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Revolver Leach and Rigdon. In fact, it was an exact replica of the Navy 1851 Colt with a steel frame with a round drum and octagonal barrel. Usually revolvers were marked "LEECH & RIGDON NOVELTY WORKS CSA" and a serial number, although sometimes there was no serial number at all. And how this could be is unknown. Some revolvers have a WH stamp on the bottom of the grip. This is the stamp of Captain Hudgins, the Confederate Army's military acceptance inspector.


I would love to be in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Country I will defend my right
Live and die in Dixie.
Far, far, far, in the south, in Dixie.
Far, far, far, in the south, in Dixie.
("Land of Dixie" is the unofficial anthem of the Confederation).

Weapon and firms. And it was like that. When the Civil War between North and South began, the southerners, to their great surprise, very quickly noticed that they had enough courage, but the weapons were clearly not enough. Moreover, they have nowhere to buy it, because the southern states of the northerners immediately subjected a naval blockade.

Of course, there is no blockade that would be impossible to break, especially on a southern moonless night. And it was possible to deliver cotton to the choking factories of Liverpool and Manchester. And sell it for a good price, but after that I would have to choose. After all, the Confederation needed not only rifles and revolvers, but also medicines for the wounded, sheet copper, explosive mercury (or capsules for guns and pistols). They needed cloth for uniforms, galloons for officers, binoculars, telescopes, hats for officers' wives. In a word, there is so much in total that it was simply impossible to squeeze it all into the small tonnage of the Baltimore schooners (namely, because of their speed qualities, most often they became penetrating ships).

There was only one thing left: to open up the production of weapons. And take the weapon of the opposite side as a model, which is distinguished by the following qualities: high manufacturability and firepower.

And it is not surprising that very soon the owners of many small workshops in the South converted them to the production of military products, and above all revolvers. And today our story will go about these people and their revolvers.

Forks and knives and quality revolvers


Here is how it was. On the eve of the Civil War, Thomas Leach traded in cotton, and Charles H. Rigdon manufactured scales. They had nothing to do with firearms then. But when they joined forces, they were able to produce for the Confederation one of the best revolvers of the time, which could easily compete with the Colt-Marine revolver of 1851 (of which it was an excellent copy).

Leach also produced derringer pistols branded as Thomas Leach & Co., Memphis, Tennessee. And in 1861 he created the Memphis Novelties company, specializing in the production of military cutlery. By the way, the Confederate table knives with their brands have survived to this day.

By May 1862, the company was known as Leech & Rigdon. And she was in Columbus, Mississippi. The partners managed to conclude a contract with the government of the confederate states for the production of 1500 Colt-Marine revolvers of 1851. And the work began to boil. Already on November 26, 1862, the partners had 75 ready-made revolvers in their hands, which they immediately handed over to the army. And then, due to the threat from the northerners, the company was transferred to Greensboro, Georgia. The production of army cutlery was stopped. And all efforts were focused on the release of revolvers. By the time the partnership between Leach and Rigdon ended in December 1863, they had produced about 1000 revolvers. But why their cooperation ended so suddenly is unknown.

But Charles Rigdon was able to buy out all of the company's equipment, retain workers and reopen a plant in Augusta, Georgia. There he was joined by Jesse A. Ansley and two other partners, with whom he founded Rigdon, Ansley & K.

Since the company fulfilled the contract with the government of the Confederation for 1500 revolvers, a new order followed. But now the production of revolvers equipped with 12-slot cylinders has already begun. They are known today as the Rigdon and Ansley revolvers, of which fewer than 1865 were made by January 1000.

When the troops of the American General Sherman invaded Georgia in late January 1865 and began their famous "march to the sea", Rigdon closed his factory. Well, on April 14, 1865, the Civil War ended in Appomattox.


The "Rigdon and Ansley" revolver, externally from the "Colt", differed only in the cylindrical-conical barrel with a small taper and characteristic notches on the drum.

The most mysterious revolver of the Confederation


Among the revolvers made by the Confederates, these are shrouded in mystery. It is believed that they were produced at a plant in Augusta, Georgia. But due to the fact that they do not have a manufacturer's stamp, it is absolutely impossible to say whether this factory has made at least one revolver. The enterprise was called "Augusta Engineering Plant". But none of the American historians managed to find out what kind of military equipment this plant produced.

Anyway, there is a revolver that is considered to be the "weapon from Augusta". It is also an exact replica of the Navy 1851 Colt, with the same octagonal barrel, trigger guard, brass frame and lever for tight bullet control. It is clear that (if not for the war) Colt would have immediately sued the manufacturer of such a revolver. But during the war years in the territory of the Confederation, any manufacturer could do what he wanted.

