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"We just have to poison the wells": Romania summed up the post-Soviet "development" of the country

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A hundred years ago, the peace talks at Trianon were completed, which defined the borders of Romania in the interwar period. Then, for the last time, Bucharest was the winner and a full party in the war [as a participant in the First World War]. Now, many years after the revolution [1989], the country has found itself "at a broken trough."


Marius Zgureanu writes about this on the pages of Romania Military, indicating what the state had to say goodbye to so far:

Without Bessarabia, without infrastructure, without large investments from strategic partners and with an accelerated demographic decline: in 4 years more Romanian children are born abroad than in the country. We joined the EU and NATO over 10 years ago, and nothing since then! Even Schengen was not obtained.

In his words, attempts to return the Romanians to their homeland were in vain. This is especially noticeable in the example of “ungrateful Bessarabians” [apparently, we are talking about Moldovans]: they accept citizenship only in order to flee to other EU countries or, moving to Romania, continue to speak Russian.

How can they afford such a right?

- the author is indignant.

He asks himself a rhetorical question, how the country is living today, what project. Daily survival? Or import of finished products from industrialized countries? And this is against the background of the need to ensure regional security in the face of the threat from Russia and Turkey.


Debt to GDP Ratio of Romania


Country in ruins


Zgureanu believes that the state has proved powerless to deal with the danger hanging over it. The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities. Industry - production. Infrastructure - bridges, roads and railways.

We cut down the forests, we replaced the sown fields with sand dunes [...] We just have to poison the wells. Wait, though, we must first import the poison that we no longer produce ...

- the author sums up the results of the post-Soviet "development".

As he points out, the huge public debt does not allow the country to direct any significant funds to economic recovery. Soon all finances will be spent only on current expenses, leaving no reserves for investment. In his words, the last 30 years in the life of the state have led only to chaos, which has yet to be fully comprehended:

We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy! We don't have time for further delays if we don't want to miss the last train.
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 25 November 2020 07: 56
    +79
    The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities.

    If Zgureanu is reassured by this, then Romania is not alone ...
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 25 November 2020 08: 01
      +64
      Romania is not alone. But the article is about Romania.

      And what did the Romanians want (Balts, Poles, Hungarians, Bulgarians, etc. - insert the right thing)?
      They are needed by the Great Light of Democracy - the European Union - as a cheap labor force,
      for "cleaning barns" (c) M.A. Bulgakov.

      Competitors are not needed. Villages too.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 25 November 2020 08: 22
        +30
        And Moldovans (well, not all) pray for this Romania. However, they are attracted by the cookies for the unification of Romania and Moldova.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 25 November 2020 09: 00
          +19
          Probably because it is even more "fun" in Moldova ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 25 November 2020 09: 13
            +6
            ... sums up the author results of post-Soviet "development".

            So I wanted to say that our situation is better than in Romania! But ... they have an average salary of 97 thousand rubles, while ours is at the level of African countries.

            And the same negative birth rate and lagging behind the global rates of development. GDP decreases relative to the world average.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 25 November 2020 10: 00
              +25
              their average salary is 97 thousand rubles, while ours is at the level of African countries.

              The average salary doesn't say anything. This is just one of the many factors that determine living standards. African countries can live better than Romanians. I recently spoke with the caliber about this, so he does not understand it either.
              1. mr.ZinGer
                mr.ZinGer 25 November 2020 21: 37
                0
                Sorry, but I don't understand either, there are statistics, bad, good, but this is science, and then emotions.
              2. Niki71
                Niki71 26 November 2020 18: 09
                +4
                for Romanians over the past 5 years, 1000 euros (wed / salary) has remained - 1000 euros, and we have these 1000 euros from 44 thousand (2014), increased to 90 thousand.
            2. LifeIsGood
              LifeIsGood 25 November 2020 11: 09
              +13
              First, look at their prices, how much equipment, products, etc. are in Romania. and then write tearful comments.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 25 November 2020 13: 06
                +8
                Quote: LifeIsGood
                First look at their prices, how much machinery in Romania, products, etc. and then write tearful comments.

                I don’t know in Romania, but I compared it with Poland. Household appliances, both for us and for them, cost the same. I think in Romania as well.

                Do you own the prices yourself, or just to hate?
                1. LifeIsGood
                  LifeIsGood 25 November 2020 14: 07
                  +9
                  I? I have no idea what their prices are. It was you who began to cry and develop the topic of salaries "oh, how bad we are ... we are all going to die."
                  I showed you a leash that before you write nonsense and shed bitter tears "oh, how bad we are" you need to make a CORRECT comparison!
                  You want to prove it there, not me! Well, prove it CORRECT!
                  Otherwise, everything that you wrote can be considered only as an inept and stupid attempt to throw mud at your country, if you are, of course, a resident of Russia.
                2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 November 2020 16: 44
                  +1
                  I don’t know in Romania, but I compared it with Poland.


                  According to the big mac index, Russia is between Spain and Italy.
                3. nemez
                  nemez 25 November 2020 17: 51
                  +2
                  Utility bills, taxes, and where have you seen such salaries? There are distant relatives in Germany - they have 180-240 rubles for dvuh when translated into rubles. A doctor and a pensioner.
                4. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice 25 November 2020 18: 33
                  0
                  I don’t know in Romania, but I compared it with Poland. Household appliances, both for us and for them, cost the same. I think in Romania as well.

                  Australia-Russia prices for electronics are about the same.
                5. Stock
                  Stock 25 November 2020 20: 07
                  +1
                  We are talking about the prices of essential goods and utilities. I am sure that if you delve into all this in Romania, it is much more expensive
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                6. sleeve
                  sleeve 26 November 2020 07: 40
                  +1
                  Dear, you are right about science. Therefore, in this situation, in the case of the approval of the number of average salaries at the indicated levels, it is necessary to take the second figure-the number of employed, multiply and compare with the third-declared GDP. And mind you, I'm not asking you to remember, for example, how the dollar behaves in relation to the ruble. To hell with him. But that's not all. The meaning of the illusion is successful in demonstrating the allegedly explicit and concealment of the important and decisive. Tell me, if you take out a loan for a million rubles, will your small GDP and PS grow by this million? I'm not mistaken, am I? The rest is secondary ... Especially the consequences.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 25 November 2020 14: 00
                +9
                Products
                In Romania, they are just cheap, and the quality is not bad at all.
              3. Pastor
                Pastor 26 November 2020 00: 02
                +5
                I live in Kaliningrad. They used to go to Poland and Germany all the time before. Even with their zlotys and oiro is cheaper than ours. I'm not talking about quality.
                1. Ulysses
                  Ulysses 26 November 2020 11: 16
                  +4
                  I live in Kaliningrad.
                  Never understood your sausage shopping.
                  Local meat is no more expensive than Polish meat.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 26 November 2020 11: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: Ulysses
                    Local meat is no more expensive than Polish meat.

                    No, they write something else here. They say everything is Russian much cheaper Romanian, Polish. And this justifies the modest size of the Russian salary.
            3. alexa100974
              alexa100974 25 November 2020 11: 33
              +8
              I will leave my message under all messages of this agitator)
              In Romania, RUB 97 thousand is a BRUTTO salary.
              Payroll taxes 40%.
              97000 - 40% = 58200 Russian rubles
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 25 November 2020 15: 12
                +8
                Quote: alexa100974
                58200 russ. rubles

                Is it less than the average Russian?

                Not satisfied with the average, but what about the minimum? Minimum salary in Romania net of all taxes 500 Euro. 45 thousand rubles our way! What do you say to that? In Russia, even half of the population does not receive that much, but there it is at least. The very bottom.
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                2. nemez
                  nemez 25 November 2020 17: 52
                  0
                  If you want to go there, go. Why cry?
                3. free_flier
                  free_flier 25 November 2020 23: 07
                  +5
                  Well, then take the cost of fuel, electricity, utilities (water / gas, etc.), and it turns out that in many EU countries the people have no more "to live" with than the Russians.
                  And no more pi / pi, that I don't know anything, uncle and second cousins ​​in Germany, daughter in England. The average income is almost the same everywhere.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 27 November 2020 09: 31
                    0
                    Quote: free_flier
                    And no further pi / pithat I do not know anything, uncle and second cousins ​​in Germany, daughter in England. Average income is almost the same everywhere

                    Pi wee you are doing it now! What are your relatives in Germany and England doing now ?? Didn't they go there for a better life? And why does no one come from there to earn money? Balabol.

