"This is either a secret operation, or we were deceived" - Turkish users complain about the lack of data on the deployment of troops to Karabakh

Turkish media are actively covering the entry of the Azerbaijani army into the Kelbajar region. The press service of the Turkish Defense Ministry, on behalf of the entire department, congratulated the Azerbaijani military on this event, making a post as follows:

Kelbajar meets its real owners 27 years later. After many years the adhan will sound in Kelbajar.

Adhan in Islam is called a call to prayer.

The Turkish press noted that the Azerbaijani authorities have already ordered to begin the formation of temporary administrations in the territories that came under the control of Baku on the basis of the agreements of November 10.

However, Turkey draws attention to the fact that the command of the country's armed forces and representatives of the highest political authorities do not hear the specifics associated with the previously announced introduction of the Turkish military into Nagorno-Karabakh. A few days ago, it was reported that Turkish peacekeepers cannot enter Azerbaijan to create a joint monitoring center with Russia until the Azerbaijani-Armenian border passes under the control of Azerbaijani security officials. Today, this control is restored along the entire border (with the exception of the Lachin corridor, which is spelled out in the agreement), however, as Turkish users complain, there is no news of the promotion of Turkish military to Karabakh.

It is indicated that about a week ago, statements were made about the entry of the Turkish contingent on November 26. From comments on publications in the Turkish press, where users complain about the lack of data:

Until November 26, less than a day, but nothing has been heard about the advancement of our military. For some reason they no longer talk about this. Is it a secret operation or we were deceived

At the moment, the Turkish Defense Ministry does not make any statements about when the Turkish contingent will be sent to Karabakh.

Comments

[tihonmarine]

Until November 26, less than a day, but nothing has been heard about the advancement of our military. For some reason, they no longer talk about this.

It is very interesting why the Turkish inhabitants are so worried about the entry of Turkish troops into Karabakh?

[Thrall]

Let them wait for the next press conference of the Russian General Staff. There they will arrange everything on the shelves.

[Tatyana]

Let no one in Turkey worry about the presence of their troops in Azerbaijan.
Erdogan unambiguously outplayed Aoiev.
Aliyev cannot prevent the occupation of Azerbaijan by Turkey.
Turks will be registered in Azerbaijan for many years, if not completely. Moreover, it is in Nagorno-Karabakh.
We are already talking about organizing bases for Erdogan's Syrian Turkomans-jihadists in Nagorno-Karabakh, liberated from Armenians.

[soul]

Quote: Tatiana

We are already talking about organizing bases for Erdogan's Syrian Turkomans-jihadists in Nagorno-Karabakh liberated from Armenians

Here Erdogan of course takes wishful thinking. It is unlikely that our side will agree to this.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alma

Here Erdogan of course takes wishful thinking. It is unlikely that our side will agree to this.

Putin has already recognized that Azerbaijan is a sovereign country from Russia and therefore Azerbaijan (i.e. Aliyev) can make any geopolitical and regional political decisions sovereign from Russia.

[soul]

So yes, but there is a political bargaining. If the Kremlin accepts this, it will certainly demand something in return.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alma

So yes, but there is a political bargaining. If the Kremlin accepts this, it will certainly demand something in return.

All Russia can do is to close the free border with Azerbaijan not because of the coronavirus, but for political reasons of the Russian national security from the penetration of Turkish jihadists into Russia, and introduce a visa regime with Azerbaijan.
But in political terms, this COOLING of relations between the Russian Federation and AzerR will also only work into the hands of Erdogan.

[alexmach]

It seems to me you are in vain forcing. Why does Azerbaijan need Turkish troops on its territory, especially jihadist bases? Does he need them? And if they are not needed, they have every opportunity to make sure that they are not there, and there is someone to support them in this. The only question is how Aliyev and Erdogan will not fall out. Accordingly, they will be forced to do something that Erdogan could pass off as fulfilling his high-profile promises, but at the same time not letting serious contingents into their territory. We are waiting until tomorrow and see what will happen. That's all.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

I think you are in vain forcing.
The only question is how Aliyev and Erdogan will not fall out. Accordingly, they will be forced to do something that Erdogan could pass off as fulfilling his high-profile promises, but at the same time not letting serious contingents into their territory.

