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Copy & Buy: In Search of Weapons for the Army of the South

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Carr's five-shot revolver manufactured by London armory company ". Caliber .44. Pay attention to the characteristic shape of the lever for tight bullet driving under the barrel. (National Museum of American History)


When enemies attacked you, or you yourself began to fight with your enemies, you have no time to think about the rules of decency. You take on the first weapon that comes to your hand. And it doesn't matter if it was copied from the enemy's weapons or bought somewhere overseas ...

Oh, I would like to be in the country of cotton,
Where the old days are not forgotten
Turn around! Turn around! Turn around! Dixieland.
In the Dixie country where I was born,
early frosty morning ...
("Land of Dixie" is the unofficial anthem of the Confederation).

Weapons and firms. In the previous article "Copied Weapons" we talked about a number of companies that copied the popular Colt revolvers in the USA for the needs of the Confederate army. And I must say that this is only part of what happened. Just to tell about all the copied samples, you need to write a whole book, and reading, in principle, about the same will not be very interesting. After all, there were practically no original samples. The most common model for copiers was either the Navy 1851 Colt (most often) or the 1849 Dragoon Colt. However, the money received from the sale of cotton made it possible to buy weapons. And the southerners bought it. Including revolvers. And today we will tell you about them ...

Well, and probably should start with the fact that in England at that time there was a "London Arms Company". It was founded back in 1856, while among its shareholders were such famous people as Robert Adams (who designed the famous revolver) and gunsmith James Kerr (pronounced Carr), who was Adams' cousin.

The factory flourished thanks to the production of Adams revolvers. Nevertheless, in 1859, the board of the company decided to increase the production of infantry rifles and reduce the production of revolvers, which, of course, Adams did not like. He left the company, took the revolver patents with him, and sold all the revolvers he owned. So James Carr became the main figure of the company, and he developed both rifles and revolvers!

Eventually, in 1859, the company began production of a new type of revolver known as the Carr Patented Revolver. However, since the British government showed no interest in it, its sales were modest.

And then Captain Caleb Hughes, in charge of purchasing weapons for the Confederate government, arrived in London and offered Kerr a contract for the supply of all the rifles and revolvers he could produce. And it was so profitable that the company went to cancel the unfinished contract with the British government, after which Hughes immediately signed a contract with the London Arms Company. So the Confederation had a reliable partner in England, ready to supply it with weapons in almost unlimited quantities.


Sold to the southerners and French revolver L. Perrin from Paris M.1859 (2nd type) 11-mm caliber. The revolver mechanism was based on L. Perrin's patents and differed in some complexity, but on the other hand it allowed self-cocking to fire. It is also convenient in that it fired central combat cartridges. These revolvers were usually privately purchased by officers in the French army and also sold to civilians. It is not surprising, therefore, that some ended up in the United States during the Civil War. The revolver has a very beautiful solid dark walnut grip. The frame is open, like the Colt revolvers. The round barrel was 5,75 inches long. It is curious that the hammer does not have a spoke for manual cocking. It was possible to shoot from it only by self-cocking! ("Thierry de Magre")

According to surviving records, about 80 rifles and 000 revolvers were sold to Hughes. More than 9 rifles and about 000 revolvers were produced and shipped, but the exact number of weapons that got to the southerners on penetration ships that managed to break through the blockade of the Union is unknown. In any case, the London Armory has supplied more revolvers to the Confederate Army than any other manufacturer! Captain James D. Bulloch of the Confederate Navy also signed a contract with the company to supply revolvers. However, the exact terms of this contract are unknown.

The weapons supplied from England were considered to be the best supplied to the Confederation. This was confirmed by both Hughes and Bulloch, as well as a letter from the Tennessee Army in April 1863 requesting the delivery of 200 Carr revolvers and stating that they were preferable to the Spyler and Burr revolvers. The war was already over, and the London Arms Company lasted another year, that is how closely its fate intertwined with the fate of the Confederation.


