"Killed more enemy soldiers than any other unit ..."

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A rare photograph from the period of the American Civil War, which shows an officer and gunner of Berdan's sniper unit. Usually they didn't like being photographed. And they had reasons for this!

The military did not immediately appreciate the role of sniping - marksmanship of individual shooters at important targets. Moreover, the Civil War in the United States played a special role in the spread of this type of shooting.

We walk to Richmond with a dark blue wall
We carry stripes and stars in front of us
John Brown’s body lies in the damp earth,
But his soul calls us into battle!
Glory, glory hallelujah!
Glory, glory hallelujah!
Glory, glory hallelujah!
But the soul calls us into battle!
(Battle Anthem of the Republic, USA, 1861)

Weapon Civil war After the release of the material about the Colt revolver rifles, there were many requests to talk about the snipers who were armed with these (and other) sniper rifles during the American Civil War. We fulfill their request ...




Truly, an amazing shot from the Soviet film "The Headless Horseman" in 1973 with Oleg Vidov in the title role. On it we see a Colt revolving carbine - it means that even such a rare weapon somehow got to us in Russia and ended up in the hands of the "filmmakers"

Sharp arrows required!


And it so happened that already in May 1861 in the New York Post a message appeared that Colonel Hiram Berdan was inviting the country's best riflemen to join his sniper regiment.

Snipers, the newspaper wrote, are people who act in small groups at a distance of up to 700 yards (640 m) from the enemy, fire one shot per minute and accurately hit the target, causing the enemy a lot of trouble. The main target of snipers is the enemy's officers, the destruction of which brings confusion to his ranks.


Page from 1862 Harpers Weekly magazine showing a sniper in position

The selection for the unit was extremely tough. And the main criterion was, of course, the ability to shoot accurately. It is clear that there were not so many such shooters, so they were recruited throughout the country, and not in any one state. To get into the regiment, the candidate fired 10 shots and from a distance of 200 yards he had to put all the bullets in a circle with a diameter of 5 inches, and he had to shoot from a rifle with a conventional sight! Failed, missed - you don't belong in snipers. But those enrolled in the unit received weapons specially made for them, a good salary and ... an unusual-looking dark green uniform, which markedly distinguished them from all other soldiers of the Union army dressed in dark blue uniforms.

"Killed more enemy soldiers than any other unit ..."
Colonel Hiram Berdan

By June 1861, the formation of Berdan's sniper regiment was completed, and he was ready to go to the front. Interestingly, at first, his shooters were armed with Colt revolver rifles. And this despite the fact that there was a very bad reputation about them, they say, they are prone to "chain fire". But it was Berdan who proved to his shooters that if you load them correctly, and most importantly do not forget to cover up the space around the bullet with "cannon fat", then nothing bad happens to them. But none of the small arms at that time had such a high rate of fire, and it was very important for snipers. The rifles were equipped with telescopic sights of almost the same length as their barrels, but this was the optical technique at that time.


Drawing by Don Troyani. Union soldier with a Colt revolver rifle of the Berdan riflemen unit

I must say that better than others, realizing the importance of well-aimed shooters on the battlefield, Hiram Berdan tried by any means to avoid his personal participation in battles. It got to the point that he twice got to the tribunal because of his behavior and in the end was forced to resign. However, he nevertheless played his role in this war, and even a very noticeable one.


Colt sniper rifle with sniper scope

Further more!


The fact is that the successes of his regiment, and then of the brigade, naturally led to the formation of ten more such regiments, dressed in green uniforms. Usually snipers were in reserve at the command, which made it possible, depending on the situation on the battlefield, to send them there - their especially well-aimed fire was required. Therefore, most often they were used at the very edge of the enemy's breakthrough in order to repel it or to inflict maximum losses on him before a counterattack by federal troops. They also carried out reconnaissance behind enemy lines.


Illustration by Liliana and Fred Funken. Shooters of the 1st and 2nd regiments of Berdan snipers: 1 - shooter with a primer muzzle-loading rifle with an optical sight; 2 - lieutenant, who often had the same weapons as privates, plus a revolver; 3 - a soldier armed with a Spencer carbine: such carbines were not a statutory weapon, but snipers bought them as a self-defense weapon; 4 - Colt rifle of 1855 - the main weapon of Berdan's shooters. The second example will be the Sharps rifle. The soldiers' buttons were made of matte rubber so as not to shine. Overcoats with cape - gray; 5 - a soldier with full gear shoots from Sharps (of course, no one went into battle with such a layout!); 6 - a soldier reloading Sharps

And in May 1862, their enterprising, albeit cowardly commander, was the first in the army of the northerners to equip his soldiers with Sharps rifles, which were loaded from the breech with paper cartridges and had both a good rate of fire and, most importantly, extremely high accuracy for that time. Rifles for snipers were equipped with two types of sights: the same telescopic sights as on the Colt revolver rifle, but also simpler, adjustable folding diopter sights, nevertheless, allowing them to shoot quite accurately at a considerable distance.


