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How the toys of the country destroy

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Photo by the press service of the government of the Tula region.


Originally from childhood


We all come from childhood. Many are still from the Soviet. The same when the boys dreamed of becoming cosmonauts, sailors, pilots, geologists - but you never know what they dreamed of becoming. The main thing is they dreamed.

And in many respects these dreams appeared thanks to toys that were sold in the Detsky Mir store and which we very often, almost crying, asked our mothers and fathers to buy.

Among these toys were special ones, from the sight of the boxes of which the child's heart began to beat at a frantic speed. And having persuaded your parents, you got at your disposal the battleship Potemkin (with which you flopped in the bath, and for a long time they could not take you out of there) or the T-34 tank (which you proudly showed to your stunned friends in the yard) or an airplane, but not just a plane, and a Tu-134 or MiG-21.

There were also bags. Ordinary nondescript bags in which lay: toy plastic prefabricated aircraft "Frontline fighter" or "F-415 aircraft construction kit". For these (and many other bags, and sometimes boxes) there was literally a hunt. After all, they had models of military aircraft, and besides, they were very realistic.

Explosion in bench simulation in the USSR


The appearance of the FROG / NOVO models on sale can be compared to the explosion in bench modeling in the USSR. This "explosion" in its action and consequences can only be compared with "nuclear".

The adult "uncles" in the then "high" offices, who made the decision to start production of FROG / NOVO models, could not help but understand what their distribution in the USSR would ultimately lead to. Because an adult, educated and informed person cannot fail to realize simple truths: childhood impressions and memories are the core on which the personality of an adult is held.

Hatred of the USSR as a bonus


Yes, with the advent of FROG / NOVO products, the range of children's educational toys has increased, this is a fact. Frog's models developed in the child the ability to work with the head and hands, and this is true. But as a "free" bonus, these same children also received dislike for the Motherland. And very often in the form of disgust and contempt for their own country and for everything Soviet. There were more than enough examples.

Having collected a certain number of models, and at the same time having matured, now the young man saw that the aircraft models that he had happily acquired by that time were mainly combat aircraft of Western countries. Albeit WW II period, but from the West. And he (already having the experience of "hunting" for these same toys, and at the same time buying firmsоof boxes and parts from the farmers) often, along with this experience, he had a formed and very impartial opinion about the country in which he was born and grew up. About the state, about power and much more about something else. Which was very successfully promoted by the same shortage of these very models and the numerous problems associated with bringing them to mind.

Thus, by the middle of the 80s, the USSR received a significant part of young people who are big-headed, handy, educated, but not patriotic, with snob disgust for their country and their people.

This was not spoken about out loud then. But many people felt it. At least according to the general admiration for everything Western. And by the crackling statics of disgust for everything Soviet. And when “cooperators”, “merchants” appeared, and behind them there were “racketeers”, it became simply impossible to hide it.

Toy propaganda


They will object to me: where is the propaganda, and where is the "toy plastic team" the plane "front fighter"?

Close. And even closer than it seems. A typical picture for those times: on a bookshelf or under the ceiling in a room, there are very picturesquely located models of aircraft from the USA, Great Britain, and France. Lockheed P-38, Hawker Sea Fury, Hawker Hunter, or the same Dassault Mirage III. Beautiful planes, no words. What is not a reason for admiration? And they admired. Achievements of the aviation industry of the West. But not the USSR.

It's hard to admire something that isn't there. And if there is, it is executed in the style of obstructionism and minimalism at the same time. I'm talking about the same "models" MiG-15 and MiG-17 from NPO Vector.

Therefore, is it any wonder that when Mr. Gorby and his comrades appeared, he was so warmly received at first by the same youth. After all, he spoke of socialism with a "human face". And it was understood like this:

“We will live like theirs. And everything else will be like ours. "

Many people still remember how Gorbachev's demagogy ended. And now the 80s were rebuilt, the 90s were reformed, the 2000s are being digitized successfully. The state has changed and the country has changed.

Modeler's paradise


Like mushrooms after rain, shops for modelers have sprung up across the country. And with the advent of the Internet and their e-version. The counters are full of models-copies of technology of all times and peoples. Various sorts and kinds of additions to them: decals, paints, varnishes and others.

Everything. Paradise has come for modelers. Indeed, in many ways it is.

But with all the abundance and diversity, this very model "paradise" is somehow one-sided. I'm talking about the assortment of what is sold in the vast majority of these stores.

Today not only FROG / NOVO is on sale (although it is still alive). True, in other packages. Everything that an 80s modeler could dream of is on sale. But only cooler. In all scales, modifications and colors. Models for sale are copies of military and civil aircraft. But most of its Western technology. This "self-assembled tablecloth" from Western technology from a Western manufacturer catches the eye even with a cursory glance at any shop window.

As they say, is there a demand? Get an offer.

Self-assembled advertising tablecloth


And there is demand. Because, over the past years, this most Western technique has become like our own. Suffice it to recall which planes our citizens fly in the same Antalya.

The US films ("Pretty Woman Memphis", "Pilots from Tuskegee", Top Gun, "Firebird", a series of films Great planes - for some reason released by the studio "Wings of Russia") are known to many. The advertisement is engine of the trade.

Here are just our models (copies of Soviet technology, a domestic developer and manufacturer), as in the 80s - clearly watery. In a word, cabbage soup and porridge are our food.

In 2019, VO published the article “Large-scale modeling of the Country of Soviets. Part 1". It mentions the magazine TM No. 8 for 1984. In this issue, an article was published on the problems of bench modeling in the USSR. I read it when I was a child. But here's the curious thing. Little has changed in the past nearly forty years.

If we go back and draw parallels with today, then, from my point of view, everything has changed only for the worse.

Grandiose but non-existent


ANT-25 is a record aircraft on which V.P. Chkalov first in the USSR flew over the North Pole. I-16 - first in the world fighter monoplane with retractable landing gear. La-5 is the world's only large-scale solid-wood fighter of the WWII period.

Yak-15, MiG-9 - first serial jet fighters in the USSR. MiG-15 - first large-scale jet fighter in the USSR with a swept wing. MiG-19 - first in the USSR, a large-scale supersonic fighter. MiG-23 - first in the USSR, a large-scale supersonic fighter with a variable geometry wing.

IL-28 - first in the USSR, a large-scale jet bomber.

A wide range of models - copies of these aircraft have not been available for almost 40 years, so there are still no copies.

And where do they come from, if even the MiG-15 or MiG-17 still do not even have adequate drawings?

And then there are helicopters.

But the sea of ​​Messerschmitts


At the same time, only a lazy manufacturer of model products does not release the notorious Messerschmitt Bf.109 (even Zvezda was noted in this field). Or North American P-51 Mustang. They are produced in all scales and modifications.

They may object to me: open your eyes, everything that you mentioned is sold at very affordable prices.

Yes, this is so, but if there are models of the aircraft I named, then (as a rule) these are developments of the 90s. Or already "killed" molds, as in the case of the I-16 from ICM, or the Yak-1, Yak-15, MiG-9 from Amodel (I am already silent about the fact that Amodel is an LND). I will only add that ICM and Amodel are Ukrainian manufacturers - that is, foreign ones.

The firm "" generally "pleased" with the repack of the "Frankenstein" MiG-15, MiG-17 from Dragon. And this is China. The modeler does the same, but from the Hobby Boss.

They will again object to me: this is, they say, normal practice.

But I would like to draw your attention to the fact that we are talking about domestic aircraft and their foreign developers and manufacturers. And such examples are dark.

Bridge to descendants


In fact, the current state gave into the hands of someone else's uncle (for foreign understanding and discretion) the achievements of our ancestors, our pride and our history... And the history of the people and the country is a bridge to the future for our descendants.

Well, there is also (I think) no need to talk about how things are with history today for “them” (and also for “us”).

One "intellectual" from the Yeltsin Center (by the way, the director of science) declares that the time has come to raise the question of the rehabilitation of the Vlasovites, because they, too, fought under the communist regime? And in St. Petersburg, the former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, with emotion on his face, opens a memorial plaque in honor of the General of the Tsarist army Mannerheim? After such statements, for some reason, you are not at all surprised that the museum aviation The USSR no longer exists in Monino. And with the models in our country for almost forty years, somehow, somehow.

Over the years, TWO generations of modellers have grown, for whom the current state of affairs is the norm. As a result, if you look at the Internet forums, you can see quite an ordinary picture.

NATO feast


A holiday for connoisseurs of Luftwaffe aircraft, pilots and aircraft of the Allies in World War II, experts in NATO aircraft. At the same time, everything is decorously distributed over the years, firms, etc. etc.

For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the aviation of the USSR was not forgotten. But now I'm talking about the ratio of those and ours. And it is not in favor of the history of aviation in the USSR. And a similar situation can be observed in the models of "tankers" and "motorists".

By no means am I calling for condemnation, closure and attraction. In the end, the "genie from the bottle" has already been released. And it will lead to the opposite result. Already banned and imprisoned. I mean the absence of the state (as such) in this market, in general.

I mean that in our country for decades, a situation has been developing when patriotism does not develop further than leavened and state-owned.

Is the ideological war lost?


I mean that the USSR, having lost in the Cold War, initially lost in the ideological one. And one of the kinds weapons of this ideological war there were these very "bags" with aircraft models.

I mean that they were shooting at totalitarianism and the Communist Party. But we got to the country. And the one who shot knew his job perfectly. Methods and methods of "mutually beneficial economic and cultural cooperation" by that time had already been very well worked out in the same Latin America. For us, there is a fresh example - Ukraine. Over the past years, it has been clearly demonstrated how you can turn the brains of a completely adequate people to one side. And there are also Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan. I'm not talking about the Baltics. So Belarus is on its way.

Look how many young people in Belarus are among the protesters. But first they fill up the shops with foreign-made goods. And some 15-20 years later, puffing out their cheeks, they genuinely wonder:

“And where did this fifth column come from? Would it be wrong? "

The lot of the Russian Maya?


Today we have all the prospects to stand on a par with the Maya. Or with the Aztecs and Incas.

The whole world will admire our culture. Our works of art. They will adorn the world's best museums and private collections.

But we, as a people, as a country, will no longer be here, on the sixth part of the land.

Do you still think that it doesn't matter which model of airplane your son makes?
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 25 November 2020 10: 10
    +20
    So the power is revanchist capitalists who hate the USSR and idolize the tsar and the nobility, for them there is only their world, they see the people as something inferior, judging by the way officials and bloggers speak. But we also draw conclusions and I think changes will come.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 25 November 2020 10: 13
      +12
      Quote: Pessimist22
      So in power

      You're oversimplifying everything ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 25 November 2020 10: 50
        +9
        Quote: Lesovik

        You're oversimplifying everything ...

        And the author, on the contrary, complicates and thickens everything!
        And all the references to non-patriotic youth, tell the guys who passed in the 90s of Chechnya ... the same company of paratroopers who did not leave from a height ...

        And the fact that the USSR collapsed is not the fault of the people and youth in particular, but the fault of the ruling party ...
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2020 11: 13
          +7
          I agree with you. The author thickened the colors, about the 80s. This was the time of my childhood and I had a hobby - poster modeling.
          I'll be honest - I collected it out of the box, practically without finishing. In general, he began to paint late.
          But I was "chasing" the models, and in addition to frogs, I also had GDR models and Soviet factories.
          The author may not know that there was such a plant in Moscow "Ogonyok", which produced a line of Soviet tanks, that An-2, I16 and I 15 were cast in Kiev.
          Yes, I wanted to dilute a number of "Messer" and "Foker" for the sake of completeness, but here the propaganda worked for "five"! - there were such models in the company's line, but the USSR did not buy them. Patriotic education went in the right direction.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 25 November 2020 14: 46
            +8
            And the author did not think that our toys were not at all because some villain flooded the shelves with foreign crafts? Maybe the reason is that the shelves were initially empty, and the poor set that was gathering dust on them did not suit many people? That way, we will consider the replacement of the newspapers Pravda, Trud, Izvestia and Soviet Russia with their toilet paper an ideological sabotage. As well as selling, by the way, pampers instead of endlessly washable gauze diapers. When you "unload" them, diapers are an irreplaceable thing: after this procedure, you are ready for any deeds for the glory of the fatherland. If only not to see them again.
            Well, the sincerity of the author seems to me questionable after such a pearl:
            La-5 is the world's only large-scale solid-wood fighter of the WWII period.
            What is this WWII? Isn't it the second world?
        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 25 November 2020 11: 13
          +20
          "Ideology is played" not on toys, it is played: 1 - in elections, where 76% are in favor, and in some places all 146% ... 2 - in pockets and wallets - when the minimum wage is 200 USD, but "the average class "starts from 250 USD ... 3-it is lost on pensions, which are overwhelmingly less than 200 USD, 4-in the absence of prospects for improving life for the majority of the population, 5-in the absence of social and professional lifts for the" ordinary population ", 5 -on fat mugs from the "deputy-bureaucratic" corps of advising - "not to give birth", "macaroshki", etc., 6-on a separate pension system-one for deputies and government officials and the other for the "people", 7-in villas and bank deposits, on relatives in the "west" of almost all deputies and government officials, 8 - on growing taxes, new direct and indirect levies, the introduction of more and more different restrictions for the population, 9 - and so on and so on ...
          1. pyagomail.ru
            pyagomail.ru 25 November 2020 16: 32
            -6
            1. Obviously, you are writing about the US presidential election, where the dead voted; 2. And the salary, as well as the prices, are not in the USD (you are writing about the United States for sure?); 3. Yes, pensions are different, and mostly small, but are you talking about the United States again? 4. Lack of prospects? Yes, if you sit and wait - life will not improve, but have you tried to work? (I do not consider printing comments for work); 5. What is a social lift? Someone should take and make you a boss or an oligarch? There is no such thing in any country; 5. Some "bureaucratic deputies" have fat faces - they need to be driven away, but "this" - those who have seized power are everywhere and always: under the tsar, and in Soviet times and not only in Russia; 6, 7. I don't even want to comment - a mixture of envy and collecting gossip; 8. You mean 15% personal income tax - I sympathize with you, but what to do, you have to share. And the restrictions that the population must walk in masks is, of course, lawlessness; 9. Well yes, well yes.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 26 November 2020 17: 36
              +3
              Read the article, read all the comments.

              The author, of course, is not a modeler, otherwise he would not have called replica models samples of military equipment models and I would not treat the fascination of millions with military history (and poster modeling is military history) so dismissively. And although the author has some distant idea of ​​stand modeling, many of his statements and accusations are incorrect and false. And accusations of manufacturers and stand-ups of unpatrioticity and treason are generally delusional! It's funny and absurd, but accusing everyone of leavened patriotism, he himself is its brightest example! lol The article is pretty silly. VERY surprised why it was published.

              But what pleased me was the comments. It turned out that poster modeling is a hobby of many, and the comments are correct, balanced and interesting. Almost everyone was or is still fond of him, they are well aware of his problems and military history. Although it was revealed on 174 comments and several of the author's thinkers (a drop in the ocean!). I do not quite agree with Ros56 in their dismissive assessment of poster modeling. He himself seems to be a great master and model aircraft with a capital letter. But both MASS and ACCESSIBLE to all, poster modeling also has a right to life.