Revolver Perin, model 1859 of the 2nd type, chambered for the central battle, double action, caliber 9 mm. Barrel length 92 mm, total length 200 mm. Period around 1860. It was expensive - $ 20, which was almost 2 times more than the cost of Colt revolvers. Perhaps precisely because of this, and the lack of habit of self-cocking revolvers after purchasing 1000 units, the southerners did not buy them anymore ("Thierry de Magre")

However, at first the company traded with the northerners, who in November 1861 sold 1600 revolvers for the Union army at $ 18 apiece. But this was the first and last purchase by the federal government. But this company delivered more revolvers to the Confederation than was produced by all southern manufacturers during the entire war!

Carr's five-shot revolver was very different from the revolvers produced in the United States. Firstly, all early revolvers were double-acting, that is, they could shoot self-cocking. Secondly, they were very simple in design, although the Kolt revolvers were also simple. The drum axle was removed from the rear through the frame, which was very convenient. Almost all of his revolvers were .44 or .54 caliber; very few .36 revolvers were produced.

The 7th, 8th, 12th, 18th and 35th Virginia battalions, the 24th Georgia battalion and the 8th Texas Cavalry Regiment were armed with Carr revolvers. Interestingly, Captain Tom Custer, the brother of Lieutenant Colonel George Custer, used Carr's revolver in the Battle of Little Big Horn on June 25, 1876.


Revolver "Griswold and Gunnison". Confederate cavalrymen loved the Colt revolvers of 1851 and 1860, so they were most often copied. For example, the Griswold and Gunnison revolver, which was manufactured in Griswoldsville, Georgia. From 1862 to 1864, 3606 of these revolvers were produced. They were a close copy of the Colt Model 1851 Navy: the main difference was that the Confederates had to replace the steel frame with a brass one. The Griswold & Gunnison was 13 inches long, weighed 2 pounds 6 ounces, and fired a .36 ball bullet. But the company "Spiller and Burr" produced very similar revolvers in Macon, Tennessee, and supplied to the Tennessee Army. Moreover, a total of 1250 pieces were made, although under the contract they were supposed to make 15000 of them! (Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York)

In addition, the famous Belgian gunsmith Eugene Lefauche sold his revolvers to both northerners and southerners. Shortly before the outbreak of the Civil War, he received US patent No. 31809, which extended to his revolver, as well as his rifle. Later, from September 1861 to June 1862, the Union army purchased a total of 11 model 833 revolvers from him. 1854 of these were supplied directly by Lefauche, 10 were purchased through Alexis Godillo, a gunsmith in Paris and Liege, and the remaining 000 were purchased by six other American traders. The Union Army also purchased 1500 333mm hairpin cartridges for this weapon. But some of them were still able to be produced at one of the US factories.


Revolver Lefoshe model of 1854 of the 2nd type (usually called the civilian model of 1858), hairpin cartridge, six-shot drum, 12-mm caliber. Barrel length 157 mm, total length 290 mm ("Thierry de Magre")

In fact, it is known that the Confederation imported a total of 250.000 samples of various firearms over the years of the war. But how many Lefoshe revolvers were among them is not known exactly. It is believed that from 2000 to 5000 calibers 7, 8 and 12 mm.

The curious single-action Beals pocket revolver, created in 1854 by Fordyce Beals (the ingenious gunsmith who in three years would become the creator of the excellent Remington shock revolvers), and which Eli Whitney produced and sold from 1854 to late 1860s The first model (about 50 produced) had a brass frame and .31 caliber. The second model had an iron frame and was produced in an amount of about 2300 pieces. The third had a seven-shooter drum.

Copy & Buy: In Search of Weapons for the Army of the South
Revolver scheme from E. Whitney patent

The main feature of this revolver was that its drum rotated from the movement of the trigger with the ring forward, while the trigger mechanism acted when moving backward, which was done in order, again, to bypass one of Samuel Colt's patents. The revolver proved to be difficult to use, the .28 cartridge was too weak, but nevertheless it was produced and sold during the American Civil War.