A muzzle-loading sniper rifle manufactured by the Springfield Arsenal. Caliber .54, barrel length 36 inches

Moreover, what is most interesting is that it was the Americans who, even before the Civil War, were the pioneers in the use of optical sights. They were installed, for example, on the famous "rifles from Kentucky" model 1812, from a distance of 165 m hitting a quadrangle with a side of 28 mm with five shots! Well, later they were often put on hunting, but so far not yet military weapons.


The same rifle. Pay attention to two triggers: one for a hard trigger, and the rear one is extra soft with a trigger

I must say that individual shooters continued to use muzzle-loading match (sport) rifles, often made to order and characterized by increased accuracy.


The muzzle with a front sight when shooting through a sniper scope could be removed

Bad examples are contagious!


Following the example of the northerners, snipers were introduced in the Confederate army, and they also used high-precision match rifles purchased for competitions before the war. However, there were few such rifles, and most of the southern shooters were armed with British Enfield rifles with an adjustable diopter sight (telescopic sights in the army of the South were an exceptional rarity). However, since among the southern snipers there were many hunters who were excellent shooters, they even fired so accurately from ordinary rifles and with the most primitive sights that they hit officers of the northerners right up to generals literally at extreme distances.


Types of sniper scopes on Sharps rifles

Nevertheless, the Confederate snipers had their own unique weapon - the Whitworth and Kerr sniper rifles. The Kerr rifle, however, did not differ much from the Enfield. But on the other hand, Whitworth's rifle, like his cannon, was the perfect weapon of murder. Its barrel had a polygonal cut, patented by him back in 1854, and with it, his rifle, firstly, had a higher rate of fire, since the bullet was easily sent with a ramrod to the powder filling (it did not need to be hammered there!), And secondly, the compression of the cylindrical bullet when fired was enough to fill all the corners of its hexagonal barrel and ensure good obturation.


English rifle Whitworth

Between 1857 and 1865, 13400 Whitworth rifles were manufactured, of which 5400 ended up in the British Army and Navy, and 200 were bought by the Confederation despite the fact that such a rifle cost $ 96! However, the southerners and this was for happiness, "after all, the breakers of the blockade" (remember the unforgettable Reth Butler from "Gone with the Wind") had to transport these weapons under the very noses of the northerners, risking their freedom, their ships, and even their lives. So the southerners also had "super rifles", and they used them with maximum efficiency, equipping only the best shooters with them!


Bullets to the Whitworth rifle

Efficiency that no one expected


A number of examples known to us testify to how effective the snipers of the North and South acted effectively in the Civil War. So, during the Battle of P Ridge in Arkansas on March 7, 1862, the famous Wild West gunfighter (gunfighter - "gun shooter", master of his craft) Mad Bill Hickok killed 36 Confederate officers in four hours from an ambush. General McCulloch, horrified by such losses, ordered to find and destroy this sniper at any cost. And it all ended with the fact that Hickok was able to shoot this general himself, but, of course, the southerners failed to catch him!

During the Battle of Gettysburg on July 1, 1863, a sniper of the federal forces with a well-aimed shot finished off the general of the southerners, John Reynolds, after which the Confederates retreated from their positions and even left the city!


Whitworth Rifle Shooter

Accordingly, on September 19, 1863, near Chickamauga, a Confederate sniper from a Whitworth rifle mortally wounded the General of the Federal Forces William Little, which ... stopped the offensive of the units entrusted to his command!


Drawing by Ketty Rocco. Berdan's arrows at the Battle of Gettysburg

On May 9, 1864, near Spotsylvania, Union Army General John Sedgwick decided to shame his soldiers, who were hiding from Confederate bullets, rode forward and shouted: “What is it? Men are hiding from one bullet! .. I am ashamed of you. Even an elephant cannot be hit from such a distance! " And that was all he said, because a southerner sniper's bullet hit him in the head. A well-aimed shot, as it turned out, was fired by Sergeant Grace of the 4th Confederate Infantry Regiment (although the name is also called Ben Powell) from a distance of about 800 yards (731 m)! Moreover, Sedgwick did not stand still, but sat astride a horse, which, of course, was not completely motionless, which means that he was not motionless either. As a result, the death of General Sedgwick slowed down the pace of the advance of the northerners, reserves approached the southerners, and General Robert Lee won this battle!


