"There was no expulsion from the Russian water area": ​​the US commented on the incident with the destroyer

The American destroyer USS John S. McCain allegedly could not be expelled from the waters of the Russian Federation, since she did not go there, but was in international waters all the time. The US Navy ship was stationed in Peter the Great Bay in the Sea of ​​Japan, conducting "Operation to Maintain Freedom of Navigation."

So in the press service of the Seventh fleet The US Navy has commented on the incident with USS John McCain, which was reported on Tuesday. But since when shipping in the Peter the Great Gulf suddenly became "not free", the Pentagon does not comment ...

The RF statement is not true. The ship "John McCain" was not "expelled" from any national waters.

- said in a statement.

The United States does not consider the Gulf of Peter the Great to be the sovereign territory of the Russian Federation, therefore, they declare that there was no expulsion. The Seventh Fleet of the US Navy names the position of the Russian Federation, according to the legislation of which the Gulf is historical bay, "excessive sea claims". They claim that the Russian Federation is violating the international Convention on the Law of the Sea, since since 1984 the Soviet Union began to claim "more inland waters" than, in the opinion of the United States, it was supposed to, and the Russian Federation continued this policy.

On Tuesday, the US Navy decided in practice to prove that they are allowed to do anything. The same is stated in the message of the press service of the Seventh Fleet, commenting on the incident in the bay:

The United States will fly, sail and operate wherever international law permits - regardless of the location of excessive maritime claims and current events.

Therefore, the destroyer "John McCain" went into the depths of Russian territorial waters for two kilometers, from where it was driven out by the large anti-submarine ship of the Russian Navy "Admiral Vinogradov". The violator was warned that a ramming maneuver could be used against him, after which he left the territory of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Machete]

There was no expulsion. We heroically fought ourselves. And they did it in the most democratic way.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Machete

We heroically scrambled ourselves.

We would have given them more!
If they caught up with us ...

[Machete]

Yeah, they will fly and swim wherever they want ...
The same as here: before the first shout? And then they can land if it is aviation.
How the turkeys pouted and broadcast some kind of nonsense.

[Thrall]

Well, yes, there was no exile. And Johnny McCain himself in 1967 in a Vietnamese lake just swam on a beach inflatable ring and drank a mojito from a tube

[Hunter 2]

McCain also ruined the Aircraft Carrier! Burned 25 aircraft and in captivity with mojito switched to "donkey urine".
A productive guy ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Hunter 2

McCain also ruined the Aircraft Carrier! Burned 25 aircraft

Not McCain, but ugly gunsmiths. McCain then barely escaped from his Skyhawk (in full gear he got out of the cockpit and crawled along the nose cone), when fuel escaped from his neighbor's PTB after being hit by the NAR from the Phantom standing opposite him.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Alexey RA

Not McCain, but ugly gunsmiths. McCain then barely escaped from his Skyhawk (in full gear he got out of the cockpit and crawled along the nose cone), when fuel escaped from his neighbor's PTB after being hit by the NAR from the Phantom standing opposite him.

Having McCain's “dad”, a senior, high-ranking Admiral, I doubt very much that the official version would have been different ... even in the United States, there is no unequivocal position on this incident, moreover, it is always easier to blame those who will no longer answer the accusations.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Hunter 2

Having McCain's “dad”, a senior, high-ranking Admiral, I doubt very much that the official version would have been different ... even in the United States, there is no unequivocal position on this incident, moreover, it is always easier to blame those who will no longer answer the accusations.

There is a photograph of the start of the fire.

The only way to get into the burning Skyhawks was from the Phantoms on the other side.

[hydrox]

Greedy and cruel you :: spared a donkey urine for such a nice guy.
Yes, if I were in your place, I would have poured mine right up to his neck ... so that he would die as soon as possible!

[Grits]

Quote: hydrox

Yes, if I were in your place, I would have poured mine right up to his neck ... so that he would die as soon as possible!

Well, Duc, it seems already ... that ...

[hydrox]

So this is the desired, referred to THAT time!
You can't even dream ...

[skif8013]

It was a tactical retreat (for diapers).

[Machete]

After the shout on the radio, you ran out of cash at once?

[Olddetractor]

How difficult and winding is the path of true democracy, now an excess, now a provocation, that is not a day. then the operation

[Machete]

If you do not provoke, you will not live.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Olddetractor

How difficult and winding is the path of true democracy, now an excess, now a provocation, that is not a day. then the operation

Until they get a couple of torpedoes in the side, they will be on the edge.
As soon as they were taken on a ram in Syria, they immediately brightened their brains and the information disappeared from the news that they were blocking the movement of our patrols there.

