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The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine denies China's application for a controlling stake in Motor Sich

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The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine denies China's application for a controlling stake in Motor Sich

For the third time, the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine (AMCU) returned without consideration the application of the DCH (Development Construction Holding) group and the Chinese investor Motor Sich PJSC Skyrizon for obtaining approval for the concentration of the controlling stake.


As noted, the AMCU for formal reasons refuses Chinese investors to concentrate a controlling stake in Motor Sich. Chinese investors intend to submit another bid for concentration in the near future. In addition, they sent a claim to the Economic Court of Kiev with the requirement to recognize the AMCU's decision as illegal.

As previously reported, the companies Skyrizon and Xinwei Technology from China and the Ukrainian industrial group DCH intend to sue Ukraine for $ 3,5 billion. The plaintiffs will be represented by three international law firms that have established themselves as some of the most reputable in the world. These are WilmerHale, DLA Piper and Bird & Bird.

Last year, Motor Sich announced its intention to sell half of the company's shares to the Chinese, but the Ukrainian authorities demanded to stop the deal and freeze the company's accounts. The United States also expressed dissatisfaction with the deal. Apparently, everything happened with the American filing. As a result, Chinese companies are unable to exercise their property rights due to the actions of Ukrainian government agencies. They regard these steps by Kiev as an attempt to "expropriate their investments."

At the same time, Kiev does not exclude that the Motor Sich shares may go to Turkey and not China. It is not yet known how Kiev intends to transfer the enterprise to Turkey, since the shares of Motor Sich de facto already belong to a group of investors from China, they are simply seized. Also unknown is the US reaction to the future transfer of the enterprise to the Turks.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 21 November 2020 17: 18
    +9
    Wandering along vectors will not lead to anything good!
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 November 2020 17: 36
      0
      They do not have time to carry out the commands of the owner, hence such jumps, and so:
      since Motor Sich shares are already de facto owned by a group of investors from China, they are simply seized
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 November 2020 17: 47
        +8
        In general, let's see ...
        The case has just begun, what will happen in real life ... at even interesno.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 November 2020 17: 51
          -1
          China knows how to wait and will return everything of its own ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 November 2020 17: 53
            +5
            Long wait, boring ...
            Events are wrapped around one another .... everyone will be carried away by something new.
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 November 2020 17: 57
              +6
              This is boring for us, but it is their life credo ...
          2. Machito
            Machito 21 November 2020 17: 54
            +6
            Ukraine has decided to throw China for $ 3,5 billion and take Motor Sich to Turkey. And Turkey will not be thrown on the grandmother? repeat lol am
            They won't make a head ax?
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 November 2020 17: 58
              11
              China actually already owns all the shares, but they wanted to bring everything together ...
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 21 November 2020 18: 26
                +6
                As previously reported, the companies Skyrizon and Xinwei Technology from China and the Ukrainian industrial group DCH intend to sue Ukraine for $ 3,5 billion.
                Without a doubt, China is driving Ukraine into a legal trap that could result in the seizure of Ukrainian assets abroad.
                They hope for the USA, which ... maybe someday ... will compensate for a tenth, in the form of a loan.
                Gotcha.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 21 November 2020 18: 30
                  +5
                  There are still debts for grain deliveries, so they will squeeze ...
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 22 November 2020 09: 05
                    +2
                    There are still debts for grain deliveries, so they will squeeze ... and not only for grain, after the government of 404 threw yukors on the ZAZ-Dev project to the Xiaoping people 404 proposed a project for a large sea terminal on the site of the abolished naval base of the KChF Donuzlav near the village Novoozerny. Crimea .... iiiii ... well, of course threw ..... the Xiaopers didn't make any conclusions ... well, here's the scam ..... but in general, if before 2014 I threw 404 with shyness, then after 14 throws insolently ... so good luck to the Chinese comrades. nevertheless, it will not be possible to achieve something
                2. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 21 November 2020 19: 23
                  -5
                  Quote: Terenin
                  Without a doubt, China is driving Ukraine into a legal trap that could result in the seizure of Ukrainian assets abroad.

                  This is a corporate dispute, what have Ukrainian assets to do with it? PJSC "Motor Sich" is a private "poorhouse" ...
                  Today Motor Sich is one of the largest enterprises in the world for the production of aircraft engines for aircraft and helicopters, as well as industrial gas turbine units. In addition to production, the company is also engaged in testing and maintenance and repair support of aircraft engines. The manufactured products are used on airplanes and helicopters for various purposes in more than 120 countries around the world.
                  The enterprise is located in Zaporozhye.
                  Motor Sich JSC includes 5 structural units, which are also located on the territory of Ukraine:

                  Zaporozhye Engine Building Plant
                  Zaporozhye Machine-Building Plant named after V. I. Omelchenko
                  Snezhnyanskiy machine-building plant
                  Volochysk Machine-Building Plant
                  Motor Sich Airlines
                  Along with the production of aviation and ground equipment the company manufactures a wide range of consumer goods that are necessary for everyone: in everyday life, for small and medium-sized businesses, agriculture and household plots, as well as for outdoor activities. Highly professional personnel, unique production base, advanced technologies have made it possible to achieve and maintain high quality and reliability of products at a decent level.

                  http://tnp.motorsich.com/1-O_sayte.html
                  It is unlikely that the Chinese comrades are interested in all five structural units of Motor Sich, why do they need shares ... they could get by with the purchase of patents of this "poorhouse" ...
                  1. Hwostatij
                    Hwostatij 21 November 2020 20: 04
                    +2
                    This is a corporate dispute, what have Ukrainian assets to do with it? PJSC "Motor Sich" is a private "poorhouse" ...