Known samples are equipped with a drum with six fixing notches. And others with 12 notches. That's the whole difference. Most parts have assembly numbers, but the revolvers do not have a single serial number.

Usually these revolvers (in terms of quantity) are compared with the Columbus revolver, which is known to have been produced in one hundred copies. And since there are still more Augusta revolvers surviving than Columbus revolvers, some speculate that there were at least 100 of them. Incidentally, the only proof that revolvers were made at the Augusta Machine Building Plant is a letter from a certain Wilson, Secretary of the Ministry of Health. It stated that the Confederacy had a revolver factory in Augusta, located between Jackson, Adams, Antignac and Campbell Streets. Major Finney was in charge. It was also reported there that the production of shock revolvers identical to the "Colt Marine" was organized at this plant, and they were considered one of the best in the Confederation.

Interestingly, most of the Confederate left-wing revolvers were produced in Georgia and Texas. The ones made in Georgia are in .36 caliber. And the ones in Texas are mostly .44 caliber (which the Texans, as well as the Indians there, preferred). And if this revolver was produced in Georgia, one wonders, where could it have been made then, besides Augusta? Doesn't he have exactly the same caliber? So for now, Augusta remains the best option historians have to offer.


Colt 1851 from Augusta

The Tucker & Sherrard Company of Lancaster, Texas has become something of a legend. Who ran it? In what time period did it work? Was it really a functioning enterprise or some kind of ghost company set up to fool the spies of the northerners?

These questions arose the day she signed her first contract with the state of Texas in 1862. According to some, it was an ammunition factory. But it turned out that this is not true. It has been suggested that the plant produced other types of weapons besides revolvers. But this was also not confirmed. Finally, it turned out that working in a "military factory" was a good way to get exemption from military service. And that his equipment was used to produce various consumer goods for the civilian market.

However, the most important thing is to find out if she fired more than two revolvers during the war? And weren't the rest collected from the remaining parts after the end of the war? The fact is that to date, only a few revolvers have been discovered with the marking "Lancaster, Texas". But whether they were produced during the civil war or were assembled later from the remaining parts is still not known for sure.

From the letters and notes that have survived, company managers have cited all sorts of problems to explain the production shortage. They complained about the lack of raw materials and tried to squeeze as much money as possible from the Confederate government.

Laban Tucker was definitely one of the founders of this company. But he left the company. And then a certain Clarke replaced him. But why this happened is unknown. In general - a secret on a secret. And we know nothing for certain. Although revolvers were and are. You can hold onto them.

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Revolver "Clark and Sherrard"

In any case, there were the Tucker and Sherrard revolvers made during the Civil War. Whereas "Clark and Sherrard" could be sold on the civilian market in the early years after its completion. And, probably, under the control of the administration of the Union.


The irregular cavalry of the Southerners caused the Northerners a lot of trouble, making raids on their territory. This drawing by Liliana and Fred Funkenov shows one such partisan raid. Notice how the young man (center) carries his revolvers. This method was called "cross" or "reverse". It meant carrying revolvers in holsters with the handles forward: for the right hand - on the left, and for the left - on the right.

The .44 revolvers are very similar to the second model of the Colt Dragoon revolver. There are seven grooves in the barrel, the drum rotates clockwise. Serial numbers on them are in the same places as on real "Colts".

To be continued ...
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 5 December 2020 06: 26
    +7
    I wonder if the southerners won, would we know about the existence of Colt, Smith, Wesson, Winchester, Henry? Or would it all be called differently?
    1. kalibr
      5 December 2020 06: 31
      +9
      Most likely they would have known, but many things would have been wrong, of course.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 5 December 2020 06: 35
        +4
        Most likely they would have known, but many things would have been wrong, of course.
        Maybe only specialists. Of course, I know about copies, but to name the designers and manufacturers right off the bat is a great feat for me. So thanks for the article - interesting and informative.
    2. Toucan
      Toucan 5 December 2020 06: 45
      +6
      I wonder if the southerners won, would we know about the existence of Colt, Smith, Wesson, Winchester, Henry? Or would it all be called differently?

      After the defeat of Germany in the VM, Hugo Schmeisser, Heinrich Vollmer, Willy Messerschitt and Kurt Tank did not disappear from history. The names would remain, but the enterprises producing weapons would most likely change owners.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 07: 47
        +12
        The US Civil War did not involve a fight against private property. Many offices, banks and enterprises of the southern states survived it (the war) and are still alive today.
        Not so long ago, I was looking at a smelter that rolled armor for the battleship Virginia. True, in a different format, but alive to the present day.
        In fact, the victory of the north brought down the economic system, and not the foundations of the private property of the states of the former confederation. Withdrawing from circulation the "means of production" in the form of former slaves, but leaving the rest with the owners.
        So a member of today's board of directors - a descendant of one of the owners of those who forged the armor of the first battleships from rails, bragged about how his ancestor restored the plant after the Civil War.