Another photograph of those years in which we see an arrow with a Colt rifle in 1855

Such a high efficiency in battle, however, was costly for the snipers themselves. Both the soldiers of the northerners and southerners fiercely hated them and did not consider them as soldiers with all the ensuing consequences for the captured snipers. That is why, even after the end of the war, snipers preferred not to talk about their exploits and not say where and in what capacity they fought.


Americans are very fond of dressing up in the uniforms of different regiments and portraying brave soldiers of the past. But how Berdan's arrows looked like, this photo shows very clearly

By the way, already in the 1880s, American military historians confidently stated that, for example, Berdan's snipers during the Civil War incapacitated more Confederate soldiers than any other unit of the Northern army.
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  1. +5
    23 November 2020 04: 27
    Sharpshooters have always been held in high esteem, and even more so snipers!
    1. +10
      23 November 2020 04: 47
      So now snipers are showing miracles of accuracy, in the LDNR, a sniper shot down a CCTV camera ukrov with one bullet ... which led them to amazement. smile
      Thanks to Vyacheslav for the article. hi
    2. +12
      23 November 2020 07: 20
      But in the States after the war, it was very risky to say that you were a sniper. That is, the same Berdan's snipers were, yes, but it turns out that no one served in them! Rare people are known by their names!
      1. 0
        29 November 2020 20: 30
        Hiram Berdan was a Jew by nationality. The rabbis dissuaded him from personally participating in the battles, so as not to cause mass anti-Semitism in the United States.
        1. 0
          29 November 2020 20: 46
          Quote: zenion
          would not cause massive anti-Semitism in the United States.

          I did not know this circumstance. But where to read it? You read about this somewhere, too?
  2. +5
    23 November 2020 05: 52
    Was the soldier in the photo also equipped with a revolver rifle?
    1. +8
      23 November 2020 07: 16
      Carbines 1853 - he is in the photo "Headless Horseman", obviously not. But the 1855 rifles could also have it, if they did not have an optical sight.
      1. 0
        23 November 2020 20: 55
        Thanks. Great article!
  3. +11
    23 November 2020 07: 14
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    Everything is special for snipers.
    Up to the structure of the psyche.

    I wonder if Robin Hood can be considered the first sniper?
    Or are there no snipers without firearms?
    1. +4
      23 November 2020 07: 52
      Quote from Korsar4
      I wonder if Robin Hood can be considered the first sniper?
      Or are there no snipers without firearms?

      It's funny
      1. +9
        23 November 2020 09: 45
        Moreover, what is most interesting is that it was the Americans who, even before the Civil War, were the pioneers in the use of optical sights. They were installed, for example, on the famous "rifles from Kentucky" model 1812

        I remember the film "Sleepy Hollow", one of the heroes of which (and the action at the turn of the 18-19 centuries) flaunts with a certain gadget a la optics on a gun. But, I think, this device is hardly historical. hi

        I wonder if Robin Hood can be considered the first sniper?
        Or are there no snipers without firearms?

        Then David can be considered the first sniper. One stone - on the spot a giant. fellow
        Also, the rank of sniper can be assigned to the knight Pierre Basil - who wounded Richard the Lionheart with a crossbow ... and then gangrene and all that stuff. request
        1. +5
          23 November 2020 11: 39
          I watched "Sleepy Hollow" on the plane. While you are flying to the Far East, there is time.

          David, for sure, was before.

          In Nemirovsky's children's book "Hannibal's Elephants" there was an episode about the upbringing of a slinger. God Hunger.
          1. +4
            23 November 2020 12: 00
            God Hunger.

            Hunger is his name ... (N.A.Nekrasov).
            1. +4
              23 November 2020 12: 07
              Since Nekrasov was caught earlier, there was exactly such an association.

              On the other hand, Hannibal was born before Nekrasov.
              1. +5
                23 November 2020 12: 09
                I watched "Sleepy Hollow" on the plane. While you are flying to the Far East, there is time.

                By the way, I watched "The Headless Horseman" in 2013 on the plane on the way to the Dominican Republic.
                On the other hand, Hannibal was born before Nekrasov.

                This is yes. And Hannibal is also known for the concept of "cannes" and the nickname for Pushkin's great-grandfather. laughing
                Sergey, did he transfer at least one elephant across the Alps, or have they all died? drinks
                1. +5
                  23 November 2020 15: 10
                  As far as I remember from the book, one - Sur, passed.
                  And how it really was - who knows?

