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"We will react harshly": Russia warned the countries participating in the "Open Skies" from transferring information to the USA

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"We will react harshly": Russia warned the countries participating in the "Open Skies" from transferring information to the USA

Russia will take tough measures against those countries that, remaining in the Open Skies Treaty, will transmit the information they receive to the United States that has withdrawn from the treaty. This is stated in the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry.


Moscow warned the countries that remained in the treaty not to transfer the data they received to the United States, as well as to restrict flights over American military facilities in these countries. According to information received by Moscow, the United States, having withdrawn from the treaty, is forcing the allies to sign an agreement on the transfer of data received by these countries during flights over Russia. If such facts are established, Moscow will "react very harshly."

(...) Washington is playing an unscrupulous undercover game and is demanding that the allies sign documents according to which they will transfer to the United States materials of their observation flights over Russia. (The US) is demanding that Europeans refuse Russia to conduct observation flights over US military installations in Europe. This is a gross violation of the contract. If the remaining participating states are led by the United States, our tough response will not be long in coming

- said Konstantin Gavrilov, who is the head of the Russian delegation at the Vienna talks on military security and arms control.

In addition, Moscow warned that if Washington wants to return to the Open Skies Treaty, it will enter it only on the terms of the participating countries, and not on its own.

US President Donald Trump announced the withdrawal of the United States from the open skies treaty in May, saying that "it is outdated." On May 22, the head of the US State Department, Mike Pompeo, announced that the United States would leave the treaty in six months, i.e. November 22. On the eve of the White House national security adviser Robert O'Brien said that the United States is no longer a party to the Open Skies Treaty.
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  1. faiver
    faiver 23 November 2020 15: 57
    +98
    Moscow "will react very harshly"
    - how tough is it? will express another concern?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 November 2020 16: 02
      +39
      Zakharova will once again dance "Kalinka-Malinka" ...
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 23 November 2020 16: 17
        +37
        Quote: faiver
        Moscow "will react very harshly"
        - how tough is it? will express another concern?

        Will leave the contract and it will essentially cease to exist. It will no longer make sense for the rest of more than 3 dozen participants
        1. nnm
          nnm 23 November 2020 16: 42
          +58
          And who will report to us about the transfer of data by other countries to the United States? Or are there any doubts that they will run on their hind legs to drain this information? You must also do - withdraw from the contract
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 November 2020 17: 29
            +40
            Does anyone really doubt that the participating countries under the Open Skies Treaty, in some way, CAN not transfer their data on Russia to the USA ?!
            Now there is no longer even hope for the CIS countries!

            That is why the United States withdrew from the "Open Skies" treaty, so that the United States would know everything about Russia, and Russia, in response, nothing about the United States!
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 23 November 2020 18: 08
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              Does anyone really doubt that the participating countries under the Open Skies Treaty, in some way, CAN not transfer their data on Russia to the USA ?!

              Yes, no one doubts, the point is different, because the Russian Federation CAN use the fact of such a transfer for its own benefit and to the detriment of such countries. Another thing СCAN the Russian Federation do this, but that's a completely different conversation. In general, it is interesting in the open skies agreement how the penalties for disclosure to third parties are indicated?
          2. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 24 November 2020 04: 33
            +3
            Moscow warned the countries that remained in the treaty not to transfer the data they received to the United States, as well as to restrict flights over American military facilities in these countries. According to information received by Moscow, the United States, having withdrawn from the treaty, is forcing the allies to sign an agreement on the transfer of data received by these countries during flights over Russia. If such facts are established, Moscow will "react very harshly."

