 16: 48
    +1
    Are we lagging behind?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 17: 10
      -6
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Are we lagging behind?

      Lagged behind
      1. Pilot
        Pilot 25 November 2020 20: 01
        +4
        There is no lagging behind, just Russia did not appear for the moon race))
    2. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 40
      -2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Are we lagging behind?


      No. Just one example - the Jade Hare 2 has traveled a little less than a kilometer on the Moon since landing. Lunokhod-1 - 80 km.

      Quote: Pilot
      There is no lagging behind, just Russia did not appear for the moon race))


      We are in no hurry. We have a specific target on the moon.
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 28
        0
        Quote: slipped
        ... We have a specific target on the moon.

        What ??? belay belay belay
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 04: 04
          +1
          Quote: rzzz
          What ??? belay belay belay


          The abandoned alien ship was found, glittered through the telescope. laughing Joke.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 26 November 2020 18: 53
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        Just one example - Jade Hare 2 has traveled a little less than a kilometer on the moon since landing. Lunokhod-1 - 80 km.
        Only the hare is now, it can be repeated (and / or improved).

        Quote: slipped
        We are in no hurry.
        Is doing nothing now called?
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 23: 07
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          Only the hare is now, it can be repeated (and / or improved).


          Why should we repeat now what we already did 45 years ago? What do you think everything that the Lunokhod and the moon rovers collected suddenly evaporated? laughing No. Everything is kept in storage. And magnetic tapes with the recording of all the video from the Lunokhod rovers, including stereo pairs and their telemetry and scientific dissertations on soil, and the soil itself too.

          Quote: Simargl
          Is doing nothing now called?


          This is called pragmatism. laughing Until this year, the Russian lunar science program focused on mapping the location of water ice. The map was created. Found a place where you can land the station. The first station flies into the astronomical window of the fall of 2021, which will allow our Soyuz-2.1b rocket with the Fregat upper stage, which starts from Vostochny, to deliver the station exactly to this place on the Moon - ballistics and energy are such, do you understand?

          That is why the launch is October 1st.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 27 November 2020 03: 48
            0
            Quote: slipped
            Why should we repeat now what we already did 45 years ago?
            Probably in order not to produce Ford-T. Hares don't do exactly the same?

            Quote: slipped
            What do you think everything that the Lunokhod and the moon rovers collected suddenly evaporated?
            The quality of the materials is perhaps sufficient, but somehow better it can be.

            Quote: slipped
            This is called pragmatism.
            This is called catching up again.
            1. slipped
              slipped 27 November 2020 04: 40
              -1
              Quote: Simargl
              Probably in order not to produce Ford-T. Hares don't do exactly the same?


              In general, the same, only instead of a door they use a window.

              Quote: Simargl
              The quality of the materials is perhaps sufficient, but somehow better it can be.


              The lunar rovers filmed more than 300 high-resolution panoramas at various points of their movement with telephotometers, including pseudostereoscopic ones.



              I am not even talking about tens of thousands of frames of low-frame television. At the parking points, a physical and chemical analysis of the soil was carried out. There is a lot of material. It could be better, but for what?

              That's when they will create a lunar polygon, then only better is needed. This will be done by the Luna-28 and Luna-29 stations.

              Quote: Simargl
              This is called catching up again.


              You are fundamentally wrong. We do not need to do on the moon what has already been done or what China is doing on the moon now. Our tasks are broader.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 27 November 2020 12: 39
                0
                so after all, people have no idea that sending a lunar rover costs money .. they want to show off .. that's why they want to spend 5-7 billion rubles for launching at least XNUMX-XNUMX billion rubles for the launch .. after all, to understand that the Chinese are doing what we ALREADY have done .. this is complicated
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl 27 November 2020 19: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Boris Chernikov
                  people have no idea that sending a lunar rover costs money .. they want to show off .. that's why they want to spend 5-7 billion rubles for launching at least for the show ..
                  But many do not understand that launching the Lunokhod is:
                  1 - make a rocket,
                  2 - make a Lunokhod,
                  3 - run it all,
                  4 - manage.
                  And as the preparatory and intermediate stages - this is the training and formation of specialists, the development of contacts, the awakening of interest among the population ...
                  Or do you think that after pouring money on the Lunokhod, if suddenly (these are the same show-offs, not a program) will it be needed, will it be drastically made out of nothing and without nothing?
                  Yes, that's a fig there! It is only defective managers who can dream like that.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 27 November 2020 22: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    1 - make a rocket,


                    Soyuz-5 is being built, Angara-A5 is being tested.

                    Quote: Simargl
                    2 - make a Lunokhod,


                    The Lunokhod's chassis was designed in the 70s and tested in a real trip on the Moon. And the developer is still available.

                    Quote: Simargl
                    3 - run it all,


                    We launch it regularly. It is necessary to work out the landing of the new landing platform, which will be done by Luna-25 and Luna-27.

                    Quote: Simargl
                    4 - manage.


                    Our TOPU systems have reached perfection.