                    Well, people always like to complain. Our billionaires are always complaining - they beg for money from the state. It's hard for them!
                4. Volder
                  Volder 25 November 2020 23: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  The minimum wage in Romania after deduction of all taxes is 500 euros. 45 thousand rubles our way! In Russia, even half of the population does not receive that much, but there it is at least.
                  Russia lives within its means, and Romania - in debt. That is why the national debt of Romania is much higher than the Russian one. Conclusion: if this continues, the Romanian economy will collapse sooner or later. And the Russian economy may not collapse at all.
                5. Funtliha
                  Funtliha 26 November 2020 07: 46
                  +5
                  It was our government that dropped the ruble to save the oil and gas oligarchy. After all, if you count at an objectively weighted rate: 20-25 rubles per dollar, then the situation will be seen in a completely different light ...
                6. Omskgasmyas
                  Omskgasmyas 27 November 2020 08: 47
                  0
                  At UKRuin, the minimum wage has also become higher than the Russian one. And sho, they immediately panicked from this? For comparison, they always take salaries after taxes, coupled with prices.
            4. vitvit123
              vitvit123 25 November 2020 11: 46
              +4
              Why are you talking about us? Speech for Romania and Moldova ... that I can see without you, by myself ...
            5. vvp2412
              vvp2412 25 November 2020 13: 35
              +7
              So I wanted to say that our situation is better than in Romania! But ... they have an average salary of 97 thousand rubles, while ours is at the level of African countries.

              The point is not about what kind of salary anywhere. And that you can afford it!
              If you have a salary of at least a billion rubles / dollars / euros per month (it should be emphasized), but at the same time the price of a loaf of bread will be 2 billion of the same currency, then you are a beggar!
              And back. If you have a salary of 100 rubles / dollars / euros, but the cost of a loaf of bread is 1 kopeck / cent, then you are a wealthy person!
              It is necessary to compare purchasing power parity, not salary in absolute terms!
              Somewhere a communal apartment can be 50% of the average salary, and somewhere 10%. And in the second case, it is not necessary to earn VERY much to live well!
              1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 November 2020 16: 51
                +7
                The point is not about what kind of salary anywhere. And that you can afford it!


                I always believed that even children should understand this, well, from the fifth grade, for sure, but it turns out that many at VO do not know, and after all, they probably are not from the Unified State Exam generation, although ... what
              2. PSih2097
                PSih2097 25 November 2020 17: 00
                +5
                Quote: vvp2412
                Somewhere a communal apartment can be 50% of the average salary, and somewhere 10%.

                in the USSR there was 2-3% of the salary of an engineer ...
            6. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 25 November 2020 14: 57
              +4
              We had times when millions received, perhaps the whole world envied us then?
            7. uralant
              uralant 25 November 2020 20: 09
              0
              Quote: Stas157
              they have an average salary of 97 thousand rubles, and we have at the level of African countries

              If you get a thousand rubles, and I get 100 thousand, what is our average salary with us? This figure was working in the USSR. Now it is used to instill equality among people. If this one has 4 million a month, and that one has 10 thousand, then what is some kind of Romania with its average of 75 thousand.
            8. Dodikson
              Dodikson 26 November 2020 11: 16
              -3
              what the fuck is a salary of 97 thousand?
              They have a salary of 500 euros, this is an excellent salary, as we have 60 thousand. in the capital this is not considered the coolest salary, but in the provinces it is still necessary to fight for this. and 97 thousand is perhaps in the capital and in not the worst position.
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 25 November 2020 11: 14
          +8
          Quote: 210ox
          And Moldovans (well, not all) pray for this Romania. However, they are attracted by the cookies for the unification of Romania and Moldova.
          Moldovans need an EU passport.
          After the annexation of Moldova-Bessarabia to Romania, the number beggarswill increase by 2 people (population of Moldova according to the 913 census). And when that, under N. Ceaucesco, the external debt of Romania was practically paid off. Yes, the inhabitants of Romania then "tightened their belts on the last hole" - and many later said that you can live "on debt" - they do not care how much the state owes, following the example of the USA. Today you can see "The focus failed - the fakir was drunk (democracy)" yes
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 November 2020 11: 47
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          And Moldovans (well, not all) pray for this Romania. However, they are attracted by the cookies for the unification of Romania and Moldova.

          Greetings, Vladimir! hi a monument to the Germans who came to conquer is planned in Moldova now .... what else will happen under this chapter?
          And Romania has paid off the debts to the dictator. The dictator was killed, and again got into debt. Well, yes, we just need to work on the wells.
          1. barsik92090
            barsik92090 25 November 2020 14: 39
            +1
            The dig should be trusted only by titled excavators - crests, who are able to bury them.
          2. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 25 November 2020 19: 27
            +1
            There was a time under Ceausescu, when beets were grown on the lawns in Bucharest, there was nothing to eat, but almost the entire debt was paid laughing
        4. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 25 November 2020 12: 46
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          And Moldovans (well, not all) pray for this Romania. However, they are attracted by the cookies for the unification of Romania and Moldova.

          President-elect Maia Sandu says:
          In two weeks I brought my foreign policy out of a coma, so that Moldova could be adequately represented at the international level, I began to restore relations with Romania and Ukraine, "Sandu said.

          Different levels, different visions of the situation ... Although, of course, sitting on full state support can be a dream.
          And what will happen next for the people is not clear ...
        5. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 25 November 2020 13: 58
          +2
          They are tempted by Russian passports, with which they can go to Sweden or Germany.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 November 2020 09: 52
        +7
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        And what did the Romanians want (Balts, Poles, Hungarians, Bulgarians, etc.

        In addition to the Romanians, all of you listed not only the Schengen, but also the EU passports have, and good help, and the Romanians, as always, left "mamalyga".
      3. krillon
        krillon 25 November 2020 15: 40
        +5
        So stop! I revise again an interview with Chubais where he says that the 90s were not economically predetermined. They. They! We solved more global problems. Namely, the fight against communism. Apparently defeat communism, and in Romania too. Who has become a better life? Those who had previously passed tests on Marxism-Leninism were destroyed, having received their benefits, hiding behind loud slogans.
      4. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 25 November 2020 18: 29
        0
        They are needed by the Great Light of Democracy - the European Union - as a cheap labor force,
        for "cleaning barns"

        It turns out that there is a conspiracy of the West to rot its neighbors. Kind of like a club. Where do they, the members of the club, gather?
      5. Sofa
        Sofa 26 November 2020 14: 43
        0
        And what is in the post-Soviet space, and everything is so wonderful in our country? How many schools, hospitals, enterprises have collapsed and continue to fall apart. I'm not talking about a village where there are only empty houses. We are all left at a broken trough. Here is "democracy" for you. ...
      6. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 27 November 2020 11: 47
        0
        Zgureanu believes that the state has proved powerless to deal with the danger hanging over it. The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities. Industry - production. Infrastructure - bridges, roads and railways.
        Foolish Zguryanu! This is DEMOCRACY !!!!! He swung at the sacred! For the robbed, it does not exist otherwise. And it doesn't matter who is robbing, "their own oligarchs" or foreign ones. The result is exactly the same.
    2. skif8013
      skif8013 25 November 2020 08: 03
      +7
      It's too late to drink Borjomi. And there is no turning back, no matter how much one would like.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 27 November 2020 11: 50
        0
        It's too late to drink Borjomi. And there is no turning back, no matter how much one would like.
        Why not?! There is! But who, without a fight, will give up what is righteously stolen? None. It means only through the struggle. And no one will fight until they are put beyond the brink of physical survival. But with such appetites of the masters of life, this will happen in the near historical perspective.
    3. Civil
      Civil 25 November 2020 08: 15
      -13%
      Salaries in Romania
      Indicator Value Period
      Minimum wage 461 EUR / month | 548.823 USD / month Q3 / 20
      Salary 5414 RON / month | 1322.94 USD / month Sep. 2020


      How can you live on such a penny? They brought the country ... one word - Romanians ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 25 November 2020 08: 26
        +4
        You see, someone doesn't like the real thing. Their standard of living (more precisely, per capita GDP) is quite comparable to ours.
        1. Civil
          Civil 25 November 2020 08: 32
          -5
          Quote: 210ox
          Salaries in Russia
          Indicator Value Period
          Minimum wage 12130 RUB / month | 159.02 USD / month 2020
          Salary 49259 RUB / month | 645.766 USD / month Sep. 2020