                    Just the same state. structure - the AMCU does not allow the Chinese to dispose of their property - therefore the demand from the state
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 21 November 2020 20: 07
                      -2
                      Quote: Hwostatij
                      Just the same state. structure - the AMCU does not allow the Chinese to dispose of their property - therefore the demand from the state

                      The AMCU, as you said, can only recognize the Agreement on the purchase of shares in accordance with the legislation of Ukraine or not ... if not, then the Seller of the shares will simply return the d / s to the Chinese comrades and that's it ...
                      1. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 21 November 2020 21: 06
                        +2
                        The AMCU, as you said, can only recognize the Agreement on the purchase of shares in accordance with the legislation of Ukraine or not ... if not, then the Seller of the shares will simply return the d / s to the Chinese comrades and that's it ...

                        You are not right. As far as I remember this story, the Chinese with the owner of Motor Sich (Boguslaev, in my opinion) agreed to sell the enterprise and bought out a controlling stake. After that, the Americans put pressure on Ukraine and the SBU (or the AMCU - I don’t remember exactly) seized Chinese assets.
                        In general, the Ukrainians got into a mess - on the one hand, the Chinese with their lawsuit, on the other, the owners with a whip, but the innate cleverness does not calm down - they also decided to involve the Turks in the case wassat
                      2. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 21 November 2020 21: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Hwostatij
                        You are not right. As far as I remember this story, the Chinese with the owner of Motor Sich (Boguslaev, in my opinion) agreed to sell the enterprise and bought out a controlling stake.

                        If you write that I am wrong, you are appealing to the current antimonopoly law of Ukraine ...
                        Otherwise, your statements that:
                        Ukrainians got into a mess - on the one hand, the Chinese with their claim
                        empty words...
                        There is no AMCU decision, it has not been appealed, as a result of the still unimplemented AMCU decision, no losses have been inflicted on the Chinese comrades ...
                        In order to approve something, you need to know Ukrainian legislation ...
                      3. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 21 November 2020 21: 38
                        +4
                        There is no AMCU decision, it has not been appealed, as a result of the still unimplemented AMCU decision, no losses have been inflicted on the Chinese comrades ...

                        The facts are as follows: the Chinese paid for an asset, which they are not allowed to use under a far-fetched pretext. They filed a lawsuit for 3+ lard bucks against Ukraine. All your arguments about the Ukrainian antimonopoly legislation are pure demagoguery.
                      4. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 21 November 2020 21: 46
                        -5
                        Quote: Hwostatij
                        The facts are as follows: the Chinese paid for an asset, which they are not allowed to use under a far-fetched pretext. They filed a lawsuit for 3+ lard bucks against Ukraine.

                        Firstly, they have not yet submitted (apparently they are not members of the forum). And what did they add to the claim? A link to your comment?
                        All your arguments about the Ukrainian antimonopoly legislation are pure demagoguery.

                        You may have read the text of the Agreement between the Chinese comrades and Motor Sich, no ...
                        I can write the same about your comments on the topic of the article, I am used to trusting judicial acts (acts of an administrative body) that have come into legal force, while this is not there, as there is not even the judicial dispute itself ...
                      5. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 21 November 2020 21: 59
                        +1
                        I, of course, did not delve into the jungle of Ukrainian legislation, but in general terms I imagine that the Chinese claims will be considered in the context of the investment protection agreement between Ukraine and China - this is the main document in the future dispute. And the fact that there is no litigation yet - this does not mean anything - there is a conflict between Chinese companies and a Ukrainian. state organs and what form it will take is not so important. In any development of events, the prospects for Ukraine in this matter are far from bright.
                      6. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 21 November 2020 22: 09
                        -4
                        Quote: Hwostatij
                        In any development of events, the prospects for Ukraine in this matter are far from bright.

                        I would not talk about it so categorically ... in any case, this is not a topic for a military forum ...
                      7. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 21 November 2020 22: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Hwostatij
                        In any development of events, the prospects for Ukraine in this matter are far from bright.

                        I would not speak so categorically about it ...

                        Do you see good options for the development of events for Ukraine in this matter? Can you share your predictions?
                      8. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 21 November 2020 22: 22
                        -3
                        Quote: Hwostatij
                        Do you see good options for the development of events for Ukraine in this matter? Can you share your predictions?

                        I cannot give them yet, I will not see the text of the Agreement, the claim and the act of the AMCU ...
                      9. Hwostatij
                        Hwostatij 21 November 2020 22: 28
                        +3
                        I thought so
                    2. bar
                      bar 22 November 2020 09: 09
                      -2
                      Do you see good options for the development of events for Ukraine in this matter? Can you share your predictions?

                      Alternatively, the Ukrainians will simply score on this claim. They scored the same 3 yards against Russia's claim, despite the fact that the "high court of London" satisfied it. crying
            2. Avior
              Avior 22 November 2020 00: 12
              -1
              The Chinese were in a hurry to pay, not having received a positive decision from the Antimonopoly Committee before.
              And until they receive, there will be no registration of shares, which means that they cannot hold a meeting of shareholders and change the management of the enterprise
              Self-confidence let them down.
            3. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 22 November 2020 00: 27
              +1
              The Chinese were in a hurry to pay, not having received a positive decision from the Antimonopoly Committee before.