            Delirium for go-otov. It would be better to honestly say that there is no Russia. There is only a bourgeois barn in the government. Which is finally trying to squeeze the country and drown it in the threshing floor ...
          3. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 24 November 2020 13: 17
            0
            I'm thinking about the signed agreement between the matrassians and their vassals on the transfer of data from the flyby, intelligence will report anyway. The contract is not for a one-time service, and more classified documents and activities become known, and there is no need to wait long. Something like this
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 24 November 2020 19: 13
              -1
              well, in general, it's purple for us what is going on in the USA ... but the placement of parts in Europe will be interesting ... in fact, ours left a loophole through which any country can be excluded at any time
        2. avg
          avg 23 November 2020 16: 51
          +24
          Quote: Thrall
          Will leave the contract and it will essentially cease to exist. It will no longer make sense for the rest of more than 3 dozen participants

          For us, it still makes no sense.
          1. frruc
            frruc 23 November 2020 17: 19
            +16
            ... Moscow warned the countries that remained in the agreement on the inadmissibility of transferring the data they received to the United States, as well as limiting flights over American military facilities in these countries ...

            Yeah. am Empty shaking of air.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 23 November 2020 19: 13
            +7
            Quote: avg
            For us, it still makes no sense.

            Yes, even at the conclusion of this Treaty, it was unprofitable for us, but thanks to the drunkard, it was imposed on our country, although all the top military leadership was against it. The GRU General Staff was especially outraged by this - they perfectly understood how unprofitable this Dogovr was for us. It was not for nothing that Yeltsin was cleaning the army with the hands of the upstart Grachev - the scoundrel was afraid that his outrage at his betrayal could push the military to remove him, which is why the White House was shot in 1993 to intimidate him. But unfortunately there were no such ...
          3. Alexey from Perm
            Alexey from Perm 23 November 2020 20: 19
            +6
            we have nothing to watch, everything has already been examined)))
          4. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 23 November 2020 23: 21
            +1
            So, the most promising theater of military operations today is Europe, it is there that missile defense facilities are located, American military bases are located, so there is a certain sense.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 November 2020 17: 48
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          Will leave the contract and it will essentially cease to exist. It will no longer make sense for the rest of more than 3 dozen participants

          Duc, you can already leave. For information will merge on anyone. Or do they like to be patient?
        4. Alexey Polyutkin
          Alexey Polyutkin 24 November 2020 17: 44
          0
          Without the United States, it no longer makes sense, because the amerikosov data will still be transmitted about us, and we will not receive amerikos data. So ... For us, this agreement is meaningless
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 23 November 2020 16: 25
        +15
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Zakharova will once again dance "Kalinka-Malinka" ...

        Sometimes, according to the logic of thinking, our Ministry of Foreign Affairs reminds me of kindergarten students and not MGIMO graduates. But the children's mind learns, compares the relations between people and peers, so as not to make mistakes in the future. But these are responsible for the policy of the state, for its existence and security, really are they so naive ???? The uncle sits in the White House and grins at such "threats", of course they will not transmit, of course they will be scared.
        1. Tatyana Pershina
          Tatyana Pershina 23 November 2020 17: 10
          +7
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          The Foreign Ministry reminds me of kindergarten pupils and not MGIMO graduates.

          And who teaches at MGIMO now? I don’t remember the names (who will remember - write), but a couple of very odious Russophobes appeared publicly.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 23 November 2020 18: 48
            +4
            PASS, HSE-one berry field. And they do not work for our Motherland.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 23 November 2020 17: 18
          +2
          Alex777 (Alexander) .... Yesterday, 18:13 ............ "- 3"
          There are a couple of thoughts.
          1. Russia is not leaving yet - there is a chance that Biden will return to the Treaty.
          2. Will remain ours, having received written guarantees that the data will not be transferred to the United States. The idea is not easy, but working.

          rocket757 (Victor) Yesterday, 18:19 .............. "+ 5"
          Are you serious about guarantees?
          And when they all pass, you will go with this written guarantee WHERE will you go? I have only one idea, direction. No more, alas.

          For what is written in the article, I already picked up the minuses yesterday. laughing
      3. Horon
        Horon 23 November 2020 16: 30
        -3
        Why bother Zakharov with this?
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 23 November 2020 16: 42
          -6
          Maybe he, like Dzyuba, trains for her? repeat
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    2. Svarog
      Svarog 23 November 2020 16: 11
      -4
      Quote: faiver
      Moscow "will react very harshly"
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?