          Now that's another matter ... our salaries are the best ...
          1. Kart
            Kart 25 November 2020 08: 41
            -3
            Also suggest poisoning the wells?
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 27 November 2020 11: 53
              0
              Why poison them? Service companies (plumbing, shops) are excellent, and so they are poured with engine oil and smelly garbage. To pay for water by the meter and buy water in stores, and not use free good drinking water. So here, Russia is ahead of Romania.
          2. Volodin
            Volodin 25 November 2020 08: 43
            +30
            In addition to salaries, it would be good then to indicate the prices of basic goods (for example, energy resources). Offhand: the price of a liter of 95th gasoline in Romania is 0,92 euros in the euro currency, that is, 82-83 rubles for ours. The price of electricity is one of the highest in Europe for individuals - more than 10 rubles per kWh at the end of last year (almost twice as expensive as in Moscow).
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 25 November 2020 09: 20
              -27%
              Quote: Volodin
              In addition to salaries, then prices would be good

              Nobody will trade European salaries for Russian prices. There are no fools. Your justification for Russian poverty is not impressive to anyone other than the Zaputins.
              1. Volodin
                Volodin 25 November 2020 09: 48
                +26
                Quote: Stas157
                Nobody will trade European salaries for Russian prices. There are no fools. Your justification for Russian poverty is not impressive to anyone other than the Zaputins.

                Why do you insult Romanians like that? By your logic, they are worse, excuse me, fools - they have Russian patches, and European prices ... Damned Putin, and the Romanians have confused everything ...
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 25 November 2020 10: 04
                  -15%
                  Quote: Volodin
                  According to your logic, they are worse, sorry, fools - their patches are Russiane, and the prices are European

                  The average salary in Romania in 2020 (April) is 5 lei per month (about 201 euros). On our about 100 thousand rubles. Our average will seem to be smaller, no?

                  Indeed, Romanian salaries are very low compared to full-fledged European ones, but even they are much higher than Russian ones. Which at the time of comparison is already with African salaries, but not with European ones.

                  By the way, prices in Africa are even lower! Do you want to talk about it?
                  1. Volodin
                    Volodin 25 November 2020 10: 49
                    +22
                    Quote: Stas157
                    The average salary in Romania in 2020 (April) is 5 lei per month (about 201 euros). Ours is about 1 thousand rubles. Our average will seem to be smaller, no?

                    Talk to Romanians about the average salary in Romania of 100 thousand rubles. They will tell you a lot of interesting things.

                    They will talk about VAT at 24%, and how 20% of the economically active population of Romania live and work no longer in Romania, but in Italy, France and Germany.

                    And in general, if everything is so wonderful in Romania, and everything in Russia is so terrible, why are you still doing something in Russia?
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 25 November 2020 11: 32
                      -13%
                      Quote: Volodin
                      Talk to Romanians about the average salary in Romania of 100 thousand rubles

                      Do you deny this as a fact?
                      And VAT in Russia is just as high, slightly less.

                      Quote: Volodin
                      20% of the economically active population of Romania live and work no longer in Romania, but in Italy, France and Germany.


                      If in Russia there was a free entry to Italy, France and Germany, I assure you that there would be more Russians working there.

                      Quote: Volodin
                      what are you still doing in Russia?

                      Confusers and saucepans have one thing in common - they both try to evict their opponents.
                      1. Volodin
                        Volodin 25 November 2020 11: 54
                        +19
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Confusers and saucepans have one thing in common - they both try to evict their opponents.

                        Colanderheads have a common slogan - to shout, how good it is everywhere, except for the country in which they live - about "Europe" so generally with aspiration.
                      2. Stas157
                        Stas157 25 November 2020 12: 15
                        -7
                        Quote: Volodin
                        Colanderheads have a common slogan - to scream, how good it is everywhereother than the country in which they live

                        Do you think that Russia is very good and everyone who does not like the fat is raging? A familiar position, but unrealistic.

                        And besides, I did not claim that everywhere good... Do not give your conjectures for my opinion. I just compared us to our neighbors. And it turned out that there is nothing to be proud of.
                      3. Volodin
                        Volodin 25 November 2020 12: 28
                        +7
                        Quote: Stas157
                        I just compared us to our neighbors. And it turned out that there is nothing to be proud of.

                        If you haven't noticed, then I also compared the "neighbors" with us, pointing out that it is necessary to take into account not only salaries, but also prices. This is objective. Nobody seems to have called you to be proud, including in the article.
                      4. Akuzenka
                        Akuzenka 27 November 2020 11: 58
                        0
                        Do you think that it is very good in Russia and everyone who does not like the fat is raging? A familiar position, but unrealistic.
                        I think it's bad everywhere. And comparing varieties, sorry, guano, is an occupation for professionals. And I do not understand guano varieties. Since you are an expert at this, tell us why it is bad. Do not get lost in thought, but formulate in one sentence.
                      5. Stas157
                        Stas157 27 November 2020 17: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: AKuzenka
                        tell me why it's bad

                        The problem is capitalism for its own (with neo-feudal features). The way out is the return of socialism.

                        Will it be so short?
                2. Funtliha
                  Funtliha 26 November 2020 07: 54
                  +2
                  If Russia had free entry to Italy, France and Germany, I assure you that there would be more Russians working there.

                  Hardly. Who are we doing there? They have nothing to feed their oglamons with, and the roads are always open to good specialists.
            2. LifeIsGood
              LifeIsGood 25 November 2020 11: 23
              +7
              So what? Your comparison is bare numbers ... Let the average salary in Romania be at least 1 rubles ... if they have a loaf of bread worth 000 rubles, and we have 000 rubles. then your beloved Romanians will run with outstretched hand, and our "beggar and deprived" on holidays and can afford red caviar.
            3. alexa100974
              alexa100974 25 November 2020 11: 26
              +8
              I would like to inform everyone that European salaries are also discussed in Belarus.
              So, in the course of the discussion, it was found out that the salary that propagandists poke at in the amount of 1075 euros (or 97000 Russian rubles) is the GROSS salary (dirty, before taxes). And taxes on salaries in Romania are approx. 40%.
              And then peramoga in the amount of 1075 euros turns into a zrada in the amount of 645 euros))))
            4. BigValery
              BigValery 25 November 2020 11: 31
              +20
              Sorry, but this is an outright lie. Figures are before taxes. According to the National Institute of Statistics of Romania, the net (net) minimum wage in Romania in 2020 is about 1 lei per month (346 euros). The average salary in Romania in 280 (April) is 2020 lei per month (about 5 euros). After paying taxes, the local worker has about 201 lei (1 euros) at his disposal. And it is not at all correct to compare with the Russian salary. Dealers from the economy stupidly divide the value by the dollar rate, but this is absurd !!! Salary, for example, 075t. at a rate of 3x182. A week later, a tanker was bombed, oil prices collapsed, the ruble collapsed and began to cost 655x50. Are you getting less (more)? Or can you buy less (more) in Russia? You can only compare by purchasing power parity (PPP), but here the Romanians are full of seams. Things are worse only in Bulgaria and Moldova.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 25 November 2020 12: 51
                -4
                Quote: BigValery
                Sorry, but this is an outright lie. Figures are before taxes.

                So you want to say that the average salary in Russia and Romania (and not only) is calculated differently? No need to deal with conspiracy theories and assume that everyone around wants to deceive us.

                Quote: BigValery
                After paying taxes, the local employee has about 3 lei (655 евро). And it is not at all correct to compare with the Russian salary.

                If we assume that your statement is correct (which I doubt), then even so, the average salaries in Russia are lower.

                Quote: BigValery
                oil prices collapsed, the ruble collapsed and began to cost 75x1. Are you getting less (more)? Or less(more) can you buy in Russia?

                Do you doubt it? Yes, both in terms of dollars and purchasing power, Russian wages are getting lower (due to devaluation).