              I myself am not very young. Started doing aircraft modeling in the 60s when there was no rumor about plastic kits. Made cordovye: racing, copies, "air combat" models. Then - timer. I made wooden copies according to drawings. Therefore, I was VERY glad when plastic kits appeared. I still have boxes that I can't make due to lack of time. Unbeknownst to the author, poster modeling is a passion for technology. And whose it is important only for the author, but for the stand-up - not. I can, for example, admire "Catalina" or "Mosquito" and quite be a real Russian patriot. I have an acquaintance who has been making a three-meter "Tiger" with all the mechanization and lights for many years, having allocated a room for him in a private house. Overkill, of course, but a hobby.

              Good luck to all modelers in everything!
        3. Victorio
          Victorio 25 November 2020 11: 35
          +2
          Quote: Nasr
          And the fact that the USSR collapsed is not the fault of the people and youth in particular, but the fault of the ruling party ...

          ===
          the power, no doubt, disappointed. however, to blame everything on the tops, which did not come from Mars, then the people then grew crooked hands en masse, drove marriage and dragged almost everywhere and almost everywhere since the late 70s.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 25 November 2020 11: 44
            +5
            Quote: Victorio

            ===
            the power, no doubt, disappointed. ...

            Of course, it disappointed ... the people then voted "FOR" the USSR !!
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 25 November 2020 12: 06
              +2
              Quote: Nasr
              Quote: Victorio

              ===
              the power, no doubt, disappointed. ...

              Of course, it disappointed ... the people then voted "FOR" the USSR !!

              ===
              yes, it is not necessary to vote with a big mind. by that time, little was left of the USSR, one form probably.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 25 November 2020 13: 37
        +4
        I remember how every weekend during the Soviet Union I went to the "Young Technician" store, hoping to buy a new model for assembly. Alas, hopes did not always come true. I did not notice any ideological load, although the models "Sea Vampire", "Venjens" have already appeared, I do not remember the manufacturer, but definitely not the USSR. I envy today's boys, the choice is breathtaking - there would be money.
  2. bar
    bar 25 November 2020 10: 10
    +30
    as a "free" bonus, these children also received dislike for their homeland. And very often in the form of disgust and contempt for their own country and for everything Soviet.

    What delusion, far-fetched ... sad
    Why transfer your personal complexes to children.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 November 2020 10: 32
      +21
      Thus, by the middle of the 80s, the USSR received a significant part of young people who are big-headed, handy, educated, but not patriotic, with snob disgust for their country and their people.
      This is definitely nonsense !!! In life, I disagree with this. There was no such
      And the general approach, for example, a simple mathematical one. Let's say a country has produced 10 samples of aircraft. Then in 10 neighboring countries "up to a heap" there will be 100 and they will not be domestic at all.
      And what models of our weapons are missing on sale?
      Another thing is that the quality of the puncture on the puncture is from our manufacturers, respectively, and the sales are such. But this is already from another opera.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 25 November 2020 11: 11
        +20
        Quote: NDR-791
        This is definitely nonsense !!! In life, I disagree with this. There was no such

        As a child, my parents gave me a prefabricated model of the Thunderbolt aircraft. I remember being very surprised that it turns out that there are such people. Maybe since then, interest has arisen to learn more about the various weapons of different countries. What does propaganda have to do with it? And if you take philatelists, then they are generally a hotbed of anti-Sovietism turn out to be what they need in prison ?.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 November 2020 11: 25
          +5
          As a child, my parents gave me a prefabricated model of the plane "Thunderbolt"
          And I had one, and much more. And it’s true, as in the article, with Potemkin in the bath, floundering. And then there was the model of the icebreaker "Arktika", and as Brezhnev died it was renamed "Brezhnev". And the next day, in the Children's World, the Brezhnevs were already seized and exhibited in the Children's World, albeit in the same shitty quality with centimeter ugly sprues and a monstrous flash. So it's not the toys to blame.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 25 November 2020 12: 45
        +9
        The person simply never saw, DIDN'T KEEP the Japanese magazine MODEL GRAFIX. And their ARMOR MODELING. It tells about the models of different companies, shows the assembled models of famous modellers and ... THIRD, if not more, there are models of our equipment. Moreover, it is well written about her. Very objective! It is popular there and is made by TENS OF FIRMS. The Tiger is probably in the first place, but the T-34 is definitely in second! But no one THERE considers it antipatriotic. There were already such articles in the 90s in the Komsomolskaya Pravda. I even had material in Tankomaster: "Komsomolskaya Pravda" spat on our hobby, but let's give it some heat! And after all the tasks !!! So don’t ... It reminds me very much of an article from "Provincial Gazette" that our child, who read Jules Verne, Mayne Reed, and Conan Doyle, hates everything Russian and grows up as an enemy of the homeland in his soul. By the way, similar rhetoric, right? Well, did it turn out to be so? In 1984, in the 8th issue of Technique-Youth there was a "round table" where all this was spoken and written about ... Today "Zvezda" brings everything written to life. Maybe it's enough to look for devils in the censer?
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 25 November 2020 11: 03
      +6
      Well, apparently it's time to again declare Russia the homeland of elephants ...
  3. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 25 November 2020 10: 15
    +23
    Do you still think that it doesn't matter which model of airplane your son makes?
    ... The question is narrowly posed ... And dad, what model of car did he use to go to the store with his son to buy a model of a Soviet or Russian airplane? Is it really on Moskvich? And maybe at the Victory? .. Or still a Soviet-made Zhiguli? smile
  4. Galleon
    Galleon 25 November 2020 10: 16
    +30
    Some kind of far-fetched topic. My friend only collects models of Russian ships from wooden kits. Yes, you can take sets of famous foreign companies, some Tamiya or Revell, but you can also take ours: whoever seeks, he finds. The Zvezda plant has been operating and producing models of domestic equipment since 1990. To groan some kind of sucked reason. Sorry, author, no offense.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 25 November 2020 10: 23
      +21
      Quote: Galleon
      Some kind of far-fetched topic.

      I totally agree hi ! My Son and I are collecting Tin Soldiers - Napoleonica ... into the French Foreign Legion - We are definitely not preparing to enter. Before that, the Romans were gathered - and we are not planning to move to Italy either! The author put everything together ...
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 25 November 2020 10: 47
        +11
        Quote: Hunter 2
        My Son and I are collecting Tin Soldiers - Napoleonica ... into the French Foreign Legion - We are definitely not preparing to enter. Before that, the Romans were gathered - and we are not planning to move to Italy either!

        Greetings, Alex! hi
        By the way, the soldiers are one of the reasons why the study of history is much easier for boys than for girls. Through the soldiers, the boys experience the history of wars, and in order to get to know the history well, they must go through it. The historicism of toys and models helps this. And we must also pay tribute: yes, the land battles of the Red Army with the Wehrmacht were the most difficult and grandiose in scale, and in the West there were grandiose naval operations and air battles, this cannot be taken away from history.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 25 November 2020 10: 54
          +5
          Quote: Galleon

          By the way, the soldiers are one of the reasons why the study of history is much easier for boys than for girls. Through the soldiers, the boys experience the history of wars, and in order to get to know the history well, they must go through it. The historicism of toys and models helps this. And we must also pay tribute: yes, the land battles of the Red Army with the Wehrmacht were the most difficult and grandiose in scale, and in the West there were grandiose naval operations and air battles, this cannot be taken away from history.

          Greetings Andrew hi ! Moreover, the Boys themselves begin to imagine themselves as future Fighters, and Love for the Motherland is growing proportionally! And then they don't mow from service ...
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 25 November 2020 10: 58
            +8
            Quote: Hunter 2
            moreover, the Boys themselves begin to imagine themselves as future Fighters, and Love for the Motherland is growing proportionally! And then they don't mow from service ...

            Here, here ... on December 16 we see off with our mother to the assembly point soldier ... Soldiers, history books, Total War of different versions - and a military enlistment office. smile
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 25 November 2020 11: 02
              +5
              Well, it remains to wish calm service, good luck and good health to your (OUR) soldier! hi
              Let him return as an Experienced Warrior and a Real Man!
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 25 November 2020 11: 09
                +3
                Thank you, comrade! I will convey my wishes, I will say that from a veteran of the service, my forum member.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 26 November 2020 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Quote: Galleon
        Some kind of far-fetched topic.

        I totally agree hi ! My Son and I are collecting Tin Soldiers - Napoleonica ... into the French Foreign Legion - We are definitely not preparing to enter. Before that, the Romans were gathered - and we are not planning to move to Italy either!

        Well, that doesn't say anything yet.
        That's when the question becomes an edge, or-or, that's when you and your son, I really want to be mistaken, choose both Italy and French. legion. For you did not collect Russian soldiers. I suppose because of their absence!
        Of course, your choice will not necessarily be what I assumed.
        Patriotic education is made up of an infinite number of factors, and collecting is one of them. What the author of the article tried unsuccessfully to tell us.
        I got it. You are not. And please, no offense. hi
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 26 November 2020 12: 12
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk

          Well, that doesn't say anything yet.
          That's when the question becomes an edge, or-or, that's when you and your son, I really want to be mistaken, choose both Italy and French. legion. For you did not collect Russian soldiers. I suppose because of their absence!
          Of course, your choice will not necessarily be what I assumed.
          Patriotic education is made up of an infinite number of factors, and collecting is one of them. What the author of the article tried unsuccessfully to tell us.
          I got it. You are not. And please, no offense. hi

          Excuse me. I totally disagree with you.
          1. What is Napoleonics ... Do you represent how many countries and peoples - took part in the Napoleonic Wars? So, in order to have an idea about this, you must at least have in your collection - at least one of their representatives (by the way, we have 7 Soldiers of the Republic of Ingushetia), the remaining 131 are representatives of other nations, excuse me - this is the story.
          2. Romans ... with whom did Ancient Rome fight? Well, further by analogy with paragraph 1.
          3. About the question will stand squarely ... I will simply ignore you ... since - you are Specifically Wrong. I ask you to be more careful with such statements from now on.
          4. The author of the article is an ordinary populist, and, in my opinion, completely incompetent.
          Conclusion: I understood everything correctly, because you need to know both your own and your enemies. The story is - what it is! And you unfortunately succumbed to the provocation of its author. Greetings Good dialogue, even put a plus. hi
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 25 November 2020 10: 45
      +9
      The Zvezda plant has been operating and producing models of domestic equipment since 1990. To moan some kind of sucked reason. Sorry, author, no offense.

      I will join. The quality of "Zvezda" is normal. I have not yet compared with foreign ones (there was no experience), but it is easy and easy to assemble. The part numbers are written in the frame itself, to which they were originally attached.
      The I-16 from "Modelist" feels like 1/72 scale - the quality is much worse than that of "Zvezda". This is no longer an assembly, but flour. Parts are more laborious to connect to each other. There are no numbers in the frame, you need to constantly turn the manual - because the assembly is indicated on one page, and the part numbers in the frame are on the other back.
      And the reason is really sucked. Variety should also exist. hi
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 25 November 2020 11: 30
        +3
        We only have Chinese and "Star". "Zvezda" is much better quality, although at a slightly more expensive price. And the package is better.
  5. withoutreverse
    withoutreverse 25 November 2020 10: 18
    +21
    I remember my toys .. a piece of picket fence from the fence, turned with a penknife .. I was a boat. I remember the tin revolver my uncle gave me. childhood was poor .. but very happy .. people were kind. as well as that time. and now, because of the mask, they can kill in the minibus ..
    1. Imobile
      Imobile 26 November 2020 09: 41
      -3
      Then the line could be killed. At 84 I remember standing behind the powder. They gave a small pack of powder and 2 soaps to hands. Naturally, all the children were dragged. First, the door to the store was demolished, then the mother and child were crushed. The ambulance could not pull it out until the powder ran out, half an hour, but the intestines of the child came out of the mouth.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 November 2020 11: 55
      +1
      Quote: withoutreverse

      I remember my toys .. a piece of picket fence from the fence, turned with a penknife .. I had a boat.

      And that was great! Because you did it with YOUR hands, thereby you acquired the skills of working with your hands, and developed your imagination - the ability to think figuratively.
      Read the comments, completely dissatisfied with the fact that the details do not fit well, that they are poorly numbered, which is why the problem is which detail to which to connect. UzhOs!
      Never bought "model bags". I did everything myself. Yes, they were not as beautiful as "from the store", but they were made on their own from improvised material and an affordable tool.
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 25 November 2020 10: 24
    -10%
    Thanks to the author for the article. I agree with everything
    In fact, the present state has handed over the achievements of our ancestors, our pride and our history to a foreign uncle (for foreign understanding and discretion).

    Exactly. The brothers' children and grandchildren play tanks, but the tanks are all German ... When asked why, they answered that they are the strongest. Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
    How can we deal with this?
    Or we have already lost. Lost in the battle for future generations.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 25 November 2020 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18

      Exactly. The brothers' children and grandchildren play tanks, but the tanks are all German ... When asked why, they answered that they are the strongest. Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
      How can we deal with this?
      Or we have already lost. Lost in the battle for future generations.

      In fact, you are simply not in the subject Absolutely! The best and, unfortunately, the most expensive, tank model manufacturer is TORRO. See how many models of Soviet Tanks there are. There is Everything !!! Even in winter coloring pages! And even with such a price tag - more than 40 thousand rubles, they are not so easy to buy.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 25 November 2020 10: 41
        -9
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Quote: Doccor18

        Exactly. The brothers' children and grandchildren play tanks, but the tanks are all German ... When asked why, they answered that they are the strongest. Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
        How can we deal with this?
        Or we have already lost. Lost in the battle for future generations.

        In fact, you are simply not in the subject Absolutely! The best and, unfortunately, the most expensive, tank model manufacturer is TORRO. See how many models of Soviet Tanks there are. There is Everything !!! Even in winter coloring pages! And even with such a price tag - more than 40 thousand rubles, they are not so easy to buy.

        I'm not talking about models, but about computer games.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 25 November 2020 10: 48
          +9
          Quote: Doccor18

          I'm not talking about models, but about computer games.

          Forgive me, but the article is about Models!
          As for games, you are also not entirely right. The team of Russian players (very eminent) tank shooter (too lazy to switch to the Latin alphabet, and I can confuse the name) is playing on Soviet tanks!
        2. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 25 November 2020 23: 39
          +2
          And about computer games. I've been cutting into Tanchiki for a long time. Well, some of my tanks don't go. From the word GENERAL. I have a much better result on VK3601 than on KV2, so I got it because in my past life I was a Panzerwaffe tanker? And then why my IP is MUCH worse than T29? Probably because I rode the T29 in a past life? Or maybe because in the game both KV2 and IS are blind and oblique? Does the IS also have no armor and the cannon does not penetrate much? And the fact that of the light tanks I have the best results on the AMX12T is because I am a fan of Napoleon at heart? But on a PATRIOTIC game, OWN tanks would be a LITTLE better. A little bit. So to instill in the player the idea that the SOVIET is the best. To play on "our" was LITTLE easier. For example, the Americans make their weapons a LITTLE better in their shooting games than everyone else. A little bit. It is enough that the beginner player chooses the AMERICAN weapon.
    2. bar
      bar 25 November 2020 10: 36
      +9
      Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
      How can we deal with this?