      Yes, only a tougher one .. the word will be added ..type de-lyat ..
    3. credo
      credo 23 November 2020 16: 12
      +16
      Quote: faiver
      Moscow "will react very harshly"
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?

      The only answer that suggests itself is a simple termination of the contract itself in general, since the most dangerous objects on the territory of NATO countries are precisely the American bases.
      If the United States withdraws from the treaty, the meaning of its existence is completely lost, and the fact that the NATO countries remaining in the treaty will merge information and photographs on Russia to the United States is beyond doubt.
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 November 2020 16: 14
        +6
        If the United States withdraws from the treaty, the meaning of its existence is completely lost.
        - I absolutely agree ...
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 November 2020 16: 24
        +17
        Quote: credo
        simple termination of the contract itself

        Moreover, this should be done not in the form of an answer, but on a preventive basis. What we are doing now is like putting an alcoholic into a wine cellar and convincingly asking him not to drink. This is stupid. And if we do this, then we know about the consequences, but we cannot do anything. For one reason or another.
      3. Yura
        Yura 23 November 2020 18: 18
        -4
        Quote: credo
        The only answer that suggests itself is a simple termination of the contract itself in general, since the most dangerous objects on the territory of NATO countries are precisely the American bases.

        good And this statement was made in order to poke all of them with their noses later in their own guano, like we warned you, and with a heavy sigh, reproachful in his eyes, Putin will safely swipe the treaty. If that's what I think, then that's a good job.
    4. Terenin
      Terenin 23 November 2020 16: 15
      -3
      Quote: faiver
      "We will react harshly": Russia warned the countries participating in the "Open Skies" from transferring information to the USA

      Yes something like that,
      through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, violators - concern (Note ...) ...,
      through line ministries - proposals to the president ...,
      The President Determines Next Steps for the Open Skies Treaty ...

      It should be understood that Russia needs the Don to the same extent as the rest of its partners.
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 November 2020 16: 22
        +3
        Quote: Terenin
        through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, violators - concern (Note ...) ...,

        Maximum .. via Zakharova's favorite "tweet on Facebook" wassat
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 23 November 2020 16: 26
          -6
          Quote: ancient
          Quote: Terenin
          through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, violators - concern (Note ...) ...,

          Maximum .. via Zakharova's favorite "tweet on Facebook" wassat

          Ancient, and in what place is there to laugh?
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 November 2020 16: 36
            +5
            Quote: Terenin
            Ancient, and in what place is there to laugh?

            And in any ... as far as the level of development, intelligence and perception allows wassat although ... "... All this would be funny if it weren't so sad ..." hi
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 23 November 2020 16: 45
              +1
              Quote: ancient
              And in any ... as far as the level of development, intelligence and perception allows
              explain to me, to increase my education, why, in the information field, it is impossible to use
              Quote: ancient
              "tweet on facebook"
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    5. Old Orc
      Old Orc 23 November 2020 16: 15
      0
      A block with turnips performed by Lavrov will be created on the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. and Zakharova
    6. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 November 2020 16: 16
      -2
      Quote: faiver
      very tough how? will express another concern?

      That's all, we are not even enough for concern. After Karabakh, we call this "their internal affairs".
    7. Tusv
      Tusv 23 November 2020 16: 41
      +7
      Quote: faiver
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?

      It's harsh like April 20, 1978 or September 1, 1983. Didn't follow the command to force land, please write your will
      1. faiver
        faiver 23 November 2020 17: 07
        +3
        I have to disappoint you - that state no longer exists ...
    8. fa2998
      fa2998 23 November 2020 16: 47
      0
      So it will be! It is also necessary to get out of this circus, so why fly over the Balts without the United States? There all of Europe in one NATO military bloc, naturally, intelligence services exchange data. It is flights over the USA that are most important. hi
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 November 2020 16: 51
        +3
        Quote: fa2998
        It is also necessary to leave this circus, so why fly over the Balts without the USA?