Another diagram from the F. Beals patent, explaining the action of his mechanics

The author and the site administration would like to express their deep gratitude to Madame Palomé Larcheveque, auctioneer of the auction house "Thierry de Magre", for permission to use photographs of his revolvers.
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  1. Van 16
    Van 16 17 December 2020 18: 27
    +14
    Oh. Not a great specialist in weapons, but how good it is to read a normal, good, adequate article after the straight and oblique line of the president's press conference. Unlike. Thank you!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 December 2020 18: 47
      +13
      I join your feelings. After that tub of slops, I was really waiting for news in the "weapons" section, like manna from heaven.
      Well, and to Vyacheslav Olegovich, as usual, thanks for the work in writing the article.
      1. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 17 December 2020 22: 08
        -4
        And you watch the pressures of Pan "Ze" or Mr. "Sleepy Biden" rejoice at the "life-giving" moisture of the elven truth good
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 17 December 2020 22: 35
          +6
          And why did you write this comment? I can't live with Biden. And with Ze, too. Let them hang noodles on their citizens. And I have from ours, "Doshirak", like the sideys of a rabbi.
    2. maiman61
      maiman61 17 December 2020 21: 08
      +8
      To watch THIS every year, there is simply no strength. I watched the first 2-3 performances. It is necessary to award orders to those who are able to watch this.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 December 2020 21: 29
        +6
        Quote: maiman61
        It is necessary to award orders to those who are able to watch this.

        What didn't you say before !? For the sake of the order, I would look! Now what? And without an order, and without a medal! crying
        1. maiman61
          maiman61 18 December 2020 13: 35
          +4
          But with a healthy psyche! And this is not unimportant.
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2020 18: 54
    +9
    As always, an excellent article "about weapons"! True, the article does not mention some "brands" of revolvers that were produced or purchased (!) By the Confederates ..., but Vyacheslav Olegovich may have his own plans ... therefore I will not "run across road to the red light "!
    1. kalibr
      17 December 2020 18: 59
      +10
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      there may be plans

      And they are! The series will end - I'll write about it in the last article - then go for it!
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 17 December 2020 19: 30
        +9
        Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        Regards, Vlad!
  3. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 17 December 2020 19: 43
    +6
    Where's Le Ma's revolver?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 17 December 2020 21: 05
      +6
      Where's Le Ma's revolver? Where is Le Ma's Rougeau?
      1. kalibr
        17 December 2020 21: 29
        +3
        There will be a separate article about Le Ma, he deserves it. But you try to find his photo "public domain" ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 17 December 2020 21: 48
          +5
          But try to find his photo "public domain" ...
          On the English Wikipedia.
          1. kalibr
            17 December 2020 22: 07
            +3
            Quote: Undecim
            On the English Wikipedia.

            Do you think I am unfamiliar with this source?
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 17 December 2020 22: 11
              +6
              Familiar, of course. In extreme cases, an option. As they say, in the absence of a maid, they love the cook.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 17 December 2020 22: 38
                +7
                As they say, in the absence of a maid, they love the cook.

                You express yourself very seductively, Viktor Nikolaevich ... wink you need to think about who to start with ... what
                Thank you V.O. Shpakovsky for the article, and to the participants for the discussion. Indeed, over the past day - a good article. Although I was waiting in the morning! drinks
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 17 December 2020 22: 41
                  +7
                  you need to think about who to start with ...
                  And what is there to think. Everything has been planned for a long time. No cook - go to the janitor.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 17 December 2020 22: 50
                    +6
                    No cook - go to the janitor.

                    An hour ago, the "chairman of the HOA", an active-oriented young man, came to complain about alcoholics from the floor above, who breed cockroaches. I didn't like it, honestly. negative in general, do not offer me the wipers! stop
                    No, please offer only maids! wink From 18 to 50. Beautiful .... I prefer dark ones .. weakness, my dear Man! drinks
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 17 December 2020 23: 00
                      +6
                      koi breed cockroaches
                      In the sense of "bred"? For sale, or what? Usually cockroaches do not require any effort for breeding.
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 18 December 2020 09: 25
                        +6
                        In the sense of "bred"? For sale, or what? Usually cockroaches do not require any effort for breeding.