      You need to communicate with children, tell, educate. And do not blame everything on toys. A disdainful attitude towards their country is brought up by parents, not toys.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 39
      -8
      Quote: Doccor18
      How can we deal with this?

      It's hard to fight this. Enemies do not reckon with anything and with anyone, and they begin to cultivate hatred for their country from children, seemingly harmless toys. Everything is thought out here, and is introduced into the minds of children, who absorb them like a sponge. And the people who will implement are not sitting across the ocean, or a hillock, but sitting next to us, working, visiting. In the 30s, they shaved their tails, but they did not go anywhere, and after the collapse, they are already doing their dirty work legally.
    4. Constanty
      Constanty 25 November 2020 10: 50
      +2
      Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
      How can we deal with this?
      Or we have already lost. Lost in the battle for future generations.


      However, the demand for them also comes from many years when they were practically taboo, which is surprising - because they often need to be shown and praised by the fact that, despite such magnificent equipment, the Russians and other peoples of the USSR, the Poles from the LRP and others defeated the enemy.

      Be that as it may, at the present time, in addition to the very "beaten" T-34-85, "Aurora" and Yak-1, there is more and more information about prototypes or rare tanks, aircraft and Soviet ships - and this arouses interest and is often more interesting than the next Panzerkampfwagens and Meserschmitts. Not to mention the rediscovered history of Russia from the First World War and earlier - Russia has much to be proud of - and it is gradually returning the interest of people at a young age - at least among Polish modellers.
    5. Avior
      Avior 25 November 2020 11: 52
      +6
      In Soviet times, the German "Schmeiser" was highly regarded among Soviet children, although there was nothing of the kind in the propaganda.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 25 November 2020 13: 05
        +7
        Quote: Avior
        the German "Schmeiser" was highly regarded among Soviet children,

        This is due to the manufacturability of "production" and the film image of the partisanswink It is problematic to make a PPSh from a picket, and a "schmeiser" is easy: a hacksaw, a knife, nails, a hammer and a bolt for the bolt.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 November 2020 13: 18
          +4
          PPP is not much more difficult, only to nail the fence obliquely
          Yes, and for the PPSh-bank is needed. smile
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 25 November 2020 19: 13
            0
            Children (known to me) did not know about PPP and PPD then. PPP would be mistaken for a "schmayser", PPD - for PPSh. I learned that in addition to the PPSh we also had "automata" at an age when they no longer play war.
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 November 2020 19: 21
              +1
              PPD - did not know
              PPP - flashed in films
        2. Avior
          Avior 25 November 2020 13: 18
          +1
          PPP is not much more difficult, only to nail the fence obliquely
          Yes, and for the PPSh-bank is needed. smile
    6. kalibr
      kalibr 25 November 2020 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      Have you heard about the T-34-85?

      Today, the T-34 is produced even with filling, transparent elements of the hull and turret in scales up to 1: 6. By the way, the Tiger too. But what if he is really cooler, if you look at him! Ban him for this?
    7. vvvjak
      vvvjak 25 November 2020 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: Doccor18
      Have you heard about the T-34-85? Yes, you heard, but the T-6 is cooler ...
      How can we deal with this?

      The Porsche car is definitely cooler than the Niva. And if you carry potatoes from the dacha, but off-road? Not so clear anymore. And if you need to fix it? How much money for fuel and oil? And the cost is 1 in 20? So if you take girls to clubs (for dad's money), then a Porsche is cooler, and if you feed and raise two children of idiots, it is better than a Niva. I explained it to my people like that, they understood.
  7. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 25 November 2020 10: 29
    +13
    Author, what car do you drive, what system gadgets? Now, you have already taken the first step to change.
    1. for
      for 25 November 2020 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Now, you have already taken the first step to change.

      But he doesn't have 16 Russian apps installed on his smartphone.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 25 November 2020 11: 31
        +5
        But he doesn't have 16 Russian apps installed on his smartphone.
        Let's clarify on a Chinese smartphone. smile
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 25 November 2020 15: 25
          +3
          On a Chinese smartphone that fuses the author's patriotic thoughts to cunning Chinese.
          Therefore, we remind the author
  8. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 25 November 2020 10: 32
    +3
    “We will live like theirs. And everything else will be like ours. "
    The layman's crystal dream "To live like theirs." Although everyone understood, everyone would not get such a life. But here, as in a scam, "Fools do not win, but I am smart, and I will win" as well as "Fools live badly there, and I am smart, I'm lucky." And the result, we all know what is in the scam, what is in life.
  9. exo
    exo 25 November 2020 10: 34
    +6
    Everything is piled up in one heap. Article, nothing. Models, imported goods, nonsense patriotism. You are still Plasticart, remember. As the cause of the collapse of the GDR and the USSR.
  10. Constanty
    Constanty 25 November 2020 10: 42
    +8
    In Poland in the 70s and 80s, plastic modeling was very poor. The Polish plant ZTS Plastyk has produced only a few aircraft models, including the Jak-1 / 1M and Ił-2M3.

    The situation was somewhat saved by imports from Czechoslovakia (I remember Avia B-33 (with Iła-10 license) or from East Germany (for example, Su-7 VEB), but their availability was limited, so cardboard modeling was king.
    Contrary to its appearance, it was very pluralistic and featured aircraft and ship models from all over the world. Of the Russian / Soviet models, I remember very well the immortal Potemkin or the icebreaker Krasin.

    The times were great - without such differences and threats as today.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 November 2020 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: Constanty
      In Poland in the 70s and 80s, plastic modeling was very poor. The Polish plant ZTS Plastyk has produced only a few aircraft models, including the Jak-1 / 1M and Ił-2M3.

      I had these models, by the way, some Polish company in the same period produced Spitfire 9 UTI.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 25 November 2020 13: 36
        +1
        Well, that was the end of the 80s - in terms of this model.

        [/ Center]
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 30
          0
          Quote: Constanty
          Well, that was the end of the 80s - in terms of this model.

          [/ Center]

          In, he was the very one I took him in Szczecin, it turns out somewhere in 1986-87, because he appeared after the KR-shny Spearfire IX ...
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 25 November 2020 12: 49
      +4
      Quote: Constanty
      In Poland in the 70s and 80s, plastic modeling was very poor.

      But you had "Mala Model". We rarely came across in Gorky / Nizhny Novgorod, but I had Lublin R-13 and Su-22, there was a "Stuart" tank and after school I still glued "Liberator" together.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 25 November 2020 13: 39
        +1
        Believe me, in those years in Poland people ran to kiosks to buy "Maly Modelars".
        I don't remember Liberatora from MM - it was from FLY Model. It was huge :-)
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 25 November 2020 14: 22
          +1
          Quote: Constanty

          I don't remember Liberatora from "MM"

          It was exactly. In RAF camouflage and with Polish OZ on the nose. I don’t remember which year of release, but I got my hands on it around 1996. Yes, the model turned out to be hefty. :)
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 25 November 2020 15: 17
            +3
            In fact, "Liberator" was in MM!



            Somehow it slipped out of my head
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 25 November 2020 15: 23
              +1
              Quote: Constanty




              Is he. :)
          2. beeper
            beeper 26 November 2020 15: 24
            0
            Quote: Avis
            Quote: Constanty

            I don't remember Liberatora from "MM"

            It was exactly. In RAF camouflage and with Polish OZ on the nose. I don’t remember which year of release, but I got my hands on it around 1996. Yes, the model turned out to be hefty. :)

            hi Also, with the Son they assembled such a B-24 "Liberator" from that, still Soviet times, "Small Model" (13 kopecks cost one number in the 70s, a double one - 26 kopecks - on it the Polish language began to learn and cardboard models to build, more with Father, he was a Jack of all trades and a self-taught polyglot! winked ), scale M1: 50, still stands at the top of the bookshelf. smile
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: Constanty
          Believe me, in those years in Poland people ran to kiosks to buy "Maly Modelars".
          I don't remember Liberatora from MM - it was from FLY Model. It was huge :-)

          Well, in Stargard-Szczecin on Saturdays I always took SP, it was a pretty good weekly. MM almost always could be in "Sklyap Harzerskom" - a pardon for my Polish, in the same Stargard, but I was more sticking out of the airplane plastic.
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 25 November 2020 15: 24
            +1
            Are you writing about "Skrzydlatej Polsce" - "Winged Poland"? It was a good magazine for its time!
            In turn, I was delighted when in Szczecin I managed to buy a Soviet "Shipbuilding" in Nautikvaria. Only years later, I was able to buy in Poznan Dotsenko, Bogatyrev, Vakharlovsky: History of domestic shipbuilding in the 5th-XNUMXth centuries. In XNUMX volumes. where is the actual collection of articles from this magazine. This book has pleased my soul!
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 25 November 2020 16: 47
              +1
              Quote: Constanty
              Are you writing about "Skrzydlatej Polsce" - "Winged Poland"? It was a good magazine for its time!

              Yes, about him. By the way, I don’t remember the name of the store, there was a very large bookstore in Szczecin, there were a lot of books in different languages ​​about the history of aviation. about Polish pilots on the Western Front, about Polish pilots on the Eastern, with beautiful photos and colors of these aircraft. It's just that books dedicated to some kind of aircraft (monographs), though they did not stay there, failed, did not buy ...
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 26 November 2020 17: 21
                0
                Quote: Fitter65
                about Polish pilots on Vostochny

                Interesting. And in what units did they fight? Everyone knows about the Normandy, but I have never heard of the Poles in our Air Force.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 25 November 2020 13: 41
        +3
        Quote: Avis
        But you had "Mala Model".

        We had a supplement to the Yunny Technik magazine called Skillful Hands. There, almost like in "Mala Model", the sweep of paper models were printed. There was also a Modelist-Constructor with drawings. And "Mala Model" is a bit hard, but it could be written out in the USSR.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 25 November 2020 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: Fitter65
          Quote: Avis
          But you had "Mala Model".

          We had a supplement to the Yunny Technik magazine called Skillful Hands.

          Only all this had to be transferred to normal paper. But the quality of the "Supplement" paper did not allow this - it was easy to tear.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 26
            +1
            Quote: Avis
            Only all this had to be transferred to normal paper. But the quality of the "Supplement" paper did not allow this - it was easy to tear.

            So after the description of the prototype went- "... to make a model you will need carbon paper, thick cardboard Whatman paper, colored paper ..."
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 25 November 2020 14: 32
              +1
              Quote: Fitter65
              "... to make a model, you will need carbon paper, thick Whatman cardboard, colored paper ..."

              I wrote about it. And the thin, loose paper of the application could not withstand copying through a carbon copy, and the cardboard did not shine through. Whatman is too thin for most details.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 58
                +1
                Quote: Avis
                And the thin, loose paper of the application could not withstand copying through a carbon copy,

                I don’t know, I don’t know, if not with a sharp pencil, and do not press hard, everything was translated normally. I alone Uralov - 375 pieces 5 made ...
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 25 November 2020 15: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  Quote: Avis
                  And the thin, loose paper of the application could not withstand copying through a carbon copy,

                  I don’t know, I don’t know, if not with a sharp pencil, and do not press hard, everything was translated normally. I alone Uralov - 375 pieces 5 made ...

                  I handle without paste; I didn't seem to press hard. Translated and made a frigate and Il-86. I didn't have enough for more. I mainly made something wooden and electrical from the application. And only purchased stand models were collected.
  11. pereselenec
    pereselenec 25 November 2020 11: 03
    +6
    NATO feast

    A holiday for connoisseurs of Luftwaffe aircraft, pilots and aircraft of the Allies in World War II, experts in NATO aircraft. At the same time, everything is decorously distributed over the years, firms, etc. etc.


    "NATO" in Russian is spelled "NATO".
    "Luftwaffe" in Russian is called "Luftwaffe".

    Those. the author, accusing certain mythical liberals from (created by Putin) Yeltsin-center, that they say, they do not allow patriots to make plastic models of Soviet airplanes and tanks and propagate patriotism among young people, is himself, on a subconscious level, a Western worshiper and a dirty trick of the Anglo Saxons.

    Well, it is also important that the youth (which the author apparently did not see in person), in his predominant majority, put a bolt on your plastic tanks. They are not interested in them, unlike Kolda, Fortnight and Tiktok.
  12. BAI
    BAI 25 November 2020 11: 08
    +5
    FROG / NOVO products

    I don't remember these products at all. Absolutely.
    But the domestic Yak-9, Mig-15, Tu-104, Il-62, T-34, KV-85, Aurora and Potemkin I remember well. Because he collected it himself. And this is not a complete list of models of domestic technology. Buy everything and collect everything, which was then produced (70s) - there is not enough space.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 25 November 2020 14: 27
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      FROG / NOVO products

      I don't remember these products at all. Absolutely.

      It was. Only the majority were sold not in NOVO boxes (with the name of the prototype and a coloring scheme), but simply in bags with a attached cardboard card with a picture and (usually) with an impersonal “NNN index”.
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 25 November 2020 15: 19
        +2
        My parents wrote out the Polish "Small Model", where the models had to be glued out of paper, and on a very decent scale (you can't glue the little things out of paper). By the way, it is more difficult to glue a model from paper than from plastic, but there was no need to paint. There were models of equipment, both Soviet and foreign. A question for our communist ministers, who were never able to master the analogue of "Malye Modelyazh", instead we had patterns attached to "Young Technician", but there we had to look for a suitable cardboard and then paint.
      2. Alf
        Alf 25 November 2020 18: 37
        0
        Quote: Avis
        Quote: BAI
        FROG / NOVO products

        I don't remember these products at all. Absolutely.

        It was. Only the majority were sold not in NOVO boxes (with the name of the prototype and a coloring scheme), but simply in bags with a attached cardboard card with a picture and (usually) with an impersonal “NNN index”.



        The second went to Britain as payment for molds. The first one was on sale with us. Author, where is the praise of the West on our model?
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 25 November 2020 18: 41
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Author, where is the praise of the West on our model?

          "Gordon", have you tried sober before writing a posting?
          1. Alf
            Alf 25 November 2020 18: 44
            -1
            Quote: Avis
            Quote: Alf
            Author, where is the praise of the West on our model?

            "Gordon", have you tried sober before writing a posting?

            Unlike you, I don't drink. What did you find in my post?
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 25 November 2020 18: 49
              0
              Quote: Alf

              Unlike you, I don't drink. What did you find in my post?

              Clearly, do not dry out.
              And this question is for you. But you are not adequate.
              1. Alf
                Alf 25 November 2020 18: 50
                0
                Quote: Avis
                Quote: Alf

                Unlike you, I don't drink. What did you find in my post?