        The USA wanted to get out and got out without any threats or scandals.
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 23 November 2020 17: 23
          +6
          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          The USA wanted to get out and got out without any threats or scandals.

          Indeed, it is necessary to do business and not yell, hold me seven, Well, this is most likely for the internal consumer, and so flabby mosles have long since frightened no one, to our great regret. One laugh ... that's a shame.
    9. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 November 2020 16: 47
      +4
      Is it tough, will it sparkle menacingly, and frown? Or, while also sniffing viciously? ????
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 23 November 2020 17: 45
        -8
        Quote: Thrifty
        Is it tough, will it sparkle menacingly, and frown?

        But how would YOU answer? Have you gone to war? "
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 November 2020 17: 53
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          But how would YOU answer? Have you gone to war? "

          I would just get out of the contract. And the "concerns" of some are already fed up. request
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 23 November 2020 17: 59
            -2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            I would just get out of the contract.

            And everything?
            And the "concerns" of some are already fed up.

            Why are zealots getting soiled, you are silent?
            Or didn’t get it that this is a DIPLOMATIC term?
            / Well, Lavrov cannot beat the muzzle !!!!!!
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 05
              0
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And everything?

              What other suggestions do you have?
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Why are zealots getting soiled, you are silent?

              I laugh at their concern.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Or didn’t get it that this is a DIPLOMATIC term?

              Are you hysterical? Pull yourself together.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              / Well, Lavrov cannot beat the muzzle !!!!!!

              It is not known whether he can at all. But without this skill it is difficult in this world. repeat
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty 23 November 2020 18: 07
          +2
          Lipchanin, can you not poke? negative I personally would immediately follow the US from this agreement! And, he would instantly lose all meaning without us and the Yankees!
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 12
            0
            Quote: Thrifty
            Lipchanin, can you not poke?

            He is also worried about the country, just each in his own way. request
    10. Kart
      Kart 23 November 2020 16: 54
      -16%
      Everything is lost?
      The whiners are already singing.
    11. Atlant-1164
      Atlant-1164 23 November 2020 16: 59
      +4
      I want to say so to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Russia .. blessed are those who believe.
    12. Vilensky
      Vilensky 23 November 2020 17: 34
      +2
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?

      Has passed, it means the spy, you can shoot down.
      soldier
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 November 2020 18: 32
        +3
        Quote: Vilensky
        Transferred, it means a spy, you can shoot down

        So far, only us are being brought down. I wonder what it is like to be a pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the current situation, when you know that at any moment you can be deprived of your life by any husk and that there will be nothing for that?
    13. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 23 November 2020 17: 41
      -9
      Quote: faiver
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?

      Will spit in mrdu
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 23 November 2020 17: 55
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Will spit in mrdu

        How interesting?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 23 November 2020 18: 01
          -8
          Quote: Tank Hard
          How interesting?

          Yes way.
          Stupid questions need to be sheepish
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 08
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            On the stupid questions need stupidly to sheep

            But you post yours. request
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 23 November 2020 18: 12
              +5
              "let's react harshly"

              Uh-huh. We will transfer another 200 tons of gold to England as punishment ...
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 23 November 2020 18: 14
              -4
              Quote: Tank Hard
              But you post yours.

              Actually, I took to the post
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 15
                0
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Actually, I took to the post

                This is yes. Captain obvious. hi
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 23 November 2020 18: 20
                  -4
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  This is yes. Captain obvious.