                        Yes you are right. wink Our quarter was not built for the wealthiest citizens - in the sense, many of the settled apartments, so there are all sorts of individuals. And if you do not comply with sanitary standards .. You understand! By the way, yesterday I personally saw a cockroach. Moreover, the last time I saw them about fifteen years ago. what So they really divorce themselves ... No.
                      2. Undecim
                        Undecim 18 December 2020 09: 52
                        +5
                        Well now hold on. As soon as they understand that your food is better ...
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 18 December 2020 10: 04
                        +5
                        Well now hold on. As soon as they understand that your food is better ...

                        ... Moreau went out onto the stairs. The doorman was driving a man from the door who clearly wanted to enter the kitchen.
                        - We have no leftovers! The old man shrieked. - We eat all the scraps from the kitchen ourselves.
                        (V.S. Pikul, "To Each His Own").
                        I think, with scattered food, nevertheless, it is better for those who started these cockroaches. what The funniest thing is that garbage chutes are welded around the whole block. You see, we are afraid of rats. request But we can throw garbage in the street, in the entrances (and indeed everywhere, including the nearby beach)! angry
                        I just live near the bay, we have a beach there - stones. So, there are red-haired pasukas living there quietly! You are sitting on a pebble, and these are shuffling next to you. laughing
                2. Undecim
                  Undecim 17 December 2020 23: 10
                  +5
                  I prefer dark ones ..
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 02
                  +5
                  No, please offer only maids!


                  To your health!

              2. Catfish
                Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 09
                +5
                go to the janitor.

                With a broom, but not a janitor.

                Or, horseradish - the radish is no sweeter.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 00
            +4
            Cooks, they too, come across all different kinds.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 December 2020 00: 56
              +6
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Cooks, they too, come across all different kinds.

              Wow, hedgehog mayo !!! belay This is an argument! good
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 59
                +6
                Exactly, there will be no time for food! laughing
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 18 December 2020 01: 04
                  +5
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Exactly, there will be no time for food!

                  There is a blasphemy next to such an engine! wassat
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 18 December 2020 08: 48
                    +6
                    Gentlemen, connoisseurs of beauty! Doesn't it seem to me that the "discussion" ran into the wrong bushes? what
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 December 2020 04: 39
                    +1
                    So it's all good when it goes hunting. laughing
                  4. Lexus
                    Lexus 22 December 2020 04: 54
                    +5
                    Turbocharged is more convenient. Second breath is power! laughing
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 December 2020 04: 56
                    +1
                    With him, the main thing is not to sort it out, otherwise you will not remember a damn thing. laughing
                  6. Lexus
                    Lexus 22 December 2020 04: 58
                    +4
                    Powerful turbines are strictly monitored. Strategic reserve. This is the Law! wink
                  7. Catfish
                    Catfish 22 December 2020 04: 59
                    +1
                    Ryzhov came out about the Ustasha, went to read.
                  8. Lexus
                    Lexus 22 December 2020 05: 01
                    +6
                    Ayda brother!
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  • kalibr
    18 December 2020 16: 12
    +2
    And, mind you, Victor Nikolaevich, it was LeMa who was the most unlucky in the English Wikipedia. Well, a very miserable photo!
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 18 December 2020 16: 35
      +2
      This is yes. The photo is really not very good.
      1. kalibr
        18 December 2020 16: 57
        +2
        But what is this, Viktor Nikolaevich! Just now, at the State Historical Museum, they charged 2 rubles for a photo of the 17,500nd category (that is, from a website, not for printing on paper). For one photo, not ten! Great, huh? I wanted to pamper our readers with a photo of Galan's revolvers from the State Historical Museum, well, how ... No, as our country was a "country of fools", so it will be like this for a long time!
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 18 December 2020 18: 32
          +1
          Take the original 1873 manual with illustrations. 70 years have passed - you can use it. Moreover, if the source is indicated, according to the new laws, this is a quote, even if a picture.
          1. kalibr
            18 December 2020 19: 21
            +3
            I found very interesting, just unique photos ...
          2. Undecim
            Undecim 18 December 2020 19: 25
            +2
            We are waiting, we are waiting.
          3. kalibr
            18 December 2020 19: 27
            +3
            I will try, but such articles are very difficult to write, however, you yourself know this as well as I do.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 17 December 2020 23: 38
    +4
    Vic, hello, and what are the problems with Le Ma, I just looked - the network is full of photos and there is no problem to download them. Can't you insert it into your article?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 17 December 2020 23: 50
      +6
      There are plenty of photos, but all photos have an owner. And if the photo has no status
      public domain, then it can be used for commercial purposes only with the consent of the copyright holder. A publication on a site where there is advertising will be "commercial" in any case.
      In Runet, they have not really tackled this yet, but on the Internet they take it by the ass very quickly.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 17 December 2020 23: 57
        +6
        Clear. This means that you can't get away from them, copyright holders ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 18 December 2020 00: 06
          +6
          Chapter 70 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. Up to five million.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 10
            +6
            Mother is dear!
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 17 December 2020 21: 58
    +6
    Quote: kalibr
    There will be a separate article about Le Ma, he deserves it.