                  But Titus Livy was very interesting to read.
  4. +7
    23 November 2020 07: 41
    "Which is in felt, let's argue:
    I - at a hundred meters, and you - at close range ”(c).
  5. +8
    23 November 2020 07: 47
    There have always been many good shooters in the States. Take at least that doctor that one and a half hundred Japanese (emnip) single-handedly laid around the operating tent
    1. +2
      23 November 2020 08: 04
      doctors that one and a half hundred Japanese
      belay
      I don't understand ... after the surgery or what?
      I don't know that ... enlighten. hi
      1. +7
        23 November 2020 08: 15
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        doctors that one and a half hundred Japanese
        belay
        I don't understand ... after the surgery or what?
        I don't know that ... enlighten. hi

        Benjamin Lewis (Ben) Salomon: “Outside, everyone is dead. I'm more useful there than here. I will detain them, and you drag the lying ones to safety. We'll see you again. "

        Details on warhead.su:
        https://warhead.su/2020/05/01/stomatolog-s-pulemyotom-odin-protiv-sta
        1. +4
          23 November 2020 09: 59
          Benjamin Lewis (Ben) Salomon: “Outside, everyone is dead. I'm more useful there than here. I will detain them, and you drag the lying ones to safety. We'll see you again. "

          Yes, there was such a dashing Good Doctor. drinks From the machine gunners, one can also mention the Marine John Basilone - on Guadalcanal he inflicted heavy losses on the Japanese, for which he was awarded the Medal of Honor. Killed in Iwo Jima in 1945. soldier
          1. +8
            23 November 2020 14: 10
            Hi, Nikolay! hi
            To the heap: A guy named Carlos Norman Hascock II served in Vietnam, one of the most famous snipers in the history of the US military, Considered one of the legendary figures of the United States Marine Corps. 93 confirmed and 300 unconfirmed destroyed targets (only found corpse was considered confirmed).
            He also had a kind of "personal record" - the destruction of an enemy soldier at a distance of 2250 m from a Browning M2 (HB) machine gun with a telescopic sight (it is considered a sniper record for range, officially broken in 2002). But this is cool!
            1. +4
              23 November 2020 14: 12
              Up the heap: a guy named Carlos Norman Hescock II served in Vietnam

              I heard about this guy, but I wouldn't remember if you didn't tell. drinks
          2. +2
            23 November 2020 18: 48
            According to legend, he invented a hook for carrying a machine gun, instead of an asbestos mitten.
            1. +5
              23 November 2020 19: 56
              According to legend, he invented a hook for carrying a machine gun, instead of an asbestos mitten.

              I didn't know that, but the destroyer was named after him. The widow (also a soldier) was present. Allies .... Do you remember "A helmet instead of a pillow"?
              instead of asbestos mittens

              The Germans sported these mittens until 1942. Yes The German infantry squad was grouped around the MG-34 machine gun. Only the squad leader had a submachine gun (possibly one or two more). I.e, "crowds of German machine gunners armed with Schmeissers - unfortunately, this cliche is found in memoirs, and later on in Soviet films. The moral impact of automatic fire was great - yes, on ours! (before that they also talked about the Finns with their "Suomi"). And we must admit this. Although the main fire, I think, was led by a machine gun. what So, in MG-34, the efforts of two people and asbestos gloves were needed to change the barrel. The flaw was fixed on the MG-42. It also has a handle, like a PM. hi It turns out that a similar device was learned from the Germans! request He gave the handle forward - the barrel itself tears ... hi
              1. +2
                23 November 2020 20: 05
                I do not remember. I remember a switch instead of a pillow.
                1. +3
                  23 November 2020 20: 08
                  I do not remember. I remember a switch instead of a pillow.

                  You served in other troops. wink "We don't fly ourselves - we'll give the hell to others!" drinks
                  1. +5
                    23 November 2020 20: 31
                    With this phrase, I hit one in the snout of one who went nuts in a Murmansk hospital. He flew well, through a couple of chairs.
                    1. +4
                      23 November 2020 20: 33
                      He flew well, through a couple of chairs.

                      We will not analyze the type of troops, although the most drunk are also snatched from the riot police on a professional holiday ... Because, whoever you are - and you need to know the measure! request And not to spoil the mood of other kind people, as Mark Ratslayer bequeathed. Yes
                      My dad served in the railway troops .. Half of the family - either in the military, or in the navy. But nobody was buried.
                      You need to know the measure, my friends! drinks
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 37
                        "And he is a man anywhere!
                        He served in the air defense! "(C)
                      2. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 54
                        He served in the air defense!

                        “You're just a man of habit!
                        - Man-habit is me!
                        Yes
                      3. +2
                        23 November 2020 21: 00
                        Uh-huh. I am still afraid of low-flying pigeons.
              2. +2
                23 November 2020 20: 59
                Nikolay, actually MG is a terrible thing. I heard from the old people that they called him: "bone cutter" and somehow, but now I don't remember
                1. +2
                  23 November 2020 21: 21
                  I heard from the old people that they called him: "bone cutter"

                  Creepy. The rate of fire was good. sad
            2. +2
              24 November 2020 14: 17
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              According to legend, he invented a hook for carrying a machine gun, instead of an asbestos mitten.