                Clearly, do not dry out.
                And this question is for you. But you are not adequate.

                In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 25 November 2020 18: 57
                  -3
                  Quote: Alf

                  In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?

                  Move the mirror, inadequate. And when you sleep it off, show me where you saw in my postings something about "praising the West"?
                  Where is the praise of the West on our model?

                  Go sober ...
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 25 November 2020 19: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Avis
                    Quote: Alf

                    In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?

                    Move the mirror, inadequate. And when you sleep it off, show me where you saw in my postings something about "praising the West"?
                    Where is the praise of the West on our model?

                    Go sober ...

                    Hey, drunk, does the word "author" tell you anything? Or did you write the article?
                    1. Reviews
                      Reviews 25 November 2020 19: 07
                      -1
                      Quote: Alf
                      Quote: Avis
                      Quote: Alf

                      In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?

                      Move the mirror, inadequate. And when you sleep it off, show me where you saw in my postings something about "praising the West"?
                      Where is the praise of the West on our model?

                      Go sober ...

                      Hey, drunk, does the word "author" tell you anything? Or did you write the article?

                      Here I am about the same. I am not an author, but you are quoting my posting, and for some reason you ask me a question as an author. So, you are definitely a drunk. Patented and guaranteed.
                      Go already, dry up, otherwise the uncle-policeman will take you to the sober.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 25 November 2020 19: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Avis
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Avis
                        Quote: Alf

                        In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?

                        Move the mirror, inadequate. And when you sleep it off, show me where you saw in my postings something about "praising the West"?
                        Where is the praise of the West on our model?

                        Go sober ...

                        Hey, drunk, does the word "author" tell you anything? Or did you write the article?

                        Here I am about the same. I am not an author, but you are quoting my posting, and for some reason you ask me a question as an author. So, you are definitely a drunk. Patented and guaranteed.
                        Go already, dry up, otherwise the uncle-policeman will take you to the sober.

                        So first figure it out, and then rot your fingers like a fan.
                      2. Reviews
                        Reviews 26 November 2020 17: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Avis
                        Quote: Alf
                        Quote: Avis
                        Quote: Alf

                        In fact, can you say what or so, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words overcame?

                        Move the mirror, inadequate. And when you sleep it off, show me where you saw in my postings something about "praising the West"?
                        Where is the praise of the West on our model?

                        Go sober ...

                        Hey, drunk, does the word "author" tell you anything? Or did you write the article?

                        Here I am about the same. I am not an author, but you are quoting my posting, and for some reason you ask me a question as an author. So, you are definitely a drunk. Patented and guaranteed.
                        Go already, dry up, otherwise the uncle-policeman will take you to the sober.

                        So first figure it out, and then rot your fingers like a fan.

                        Hey, kid ... You stop drinking.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 25 November 2020 11: 11
    +1
    There will be no one of their own, they will fill it with someone else's, completely foreign, and they will slip a lot of frankly harmful ones.
    What and who will do?
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 25 November 2020 11: 17
    +2
    at the end of the 80s there were a lot of foreign models of combat aircraft, domestic ones were passenger, cargo-passenger, but that the MiG-29, Su-27 these were neither in Moscow nor in Kharkov
    1. tomket
      tomket 25 November 2020 13: 20
      +3
      Quote: Igoresha
      but that the MiG-29, Su-27 these neither in Moscow nor in Kharkov

      The MiG-29 was the first to come in the form of a set of cardboard. In general, given that the image was more or less clear, it was a problem to see, and considered in detail only in the article of the "Technics-youth" magazine "MiG-29 is the king of the air." Where do the models come from? As far as I remember, the first widely available kadavriki was made by the company Nakotne from the Baltic states, and the first, more or less similar, was made by Italieri.
    2. Alf
      Alf 25 November 2020 18: 54
      0
      Quote: Igoresha
      at the end of the 80s there were a lot of foreign models of combat aircraft, domestic ones were passenger, cargo-passenger, but that the MiG-29, Su-27 these were neither in Moscow nor in Kharkov

      The first model MIG-29 went on sale in Moscow back in 1989, the Riga company Nakotne. Another thing is that this MIG was not like itself ..
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 November 2020 11: 20
    +6
    Do not confuse modelers, those who make models of the so-called championship class with their own hands and participate in competitions up to the World Championships and consumer goods modeling, which is very far from the present. For information, these are radio-controlled replica models:
    1. Torins
      Torins 25 November 2020 14: 54
      +2
      There is also bench modeling, so all plastic models are produced for it in general.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 25 November 2020 15: 45
        -2
        I know, I don’t consider this as modeling, so, a model workshop.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 26 November 2020 12: 13
          +1
          Quote: Ros 56
          I know, I don’t consider this as modeling, so, a model workshop.

          So, before starting to make a real plane, quite recently, a full-size wooden model was made, and in wind tunnels, various models are often used - models of real aircraft.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 26 November 2020 12: 49
            -3
            Wooden models are the work of bygone days of the last century. So at one time they clarified the layout scheme, now there are computer programs for this, it turns out cheaper and faster. Although, they may be doing something now.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 26 November 2020 16: 59
              -1
              Quote: Ros 56
              now there are computer programs for this, it turns out cheaper and faster. Although, they may be doing something now.

              No computer can replace field tests in a wind tunnel. Not every wind tunnel will be able to take a full-scale sample ...
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 27 November 2020 07: 52
                -3
                Well, you read and understand what you are reading, what kind of full-scale tests in the pipe when working out the layout. I beg of you?
  • Torins
    Torins 25 November 2020 11: 21
    +3
    Not only modeling played a role here. "Bastards" "Penalty battalion" - many believe that what was shown in these films was actually.
  • ankir13
    ankir13 25 November 2020 11: 25
    +5

    * Thus, by the mid-80s, the USSR received a significant part of young people who are big-headed, handy, educated, but not patriotic, with snobbish disgust for their country and their people. *
    I myself was a full-fledged participant in this explosion of modeling, almost every day I was in search of the coveted box, preferably aircraft, I collected 3 regiments of military aviation, tanks, ships of all from models, probably that were produced then! I'm talking about the 80s! Take a model, and even on the street, there is no time to drive football, until you build it, 2-3 days, from school to the house! Both the camouflage and the propeller wheels are spinning, the joints of the parts are melted and licked evenly! And the greatest happiness was to get just a Soviet plane, a donkey, silt, a yak, a flask, a GDR dryer, a bench, SB simply delighted and instilled pride in comparison with Western models, lumpy planes, and both harry and lightings were asleep, Wellingtons, typhoons are all good, but not what OURS!
    Until now I remain a patriot born in the USSR!
  • Kronos
    Kronos 25 November 2020 11: 28
    0
    Firstly, the author now few people need all these airplanes because they play on computers and consoles, and secondly, patriotism does not depend on toys.
    1. Torins
      Torins 25 November 2020 12: 40
      +4
      These are models and not toys, they cannot be played because they are fragile.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 25 November 2020 13: 11
        0
        So, in your opinion, a lot of young people are engaged in modeling?
        1. Torins
          Torins 25 November 2020 14: 51
          +1
          On a serious level, few people, and almost everyone in their life glued a spitfire or moment 21.
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 25 November 2020 15: 01
          +4
          Quote: Kronos
          So, in your opinion, a lot of young people are engaged in modeling?

          Not very many, but quite enough so that in many cities of Russia model stores could function even during the quarantine period, and with the presence of the Internet.
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 25 November 2020 15: 52
          -1
          As a former model aircraft engineer, I’ll say for sure, almost everything was ruined, with rare exceptions. There were few enthusiasts left. If earlier teams from almost every district came to the regional competitions, not counting several urban ones, now, even the championship of Russia among young men, it is a pitiful sight.
  • Avior
    Avior 25 November 2020 11: 50
    +8
    In my childhood I had prefabricated models of the KVK-15 helicopter (I still don't know what kind of helicopter it is, it looks very much like the Ka-15), the T-34 tank (brought from Moscow as a gift, nothing like that could be found in the provinces) , and an excellent white model Tu-144 (also from Moscow or Leningrad as a gift).
    There was a MiG-3 cord-line model, it had to be cut out of a plywood box with a jigsaw, quite large (at school they gave it at a New Year's party), hell of a job :), then I got a motor, and there was a small rather detailed metal model of a wartime fighter for 8 rubles , personally bought, all personal money was gone :)
    Did it help to love the Motherland?
    Then this question did not stand at all as such, it was self-evident.
    Studying history? There were problems with this, good books can be found with difficulty, there is a historical collection in the Model-constructor, and a friend had a Book of future commanders, they looked at it in detail for hours :)) ...
    But this does not mean that later I did not want pseudo-American Montana jeans (expensive! I never bought it :), so I cost 100 rubles in Italian in the store plus 20 on top :)), and even later, a watch with the same name for 16 melodies.
    and I don’t remember that the Soviet toy - the Parabellum pistol, about which everyone knew that it was German, did not interfere with patriotism in any way. I don’t think it was of fundamental importance.
    But the fact that you won't find normal jeans, attractive to young people, in the store, or sneakers, this, of course, greatly undermined the image of the USSR. sad
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 25 November 2020 12: 40
    +9
    Quote: Galleon
    Some kind of far-fetched topic. My friend only collects models of Russian ships from wooden kits. Yes, you can take sets of famous foreign companies, some Tamiya or Revell, but you can also take ours: whoever seeks, he finds. The Zvezda plant has been operating and producing models of domestic equipment since 1990. To groan some kind of sucked reason. Sorry, author, no offense.

    Not only is it far-fetched, the author is also poorly versed in the topic, though I have a more accurate, but really abusive synonym for the word "bad" instead of badly. I would like to clarify with which model of the armored vehicle "Potemkin" the author could splash in the bathroom? The plastic model of the battleship "Potemkin" from the Ogonyok factory, on a scale of 1: 400, somehow did not move towards this, especially if he assembled it himself. By the way, together with the Potemkin, the model of the cruiser Aurora came out. In the second half of the 70s, I wrote out the Mi-6 and Il-62 models from Posyltorg. Yes, by today it is "Firewood", but these were models of our aircraft. There was a Yak-25 True, too, at the level of these Mi and Il ... MiG-17. But about the aforementioned Tu-134 and MiG-21 so it is the GDR from VEB Plastikart, as well as the Su-7, Tu-2, Il-28, An-14 and An-24. Tell me, was it hard to buy them? In Moscow, maybe, but as a kid, I received the first model - "cruiser Aurora" as a gift in 1977. The rest of the above I bought, in the following stores - "Yolochka" in our village - Chingissa, the children's department of the Central Department Store (he was so proudly called) in the regional center Ordynskoye, the "Firefly" store on the street. Stanislavsky in Novosibirsk, in the "Children's World" in Iskitim. That is, even without being very much in this topic then, I periodically bought models of Soviet aircraft. We go further, to the chapter
    Grandiose but non-existent
    ANT-25 is, as it were, the first in WORLD an airplane that flew over the North Pole from one continent to another. By the way, his model was produced in the late 80s at 1:72 m. I-16- one OF the first in the world and one OFthe first in the USSR with retractable landing gear, well, the first in the world, so the first. I purchased the I-16 type 24 model in 1:72 scale in 1986 and was produced in Kiev. Now I-16s can be purchased on almost any scale and from different manufacturers and different modifications. Most of all, I liked the passages with the highlighting of the word first, first, only ... LaGG-3, oddly enough, also had an all-wood construction, like the La-5 made later on its basis. The first La-5s were generally made on the LaGG-3 glider. Again, La-5FN since 1944 had metal wing spars. All models of the listed aircraft in different modifications can now be purchased without problems, at least I personally have 3 modifications of LaGG- and 4 La-5, though at 1:48. In the 80s, the La-7 model was produced, we made almost all the La-5 modifications from it, and even the LaGG-3. About MiGs from 9 to 31, but with the MiG-9 there is a problem except for 1 model in m 1:72 from the "Scarab" company, I don't remember anything. Other types MiG-15 / 15UTI, MiG-17, MiG-19S, MiG-21MF- from the Czechoslovak (then) company KR in m 1:72 were available, as well as the Yak-23. I had Polish Yak-15 / 17s. MiG-23/27 appeared only in the late 80s, early 90s, like the MiG-25, here you are right, and they also produced their foreign ones, Hasegawa and Revell. About the drawings for the MiG-15 and 17 ... I don’t even know which one to advise, it will be easier if you go to "SKALEMODELS" and look for Soviet aircraft after the 50s in the section. By the way, the MiG-15 and 17 at the "Zvezda" have long been a Dragon, well, this is now not my scale. By the way, almost the entire family of Su-27/30/33/35 at 1:48 is produced by China ... By the way, in the 1970s-80s it was a big problem to buy the Messerschmitt-109 model, it is known that one modeller from the "Minsk" Spitfire cut BF 109, we used to make the MiG-3 from linden, and from the plastic rulers Junkers-87V "Stuka" ...
    1. tomket
      tomket 25 November 2020 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: Fitter65
      By the way, the MiG-15 and 17 at "Zvezda" have long been like a Dragon, well, this is now not my scale

      The Star still has Dragon. By the way, the MiG-17 is normal there, but by the 15th the claims are due to the cleave. By the way, the MiG-17 began to make an English airfix from last year. According to the author's logic, there was no way Hiley Likely or Brexit bit them there. The model is not bad, but not much better than the repack from the star offers.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 25 November 2020 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        The Star still has Dragon.

        Here I may be mistaken, just at one time I had KR-shnye MiG-15 and 17, then I switched to 48 scale, so I did not follow the 72nd from Zvezda. Although there was such a moment with the MiG-15, Dregon provided preforms to Italeri, who at one time collaborated with Zvezda. By the way, the first MiG-29 and Su-27 at Zvezda were Italian, and then "NAKOTNYA" went ... Su-24 from Zvezda and Su-24 from Dregon are twins brothers ...
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 25 November 2020 15: 57
      0
      Well, Novosibirsk had the strongest speed modelers, copyists, they had to communicate and judge at competitions.
  • Potomac
    Potomac 25 November 2020 12: 58
    +2
    It seems to me that the colors have thickened a little. The same Star, trying to present the widest possible line of equipment of the USSR. Ukrainian Scythian, same place. The quality of all of them is inferior to analogues from other countries, except China. But the price is also more affordable. So, novice modellers are more likely to encounter representatives of domestic technology. Well, then, then at their request.
  • tomket
    tomket 25 November 2020 13: 02
    +8
    As an experienced modeler, I will now start smashing. So. In the distant distant childhood, in addition to novo-frog, there was also such a company as plasticart from the GDR, which cast quite good plastic for that time, and just from what is called the advanced novelties of the USSR. Here you have both the Su 7 and the Il-62 and the Mi-6, but if you want, rob the Il-4. Not to say that it was easy to get them, but I never saw a real frog. Only at low tide DFI. And the Baku cobra is still considered the most correct one. Further. The time of capitalism has come, and the damned bourgeois are feeding us exclusively Western technology, undermining the infectious patriotism. Although what is it? The best Yak-1b in 72 mastaba is now being poured by Poles from Arma Hobby! And the La-5 line Czechs from the Kyrgyz Republic !!! And the MiG-15s, including the board of Gagarin and Seregin, are Czechs from Edward again !!! An excellent line of MiG-25s, as well as a lot of Soviet experimental vehicles, such as the Il-102 for example or La-15 is poured in Ukraine !!!! It's time for the SBU to conduct investigations. And one of the best I-16 in 72m is still considered to be from the Japanese Hasegawa !!!! What is this? The adversary glorifies the open power and glory of the USSR and Russia ??? I'm afraid everything is more prosaic. The model world is still a specific world. Modelers are usually interested in exactly the model of technology, without the proverbial political or national color.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 November 2020 13: 36
      +3
      Quote: tomket
      As an experienced modeler, I will now start smashing.