    Tady oh :)))
  • Catfish
    Catfish 17 December 2020 23: 34
    +4
    What's the problem? I probably don't get into all the intricacies of publishing articles, but VO already had an article about Le Ma dated October 28, 2014 with a detailed description and a bunch of photos. Unfortunately, the author's surname is not indicated, and in the comments there is not a single friend "drove".
    Yes, and from the side I have pumped up a bunch of photos of this revolver.
    But Le Mat itself is already inserted into toys.

    1. kalibr
      18 December 2020 06: 14
      +4
      Konstantin, after all, somewhere someone is beaten on the head, and someone gets away with it, and someone is imprisoned!
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 December 2020 21: 33
    +5
    Quote: Undecim
    Where's Le Ma's revolver? Where is Le Ma's Rougeau?

    I think that afterwards I will! About Le Ma you can't do with a couple of lines! Be patient !
    1. kalibr
      17 December 2020 21: 42
      +6
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      About Le Ma you can't do with a couple of lines!

      Exactly! Recently contacted an auction company, "give permission ...". And there is no answer ... and it often is. And how to write?
  • kalibr
    17 December 2020 21: 26
    +5
    Where is everyone? There is too much, yes, to fit into one detailed article. Or would you be satisfied with a simple listing?
  • Dimide
    Dimide 17 December 2020 19: 49
    +6
    A small special, but looking at the Perrin M1859 revolver (type 2), at first I thought that it was generally a hammerless laughing
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, as always interesting and informative
  • Undecim
    Undecim 17 December 2020 20: 44
    +7
    I will allow myself to add a little to the author, adding to the description of the disagreements between Adams and Kerr the image of Adams's revolver, which was also supplied from Britain in the army of both the North and the South.

    Adams M 1851 "Dragoon" caliber .500 (12,7 mm).
    As you can see, the revolver lacks a ramrod for equipping the drum.
    This problem was corrected in the 1854 model.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 17 December 2020 20: 59
      +6
      In 1855, Dean and Adams acquired a patent for a double-acting trigger mechanism, which was developed by Lieutenant Frederick E. Beaumont (Frederick Edward Blackett Beaumont).

      Revolver Beaumont-Adams.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 17 December 2020 21: 23
        +7
        Uv.Undecim, your comments and photos are a great addition to the article. Respect!
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 December 2020 23: 06
        +5
        Quote: Undecim
        Revolver Beaumont-Adams

        Why are you so official !? No. And let's easily (!) ... the revolver of our Beaumont-Adams! Yak can: Beaumont-Adams! yes
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 17 December 2020 23: 14
          +7
          You see, maybe someone is interested in this revolver and wants to look for information. Therefore, I try to always use the original names. And if you want, you can do it yourself into the language of your native aspens.
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 17 December 2020 22: 45
    +5
    "Dixie Land"

    “Hear the thunder from the North,
    Behold the banners of the Northmen fluttering in the South wind!
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!
    Throw them away with all your contempt
    Trample their damned union!
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!