                  Well thanks for the title hi
                  But he didn't grow up to the captain request
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 22
                    -1
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Well thanks for the title
                    But the captain is not expensive

                    Are you sad? laughing
    14. da Vinci
      da Vinci 23 November 2020 19: 04
      -1
      The concern can be expressed like this:
    15. Beby
      Beby 23 November 2020 19: 10
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      - how tough is it? will express another concern?
      Well, you can, for example, merge (sell!) Information on disclosed countries and the United States (from previous years) to interested countries that are not members of "DON". And for an additional fee, you can also share the difference: what has grown, and what has hidden ... You can think of a lot of nasty things - there would be desire and will.
    16. Monax
      Monax 24 November 2020 15: 14
      0
      No, she will shake her finger. If you said "A", then you must say "B".
  2. Kronos
    Kronos 23 November 2020 15: 57
    +8
    And what? I doubt the harsh answer.
  3. KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 23 November 2020 15: 58
    +8
    They puff their cheeks and swallow.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 November 2020 15: 58
    -1
    Prohibiting violating participants ... from flying over us.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 23 November 2020 16: 01
      +1
      Prohibit violating participants
      How to identify violators?
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 November 2020 16: 07
        +6
        Only to appoint, as they do - and we think so ...
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 23 November 2020 16: 08
          +14
          Only to appoint, as they do - and we think so ..
          Well that is you don't even have to warn you, but immediately withdraw from the contract. The result is known in advance.
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 November 2020 16: 47
            +3
            Here, as it will be beneficial for us, so we must do ...
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 23 November 2020 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: Trapp1st
        How to identify violators?

        And as a bourgeois. It is stupid to appoint guilty. We have accurate intelligence, but we will not show it because the top secret
    2. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2020 16: 23
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Prohibiting violating participants ... from flying over us.

      And how can we get money for flights, flights and flights? .. Ours cannot go to this in any way ... wink
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 23 November 2020 16: 51
      +4
      And I'm curious WHO will fly over Russia? In my opinion, only Russia and the United States had aircraft certified under the contract. You can, of course, rent an American car, but the Russian Federation has the right to require that the entire crew and operators be from the country that applied for the flight. smile Or rent a Russian car with a Russian crew and operators smile smile
  5. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 23 November 2020 15: 58
    +7
    This is how contracts with crooks end.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 23 November 2020 18: 00
      +3
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      This is how contracts with crooks end

      How is Butusov in the song:
      If you drink with thieves - beware for your wallet
      If you drink with thieves - beware for your wallet
      If you walk on a muddy road, you can't help but get your feet dirty
      If you pull your hair out, you won't stick it back
      If you pull your hair out, you won't stick it back
      And your head is always responsible for where your butt goes

      The truth is always the same
      Pharaoh said it
      He was very smart.
      And for this he was called Tutankhamun

      I knew a woman - she always went out the window
      The house had ten thousand doors, but she went out the window
      She crashed to death, but she didn't care

      If you knew this woman, you wouldn't drink with thieves
      If you knew this woman, you wouldn't drink with thieves
      You wouldn't walk in the mud and throw your hair

      The truth is always the same
      Pharaoh said it
      He was very smart.
      And for this he was called Tutankhamun

      The truth is always the same
      Pharaoh said it
      He was very smart.
      And for this he was called Tutankhamun


  6. vfwfr
    vfwfr 23 November 2020 16: 00
    +3
    This shop should have been closed for a long time ..
  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 23 November 2020 16: 03
    +19
    As long as there are still member countries in this Treaty, Russia needs to withdraw from it. Otherwise, it will remain in splendid isolation. All the same, the data will be transferred to the United States, you cannot control it in any way, and even more so you cannot prove the fact of transfer.
  8. cniza
    cniza 23 November 2020 16: 05
    +1
    In addition, Moscow warned that if Washington wants to return to the Open Skies Treaty, it will enter it only on the terms of the participating countries, and not on its own.


    And other countries support it, if so, then very interesting events can come.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 23 November 2020 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      In addition, Moscow warned that if Washington wants to return to the Open Skies Treaty, it will enter it only on the terms of the participating countries, and not on its own.


      And other countries support it, if so, then very interesting events can come.