              As far as I know, there are no restrictions in local legislation for the purchase and sale / consolidation of shares in private Ukrainian companies, with the exception of the company's being on the list of strategic enterprises. Motor Sich was removed from this list even under Poroshenko.
              If you have any other information on this subject, I will be grateful for the link.
            4. Avior
              Avior 22 November 2020 00: 57
              +2
              Shkirizon applied to the Antimonopoly Committee for the concentration of shares in more than 50 percent of Boguslaev's three companies, which currently own shares.
              Obviously, he knows what he is doing, it was not out of boredom that they did it, as you understand.
              Perhaps, the matter is in Motor Sich's monopoly position on the market, which is clearly within the competence of the Antimonopoly Committee.
              The refusal of the Antimonopoly Committee was still on formal grounds, as far as I understand, they submitted a new application, as can be seen from the text of the article
            5. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 22 November 2020 01: 17
              0
              Shkirizon applied to the Antimonopoly Committee for the concentration of shares in more than 50 percent of Boguslaev's three companies, which currently own shares.
              Obviously, he knows what he is doing, it was not out of boredom that they did it, as you understand.

              Of course, not out of boredom. The AMCU, at the behest of the owners, initiated an investigation and outrageously squeezed the shares bought by the Chinese. They tried (and not for the first time) to solve the case in a civilized way - they filed another request to lift the arrest. To no avail. Now, apparently, it is up to the courts.
              All other statements in your post look pretty dubious. Again, if you provide a link to confirm them, I will be grateful.
            6. Avior
              Avior 22 November 2020 01: 29
              0
              Link to what? The lack of permission from the antimonopoly committee? What is doubtful for you?
              And the arrest of the shares occurred by a court decision, and the antimonopoly committee has nothing to do with this, if you are not aware.
            7. Hwostatij
              Hwostatij 22 November 2020 01: 42
              0
              the arrest of the shares occurred by a court order, and the antimonopoly committee has nothing to do with this, if you are not aware.

              Even as it has. It was the AMCU that initiated the investigation, as a result of which the Chinese actions were arrested. Although I may be wrong here - there was also a criminal case opened by the SBU, but this does not change the essence.
              Link to what? The lack of permission from the antimonopoly committee? What is doubtful for you?

              For example, this:
              Perhaps, the matter is in Motor Sich's monopoly position on the market, which is clearly within the competence of the Antimonopoly Committee.
              , or that:
              The refusal of the Antimonopoly Committee was still on formal grounds, as far as I understand, they submitted a new application, as can be seen from the text of the article
              .
              The bottom line is that all the articles in the press that I read on this case (including those on biased Ukrainian resources) agreed in the absence of sufficient legal grounds for actions taken by the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies in relation to Chinese companies. This is a purely political matter. You are trying to prove that everything is completely legal. So I ask for a link to a reasoned opinion (from any source) that agrees with yours.
            8. Avior
              Avior 22 November 2020 01: 55
              +1
              The arrest of the shares was initiated by the SBU and then by the prosecutor's office.
              the Chinese rushed to pay money to Boguslaev, first they had to deal with the antimonopoly committee at least and get permission.
              But Boguslaev is an aged man, and the Chinese were in a hurry.
              As for the press, there is Yaroslavsky in the case, you can read anything.
        2. Avior
          Avior 22 November 2020 01: 41
          +2
          ... The AMCU, in particular, is examining three agreements: the acquisition by the Chinese company Skyrizon Aircraft Holdings Limited of shares of Granum Corporation (Republic of Panama), shares of Likatron Enterprises Limited (Cyprus) and shares of Reckoner Investment Holdings Limited (Cyprus), which ensures an excess of 50% of the votes in their highest governing bodies.

          These companies are associated with the president of Motor Sich OJSC, Vyacheslav Boguslaev.

          I wrote you not quite right.
          A new application was submitted due to the fact that Yaroslavsky claims another 25 percent of the shares, this was the formal reason for withdrawing the old application and submitting a new one.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 21 November 2020 20: 14
    -1
    Quote: Terenin
    Without a doubt, China is driving Ukraine into a legal trap that could result in the seizure of Ukrainian assets abroad.

    Rather, it is Ukraine that is taking all steps to ensure that in the future it would deprive itself of the possibility of resorting to the procedure for ensuring the protection of the right to any of its assets located outside of Ukraine. There, along the way, they begin to live under the slogan - "Walk a flaw" and cheerfully spoil relations with all the remaining partners, obviously realizing that Ukraine has no decades ahead, and in the remaining years it is necessary to finish off the little that still functions.
  • major147
    major147 21 November 2020 20: 43
    -2
    Quote: Bearded
    They won't make a head ax?

    When there is no "head" in life, then no "ax" is terrible!
  • Alex777
    Alex777 21 November 2020 17: 59
    +6
    It is also interesting how Zelensky will push the Chinese against the Turks.
    With his dexterity and experience, everything will end up with both of them beating him together.
    Biden will forbid him to sell Motor Sich to the Sultan. bully
    1. Machito
      Machito 21 November 2020 18: 41
      -1
      Quote: Alex777
      It is also interesting how Zelensky will push the Chinese against the Turks.
      With his dexterity and experience, everything will end up with both of them beating him together.
      Biden will forbid him to sell Motor Sich to the Sultan. bully

      And Zelensky will sell Motor Sich to Turkey for $ 3,5 billion, and then tell the Sultan Osmanov that Biden does not allow selling, and will throw at Erdogan's grandmother, as he threw Xi Jin Ping. laughing good
      Scam fellow
      And fuckers China and Turkey will be very happy with the thimble clown Zelensky am
  • Proxima
    Proxima 21 November 2020 18: 50
    0
    What a beautiful article title! good Not the antimonopoly committee of Ukraine, but Americans banned stop to give their mongrels a controlling stake in MotorCic to China! Things need to be called by their proper names!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 21 November 2020 19: 28
      -2
      Quote: Proxima
      What a beautiful article title! good Not the antimonopoly committee of Ukraine, but Americans banned stop to give their mongrels a controlling stake in MotorCic to China! Things need to be called by their proper names!