                    Quote: Simargl
                    Or do you think that after pouring money on the Lunokhod, if suddenly (these are the same show-offs, not a program) will it be needed, will it be drastically made out of nothing and without nothing?


                    Above you chewed - from what.
              2. Simargl
                Simargl 27 November 2020 19: 34
                0
                Quote: slipped
                In general, the same, only instead of a door they use a window.
                In fact, they are engaged in technology adaptation. And they entice specialists. They don't need much - only key ones.

                Quote: slipped
                The lunar rovers took more than 300 high-resolution panoramas at various points of their movement with telephotometers,
                How much is high? The cameras had a resolution of 500 lines at a wild focal length (meters from 30 people turned into a few pixels, probably. And they were black and white. So there is no need to talk about the quality of the materials: one picture of the "Hare" is of higher quality than the panorama of Lunokhodov.

                Quote: slipped
                including pseudostereoscopic.
                Is it difficult with multiple cameras? Yes, even one is possible. If necessary, I can show you how.

                Quote: slipped
                There is a lot of material. It could be better, but for what?
                You really do not understand?
                Quote: Simargl ... more precisely - L. Carol
                You need to run as fast just to stay in place, but to get somewhere, you must run at least twice as fast!
                What did the stop in the exploration of the moon lead to? To the sects of those doubting the American lunar program, to the fact that we have practically no school that would continue to create technology for the study of other celestial bodies (not only the Moon, but also Mars, Venus, satellites of giant planets, asteroids).

                Quote: slipped
                That's when they will create a lunar polygon, then only better is needed.
                Before creating a landfill, you need to learn how to plant (by the way, this is what Musk is doing - working out these landing technologies, and not just reusing, as many are mistaken) of a spacecraft on the surface of a planet / sub-planet (in particular, the Moon). Then find a suitable site, and for this you need to fly around in low orbit, ride on the surface decently. Then - "Fedors" (not Bondarchuk, I hope) will build a base, and only then - people. This is mastering. But sticking a flag in the first place that comes across - you don't need much (relatively) cleverness. Especially if you don't need feedback.

                Quote: slipped
                This will be done by the Luna-28 and Luna-29 stations.
                Deliver the lunar soil and roll the Lunokhod? Wait! It already happened almost 50 years ago! Or did we decide to catch up with the Chinese?

                Quote: slipped
                You are fundamentally wrong.
                What's wrong then? We have no left nothingwhich provided us with a lunar program ... well, except for the Unions. N-1 did not work out and sank into oblivion, Energy cannot be revived, Proton is no longer there, and Angara is not yet ... and there is no school of spacecraft creation either.

                Quote: slipped
                We do not need to do on the moon what has already been done or what China is doing on the moon now.
                In light of the above, we need again develop a school and technological chains, and this is what China is doing. Only China without a word again.

                Quote: slipped
                Our tasks are broader.
                The challenge now is not to lose space. L. Carol said very right. But we are trudging.

                PS
                I am not belittling the contribution of the Lunokhod! But in its time!!!
                1. slipped
                  slipped 27 November 2020 23: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  In fact, they are engaged in technology adaptation. And they entice specialists. They don't need much - only key ones.


                  Name who was "enticed from the key". Or is it your idle chatter? laughing

                  Quote: Simargl
                  How much is high? The cameras had a resolution of 500 lines at a wild focal length (meters from 30 people turned into a few pixels, probably. And they were black and white.


                  Telephotometers are not television cameras. These are scanners. There were four of them on each Lunokhod and the panoramas were made both horizontal and vertical. The resolution is not less than 6000 × 500 elements. A sample of such a panorama, and not the original, recorded on a magnetic tape, but a print already digitized previously printed on a printer, I posted above. Small details on the surface of the Moon are perfectly visible on it (taking into account of course the Jpeg compression of this particular photo posted on the network). In addition, pseudostereopairs are no different from real stereopairs, since there is no movement on the Moon and give a general idea of ​​the volume of surrounding objects.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  So there is no need to talk about the quality of the materials: one picture of the "Hare" is of higher quality than the panorama of the Lunokhodov.


                  Are you trying to compare today's digital technology with analog from the 70s? lol

                  Getting the first pictures is a passed stage for us. And the quality was quite acceptable.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  Is it difficult with multiple cameras? Yes, even one is possible. If necessary, I can show you how.


                  Don't be ridiculous, that's what I said - the prefix "pseudo" just means that the stereo pairs were obtained by one telephotometer with an offset. Real stereo cameras were installed on Lunokhod-3, which did not fly and is now in the NPO named after Lavochkin museum:



                  Quote: Simargl
                  Don't you really understand? What did the stop in the exploration of the moon lead to?


                  It's very simple - so much material was received that it took time to digest it. And then the Union collapsed and there was no time for the moon.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  that we practically do not have a school that would continue to create technology for the study of other celestial bodies (not only the Moon, but also Mars, Venus, satellites of giant planets, asteroids).


                  Again, past and your speculation. laughing The equipment is created and passes successful tests and real space flights. Above I have already spoken about the Navigator platform. It is installed not only on the "Spectrum-RG".