There is nothing to whip up!

The expansive strategic interests of Erdogan and Turkey were clear from the outset. Moreover, Erdogan and Co. have voiced them more than once.
The only question is in TACTICS and METHODS of achieving their strategic goals.
Unfortunately, few people wanted and wants to believe in this in Azerbaijan itself.
Some Azerbaijanis naively think that someone from Turkey is fighting for them just like that. Their insight will be Pyrrhic. Everything has its time, if they don't change their minds.

Turkey has begun registration of the families of Syrian militants wishing to move to Karabakh.

SAHR confirmed the information about Ankara's plans to populate the occupied NKR regions with Syrian militants. The new potential settlers are representatives of the Turkmen people. Rather, these are families with Turkmen roots living in Syria. In most cases, the heads of the families of the displaced persons are mercenaries and terrorists who were noted during the war in Artsakh. The main task of Turkey in this regard is to completely change the ethnic picture of the region and populate it with potential terrorists who are ready to take up arms at any moment, the official channel of Infoteka24 writes.

This information is also confirmed by military commander Semyon Pegov, who was in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh throughout the entire period of hostilities.

For details see - https://yandex.ru/turbo/news-r.ru/s/news/politics/493602/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

[alexmach]

The expansive strategic interests of Erdogan and Turkey were clear from the outset. Moreover, Erdogan and Co. have voiced them more than once.

It's clear. The question is, does Azerbaijan want to be the object of this expansion? What is on our calendar today? 26? today or tomorrow it looks like we'll find out.

Unfortunately, few people wanted and wants to believe in this in Azerbaijan itself.
Some Azerbaijanis naively think that someone from Turkey is fighting for them just like that.

Come on. Are they small children or what? No, I understand that ordinary Azerbaijanis can think whatever they want, but their elites, led by the Aliyev couple, must understand what Turkish expansion means, both specifically for them and for the country as a whole. It is somewhere here that the ideology of "independence" should begin to play.

SAHR confirmed information about Ankara's plans to populate occupied NKR regions with Syrian militants

Again, what does Azerbaijan think about this? Does he need this?

This information is confirmed by the military commander Semyon Pegov

In my opinion, this clown is ridiculously simple to refer to.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

It seems to me you are in vain forcing. Why does Azerbaijan need Turkish troops on its territory, especially jihadist bases? Does he need them? And if they are not needed, they have every opportunity to make it so that they would not be there, and there is someone to support them in this. The only question is how Aliyev and Erdogan will not quarrel.

In any case, they will not quarrel for a long time. Namely.

After the event in the NKR, Turkey has firmly established itself in Azerbaijan. And it is unlikely that Erdogan will now let go of his ally. Obviously the sun Turkey can now attend in the region for many years within the framework of the BILATERAL cooperation agreement.
Allied relations of Turkey with Azerbaijan or peacekeeping mission of Turkey, as they call it, became a convenient excuse for increasing Turkey's activity in Azerbaijan itself.
А considering Ankara's "Napoleonic" plans to build a "Turkic world", in future projection of Turkish interests and power is not excluded outside Azerbaijan - to the Caspian region and to the countries of Central Asia.
Assistance to Baku in this matter - with an eye to the future - can become payment for Turkish assistance in the Karabakh armed conflict. This is what the experts say, and so do I.

Moreover. Although such a "PEACEFUL" presence of the Turkish Armed Forces in Azerbaijan does not actually violate the norms of international law, but given the capacity in which the armed forces were present in the armed conflict in the NKR, it goes without saying that one cannot count on Turkey's peacekeeping tasks.
And in a situation where the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh remains unrecognized, Baku and Ankara may have an illusion of permissiveness in relation to the Armenian population of Artsakh.

TOTAL. Therefore, the presence of the Turkish Armed Forces in Azerbaijan will not bring true peace and tranquility.
So experts say.

For details see - https://yandex.ru/turbo/news-r.ru/s/news/politics/493522/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

[alexmach]

Obviously, the Turkish Armed Forces can now be present in the region for many years under a BILATERAL cooperation agreement.

Returning to the question - why does Azerbaijan need it now?