              EMNIP, in The Pacific there was a scene with a hook for carrying a machine gun. There, Basilone first showed how to carry a machine gun using this hook, without holding on to a hot barrel, and as a bonus - also the ability to fire on the move from a heavy machine gun (which his subordinates did not believe at first).
              However, John was no stranger to shooting from the machine on the go - on Guadalcanal he did just that.
              1. 0
                24 November 2020 14: 45
                There was a scene in The Pacific with a hook for carrying a machine gun.
                It was there that I learned. hi
  6. +11
    23 November 2020 08: 11
    I liked the article, but this is not very clear:
    in May 1862, their enterprising, albeit cowardly commander, was the first in the army of the northerners to equip his soldiers with Sharps rifles, loaded from the state

    I believe that Berdan objected to the use of elite riflemen as regular infantry. How can you blame him for this?
    1. +6
      23 November 2020 14: 14
      In assessing Berdan's actions, I fully agree with you. With a microscope, nails are driven in only in an extremely hopeless situation. hi
  7. +13
    23 November 2020 08: 21
    and ... an unusual-looking dark green uniform,
    That is, both in form and in tactics, they were JAGER regiments, which received more advanced weapons. Thanks, very interesting.
    I would also like to see the continuation of the "sniper story", for example, in the Anglo-Boer War hi
    1. +7
      23 November 2020 09: 14
      Indeed, the Boers were fine arrows
      1. +5
        23 November 2020 09: 16
        Quote: vladcub
        Indeed, the Boers were fine arrows

        Here they will tell us about this war and read ...
      2. +7
        23 November 2020 14: 23
        Hello Slava! From childhood I remember the book by Louis Boussinard "Captain Break the Head", as boys we read it through.


        "The Boers believed in God and in Mauser, but lost the war." (C)
        1. +5
          23 November 2020 18: 23
          I read this book as an adult, already after 20, and before I could not "catch" it. If then she seemed good, then for a teenager: Boussinar and Mine Reed is an atomic bomb.
        2. +3
          23 November 2020 21: 27
          Few had Mauser there!
          1. +3
            23 November 2020 22: 28
            Of course, not all of them had them, but there were two different Mauser models (as far as I know).
            1/. Mauser model 93 specially made for the Orange Republic, chambered for 7x57 mm. with the brand “OVS

            2 /. Transvaal also imported single-shot Mauser model 1871

            3 /. Martini-Henry rifles and rifles were also purchased by the Boer government.

            There were rifles from other countries and manufacturers. In addition, the Boers were supplied with weapons at the expense of their enemy.

            Pictured is a British Lee-Metford rifle.
  8. +8
    23 November 2020 08: 29
    Truly, an amazing shot from the Soviet film "The Headless Horseman" in 1973 with Oleg Vidov in the title role. On it we see a Colt revolving carbine - it means that even such a rare weapon somehow got to us in Russia and ended up in the hands of the "filmmakers"

    The film was Soviet-Cuban, it is possible that this rarity got into filming from Cuba.
  9. +5
    23 November 2020 08: 57
    Truly, an amazing shot from the Soviet movie "The Headless Horseman"
    ... If we take into account the cast, he is more Soviet-Cuban, but was filmed in the USSR, Crimea, Azerbaijan .. And the frame is truly amazing, how such a miracle got to the USSR, it does not even occur in German Indian films.
    1. +5
      23 November 2020 14: 28
      "an amazing shot from the Soviet movie:" The Headless Horseman ", I read the book many years ago and I remember that the book was set in the late 50s of the 19th century. I was sure that even then there were unitary cartridges, and Zeb Stump there was some old gun.
      I read Vyacheslav Olegovich and see: then they acquired capsule systems
  10. BAI
    +6
    23 November 2020 09: 39
    Usually they didn't like being photographed.

    Snipers (as well as scouts) are now generally prohibited from photographing (so that they can be identified). But the military specialty "Sniper", nevertheless, is written in the military ID, which is presented to the patrol (and who is there in this patrol is unknown).
  11. +6
    23 November 2020 09: 56
    Comrades, all good health. Q. Oh, of course well done, but purely out of disgust.
    "He invites the best shooters of the country to join his sniper regiment" it would be good if V. O expanded the topic of snipers: who was the first to introduce the expression "sniper"? I doubt that Berdan was the "father" of the expression
    "Such carbines were not a statutory weapon" in my opinion in the army of the northerners, especially the southerners, there was no single type of weapon. Berdan, a brainy man, equip soldiers with Colt carbines, V. O in the next branch, listed the samples of the northerners' weapons.
    The balarin, from the "evil eye" has a wish: to dislocate the leg, and I wish to become stupid
  12. +9
    23 November 2020 10: 24
    A well-aimed shot, as it turned out, was fired by Sergeant Grace of the 4th Confederate Infantry Regiment (although the name is also called Ben Powell) from a distance of about 800 yards (731 m)!