                  Quote: Simargl
                  Before creating a landfill, you need to learn how to plant


                  We know how to plant, for this we have developed ground-based simulator stands on which the last Soviet lunarists trained. But for the first time, we will be planting a new digitally controlled landing platform on Luna-25, it is a synergistic fusion of the old and the new.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  But sticking a flag in the first place that comes across is not a lot (relatively) clever. Especially if you don't need feedback.


                  Sticking the flag is for the Americans. laughing And we have developed an extensive and interesting lunar program for the Lunar Test Site.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  Deliver the lunar soil and roll the Lunokhod? Wait! It already happened almost 50 years ago! Or did we decide to catch up with the Chinese?


                  Are you also a pan-headed, like one friend here, or are you pretending? These are different programs with different content.

                  Quote: Simargl
                  What's wrong then? We have no left nothingwhich provided us with a lunar program ... well, except for the Unions.


                  The Luna-25,26,27 stations fly to Soyuz-2.1b with the Fregat upper stages. The next, after 2025, on the "Angara-A5M".

                  Quote: Simargl
                  and there is no school of spacecraft creation either.


                  From here onwards, you carry complete nonsense. Go to the Lavochkin Research and Production Association website. https://www.laspace.ru/ and read.
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 29 November 2020 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: slipped
                    Name who was "enticed from the key". Or is it your idle chatter?
                    The key specialist is not necessarily Rogozin. This is a person who understands what and how it works. Usually - the head of the department, but can also be "just" an adviser. Families move. The Chinese will digest (assimilate) almost any number of people.

                    Quote: slipped
                    Small details on the surface of the Moon are perfectly visible on it (taking into account of course the Jpeg compression of this particular photo posted on the network).
                    You, as I understand it, have never done photography? So: on the picture you specified - approximately x5 interpolation. And not very high quality. There are no horizontal seams - only vertical ones. About 7-9 "photos". The resolution is less than 500 lines, actually. More vertical, sort of. This is so, at a glance. Detailing is a slag for our time (I repeat: the apparatus is very advanced for its time).

                    Quote: slipped
                    In addition, pseudostereopairs are no different from real stereopairs, since there is no movement on the Moon and give a general idea of ​​the volume of surrounding objects.
                    Are you explaining this to me? I know how to take static stereo photography.

                    Quote: slipped
                    Are you trying to compare today's digital technology with analog from the 70s?
                    As BE ... actually, I'm pointing out the obvious.

                    Quote: slipped
                    Getting the first pictures is a passed stage for us. And the quality was quite acceptable.
                    But you do not understand the obvious: the Lunokhod equipment did not give a detailed image. And I repeat: the Chinese are not pioneers - they are testing technology. It’s bad that you don’t understand.

                    Quote: slipped
                    It's very simple - so much material was received that it took time to digest it.
                    Ie what is the problem you do not understand? Are you aware that the people who build rockets, moon rovers - most likely did not touch the ground? These are different people. And if 300 g of soil can be explored for at least a century, then you will have to re-learn how to build a lunar rover as soon as the technological chains and specialists leave.

                    Quote: slipped
                    And then the Union collapsed and there was no time for the moon.
                    I'm sorry, what? In what year did lunar interests end (not only with us)?

                    Quote: slipped
                    Again, past and your speculation.
                    The owl on the globe will break. We're talking about surface devices, like? Flying is easier.

                    Quote: slipped
                    We know how to plant
                    What is the name of that craftsman! Musk started with mistakes, some people were amused. Some broke through and it was no laughing matter.

                    Quote: slipped
                    Sticking the flag is for the Americans.
                    They are just not interested.

                    Quote: slipped
                    These are different programs with different content.
                    No, I definitely do not see a fundamental difference: you can even get the devices from the museum, change the electronics and go.

                    Quote: slipped
                    they fly to Soyuz-2.1b with Fregat upper stages. The next, after 2025, on the "Angara-A5M"
                    Soyuz-2.1b - the long-suffering R-7. There is no hangar yet, because it will appear after receiving the certificate - after test runs.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 29 November 2020 22: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      This is a person who understands what and how it works.


                      Clear. The surname of the "moved" was not given. Empty chatter.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      You, as I understand it, have never done photography?


                      Wrong understand.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      So: on the picture you specified - approximately x5 interpolation. And not very high quality.


                      The photo is not original and is rude for the Internet.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      The resolution is less than 500 lines, actually. More vertical, sort of.


                      The number of shooting lines I wrote to you above is 6000x500. And since the panoramas were both horizontal and vertical, you can always fold two by two.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      Detailing is a slag for our time (I repeat: the device is very advanced for its time).


                      Enough, in order to carry out mapping, namely this was the result of filming, and not getting "beautiful photos".

                      Quote: Simargl
                      Are you explaining this to me? I know how to take static stereo photography.


                      Quote: Simargl
                      As BE ... actually, I'm pointing out the obvious.


                      Moreover, why be blunt then. laughing

                      Quote: Simargl
                      But you do not understand the obvious: the Lunokhod equipment did not give a detailed image. And I repeat: the Chinese are not pioneers - they are testing technology. It’s bad that you don’t understand.