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

But why does Azerbaijan now actually need it?

In order not to quarrel between Aliyev and Erdogan as the sponsor of Azerbaijan from Turkey. in the war with the Armenians and the Turkish buyer of Azerbaijani oil.

[alexmach]

Sponsor? In my opinion it is said very loudly. Azerbaijani oil has enough buyers without the Turks. Something that would not quarrel, he will have to do, but obviously not to surrender to the Turks entirely. I have already written more than once - the deployment of the Turkish contingent will now first of all be opposed by Aliyev himself, which he most likely will not say openly, he will greet the peacekeepers in words and somehow switch the arrows to Russia. And Russia will also tacitly support him in this "Like your sovereign right, your business, but there is no need for the Turks in Karabakh, and we will not let the contingent through Armenia." And he will even resist the peacekeepers from the regular Turkish army, what to say about some settlements of Turkomans.

[Tatyana]

Quote: alexmach

Sponsor? In my opinion it is said very loudly.

No, not loud! Turkey's military contribution to Azerbaijan's victory over the NKR is enormous!

[alexmach]

Turkey's military contribution to Azerbaijan's victory over the NKR is enormous!

Where does this data come from? Objective data, except for the presence of a link of fighters, which are not clear whether they took part in the conflict at all and not. There are also stories about Syrian militants, whom it is not clear how much they played any role in the conflict.

[Tatyana]

The headquarters of Azerbaijan was headed by Turkish generals with combat experience - they also planned the entire course of the war - the strategy and tactics of victory. Everywhere on the ground, Turkish officers took part in the battles. Turkey provided Azerbaijan with the missing weapons, apparently, on lease.
The initiative to start the war also came from Erdogan. And Erdogan is not going to lose this initiative. Erdogan's sultan ambitions for the formation of Great Turan go beyond the borders of Azerbaijan. Erdogan will not calm down in this regard .. Aliyev and his Azerbaijan are not enough for Erdogan.

[alexmach]

The headquarters of Azerbaijan was headed by Turkish generals with combat experience - they also planned the entire course of the war - the strategy and tactics of victory. Turkish officers took part in battles everywhere.

Where are these data from? Who really knows what is happening there in the headquarters from Azerbaijan?

Turkey provided the missing weapons to Azerbaijan, apparently, on lease.

What specific weapon was lacking in Azerbaijan, already armed to the teeth? Does anyone in the modern world supply weapons for rent?

The initiative to start the war also came from Erdogan

Controversial. Aliyev himself has been continuously declaring this possibility since 2016. And there was even an opinion that this was all a cunning plan of Putin.

Erdogan's Sultan's ambitions for the formation of Great Turan go beyond Azerbaijan

Ambition is ambition, but what will happen with their implementation. Turkey has both problems and serious rivals in the region.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Tatiana

Azerbaijani headquarters was headed by Turkish generals with combat experience

and what kind of combat experience do they have? what high-profile offensive operations behind them will not share?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

and what kind of combat experience do they have? what high-profile offensive operations behind them will not share?

that actually, and none. The last b-m serious war of Turkey is already the First World War more than a hundred years ago. Then the Cypriot massacre when Turkish planes sank the Turkish destroyer. Nice work! Then a series of "air battles" with the Greeks with a final score of 3: 3 in the 90s. And then the mutiny of 16th year with the purge of the military elite and the flight personnel of the Turkish Air Force, where a third of the pilots remained. Then the battles with the Syrians in Idlibi and Libya, where the main striking forces were proxies, however, the Turks also shook off, for example

Idlib.
By the way, in the war of 2020, the supply of UAVs and tactical missiles by Israel played a significantly more serious role (Spike and partly Laura as a deterrent). The Turks often do not have such weapons.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Tatiana

We are already talking about organizing bases for Erdogan's Syrian Turkomans-jihadists in Nagorno-Karabakh, liberated from Armenians.

Where does this information come from?

[DAQ]

It is very interesting why the Turkish inhabitants are so worried about the entry of Turkish troops into Karabakh?

On an everyday (and not only) level, they have a strong dislike for Armenians. They want to squeeze wherever they can.
This is a complex from the time of 1915.
Only in contrast to the German complex towards Jews (never blame for the Palestinians, economic, political assistance, etc.), here it is the opposite of the mirror.