[mister-red]

Quote: Machete

There was no expulsion. We heroically fought ourselves. And they did it in the most democratic way.

We do not know the word Retreat. Make a 180 degree turn and go!

[halpat]

Quote: Machete

There was no expulsion. We heroically fought ourselves. And they did it in the most democratic way.

It was necessary to sink all the cases.

[Boris Chernikov]

and another question .. was the makain on the exercises or ensured “freedom of navigation”? "we do not recognize and so on and so on" ...

[prior]

In order to ensure freedom of navigation in the territorial waters of Russia,
"John McCain" should have been drowned.

[Egoza]

Quote: prior

In order to ensure freedom of navigation in the territorial waters of Russia,
"John McCain" should have been drowned.

Here's another! Litter up territorial waters! And on the "string" and bring home no way? Scrap metal however!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Egoza

And on the "string" and bring home

Like the Iranians when they hijacked two boats with American Marines. It was 13.01.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.
Board, bring the crew to their knees, take away the weapon. And when they apologize in every possible way, let them go in peace.

[Letun]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

bring the crew to their knees

Are you by any chance with Nezalezhnaya? They love to assert themselves in this way.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Letun

Are you by any chance with Nezalezhnaya? They love to assert themselves in this way.

Address your questions to the Persians. It was they who, during the arrest, put the American Marines on their knees, and they were told to keep their hands behind their heads.
Don't you know this story? At one time, it was widely discussed. Search the internet. The main thing is to believe in yourself. If you have no problems with faith in yourself, then everything will work out.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

It was they who, during the arrest, put the American Marines on their knees, and they were told to keep their hands behind their heads.

To scoff at prisoners of war is not too great a virtue for any normal serviceman, and even more so in our army. If the Iranians were so tough, they would not have taken them prisoner, but simply would have destroyed all the Americans on the spot and filmed it for the world media. But it would seem that then the responsibility for the bazaar would have to be really, but in this the Iranians were weak on the front end, trembling in the knees began.
So I am in no way justifying the Americans, I will just note that the actions of these figures from the deserts and mountains should be treated as people with an unhealthy psyche, judging by the fact that they sometimes get up even in the squares with their compatriots.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: ccsr

Mocking prisoners of war is not too much of a dignity for any normal soldier

This is not a mockery, but a precautionary measure. In this position (kneeling, hands behind the head) it is much more difficult for the detainee to resist.

[ccsr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

This is not a mockery, but a precautionary measure. In this position (kneeling, hands behind the head) it is much more difficult for the detainee to resist.

In that situation, they could only jump overboard to feed sharks ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

In general, you understand me. Hopefully.

[Letun]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Address your questions to the Persians. It was they who, during the arrest, put the American Marines on their knees, and they were told to keep their hands behind their heads.
Don't you know this story?

Known. Well, as I understand it, we now need to follow the example of the Persians? And in the Emirates they still cut their hands for theft? Are they not stoned for treason?
Who else would you suggest taking an example from?
For me personally, "polite people" in the Crimea are somehow closer. I see that you have other examples to follow ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: prior

"John McCain" should have been drowned.

Until the time is right, at the moment the exorcism rite conducted by the commander of the BOD "Admiral Vinogradov" is enough.

[Mountain shooter]

And they will drown in accordance with Archimedes' law ... completely democratic ... Otherwise, you cannot call it a provocation ...

[skif8013]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And they will drown in accordance with Archimedes' law ... completely democratic ... Otherwise, you cannot call it a provocation ...

This does not sink, the law of life. Or pops up quickly and stinks)

[Ros 56]

Well, what did you want the striped ones to confess, but we screwed up? Naturally, they will deny everything, so these should not be warned, but beaten and very painful.

[Kart]

Maybe we accidentally dropped in. Well, someone overlooked it, or something. I put my feet on the console, or I spilled a cola.
And how they figured it out - they got scrambled.
Everything else is invented in the American style - look how brave we are. Well, you need to somehow use the situation to your advantage?

[Ros 56]

It's like in that joke who threw a felt boot on the ballistic missile launcher?

[Ross xnumx]

The US Navy ship was stationed in Peter the Great Bay in the Sea of ​​Japan, conducting "Operation to Maintain Freedom of Navigation."

What, not a single mine of WWII times was ripped off the minrepe? Yes, this "American extermination from the waters" under water must be put on stream. Already dozens of combat swimmers should be ready to drag old German (Japanese) sea mines under the bottoms of American vessels.
Such a small underwater vehicle with a hemp rope, to which the mine is tied ... And ... Go to your "neutral depths" ...

