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American military historian spoke about the "Armenian Maginot line" in Karabakh

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American military historian spoke about the "Armenian Maginot line" in Karabakh

The Armenians created an echeloned defense line in Nagorno-Karabakh and were confident that the Azerbaijani army would not be able to overcome it. However, when this happened, the Armenian generals were shocked, writes American military historian Tom Cooper.


Cooper analyzed military operations during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh and came to the conclusion that the statements of some "experts" that the war was won alone by Azerbaijani special forces and attack drones, and the army units had failed, are completely wrong.

According to Cooper, the situation was completely different: the Armenian military built their own "Maginot Line" and "became obsessed with keeping it." The very line of defense was 2-5 km long, in some places 10 km deep. The Karabakh Defense Army believed that they would be safe behind this line. Due to their location, these positions made it possible in the first days of the war to inflict great damage on the Azerbaijani army.

Cooper writes that at the beginning of the war, Azerbaijani units did not go into a frontal attack on the Armenian "Maginot Line", but tried to defeat it with artillery and using drones. At the same time, attempts were made to occupy the commanding heights and reach the flanks of the Armenian troops, which ultimately happened.

And when certain strongholds were occupied, the line of defense of Armenia was broken (...) By accident or deliberately (perhaps the Armenian high command really was so stupid that it left its southern flank too unprotected) they broke through in the south

- he writes.

The Armenians made or made a mistake at the operational level, the author says. They were so convinced that the Azerbaijanis would not be able to pass through their fortified line that when the Azerbaijanis did it, the Armenians were shocked. And instead of sending reinforcements there and establishing a new line of defense to defend Hadrut, they rushed into a counterattack, which the Azerbaijanis immediately defeated.

After that, the Armenians lost control of the war, which ultimately led to the loss of territories, the author sums up.
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  1. Yujanin
    Yujanin 24 November 2020 10: 51
    +16
    In other words, Armenians are excellent pavers.
    1. withoutreverse
      withoutreverse 24 November 2020 11: 03
      +16
      ex-Minister of Defense of Armenia Colonel General Seyran Ohanyan is known for the construction of a system of defensive fortifications in the occupied territories of Azerbaijan,
      which the Armenian propaganda called "Ohanian's unbreakable line." But the servicemen of the Azerbaijan Army crushed and broke through this line during counter-offensive operations.

      the commander of the second motorized rifle battalion of the infamous 366th regiment, Major Seyran Ohanyan participated in the destruction of the civilian population of the Azerbaijani city of Khojaly in Karabakh in February 1992.
      1. withoutreverse
        withoutreverse 24 November 2020 11: 14
        +14
        According to the head of the Armenian defense department, he always repeated that the quantity is not related to the level of training. “You can have a large number of armored vehicles, but not be ready for combat. But you can have a small amount of equipment, but skillfully prepare them for the defense of the state, ”the minister stressed.
        but it turned out to be a demagogue .. and a chatterbox.


        1. Machito
          Machito 24 November 2020 11: 45
          +11
          This Cooper has never been to France and has never seen the Maginot Line. In Karabakh, there was Ohanyan's line: no bunkers, no camouflage and air defense, etc.
          1. withoutreverse
            withoutreverse 24 November 2020 14: 01
            +10
            In Karabakh, we saw a new type of war, in which robotic, remotely controlled equipment and high-precision weapons played an important role. This conflict should become the object of close study of thinkers in specialized military institutions, primarily in terms of understanding the balance of the forces and means used. This military campaign had the character of an asymmetric conflict, during which the opponents were at different levels of technical development and, accordingly, sought different methods of fighting each other.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 November 2020 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: withoutreverse
        which Armenian propaganda called "Ohanian's unbreakable line"

        There were "Siegfried Lines and Hitler's Lines", but Yegorov and Kantaria raised the flag over the Reichstag, and after that "It's too late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys fell off."
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 November 2020 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: Yujanin
      In other words, Armenians are excellent pavers.