      What are you talking about, talking about "orphans" ...
      Since 2017, negotiations are underway to acquire a controlling stake in Motor Sich by the Chinese company Beijing Skyrizon Aviation Industry Investment Co; in return, it promised to invest $ 250 million in production development. The decision will be made in 2020. The competitor is the American Oriole Capital Group (in 2017, this company has already promised to invest $ 150 million in the Kharkov State Aviation Plant, KhGAZ).

      https://ria.ru/20200225/1565075845.html
    2. Kisa
      Kisa 21 November 2020 19: 47
      -3
      Quote: Proxima
      Americans banned

      from all this political agitation, there will be an interesting moment as the Chinese will show the Americans through 3 faces. and such an example to myself as the Russians will settle with these gas pipes.
  • avg
    avg 21 November 2020 22: 06
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    The case has just begun, what will happen in real life ... at even interesno.

    And in real life, while the essence and the matter are, everything will be stolen and sold in parts. The winner will get an incomprehensible name and understandable debts of the enterprise. what
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 00
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Motor Sich shares de facto already belong to a group of investors from China, they are simply seized

    Not enough stocks? Is that a problem? To issue one more issue, 5 times more than those already issued. And even sell it to the Turks. And then the antimonopoly committee will block it all and start over ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 November 2020 18: 38
    0
    Yeah, only now everything is in the hands of the Yankees, and they will completely eliminate the motors before they give them over to the Chinese or the Turks!
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 21 November 2020 18: 57
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Yeah, only now everything is in the hands of the Yankees, and they will completely eliminate the motors before they give them over to the Chinese or the Turks!

      And what about the Yankees of the Ukrainian aircraft industry? He is not a competitor to them at all and to eliminate him is pointless to waste time and money. And the Chinese, even if they receive all the technology right now, down to the last molecule, will spend years mastering it and / or transferring it to themselves. The USA, RR and classmates will already go a couple of steps ahead. While they are ahead of the Ukrainians by one or two, and then they do not care.
  • Finches
    Finches 21 November 2020 19: 27
    -1
    Interestingly, the Ukrainians do something without prior agreement with the United States? I even imagined a picture - Zelensky, before entering the bedchamber, calls the duty service of the State Department and asks the Anglo-Saxon on duty if he can make love with his wife today ... when he hears a formidable call from a clerk on the other side of the ocean "No!" laughing
  • antivirus
    antivirus 21 November 2020 19: 55
    -3
    Cyprus must be sold - there Deripaska and other democrats will preserve for the world community the property of an outlying inquisitive mind.
  • deniso
    deniso 21 November 2020 17: 19
    +4
    So, contact the Ukrainians, and everything is gone.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 21 November 2020 19: 15
      +1
      Here the Swedes took this territory for themselves and there is no empire, the Poles took it and collapsed, Hitler ruled shot himself The Union fed, collapsed, some damned land laughing
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 03
        -1
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Hitler ruled shot himself

        Look how it is ... Now I will know why Hitler shot himself ...
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 22 November 2020 18: 57
          -3
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          Look how it is ... Now I will know why Hitler shot himself.

          judging by the description, Ukraine won all of them from the Swedish Empire and the RP to the USSR. Hitler was just another defeated laughing
          In general, there are many territories in the world, which were part of many states, changing their registration and then becoming independent.
          Didn't Hitler shoot himself from RB for an hour? After all, the situation is the same ... all who were-destroyed.
  • nnm
    nnm 21 November 2020 17: 19
    +5
    It will be very interesting to see how the trial will end. Especially considering the fact that this year China has become Ukraine's main trading partner.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 21 November 2020 17: 23
      11
      How Biden will view this partnership. yes
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 November 2020 18: 30
        +4
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        How Biden will view this partnership. yes

        How can he watch when
        Quote: nnm
        China has become Ukraine's main trading partner
        ... Negatively.

        Greetings, Vitaliy hi hasn't appeared for a long time.
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 21 November 2020 21: 41
        +1
        How Biden will view this partnership.


        He speaks with difficulty ...
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 04
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      it will be interesting to see how the trial will end

      The trial will end with good attorney fees and the expectation of a new trial.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 21 November 2020 21: 49
        -1
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Quote: nnm
        it will be interesting to see how the trial will end

        The trial will end with good attorney fees and the expectation of a new trial.

        It hasn't even started yet ....
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 56
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          Quote: nnm
          it will be interesting to see how the trial will end

          The trial will end with good attorney fees and the expectation of a new trial.

          It hasn't even started yet ....

          And all the same, someday it will end.
  • deniso
    deniso 21 November 2020 17: 21
    0
    Why are they not saying anything about our three billion? We must repeat this at every corner, but Lavrov is silent ...
    1. nnm
      nnm 21 November 2020 17: 22
      +3
      In the sense of ? Recently, the court postponed the hearing due to the coronavirus.
      1. major147
        major147 21 November 2020 20: 47
        0
        Quote: nnm
        In the sense of ? Recently, the court postponed the hearing due to the coronavirus.