[Deniso]

The American destroyer fled without proving its right to be present in our waters.

[Deniso]

Joe, there is a Russian boat near Florida ... Well, why, they are constantly spinning here. I have already instructed them not to sell anything. Especially alcohol

[Daniil Konovalenko]

The United States does not consider the Gulf of Peter the Great as a sovereign territory of the Russian Federation

The Russian Foreign Ministry, in response, must declare that they do not consider the bays on the US coast to be the sovereign territory of the United States.

[Garris199]

And actually what are we talking about?

They declare that on the part of the Russian Federation there is a violation of the international Convention on the Law of the Sea

The USA has not ratified this convention

[Doccor18]

... for "more inland waters" than the US thinks it should be ...

Oh how! Now mattresses decide who is entitled to what.
Only modern warships, fighters and ICBMs can indicate the place for the long-time presumptuous "world owners", everything else does not work.

[tihonmarine]

The US Navy ship was stationed in Peter the Great Bay in the Sea of ​​Japan, conducting "Operation to Maintain Freedom of Navigation."

If anyone violates the freedom of navigation, then this one since the founding of the United States is done by the descendants of Uncle Sam. And where were you brave cowboys, when in the Strait of Hormuz, in Nigeria, pirates seize ships, rob, take prisoners, kill the crews directly in the raid. And where everything is quiet, the Yankees on mares and with spurs, demonstrate the Defense of freedom of navigation. ”It seems that a great country, you see, admirals, generals are handsome, but they say such nonsense. But what the US admiral-generals say is reminiscent of the statements of Stepan Poltorak and Alexei Neizhpap.
And although how they differ from each other, they are not far away.

[bar]

The RF statement is not true. The ship "John McCain" was not "expelled" from any national waters.

"We just didn't really want to"
Children's garden is straight.

[Tagan]

How interesting. Those. mattresses, they said, were not from Russian waters, but from international waters. comrades, but this is a double shame for the exceptional.

[Avior]

A lot of noise from scratch.
The Americans have been doing this since the 80s of the last century - they enter areas closed by the internal legislation of different countries, as they believe, contrary to the requirements of the UN Convention.
They did it under the USSR, and they do it not only in relation to Russia.
Yesterday I gave data for 2015

WASHINGTON, April 25. / Corr. TASS Anton Chudakov /. The Pentagon conducted a series of operations to support freedom of navigation and aeronautics in the disputed territories of 12 countries in fiscal 2015 (from October 1, 2014 to September 30, 2015). This is stated in the Pentagon report released on Monday. Single actions by the US Department of Defense took place near the territories of Argentina, Nicaragua and the Chinese province of Taiwan, and multiple operations - near areas that are contested by Vietnam, India, Indonesia, Iran, China, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Oman and the Philippines.

Such operations "are designed to challenge the excessive claims of" these states "in order to preserve the rights, freedoms and lawful use of the sea and air space for all countries in accordance with international law."

In particular, the US Armed Forces contested "Chinese claims to the ownership of the airspace over their exclusive economic zone" in the South China Sea ...

By these actions, they do not seek to grab a piece of the water area, this would not be the case at all, but they maintain the status of the waters, so that on occasion in some court or arbitration it could not be used as proof of belonging, that in these waters no one but their own, according to established practice , Don `t come in.
It is clear that this destroyer had nothing to do there, as well as the waters, which China considers its own, he simply recorded by the fact of entry that other countries also use these waters - he went at least a kilometer, at least two.
It is not clear why the second day is so much attention to an ordinary event, which is 40 years old all over the world for tens of a year ...

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Avior

A lot of noise from scratch.
The Americans have been doing this since the 80s of the last century - they enter areas closed by the internal legislation of different countries, as they believe, contrary to the requirements of the UN Convention.
They did it under the USSR, and they do it not only in relation to Russia.
Yesterday I gave data for 2015

WASHINGTON, April 25. / Corr. TASS Anton Chudakov /. The Pentagon conducted a series of operations to support freedom of navigation and aeronautics in the disputed territories of 12 countries in fiscal 2015 (from October 1, 2014 to September 30, 2015). This is stated in the Pentagon report released on Monday. Single actions by the US Department of Defense took place near the territories of Argentina, Nicaragua and the Chinese province of Taiwan, and multiple operations - near areas that are contested by Vietnam, India, Indonesia, Iran, China, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Oman and the Philippines.

Such operations "are designed to challenge the excessive claims of" these states "in order to preserve the rights, freedoms and lawful use of the sea and air space for all countries in accordance with international law."

In particular, the US Armed Forces contested "Chinese claims to the ownership of the airspace over their exclusive economic zone" in the South China Sea ...