    Well, I don't know ... In the XNUMXth century. from such a distance in the head, it seems to me, you can only hit by accident.
    Here, I found data on SVD:
    1. +7
      23 November 2020 12: 48
      In the XIX century. from such a distance in the head, it seems to me, you can only hit by accident.

      It would be more accurate to call such an event probabilistic.
      Eyewitnesses to the episode reported that the shelling lasted for several minutes and, apparently, it was led by a whole unit
      Chief of Staff McMahan:
      bullets were flying all around

      A head hit by a general who decided "not to bow to bullets" under such conditions is quite natural
      1. +10
        23 November 2020 13: 10
        Yes, but in this case there is no question of sniper shooting, if we mean by this the principle of "one shot van kill". To saturate the space around the target for some time with flying lead is rather a matter of linear units. Even if the "snipers" did it, this is not sniper shooting.
        Although, in any case, there is a discrepancy here. If a
        Quote: Engineer
        the shelling lasted several minutes and, apparently, it was led by a whole unit

        then it is strange that the horse did not suffer, which represents a much more overall, and therefore an accessible target than the head, even (let’s say!) a very smart general ... smile
        It seems to me that a more probable option is when the shot was really sniper, but it was fired from a closer distance, allowing one to count on hitting such a target with one shot. The unit's fire could be conducted simply to disguise the main shooter so that he could get closer to the target, shoot and hide.
        1. +6
          23 November 2020 13: 32
          Mikhail, I don’t recognize you.
          You are wondering instead of asking yourself or asking
          Yes, but in this case there is no question of sniper shooting, if we mean by this the principle of "one shot van kill".

          Of course not. They were Marksmen, not snipers - just excellent shooters without special training but with special weapons.
          then it is strange that the horse did not suffer, representing a much larger, and therefore accessible target than the head, even (let’s say!) a very clever general.

          the usual accidents of war.
          It seems to me that a more probable option is when the shot was really sniper, but it was fired from a closer distance, allowing one to count on hitting such a target with one shot. The unit's fire could be conducted simply to disguise the main shooter so that he could get closer to the target, shoot and hide.

          I did not find anything like it. They shot from a long distance, quite a lot of people for several minutes
          At least five Confederate soldiers claimed that they had fired the fatal shot.

          That's it.
          Try and try until somebody die laughing
          1. +7
            23 November 2020 14: 41
            Actually, I know very little about the topic. smile
            There is neither time nor special desire to clarify, look for sources - in this case, I rely on colleagues. Therefore, I simply state my own considerations on the issue, without pretending to be the authority of the opinion. A lot can be explained by the accidents of war and, often, such an explanation is the only reasonable one. Most likely, everything was as you wrote, but then, apart from the safety of the horse, it is difficult to explain the fact that the successful shot was attributed to a specific shooter.
            Although, I repeat once again, everything is possible, these are just my thoughts out loud.
            By the way, the sources you are referring to - which side are they from? Northerners or Southerners? If northerners, then this evidence does not at all refute my hypothesis about a sniper put forward beyond the line of shooters - people described only what they saw and how they saw it. If the description comes from southerners, then I gladly reject my hypothesis in favor of yours. smile
            In any case, the meaning of my initial comment remains the same - a single (sniper) shot at such a distance can only hit a person's head by accident, especially when it comes to weapons of the XNUMXth century.
            1. +5
              23 November 2020 16: 21
              This is how unnoticed you raised as many as several private and global problems.
              Immediately my resume - there was no planned action of the southerners with the cover of a sniper (not in the sources), it was an ordinary hectic military battle

              1. Comparison of sources gave nothing. Americans write about it

              2 Was Sedgwick on horseback at the time of his death?
              Ben Medicus Powell claims to have shot a high-ranking Yankee who was on horseback
              Burgess says this too - another contender

              But in a letter from McMahan (Sedgwick's chief of staff) about the circumstances of Sedgwick's death, it is not indicated that the general was on horseback, on the contrary, there are indications that the general was rather on foot.

              Bullet passed with a long shrill whistle very close, and the soldier, who was then just in front of the general, dodged to the ground. The general touched him gently with his foot, and said, "Why, my man, I am ashamed of you, dodging that way," and repeated the remark "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance."


              The general "softly" touched the soldier who had fallen to the ground with his foot, which is difficult to do on horseback.