[credo]

Quote: tihonmarine

Until November 26, less than a day, but nothing has been heard about the advancement of our military. For some reason, they no longer talk about this.

It is very interesting why the Turkish inhabitants are so worried about the entry of Turkish troops into Karabakh?

This is of interest not only to the Turkish inhabitants, but first of all the top leadership of Turkey, because against the background of sluggish events in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Northern Cyprus and the Mediterranean, where Turkey and its troops are crumpled from foot to foot, at least some success is needed and reports of victory, therefore all the eyes of the Turks are directed to Karabakh.
Can you imagine what will happen if Turkey gets a complete bummer in Karabakh? In this case, many rough questions may arise in Turkey itself to Erdagan. So they are waiting for the victorious march of the Turkish troops in Karabakh as a holiday.

[Paul]

It is important for the average person to see firsthand the "triumph" of Turkish politics. It is critically important for people who associate themselves with Turkey to feel the country's success. Like the Russians, the Turks have a "historical wound" from the loss of the empire and any step to restore previously (in their opinion) trampled rights is considered a sign of the revival of their Motherland, which they love and care for no less than we do. Actually, this is the interest of ordinary people, with the exception of those who place bets on the sweepstakes on the subject of the likelihood of certain geopolitical events.

[Thrifty]

Yeah, and then you need to enter the Kurdish military continent into Turkey! To Erdogad "have fun" until the end of his days!

[APASUS]

When several districts of Karabakh are transferred under Azerbaijani jurisdiction, why do we need military men from Turkey? The guys started playing the war and won't let go

[tihonmarine]

Quote: APASUS

The guys started playing the war and won't let go

The Sultan has a geopolitical interest.

[iouris]

Why do Turkish citizens need Turkish troops to be stationed in Karabakh? Jerusalem is near.

[Slava slava]

they don't even need to run. they have been in Azerbaijan since August. remained after joint exercises. Now they are simply legalized.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Slava Slava

they don't even need to run. they have been in Azerbaijan since August. remained after joint exercises. Now they are simply legalized.

That's right!
At the same time, Turkey needs to add more of its own Turkish rank-and-file personnel in Azerbaijan, replacing - squeezing out - on the ground Azeri servicemen. And first of all, legalize the presence of our Syrian jihadist Turkomans there.

[rotmistr60]

After many years the adhan will sound in Kelbajar

It is now clear why the Turkish media are so alarmed by the lack of information about the entry of their contingent into Azerbaijani territory. Apparently, they already consider Azerbaijan their territory, modestly hiding behind the slogan: "One people - two countries", in fact, implying another - "One country - two peoples", and a piece of Karabakh as a bonus to this.

[Whirlwind]

Putin really said that Azerbaijan is a sovereign ... country and its leadership can invite Turkish troops. It is quite possible that Aliyev's euphoria has passed and he already understands that his army is under Turkish generals, this is not his army. Military coups in different countries often occur and Aliyev can be thrown from his chair, if he did what was wrong ... It is quite possible that Putin and our intelligence explained all this and much more to Aliyev, as they did to Erdogan, and he hit the brakes.

[north 2]

Right now, Russia can explain to Aliyev that if Azerbaijan very harshly suppresses any actions that insult and humiliate the Armenian population in Azerbaijan's conquered lands in NK, then Azerbaijan can become the most stable and secure country from the borders of Eastern Europe to the borders of Western Asia for a long time. Russia of the Vedas agrees that NK is the territory of Azerbaijan. And in order for this to happen, it is necessary that Azerbaijan would transfer the remaining territory of NK to Russia for its huge military base. No one will talk to Armenia about the status of NK and the use of these territories. Putin clearly told the Armenians that
even you do not recognize NK as Armenia, hinting that you do not recognize Crimea as Russian either. And somehow
Russia would be completely useless if just now Armenia would take and recognize Crimea as Russian territories. As they say, we can do without snotty ...
So, to prevent Azerbaijan and also Aliyev, according to Putin's plans, in exchange for a huge
the base of the Russian army in the unoccupied territories of NK that remained by Azerbaijanis, turn Azerbaijan into an oasis of stability and prosperity in the Transcaucasus, this will be hindered and hindered
Turkey and itself ... Armenia. So if Azerbaijan really does not allow the Turkish military
in the Azerbaijani NK and the Russian military base in NK will grow and expand across the territory, then expect provocations from Turkey and from, oddly enough, from Armenia ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Turks go on a sex journey on foot, because they are not a belligerent and not a word about them in the peace treaty.