        Good morning everyone!
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 5 December 2020 10: 03
      -4
      Quote: NDR-791
      I wonder if the southerners won, would we know about the existence of Colt, Smith, Wesson, Winchester, Henry? Or would it all be called differently?

      The USA would become something like Mexico.
      Do we know a lot of Mexican gunsmiths?
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 5 December 2020 17: 12
        +9
        Co-constructor of a very successful self-loading rifle mod. 1908 Artillery General Manuel Mondragon.


      2. vladcub
        vladcub 5 December 2020 20: 51
        +2
        I don't know about Mexican gunsmiths at all
    4. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 5 December 2020 23: 28
      +1
      Quote: NDR-791
      I wonder if the southerners won, would we know about the existence of Colt, Smith, Wesson, Winchester, Henry? Or would it all be called differently?
      The victory of the South (CSA) over the North (USA) is simply the separation of the 14 states of the Confederation from the USA.
      The Wild West (except Texas) remained part of the United States. Colt, Smith-Wesson, Winchester ... After the Civil War 1861-1865 worked for the development of the West. And in Westerns about the Wild West, we would also see in the hands of cowboys, sheriffs, cavalrymen and Indians all the same Colts, Smith-Wesstoys and Winchesters ...
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 December 2020 06: 43
    +9
    Oh, to touch these rarities with your own hands. smile
    1. CTABEP
      CTABEP 5 December 2020 10: 56
      +5
      Just about, you read, salivating already :(
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 5 December 2020 06: 50
    +8
    Waited for Saturday Shpakovsky laughing
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, for continuing to please us))
  4. Van 16
    Van 16 5 December 2020 07: 07
    +7
    Saturday came.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich.
    All right.
    (not all that hokku that is in three lines))
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 5 December 2020 08: 58
    +4
    ... It is clear that (if not for the war) Colt would have immediately sued the manufacturer of such a revolver. But during the war years in the territory of the Confederation, any manufacturer could do what he wanted.
    And after the end of the war, Colt and other "thrown" with patents for the southern "copywriters" did not file a lawsuit? and if they did, what did they achieve?
    1. kalibr
      5 December 2020 09: 51
      +7
      And there many have expired due to patents. And someone left the business - who to apply for?
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 5 December 2020 09: 54
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        And there many have expired due to patents. And someone left the business - who to apply for?