      I remember in our village the Armenians built well cowsheds and pigsties, and in the evenings they fried shashlyk.
    3. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 24 November 2020 11: 55
      +7
      Bad, in Siberia everyone groans from the "quality" of the repair of these brigades.
  2. Leeds
    Leeds 24 November 2020 10: 52
    +18
    "Defense line 2-5 km wide" shtooooo? What isthmus did they defend in the whole of Karabakh?
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 24 November 2020 10: 57
      +12
      Yes, the author writes complete nonsense ...
    2. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 24 November 2020 22: 27
      -1
  3. KKND
    KKND 24 November 2020 10: 52
    +7
    The Armenians made or made a mistake at the operational level, the author says. They were so convinced that the Azerbaijanis would not be able to pass through their fortified line that when the Azerbaijanis did it, the Armenians were shocked. And instead of sending reinforcements there and establishing a new line of defense to defend Hadrut, they rushed into a counterattack, which the Azerbaijanis immediately defeated.

    More tales of another expert. It is necessary to print all of them in turn on VO. Chinese, American. Polish, Indian, our "thieves" need to print several pieces at once, Israeli, British ..... The discussion should not stop. And it doesn't matter that the source of information may well be a journalistic "virtual". Well, the site went for "massiveness" - reap the benefits, as expected.
    1. deniso
      deniso 24 November 2020 11: 03
      +7
      This is definitely noticed, the mega experts are already tired, it remains to ask the opinion of the Indians and other peoples to know the fullness of their opinion about the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 November 2020 11: 52
        +3
        Quote: denis obuckov
        This is definitely noticed, mega experts are already tired, it remains to ask the opinion of the Indians

        And what is there to write if the war is lost. It's like in boxing, we entered the ring, left hook - knockout. And then, as it were, they did not prove that the loser could win, nonsense. Knackout, face to floor, and counting to nine.
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 24 November 2020 16: 22
      0
      This is not a hexperd. This author could not translate
  4. tlauicol
    tlauicol 24 November 2020 11: 04
    +6
    The very line of defense was 2-5 km long

    oh okay
  5. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 24 November 2020 11: 10
    0
    The "NKR Army" (Nagorno-Karabakh) - did not create an air defense system - which would cover the "defense line". The fact that UAVs carried out raids from the air - no excuse - a statement of fact obsolescence air defense systems. The fact that Azerbaijan is armed with Turkish UAVs was known in advance, but the air defense system of NKR and Armenia ... was preparing for the past battles and most likely hoped for quick help... from the "new friends" side. Could the "NKR armies" at least arm themselves with suicide drones
    cube-uav
    For retaliatory strikes, that would be the same to knock out the enemy's technique and keep him from attacks ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 November 2020 11: 50
      +6
      Quote: cat Rusich
      The fact that UAVs carried out raids from the air is not an excuse - but a statement of the fact that the air defense system is outdated.

      More precisely, absence air defense systems... In fact, the air defense missile systems fought every man for himself. The same "Thor" was not covered by anything: as soon as he curled up and drove off into cover, he was immediately hit by the UAV. And all this time a reconnaissance UAV was following the "Thor" with impunity.
  6. Yujanin
    Yujanin 24 November 2020 11: 26
    +1
    Here is the case. It looks like we are on the eve of a grand nix

    Armenia has not yet withdrawn its troops from the Kalbajar region - less than a day is left before the failure of Azerbaijan's ultimatum.
    They say God loves a trinity. But I think that this proverb has nothing to do with the Armenian army in Kelbajar.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 24 November 2020 11: 35
    +3
    It was striking that in this conflict mines were not used or were used very little. At the beginning of the conflict, there were two detonations of Azerbaijani tanks and that's it.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 24 November 2020 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      It was striking that in this conflict mines were not used or were used very little. At the beginning of the conflict, there were two detonations of Azerbaijani tanks and that's it.