        Around mid-summer .....
    2. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 07
      0
      Quote: denis obuckov
      Why are they not saying anything about our three billion? We must repeat this at every corner, but Lavrov is silent ...

      Lavrov is old, Lavrov knows that no matter how much you repeat halva, halva, your mouth will not become sweeter.
      This is not a diplomatic problem, but a legal one.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 21 November 2020 17: 21
    +3
    And what to take from Tsegabonia? Well, the Chinese will sue their billions - and what? These hicks will not pay one devil, referring to Russian aggression and that type of pennies NEM .. It was necessary to see who they are contacting. To deal with ukrami is not to respect yourself.

    However - I think that the Chinese have taken away everything they were interested in long ago. Well, they didn’t really intend to revive some serious production in Tsegabonia? You have to be a complete idiot to fit into this ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 November 2020 17: 21
    +1
    However, an uncomfortable position ... Wang Dam's twine, but he's not in that twine ... China will not forgive such tricks.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 22 November 2020 10: 21
      0
      China will not forgive such freaks ........ has already forgiven a couple of times ...... strangely different, stepping on a rake 404 once again, the Xiaoping people will not understand. that according to the rules of trade, first chairs and then money, otherwise there will be no chairs or money especially if matters are resolved with 404 ..... the West has real leverage ... the so-called economic kukan. this is when the supervisory board is of decisive importance in which do you think who is .... pralna, Western foreigners .... when Xiaoping adopts Western experience, then things will go livelier ... what does it have to do with incredible corruption for Xiaoping its trillions like a finger on the asphalt
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  • EnGenius
    EnGenius 21 November 2020 17: 24
    +3
    Expected Result. It's funny to hear from Ukrainian politicians that they want to re-launch relations with China on the export of grain and cx products. As if the Chinese are stupid ... Then China went to the bank, since they really need Motro Sich technologies, but who will give them. The faster the United States will bury this plant, or there will be a fire suddenly, or the documentation will disappear on key components.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 21 November 2020 17: 56
      0
      Quote: engenius
      nor want to restart relations with China on the export of grain and cx products. As if the Chinese are stupid.

      The Chinese ... they are trying to gain a foothold wherever possible by all possible methods (closest neighbors - they give Minsk a stadium and a swimming pool ... and not only Minsk - https://realty.tut.by/news/building/685236.html ). 3 billion in comparison with geopolitical goals ... the States will squeeze out, but they will continue ...
      By the way - the decision of the antimonopoly committee is the hand of Moscow - on August 15, the American The Washington Times published an article stating that the US administration should force Ukraine to stop supplying aircraft engines to China, which are produced at the Motor Sich plant. Motor Sich also suggested that the publication in The Washington Times is aimed at "lobbying the interests of Russian manufacturers" who seek to supply aircraft engines to China instead of Ukrainian products http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2018/0818 /c31519-9491994.html
    2. t-12
      t-12 21 November 2020 18: 00
      +1
      As if the Chinese are stupid ...

      Aren't they stupid? They put 3 lard to the wind. It is clear that Ukraine is under the United States, that China will not receive any technologies. Engineers could be hired privately and much cheaper.
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 21 November 2020 21: 14
      0
      Quote: engenius
      or the documentation disappears for key nodes.

      The Chinese have copied everything for this case long ago for the green suitcase.
      Why do they need this plant at all, it is not even clear - the Chinese have more modern equipment, design and technological documentation should have been stealthed long ago. It is not a problem at all to invite leading specialists, designers and technologists to work. And if there are not enough materials scientists, then you need to look for them not on Motor Sich.
  • deniso
    deniso 21 November 2020 17: 24
    0
    There is such a thing in chess called "zugzwang". This is when any move made by the player only rapidly worsens the position. In short, wherever you kiss, everywhere the ass. And here you have promoted the Ukrainians and the Chinese so much that they all feel bad. It's good that ours had time to hurry up and launch their own production of motors, and better than the "sich" ones ...
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 21 November 2020 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: denis obuckov
      ours had time to hurry up and launch their own production of motors, and better than the "sich" ones ...

      Only VK-2500, and even then the resource is less than that of TV-3 / -7. The TV-7-117SM is not yet in the series, for the D-36 / -436 / -136 there is no replacement at all - the PD-9 is not even being tested yet, and there is no question of its obscuration (for the Be-200) yet. Well, with the D-18 ...
  • svp67
    svp67 21 November 2020 17: 31
    +3
    Considering how China helped Baidan's victory and how grateful he was, if it is confirmed, Ukraine might not earn a new "crap" for itself ...
  • agoran
    agoran 21 November 2020 17: 33
    +1
    It was in the news that China has hired two European law firms on the matter.
    The Chinese will shake out the Dangs, even if they have to spend more than the amount of debt.
    For a precedent, and more important for Asians, "loss of face".
  • Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 21 November 2020 17: 34
    +1
    Ukraine has lost UAH 14 billion .... Smart power of the CMU You cannot name it. !
  • cniza
    cniza 21 November 2020 17: 34
    +7
    The Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine denies China's application for a controlling stake in Motor Sich


    This is not a committee of Ukraine, it is the United States that refused ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 November 2020 17: 50
      +3
      The owner said CHEEK! in what position did the mongrels stand?
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 November 2020 17: 56
        +6
        They stand in a confused position, with empty pockets and a huge backpack of debt ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 November 2020 18: 02
          +3
          Debts are generally for everyone, but not for everyone! Each of them is quite well off, and they still hope to have it again and again.
          Everything is like everywhere else, now.
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 November 2020 18: 11
            +6
            Debts to the people, but lords with dumplings ... yes
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 58
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              Debts to the people, but lords with dumplings ...