    Forward, under the Dixie banner! Hurrah! Hurrah!
    We will fight in the land of Dixie, we will live and die for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie!

    Down with fear, do what you must
    Above are guns, lances and sabers!
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!
    Tighter rows shoulder to shoulder
    Let the protest ignite every heart with courage!
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!

    Forward, under the Dixie banner! Hurrah! Hurrah!
    We will fight in the land of Dixie, we will live and die for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie!

    Swear to your land on the altar
    Never give up or hesitate
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!
    Until the robbers are defeated
    Until the Lord's work is completed,
    To arms! To arms! To arms in the land of Dixie!

    Forward, under the Dixie banner! Hurrah! Hurrah!
    We will fight in the land of Dixie, we will live and die for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie!
    To arms! To arms! And conquer the world for Dixie! "
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 18 December 2020 05: 23
      +1
      Quote: Marine Engineer
      And conquer the world for Dixie!

      Sorry for the inappropriate question - who is Dixie? Is he your relative? As Ostap would say.
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 18 December 2020 09: 41
        +3
        This word was used to designate all the southern states of the United States.
        In this context, "native land - Motherland", for
        protection of which weapons were purchased.
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 18 December 2020 10: 14
          +2
          Quote: Marine Engineer
          This word was used to designate all the southern states of the United States.
          In this context, "native land - Motherland", for
          protection of which weapons were purchased.

          Homeland, of course, is good, but it would be interesting to know the etymology. Fast Internet browsing did not give anything. Dixieland - "Dixie land" is coming out. On the other hand, there is jazz band.
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 18 December 2020 13: 35
            +2
            I would ask those who went into battle with these words.
            Of the current ones, no one knows 100%.
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2020 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: Marine Engineer
      Forward, under the Dixie banner! Hurrah! Hurrah!

      It would be better if a video with this song was inserted than a translation. Four minutes in total. The southerners have a lot of beautiful songs, in some cases, in music, completely identical to the military marches of the blue, as an example, "For Bails". Sorry to invade your territory ...
      1. Fat
        Fat 18 December 2020 14: 17
        +2
        PS. Four Bales - gray variant (southerners)
      2. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 18 December 2020 15: 53
        +2
        "Sorry to invade your territory ..."

        No problems.
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2020 16: 02
          +1
          Well .. oh ... lol how many people, so many opinions ...
  • alkamun
    alkamun 17 December 2020 23: 48
    +4
    I understand that the article is exclusively about weapons, but I wonder which side does he have more sympathy for, the Yankees or the Confederates?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 48
      +8
      He loves beer. laughing
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 18 December 2020 12: 39
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        He loves beer.

        It would be nice ... hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 18 December 2020 12: 42
          +3
          And you, my friend, however, are a prankster ... yes
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 18 December 2020 12: 47
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            And you, my friend, however, are a prankster ...

            Nothing human is alien ... hi
            Although, to be honest, I am rather indifferent to beer.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 18 December 2020 12: 54
              +4
              I, too, have drunk my barrel for a long time, and my wife loves. especially for a fish. ))
              1. Fat
                Fat 18 December 2020 14: 58
                +2
                Quote: Sea Cat
                I, too, have drunk my barrel for a long time, and my wife loves. especially for a fish. ))