By these actions, they do not seek to grab a piece of the water area, this would not be the case at all, but they maintain the status of the waters, so that on occasion in some court or arbitration it could not be used as proof of belonging, that in these waters no one but their own, according to established practice , Don `t come in.
It is clear that this destroyer had nothing to do there, as well as the waters, which China considers its own, he simply recorded by the fact of entry that other countries also use these waters - he went at least a kilometer, at least two.
It is not clear why the second day is so much attention to an ordinary event, which is 40 years old all over the world for tens of a year ...

The fact of the matter is that since the time of the marked, such cases began to recur regularly. The feeling of impunity gives rise to great arrogance, which turns into rudeness. The second center of power has disappeared.
Before the humpback came to power, they did not dare ..

[Avior]

Can you remember many such cases from memory?
in 1986 in the Black Sea, the second similar in 1988, when there was a pile of Soviet patrolmen on American ships, who were sent there instead of a destroyer - and after that, over 30 years from memory, can you name many such cases?

[The Siberian barber]

Duc, your previous comment, describes everything to himself)))
Few?
Or is it normal when a bully comes to your territory, without your approval, by right of the strong, explaining what is happening by "freedom of movement"?)))

[Avior]

if you are confident in your right, then you need to apply all measures, up to military action.
But if at the same time it comes to proceedings in the UN court, you need to be sure that the decision to draw the border in this way was legal, and the court decision will be in your favor, so that you do not have to pay compensation, otherwise the swing is big, and the output will turn out to be a little as with the Greenpeace icebreaker.
Or as it was in the history of the Black Sea - first they made a bulk, at the same time, the newly repaired patrol boat was brought to write-off, the noise was raised, and a year later, quietly and without unnecessary noise, the agreement admitted that the Americans were right.
In the meantime, this is all at the level - Navi pretended to be navigating , Pacific Fleet - did what he kicked out.

[cniza]

It is not clear why the second day is so much attention to an ordinary event, which is 40 years old all over the world for tens of a year ...

It's all clear, it's just that now the time looks differently at this event, hence the article ...

[victor50]

Quote: Avior

It is not clear why the second day is so much attention to an ordinary event, which is 40 years old all over the world for tens of a year ...

For so long there was no opportunity about diapers and again the Americans were pushed to write. And here is such a victory!

[HAM]

These penguins only understand the language of power, and their impudence is shown only before the bruises appear. They got angry and did not say that they were caught up from the bay “unprofessionally.” And rudeness should be suppressed in the bud ...

[tralflot1832]

If it hadn't been clueless, they would have anchored and regulated free shipping.

[1536]

American reconnaissance aircraft in the late 1950s and early 1960s flew over the territory of the USSR, "controlling" everything that happened on its territory. The Americans behaved extremely arrogantly, "controllers" were found, you see. But on May 1, 1960, the Lockheed U-2 reconnaissance aircraft was shot down over the Urals, the pilot survived and was arrested, convicted and subsequently exchanged for a Soviet spy. Those who wanted to control life in the USSR were no longer found, provocateurs are cowards by nature.
Conclusion: Do you need a tough response to the provocative actions of American ships in the Sea of ​​Japan?

[tralflot1832]

This is not the same McCain. They say he sang "a nightingale" in captivity. Dad is an honored admiral of World War II. Burke is named after him. Hence the hollow quarry.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tralflot1832

The Pope is an honored admiral of World War II, and Burke is named after him.

In honor of dad and grandfather. Grandfather in WWII commanded the "Pacific steam roller" - a fast aircraft carrier formation TF.38. He died four days after the surrender of Japan.

[rocket757]

This is normal!!!
The most heroic heroism is now manifested in social networks.

[cniza]

But since when shipping in the Gulf of Peter the Great suddenly became "not free", the Pentagon does not comment ...

Their opinions wander in their heads ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

Their opinions wander in their heads ...

There would have been convolutions, one would have thought that different opinions got lost there and got confused .... and so, in fact, they slip directly without leaving any trace.
Hi

[cniza]

Good time!
Wander from the meaning sour or worse. They don't have any fresh ideas on what and how to do ...

[rocket757]

Quote: cniza

They don't have any fresh ideas on what and how to do ...

I doubt, or rather I am sure that we will not hear anything new in the foreseeable future!
Painfully overwhelmed brains, on a white hill, should settle.

[cniza]

It’s not easier from such conclusions, but we cannot influence the processes, they are very specific ...

[rocket757]

I understand that the Yankees themselves do not greatly influence the processes! More precisely, most of them .... are ruled by VERY rich Buratino, who as a result of this taxiing want to become even richer !!!
Nothing new, just like a textbook!