      I, too, can hear the teeth of the Pentagon cowboys laughing

      Greetings Victor hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 23 November 2020 16: 50
        +1
        Greetings to Gene! hi

        Something, it seems to me so, but there is nothing for them to creak, well, those in the mouth are artificial, and so ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 23 November 2020 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          I think so, but they have nothing to creak with

          For a couple, three years, their military potential will be still strong, and in agony and dangerous.
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 November 2020 18: 25
            +3
            Military potential, especially Ya.O. will be dangerous for a long time, but their internal problems will bleed them out ...
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 23 November 2020 16: 05
    +12
    A very strange statement from Russia: the United States left the treaty and we must leave it! With whom to conduct inspections with Lithuania, Estonia or maybe with Zanzibar?
  10. Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 23 November 2020 16: 06
    +5
    If gentlemen cannot win by the rules, they simply change the rules.
  11. SaLaR
    SaLaR 23 November 2020 16: 06
    +5
    How scared they were ..................... am
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 23 November 2020 22: 33
      +1
      "let's react harshly" ...

      We will bomb Voronezh with extreme cruelty ... yes
  12. Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 November 2020 16: 07
    +1
    Why are these statements? "Tough answer", he frightened them ... Information was transmitted and will continue to be transmitted.
    Belarus is also a party to the contract, who prevents it from renting a Russian plane and flying in the states?
    Don't dig a hole for another - use the one he dug for you.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 23 November 2020 16: 09
      +7
      Quote: Rostislav
      who prevents her from leasing a Russian plane and flying in the states?

      Maybe the fact that the United States withdrew from this treaty hinders? Not?
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 23 November 2020 16: 14
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Quote: Rostislav
        who prevents her from leasing a Russian plane and flying in the states?

        Maybe the fact that the United States withdrew from this treaty hinders? Not?

        Not only. Under the agreement, Russia and Belarus go in one block.
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 23 November 2020 16: 52
        +2
        Yes, I didn't even notice the elephant recourse
  13. bar
    bar 23 November 2020 16: 09
    +3
    An extremely harsh statement, to be sure. But how do you know if the information was transmitted or not? They are all part of a single NATO. Or, as usual, do the gentlemen take their word for it? recourse
  14. Dimy4
    Dimy4 23 November 2020 16: 10
    +1
    They were really scared.
  15. Tagan
    Tagan 23 November 2020 16: 12
    -3
    Quote: faiver
    Moscow "will react very harshly"
    will express another concern?

    It happens that Russia's “next concern” turns into bloody snot for some. Didn't you know about this? Or did you like the phrase?
    1. faiver
      faiver 23 November 2020 17: 13
      +4
      those. after Great Britain transfers the obtained data to its "senior partners" will the British wash themselves with bloody snot? Do you believe yourself?
  16. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 November 2020 16: 16
    -3
    A great blow to Trump's arrogance. The article indicates one sticking point, the transfer of data to the United States. The US requires NATO countries to impose a ban on flying over American bases. So if we are not allowed to fly over Europe where we want on the new Tu 214, the treaty will go through the forest. And he will go to the forest, but we are not to blame here. Another trump card for START 3. But this is already with the can. Trump is already going to take away his favorite twitter, how he will govern the country. And the space group gives everything anyway. military units and environs. You can identify the officers' cars by brands. And they blur theirs. hi
  17. bar
    bar 23 November 2020 16: 18
    +2
    Generally not entirely clear. Yesterday Peskov said - "We regret and believe that the US withdrawal from this treaty makes this treaty no longer viable." Today Zakharova on Russia-24 also said that an agreement in a "partial version" only with the Europeans and without the United States is impossible. And that would be quite logical and correct. Has the paradigm changed? recourse
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  19. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 23 November 2020 16: 27
    +2
    "Moscow has warned the countries remaining in the treaty on the inadmissibility of transferring the data they received to the USA ..."