                      Really? Technologies are also being tested here. While on a powerful bench base. We need a successful first landing on the moon.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      Ie what is the problem you do not understand? Are you aware that the people who build rockets, moon rovers - most likely did not touch the ground? These are different people.


                      Vooot. You begin to see clearly. Probably. laughing It is these people who give the assignment for lunar research. We have it IKI RAN. While the material collected in the 70s was digested there, the task was formed only in the late 80s. And now only their names remain from those tasks, for example, such a name as "Luna-Globe", although the missions themselves have changed radically.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      And if 300 g of soil can be explored for at least a century, then you will have to re-learn how to build a lunar rover as soon as the technological chains and specialists leave.


                      The Lunokhod chassis was created by VNIITransmash http://www.vniitransmash.ru/. It is a fully functioning organization today.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      I'm sorry, what? In what year did lunar interests end (not only with us)?


                      Here, in 1991. It was in the 90s that the lunar program of the USSR was to be resumed. First, two lunar vehicles were to be launched into polar orbits.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      The owl on the globe will break. We're talking about surface devices, like? Flying is easier.


                      We successfully landed on the moon in the 70s with the ancient equipment on board. Let's sit down with a new one.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      What is the name of that craftsman! Musk started with mistakes, some people were amused. Some broke through and it was no laughing matter.


                      Why are you all sticking with your mask? laughing The fact that he has misses is his problem. Don't extrapolate them to us.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      They are just not interested.
                      Really? And this new "moon race" with China? laughing

                      Quote: Simargl
                      No, I definitely do not see a fundamental difference: you can even get the devices from the museum, change the electronics and go.


                      This is because you do not know our lunar program. There is an excellent magazine "Bulletin of NPO named after Lavochkin", and is posted on the net, read and see the difference.

                      Quote: Simargl
                      Soyuz-2.1b - the long-suffering R-7.


                      It's funny when they try to stick a similar label to the most successful space rocket on the planet. laughing

                      Quote: Simargl
                      There is no hangar yet, because it will appear after receiving the certificate - after test runs.


                      So the Luna-28 and Luna-29 stations fly after 2025.
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 29 November 2020 23: 33
                        0
                        Quote: slipped
                        The surname of the "moved" was not given. Empty chatter.
                        No passport scans needed?

                        Quote: slipped
                        The photo is not original and is rude for the Internet.

                        Quote: slipped
                        The number of shooting lines I wrote to you above is 6000x500.

                        Quote: slipped
                        Wrong understand.
                        Along the way, for you taking photography is a "click-click" and quickly put it in the instu. In these "6000x500", the number of lines is 500. 500 !!! Do you understand? 500 !!! FIVE HUNDRED! 6000 dots in width is the maximum resolution when creating a PANORAMA !!! The fragment you posted is made up of 7-9 frames! Is that understandable, photography connoisseur?
                        The quality of the fragment is NOT DECREASED! This is not very high quality interpolation with a factor of x5 (approximately). No anti-aliasing. If you reduce the fragment by 5 times, the quality will not drop.

                        Quote: slipped
                        Technologies are also being tested here. While on a powerful bench base.
                        They don't write about it. Very secret. How many moons were smashed while the soil was taken?

                        Quote: slipped
                        Enough to carry out mapping
                        To use a rover for mapping is crazy nonsense! Orbital probe only!

                        Quote: slipped
                        It is these people who give the assignment for lunar research. We have it IKI RAN. While the material collected in the 70s was digested there, the task was formed only in the late 80s. And now only their names remain from those tasks, for example, such a name as "Luna-Globe", although the missions themselves have changed radically.
                        Whoa! You begin to see clearly: during a break with the performer ...
                        Quote: slipped
                        The Lunokhod chassis was created by VNIITransmash http://www.vniitransmash.ru/. It is a fully functioning organization today.
                        there will only be a conditionally valid product (morally and technically outdated) and a bunch of documentation that is of little use, since not that people left - the technological order changed twice! And so it turns out that by keeping the school, we would have received an exploration of the Moon, Mars, some large asteroid, and not plans and wishlist with a cut.

                        Quote: slipped
                        Here, in 1991.
                        Nonsense! It was all over for everyone in the 70s. Tackled Venus and Mars. Only we had it .... was. And the sworn friends developed the topic.

                        Quote: slipped
                        We successfully landed on the moon in the 70s with the ancient equipment on board. Let's sit down with a new one.
                        The question above is: how long have you successfully sat down? and how much will it take this time?

                        Quote: slipped
                        The fact that he has misses is his problem. Don't extrapolate them to us.
                        What is this nonsense? I pointed out that a technically difficult task must be solved in stages, otherwise it will be ugly. Or rather, they laughed at Musk at the beginning, but he worked out the technology, nobody laughs about planting and reuse. And we have?
                        I have pointed out more than once: he is not just practicing the landing of the stage - he is preparing this feint for Mars! With the subsequent start. Laugh further. Extrapolate to us? We do not draw correct conclusions ("Baikal" is evidence of this).