              3. Optical sights at the time?
              It is indicated that some of the Whitworth rifles were equipped with optical sights, but there is no certainty that the author of the article (the one below, in the sources, NOT Shpakovsky) did not confuse them with simpler devices where a small optical device is worn on the front sight - globe sight
              But Powell insisted that he clearly saw the target in his "telescopic sight". It turns out that there was something more serious? But Powell's story was recorded 50 years later

              4. How many shots were fired at the general?
              According to McMahan, it turns out that a lot
              the enemy opened a sprinkleling fire, partly from sharp-shooters.

              McMahan himself made out the whistling noise of Whitworth rifle bullets 3 times
              5 Who shot at the general?
              Yes, hell will understand. There is little evidence, but many hunting stories. This is despite the fact that at the time of the war, no one wanted to advertise this because of the inconsistency with the code of honor of the Victorian era, and after - for quite understandable reasons.
              The thoughts of the rank and file, however, quickly turned to revenge. The incensed Yankees sent infantry patrols to find the culprit and killed several Rebel riflemen in retaliation. Eventually they located nine Confederate marksmen in a tree and proceeded to do a little sharpshooting of their own with a rifled artillery piece. “The first shot,” chortled a Union soldier, “cut the tree off about 40 feet from the ground & down came Mr. sharp shooter head first. "

              The Yankees organized a search and killed several enemy riflemen. We found as many as 9 Marksmen (!!!) in a tree (in and not on or at - on or near) The first shot of the cannon cut the tree at a height of 40 feet and the arrow's head flew down
              Believe it or not. Especially cited this charming passage in full.

              6. How these sharpshooters fired. Shooters with these rifles usually operated as part of units, but especially successful ones could act independently in the manner of later snipers. In the article below, the arrows with Whitworth rifles often acted independently, but not so independently as to move away from the zone of action of their units and subunits.

              These Marksmen-sharpshooters of those times are like runners, but not snipers.

              7 For some applicants
              Powell - his part was far from the scene - two miles. second-hand story of events
              Burgess - shot at the mounted officer, second-hand story of events. Not sure if he had Whitworth
              Grace is part of it a mile from Sedgwick's position, with a forest between them. But theoretically, an experienced "sniper dad" could go to the edge of the forest to hunt.
              Johnson - Named Sedgwick's killer in a 1901 study. It seems that his unit had Whitworths and was in the right place.

              It turns out that by and large there is only McMahan's testimony - it has an official character and is clearly documented

              Sources of
              https://www.historynet.com/the-killing-of-uncle-john.htm
              http://www.sedgwick.org/na/families/robert1613/B/2/9/2/powell-benjaminm1841.html#augusta
              1. +7
                23 November 2020 17: 58
                Funny.
                I noticed long ago that the deeper you study any topic, the less you allow yourself to make categorical statements. smile
                And the general may not be on horseback, and several people are claiming the "trophy" at once, and in general, by and large, in this case we can only confidently assert that the general was killed by a bullet, and did not die of appendicitis. smile
                In hot pursuit, no one confessed and did not receive a medal. Probably, after the medal, a personal bullet from offended opponents should have been expected, so the arrows would rather point at each other - this is, they say, he, not me ...
                50 years later, when the passions subsided, those wishing to reap the laurels appeared in excess, while the true "hero of the occasion" could have given his soul to God for a long time not in that battle, but in the next. Sheer confusion, in general.
                Well, if the general was on foot at the time of injury and death, then my doubts about the horse are eliminated by this fact.
                About the Marksmen (I'm sorry, I don't like typing in Latin). They sat on the tree, that is, in its crown, therefore "in". "On" is used, as I understand it, when the object is on the outer border of another object, and exactly on top.
                The severed head of the shooter was also unlikely to have taken place. He "came down head first", that is, "came down head first," if in Russian - fell head down.
                And by the way, the presence of shooters in the crowns of trees can be understood precisely as a "free hunt" with the location of the shooter in front of the main line of his unit. Although, of course, it is possible that these trees grew behind the line of shooters, but why then they were discovered by the "patrols", and not, for example, by observers? And if they were in front of the line, then why were they shot down with cannons? Found them, but not quite? Only knew the tree? Well, maybe. You can't see the shooter in the crown, but you don't want to stick out and look ... In the Finnish war, I read, the tree crowns were combed with a machine gun, but here "only big guns", grunt along the trunk and collect coconuts ... laughing
                In general, solid riddles ... smile
                1. +4
                  23 November 2020 18: 50
                  if in Russian - fell head down.