              American dumplings with meat, and Ukrainian dumplings on the water.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          They stand in a confused position, with empty pockets and a huge backpack of debt.

          And the thought "Our debts are forgiven to us all."
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 November 2020 18: 33
            +2
            Well, yes, they love to tell fortunes with a thought ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 56
              0
              Quote: cniza
              Well, yes, they love to tell fortunes with a thought.

              Since ancient times, their thoughts have been wondering, "I wonder at the sky that I wonder ...." Nobody gives money to mine.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      This is not a committee of Ukraine, it is the United States that refused ...

      This is the head of the committee and the ruler of the state of Ukraine
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 21 November 2020 19: 51
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine

        This is the head of the committee and the ruler of the state of Ukraine

        Much honor. They and Alaska only relatively recently became a state, and Puerto Rico is still only a "territory". So, Ukraine is up to the state ...
      2. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 21 November 2020 21: 42
        0

        This is the head of the committee and the ruler of the state of Ukraine


        If they were really called such a state, they would have torn a car of accordions in dances ...
  • Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 17: 42
    -1
    Another "legacy" of the USSR will be torn apart ...
    And China will have its own "China" with even cheaper labor.
  • Ensign19
    Ensign19 21 November 2020 17: 56
    -1
    If the Security Service of Ukraine and the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine promptly hurry up and prove that the withdrawal of Motor Sichi from the “red list” and the sale of shares to the Chinese, Boguslaev, was a fraud and a threat to national security, everyone will break off.
    And no "investment protection" law will help.
    Lobbying a deal for the Chinese - Yaroslavsky and Jack Ma
    1. nnm
      nnm 21 November 2020 17: 59
      +4
      No. It doesn't work that way. In this case, the Chinese followed the principle of good faith. Not the enterprise itself excluded itself from the lists. And not the Chinese. Therefore, "the contract must be executed." The contract is not fulfilled - the money with interest and penalties must be returned.
      There will be a court in some London. If it is in favor of Ukraine (ie, the United States), the investments of the Western countries themselves will be under the threat of this precedent. Therefore, the Chinese have good chances.
      1. Ensign19
        Ensign19 21 November 2020 18: 25
        -3
        Not this time. The Chinese, through Boguslaev, "brought" to someone from the previous government for "deciding." So not everything is clear
        1. nnm
          nnm 21 November 2020 18: 26
          +3
          There are no criminal cases proving this statement, especially since there are no court verdicts that would be recognized by international arbitration. And words will not be counted in any way.
          1. Ensign19
            Ensign19 21 November 2020 18: 42
            -2
            There are several criminal cases against Boguslaev in the Prosecutor General's Office since 17, according to Kaplin, and money laundering, and tax evasion, and violations in the privatization process.
            You just need to "shake off the dust" and bring it to court
            1. nnm
              nnm 21 November 2020 18: 45
              +2
              This does not apply to an investment transaction in any way. The legality of the transaction itself was not refuted by the court. And it is very doubtful that any London court will take into account the decisions of the Ukrainian Themis. This is the interest, China will lose, all investment deals will be dangerous. And the United States, in theory, should not be allowed to win.
              1. Ensign19
                Ensign19 21 November 2020 18: 56
                -2
                If the court finds the privatization illegal, what kind of transaction can we talk about
                Kaplin, being a deputy, studied privatization documents under a microscope (there was some kind of personal hack)
                1. nnm
                  nnm 21 November 2020 19: 06
                  +2
                  Colleague, do not forget what "country" we are talking about - there the main fighter against top corruption has two decisions of the courts, in the PM and the Constitutional Court, on the illegality of his appointment and one more on entering it into the register of persons who have committed corruption crimes.
                  I think that the same London deeply does not care about the "papers" of Ukrainian investigators and courts, but what is much more serious is the US desire to leave the Chinese without technology.
    2. agoran
      agoran 21 November 2020 18: 01
      +3
      As if the Sumerians did not fuss, but the fact of selling and receiving money is there.
      So that the Chinese will wring out their own, it's a fact.
      Through the seizure of overseas real estate or through the courts, and the Chinese can pay lawyers more than 404.
      1. nnm
        nnm 21 November 2020 18: 06
        +6
        Unless the Ukrainians ask China for a loan for lawyers))))
        1. agoran
          agoran 21 November 2020 18: 09
          -2
          Is this from the topic of how Jewish tank crews sold cartridges to Arabs?
          Well, the Chinese are smarter than the Arabs.
          1. nnm
            nnm 21 November 2020 18: 10
            +4
            Judging by the fact that they managed to contact non-brothers - apparently, sometimes they also have lapses in consciousness.
            1. agoran
              agoran 21 November 2020 18: 15
              +2
              Kmk, the Chinese got everything they wanted, and the shares were included in the package of the deal.
              This is IMHO.
              But, from the experience of working with them, very painstaking, meticulous and meticulous guys,
              1. nnm
                nnm 21 November 2020 18: 16
                +1
                What's the point of stocks if you can't really use them ...
                But the fact that the Chinese are still pedants in business is for sure. Even at low levels. Somehow I watched how they work at a construction site - just some kind of robots.
                1. agoran
                  agoran 21 November 2020 18: 26
                  +1
                  So I say that it was a set of the deal. We received the documentation, we can start production at our factories, and the shares can be written off as not earned profit.
                  You would still observe customers for stainless steel shut-off valves for very important components and assemblies.
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 21 November 2020 18: 27
                    0
                    As I understand it, they really could not get the documentation.
                    One way or another, the process promises to be interesting.
                    1. agoran
                      agoran 21 November 2020 18: 32
                      +1
                      I have no information, everything is complicated there, you need to ask the locals.
                      Kind of like separating production and design bureaus.
                      But on some resources there was infa that employees with Motorsich work in China.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 22 November 2020 00: 03
                        0
                        Representative office of Motor Sich in China a long time ago, 15 years or more.
                  2. Avior
                    Avior 22 November 2020 01: 48
                    +1
                    They did not receive any documentation, and they do not receive Ivchenko-Progress patents and rights under the transaction.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 21 November 2020 17: 56
    +4
    All that remains is to give a standing pat to the Americans and their ability to eliminate competitors in the market
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 21 November 2020 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: nnm
    It will be very interesting to see how the trial will end. Especially considering the fact that this year China has become Ukraine's main trading partner.