                        Quote: slipped
                        And this new "moon race" with China?
                        Quite stupid!
                        The problem is that if they run into bases there, it is quite logical to block the landing zones. The moon, of course, is large, but it can become small very quickly.

                        Quote: slipped
                        This is because you do not know our lunar program.
                        And what is being done? There is no it until there is a tiny launch. At least with a cube like LRO.

                        Quote: slipped
                        It's funny when they try to stick a similar label to the most successful space rocket on the planet.
                        Have you outdone many Ford-T models? How long did you squeeze the Ford-T? Not like Fiat 124 ...

                        Quote: slipped
                        So the Luna-28 and Luna-29 stations fly after 2025.
                        No, not so: they fly AFTER the launch vehicle receives a certificate of airworthiness.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 30 November 2020 01: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: Simargl
                        No passport scans needed?


                        What for. I personally know who went where and why. For example, Nikolai Moiseev, one of the developers of the Sokol-KV and Orlan-M spacesuits, lives in America and founded his own private company there to create spacesuits.



                        Those. the surname was enough. But you just pissed off.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        In these "6000x500", the number of lines is 500.


                        Or 500x6000, right? laughing For vertical.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        6000 dots in width is the maximum resolution when creating a PANORAMA !!!


                        Take it easy. laughing Do not be nervous. Take a deep breath. Here's a snippet of a vertical panorama:



                        Quote: Simargl
                        The fragment you posted is made up of 7-9 frames! Is that understandable, photography connoisseur?


                        Say the obvious things, you can see it there. laughing

                        Quote: Simargl
                        The quality of the fragment is NOT DECREASED!


                        I talked about Jpeg compression. There are a lot of artifacts in the presented images at magnification. In the original, there are no watermarks or artifacts in the pictures and the details are worked out deeper. Scan lines, by the way, are visible at magnification.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        They don't write about it. Very secret. How many moons were smashed while the soil was taken?


                        Who told you that? belay I'm talking about "secrecy". Well, I'll tell you about the latest lunar lander:

                        - The 201st did not enter orbit due to the destruction of the head fairing of the Proton-K launch vehicle;
                        - The 402nd did not go into orbit due to the failure of the upper stage "D";
                        - 401st hit the mascon and hit the mountain (Luna-15), the first one that crashed on the Moon;
                        - The 403nd did not go into orbit due to the failure of the upper stage "D";
                        - 404th did not enter the flight path to the Moon due to the failure of the upper stage "D";
                        - The 405nd did not go into orbit due to the failure of the upper stage "D";
                        - 406th sat down in the Sea of ​​Abundance (Luna-16), the first delivery of lunar soil to Earth;
                        - 203rd sat down in the Sea of ​​Rains (Luna-17), successful delivery of Lunokhod-1;
                        - 407th sat in the Sea of ​​Abundance, (Luna-18), with an off-design descent roll, the second station crashed on the Moon;
                        - 408th sat in the Sea of ​​Abundance (Luna-20), the second delivery of lunar soil to Earth;
                        - 204th sat down in the Sea of ​​Clarity (Luna-21), successful delivery of Lunokhod-2;
                        - the 410th village in the Sea of ​​Plenty (Luna-23), at the time of landing, the apparatus overturned towards the soil intake device, although the station remained operational, the target task was not completed;
                        - The 412nd did not go into orbit due to the failure of the upper stage "D";
                        - 413th sat in the Sea of ​​Abundance (Luna-24), the third delivery of lunar soil to Earth.

                        Those. basically, the devices were lost due to the imperfection of the then rocket and space technology, and not because of the inability to plant. By the way, Phobos-Grunt's control system of the integrated upper stage failed. That concept has since been revised in favor of a regular and reliable RB "Fregat".

                        Quote: Simargl
                        To use a rover for mapping is crazy nonsense! Orbital probe only!


                        Well, there were two orbital probes - "Luna-19" and "Luna-22". And Lunokhodov initially had the task of mapping the landing site of the LK.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        You begin to see clearly: during a break with the performer ...


                        Some kind of crap. The objectives have changed as the concept has changed.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        and not plans and Wishlist with a cut.


                        Ale, garage - our stations fly in 2021 and 2022 to the Moon and Mars. laughing

                        Quote: Simargl
                        Nonsense! It was all over for everyone in the 70s. Tackled Venus and Mars. Only we had it .... was. And the sworn friends developed the topic.


                        The reasons why we ended up in the 70s, I named - a lot of data. It's like now we have received so much from Radioastron that we have to rake and make discoveries for another five years.

                        Should have resumed in the 90s. The programs for Mars (Phobos) and Venus (VeHa) of the 80s did not interfere with this at that moment. Sworn friends developed the topic until everything stopped here from lack of money.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        The question above is: how long have you successfully sat down? and how much will it take this time?


                        The list is above, now let's sit down from the first.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        What is this nonsense? I pointed out that a technically difficult task must be solved in stages, otherwise it will be ugly.