[Antokha]

After many years the adhan will sound in Kelbajar

For Muslims, this is a war of Muslims against Christians. We, as Christians, need to understand this.

[AGGURD]

you probably are not chrestin, so you won’t worry about anything .... but we are Muslims with chrestians ourselves somehow .... adhan is a call to prayer at a certain time appointed for all who believe in the Almighty ... and not to war ... well, those who pray when they need it are neither Muslims nor chrestians, they are egoists, hypocrites and cynical people ...

[Antokha]

The answer is to a person who scored almost -25 rating in 5000 days on the forum.
I'm a Christian. Accordingly, the Most High is Christ God. I have something to worry about both personally and for the Christian Armenians. Islamic adhan is carried from minarets throughout the district, effectively imposing Islam on everyone around, 5 times a day. A country in which this happens freely is called a Muslim country. This is often reflected in the name of the country. There is no place for Christians there, and this is the joy that I quoted. Your desire to "deal" with Christians is cause for concern. Your proceedings are always the same. It really cannot be called a war. War is fair confrontation. Massacre is the word that comes to mind.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Anton

The Islamic adhan is carried from minarets throughout the district, effectively imposing Islam on everyone around, 5 times a day.

Isn't the ringing bell ringing the same thing? But honestly?

[Antokha]

Isn't the ringing bell ringing the same thing? But honestly?

No, it's not.
The bell ringing even for the Liturgy on Sunday is not in every church, unlike mosques (I've been in the outback of Algeria and Palestine, listened)
In modern Russia, it is not made specifically for maximum coverage of the territory. You can hardly hear it around the corner.
The imposition of Christianity in general, and Orthodoxy in particular, does not happen for reasons of principle - a voluntary desire is needed. This is the only thing that a person can give to God, because absolutely everything else is given to man by God. This is not the case in Islam. There, if you please, obey, or the consequences will be here and now. Therefore, we see the solidarity of Muslims, and these are the comments from those who should be Orthodox Christians by birth.

[sav]

There can be a huge chasm between statements and action.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Tatiana

Erdogan unambiguously outplayed Aoiev.

It seems to me just the opposite.

[AGGURD]

Quote: Anton

The answer is to a person who scored almost -25 rating in 5000 days on the forum.
I'm a Christian. Accordingly, the Most High is Christ God. I have something to worry about both personally and for the Christian Armenians. Islamic adhan is carried from minarets throughout the district, effectively imposing Islam on everyone around, 5 times a day. A country in which this happens freely is called a Muslim country. This is often reflected in the name of the country. There is no place for Christians there, and this is the joy that I quoted. Your desire to "deal" with Christians is cause for concern. Your proceedings are always the same. It really cannot be called a war. War is fair confrontation. Massacre is the word that comes to mind.

In the first place, I do not care about the ratings, the more that they are put either by Armenians or pro-Armenian commentators ... if the adhan is an imposition, then the ringing of bells is also imposed? May the grandmother of the Don Cossack and all her life prayed to the khastyak during the adhan, unfortunately, she lived cm years after sovereignty and adhaan became known to us only then ... secondly, and you are better off talking about it, you better call to us, I invite you to be my guest, you can with your family .. for one thing, I will give you pleasure to meet and arrange an excursion around in all religious organizations (Jews, Buddhist peasants and even Khrtian sects (which are not even in peasant countries or are prohibited), you better ask them, they will not lie to you, but you will see with your own eyes ... and most importantly, walking down the street you will experience respect you are here or they want to deal with you, even if a huge cross on your chest will be funny ...
thirdly, about the massacre, as I understand it, you have our war with the Armenians where we both the population and the economy and the army at times bring the Armenians (not honest opposition you mean) ...?