      Alternatively, the Azerbaijanis knew the place of their installation. If during the hostilities the Armenians put the equipment almost openly, then in peacetime the sappers did not even have to bother with secrecy.
    2. Yujanin
      Yujanin 24 November 2020 12: 10
      0

      It was striking that in this conflict mines were not used or were used very little. At the beginning of the conflict, there were two detonations of Azerbaijani tanks and that's it.

      According to the informed comrade, the Armenians have nothing left in the abandoned military depots. Those. there was everything except mines.
      Several mines were found only near the highway to Shusha. The Armenians did not have time to bury it. And then the anti-tank plastic TM-62R. In the Khojavend direction, the same landscape is TM-62D.
      Only in the Agderin direction after 2016 they laid out up to 30000 on the hills.
      In addition, while leaving, the Armenians mined the Azerbaijani cemetery.
      In general, there are a lot of mines. The engineering troops have work for 10 years.
  8. Yujanin
    Yujanin 24 November 2020 11: 39
    0
    Maybe someone is interested. In particular, admins.
    Below is a video showing the place where 2 Armenian "Smerch" launchers were destroyed. This is in the Agdam region. The village of Aliagaly.

    Looks like the fire brigade is also covered.
    1. Bakinec
      Bakinec 24 November 2020 12: 00
      +4
      Despite all the evidence (the destroyed Smerch installations in Aghdam, the TOP in Khojavend - which were acquired by Armenia in 2019, crowds of mothers in front of the building of the Armenian Defense Ministry), still some Bagdasarovs and Pegovs claim that Armenia did not help the Karabakh Armenians. And the "Parzakh heroes" themselves single-handedly opposed the Azerbaijan-Turkey-Syrian-Pakistani-Afghan-Ishil-Martian alliance.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 24 November 2020 12: 13
        -3
        Quote: Bakinec
        Despite all the evidence (the destroyed Smerch installations in Aghdam, the TOP in Khojavend - which were acquired by Armenia in 2019, crowds of mothers in front of the building of the Armenian Defense Ministry), still some Bagdasarovs and Pegovs claim that Armenia did not help the Karabakh Armenians. And the "Parzakh heroes" themselves single-handedly opposed the Azerbaijan-Turkey-Syrian-Pakistani-Afghan-Ishil-Martian alliance.

        ===
        yes, there is a speck in someone else's eye, but in his own barmaleev did not notice
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec 24 November 2020 12: 29
          +3
          Proof, please. Just not the fairy tales of the Armenian radio and the addressless statements of representatives of different states.
          1. kirillovleva
            kirillovleva 24 November 2020 20: 26
            -3
            With all due respect - not "unaddressed statements", but statements, for a start, of the Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia, representatives of the USA, France and Germany. Or who to believe - Turkey buying oil from Daesh?
            There are even prisoners. And different states, dear, are those that have existed in this world for a dozen or two years. And it is not known whether they will continue to exist (or become someone's province).
            It's a pity to hear this from a Baku resident, I was there in 2014, a beautiful city, kind people ...
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 24 November 2020 21: 08
              +1
              Which of my words did you dislike Monsieur. Demanding proof and not believing fake news, isn't that bad. When did the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia accused Azerbaijan of using terrorists? I repeat - exactly Azerbaijan? Provide evidence or admit that I am right and the statement was exactly addressless. Azerbaijan blamed only Macron. But after Aliyev demanded evidence or an apology, he fell silent.
              As for the prisoners, Armenians can show such "prisoners" in hundreds. But not because they exist, but because there are hundreds (maybe thousands) of Syrian Armenians refugees in Armenia, using which you can shoot hundreds of films about "captive barmaley".
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 25 November 2020 12: 16
            0
            Quote: Bakinec
            Evidence you are welcome. Only not tales of Armenian radio and unaddressed statements of representatives of different states.