                Have you been to hardware stores for a long time? No? I'm under construction now ... so the increased prices hit my wallet very painfully. And from the jump in prices for household appliances - you can go crazy, especially if you buy for an average salary. You will talk to those who are moving new buildings!
                1. alexa100974
                  alexa100974 25 November 2020 13: 16
                  +5
                  Do not hesitate)
                  Subtract 35-40% from any European salary and you will see the salary in your hands.
                  How much should you take away from you in Russia? 13%?
              2. Zhora Mitich
                Zhora Mitich 26 November 2020 13: 40
                0
                When a tanker is bombed, oil prices rise.
        2. LifeIsGood
          LifeIsGood 25 November 2020 11: 18
          +10
          Do you even understand what you wrote? You are like a complete *** kgm ... compare the Romanian salary with the Russian one !! This is normal! But to compare prices in Romania and Russia "no fools" ...
          Should you call the orderlies? Did you fight your head?

          And I'll explain for you. Comparing salaries is good but wrong! First you need to compare prices, then salaries and determine how much a resident of this or that country can afford.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 25 November 2020 12: 21
            -8
            Quote: LifeIsGood
            You call the orderlies? Did you fight your head?

            I am "admired" by squabblers who, when rude, their opponents You called! I assure you that this will not add to your culture.
            1. LifeIsGood
              LifeIsGood 25 November 2020 13: 59
              +2
              O_o and before that I addressed you on "You"? Strangely did not notice ... be so kind as to quote laughing
              In general, an appeal to an unfamiliar interlocutor with whom you are not on friendly terms with "you" is a banal "politeness" !!
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 25 November 2020 15: 05
            +2
            They have nothing in the manual about price comparison and tax, this liberda and the rate of hryuvna Bandera loves to compare with the ruble laughing
        3. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 26 November 2020 09: 37
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Volodin
          In addition to salaries, then prices would be good

          Nobody will trade European salaries for Russian prices. There are no fools. Your justification for Russian poverty is not impressive to anyone other than the Zaputins.

          A strange coincidence, but I have a friend Vanya Chubenko, a Ukrainian who has lived almost his entire life in Romania, so he has changed and has been living in Russia for the last 8 years
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 November 2020 14: 52
        +3
        So throughout Europe the level of prices for gasoline, communal apartments is higher than ours. But I already wrote above about per capita income. However, I myself was on a trip to Romania-Constanta, Bucharest. The prices for food are approximately ours. Accommodation in a three-star hotel is comparable to our Kuban and in terms of about five thousand rubles, but it included three meals a day. This is the hot season. The week was spent along with excursions somewhere under fifty kilo rubles. That was three years ago.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 25 November 2020 14: 56
          +4
          Yes, I want to add. An employee of the "Buhler" company, Vitaliy, from Ukraine and living in Romania, comes to our enterprise. In principle, he is satisfied with everything. By the way, he advised him to skate to see how they live.
    4. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 25 November 2020 08: 53
      +25
      Comparison of salaries is incorrect.

      It is necessary to compare salaries + expenses (taxes, utility bills, insurance, food, gasoline, etc.).
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        1. AlexSam
          AlexSam 25 November 2020 13: 25
          -2
          and such creatures in the country in general and in VO in particular, as uncut dogs ...
      2. Rubi0
        Rubi0 25 November 2020 10: 18
        0
        I would also add the cost of servicing loans, from 6% mortgage for 20 years, and such conditions still need to be looked for
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 November 2020 09: 55
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    You see, someone doesn't like the real thing. Their standard of living (more precisely, per capita GDP) is quite comparable to ours.

    They think that someone will sympathize, regret it, and throw up some money.
    Although I doubt about the money, but from Russia, targeted "Calibers" certainly receive.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 25 November 2020 08: 37
    +13
    Quote: Civil
    How can you live on such a penny? They brought the country ... one word - Romanian

    But how they turned their nose up! "We are the descendants of the Romans." And they thought that on this basis the EU would give them an inheritance.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 25 November 2020 08: 54
      +7
      Another "lamp of European values", Benito Mussolini, called his followers descendants of the Romans.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 01
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      But how they turned their nose up! "We are the descendants of the Romans."

      Some consider themselves to be descendants of the Romans, others as descendants of the Sumerians, some as descendants of Genghis Khan. Although they were orphan children, they remained. "Gypsies in a noisy crowd poked the locomotive backwards, and only then did they learn that the locomotive was the one without wheels." Well, sometimes it's not that, even though the Black Sea was not dug.
  • Horon
    Horon 25 November 2020 08: 56
    +20
    Have you tried to compare prices? Eternal mourner! Always keep a bucket of slop to pour on your own country? Or is she not yours?
    1. Kart
      Kart 25 November 2020 09: 33
      +21
      Certainly not him. The one he worries about is a virtual country invented on the Internet. It is called "rashka" or "etastrana".
      This is an unusual country. Everything in it was destroyed a long time ago, they do not build factories, ships, do not sow grain, and the population has eaten the latter, it is known that only without salt. It is ruled by a bloody regime, fiercely hated by all its inhabitants, without exception, and the authorities and oligarchs drink pivas and ride expensive cars with chicks at the expense of ordinary Etastrans.
      These strangers are 99% young people, starting from the age of 14, as a rule, alternatively gifted, bright and free personalities. There are 1% of older people who are stuck at this age. And of course, good uncles, curators from real countries, who explain to the inhabitants of this country that she has already died, and who is to blame for this.
      Citizens of "this country" want to build another fictional country of the USSR instead. At the same time, they believe that this can be done instantly - you just need to overthrow the bloody regime in their country. And then the people will have free iPhones, pivas, nonsense, and complete freedom, while the former oligarchs will saw the forest in the dense taiga with jigsaws.
      Really existing Russia, and the really existing USSR, fortunately, has nothing to do with "this country". One can only observe what is happening there with the mass crying of citizens.
      You can sympathize, offer to move to a real country, to Russia for example.
      But, as practice shows, in the overwhelming majority of cases it is useless - "this country" firmly settles in the head, and without decisive medical intervention it is impossible to achieve results.
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 09: 56
        +1
        you wrote it all well, but, frankly, these types are also needed so that at least a little power is kept in good shape, at least someone criticizes them, the fact that they do not care for the country is understandable, but many of our snickering bureaucrats are no better
        1. Kart
          Kart 25 November 2020 10: 04
          +4
          Many are possible, and perhaps few. I am not personally acquainted with them.
          I can only say with certainty that the country is different, like the people who live in it. And of course, everyone in the government is also different, because they did not come from Mars, but our same citizens.
          It is possible and necessary to be dissatisfied, sometimes decisively dissatisfied. But on a specific case. And to declare on the basis of this specific discontent that it is necessary to urgently destroy everything in general is at least stupid, you must agree.
          A crowd of dreamers about a spherical country in a vacuum will not help solve any real problems. Moreover, she simply does not know them and does not understand these real problems.
          How can they be useful, to whom? Only to their virtual fellow citizens.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 10: 11
            -5
            I am not personally acquainted with them.
            and with the "oppositionists" so be personally familiar if you condemn so categorically? for me some others are not better
            1. Kart
              Kart 25 November 2020 10: 23
              +10
              By the way, yes. I know the opposition personally, in particular with the ardent adherents of the Yabloko party.
              This is something enchanting. "Tell - will not believe."
              Read only headings. If there are keywords about power, surnames - they immediately rush to the Internet to expose.
              Everything that is done in Russia is bad. That is, absolutely everything.
              They fiercely fight against everything that the authorities do, even when it comes to installing a park bench (not there, the wrong color, money for 10 benches was stolen and only one was installed).
              They actively sympathize with Ukraine and Belarus in their struggle for a bright European future against the bloody regime. Naturally, Crimea is considered Ukrainian, the Kuril Islands are Japanese. And in general, we are sure that Russia does not occupy the territory by right, and oppresses the peoples of Siberia, for example.
              They regularly moan about unjustly repressed citizens (as a rule, very few people generally known).
              At the same time, they work in budget (!) Jobs, and are not at all going to go into a free business in a European way.
              Fortunately, all their seething is known to be happening mainly on social media. Everything according to the scheme is a cohesive sect of supporters, within which no opinions are possible, except for the only correct one. At the slightest shadow of doubt, a member of such a sect is subject to immediate obstruction and expulsion from the ranks.
              Well, as they say - whatever the child is amused, as long as it is not hung.
              While they are there in social networks, they lead round dances, but in reality they still work like nothing really scary.
              But when the cuckoo finally leaves, and this very state starts to spit in the face in their state work, then we should quickly send these citizens not to the taiga, no. Just stop paying them salaries from the budget of the real country of Russia.
              Let Rashka pay them.
              1. Tochilka
                Tochilka 25 November 2020 13: 24
                0
                with great pleasure I read and instructed the pluses! hi
              2. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 14: 14
                0
                Fortunately, all their seething is known to be happening mainly on social media.
                do not underestimate the seething in social networks, as practice has shown in Belarus, it may well move from there to real life on a very decent scale
          2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 25 November 2020 17: 07
            0
            A crowd of dreamers about a spherical country in a vacuum will not help solve any real problems. Moreover, she simply does not know them and does not understand these real problems.