        Obviously, the game was not worth the trouble, collecting evidence of hemorrhoids, you can't get big preferences, and legal costs will exhaust your soul ...
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 5 December 2020 17: 26
        +8
        Hi, Vyacheslav. hi
        Here in this photo is a sample of the production of the Tula Arms Plant, immediately noticeable by the ring for the cord on the handle, so that "gentlemen akhfitseri do not lose drunk." laughing
        And so, a very high quality product.
        1. kalibr
          5 December 2020 19: 25
          +6
          Soon there will be an article about how Colt presented Nicholas I with his revolvers and he ordered 400 pieces of his revolvers for the fleet in Tula ... and not only about that. Already under moderation.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 5 December 2020 20: 55
          +4
          Kostya, hello. So the ring on the handle is the "trademark" of the Tula?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 5 December 2020 21: 12
            +4
            Hello Slava. Not quite so, on the later army revolvers "Colt" also caught similar things. I meant specifically capsule models, well, we liked to add our own and often unnecessary ones. Here is also a Tula handicraft by master Goltyakov, the master was excellent, but look what he did with the "proprietary" American handle, and even stuck a spur on the bracket.
            1. kalibr
              6 December 2020 11: 42
              +2
              The spur was recommended by the Grand Duke Alexey Alexandrovich! What are you ...
            2. vladcub
              vladcub 6 December 2020 11: 48
              +2
              But it looks gorgeous.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 6 December 2020 13: 16
                +1
                And it is very inconvenient compared to my own "Colt", believe me, in the photo it is in my hand.
            3. vladcub
              vladcub 6 December 2020 11: 58
              +1
              Kostya, in my opinion this is a capsule revolver and something American in the basis
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 6 December 2020 13: 18
                +1
                So this is the "Colt", I wrote that this is Goltyakov's handicraft "Colt, why, did you get it?" fellow
  6. Undecim
    Undecim 5 December 2020 11: 58
    +9
    The Tucker & Sherrard Company of Lancaster, Texas has become something of a legend. Who ran it? In what time period did it work? Was it really a functioning enterprise or some kind of ghost company set up to fool the spies of the northerners?
    Laban Tucker was definitely one of the founders of this company.
    This is a very interesting question, quite pulling into a separate article, since the Tucker family are the pioneers of the Wild West.
    The grandfather of the aforementioned Labon Tucker, Daniel Tucker, is the protagonist of the popular American song "Old Dan Tucker."
    In 1854, the Tucker family moved to Texas, first to Waxahachi, and in 1857 purchased 160 acres of land near Weatherford. The places at that time were wild, and the attacks of the Indians were regular, so the Tuckers, being talented people, began to make weapons for themselves and their neighbors. It turned out well, so Labon Tucker, his son Argyll and brother Elihu founded LE Tucker and Sons (Labon, Elihu Tucker and Sons).
    True, his son, Argyll Tucker, could not sit still, and he enrolled in the Texas Rangers and gained great fame as such. With the outbreak of the Civil War, Argyll and Elihu Tucker joined the Confederate army, but quickly returned to the arms business, as the Confederates lacked weapons.
    In 1861, the Lieutenant Governor of Texas, John Crockett, persuaded the Tuckers to move to Lancaster and organize the production of revolvers for the southern army there and guarantee them financial support from the local business community.
    This is how Tucker Sherrod & Co. was born. The founders were Labon E. Tucker, JH Sherrard, WL Killen, Pleasant Taylor, AW Tucker and John M. Crockett.
    Under the contract, the company was to produce 3000 Colt-type revolvers.
    Labon Tucker and his son Argyll very successfully copied Colt Dragoon, which was produced by a company called Tucker or Tucker and Sherrard.
    True, the production experienced serious problems due to the lack of raw materials and labor, therefore the company was officially released from the contract. The founding tuckers left after some more time as technicians, then returned to Weatherford and reopened the LE Tucker and Sons arms company.
    Then there were many more adventures, but the format of the commentary will not fit them, therefore it is short.
    After the war, the Tucker family settled in Midlothian. Argyll and his brother ran a successful photography studio known as the Tucker Brothers Art Gallery. Among other things, A.V. Tucker is listed in the 1882 Business Directory as the finest blacksmith in Midlothian, as well as the manager of a small grocery and hardware store in the city center. Argyle Tucker holds eleven US patents, from photographic equipment to calculating machines. Some of his inventions have ended up in museums at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington. Argyll Tucker is also known as an artist, musician and writer.
    Such is the versatile personality.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 5 December 2020 12: 36
      +6
      Tucker was a colorful family. Curiously, no more revolvers were produced?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 5 December 2020 13: 36
        +6
        After the war, no, he did not. He produced gunpowder, had a photo studio, mined gold and oil. He did a lot of things, but didn't make weapons anymore.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 5 December 2020 17: 21
      +7
      Such is the versatile personality.

      I wonder if this family has anything to do with the image of the charming rogue Andy Tucker? wink
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 5 December 2020 18: 27
        +5
        No, it doesn't. They did not engage in fraud.
  7. vladcub
    vladcub 5 December 2020 12: 15
    +6
    "what happens during the war years, moreover civil" - the actions of civil laws end, and comes: "The law of" Colt "- who will quickly snatch
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 15: 40
      +4
      Hello Namesake! Before Colt was born, civil wars were similar !!! Remember the wars of the Scarlet and White Roses in England or our mesevo under Vasily the Dark. Only probably more terrible are civil wars because of religious beliefs !!!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 5 December 2020 17: 22
        +6
        I do remember. Every time I meet a mention: "The Scarlet and the White Rose" I remember the book: "Black Arrow",: "Master Hank", "John vengeance for everyone"
  8. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 5 December 2020 13: 12
    +7
    I would love to be in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!
    In Dixie Country I will defend my right
    Live and die in Dixie.
    Far, far, far, in the south, in Dixie.
    Far, far, far, in the south, in Dixie.
    ("Dixie Land" is the unofficial Confederate anthem)
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 15: 36
      +6
      Gorgeous Nikolaevich !!!
      Perhaps this is the swing effect. When they read "Uncle Tom's Cabin", "Tom Sawyer" at school, studied the history of the Civil War in the USA, I stood for the north with my heart and soul.
      Now at the age I sympathize with the south! request
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 December 2020 16: 59
        +5
        Nikolai, and I have a similar situation when I read: "The Hut" I cried and seethed with anger against the southerners, and now, like you, I sympathize with the southerners. Now I am reading the cycle of Vyacheslav Olegovich and remember Mitchell's novel: "Unisex with the wind", she correctly described the "carpet-bags", but how did they win: "mother"?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 5 December 2020 17: 19
          +5
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Unisex with the wind "

          A visual aid for studying our civil war.

          laughing
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 5 December 2020 21: 16
            +3
            Sergei, I know this film very well and I even saw the ancient "Red Devils". Perhaps you saw "The Wagtail Army"? I watched it as a preschool child.
            I watched a lot of films about GW, but I was especially hooked: "Optimistic tragedy"
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 5 December 2020 21: 39
              +2
              Quote: Astra wild2
              Optimistic Tragedy "


              I mean that every writer, director, poet, artist has his own view of the event, and therefore of history. Therefore ... well, draw your own conclusions. hi
              1. kalibr
                6 December 2020 11: 41
                +3
                Spooky movie!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 6 December 2020 14: 17
                  +5
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Spooky movie!