                        So we decide in stages. Luna-25 is the first stage.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        Quite stupid! The problem is that if they run into bases there, it is quite logical to block the landing zones. The moon, of course, is large, but it can become small very quickly.


                        The border guards will be set up, it's clear. lol

                        Quote: Simargl
                        And what is being done? There is no it until there is a tiny launch. At least with a cube like LRO.


                        The launch time of the Luna-25 station has been announced. It's October next year. Perhaps it will fly with orbital cubes together.

                        Quote: Simargl
                        Have you outdone many Ford-T models? How long did you squeeze the Ford-T? Not like Fiat 124 ...


                        Your analogies and do not understand. What have cars got to do with it?

                        Quote: Simargl
                        No, not so: they fly AFTER the launch vehicle receives a certificate of airworthiness.


                        So she will receive it after six launches, and this is until 2023, and from 2023, the mass production of this rocket in Omsk.
                      3. Simargl
                        Simargl 1 December 2020 20: 26
                        +1

                        Quote: slipped
                        Those. the surname was enough. But you just pissed off.
                        UzBaGoidez! Probalabolil and okay: but the fact that officially and unofficially they can only carry key technologies from us does not cancel ... as well as people. Or else where?
                        No, well, now we have already gained knowledge, but in "those" times it was a sin not to use it.
                        The Chinese space program is more closed than our defense industry, if anything.

                        Quote: slipped
                        Or 500x6000, right? For vertical.
                        This does not negate the fact that the matrix is ​​500x600 or so. To create normal images ... what can you see with that matrix?

                        Quote: slipped
                        I talked about Jpeg compression.
                        AND? How does it interfere with the B / W picture? Moreover, I repeat: it is approximately 5 times interpolated and slightly smoothed. This means that the real one pixel now (after interpolation) has 25!!!

                        Quote: slipped
                        Scan lines, by the way, are visible at magnification.
                        What?
                        Quote: slipped
                        Who told you that? I'm talking about "secrecy". Well, I'll tell you about the latest lunar lander
                        Why is it so modest?
                        Luna 1 missed the moon
                        Luna 2 is broken on purpose
                        Luna 4 missed the moon
                        Luna 5 did not set softly
                        Luna 6 gently missed
                        Luna 7 did not set softly
                        Luna 8 did not set softly
                        Luna 9: Hurray! Happened!
                        Luna 13: It worked! Not like Apollo. Yes, and you disdained to mention that the device was digging into the ground.
                        So how many were smashed?
                        Quote: slipped
                        Those. basically, the devices were lost due to the imperfection of the then rocket and space technology, and not because of the inability to plant.
                        Imperfection of technology ... surely not a complex of reasons?

                        Quote: slipped
                        Well, there were two orbital probes - "Luna-19" and "Luna-22"
                        Excellent! They coped with the task!
                        Quote: slipped
                        And Lunokhodov initially had the task of mapping the landing site of the LK.
                        Yes?! But as? And how many? Piglet 20 kilometers radius? This is funny!
                        The tasks were very different!

                        Quote: slipped
                        Ale, garage - our stations fly in 2021 and 2022 to the Moon and Mars.
                        You will not believe! Hopefully it won't be postponed by 5-10 years.
                        Here's the thing: we haven't flown to the moon for more than 40 years, but to Mars ... Is Phobos soil counting?

                        Quote: slipped
                        now we'll sit down from the first
                        I would like to, but practice shows that you need ... practice.

                        Quote: slipped
                        The border guards will be set up, it's clear
                        Don't mess with it! A KK accident when landing in the station area and on it (a KK accident) can be written off a bunch of jambs. Worse - if warned, and someone poked. Border guards are not needed.

                        Quote: slipped
                        The launch time of the Luna-25 station has been announced.
                        Aha! The Eagle Federation has been flying for several years.
                        I believe!

                        Quote: slipped
                        So she will receive it after six launches and this is until 2023.
                        Truth? What have you been waiting for for 6 years? More precisely, how many "breakfasts" and me and Angara were fed?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 25 November 2020 16: 54
    0
    Now let the Chinese be fooled!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 17: 03
    -5
    Further, in the program of the lunar mission, Russia plans to send the Luna-2024 orbital station to the Moon in 26, and the Luna-2025 landing station in 27. The creation of these stations is included in the current Federal Space Program until 2025.

    Who is this information from? As soon as the Americans start jumping into space from a trampoline, I will immediately believe ... As for space programs in the presence of "effective" managers:
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 25 November 2020 17: 13
      -7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Who is this information from?

      2018 year.
      On Cosmonautics Day, the President arrived at the reconstructed Cosmos pavilion at VDNKh, where the unique Cosmonautics and Aviation Center was created. The head of state met with famous cosmonauts and confirmed that they are not going to wind down the program of flights to the moon. And in the future - Mars, and political problems will not interfere.
      Putin confirmed plans to implement the Lunar program. "Are we going to the moon?" - asked the astronauts. "Yes," the head of state nodded. "The program is designed until 2030. Work on the creation of the Federation spacecraft is already ending and work has begun on a super-heavy rocket, which should be used to work on the Moon." “So there is no doubt about it: we will work actively, we will implement this program,” he assured.
      "First, a station in lunar orbit, and then - modules on the moon itself... In any case, this is planned, - said Putin. "I hope it will be so."