            Gold words, good
        2. Horon
          Horon 25 November 2020 10: 11
          +3
          You need to criticize not sitting on the Internet, but running around the offices and using existing laws to force them to do their job. Not everyone can do it. And on the Internet, moaning is easiest, the main thing is not to get into the role and not to put devastation in your head, otherwise even psychiatrists are bad at getting it out of there.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 10: 14
            +1
            You need to criticize not sitting on the Internet, but running around the offices and using existing laws to force them to do their job.
            apparently you run and force?
            1. Horon
              Horon 25 November 2020 10: 28
              +2
              There were such things, but only by solving their own interests. And you apparently suggest that someone decide yours? Those who begin to solve someone's problems, quickly understand whose problems are more convenient to solve and become one of the ... The same communists, how many really solved social issues? But they solve business issues quite well without noise and dust, even a candidate was sent to the last presidential elections - a businessman and not a communist. Was there no worthy in its ranks or money does not smell? laughing
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 14: 10
                +1
                Well, then we are no different in this matter - I am sitting on the couch criticizing the authorities, and you sitting on the couch criticizing those who criticize the authorities
                1. Horon
                  Horon 25 November 2020 15: 27
                  +3
                  For me, there is no purpose to criticize those who criticize the authorities. But some were so carried away by criticism of the authorities that the other is no longer visible behind them. This is what makes me different from them. I don’t write in every comment and under every topic that where you don’t stick around, what you don’t start a conversation about, there will certainly appear those who will lead him to how bad his life is. On the topic, for example: they also want to draw us into Europe, sometimes even to the detriment of their interests, and from this perspective, Romanian problems may appear in our country, if we continue to listen only to European values ​​and their quality of life. As if under the sauce of striving for their quality of life, we have not lost what else we have.
                  But such comments are clearly a fighter against a regime that does not have a positive outlook and the purpose of his life to "expose" the power, even if it is the fruit of his sick imagination or lack of conscience:
                  Quote: Civil
                  Salaries in Romania
                  Indicator Value Period
                  Minimum wage 461 EUR / month | 548.823 USD / month Q3 / 20
                  Salary 5414 RON / month | 1322.94 USD / month Sep. 2020


                  How can you live on such a penny? They brought the country ... one word - Romanians ...

                  If only to throw a substance, forgetting or deliberately ignoring that a thousand dollars in the USA or we have completely different purchasing power. Not because of the good life there, in Romania, people run to the west, apparently with a salary or a living wage there, not everything is so good.
                  1. _Ugene_
                    _Ugene_ 25 November 2020 18: 10
                    +2
                    Regarding the criticism of the authorities, I want to say that it is 90% fair even if criticized out of place and not in the business, the overwhelming number of officials, especially at the local level, are eager to gain access to administrative resources and, ultimately, for their own enrichment, and there is no point in arguing with this, it is enough to monitor the number of real estate and other benefits from officials and their close relatives, which has been done repeatedly, no one really argues about this anymore
                    I would really like to see real examples of major Russian officials living exclusively on a salary and having an appropriate standard of living, living in an ordinary panel house, riding a bicycle or subway to work, unfortunately there are none, even if one of the honest ones breaks through there completely by accident then the system will make him like everyone else or gobble up
        3. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 26 November 2020 02: 00
          +2
          The authorities still see that these 10% are not there and therefore does not strain. But sane people see that if THIS government does not become, then these vegetables will be and the people are ready to allow a lot, if only THESE would not get to the government. Everyone can see that they are extremely evil and stupid haters of the country whose victory cannot be tolerated in any way, with such an "opposition" the power will be in chocolate all the time.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        These strangers are 99% young people, starting from the age of 14, as a rule, alternatively gifted, bright and free personalities.

        Those who want Western democracy, sexless marriages and live in America or Europe, or build a new "Crimean California".
        1. Kart
          Kart 25 November 2020 10: 09
          +4
          I didn’t study it on purpose, time is short - Russia has to build a real country. But, all the same, some information gets.
          As far as it is clear, they have at least 2 directions. One for the invented USSR, the other for the invented West. Of course, both of them, in a single mighty impulse, fiercely hate their mode - here they are united. But apparently the question is who will get everything after the death of the regime. Who will grab all the wealth of their oligarchs.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 25 November 2020 15: 08
      +2
      They have their own country where
      European salaries
      not a native land, such Hitlerites met with bread and salt.
  • lucul
    lucul 25 November 2020 09: 06
    +6
    How can you live on such a penny? They brought the country ... one word - Romanians ...

    Read something for the development of Mark Twain "The Adventures of the Yankees at the Court of King Arthur", where the author chews on the basics of economics, and that higher wages do not mean higher welfare at all ...
  • Pereira
    Pereira 25 November 2020 09: 17
    +3
    Let them come to us. Get rich.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 25 November 2020 15: 10
      +1
      We already have enough janitors.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 25 November 2020 11: 11
    +6
    Quote: Doccor18
    The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities.

    If Zgureanu is reassured by this, then Romania is not alone ...

    Truly so.
    There used to be a tavern and a church in the village. The communists came to the village, drove out the priest and the tavern owner and built a house of culture, a library, a kindergarten, a nursery, a post office, a hospital, a school, a state farm, and gave everyone a job. The liberals came to the village, drove out the communists and remained in the village a tavern and a church.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 27 November 2020 15: 16
    -2
    Quote: Doccor18
    Zgureanu believes that the state has proved powerless to deal with the danger hanging over it. The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities. Industry - production. Infrastructure - bridges, roads and railways.

    Capitalism is like that .. why does it need educated people, healthy pensioners ..
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 November 2020 07: 57
    +6
    We also need Moldavia to add them. And where are they going? Another country of accelerated decay ... Why are they so unlucky? Maybe they chose the wrong road. Have you wandered into the swamp?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 November 2020 08: 20
      +7
      We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy!
      Many people need to think hard about this!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 12
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Maybe they chose the wrong road. Have you wandered into the swamp?

      They put it on the wrong horse. Europe does not need them, and the United States does not give money or Schengen. And what should they do? If only with Moldova, instead of asking for a part of Transnistria.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 25 November 2020 07: 59
    +11
    I don't know what about Romanian children, but Romania regularly supplies Roma and their children to the EU. What is very much the EU itself and annoying. wink Well, what did you want? Multiculturalism - well, that's the way He is.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 25 November 2020 09: 06
      0
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Roma and their children - Romania regularly supplies the EU. What is very much the EU itself and annoying.

      Interesting things, but what are the gypsies worse than the Arabs?
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 25 November 2020 09: 16
        +9
        Quote: Dym71

        Interesting things, but what are the gypsies worse than the Arabs?

        Interestingly, did I write somewhere that they are worse or better ???
        I am only saying that the Romanian Roma have flooded the EU, thus causing the EU persistent irritation (they do not want to work, they beg and increase the crime rate). Sorry Arabs in Romania No request
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 25 November 2020 09: 32
          +3
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Did I write somewhere that they are better or worse ???

          You wrote that the EU is annoying though:
          Quote: Hunter 2
          do not want to work, beg and increase the crime rate

          one to one characteristic of Arab refugees in the same EU.
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Sorry Arabs in Romania No

          There will be! Down and Out trouble started. bully
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 25 November 2020 11: 03
            +3
            Quote: Dym71
            There will be! Down and Out trouble started.

            Arabs and blacks go to those countries where the welfare is higher and where the state gives good subsidies, especially where they give not for the family, but for each family member.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 25 November 2020 11: 07
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Arabs and blacks go to those countries where the welfare is higher and where the state gives good subsidies

              Freebies will not last forever and they will be sent to the same Romania, I did not find actual data, and in 2017 Romania accepted 1330 refugees.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 25 November 2020 12: 10
                +2
                Quote: Dym71
                Freebie is not eternal and they will be sent to the same Romania

                Now the refugee has gone picky, go wherever better and richer. I come to Romania like this, settle down, receive a document, and then move to favorable countries, and even where their diaspora is strong.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: Dym71
        Interesting things, but what are the gypsies worse than the Arabs?