      IL-4 from Plastikart? The first IL-4 at a scale of 1:72 appeared in the mid-90s, now I don't remember what kind of company it was, and two options were proposed, changing the nose part could get the DB-3A. Then Appeared at Zvezda, but worse, and relatively recently, IL-4 appeared at 1:48 from Vovsat ...
      Quote: tomket
      one of the best I-16s in 72m is still considered to be from the Japanese Hasegawa

      I don’t know about the I-16 from Hasegawa, but the fact that in the 80s they drove the MiG-23/27 and the MiG-25 is a fact, one of the best models of the MiG-21F-13 at 1:72 AT THAT TIME was the MiG from REVEL ... Again, the MiG-21 line from Fujimi at 1:72. By the way, the Minsk MiG-21 SMT of the late 80s is not a reasonably forgotten model at all!
      1. Alf
        Alf 25 November 2020 18: 58
        0
        Quote: Fitter65
        IL-4 from Plastikart?

        Planned for release. But the country was gone. In the GDR, they also produced, among other things, the MIG-15 in the hundredth scale, the Siebel 204, and the P-51D also in the hundredth.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 26 November 2020 00: 02
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Fitter65
          IL-4 from Plastikart?

          Planned for release. But the country was gone. In the GDR, they also produced, among other things, the MIG-15 in the hundredth scale, the Siebel 204, and the P-51D also in the hundredth.

          So it was planned for release and was on sale, as they say, different things ... Therefore
          Quote: tomket
          if you want, rob the IL-4
          in the days of the USSR it sounded differently, do you want an IL-4? Take the drawings from the Modeler-Constructor and do it ... I have never heard of the other models you mentioned from Plastikart, I have not met in any catalog. The Si-204 was produced in a scale of 1:72 by the Czech KR ... the Mustang which is P-51D, again at 1:72, I don’t remember which one I had first ...
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 November 2020 17: 22
            -1
            Quote: Fitter65
            I have never heard of the other models you mentioned from Plastikart, I have not met in any catalog

            And I didn’t say it was Plasticart. These models were produced by a cooperative from the GDR. If you're interested, pick up the first numbers of M-Hobby.
            With Siebel, yes, I did. But, again, the Czechs were not afraid of ideological sabotage - to release a model of the plane of the country that attacked Czechoslovakia, as some "tovarisch" asserts here.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 26 November 2020 17: 54
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              And I did not say that it was Plastic

              read above
              Quote: tomket
              In distant childhood, in addition to the novo-frog there was also such a company as plasticart from the GDR, which cast quite good plastic for that time, and just from what is called the advanced novelties of the USSR. Here you have Su 7 and Il-62 and Mi-6, but if you want, rob the Il-4

              okay rob IL-4
              Quote: Alf
              These models were produced by a cooperative from the GDR. If you're interested, pick up the first numbers of M-Hobby.

              Nude and what specific number? In my paper, the truth is only the MOST first issue of M-Hobby, №1. 01/1993. , the rest in Elektronka. In the first, there is no Il-4 from the GDR, as well as the GDR itself by 1993. Available in room number 3. 02/1994 description of the IL-4 model from the company APEX, but this is not from the GDR. The IL-4
              from Plasticart appeared almost in the late 80s Although if you had a childhood during these years, then I apologize hi In 1991, the Il-4 model from Revell appeared, what kind of plastic I will not lie, I don’t know, but again to do you want to collect IL-4, a rare model was, which means expensive, which means not everyone could do it do you want.
              1. Alf
                Alf 26 November 2020 18: 10
                0
                Quote: Fitter65
                Although if you had a childhood during these years then I apologize

                Why apologize for something?
                I'm not boasting, but I started collecting models in the 80s, and started modeling in 94 and until 2012. I learned a lot. So, in the first issues of M-X there were small blitz-quizzes. And it was there that infa about the Mustang and the IL-4 surfaced.
                Quote: Fitter65
                In 1991, the Il-4 model from Revell appeared, what kind of plastic I won't lie, I don't know,

                And this is Plasticart.




                The Germans are zealous people, why should they be lost, they decided at the Revell firm and privatized the plastic forms on the quiet. By the way, a couple of years ago, Revell began to produce plastic aircraft, of course, not all of them. They were afraid to release firewood in the form of TU-104 or IL-18.
                Quote: Fitter65

                Nude and what specific number?

                Honestly, I don’t remember, I’m too lazy to go after the disc.
        2. beeper
          beeper 26 November 2020 16: 06
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Fitter65
          IL-4 from Plastikart?

          Planned for release. But the country was gone. In the GDR, they also produced, among other things, the MIG-15 in the hundredth scale, the Siebel 204, and the P-51D also in the hundredth.

          hi In the mid-1970s I was presented with GeDeeRovskie, plastic, Soviet ones, a Yak-24 helicopter and an Il-18 airliner, the decals were cool and the "silver" paint was easy to assemble! good Beauty - looked great! fellow
          And also Plastikart, in large such beautiful boxes, produced plastic models of Soviet space rockets and satellites, were on sale in our department store, but I was not fond of this "space" with thin handrails-bars and delicate antennas. smile
  • Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 25 November 2020 13: 03
    -6
    The author of the article is right. Indeed, the Novo models played a huge propaganda role. But the purchase of these molds was hardly an accidental mistake, it was done deliberately. It would seem that it was possible to develop or order any molds for any aircraft abroad. For some reason, the same Poles and Czechs in those years, nothing prevented from developing and producing models of their aircraft, including models of Soviet aircraft that were in service with their Air Force. The results turned out to be catastrophic - the spread of primitive Anglophilia as opposed to "enlightened" England "bast" Russia in the style of "the British do not clean a gun with a brick." After buying a model, a person quickly found out that it was Spitfire (there was enough literature to identify prototypes of these models). Then there was a desire to learn about the combat use of Spitfire. As a result, we have several generations uncritically perceiving the British lubok about World War II, still ecstatically repeating about the "decisive importance of the Battle of Britain", which in reality simply did not exist, the same tales about the "decisive importance of Malta" and its "defense", etc. ... The Soviet myths of the 40s - 50s have long been deconstructed. And the British, which in essence are the usual military propaganda of those years, are still perceived at face value, and the ability to retell them for some reason is considered a sign of deep and comprehensive knowledge of WWII
    The refusal to purchase (or develop) molds for Axis equipment, primarily German, also had far-reaching consequences. This technique has become taboo and sacralized as a result. The effect turned out to be something like that you cannot glue the plastic model of the Tiger, otherwise it will come to life and take Moscow. And from this sacralization came the myth about the total and decisive material and technical superiority of the Wehrmacht over the Red Army, that it is impossible to defeat it otherwise than by "big blood" (later, when the models appeared, the myth was modernized into organizational superiority, decisive for the course and outcome of hostilities in experience, means of communication, artillery tractors and other educational delirium) The lack of intelligible ideas about German technology and the armed forces (which could be implanted through the same modeling) more than any other factor contributed to the spread of the myth about "threw corpses" and about the fact that "10k1 but the victory is all the more valuable" from the parallel branch about Timin's "research"
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 25 November 2020 13: 13
      +2
      The battle for Britain was and the Nazi aircraft lost it. The superiority of the Germans really was until mid-1943.
      1. Force multiplier
        Force multiplier 25 November 2020 13: 33
        +2
        Blessed is he who believes
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 25 November 2020 13: 35
          +2
          Faith is nothing to do with it, trivial facts how much and with what difficulty the Nazis were driven out of the USSR.
          1. Force multiplier
            Force multiplier 25 November 2020 13: 53
            0
            The recognition of performance characteristics of technology as a decisive factor influencing the course and outcome of hostilities is faith. And the banal facts are such that the directives for waging war against England completely refute the myth invented by Churchill
    2. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 17
      +5
      Quote: Force Multiplier
      After buying a model, a person quickly found out that it was Spitfire (there was enough literature to identify prototypes of these models). Then there was a desire to learn about the combat use of Spitfire.

      In the magazine "Wings of the Motherland in the late 70s and early 80s, there was a series of articles called" Lend-Lease Aircraft. "There, in addition to beautiful sides, there was a description of these aircraft, with facts of their combat use on the Soviet front, from these articles I learned that, for example, our pilots on the P-40 Tomahawk / Kittyhawk (as they wrote then) were much more effective than our allies, and the Airacobra was generally the best western aircraft. By the way, the A-20G Boston aircraft, which fought in the Red Army Air Force, on a scale 1:72 was produced in the USSR on Frog molds, so an inquisitive person who bought a model, looking for material on aviation, first of all turned to our publications such as Wings of the Motherland and Aviation and Cosmonautics, where the question of aviation identification was all From foreign publications it was possible to purchase the Polish "Skshidlatu Polska", and "Aviation and Astranavtika" from Czechoslovakia, everything was also in order there with patriotic education. So to identify Spitfire and read about its combat use and there weren't that many sources. I’m not talking about Hellcat, which many "identified" as Thunderbolt, we can not even talk about such unknown aircraft as Wildcat and Birket, and only a few people knew about the P-61 "Black Widow", and the models of these aircraft were they made us ... The shortage of literature in the 1970s-80s, in aviation was huge, and the fact that anyone who bought a model of an aircraft at that time could immediately recognize it and read about it all that he wanted is from the region fiction. Now, not everyone can tell the Su-9 from the MiG-21, and the Su-17m3 from the Su-22, and even at that time ...
      1. Force multiplier
        Force multiplier 25 November 2020 18: 12
        +1
        In addition to Czech and Polish magazines, there were cycles of articles on aviation in the model designer (the main article was about the Soviet aircraft and b / w side projections of foreign analogues and their performance characteristics). Some series of articles on the topic were in technology-youth (already with color illustrations). all this including the enemy's technique. And also TBiU brochures, Czech and Gdrovsky books on ships and planes. That is, not with one click, as now, but it was quite possible to find information
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 25 November 2020 18: 46
          +1
          Quote: Force Multiplier
          in the model designer (main article about the Soviet aircraft and b / w side projections of foreign analogues and their performance characteristics).

          Not only Soviet ones. I remember exactly Piper "Cab", Lockheed "Lightning", "Avro-504", "Hawkeye" ... Maybe I forgot someone else ...
          1. Force multiplier
            Force multiplier 25 November 2020 19: 02
            +1
            You are right, there were articles about these planes with drawings
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 25 November 2020 19: 10
              +1
              I also remembered - "Catalina". Namely PBY, not under the designation "GTS". Though in the Soviet coloring. :)
              1. Force multiplier
                Force multiplier 25 November 2020 19: 26
                +1
                Yes exactly. And the picture with Lightning seemed to depict Exupery's plane
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 25 November 2020 19: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Force Multiplier
                  Yes exactly. And the picture with Lightning seemed to depict Exupery's plane

                  The article was about the reconnaissance version of "lightning" and Exupery was mentioned in the text, but I don't remember what was in the picture. EMNIP, OZ were shtatovskie. Because, EMNIP, it was then that I first drew attention to the fact that US OZs are not applied like everyone else - there is only one OZ on top of the wing and only one underneath. Now I'll look for a picture.
                2. Reviews
                  Reviews 25 November 2020 19: 32
                  +1
                  You're right. I was wrong.


                  The color illustration shows French OZs. And I saw the American coloring in b / w photographs.
                  1. Force multiplier
                    Force multiplier 25 November 2020 20: 03
                    +1
                    Thanks for the scans, I even reread the article. Quite good for the 80s, the author wants to tell more than in the magazine of the place - both about the Frantic and about the P-61, only with the modification of the 190th I was mistaken
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 26 November 2020 12: 25
          +1
          Quote: Force Multiplier
          it was quite possible to find information

          Really, only for those who were interested, often even in big cities not everyone had access to a simple "Yunny Technik" or "Modelist-Constructor", they did not appear in Soyuzpechat regularly, and not every parent subscribed to them, as well as to " technology of youth ". And not everyone knew about the fact that there are such magazines as "Wings of the Motherland" or "Aviation and Cosmonautics", and then foreign publications were generally something out of the ordinary. Yes, there were libraries, but again the listed editions were not in every library, that is, the option bought a model and went to "hoof" material on it, not for that time. To do this, it was necessary at least to know where to look, or at least to know who to consult on this issue - where to look.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 26 November 2020 17: 26
            0
            Quote: Fitter65
            [even in big cities not everyone had access to a simple "Young Technician" or "Model-Constructor"

            But this is nonsense and lies.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 27 November 2020 11: 33
              0
              Quote: Avis
              But this is nonsense and lies.

              Not delirium or lies. The same Model constructor in our school was discharged to only three, or four. I accidentally found out about Wings of the Motherland, saw it at the Soyuzpechat kiosk, but my parents did not write it out for me, I began to write it out for myself. So not every kid could buy the above, and even more so somewhere outside the city ...
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 27 November 2020 11: 57
                0
                Quote: Fitter65
                Quote: Avis
                But this is nonsense and lies.

                Not delirium or lies. The same Model constructor in our school was discharged to only three, or four. I accidentally found out about Wings of the Motherland, saw it at the Soyuzpechat kiosk, but my parents did not write it out for me, I began to write it out for myself. So not every kid could buy the above, and even more so somewhere outside the city ...

                Delirium and lies. All these magazines were great for anyone with a subscription. Perhaps the "ZVO" was inaccessible, but not "MK", ​​"UT" and "KR".
                You had a shitty school environment ...
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 27 November 2020 13: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Avis
                  You had a shitty school environment ...

                  At least not rude like you. But what was it was. ZVO also did not belong to inaccessible ones - it was excellent for anyone by subscription. Only not all of them subscribed to these magazines. Once again I explain to those who have a walkie-talkie on an armored train, even the available information needs to be known where to look. If you do not have this knowledge of where to find it, then it is not a fact that you will continue to look for them.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 27 November 2020 13: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    Quote: Avis
                    You had a shitty school environment ...

                    At least not rude like you. But what was it was. ZVO also did not belong to inaccessible ones - it was excellent for anyone by subscription. Only not all of them subscribed to these magazines. Once again I explain to those who have a walkie-talkie on an armored train, even the available information needs to be known where to look. If you do not have this knowledge of where to find it, then it is not a fact that you will continue to look for them.