      The President asked the cosmonauts if they want to go to the moon. "Very!" - assured him. There and not far to Mars, he smiled and remembered that "somewhere here earlier apple trees were prepared for planting on Mars, the seedlings were sold."
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 18: 10
        -1
        Quote: RUSS
        Putin confirmed plans to implement the Lunar Program.

        You just do not tell me about Putin and his confirmation until I began to list everything that this figure said during his tenure as president.
        Today I watched the movie "It was in Penkovo". I remembered a lot about my past life. but there was a moment when the agronomist Glechikova told: "Once V. I. Lenin dreamed of 100 tractors, and today hundreds of thousands of tractors are working in the fields of the country ..."
        Once Stalin created a space power. Once Korolev worked on the design of spacecraft and stations. Once in the constitution of the USSR it was stated:

        What can today's authorities boast about? What is “eating up” the reserves and developments of the former USSR?
        I will not trust people who lie and deceive their people. They lie blatantly and cynically, so much so that recently they stopped promising anything positive.
  • Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 25 November 2020 17: 24
    +2
    On October 1, 2021, Roscosmos has planned the launch of the Luna-25 automatic interplanetary station. Two points were selected for landing in the region of the South Pole. The point to the north of the crater Boguslavsky was named as the main one, and as a reserve one - to the southwest of the crater Manzini. smile
    In 2016 I attended one event. At the end of one of the reports, I asked a question to an employee of the NGO. Lavochkin, when will Luna-25 fly? He joked, probably at 25. Academician Zeleny spoke later. I asked him the same question after quoting the words about the Moon-25 in 25. He replied, "Why, you, who scared you so, will fly next year."
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 18: 18
      -3
      Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
      "Come on, whoever scared you so, will fly next year."

      I just wanted to ask (just do not be offended, by analogy with the film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears"): "Are you, by any chance, the nephew of Professor Tikhomirov?"
      Excuse me, here is the site of promises from Roscosmos ... Could it be the intrigues of enemies? belay
      http://www.obeschania.ru/organizations/roskosmos?page=2
    2. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 44
      +1
      Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
      He replied, "Why, you, who scared you so, will fly next year."




      Here is Luna-25 next year, at the end of the first and the beginning of the second quarter, electrovacuum tests. Now the ground products are being tested.

      An absolutely new unpressurized platform, unlike the Soviet stations. The device will be ready in the summer of 2021.
  • wow
    wow 25 November 2020 17: 39
    -2
    As already zadolbali these "forecasters" amerskie, small British, Polish and further downward ...!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 25 November 2020 17: 52
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    What is interesting in the Russian media about this is almost nothing

    It’s not tight and not patriotic! lol hi
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 November 2020 17: 56
    +4
    Yah?))

    The Yankees can barely take off on LEO, but they talk about the technical lag of Russia))
    There is nothing new in the news, in fact Cold War 2.0, all the same mossy statements.
    1. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 47
      -1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Yah?))

      The Yankees can barely take off on LEO, but they talk about the technical lag of Russia))
      There is nothing new in the news, in fact Cold War 2.0, all the same mossy statements.


      They now use the Russian toilet again on the ISS RS. https://ria.ru/20201125/kosmos-1586253028.html
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 26 November 2020 02: 31
        +1
        Quote: slipped
        They now use the Russian toilet again on the ISS RS.

        Not Russian, but Soviet. This module was developed for the Mir station, so nothing has changed since then.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 04: 07
          +1
          Quote: rzzz
          Not Russian, but Soviet. This module was developed for the Mir station, so nothing has changed since then.


          Has changed. And the toilet is still Russian. laughing And the fact that for the SM in the 90s they used the body of the backup BB OPS "Mir" - so do not waste the good. By that time he had been lying derelict for more than a decade.
  • grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 25 November 2020 17: 57
    0
    Again about the "race". The gold rush has been rounded out for more than 100 years now, but itching in the heels about "running first, stake out the site" remains. There would be something else to chase on an empty moon.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2020 20: 24
      +1
      There are many rare earth metals on the moon in the form of fragments of iron meteorites that have bombarded our satellite for billions of years, and, unlike the earth, all this is on the surface - so there is a reason to chase who first starts and becomes a trillionaire.
      1. deniso
        deniso 25 November 2020 20: 48
        -2
        Yes, no one there, not when will not start to extract anything, because it will be expensive and not profitable.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 26 November 2020 19: 01
          0
          Quote: denis obuckov
          because it will be expensive and not profitable.
          There will be a margin - the whole moon will be removed. True, now the asteroid was found with an estimated value of 30-year GDP of the globe ... I think the owners of the money are in confusion.
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 27 November 2020 12: 41
        -1
        not entirely true .. no matter who starts first .. no matter who thoroughly comes in, the cost is high, so you need to spend money wisely
  • primaala
    primaala 25 November 2020 18: 30
    -2
    In the United States announced the lag of Russia in the "moon race"
    ================
    The US itself was on the moon !? )))
    What audience is such stuffing intended for !? Is the world really crazy !?
  • deniso
    deniso 25 November 2020 19: 25
    -6
    What's the race? Manned flights to the Moon are basically impossible! First you need to fly through the van Allen belt with severe radiation. And then even worse - no protection from cosmic radiation at all. Any flash on the sun, and the astronauts turn into Litvinenko laughing

    "Equivalent protection against radiation in space would require a layer of water about 10 m thick or a lead shield about 1 m thick."