        Well, the gypsies are not nationalists or terrorists, they sing their romances, and fervently dance, they sell drugs all over Europe and Russia. And so it seems that they were not noticed by another (I forgot, they don't run around cities with Turkish flags.)
  • Runoway
    Runoway 25 November 2020 08: 02
    +4
    It took 10 years for enlightenment! Still, what is the power of Western fairy tales and belief in themgood
    1. Horon
      Horon 25 November 2020 08: 58
      +1
      There is no enlightenment there, just a statement of facts without conclusions.
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 25 November 2020 08: 03
    +4
    We joined the EU and NATO over 10 years ago, and nothing since then!

    Nobody needs us ... Not even ourselves. From Taka Europa
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: Olddetractor
      Nobody needs us ... Not even ourselves. From Taka Europa

      Yes, without the Schengen and the European Union in Europe in bulk, in Britain all fish factories live on Romanians. Can you imagine if the borders are opened, then they will survive the Arabs and Blacks from Europe.
      Europe cannot afford that.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 25 November 2020 08: 04
    +17
    what can I say ... a kind of half-hearted insight ...
    Ceausescu may not be a gift ... BUT Romania's national debt paid off ... that's why they lived very modestly, albeit with highways, schools and hospitals ... and agriculture in demand ... socialism is more stable than the market chaos ...
    I will say one thing about Moldova ... this is not Bessarabia ... this is an ancient state (well, for example, unlike the same Estonia and Latvia) ... with its own history ... rulers ... and the history is separate from Romania ... although and there is ethnic affinity ...
    so sit ... grieve ... and little by little start to rethink Ceausescu's contribution ... it's time
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2020 08: 05
    +1
    Woke up!
    Where have you been lately? What was the government doing?
    The Chinese, too, "survived" thirty years ago, but managed to get together and choose the right path.
    Few people and fossils?
    Switzerland and Cyprus have created economic development models.
    I agree - it is difficult for states that are not large and not rich initially to find their place under the sun, but there are examples. And to cry ... It's too late to cry.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 November 2020 08: 33
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Where have you been lately? What was the government doing?

      I regularly purchased, mainly American, weapon systems, starting from '96, if I am not mistaken: I was very pleased with the air defense command and lockheed by buying radars for 80 lyams. Further more....
      1. cniza
        cniza 25 November 2020 09: 28
        +5
        Now they will start looking for the culprit and go in a circle ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 25 November 2020 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I agree - it is difficult for states that are not large and not rich initially to find their place under the sun, but there are examples.

      So it’s necessary to work! And you want everything at once. And now only bite your elbows, realizing that you have lost
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        25 November 2020 08: 48
        +5
        This is how they work, though in Western Europe
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2020 11: 01
          -1
          When I was in Poland, I heard mention of these "workers" in a private conversation. The Polish master waved his hand hopelessly - not only is the language problem (it is easier with Belarusians and Ukrainians), there is also a "gap" in knowledge. As an example, when a plug with a grounding "finger" was not included in the carrier, the Romanian worker did not change the extension cord. He just broke the "interfering" part!
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 25 November 2020 08: 06
    +6
    Maybe Russia is not such a threat?
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  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 25 November 2020 08: 11
    +3
    There is such a tidbit nearby ... Moldova, and behind it Ukraine, have something to dream about and something to strive for for Romanians.
  • soul
    soul 25 November 2020 08: 16
    +22
    Well, Romania wanted to say goodbye to its socialist past and join market capitalism. You are welcome! Only knowledge was not enough ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 November 2020 08: 22
    +1
    We joined the EU and NATO over 10 years ago, and nothing since then! Even Schengen was not obtained.
    Try to explain this to the residents of Moldova and especially Ukraine, who live with the dream of joining the EU. Although they still won't understand, tk. there is a complete blackout in the brains and a willingness to do anything just not with Russia. True, the Romanians still have a dream - to grab the territory of Moldova and a piece of Ukraine.
    1. Potomac
      Potomac 25 November 2020 08: 59
      -1
      In Ukraine, only the most inveterate romantics dream of the EU. They rather want to join NATO.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 25 November 2020 10: 10
      +2
      Try to explain this to the residents of Moldova and especially Ukraine, who live with the dream of joining the EU.

      Albania has long been a member of NATO, and has been waiting for EU membership since 2014. Also a great power.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 25 November 2020 08: 24
    +9
    The author's conclusions are honest and objective, and apply to all former republics of the former USSR. They remained at the broken trough, in embroidered shirts and with pans on their heads. Moreover, national ambition and happiness is to pick up scraps from other people's tables. It doesn't matter from which tables - European or Russian.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 25 November 2020 08: 24
    0
    History repeats itself. In the mid-70s, the economic situation in the country began to deteriorate sharply: oil reserves were depleted, there was a need for early payment of debts to foreign creditors, which by 1981 amounted to $ 10 billion. The standard of living of ordinary citizens fell sharply; in 1983, the issuance of products by cards was introduced.
    Ceausescu has found a wonderful solution to replenish the treasury. The emigration of Jews was turned into a commercial enterprise: for every Jew who wanted to leave the country, the Romanian authorities received a ransom from Israel. In total, the repatriation of Romanian Jews cost Israel $ 110 million. During this period, more than 40 thousand Jews left the country, for each the Israeli side paid 2,5-3,3 thousand dollars.
    By today's standards, the money is not that big, but back in the 80s, it was quite an impressive amount.
    Now that the supplies of the Jews are depleted, laughing I can't even imagine how the Romanians will start pulling their economy out of such a deep depression. lol lol
    1. Jager
      Jager 25 November 2020 08: 51
      +7
      For the export of Jews? Adolf would clearly be surprised at this approach)
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 25 November 2020 09: 06
        +1
        Quote: Jager
        For the export of Jews? Adolf would clearly be surprised at this approach)

        Wouldn't be. I already said that history repeats itself.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 25 November 2020 09: 22
        0
        Quote: Jager
        For the export of Jews? Adolf would clearly be surprised at this approach)

        Why should he be surprised, with him everything began, and then it became a common practice for the Zionists.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 25 November 2020 10: 59
          +2
          Quote: Dym71
          it all began with him, and then became a common practice of the Zionists.

          It has not become common practice, but the Jews try not to abandon their own. For example, in 2011, 1027 Arabs were released from prison for one of their captive corporal, more than 400 of whom were convicted on charges of terrorism and the murder of about 600 Israelis.
          There is even such an anecdote:
          1 kilogram = 1000 grams
          1 kilobytes = 1024 bytes
          1 Jew = 1027 Arabs



          It does not always work out, for various reasons, but where they can, they try. hi
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 25 November 2020 11: 22
            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            Has not become common practice

            Hungary - $ 1 for an emigrant, Bulgaria - $ 350, Iraq - $ 1 million for 1246 Iraqi Jews, are there not enough examples for you?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 25 November 2020 11: 34
              0
              Quote: Dym71
              Hungary - $ 1 for an emigrant, Bulgaria - $ 350, Iraq - $ 1 million for 1246 Iraqi Jews, are there not enough examples for you?

              First, it only confirms my thesis that the Jews try not to leave their own people in trouble.
              Secondly, Jews from nearly 80 countries live in Israel. Thanks be to the Lord, not everyone had to pay dictators and despotism.
              Thirdly, in Israel, as you know, for 70 years there has been a Law of Return, which proclaims the right of every Jew to repatriate to the State of Israel. Accordingly, the State will do everything in its power to ensure that this right can be exercised. hi
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 25 November 2020 12: 15
                0
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Thanks be to the Lord, not everyone had to pay dictators and despotism.

                For everyone, the cost of traffic and arrangement in a new place has not been canceled, another thing is that it is worth lamenting (mentioning the creator in vain) about the costs of long-term investments?
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 25 November 2020 14: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Dym71
                  For everyone, the cost of traffic and arrangement in a new place has not been canceled, another thing is that it is worth lamenting (mentioning the creator in vain) about the costs of long-term investments?