                    Yes, it is better to be humble than dumb. For only a stupid one could not subscribe at that time to "MK" and "UT". Well, if the "ZVO" was then publicly available, then quite well. And "MK" and "UT" it was as "accessible knowledge" as, say, the "Time" program on TV - EVERYONE knew about them. As well as "Young Naturalist", "TM", "Nizh" and "UT for Skillful Hands".
                    1. Fitter65
                      Fitter65 27 November 2020 16: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Avis
                      Yes, it is better to be humble than dumb. For only a stupid one could not subscribe at that time to "MK" and "UT".

                      Well, judging by your comments, you are not only stupid, but also the best student of woodpeckers. Once again, I explain to those who have a radio station on an armored train. Those who could subscribe magazines for themselves were at least financially sufficient, that is, they were of age, independent and could decide for themselves which magazine and when to subscribe or buy. If a person is 12 years old, then he somehow does not quite decide what he can write out, what to buy for himself and others.
    3. Torins
      Torins 25 November 2020 17: 54
      -1
      Fence grass you have lol
      1. Force multiplier
        Force multiplier 25 November 2020 18: 17
        +2
        Have you heard the saying about laughter for no reason?
    4. Alf
      Alf 25 November 2020 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Force Multiplier
      It would seem that it was possible to develop or order any molds for any aircraft abroad.

      When purchasing molds from IMA, the Soviet side included in the contract requirements for the production of 10 models of Soviet aircraft every year, and only large model firms could afford ten molds a year. There were also TU-22, LAGG-3, MIG-3, ANATRA, I-16, IL-2. I don't remember further.
      1. Force multiplier
        Force multiplier 25 November 2020 19: 40
        +1
        Moreover, a strange story, a competent contract, but in fact it turned out quite differently. But the Czechs were able to make quite decent models of their aircraft at that time. The Poles did it. Couldn't the USSR? It doesn't happen
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 November 2020 20: 01
          0
          Quote: Force Multiplier
          Moreover, a strange story, a competent contract, but in fact it turned out quite differently.

          There is nothing strange. The fact is that a year later, the company IMA, the owner of the FROG trademark, went bankrupt. Accordingly, all molds, all printing and all rights to the models were transferred to the USSR.
          Quote: Force Multiplier
          Couldn't the USSR? It doesn't happen

          Why couldn't he? I could very well. Here is a list of models that were developed and produced in the USSR.


          This I have not yet posted a list of ships and tanks. And the East and the Sunrise even if you remember ...
          1. Force multiplier
            Force multiplier 25 November 2020 20: 26
            +1
            I read about this story, but I do not think that what happened in fact is an accident or a coincidence.

            Only the Belarusian MiG and Po-2 were more or less at the level of quality of the model on a standard scale, comparable to the same Frog or superior to it. And this despite the fact that after 1991 a shaft of models from Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers immediately went. That is, there were both the necessary production capabilities and people. And they bought Frog, to whom they created an aura of mystery with these sea, front-line and other fighters, provoking a desire to find out this secret. Ideological preparation of perestroika
            1. Alf
              Alf 25 November 2020 20: 31
              0
              Quote: Force Multiplier
              Only the Belarusian MiG and Po-2 were more or less at the level of quality of the model on a standard scale, comparable to the same Frog or superior to it.

              Yes, you can't argue.
              Quote: Force Multiplier
              Ideological preparation of perestroika

              And bananas and pineapples, which sometimes appeared in stores in our shops, but in the USSR, as it were, did not grow, also ideological preparation?
              Quote: Force Multiplier
              provoking a desire to find out this secret.

              Well, I found out that the Marine Fighter is a Bristol Beaufighter Mk-21, so what? Have I become an enemy of the Union? Yes, and in the newspapers and magazines there was only a photo of a Soviet missile carrier, and then he found out that it was a MIG-25, is there a political background too?
              1. Force multiplier
                Force multiplier 25 November 2020 21: 03
                +1
                Catalog indices without the names of teenagers provoked to read about this technique, and through reading articles about English planes, acquainting them with the English mythology of the 2nd world. And for many, these myths were postponed as the truth, because they were promoted at one time semi-officially. Like "the authorities were hiding, but I found out that the front-line fighter is a Spitfire that won the" Battle of Britain "". Yes, the set is not that modification, but the fact of the matter is that starting to read about Spitfire, a young, still uncritically perceiving information and not having enough life experience, the modeler learns about its modifications, and about the Hurricane and about "never in the field of human conflict ... ". And when, after publications in the AIF, Icebreaker, etc., the Soviet patriotic myth was deconstructed to the masses, the myth of "the brave British who opposed Hitler alone" was not touched and is still perceived as true. The fruits in the thread about were showered with corpses of 10k1, and no arguments just to common sense that this could not be so in principle, supporters of this version are not confused. And look, 10k1 is most believed by users who are interested in and read literature about technology, aircraft, etc., who leave comments on such articles. And they also turned out to be the most susceptible to the propaganda "threw corpses." Most likely, their interest in the topic arose in the 80s and early 90s with Frog
                1. Alf
                  Alf 25 November 2020 21: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Force Multiplier
                  Catalog indices without the names of teenagers provoked to read about this technique, and through reading articles about English planes, acquainting them with the English mythology of the 2nd world. And for many, these myths were postponed as the truth, because they were promoted at one time semi-officially. Like "the authorities were hiding, but I found out that the front-line fighter is a Spitfire that won the" Battle of Britain "". Yes, the set is not that modification, but the fact of the matter is that starting to read about Spitfire, a young, still uncritically perceiving information and not having enough life experience, the modeler learns about its modifications, and about the Hurricane and about "never in the field of human conflict ... ". And when, after publications in the AIF, Icebreaker, etc., the Soviet patriotic myth was deconstructed to the masses, the myth of "the brave British who opposed Hitler alone" was not touched and is still perceived as true. The fruits in the thread about were showered with corpses of 10k1, and no arguments just to common sense that this could not be so in principle, supporters of this version are not confused. And look, 10k1 is most believed by users who are interested in and read literature about technology, aircraft, etc., who leave comments on such articles. And they also turned out to be the most susceptible to the propaganda "threw corpses." Most likely, their interest in the topic arose in the 80s and early 90s with Frog

                  Eh, how are you getting ready ..
                  In your opinion, if ALLIES 'planes stood in rows on my shelf, then I am the destroyer of the country? I have a monograph on Blenheim, so from there I learned that after May 10, 40, British losses in bombers reached 60% per flight. And how could that lead to 10 to 1? And the knowledge that Britain from September 39th to the summer of 41st confronted Germany in fact alone, how could it spoil my attitude towards the USSR? Or I found out that Douglas Bader fought on the Hurricane, a pilot without both feet (!) How could this politicize me?
                  Catalog indices without the names of teenagers provoked reading about this technique,

                  In 1979 they bought me such a set, it was also called "export".
                  From the instructions for the model, I learned that this is Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat, a US Navy fighter, its performance characteristics were also indicated there. And what of it ?
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 25 November 2020 21: 22
                    +1
                    Hellcat carrier-based fighter.
                  2. Force multiplier
                    Force multiplier 25 November 2020 22: 15
                    +1
                    And the knowledge that Britain from September 39th to the summer of 41st confronted Germany in fact alone, how could it spoil my attitude towards the USSR? Or I found out that Douglas Bader fought on the Hurricane, a pilot without both feet (!) How could this politicize me?

                    As a result, you have developed a positive image of the state, which in WWII used the peoples of the USSR as cannon fodder to maintain world domination. If not for Britain and its policies in 1933-1939, this war would never have happened. As a result, the USSR bled to death, and received the status of a scarecrow and an "empire of evil", and everything so that monarchical Britain was considered the beacon of democracy, which alone saved her as a gift for the whole world. You have read about the heroism of the RAF crews, you feel sympathy for them, and this information is already replacing information about the role of England in unleashing the war, even if you know and remember about it. This is how propaganda works. I understand that I am encroaching on the holy memories of childhood, but it is worth facing the truth
                    1. Fitter65
                      Fitter65 27 November 2020 12: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Force Multiplier
                      As a result, you have developed a positive image of the state, which in WWII used the peoples of the USSR as cannon fodder to maintain world domination. If not for Britain and its policies in 1933-1939, this war would not have happened at all.

                      Well, yes, it is a must. Especially when the book "One MiG from Tyasychi" tells how our A.I. Pokryshkin fought on the MiG-3 and Yak-1, and they never mentioned the Airacobra. They talked about BF Safonov, but it was not mentioned that he fought on the English Harikeins and American Kittyhawks. It was not toys and knowledge of foreign aircraft that destroyed the country, but propagandists like you.
                      Quote: Force Multiplier
                      You have read about the heroism of the RAF crews, you feel sympathy for them, and this information is already replacing information about the role of England in unleashing the war, even if you know and remember about it.

                      You talked about Gastello's feat, but hesitated to say why the long-range bombers DB-3A and DB-3F performed an unusual task. The memoirs of Georgy Vasilyevich Zimin, where he told how his regiment fought on the Hurricanes, were shyly hidden. But when an article about German pilots was published, in the AIF, if memory serves in 1990, then you are all poo-u-uk, and did not know how to reasonably refute these "Tales of Baron Ruedel". One moment is indicative, in 1989, on Victory Day, there was an exhibition of poster modeling in Novosibirsk, people from the heart brought everything they could, the exhibition was opened, people went, but ... One figure came from the Komsomol (like you), saw German technology and started yell, like how can you show the enemy's technique on such a bright holiday. The organizers did not even know what to say in response, because he is essentially right, just like you. But a veteran with his grandson turned out to be near the stand, he said very good words - Look, granddaughter, what strength we have broken ... EVERYTHING. There was nothing more to say. Such are the Soviet officials, having bought pressfrma, banned the release of the Fokker D XXI model, these "experts" heard the word fokker and all "nizzya". What were you afraid of? What will the people learn about the fact that German technology was superior to ours? For some reason, the same French and British, with the Americans stamping Messer, Focke-Wulfs and other equipment on which the Nazis fought, and do not cease to be proud of their homeland and army. Maybe our country collapsed not because of the fact that on my shelf along with the Yak-1, Il-2, Hurricane (made in Poland) La-7, La-5, Spifair produced in Czechoslovakia, Wellington, Thunderbolt and Lightning made in USSR - there were Messerschmitt-109E / F, FV-190, Not-111, FV-189, eh? Maybe because someone at the top wanted to become new princes? I am certainly exaggerating the question a little, but it was not the people who ruined, but its rulers, who wanted a lot of everything at once.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 27 November 2020 17: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Fitter65
                        It was not toys and knowledge of foreign aircraft that destroyed the country, but propagandists like you.

                        Well said ! Honest +.
                      2. Force multiplier
                        Force multiplier 27 November 2020 19: 14
                        0
                        Your comment is a great illustration of what I am writing about. The same tone and style that you chose when writing it indicates that you wrote it in an inadequate state, which means that the dialogue will not take place with us. But still I want to say this.

                        Fokker was released in the USSR and it was freely available for sale. Everyone who was interested in Pokryshkin's Cobra and Lend-Lease planes knew about it, it was not a secret. Naturally, no one hid the memoirs, etc. They were printed by the official publishing house MO. One gets the impression that you know all this only by hearsay.

                        For some reason, the same French and British, with the Americans churning out Messer

                        Read the title comment, I already said there that the rejection of the production of models of German technology led to its sacralization and endowment with supernatural powers, and ultimately to the popularization of the myth about filling up with corpses. But instead of producing first of all Soviet, then German equipment, other equipment of the Soviet-German front, and the rest of the Allied equipment on a leftover basis (as Airfix did, and the same frog in relation to his country), the union was overwhelmed with penny, easily accessible models in the bulk of British and American aircraft.

                        ruined not the people, but its rulers

                        My comment is about this, re-read the thread. The people were being prepared for perestroika. The people were literally hammered into their heads with an inferiority complex in front of the West, admiration, in this case British, and disdain for the domestic. And then they told about Hartman, but "forgot" to tell about the organizational structure of the Red Army Air Force in 1941 and the tasks of the Long-Range Bomber Aviation
                      3. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 28 November 2020 03: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Force Multiplier
                        the tone and style you chose when writing it indicates that you wrote it in an inadequate state, which means that our dialogue will not take place.

                        Well, yes, if I do not agree with your point of view, it means not adequate.
                        Quote: Force Multiplier
                        Fokker was released in the USSR and it was free for sale.

                        Fokker appeared on sale much later than other models, for the very reason I spoke about.
                        Quote: Force Multiplier
                        Everyone who was interested in Pokryshkin's Cobra and Lend-Lease planes knew about it, it was not a secret.

                        There was no secret, but they tried not to advertise,
                        Quote: Force Multiplier
                        Memoirs, of course, also no one hid, etc.

                        Of course they did not hide it, just remember about "Memories and Reflections" by G.K. Zhukova
                        Quote: Force Multiplier
                        People were literally hammered into their heads with an inferiority complex in front of the West, admiration,

                        Of course they did. 30 years before perestroika, they began to drive in an inferiority complex when they announced the cult of personality, and began to lie from the grandstands about how we did not live right. When they began to shout from the stands that we would catch up and overtake, then an inferiority complex appeared - not only not among the people, but among our leadership, which, with its illiterate and incompetent actions, led the country to an abyss.
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 27 November 2020 11: 41
          0
          Quote: Alf
          I could very well. Here is a list of models that were developed and produced in the USSR.
          True, some of these models were, so to speak, not a fountain, but they were. But there were also models no worse than Western ones ...
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 November 2020 17: 40
            -1
            Quote: Fitter65
            Quote: Alf
            I could very well. Here is a list of models that were developed and produced in the USSR.
            But there were also models no worse than Western ones ...

            What kind ? I didn't come across such.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 28 November 2020 02: 09
              0
              Quote: Alf
              What kind ? I didn't come across such.

              The same Po-2 and MiG-21SMT from Minsk, I-16 from Kiev - I'm talking about plastic. These models were quite at the level, though the nondescript box and the lack of decals lowered this level to zero.
              1. Alf
                Alf 28 November 2020 19: 13
                -1
                Quote: Fitter65
                The same Po-2 and MiG-21SMT from Minsk,

                This is how amateurs did after the USSR.
                Quote: Fitter65
                I-16 from Kiev - I'm talking about plastic.


                This ? This is the horror that flies on the wings of the night. I rarely speak, but in this case, at KEMZI in Kiev, they could not even rip off Revell well. At one time they gave me such a GIFT, the person simply did not know what to do with such firewood. I grew up on NOVO and know well how to work with a file and putty, but THIS was beyond my strength, I shoved it further as a gift to someone.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 29 November 2020 02: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Alf
                  This ? This is the horror that flies on the wings of the night.