                  So, Vyacheslav Olegovich, the time was scary, no? Only descendants see romanticism in the revolution, but God forbid to live at this time.
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 6 December 2020 15: 24
                    +3
                    Sergei, you +: well said. And the film was really hard
                  2. kalibr
                    6 December 2020 16: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Only descendants see romanticism in the revolution, but God forbid to live at this time.

                    Without any doubt! And what kind of romance? They would show how they "cut stripes", "cut shoulder straps" ... those who like to play the revolution would diminish!
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 5 December 2020 17: 17
        +4
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Now at the age I sympathize with the south!

        Greetings Vlad!
        And why? I will ask you to specify.
        If possible. hi
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 18: 00
          +7
          Quote: Phil77
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Now at the age I sympathize with the south!

          Greetings Vlad!
          And why? I will ask you to specify.
          If possible. hi

          Good evening Sergey!
          And the devil knows?
          Perhaps understanding with age that the fight against slavery was not the first priority of the northern states. Resources, money, everything else is a screen!
          Moreover, from both sides. But ordinary southerners fought for their self-identification, sometimes starving, barefoot, with smooth-bore guns and in rags!
          Three-quarters of them did not have their slaves, but taking up arms for almost 4 years, the Yankees resisted with their variety of rapid-firing, multiply-charged, rifled barrels, which even Vyacheslav Olegovich was apparently tired of disassembling; breech-loading, rifled, polygonal guns, monitors and the rest of the salt of the clawed geese, etc.
          Respect brings courage and endurance. Well, and also the talent of "grandmother Lee" and "big shoes" who are unreasonably pinched at home today.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 5 December 2020 18: 06
            +5
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            And the devil knows?

            Oh well! Great reasoned answer. Thank you!
            1. Alf
              Alf 5 December 2020 18: 38
              +7
              Quote: Phil77
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              And the devil knows?

              Oh well! Great reasoned answer. Thank you!

              Such a fact.
              In one of the last battles, a division of the Southerners, without a single gram of gunpowder, walked barefoot under Yankee fire for almost a mile and hit them with bayonets. This is what kind of faith in one's righteousness one must have in order to fight like this! soldier
              Moreover, black slaves fought on the side of the Confederation, the southerners were not afraid to give them weapons. And the Yankees recruited soldiers into the army by force, some unrest due to the draft in New York is worth something.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 18: 49
                +3
                I'm talking about this dear Alf!
                Moreover, in the ranks of the army of the southerners, fugitive slaves fought, who could be executed only for this fact!
                1. Alf
                  Alf 5 December 2020 19: 25
                  +4
                  Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  I'm talking about this dear Alf!
                  Moreover, in the ranks of the army of the southerners, fugitive slaves fought, who could be executed only for this fact!

                  Dear Colleague! In my comments, I indicated the title of the book about GW in the USA, read it, you will not regret it, you will learn a lot, the book is on the net.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 5 December 2020 19: 58
                +5
                Population of the South before the War of 1861-65 was 12 million people, of which 9 million are white, 3 million are colored. To be called a planter, you had to have at least 20 slaves. Thus, it turns out that by 1860 there were only 46 planters in the South, of which less than 274 owned 8000 slaves, 50 had 2892 slaves, 100 owned 11 slaves, and three (!) Owned a thousand slaves. It turns out that the number of planters in the South was less than 500% of the population. For what were those southerners who had one or two slaves fighting? Even if you count all the southerners, both men and women, who had at least one slave, and in this case their number did not exceed 0,5. Meanwhile, in all the Armies of the South, about 350 were under arms. What were they fighting for? There is only one answer - they fought because they believed that their right to their own independent life was violated. They fought because they felt they were a nation in danger.