                  These are two different things. Here, this is called the "absorption basket". Repatriates are our wealth.
                  I don’t mind any expenses. Everything will pay off over time. I just wish Russia to accept all those who returned regardless of the expenses. hi
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 25 November 2020 16: 34
            -1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            1 Jew = 1027 Arabs
            If you count the number of those killed, there are fewer.
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy 25 November 2020 09: 05
      +1
      Demography will definitely not be able to raise for the time being, which means that the economy will collapse
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 25 November 2020 18: 43
        +1
        Demographics will definitely not be able to raise for the time being, which means the economy will collapse,
        And with us, isn't it?
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 25 November 2020 18: 45
          +1
          Exactly and notice so practically everywhere, which means that those who planned to reduce the population quite assumed an economic crisis and everything is going according to their plan
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 25 November 2020 10: 15
      0
      Now that the supplies of the Jews are depleted

      Reminds of a well-known anecdote how a Jew, the chief accountant of a collective farm, was going to leave for Israel, and this was discussed at a collective farm meeting. I didn't even know that the situation was taken from life.
    4. Liam
      Liam 25 November 2020 14: 30
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      History repeats itself.

      How is it repeated? You are well aware of the method of submitting this kind of information to VO.
  • DmSol
    DmSol 25 November 2020 08: 27
    +10
    "We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy!" That is, they rejected socialism as an erroneous path of development. But then it turned out to be even worse. But at the same time, we continue to blame the communists for everything. It's just some kind of eversion of the brain.
    1. Kart
      Kart 25 November 2020 08: 45
      -1
      It was not they who threw it away, it was the USSR that threw it away (on which, as you know, all these Romania basically held on). And then, when the USSR finally got to the point, and died, it turned out that no one else wants to feed them just like that.
      1. DmSol
        DmSol 25 November 2020 09: 07
        +4
        I'm not talking about the USSR, but about the social system to which all the authorities in the post-Soviet space refer.
        1. Kart
          Kart 25 November 2020 10: 43
          -3
          Well, how is that? It was the USSR that personified precisely the system that was fundamentally different from capitalism.
          At least in words. Because in reality it turned out that without commodity-money relations nothing works and does not exist at all. And where they are, there are naturally those who have more of these commodity-money assets than the rest.
          That's all. Communism and social justice are possible in a separate, locally taken country only on condition that this country will be fed, supplied, and so on.
          In the Strugatskys' utopias "Noon, XXI century" this is done by robots, which are also built by robots. And people are engaged in science, art, research, and conduct highly moral conversations about the purpose of humanity.
          Who builds these robots, who maintains them is not explained.
    2. Jager
      Jager 25 November 2020 08: 52
      +1
      this is liberalism in action.
  • bar
    bar 25 November 2020 08: 35
    +1
    We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy! We don't have time for further delays if we don't want to miss the last train.

    It's too late to rush, the train has long gone.
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      25 November 2020 08: 54
      +1
      Why, there is still one little engine - to pump up the country with American weapons and set it up as a barrier against Russia and Turkey. Here is the current where this composition will arrive ...
      1. bar
        bar 25 November 2020 09: 04
        +1
        This locomotive also passed a long time ago, leaving behind only the missile defense base. No more "violinist" needed. And there is already a whole line of those who want to work as a barrier against Russia from cheaper countries, which are also located much closer to our borders.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 25 November 2020 08: 38
    +5
    We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy! We don't have time for further delays if we don't want to miss the last train.
    I liked about the train. In Russia, someone has already said something like that, they say you need to jump into the last car of a departing train. Summing up the results, on the territory of the post-Soviet space, including the social countries of Eastern Europe, the situation is like in the song: ".. . again the last train ran away from me and I went along the sleepers, again I was walking along the sleepers "(c) .. smile
  • APASUS
    APASUS 25 November 2020 08: 40
    +12
    A little distracted .........
    My friends lived in Hungary during the Soviet Union. There are three huge factories in the city, work, supplies, well, they just lived in paradise (from their words, of course). Then Hungary joined the EU. The factories were bought by the French, the Germans and they were safely bankrupted. Now we went to work and live in Austria.
    Essentially neo-colonialism in action
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 November 2020 09: 23
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      The factories were bought by the French, the Germans and they were safely bankrupted. Now we went to work and live in Austria.
      Essentially neo-colonialism in action


      This is exactly what awaits all who seek to join them ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 November 2020 09: 28
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        This is exactly what awaits all who seek to join them ...

        Not all.
        When the Americans needed the core of Russophobia in the EU, they quickly forgave their debts to Poland, invested money in the economy, made sure that they would not pilfer the financial flow ........... And all other countries took the place of ordinary fighters, and a fighter must be hungry - you can't drag a well-fed to war
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 November 2020 09: 40
          +2
          Poland is separate, it is destined for another path, but also not enviable ...
          And then there is Czechoslovakia, Slovakia ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 November 2020 22: 07
      0
      In Hungary in the 60-80s. there was a humane version of socialism, the so-called goulash socialism, with elements of capitalism.
  • Bolo
    Bolo 25 November 2020 08: 49
    -7
    Is this article exactly about Romania? Or maybe look at Putin's Russian village somewhere in Transbaikalia and understand that the Romanians are still in chocolate! And the mainstream is in ...?
    1. DmSol
      DmSol 25 November 2020 09: 10
      +3
      this is an article about Romania.
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    3. cniza
      cniza 25 November 2020 09: 21
      +3
      My dear man, what are you talking about?
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 26 November 2020 01: 24
      0
      Well, if their capitals are compared with some of the most impoverished villages of the Russian Federation, then they are certainly better, although the villages themselves live and these are incomplete, the bodies in a coma, living due to the introduction of multibillion-dollar euro subsidies, the village will continue to exist and these colonies without tens of billions from the outside will be blown away the same.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 25 November 2020 08: 50
    +3
    "We can no longer blame communism and a difficult legacy! We have no time for further delays if we do not want to miss the last train."
    Is it about Romania or Russia?
  • Graz
    Graz 25 November 2020 08: 55
    +5
    We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy!

    because after communism you had a legacy, after 30 years of European fraternization NOTHING
  • comradChe
    comradChe 25 November 2020 09: 04
    +2
    Vague doubts gnaw at me. What does it look like ...?!
  • cniza
    cniza 25 November 2020 09: 08
    +4
    We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy! We don't have time for further delays if we don't want to miss the last train.


    You came to the wrong station ...
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 26 November 2020 01: 27
      0
      He ran to the platform,
      I got into the uncoupled car,
      He brought in knots and suitcases,
      He put them under the couches,
      I sat down in the corner in front of the window
      And fell asleep in a restful sleep.
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 25 November 2020 09: 10
    +1
    To pity you? Get in line for the Ukrainians. This is one!
    "... about the need to ensure regional security in the face of a threat from Russia" - a lot of honor. This is two!
    Let's go to the ass! - It's three ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 November 2020 09: 10
    +4
    Do not fucking whine to mamalyzhnikami, what they wanted, they got it - gayropean values ​​and poverty.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 November 2020 09: 17
    +5
    As he points out, the huge public debt does not allow the country to direct any significant funds to economic recovery. Soon all finances will be spent only on current expenses, leaving no reserves for investment. In his words, the last 30 years in the life of the state have led only to chaos, which has yet to be fully comprehended:

    But you go on kissing the "good" grin of world imperialism. For "you", Stalin's socialism was a burden ... They would have lived as in China ...
    But you still fully comprehend ... Time will dot all the points on E ...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 25 November 2020 14: 18
      -1
      .Would live like in China.
      They would pay for elementary education, for each kilometer traveled on a personal car, on the Internet through censors. wassat
  • prior
    prior 25 November 2020 09: 32
    +2
    It seems to me, my friends, that the article is ordered.
    To prevent Moldovans from twitching towards Romania, the author tells how bad things are in Romania.
    You wouldn't have to write this if it were much better in Russia.
    1. pyagomail.ru
      pyagomail.ru 25 November 2020 10: 06
      -2
      Do not offend the Moldovans - they did the right thing by choosing Sandu. They realized that they themselves cannot raise the country - there are no resources, that neither Europe (with the USA), nor Russia, nor China are eager to make Moldova a second Switzerland - why? There is only one thing left (like the Poles, the Balts, the Ukrainians, etc.) to make their way to Europe: to wash the toilet bowls, take care of the elderly, sex services as well (I have never heard of Moldovan programmers, cybernetics, great engineers). Well, if you manage to get citizenship, then life is good!
      Regarding how bad it is in Russia: they recently bought a washing machine (the former German "Bosch" refused after 10 years of service), in the "Boshi", "Indesity" and other "Kandy" stores - everything is made in Russia - not a single Romanian machine It was! Regarding how bad it is in the Russian countryside: under the USSR they bought grain, now Russia is the largest exporter of wheat. I am not a "zaputinets", I am a "zorossievts" 1
      1. prior
        prior 25 November 2020 10: 16
        +1
        We do not know and will never know the choice of Moldovans. We know the results of the elections. And these are two big differences. Many people and many countries are now in the position of choice, in the position of Moldovans. And Ukraine vaskaryaku, and Belarus, and Armenia, and Georgia and in Central Asia. And most of the Russian youth is faced with a choice - to leave or stay.
        It is not correct to compare what was in the USSR and what is now. It's like comparing China during the USSR and China today, heaven and earth.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 25 November 2020 12: 28
        -3
        Quote: pyagomail.ru
        I am not a "zaputinets", I am a "zorossievts" 1

        And what "zaputintsy" already zapadlo?
        shop "Boshi", "Indesity" and other "Kandy" - all made in Russia

        Maybe all the same in China.
        Under the USSR, grain was purchased, now Russia is the largest exporter of wheat.