                  In 1986, they brought me an I-16, it was perfectly cast, without sinks and bursts ... Well, the bulk of our modelers grew on NOVO. I got such a quality "Percival Proctor" ... And then at 95 I switched to 48th, we had such Chinese clones of Akedemia and Hasegawa on the market that the "Ishachek" shown in the photo is generally a masterpiece.
  • Alex2
    Alex2 25 November 2020 13: 07
    +3
    To whom does the author of the claim - to a private domestic manufacturer? The star produces what they buy and in the amount they buy.
  • tomket
    tomket 25 November 2020 13: 09
    +2
    It turns out that one firm cannot produce everything and everything, with the exception of Trumpeter, of course. And firms have to knock out and master their ecological niche. For example, the Ukrainian ICM has mastered the MiG-25 line. And hardly anyone will move her away. The star makes the Su-27 line well. Yes, of course, the unique Su-35 from the GVH, and it is unlikely that it will turn out to be surpassed, but the price there is unsurpassed. Czechs pour a lot of La-7 with all the famous Soviet aces. Modelswift makes the Su-17 line, and so on and so forth.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 November 2020 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      For example, the Ukrainian ICM has mastered the MiG-25 line. And hardly anyone will move her away. The star makes the Su-27 line well.

      Only if ICM makes the MiG-25 in 72 and 48, albeit with some flaws, then Zvezda drives the Su-27 only in 72 (also with some shortcomings). But China is driving the Su-27/35 and MiG-25 lineup. I don’t want to talk about the curves of the MiG-23/27 from Trubach, but there is still no alternative in the 48th scale. By the way, the Su-27UB from KN is not much and worse than the same device from GWH, especially since I already held the KN in my hands, but from GWH they suggest waiting another month ...
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 25 November 2020 13: 12
    +3
    The hobby of the Leonardo hypermarket is full of models. I didn't pay attention to planes, but Soviet tanks have everything. Another question is that their price bites. And what the hell did the author illustrate with a photo from the Toy Museum?
  • Kronos
    Kronos 25 November 2020 13: 40
    +2
    It remains only to write an article on how Western sweets poisoned the children of the USSR for a complete set of paronoi.
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  • Luty
    Luty 25 November 2020 13: 44
    +4
    A very one-sided look. You can buy everything, both Soviet and Western samples. But there are more Westerners because there were actually more of them. My grandson has a whole line of KV and T 34 - almost all of which were in serial and small-scale production. And from different manufacturers. It all depends on - "What do you want?"
  • pytar
    pytar 25 November 2020 14: 07
    +12
    Crazy stat! fool The toys are to blame! belay
    How the toys of the country destroy

    If toys can destroy a country, then such a country is not worth a dime!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 25 November 2020 14: 22
      +6
      If toys can destroy a country, then such a country is not worth a dime!

      Golden words, to the point! drinks
  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 November 2020 14: 41
    +6
    Another delirium from the series "We have been exposed, are exposed and will be exposed ..."
    According to the author's logic, in order to preserve the people and the country, everyone must change their shoes in bast shoes and onuchi, change into army jackets and prohibit shaving their beards.
  • andr327
    andr327 25 November 2020 15: 06
    +2
    Some statistics. On the Zvezda website there is a section of equipment from the Second World War: Soviet models - 23, German - 46, the rest - 26. Here is the weapon of Victory. No further comments.
    And questions to those who form the assortment on the shelves.
    1. Alf
      Alf 25 November 2020 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: andr327
      models of Soviet technology - 23 items,

      Well, excuse me that in the USSR there was not such a variety of equipment, the Star closed almost 100% of the positions. There are three types of T-34s alone, three KV, IS-2, all self-propelled guns, except the SU-76, and the pre-war to the fig.
  • Cympak
    Cympak 25 November 2020 15: 12
    +3
    The author stop using the rotten gifts of the vile west, take off your imported clothes and shoes, throw away imported electronics, disconnect from the enemy Internet. And continue to hate the West, sitting in a fashion house wearing red fur and watching Swan Lake on black and white TV.
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  • Old26
    Old26 25 November 2020 15: 17
    +8
    Having collected a certain number of models, and at the same time having matured, now the young man saw that the models of aircraft that he had happily acquired by that time were mainly combat aircraft of Western countries. Albeit WW II period, but from the West. And he (already having the experience of "hunting" for these same toys, and at the same time buying firm boxes and parts from blacksmiths) often, along with this experience, had a formed and very impartial opinion about the country in which he was born and grew up. About the state, about power and much more about something else. Which was very successfully promoted by the same shortage of these very models and the numerous problems associated with bringing them to mind.

    The author wrote nonsense. A large number of my friends had this hobby. Some were older than me, others younger, but what the author writes did not cause an impartial opinion about the country to anyone.
    I myself avoided this hobby, although as a child there were prefabricated models of "Aurora" and MIG-9, MIG-21 and IL-18, TU-104 and IL-62. But compared to how seriously my acquaintances (of different ages) were doing this, it was not my hobby.

    Anyone can be blamed for anything. But the same "non-patriots" who collected the Luftwaffe planes later went through the crucible of two Chechens.

    And the author, speaking about the models of "our" technology and "not our", forgets one thing. That in the west, the production of the same models of aircraft, tanks, ships is an industry. And they often first of all released what was in demand among them. Soviet equipment was in demand, Soviet equipment was produced, Western equipment was used - Western equipment was produced. At one time, at my new friend's house, I was struck by two simply huge models B-52 and TU-95. And only Soviet tanks were under glass.
    And the fact that sometimes a model of the F-415 aircraft appeared in our country is already the fault of our propaganda, when everything was kept secret and we learned about our own military equipment from Western sources of information.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 25 November 2020 15: 32
    +4
    Well, the author himself wrote for the main reason! (And where do they come from, if even the MiG-15 or MiG-17 still do not even have adequate blueprints?). Increased secrecy of everything that is needed and not needed.
    And politics clearly has nothing to do with it.
    The same Yak-9 had a bunch of modifications! let the author try to raise the drawings in the archives. It's just unrial.
  • for
    for 25 November 2020 17: 04
    -1
    The article should have been called "The main reason for the collapse of the USSR."
  • Type 63
    Type 63 25 November 2020 17: 30
    +4
    Not an article, but nonsense. Zvezda has a lot of models of Soviet / Russian technology. And how much "Trumpeter" produces! A lover of the Soviet can easily find the right car.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 25 November 2020 17: 48
      +1
      What does Trumpeter have to do with it when it comes to the Soviet and early Russian period? The Chinese now make a lot of Soviet and Russian equipment in models, so they have many more manufacturers than we do in Russia. And here is the C-130 Hercules, why is the Star? There are models from Revell not bad. I don’t understand that. It is clear Trumpeter, Hobby boss and other Chinese will do a lot, but the C-130 from the Star is in this row ...
      1. Alf
        Alf 25 November 2020 19: 16
        0
        Quote: DenZ
        And here is the C-130 Hercules, why is the Star? There are models from Revell not bad. I don’t understand that. It is clear Trumpeter, Hobby boss and other Chinese will do a lot, but the C-130 from the Star is in this row ...

        Compare prices. At one time, Hurricane from Hasik cost 1400 rubles, a year later Revell repacked the same plastic, the price became 700-800. There is a difference. In addition, what year was the release of Hercules from Revell, but the Star made it anew.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 26 November 2020 16: 38
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          Quote: Alf
          In addition, what year was the release of Hercules from Revell, but the Star made it anew.

          The revolving S-130 is not so bad. Why not make the IL-18 Star (for example). On its basis, then Il-38. That would be beauty. And the crafts of the Ukrainian Amodel for 12-15 kilo rubles are to be taken as a rich patriot.
  • DenZ
    DenZ 25 November 2020 17: 43
    +2
    "Toys rule people" (or "the world") - Napoleon seems to have said. And I completely agree with him.
  • Old26
    Old26 25 November 2020 18: 07
    +4
    Quote: Fitter65
    The lack of literature in the 1970s-80s, aviation was huge

    This applied not only to aviation, but everything else. The fleet was also a kind of "terra incognita" for us. The names of the ships were often encountered, but what class they belonged to, etc. - all this was practically unknown. You could read about the warship in the GDR literature, or in the Polish, rather than in the domestic
  • Alf
    Alf 25 November 2020 18: 26
    +1
    ANT-25 is a record aircraft, on which V.P. Chkalov for the first time in the USSR flew over the North Pole. I-16 - the world's first monoplane fighter with retractable landing gear. La-5 is the world's only large-scale solid-wood fighter of the WWII period.
    Yak-15, MiG-9 - the first serial jet fighters in the USSR. The MiG-15 is the first large-scale jet fighter in the USSR with a swept wing. The MiG-19 is the first large-scale supersonic fighter in the USSR. The MiG-23 is the USSR's first large-scale supersonic fighter with a variable geometry wing.
    Il-28 is the first large-scale jet bomber in the USSR.
    A wide range of models - copies of these aircraft have not been available for almost 40 years, so there are still no copies.

    The author is lying like a gray gelding. All modelers have these models on the shelves. One 23-x two modifications - ML and MLD.
    Here are just our models (copies of Soviet technology, a domestic developer and manufacturer), as in the 80s - clearly watery.

    You are lying again, and even with a whistle.
    It is easier to say what model of Soviet technology is now missing. Author, take a look at the catalog of the company "Zvezda", if, of course, you know about such. And then there is the Orient Express, ARK ...
    Now about the NEWS.
    I wonder if the author is aware that at the conclusion of the contract, FROG undertook to supply 10 (!) Molds for SOVIET aircraft every year? And precisely at the request of the Soviet side. Another thing is that the company itself has gone out of business.
    And they admired. Achievements of the aviation industry of the West.

    Yes, and I still believe that the Mustang was an excellent fighter and at altitudes over 6000 in the Red Army Air Force there were no aircraft capable of fighting on an equal footing. The same can be said about Spitfire, especially starting with version 14.
  • DWG1905
    DWG1905 25 November 2020 18: 35
    +4
    Well, the author is completely out of topic. Obviously not a modeler, not a collector, not a fan of various hardware, etc. etc. Not our man! The fact that the light industry in the USSR was developed is not very much discussed. However, which of the boys of the USSR did not assemble at least one model of Ogonyok? Before the advent of computers and CNC, it was very difficult to make a master model and mold from it. Now, if you know how to work in CAD programs, design, print on a 3D printer, you want to buy ready-made, you want glue out of the box. No problems. There would be a desire.
    I ask to visit me, beginning with a Soviet toy.
    https://drawingstanks.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_26.html
    Rather than writing stupid articles, it is better to do something useful to promote the Soviet legacy.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 25 November 2020 18: 39
    0
    they lost the ideological war both because the must and to shamelessly lied rewriting history and not only, but as history has shown you cannot go far, a clumsy ideology causes the opposite effect
  • Cympak
    Cympak 25 November 2020 18: 44
    +3
    When I read such articles, for some reason I remember the commissars of Nashi. They were already patriotic patriots. And everyone wanted to teach others how to love the Motherland, and at the expense of the state. And how they threatened the enemies of Russia in the West!
    And as the "feeding trough" closed, these "commissars" began to emerge, either in the United States (telling how happy they are to receive a green card), then in Germany (through German repatriates), then in prison (for embezzlement).
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 25 November 2020 19: 21
    +1
    Well, I don’t know how for the propaganda of the Western, but when I was collecting the model of the librerator (such yellow plastic) I did not think about something described by the author at all. In the metal in the years AD 85-87 in Barnaul, there were amazing models assembled in metal on a stand in 43 scale, it seems that there are model airplanes. They were very cool, they licked their lips with the whole yard at such, but they were expensive, although they were quickly disassembled, but they were constantly on sale.
    1. Alf
      Alf 25 November 2020 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: evgen1221
      In the metal in the years edok 85-87 in Barnaul, there were amazing models assembled in metal on a stand in 43 scale, it seems like model airplanes

      And you are not mistaken about the scale? Is it 72? There were metal I-16, I-153, YAK-3, LA-5, IL-2, MBR-2. The price of 8 rubles was quite high.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 25 November 2020 20: 17
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        Well, he could be mistaken - according to childhood memory, there was a small airplane, in a box under glass and looked very natural, like a monoplane. I don’t use scales because I haven’t glue anything except tiles for a long time)))
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 November 2020 20: 25
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          Quote: evgen1221
          small airplane, in a box under glass

          It is the same.
          Quote: evgen1221
          for a long time I have not glue anything except tiles)))