    The fact that China trades well with Ukraine is an aggravating circumstance for China.
    The SBU will find some kind of fraud during the execution of the previous transaction, they will invite the Chinese to testify, they will be arrested, the shares will be taken away, they will be fined, they will take a receipt that they have no complaints and they themselves are to blame and repent, they will release them in 6-18 months.

    Although of course it will be like Uncle Joe says ...
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 21 November 2020 18: 21
    +2
    "... intend to sue Ukraine for $ 3,5 billion." It's like catching up with Savransky, it's a utopia! lol
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 22
    +1
    At the same time, Kiev does not exclude that the Motor Sich shares may go to Turkey and not China.
    Now the Turks and Ukrainians are brothers. Just as according to George Orwell, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others," just as among brothers, there are more equal brothers, and I think these are not Ukrainians.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 21 November 2020 18: 30
      0
      So let the Turks and the Chinese devour each other. If, of course, do not agree, gobble up the crested.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 November 2020 18: 51
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        If, of course, do not agree, gobble up the crested.

        Why not.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 21 November 2020 18: 27
    -2
    This nonsense can be swallowed here, in the Kremlin. But not in Beijing. The Chinese, for a penny, giggly, will smear on the wall. They have no brothers,
  • Andrea
    Andrea 21 November 2020 18: 31
    -1
    Either the Chinese come across stupid, or they saw a bunch of nishtyaks, but they are burnt in Nenka regularly. With "Motor Sich" everything is more or less clear, the Chinese desperately need technology, but what they think in the stale is not clear. It looks like they are digging a new sea at Nenka's place.
    1. Pavel57
      Pavel57 21 November 2020 22: 33
      0
      The Chinese and the Crimea were promised.
  • Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 21 November 2020 18: 57
    0
    Quote: Andrea
    Either the Chinese come across stupid, or they saw a bunch of nishtyaks, but they are burnt in Nenka regularly. With "Motor Sich" everything is more or less clear, the Chinese desperately need technology, but what they think in the stale is not clear. It looks like they are digging a new sea at Nenka's place.

    The aircraft carrier for the casino was bought successfully.
    Although if the goals were immediately announced,
    it would most likely have happened the same way.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 21 November 2020 19: 01
    -1
    It is not yet known how Kiev intends to transfer the enterprise to Turkey, since the shares of Motor Sich de facto already belong to a group of investors from China, they are simply seized.

    Well, it means "ancient Ukrainians" will also warm up the Turks ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 November 2020 19: 08
    0
    Will Kiev be able to return money to China, or does it count on 3 billion Russians? China is a very serious opponent in the financial market
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 November 2020 00: 01
      -1
      Kiev did not take anything from them, so it should not return anything.
      They paid money to the private owner, Boguslaev, who does not refuse to sell the shares.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 November 2020 10: 15
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Kiev did not take anything from them, so it should not return anything.
        They paid money to the private owner, Boguslaev, who does not refuse to sell the shares.

        This is of fundamental importance, or do you believe that the director bought out the enterprise with his salary
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 November 2020 10: 42
          0
          I bought it.
          It has.
          He is the actual owner, and the ownership structure there is complex.
          Privatization took place in the early 90s, 40 percent of the shares were transferred to employees, they were later bought out by intermediary firms at a symbolic price, money was more important for workers than papers that did not bring anything back then.
          Formally, Boguslaev owns 15 percent of the shares, the rest through intermediary firms. In fact, it is even more difficult there, but in general, yes, Boguslaev is the actual owner of Motor Sich.
  • Bullba
    Bullba 21 November 2020 19: 09
    0
    Oops, Lexus is pissing to answer such news.
  • skif8013
    skif8013 21 November 2020 19: 37
    -1
    Oh, in vain, the Chinese contacted them, oh, and they will take a big spoon from them)))
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 November 2020 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: skif8013
      Oh, in vain, the Chinese contacted them, oh, and they will take a big spoon from them)))

      Oh, in vain ukropiply contacted the Chinese, they are not people who forgive.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 21 November 2020 20: 27
    -1
    The Chinese need to be ready to sue for every bunch and sneeze, even spend a comparable amount on this case, but smear and undress to the skin.
    To show what it costs to obey the American dictatorship. Show everyone.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 21 November 2020 20: 49
    0
    With their policy of obedience and licking the American owner, they will simply ruin the enterprise and also get paid for money.
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 November 2020 00: 14
      0
      This does not concern the enterprise at all.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 21 November 2020 20: 59
    0
    [quote = Terenin] [quote] Without a doubt, the arrest, China is driving Ukraine into a legal trap, the result of which become the arrest of Ukrainian assets abroad[b] [/ b].
    [/ Quote]
    What are Ukraine's ASSETS ABROAD. Panties and T-shirts
    gasterbayters in Poland on ropes are personal belongings.
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 21 November 2020 21: 07
    0
    And the naive Kitayushka thought that the American colony would not do business with him like in Russia; Although, in order for the Chinese comrades to fully understand what the square is, not one such case is needed, because as a rule, the person does not get it the first time.
  • ficus2003
    ficus2003 21 November 2020 21: 09
    0
    Quote: Kushka
    What are Ukraine's ASSETS ABROAD. Panties and T-shirts
    gasterbayters in Poland on ropes are personal belongings.