        Under the USSR, grain was also sold. At the same time, the share of imported components for grain production in the USSR was negligible, which cannot be said about the present time. The main fleet of tractors - import or "Lend-Lease" assembly, harvesters too, agricultural machines 50/50, consumables, oils, spare parts. Seeds, herbicides, pesticides, storage and transportation equipment - the lion's share - are imported. That is, in order to sell something unnecessary, you first need to buy something necessary. The agricultural sector of the USSR, with all its shortcomings, provided jobs for very many in the countryside and the city. Agricultural RF is "not about good or bad for the Russian village" which gets crumbs, first of all, the profit of holdings and sellers. "Hurray" of course you can shout, but to draw conclusions about some kind of super-breakthrough is still frivolous.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 26 November 2020 12: 26
          +1
          The main thing is that there is no deficit in the country - and what to whom to buy it is up to each manufacturer, the farmer decides for himself individually, he has a wide choice, like everyone else, in everything - which was not in the USSR.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 26 November 2020 13: 10
            0
            Have you already bought a lot of non-scarce mansions, diamonds and Rolls-Royces?
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 27 November 2020 11: 08
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            The main thing is that there is no deficit in the country

            We sold grain - we bought Western equipment. One with a plow in the Russian Federation provided 10 high-tech jobs in the west. Hooray!.
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  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 November 2020 09: 50
    0
    We joined the EU and NATO over 10 years ago, and nothing since then! Even Schengen was not obtained.
    But on the other hand, the American and Romanian military conducted joint firing from multiple launch rocket systems at targets in the Black Sea,
  • alexa100974
    alexa100974 25 November 2020 11: 28
    +1
    I'll leave it on top.
    I would like to inform everyone that European salaries are also discussed in Belarus.
    So, in the course of the discussion, it was found out that the salary that propagandists poke at in the amount of 1075 euros (or 97000 Russian rubles) is the GROSS salary (dirty, before taxes). And taxes on salaries in Romania are approx. 40%.
    And then peramoga in the amount of 1075 euros turns into a zrada in the amount of 645 euros))))
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 26 November 2020 06: 46
      0
      Of the dozens of my friends, there is not one who would not dream of a salary of 645 euros
  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 25 November 2020 11: 32
    -1
    Why look at this Romania? In Russia, everything is also heading towards this!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 November 2020 11: 53
      0
      It doesn't work for you - factories, factories and other infrastructure are being built by Veda, and it’s just to us that people from all over the CIS are coming to us to earn money.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 25 November 2020 12: 19
    +1
    These are the same all with enemies fighting. They have one enemy: an empty head.
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 25 November 2020 12: 33
    +1
    "We cut down the forests, we replaced the crops with sand dunes [...] All we have to do is poison the wells. Wait, we must first import the poison we no longer produce ..."
    Don't worry about poison, Americans have been urinating in your wells for a long time
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 November 2020 12: 56
    +1
    They did not want the communist system, they got the 4th Reich-Economic .. He has the same plans as the previous one, only the ways to achieve the goal are slightly more human ..
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 25 November 2020 13: 00
    +1
    Ceausescu, in a tough economy, brought Romania out of a huge debt and was shot for this with his wife at the walls of the outhouse. The stump is clear, so that no one else from the colonies of the United States and England would take it into their head to get out of the debt hole and get rid of the financial slavery of the Fed bankers.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist 26 November 2020 06: 51
      0
      Sorry. Ceausescu too .... Americans?
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 26 November 2020 13: 25
        0
        America itself is a Fed colony.
  • Growlers
    Growlers 25 November 2020 13: 33
    0
    Moldovans forward to "great" Romania
  • U-58
    U-58 25 November 2020 14: 19
    -1
    The author "democratically" does not draw conclusions on the topic "what to do?" and sideways the topic "who is to blame?"
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 25 November 2020 14: 22
    -1
    laughing Funny they thought that the most "smart" As a joke about my husband and his wife's business trip I remember. No, no, she died, she died.

    But seriously, by the year 24, everyone who survived will walk with placards. Take us to Russia.  laughing
  • dgonni
    dgonni 25 November 2020 14: 25
    0
    I'll just leave it here! (https://www.rumaniamilitary.ro/romania-2020-incotro)
  • Alex Thinking
    Alex Thinking 25 November 2020 15: 00
    0
    Is Moldova so eager to come here with its new president? ... Flag in hand, drum on neck! HA HA!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 25 November 2020 17: 18
    +1
    Romania is now ready to hand out citizenship indiscriminately. Since they receive subsidies from the EU for this program.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 25 November 2020 18: 08
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    However, they are attracted by the cookies for the unification of Romania and Moldova.

    Will they unite with such a country? wassat Change awl for soap. European cesspool. hi
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 25 November 2020 18: 25
    0
    Why borrow if you can't give?
  • vavilon
    vavilon 25 November 2020 19: 33
    0
    And in Ukraine, Romania is still envied
    At least Romanians still have wells, but in Ukraine they don't have that anymore.
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  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 November 2020 04: 13
    +1
    - "the huge public debt does not allow the country to send any significant funds to economic recovery. Soon all finances will go only to current expenses, leaving no reserves for investment" - this is an extract for those who are buzzing about high wages in Romania. It is good to live on loans and in debt, but they have to be repaid, and what's next ???.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 26 November 2020 06: 43
    -1
    The village has lost its schools, hospitals, utilities.

    Was Putin's "optimization" swept there too?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 26 November 2020 06: 45
    0
    Quote: Stas157

    So I wanted to say that our situation is better than in Romania! But ... they have an average salary of 97 thousand rubles, while ours is at the level of African countries.
    And the same negative birth rate and lagging behind the global rates of development. GDP decreases relative to the world average.

    Comparing Russia and Romania is complete nonsense. Tell us how things are with the birth rate in the Old World? Don't tell tales about the "decrease" of GDP either. At present, the decline in GDP is observed in everyone, and in Russia, it has sagged not below the world average.
    The phrase "b] is decreasing [/ b] relative to the world average" has no meaning at all.
  • meandr51
    meandr51 26 November 2020 13: 06
    0
    "We can no longer blame communism and the heavy legacy!"
    - Well, it's not capitalism to blame ...
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 26 November 2020 13: 25
    +2
    But in comparison with the neighboring country of Bulgaria, the Romanians are slightly better. Bulgarians have lost 90% of industry and most of the agricultural sector and are surviving on tourism. Bucharest is quite alive. Photo of Bucharest, where I was in 2018.
  • Bonk838
    Bonk838 26 November 2020 13: 47
    0
    Quote: prior
    It seems to me, my friends, that the article is ordered.
    To prevent Moldovans from twitching towards Romania, the author tells how bad things are in Romania.

    No, the article is not for Moldovans, the Moldovans themselves know very well what is there in Romania, how and how much (and Russian-speaking forums are not read much), an article for the Russian-speaking electorate on the eve of the parliamentary elections in Moldova, well, maybe for someone else reasoning: "since everything is very, very bad for someone, it means that we have ---- good!" With the same success, you can find an article by some Russian whiner, nostalgic, all-pervading, about how everything is bad in Russia, the government steals, the village is dying, the hard workers do not have enough money, etc. publish in the Western press, again, so that the reader would come to the conclusion: "since someone is bad .........."