                Oh ..., a 60-ton rail tanker ... It's pointless to argue ... drinks crying
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 18 December 2020 15: 26
                  +2
                  What to do, life is a difficult thing. laughing drinks
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 18 December 2020 15: 55
                    +4
                    _Life is serious? Very serious, but not entirely. (C) ..... Excuse me? I am filled with sympathy for you and the company for the non-lethal love for Life .... And what to do? I myself am ...)))) drinks
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 18 December 2020 16: 15
                      +3
                      And you roll up on History in Ryzhov's article about the Croats, there is just now full of entertainment going on. smile
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 18 December 2020 16: 36
                        +2
                        Thanks, True, I read it. The article is cool. Are you a fisherman? ... Don't, don't think of anything! Throw a stone - the perches are nearby ... I'm watching! laughing
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 18 December 2020 16: 38
                        +3
                        No, fishing is not my thing at all.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 18 December 2020 19: 27
          +3
          I’m not really a fan of beer, but I respect quality beer. It not only hits the "balls", but refreshes
    2. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2020 16: 10
      +2
      Which one? What sort? request
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 December 2020 16: 17
        +3
        This is for him, I do not know. request drinks
        1. Fat
          Fat 18 December 2020 18: 10
          0
          Oh, too! And suddenly, the favorite brandy of Oleg Vcheslavovich does not coincide, for example, with the favorite variety of Madeira by Viktor Nikolaevich ..... I am shy ...
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 December 2020 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: Sea Cat
      He loves beer. laughing

      All of you are lying, he loves cats !!! wink
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 December 2020 20: 53
        +2
        All of you are lying, he loves cats !!!


        With beer !!! laughing drinks
  • kalibr
    18 December 2020 11: 22
    +2
    Of course to the Yankees. The Confederates are a purely ornamental breed. No future. And people without a future ... why should I have sympathy for them.
  • Fat
    Fat 18 December 2020 14: 48
    +3
    Quote: alkamun
    I understand that the article is exclusively about weapons, but I wonder which side does he have more sympathy for, the Yankees or the Confederates?

    By and large, this is not important ... The abolition of slavery was inevitable, but the process itself, against the background of scientific and technical transformations, is something ... Where ordinary cynicism cannot get off ...
  • Catfish
    Catfish 18 December 2020 00: 46
    +5
    The frame is open, like the Colt revolvers.


    Somehow it doesn't seem like it was open. smile



    Vyacheslav, in any case, many thanks for the new article. good drinks
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 18 December 2020 01: 28
      +6
      It's just that Vyacheslav Olegovich was a little mistaken. Right " Revolver L. Perrin from Paris M.1859 (2nd type) caliber 11 mm. " looks like that. And it really is an open frame.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 18 December 2020 01: 52
        +6
        And in the photo in the article Revolver Perrin Mod. 1870, Versuch der frz. Armee.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 18 December 2020 03: 12
          +5
          Now everything is clear, just a mistake. smile
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 18 December 2020 14: 56
        +2
        VN: "the one who does nothing is not mistaken." You will always add if the author forgets or makes a mistake
  • vladcub
    vladcub 18 December 2020 14: 53
    +3
    Q. Oh, thanks for the interesting work.
    I always believed that self-cocking appeared 50 years later
    1. kalibr
      18 December 2020 16: 07
      +1
      Yes, Svyatoslav, my job is very interesting. I've learned so much too ... But it's especially interesting to work with auction houses. Some have ... dozens of weapons by year. Can you imagine? And their descriptions. You can't take it, but it's very interesting to read. It's only a shame that you won't take it. Some show both assembly and disassembly and all the details. But ... "fuck you".
  • vladcub
    vladcub 18 December 2020 15: 14
    +1
    Quote: Van 16
    Oh. Not a great specialist in weapons, but how good it is to read a normal, good, adequate article after the straight and oblique line of the president's press conference. Unlike. Thank you!

    I didn't expect Peskov to hypothesize. I always thought he would not be a smart idiot, but he can hypnotize! That's cool
  • vladcub
    vladcub 18 December 2020 15: 15
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    I, too, have drunk my barrel for a long time, and my wife loves. especially for a fish. ))

    Mine will drink once in 100 years and that's it
    1. Fat
      Fat 18 December 2020 19: 25
      0
      Svyatoslav, even if you are wrong, it does not matter. You believe your spouse, and this is COOL. I confess there is something to envy ...