                What did the guys in blue (northerners) fight for? What did an Irish immigrant from New York, a Pennsylvania German, a Massachusetts Anglo-Saxon fight for? For freeing blacks from slavery? This is hard to believe. An ordinary Yankee could not help but understand what consequences the flow of liberated Africans to the North would cause (and it was inevitable). First of all, this threatened him with the possible loss of his job due to the influx of cheap labor. And he went into battle because he was told that the South is bad, the South is evil, the South wants to seize the North and therefore the country must be protected. The soldier, by his very nature, is not inclined to think about global issues. He has a hard, thankless job that needs to be done, and let the commander think about more. This is roughly the psychology of any soldier!
            2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 18: 51
              +4
              Sergei without mockery, this is the case when the mind and heart do not find a common language! Some did the right thing, but other sons of bitches are good fellows damn it !!!
      3. vladcub
        vladcub 5 December 2020 18: 16
        +6
        It seems that we are not alone in our "vacillations": there and Astra admits to revaluation. It seems that Rat Butler "pulled" her to the side of the confederation, but for me the impetus was the film: "The Birth of a Nation", once there was a program on CT, it seems, "Kinopanorama" (?) And various old films were shown there. After that film, I began to look at them differently
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 5 December 2020 18: 37
          +3
          Quote: vladcub
          After that film, I began to look at them differently

          * Gettysburg *? 1993 film.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 5 December 2020 20: 04
            +4
            Film: "The Birth of a Nation" was filmed in 1915. In the Soviet Union, for ideological reasons, it was not often shown. And what is "Gettesburg" about? I do not know him
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 5 December 2020 21: 44
              +1
              Quote: vladcub
              I do not know him

              Well, if briefly, then about this battle. Between the southerners and the northerners. A battle film. Something to attack our * Liberation. Fire arc. *
              1. kalibr
                6 December 2020 11: 40
                +2
                Sergei, if you like films about cavalry and Indians watch the film "Sound of a Distant Trumpet" (1964), very well filmed!
        2. Alf
          Alf 5 December 2020 18: 43
          +6
          Quote: vladcub
          After that film, I began to look at them differently

          For me, the turning point was the book "The Unknown War The Secret History of the United States."
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 5 December 2020 19: 57
            +2
            I don't know such a book
            1. Alf
              Alf 5 December 2020 20: 01
              +2
              Quote: vladcub
              I don't know such a book

              https://bookscafe.net/download/bushkov_aleksandr-neizvestnaya_voyna_taynaya_istoriya_ssha-4075.fb2.zip
            2. Van 16
              Van 16 5 December 2020 21: 07
              +2
              Bushkov. Like all his "historical" books, it is very controversial, but interesting.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 5 December 2020 21: 49
                +1
                Greetings Ivan! Do you also read Bushkov?
                1. Van 16
                  Van 16 6 December 2020 06: 24
                  +1
                  Good day, Sergey! Yes, among others, and Bushkov. Previously, of course, his books were better, in recent years they are somehow .. taxable .. hi
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 6 December 2020 07: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: Van 16
                    .. taxing ..

                    Good morning, dear Ivan!
                    I very much agree with you. His first books were of better quality lately, it’s not right. Did you write off? Then you need * sabbatical *.
                    1. vladcub
                      vladcub 6 December 2020 11: 23
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                      I agree: Bushkov WAS a brilliant author, and then he began to repeat himself
                    2. Alf
                      Alf 6 December 2020 19: 15
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                      Quote: Phil77
                      His first books were of better quality

                      Book of 2008.
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 6 December 2020 07: 35
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            Quote: Alf
            The Unknown War The Secret History of the United States ".

            Good morning, dear Alf!
            Thanks for the * tip *! Already downloaded, all that remains is to find the time and read. wink
            But I will try, because ... to my shame I know terribly little about the civil war in the United States.
            Thanks again!
            1. Alf
              Alf 6 December 2020 19: 05
              +1
              Quote: Phil77
              Quote: Alf
              The Unknown War The Secret History of the United States ".

              Good morning, dear Alf!
              Thanks for the * tip *! Already downloaded, all that remains is to find the time and read. wink
              But I will try, because ... to my shame I know terribly little about the civil war in the United States.
              Thanks again!

              It's my pleasure ! I read it with pleasure. It is easy to read and enjoyable, no need to "wade through the words of the fog." It is in this book that the TRUE causes of the American Civil War are named.
        3. kalibr
          5 December 2020 19: 20
          +5
          And then, using the cliotmetry method, they calculated that plantation slavery would have been effective until 1952 !!! No wonder in the same Brazil it was canceled only in 1888!
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 5 December 2020 22: 00
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            Quote: kalibr
            And then, using the cliotmetry method, it was calculated that plantation slavery would have been effective until 1952 !!!