          laughing good
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 25 November 2020 22: 45
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    I was also fond of modeling then. And models and LA-5 and Yak-3 and I-16, IL-2, Pe-2 and Tu-2, MIG15 and others I WERE. Yes, I also had the notorious "Frontline Fighter" (Supermarine Spitfire Mk9), and "Marine Stormtrooper" (Bristol Beaufighter), and "Stormtrooper-Reconnaissance" (A-36 Apache), and many others. There was no problem to identify them. Magazines Technology of the youth and books on aircraft of the Second World War - There were. But there were no MODERN Soviet aircraft models. From the word GENERAL. I had a Su-7 (made in Germany), there were MI-2, Mi-4 helicopters (generally white, it was necessary to paint, however I bought the same "white" model, with torpedoes and a little freaked out after recognizing it British LINKS), according to my Ka-25 I also had, but WITHOUT torpedoes. To the question "Where are the MiG-23 and Su-17", the shops honestly told me that "The planes are in service with the USSR Air Force and are CLASSIFIED." But I had a yak25, also a Soviet model is also completely white. And it was, frankly, fun to buy another "Sea Fighter" (Hellket) or "Heavy Fighter" (P47) or "Escort Fighter" (P38) or "Night Fighter (P61), and then rummage through books and scratch turnips." what is it that I bought and assembled "? This is how I acquired the models" De Haviland Vampire "," Hauker Harrier "," Hurricane ", and even C Hornet. My friends and I would WOULD be WOULDING to assemble the EP-2 or Ar-2 or Su-2, but these models simply WERE NOT. From the word ANYWHERE. And if we got the hang of making models of airplanes out of paper, according to drawings, and even though we had such models, then the drawings of the MiG-23 and Su-17 (not to mention MiG-29 and Su-27) it was not possible to get it or see it anywhere. Do you want to make Mirage F1? Here's a "Foreign Military Review" there you can find a drawing in three projections, and with the help of cardboard, paper, PVA and paint to do something more or less reminiscent of Mirage F1, KFIR C2, Mirage-3 or something else.I even made F4 from paper according to drawings, and the military instructor praised it very much, said that well done. " But it was simply impossible to find the blueprints of the MIG-23 or Mig029 in the late 80s in the USSR. We would have been glad, but we were openly told "Classified"
    But in the USA, meanwhile, they produced models of both the MiG-23 and the Su-17 and the MiG29 and the Su-27, despite the "Secrecy". By the way, even in American cinema, they joked about Soviet secrecy. Film Iron Eagle. Russians come to help the Americans against some kind of terrorists. The American says "This is your new BMP-3" and starts issuing performance characteristics. The Soviet sergeant flaunts and says "But this is a secret car", to which the American laughs and says "maybe there is something secret on it, but I bought this BMP model half a year ago and glued it together." ... But in the USA it was different. Toy soldiers of excellent quality (green Army Maine), compared with which plastic cavalrymen and soldiers made in the USSR looked very mediocre. But even Green Army Man is cheap. The real propaganda toys in the USA (supported by cartoons) are GI Joe sets, very detailed toys, beautifully made and painted, with working joints, a huge amount of various equipment (up to the aircraft carrier). And of course cartoons on which the special forces "Dzhi I Joe" severely bent the Terrorist Organization Cobra (for fans of Cobra, no less detailed toys and sets of weapons were produced). And most of the children born in the mid 70s and early 80s went through these cartoons and toys. You can still see cars in the USA with the emblems of GI Joe, Cobra, Transformers and Decepticons (by the way, cartoons and toys for both series were made by the same company). By the way there was another series "COPS" which popularized the police. However, the series about detectives and wolfhounds are still dofig here. I was very impressed with the quality of JI Joe's toys and cartoons. And I did not understand how the Soviet leadership did not think of doing exactly the same thing at home. For example, the TV series "MISHA", where Soviet soldiers would have fought both the capitalists, their hirelings, nationalists and terrorists and fascists by their side. "\ Was it really difficult to think of it? The cartoon" Uncle Styopa "was good, but a little naive. they were chasing reckless drivers, burglars, robbers and drug dealers. " By the way, at the end of EVERY cartoon and JI Joe and KOPS, one of the many characters appeared, explaining to the children what was right and what was not. The children would say "Now we know" in chorus, to which the character replied "And knowing is half the battle". (We know, and knowledge is half the victory).
    Moreover, there was a HUGE amount of war films and TV series. And about Vietnam, and about Korea and about the Second World War. For example, "Black Sheep Squadron" is based on real events, with real historical faces and real Corsair fighters (which I was a fan of), since I knew perfectly well that real Yaks, La and Messers were not filmed in the epic "Battle of Moscow" But I'm distracted. As far as I understand, in the 70s and 60s there were even more of these "patriotic" toys, more detailed (and more expensive). In the USA, these series and films (many are pretty good, for example, "Big Red Unit" about the First Division, "The Devil's Dozen" where they took volunteer prisoners and they all died doing the task and earning a pardon (Charles Bronson is great in this film, like everywhere else.) Was a huge industry. and then this is anime and made, he, emnip by the Japanese for one episode.
    The United States has very successfully instilled patritotism, and even jingoism, in all generations born before the 90s. And it is right.
    Unfortunately, the USSR did not copy the American experience. War films were also very good, but good films were usually very difficult and, well, not at all for children. And in the USA, the same "Black Sheep Squadron" was entertaining, not idiocy at the level of "Hogan's Heroes", where American prisoners of war lead a cheerful life in a German concentration camp, "but still entertaining and far from being as difficult as" Going into battle alone old men "or" Torpedo bombers "or" Chronicle of a dive bomber ". Yes, the pilots died there, but there were losses, but still "We are cool and the Japanese are cleaning their snouts every day and twice on Sundays." And this show was MUCH easier to watch than "Torpedo Bomber" or "Chronicle of a Dive Bomber", which, when I showed them to the Americans, immediately reminded them of the Japanese Kamikaze. I was immediately asked, "What in the USSR forced the pilots to register in Kamikaze?"
    As a modeler, we collected WHAT WE COULD GET. I got the Aircobra - I collected the Aircobra. Got the "Sea Fighter" - assembled the Sea Fighter (Hellcat). By the way, the model ships were no better. Model "Heavy Cruiser" - Bought, assembled, a strange cruiser. three towers, two cannons each. It seems not Kirov, there should be three. It seems not Tallinn, there are four towers, it seems not the Red Caucasus or something else ... rummaged in the Model Designer - and this is the British Cruiser Exeter. Why not Kirov? But I boldly attached the Soviet flag to Exeter. I bought a destroyer model. Collected. I'm trying to find out what it is, like a modern one, like with radars, and why, instead of RBU, it has some kind of three-barreled mortar ??? It turned out to be also a British "Leander". also hung the Soviet flag on it. The question is, why were there no models of SOVIET cruisers on sale? Why was there no "Chervona Ukrainy"? "Kirov?" Destroyers "Project 57A"? And it just wasn't. Classified? Okay, let's say they are classified. Only in the Modelist constructor were the drawings of the Class 56M, and the model was not. By the way, I also pasted red stars on the Spitfire Frontline Fighter :-).

    The problems were not that we produced "Incognito" models of British and American aircraft, but that there was a small assortment of OUR aircraft. Mirage F1 Beautiful and graceful, but Mig23MLD is no less beautiful. And about the fact that ours have not created an equivalent to toys and cartoons "GI Joe" is a completely different and very sad conversation.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 26 November 2020 10: 54
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      Everything has its time. In our childhood, which took place in the 60-70s, - yes, there was a passion for modeling and homemade products - well, that was a creative time then. There were no computers at that time - it was then largely replaced by imagination. Now, another world - more or more disappearing into "virtuality" - the computer creates more and more realistic virtual images and worlds, much more attractive to children than gluing together models. Children now, all these models are not needed - it is much more interesting for them to "cut" into computer games. The computer killed in the bud both modeling and "technical creativity", why create something by hand, when the computer gives you a ready-made "virtual" on a silver platter, moreover, in all the details .... I was here, I was visiting comrade and found his son a fan of virtual games, not only does he have a fancy computer, but also a chair like from a spaceship, with different joysticks, buttons, etc. ... and even a virtual reality helmet. What kind of "models" are there, he is completely immersed in the "virtualka" there ...
    2. Alf
      Alf 26 November 2020 17: 46
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      Quote: Baron Pardus
      The question is, why were there no models of SOVIET cruisers on sale? Why was there no "Chervona Ukraine"? "Kirov?"

      Kirov.



      1. Alf
        Alf 26 November 2020 17: 47
        -1
        More about Kirov.
      2. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 26 November 2020 22: 29
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        In general, I heard about this model right now from YOU. With models of ships, except for the Aurora Varyag (the times of the Russian-Japanese) and Potemkin, it was not so hot. Toys were produced - a cast-iron body, white plastic towers and masts. Extremely low quality, but there was no need to collect them. There was such a Destroyer Wrathful and Missile Cruiser Varyag. I hunted for models all over Ukraine and sometimes in Moscow. The ships were tight. It got to the point that the guys and I took the drawings from the Modeler Constructor (there was a series about ships), and made the models ourselves from cardboard (base), pasted over with paper and painted. I had about ten such "self-sticks", Kirov, Brooklyn (I remember how impressed I was that it had as many as 15 155mm guns), Cleveland, Mioko, Tallinn, Tashkent (The drawing was very good in the book "Weapons of Victory" and others. But we made every detail out of paper ourselves. And the wire served as the barrels of the MZA. But this is a mockery. We have been disfiguring over each such model for weeks. And the scale was "By eye" If our drawing is 15 centimeters, then everyone decided to make a model 30cm or 45cm. Just measured everything on the drawings with a ruler and multiplied. Naturally, a lot of inaccuracies. But this is not the case. I repeat, in the USA many models could be freely bought, but we had to look for them. The same Frontline and Sea fighters I bought when my friend Sashka called me and said “I just got two models, I don’t know which ones, but they seem cool” and went 45 minutes there, 45 minutes back for two models (Frontline Fighter and Sea Fighter). was not what they say and They produced ncognito equipment (there was even a Jaguar incognito model), but even our models, Yaki, Pe-2, Tu-2 were in some deficit. Therefore, they did it themselves, out of paper. According to drawings and pictures in 3 dimensions from books and magazines.
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 November 2020 22: 36
          -1
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          and we had to look for them.

          Yes, I do not argue. In Kuibyshev, my models appeared in Youth, Samara, Shanghai, Teremka, and, perhaps, that's all. So we drove around them like a master's estate. We also met there. Yes, and the "telegraph" worked-Petka, in Teremka, something twin-engine. All there!
        2. Fitter65
          Fitter65 27 November 2020 11: 23
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          Quote: Baron Pardus
          Toys were produced - a cast-iron body, white plastic towers and masts.

          There was also such a direction, I had only plastic "AURORA", Potemkin "and" Arctic "from the ships. By the way, they are now being released on a new basis. I really went to" aviation. "By the way, in the early 80s, metal models of Soviet Scale 1:72, MBR-2, I-16, Yak-3 is from what I had ...
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 28 November 2020 01: 47
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            Yeah, iron models. Good quality, only they didn't have to be collected, but put on the shelf right away. For beauty. I had Yak and La, and Ilyushin such as SU100, T-34-85 and BS-3. But it was more interesting to COLLECT, and yes, it was cool to have Spitfire, Hurricane, A-36 on your shelf (variant of the Mustang with Allison, there he has something like a small radiator over the engine. The model was called "Stormtrooper - scout", like ), P-38, Beaufighter (naval attack aircraft) and others. And modeling did nothing to popularize fascist weapons. And here are the books and articles in Youth Technique and Modeler Constructor, but there was interest. I still remember how freaked out when, at the age of 12, I read that the engines on Do217 were almost one and a half times more powerful than they were on Pe-2, and that this Do217 carried twice as many bombs and at the same speed. No less crazy when I read about MOSKITO. About his engines, bomb load and speed. Compared to the Mosquito, the Pe-2 looked very, very mediocre for me then. And Pe 3 too. The armament on the fighter variants of MOSKITO looked like wildly cool. All this was in the public domain, and yes, I wanted the Mosquito to stand on the shelf, I wanted the A20 to stand, to the Avenger. and next to it is the Corsair. I already had Spitfire, Hurricane and Cobra :-). About the Corsair in general laughter. I found some kind of motor in the yard from some kind of model. Maybe a fragment from a model aircraft or something else. I took this motor and made a Corsair out of paper. Then a friend traded a booth from the devil knows what plane, and glued it to the "corsair" by thrusting the "stripping" part of the cockpit under the gargot. I painted everything with dark blue paint, just like the Corsair was in the "Technique of Youth" and was very pleased. I would also find such a "motor" - I would have another mixed plane.
            By the way, I quickly finished with the ships. The ships that I wanted to glue were either not there at all, or it was difficult to get it. And to glue ships from scratch out of paper - you will get bogged down. It helped that my friend, Sasha, my mother constantly wandered to Poland (she was a Pole by nationality - Casimir) and brought us with him paper magazines from which quite sickly models were glued, (Sasha had Pride - Vittorio Venetto, still he has it). And we learned to make our own models using these magazines. The quality, of course, was not comparable, but better than nothing. But tanks and airplanes are much lighter than ships, on ships of parts - zadolbaesh.Tanks and airplanes are dearer to me. Well, my soul is not sea :-). And the tanks were made of paper. We took pictures in three projections and did everything according to them. I had such a Panther, I gave it to the Voenruk, that he gave me 5 points for it :-). Then I made for him the Cobra Tou, and the M60, and the AMX30 and the Leopard-1, and other tanks. He used them as a "visual aid for identifying enemy vehicles."

            oh, my youth is naive, kind and careless ... My children will NEVER have this :-( not that world.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 November 2020 23: 14
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    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Pessimist22
    So in power

    You're oversimplifying everything ...

    Explain and specify .... sad
    Quote: Nasr
    Quote: Lesovik

    You're oversimplifying everything ...

    And the author, on the contrary, complicates and thickens everything!
    And all the references to non-patriotic youth, tell the guys who passed in the 90s of Chechnya ... the same company of paratroopers who did not leave from a height ...

    And the fact that the USSR collapsed is not the fault of the people and youth in particular, but the fault of the ruling party ...

    No need to earn stars with platitudes. lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 25 November 2020 23: 20
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    Quote: astepanov
    .... As well as selling, by the way, pampers instead of endlessly washed gauze diapers. When you "unload" them, diapers are an irreplaceable thing: after this procedure, you are ready for any feats for the glory of the fatherland. If only not to see them again ...
    Poor fellow, apparently your spouse left you, or you her ..... In short, the Soviet government is to blame! lol
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 26 November 2020 03: 57
    +1
    The author is right ..., everything starts with little things, and consists of them, on the other hand, the still Russian-speaking biomass is also a temporary phenomenon, will gradually move to other languages, and the Russian people will become just one of the disappeared peoples, it's a pity of course. ...
  • Old26
    Old26 26 November 2020 14: 27
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    Quote: Baron Pardus
    But it was simply impossible to find the blueprints of the MIG-23 or Mig029 in the late 80s in the USSR. We would have been glad, but we were openly told "Classified"
    But in the USA, meanwhile, they produced models of both the MiG-23 and the Su-17 and the MiG29 and the Su-27, despite the "Secrecy".

    This was not just about models. In my work, at one time I had to read many technical (military-technical) magazines, such as the Swiss "Interavia", the British "Space flight (space flights) and a number of others. Even if articles about Soviet military equipment appeared there (and they did appear , albeit not in every issue), then most often these articles were simply confiscated when copied (these magazines in our open libraries were photocopied editions.) It got to insanity. sometimes I didn’t know that such an aircraft existed. In magazines, if it did appear, it was as a “Soviet bomber with variable sweep wings.” I remember the shock I experienced when I came across the Jane guide (on fleets). Performance characteristics, not just names that were sometimes known in the USSR, but also their distribution by classes and types ...
    So it turned out that we knew the "enemy" technique better than our own. The US technical classifier is better and earlier than the domestic one (I have not even met it in open official publications).
    But even all these shortcomings did not make us, according to the author's passage, people who hate everything Soviet ...
    1. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 27 November 2020 02: 41
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      Yeah. Foreign military review gave drawings in 3 projections, sometimes drawings and performance characteristics. Everything from Mirages and A37 to the latest versions of F15 and F16. In the same Youth Technique, our modern tanks were shown at an angle (for example, T72), and Chieftains, Leopards, AMX30 and M60 were shown in the figures from the side / top / front, guess what models of tanks it was easier to make out of paper and shoot drawings? T72 which is presented in one figure at an angle or M60 where 3 projections are perfectly shown. No, I understand that the T72 may still be classified. So do not give performance characteristics but just give a drawing in 3 dimensions - and we will make a model. True, another reason why paper models of Soviet tanks were difficult to make is a hemispherical tower - it is VERY difficult to make such paper from paper, and 6 coal on M60 is easy.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 28 November 2020 08: 47
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    Good afternoon. Without going into the nuances and subtleties of the content of the article - only on the topic "How toys destroy countries." The author is right in many ways. Let's remember - we have, first, military equipment - from the leftovers - household appliances and electronics .. Remember how many junk China supplied and supplies us .. Musical cards, singing plastic curves and scary toys, .. then - the simplest radio-controlled models , then - "smart home programmable devices", then - quite a serious drones, smartphones and other electronics .. To the successfully developing production of microchips, radio components and plastics, add the production of various batteries .. Here is a penny musical postcards .. It is impossible to develop production in the country on the orders of the Military alone ... The military-industrial complex does not need smart kettles, robotic vacuum cleaners, or talking dolls .. As a result, we have limited, almost piecemeal lots of microcircuits and other things .. and absolute unprofitability and helplessness .. This is how toys destroy countries ...