            ===
            why do you need proof? you yourself answered.
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec 25 November 2020 13: 40
              -1
              I understand that you have nothing to answer. But don't worry, you are not the only one. During the hostilities, a lot of mud poured on Azerbaijan from the Armenians and Armenophiles. But in the end it turned out that everything was from the category of fake nuis
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 26 November 2020 09: 15
                0
                Quote: Bakinec
                I understand

                ===
                ) yes, yes, you have understood everything for a long time - Just not the fairy tales of the Armenian radio and the addressless statements of representatives of different states.
                and my colleague (kirillovleva November 24, 2020 20:26) pointed out

                Quote: Bakinec
                But in the end it turned out that everything was from the category of fake nuis

                ===
                yes, yes, yes, I remember how at first they denied the presence of Turkish aviation, and then admitted their presence, at the airfields

                Quote: Bakinec
                During the hostilities, a lot of mud was poured on Azerbaijan from the Armenians and Armenophiles.

                ===
                and Azerbaijan has no claims and dislike, and cannot be. but there are enough of them for the Turkbaydjan, there is and will be. get used to it.
                1. Bakinec
                  Bakinec 26 November 2020 10: 52
                  0
                  I answered the info of a colleague (kirillovleva), you can read it, if you have any objections, write.
                  Nobody denied the presence of Turkish aviation (specifically f16). We said that they are there, they remained after the exercises, but they do not participate in hostilities. Can you prove the opposite, prove it (when we denied their presence?).
                  I will not even be able to respond to the product of a sick imagination - the Turkobaijan.
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 26 November 2020 11: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Bakinec
                    I answered the info of a colleague (kirillovleva), you can read, if you have any objections write.
                    Nobody denied the presence of Turkish aviation (specifically f16). We said that they are there, they remained after the exercises, but they do not participate in hostilities. Can you prove the opposite, prove it (when we denied their presence?).
                    On the a product of a sick imagination-turkobaidzhan-I won't even answer.

                    ===
                    - what are the objections? I repeat, you don't need them.
                    - your civilization quickly disappeared (.
                    1. Bakinec
                      Bakinec 26 November 2020 11: 20
                      -1
                      Everything is clear with you. When there are no arguments, a meaningless set of words begins.
                      1. Victorio
                        Victorio 26 November 2020 11: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Bakinec
                        Everything is clear with you. When there are no arguments, a meaningless set of words begins.

                        ===
                        here is another meaningless set of words https://topwar.ru/177487-my-poluchili-vyhod-na-ves-tjurkskij-mir-v-turcii-ocenili-itogi-vojny-v-karabahe.html
                      2. Bakinec
                        Bakinec 26 November 2020 11: 59
                        +1
                        I asked for real evidence of the participation of mercenaries on the Azerbaijani side - silence on your part.
                        I asked when the SVR director accused Azerbaijan - silence on your part
                        I asked when we denied the presence of Turkish aircraft, from your side again silence.
                        And now you slip some article about the opinion of some expert - aren't you tired already?
                      3. Victorio
                        Victorio 26 November 2020 12: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Bakinec
                        opinion of some expert - aren't you tired already?

                        ===
                        here is another expert with a senseless set https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/11/25/turciya-i-azerbaydzhan-ot-evrointegracii-k-velikomu-turanu
                        to your meaningful set of questions)
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 24 November 2020 13: 46
    +1
    , rzhu nimagu))) who wrote such nonsense: "the line of defense is 2 - 5 km long and 10 km deep"?))) the author does not know what is length and depth? Or the translator doesn't know English?)))
  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 24 November 2020 22: 32
    -1
    Quote: Leeds
    "Defense line 2-5 km wide" shtooooo? What isthmus did they defend in the whole of Karabakh?

  • AĞGURD
    AĞGURD 24 November 2020 22: 33
    -1
    Quote: AĞGURD
    Quote: Leeds
    "Defense line 2-5 km wide" shtooooo? What isthmus did they defend in the whole of Karabakh?