    Almost all NATO countries seem to have an intelligence sharing agreement with the United States. Photographic data, inside their code, can be interpreted as relevant.
    If 9 out of 10 countries will not transmit this data, then it is enough if there is a leak (shared semi-officially) with the United States at least one.
  20. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 November 2020 16: 28
    +3
    Hmmm ... Can't the Russian elite think that someone in Europe will contradict the Boss? fool They came out because they know that they will take information from their sixes, but the Russian Federation will not get into the ASP. Q.E.D. But believing in Western objections means not respecting yourself.
    Personally, I am for the fact that if someone withdrew from the treaty, especially the main signatory in the form of America, then Russia also needs to stop flights over its territory of anyone.
  21. zenion
    zenion 23 November 2020 16: 29
    -1
    Hitlerism was revived in the USA!
  22. Jcvai
    Jcvai 23 November 2020 16: 33
    +3
    Reminds of the "last Chinese warning" over the Taiwan Strait ...
  23. Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 23 November 2020 16: 37
    +5
    I can’t understand how long our military-political leadership and the Foreign Ministry will be mucking about. The idiot understands that the data from the flight of our "partners" over Russia will immediately reach the Americans. After the US withdrawn from the treaty, Russia's failure to withdraw from it can be viewed as a betrayal.
  24. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 23 November 2020 16: 41
    +5
    What nonsense? It is assumed that NATO countries will continue to fly over us on parole? Complete trash.
  25. svp67
    svp67 23 November 2020 16: 43
    +2
    Russia will take tough measures against those countries that, remaining in the Open Skies Treaty, will transmit the information they receive to the United States that has withdrawn from the treaty.
    What a strange position ... it might be easier to withdraw from this treaty ourselves, since it is clear that the transfer of the received intelligence will still occur
  26. zwlad
    zwlad 23 November 2020 16: 45
    +1
    Russia will take tough measures against those countries that, remaining in the Open Skies Treaty, will transmit the information they receive to the United States that has withdrawn from the treaty.

    And how are we going to convict the transfer of information?
    Or let's hope that they themselves confess about the drain?
  27. Avior
    Avior 23 November 2020 16: 54
    +2
    Looked at the contract
    I did not find a prohibition on data transfer in it.
    On the other hand, a ban on overflight over American bases is also not provided.
  28. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 23 November 2020 16: 55
    0
    Naivety is off the charts .... to spit hunting, they know how to spoil our mood for the whole evening.
  29. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 November 2020 16: 57
    +14
    "Let's react harshly": Russia warned ...

    Russia cannot warn anyone. They are burdened with power, because for them state concerns are a heavy burden, they warn ... Whom? Which countries? The ones where their children study? Or those where the business of wives is developing? Or will the countries-owners of the labor (or not labor?) Incomes redeem for "then earned" be concerned?
    Downed pilots, killed servicemen, a murdered ambassador, alienated state property, an economic blockade on the import of high technologies, bans on trade for reasons sucked from the finger, an embargo on Russian arms exports, blocking financial transactions, illegal arrest of Russian citizens and trials over them, bypassing international law , penalties with and without, a ban on the construction and sale of hydrocarbons (through the fault of gouging - the only constant source of filling the budget), anti-doping scandals in one head, deprivation of state attributes of the winning country, demolition of monuments to military commanders-heroes of WWII, sling mud at historical victories and merit ... But where should you stay? Where do you need to get recognition of your own sovereignty?
  30. faterdom
    faterdom 23 November 2020 17: 02
    +4
    Trying a good mine while playing extremely badly.
    And why do we need it, is it an agreement? Then, that membership in PACE is someone's individual wishes, very different from the interests of the country.?
  31. I AM BELARUSIAN
    I AM BELARUSIAN 23 November 2020 17: 09
    0
    What else can you expect from mattresses?
  32. V1er
    V1er 23 November 2020 17: 10
    +1
    There is no point in this agreement, they will drain 200% of the entire US. It's time to get out.
  33. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 November 2020 17: 30
    +2
    If such facts are established, Moscow will "react very harshly."