    Well, even Honduras has assets, another thing is that all these courts are usually NATO, so they will issue verdicts to annoy China, as well as with Ukraine's $ 3.5 billion debt to Russia, which the "high court of London" is constantly postponing.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 21 November 2020 22: 43
    -1
    They dumped the "Chinese investors" and did the right thing. China in this regard is a third world country. That rare case when the interests of the Russian Federation and the United States converged.
    1. paco.soto
      paco.soto 22 November 2020 00: 08
      -1
      They dumped the "Chinese investors" and did the right thing. China in this regard is a third world country. That rare case when the interests of the Russian Federation and the United States converged. © ™
      Indeed one comment filled with relevant logic!
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 21 November 2020 23: 11
    +1
    They wanted to get investments, but it turned out as always according to Chernomyrdin
  • Klingon
    Klingon 21 November 2020 23: 28
    0
    it was not worth the Chinese sticks and the wheels to stick, it will backfire .. it will be turned back, also with interest. or get pinched elsewhere
  • Avior
    Avior 21 November 2020 23: 58
    0
    ... It is not yet known how Kiev intends to transfer the enterprise to Turkey

    It is written incorrectly, most of the shares in Motor Sich belong to private owners, so Kiev, by definition, cannot transfer any shares that provide control over the enterprise to anyone.
    It is not clear how the Chinese gathered to sue.
    Before buying shares, they had to get permission from the Antimonopoly Committee, but they ignored it, decided to get it retroactively.
    And now they found themselves in a situation where they paid money, but they cannot officially register the shares for themselves, as a result, the actual owner of the enterprise today is Boguslaev.
    The plant has been working as it is, and is even expanding due to the helicopter part, the owner of which is Boguslaev in any case.
    It's interesting to see how it ends.
  • paco.soto
    paco.soto 22 November 2020 00: 04
    0
    I read the comments and thought, like a foreigner already: what will they call this little more than 20 Putin years in history?

    I even wanted to post a post, but it's not clear why:
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 November 2020 01: 44
      +2
      You probably tried to edit the post after a certain amount of time.
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 23 November 2020 19: 47
        +1
        Thank you for your clarification. Didn't know this detail. And so it was: from the phone I read VO in the evening traffic jams and I wanted to fix something for sure. Thank you.
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 November 2020 21: 29
          +1
          Not at all.
          It's just text, it has no consequences
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 23 November 2020 21: 50
            0
            Thank you.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 22 November 2020 04: 14
    0
    - "They regard these steps of Kiev as an attempt to" expropriate their investments "- a freebie! A national trait of dill !!! We'll wait and see ..
  • Egor53
    Egor53 22 November 2020 04: 23
    +1
    These ukroprudur.ki also decided to quarrel with China.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 22 November 2020 06: 35
    0
    The Chinese will have to wipe themselves off with the Ukrainian "To all whom I owe, I forgive." Uncle Sam will not allow aircraft engine technology to be transferred to the Chinese. Although ... I will not be surprised if Biden Sr. gives the go-ahead for the sale, and Biden Jr., by coincidence, will get a dusty, but lucrative job in a Chinese company, not necessarily even in the same one that wants to buy Motor Sich.
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 22 November 2020 08: 02
    +1
    In the end, everything will fall on the neck of the herd, that's why the Waltzmans / Zelensky rule good
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 22 November 2020 08: 18
    0
    Will the Chinese be suing the Ukrainians in court?

    This is the best joke of the century! laughing Science believes that nothing can be obtained from a black hole. With all the desire. But if you stuff enough into it, it will explode - and go supernova. lol wassat
  • Martian
    Martian 22 November 2020 10: 01
    -1
    Insanity grew stronger .... It is not clear why China needs Motor Sich? They have built state-of-the-art factories long ago and can begin to take over the market. Is it possible to remove a competitor to the post-Soviet niche where China has notably strengthened itself? Or just return your loot with the fat? Motor Sich is already dead ... Its engines are old, only to replace the old Soviet helicopters and airplanes. But their fleet is rapidly disappearing, and then Russia offers its engines. Motor Sich is simply not able to maintain itself on the international market, and Ukraine does not have those needs and money.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 22 November 2020 12: 17
    -1
    It's a pity for the Ukrainians and others like them, such an aviation industry was ruined, however, we helped them, not having implemented so many good projects ...
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 22 November 2020 19: 10
    -2
    we still have to look at how everything looks in the agreement on the promotion and protection of investments, signed between the Ukrainian and Chinese governments in 1992.
    For here the interests of the private owner, the state, China and the United States are intertwined.
    The beneficiary is still Boguslaev.
  • vik669
    vik669 23 November 2020 15: 19
    0
    Whoever has the stupidity to contact this grunting herd will never be bored!