            There are only a few collateral social problems. For example, in the Volga region, after the Pugachev uprising, the vacancies of the landowners were suddenly filled for twenty years. The "good" serfs killed everyone, including their wives and children.
            1. kalibr
              6 December 2020 11: 38
              +1
              In our region, the peasants hid (!) The landowner and his family from the Pugachevites. His family in sundresses was distributed among the huts, and he sat in the nettles in the ravine. I made a vow - if I am saved, I will build 5 churches. And he built it!
      4. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 December 2020 19: 55
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        I don't remember if I sympathized with the Yankees when I was young ... but I remember that for a very long time (if not always ...) I sympathized with the Confederates! This was influenced by the books that I read in my youth ... Moreover, "Gone with the Wind" is not the only book about those events ... there were others, the names of which I do not remember! (I was friends with the son of my neighbors, and they were "regional committee workers" ... They had an excellent library ... there were books that could not be bought in Soviet stores and, even, found in the regional library ...) hi
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 5 December 2020 16: 02
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Far, far, far, in the south, in Dixie.
      ("Dixie Land" is the unofficial Confederate anthem)

      Liked! A funny song. wink
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 18: 56
        +7
        Well, let's sing!
        The unofficial anthem of the independent South, and in honor of the first unofficial battle flag of the southerners:
        We are a group of brothers and natives of the earth
        And fought for property that we acquired through honest labor
        And when our rights were in jeopardy, a scream rose almost
        To raise Bonnie the blue flag that carries one star!
        Hooray! Hooray!
        For southern rights, hurray!
        Hurray for Bonnie's blue flag that carries one star.
        Hooray! Hooray!
        For southern rights, hurray!
        Hurray for Bonnie's blue flag that carries one star.
        As long as the Union was true to its trust
        As friends and as brothers, we were kind and we were just
        But now that Northern Betrayal tries our rights to mar
        We fly high above Bonnie's blue flag, which carries one star.
        Hooray! Hooray!
        For southern rights, hurray!
        Hurray for Bonnie's blue flag that carries one star.
        Hooray! Hooray!
        For southern rights, hurray!

        The flag itself!
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 5 December 2020 20: 40
          +4
          Namesake, you and Phil are somehow not "correct": you are going to sing "Dixie", and this is obvious racism. Here the negroes will "ascribe Izhitsu" to you!
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 5 December 2020 20: 48
            +4
            Quote: vladcub
            Here the negroes will "ascribe Izhitsu" to you!

            Let them walk by.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 5 December 2020 21: 02
              +4
              Negroes won't intimidate Russians. It seems that last year they were beaten and told that this is not Cologne for you
          2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 21: 00
            +5
            The closest Negro from me is hypothetically a hundred kilometers away! Considering minus 15 outside the window and night, they will not reach dead !!! However, Dixie only cares about African Americans. The rest, the descendants of the losers who fell into slavery do not care!
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 5 December 2020 21: 59
              +4
              The rest, the descendants of the losers who fell into slavery do not care!

              Vlad, you know, these "descendants of losers" live better than "descendants of successful ones" who did not fall into slavery - who live in free Africa ... laughing drinks they also demand rights! Black asses matter! am laughing
            2. hohol95
              hohol95 5 December 2020 23: 37
              +5
              Do you have students from hot countries in local universities?
              Although our town is not large, there is a decent number of them in the teaching department. Seen enough when I was there for work. And sometimes they ride around the city in public transport.
              But no one takes them for a curiosity and does not poke their fingers. People are like people! One friend has a daughter married to an African. They live in our city.
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 6 December 2020 03: 53
                +4
                Do you have students from hot countries in local universities?
                I'm on the weekend in Nizhniye Sergi! There are no local universities, or rather there is a branch of the correspondence department of SINKHA, but only local students study there. Up to Yekaterinburg 100 km, three passes and five rivers! An hour by car, two days on horseback, four on foot! In general, Yekaterinburg is in Asia, and I am in Europe. God will not give away the pig will not eat.
                Students from hot countries have a lot to do without it! Mongols, Tajiks and Uzbeks had a chance to conduct classes !!!
                There are blacks too, even African-American friends. I tried to communicate with them and just Africans on this topic. They are not interested in it, yes it was, but they fought for so long. We are ready to discuss the same “Maksimka” with gusto and non-trivial conclusions.
                At one time, in the smoking room, the theme of blacks and Americans was developed by a familiar peacemaker who drove around the world, Mom, Don't Cry. So. He says only blacks from Liberia, whose parents made a mistake in their opinion, having returned to their "historical homeland", have views close to African Americans. He unfolded that locals aged 20 to 30 were making efforts to find relatives who remained in the United States and go on a "visit." Naturally forever!
                The rest of humanity's grievances against the white master are "on the drum." Under a glass of tea, they can share intimate how many "white gentlemen" his grandfather ate in order to be smart as a "white gentleman". Grandfather did not shine with his mind, he had to go to university to study to be a doctor! Otherwise, everything is the same as ours: girls, cars, everyday problems.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 5 December 2020 20: 47
          +4
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Well, let's sing!