[cniza]

Of course, the game of democracy and hanging noodles, even we don't have that ...

[rocket757]

Everywhere they will go for this, if they put it ...

[cniza]

Still, the price of the question is wow, so a lot of interesting things await us ...

[rocket757]

We, for now, just look from the outside ... which in itself is not bad!
But in the future, it's not a fact that this will be avoided ... or even "participate", which, by the way, I really don't want !!!

[cniza]

If they have Ya.O. , God forbid, there will be no one to control, then anything can be, and it's better to drive McCain from our borders and no more ...

[TAMBU]

I'll just leave it here to make it clearer in general what it is about:
https://telegra.ph/Vinogradov-Makkejn-i-Petr-11-24

[Prisoner]

"Supermen" in their repertoire. There are no losses, the diapers are dry and we just urgently needed to go home. They forgot to turn off the iron.

[Cotton Colorado]

"The statement of the Russian Federation does not correspond to reality. The ship" John McCain "was not" expelled "from any national waters."
"Expelled" from neutral waters?

[Revival]

It turns out like this))

[113262a]

We disperse. The fish remained hungry. Zakharova is silent. Lavrov too.

[sledak]

Does the United States have something like the Peter the Great Gulf, which we also do not recognize and can also ensure freedom of navigation there? Mirror, so to speak

[Avior]

Is.
Delaver and Santa Monica bays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica_Bay
But their belonging to the historical bays has not been disputed until this moment.
Along the Peter the Great Bay, it was officially contested from the very moment it was declared historical in the 50s.
this is a UN document on historic waters
https://legal.un.org/ilc/documentation/english/a_cn4_143.pdf

[sledak]

Thank you very much!

[rotmistr60]

The Soviet Union began to lay claim to "more inland waters" than, in the opinion of the United States, it was entitled to, and the Russian Federation continued this policy.

Well, here it is clear - it turns out that only the United States can determine who and how much its territory and the surrounding waters are supposed to. Therefore, according to some American politicians, it is also not fair that Siberia with its natural resources belongs only to Russia, and it is high time to transfer the Northern Sea Route to common use.

Ship "John McCain" was not "banished"

Of course, he took a walk, and after a warning from the Russian ship "proudly" he left.

[Gate68]

McCain and shits from there

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Scrape, scrape ...

[Senka naughty]

how much can you write garbage?

[Pavel123]

ABOUT! Clear. We made a mistake with navigation. It happens. Apparently, the GPS is jammed ...

[pavels52]

It was a planned retreat © ...

[aszzz888]

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It was a planned retreat © ...

So yes, I don’t want the merikatos for the most, and they start to powder their mum!

[aszzz888]

The United States does not consider the Gulf of Peter the Great to be the sovereign territory of the Russian Federation, therefore, they declare that there was no expulsion.

Well then, we, too, will not consider the beaches of California Merikatosian, and we would float there, at least under the periscope.

[AshPoseidon]

Maybe they remembered that not only in bulk ours can dislodge, but also by warning bombing along the course of the destroyer ship. This can be regarded as an armed invasion. Such an amendment should have been adopted by the Ministry of Defense in the law "On the State Border of the Russian Federation".

[Dmitry Potapov]

It was necessary to throw mines around it with no possibility of demining and trawling.

[Growlers]

They only understand strength

[Kushka]

I went to myself, three of them came out of the woods wearing felt boots.
I'm after them, looking, catching up ...

[lopuhan2006]

There is no real video of the displacement and recording of negotiations for the electorate. And then it smells like another interception, another bomber over the Black Sea and, of course, cheated crews of violators. Only I have questions: 1. How was it allowed to approach as much as 2 km (or 2 miles?). 2. If he was followed and he was hanging around for 2 days, then he should have been met at the border, and not wait when he violated. 3. Where is the video of the process?
It smells like just another deception for the narrow-minded and stupid representatives of the electorate and cheers-patriots.

[vadivm59]

I completely agree. looks like urya-report.

[Revival]

Then it turns out that they were washed out of international waters on our order, so they do it !?)))

[vadivm59]

and not whether to send Russia a couple of three warships in the Gulf of Mexico. to test the freedom of navigation, and see the reaction of the U.S. and then poke their noses into their double standards.

[Alex Justice]

At least a map of the incident was published. Maybe the Americans are right?

[Old26]

Quote: vadivm59

why not send Russia a couple of three warships to the Gulf of Mexico

Are they there to guide?

[Viktoo Kharitonov]

Pure propaganda hype. That from our side, that from the American side. Everyone wants to be cool.