    I do not know how Moscow is going to establish this, but the fact that all the information will certainly be transferred to the United States can be sure.
  34. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2020 17: 36
    +3
    Do they themselves believe in what they demand? Although, in principle, it is necessary to monitor forces for an attack on the Russian Federation in Europe.
  35. fif21
    fif21 23 November 2020 17: 40
    0
    We urgently need to withdraw from the contract! Without the United States, it loses its meaning, staying in it means betraying the interests of the Russian Federation! Well, how much can you use the same rake? hi
  36. Andre___86
    Andre___86 23 November 2020 17: 40
    +5
    Express concerns? It's funny. How will they track the transmission of data through the intelligence services? Even if they track it down, the disclosure of knowledge of this fact with data will reveal the source and agents. Rave
  37. Tagan
    Tagan 23 November 2020 18: 01
    -4
    Quote: faiver
    those. after Great Britain transfers the obtained data to its "senior partners" will the British wash themselves with bloody snot? Do you believe yourself?

    But you are talking about REGULAR. If they ask well, they will wash
  38. evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 November 2020 18: 12
    0
    Well, the answer will be expected in the form of a ban on this country from flying. So many of them are flying around, proving everyone is tortured, especially if they fly along the same route in single file in turn.
  39. yfast
    yfast 23 November 2020 20: 03
    0
    Nobody knows who slept with whom. And this is good. Otherwise, you will have to answer toughly for the words, but there is nothing to answer.
  40. bk0010
    bk0010 23 November 2020 20: 09
    +1
    DON was created as a means of monitoring compliance with strategic offensive arms. START ends in February, nothing new is foreseen, DON loses its meaning, February can not be expected.
  41. iouris
    iouris 23 November 2020 20: 41
    +1
    NATO members (and not NATO members) will use intelligence equipment provided by the United States and will definitely share. The information he got himself is useless.
  42. Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 November 2020 20: 46
    0
    Baby talk! They have transmitted, they will transmit and will transmit. They are different from the United States more than they are afraid of the Russian Federation. We ourselves need to get out of this canoe.
  43. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 23 November 2020 23: 09
    0
    NATO has a unified communication system, there is no need to drain it.
  44. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 24 November 2020 00: 29
    +1
    If the Yankees withdrew from the treaty, then the "open sky" should no longer exist, because all the rest are just lured dogs of the amerikosov.
  45. paco.soto
    paco.soto 24 November 2020 02: 28
    0
    I read the forum: everything is logical and humorous within the acceptable limits here. Nothing will change strategically from this ancient agreement.
    But wiping a patriotic stingy tear with his beard, so what ?! No one has ever pounded off the couch "Elstone® ™? !!"
    Of course with a smile comments.
  46. Pavel57
    Pavel57 24 November 2020 08: 20
    +1
    Apparently the Treaty is beneficial for us to control Europe.
  47. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 24 November 2020 08: 31
    0
    Well, why do we need this "open sky"? We urgently need to cover the shop.
  48. Ge2an
    Ge2an 24 November 2020 09: 16
    0
    I am more and more convinced that all the power of Russia, for this purpose and placed there, in order to quietly, and under the guise of false patriotism, to destroy the Russians ... that they are all in collusion with other countries, and everything that happens, this whole theater of confrontation with America and the West, just for distraction, and deception .. In fact, all of the current government is the enemies of the Russians, I'm talking about the Russian nation.
  49. svoit
    svoit 24 November 2020 09: 30
    0
    Quote: Thrall

    Will withdraw from the contract and it will essentially cease to exist

    He will not go anywhere, if you can share info with others, then after Russia leaves, Belarus will share with us
  50. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 November 2020 22: 23
    0
    There is nothing to guess here, all NATO countries will transmit all data flying over Russia to the United States.

    The United States will know everything about the movement of our troops, and we will know nothing about them.

    We must stop this farce and get out of this program.

    We must respect both ourselves and the interests of our country!