          Convinced! I'm going to * Dixie *. But not to the store! laughing
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 6 December 2020 08: 59
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka

          The flag itself!

          Good morning!
          And again * white star *.
          laughing
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 5 December 2020 21: 54
        +4
        Liked! A funny song.

        She is well shown in Gone With the Wind when the train with the wounded arrives in Atlanta. When a boy in uniform (in the orchestra) plays it on the trumpet and cries ... sad Because Rhett Butler was the right one! drinks It is not worth thinking about patriotism and independence if you have no military industry or powder factories in the torn South ... negative But only leavened hats ... wassat
  9. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 5 December 2020 15: 37
    +2
    Good day to all. Vyacheslav Olegovich, what was the size of the armies of the Southerners and Severyans?
    Also, what is Dixie?
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 5 December 2020 16: 01
      +6
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Dixie?

      Reply.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 December 2020 16: 16
        +4
        Thank. I'll know
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 19: 09
          +5
          The southerners, the respected Vera, had several official and unofficial flags.
          The generally accepted first was the horizontal tricolor with stripes of red-white-red and a blue rectangle in the upper right corner. In which there were gold stars in a circle from the number of states in the confederation.



          Then there was the familiar Dixie in the upper right corner of the white rectangular cloth.

          The last was Dixie on a rectangular banner or "bloody banner"
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          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 5 December 2020 20: 11
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            I am familiar with the latest version, it is the most common, and the first two are little familiar
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 20: 20
              +6
              To be honest about Dixie on a white background, I personally found out today from Wiki. recourse
              About the first one, I often met in sources that it was confused with the flag of the USA, therefore they preferred to fight under a white star on a blue background (Bonnie blue flag).
    2. kalibr
      5 December 2020 17: 55
      +2
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Also, what is Dixie?

      To the Network, to the Network. There EVERYTHING is there!
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 5 December 2020 18: 11
        +5
        Quote: kalibr

        To the Network, to the Network. There EVERYTHING is there!

        The network is not interesting !!!! laughing
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 December 2020 20: 28
        +6
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I listened to your advice and looked in Vika ("obedient girl"): 2 Yankees versus 192000 southerners! It’s even surprising that the southerners were inferior in manpower, in weapons, and for so long held
        1. Alf
          Alf 5 December 2020 22: 15
          +3
          Quote: Astra wild2
          It’s even surprising that the southerners were inferior in manpower, in weapons, and for so long held

          Fighting spirit and self-righteousness mean a lot. Another fact is in the Confederate volunteers, in the United States, the call.
      3. Korsar4
        Korsar4 5 December 2020 20: 36
        +3
        The main thing is not to confuse it with trading.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 December 2020 18: 22
      +5
      Quote: Astra wild2
      what is Dixie?

      South of the USA.
    4. Alf
      Alf 5 December 2020 18: 45
      +5
      Quote: Astra wild2
      and what was the size of the armies of the South and the North

      I can't say about the armies, but at the beginning of the Civil War, 9 million people lived in the South, including slaves, and about 22 million in the North. Southerners fought for three years ...
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 5 December 2020 19: 28
      +6
      Quote: Astra wild2
      What is Dixie?

      There are three versions of the origin of the name of the song, the most popular is the following: the old 10 dollar banknotes, which were in use in Louisiana, were called "dixie" (from the French "dix" printed on them). Louisiana itself was called the land of Dixie in slang. Later, this word began to denote all the southern states of the United States: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

      Although the song is usually associated with the Southern States, Dixie was President Abraham Lincoln's favorite song. It was performed at his inauguration [1].
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 5 December 2020 20: 14
        +3
        More than original: to love the "enemy anthem"
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 5 December 2020 21: 03
          +4
          Well, at the time of Lincoln's inauguration - the USSA was still a single country !!!
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 5 December 2020 21: 24
            +4
            That's right, you're right: Lincoln became president even before the war.
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 6 December 2020 11: 53
    0
    As always, an excellent article, but not enough)))) will have to wait hi
  11. vladcub
    vladcub 6 December 2020 13: 35
    +1
    [quote = Sea Cat] So this is the "Colt", I wrote that this is Goltyakov's hand-made article "Colt, what are you, did not get it? fellow[/ quote
    You wrote: "What did he do with the" trademark "American grip, but that Colt you did not say.
    I am worse than you, I understand weapons, it is one thing to read and another thing to "matsat" it.
    I now have before my eyes: variations in the Colt style, but the Colt himself has a little forgotten. + The bracket on the handle thoroughly bypasses the look