    Do we have rockets capable of carrying 1m of lead around the space with the astronauts? No! Will there be? Hardly! Well, why then all this verbal diarrhea?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2020 20: 26
      +2
      You are talking shit about lead radiation and stuff.
      1. deniso
        deniso 25 November 2020 20: 44
        -3
        Read about the Van Allen belt on the Internet if you don't understand, everything is detailed there.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 26 November 2020 19: 08
          0
          Quote: denis obuckov
          Read about Van Allen's belt on the internet
          It reads:
          Quote: Brechopedia
          For the first time, humans crossed the radiation belts during the Apollo missions. This was one of several radiation hazards known at the time of flight preparation [6]. Astronauts received small radiation doses in radiation belts due to the short time of flight through them. The Apollo flight trajectories lay outside the most intense radiation area
    2. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 25 November 2020 22: 03
      -1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      What's the race? Manned flights to the Moon are basically impossible! First you need to fly through the van Allen belt with severe radiation. And then even worse - no protection from cosmic radiation at all. Any flash on the sun, and the astronauts turn into Litvinenko

      "Equivalent protection against radiation in space would require a layer of water about 10 m thick or a lead shield about 1 m thick."

      Do we have rockets capable of carrying 1m of lead around the space with the astronauts? No! Will there be? Hardly! Well, why then all this verbal diarrhea?

      Tell me, is the earth flat, too? Just so that doubts don't torment me anymore, otherwise I'm too lazy to watch videos.
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  • iouris
    iouris 25 November 2020 21: 23
    0
    Right now, the space chief will sue and protect his business reputation.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 25 November 2020 21: 58
    -1
    Hi Jonathan McDowell, we don't give a damn about your opinion, goodbye.
  • Dimonst
    Dimonst 25 November 2020 22: 05
    +1
    You are all writing some nonsense here and the article is also the same laughing Judging by the well-known sensational video about Russian Mars Colonization Programm, everyone is madly behind us bully
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 25 November 2020 23: 31
    -4
    the Russian lunar station "Luna-25" planned for launch is already outdated
    And where is the vaunted Saturn? It is clear in the museum. laughing Was there a boy?
    1. slipped
      slipped 25 November 2020 23: 55
      +3
      Quote: orionvitt
      the Russian lunar station "Luna-25" planned for launch is already outdated
      And where is the vaunted Saturn? It is clear in the museum. laughing Was there a boy?


      Was. Today I liked the photos of Sergei Kud-Sverchkov from the last release:



      1. Dimonst
        Dimonst 26 November 2020 00: 52
        0
        Unbelievably beautiful good Especially since I was used to looking at a photo of the Earth with the dedication of Neil Armstrong since childhood.
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 November 2020 01: 00
          +2
          Quote: DimonSt
          Unbelievably beautiful good


          here also another



  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 26 November 2020 05: 49
    -2
    ))) Well, the United States was not there)) Baltuns! .. arrived! got some cabbage soup ... and came back!
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 26 November 2020 11: 24
    0
    Further in the program of the lunar mission, Russia plans to send the orbital station "Luna-2024" to the Moon in 26, and the landing station "Luna-2025" in 27


    So they got the Kremlin guys into a new arms race
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 26 November 2020 13: 45
    -3
    What is the moon race ??? The Americans are not pulling the arms race. In the US, this year alone, the national debt jumped slightly to 30 greens !!! But there are also debts of corporations and households, they are much higher!
    Are the stubborn mask fans so sure that Musk's private office is separated from the state and has its own printing press for greenery and a wonderful 3D printer for super-duper dragons that will take them to heaven ... and the great Musk will perform the miracle of transforming colored paper to lunar and Martian stations?
    Horses get shot in a race, don't they?
  • shadow
    shadow 26 November 2020 14: 28
    0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHIVec-rLyE
  • zwlad
    zwlad 26 November 2020 15: 11
    +1
    announced that Russia was lagging behind the United States and China in the "moon race".

    Where should we hurry?
    We were the first on the moon.
    "For the first time the Soviet interplanetary station" Luna-2 "reached the Moon on September 13, 1959.
    For the first time it was possible to look at the far side of the Moon in 1959, when the Soviet station Luna-3 flew over it and photographed the part of its surface invisible from Earth. "
    And there is no economic feasibility in manned flights to the Moon and there will not be for another 200 years.
    Well, they want the United States or China to amuse their ChSV, well, the flag is in their hands.
    Che chase them. We have enough things to do on Earth.