                  Yes, I crumpled my translation - they called me to a meeting) Work is evil
                  The preposition in is yes, usually to what's inside. The meaning is obtained in the crown, like birds
                  on- at the top, but still on the trunk

                  I don't really believe in shooters in the trees, and even more than one. They say the sniper has to be a durak to climb a tree because it precludes flexibility in changing positions. Plus a direct hit with the first shot from the cannon. There are already zaboristy hunting stories went. In the sum, vyvyglaznaya crap.
                  1. +4
                    23 November 2020 21: 24
                    Quote: Engineer
                    I don't really believe in shooters in trees at all

                    Nevertheless, despite the seeming stupidity, I, for example, constantly come across information about tree ambushes in relation to military operations in the forest. Here and there. Why would a Confederate fly head down from a tree?
                    One of my friends' grandfather died in Finnish. I remember my grandmother very well, but they always had a photograph in their house - he was in a Red Army uniform and she was young. So, he was a machine-gunner and, judging by the stories told by my friend's father, he was doing just that, knocking down the Finnish "cuckoos" from their perches.
                    In the forest zone, such perches can be justified by only one thing - rising above the underbrush, the shooter significantly increases the range of enemy detection and firing, respectively. It is very problematic to detect him from a distance of about 500 m, while he can already conduct quite effective fire from such a distance. But if found, then yes - amba. Although it is also necessary to shoot it down, and for this either a heavy fire on the sector of everything that is, or a tree to fall. So you still need to come within shot range ... In short, the forest has its own subtleties.
                    As a kid, I liked to hide in a tree - rarely anyone looks up.
                    1. +2
                      23 November 2020 21: 46
                      I'm 100% sure no one flew upside down. Generally.
                      The above paragraph is almost the best confirmation of the saying "lies as an eyewitness."
                      Pearls in every phrase, in almost every word.
                      During the Finnish war, the Finns did not climb trees for one simple reason - you freeze instantly. Plus skiing.
                      The myth of "cuckoos" has been refuted long ago, but for some reason it is very tenacious. Although the Finns have long told and showed the tactics of their snipers.
                      All these arrows in the trees are from the field of military psychology. Like dozens of people who "saw with their own eyes" submarines and torpedoes where they have never been.
                      The tension of the battle, its apparent incoherence and irrationality gives rise to the desire to create "pivot points" in consciousness. It is enough for one to point his hand at the forest with a yell - "the sniper is over there" - and everyone will be sure that this is exactly the case, and a bunch of people will say not one, but at least five, they saw it with their own eyes.
                      Snipers are like that, less than nine on a tree do not bunch)
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2020 22: 37
                        Quote: Engineer
                        During the Finnish war, the Finns did not climb trees for one simple reason - you freeze instantly. Plus skiing.
                        The myth of "cuckoos" has been refuted long ago, but for some reason it is very tenacious. Although the Finns have long told and showed the tactics of their snipers.

                        These were not snipers, but apparently artillery observers (fire spotters), I think there are a couple of photographs and a couple of testimonies about these killed by our "cuckoos" - they had artillery tabs.
                      2. +2
                        24 November 2020 14: 55
                        This is a little more plausible because it is more expedient. But there are also a lot of questions regarding the wiring of telephone communications to the tree or the supply of the spotter with a radio station. And according to the evidence, this is happening right at the front of the enemy. Yeah
                        For me, it is still a military folklore - like female snipers in wars in the post-Soviet space. And also a lot of people from soldiers to generals beat themselves in the chest "yes you cho, 100%, you saw and heard yourself"
                        Gustav Hasford:
                        How does an army story differ from a children's fairy tale?
                        The tale begins with the words "once upon a time ..."
                        Army history from the words "really, not crap ..."
                      3. +2
                        24 November 2020 15: 08
                        Quote: Engineer
                        For me it's still military folklore

                        There were also rubber pillboxes, from which the shells bounced. laughing
                        But seriously, people were most likely seen in the trees, mistakenly perceived as snipers, which the Finns, at least specially trained, did not have at all. Proofreaders art. fire and observers could well do it from trees, but how else to do it in a forest? Ours, let's say, used balloons and apparently aviation, the Finns apparently did it from the trees. Under these conditions, conduct art. fire without adjustment is a pointless waste of ammunition.
                        And how the myth of sniper cuckoos was born, I don't know. hi
                  2. +2
                    24 November 2020 19: 35
                    A Komsomol volunteer, a participant in the Finnish war, told me in 1975 that his company, which was moving towards the front, had been ambushed by the Finns on a forest road. At least two Finns were sitting in the trees 50-70 meters from the road due to the fact that the roadside bushes were covered with snow to a height of 2 meters or more and nothing could be seen through them.
                2. +2
                  23 November 2020 18: 59
                  They shot their own, in the back of the head, so as not to show off.
        2. +2
          23 November 2020 18: 39
          Michael, most likely fired at "God's light", and not at the general. Otherwise, at least one bullet would hit the horse.
          "The bombardment lasted for several minutes," and if you start conspiring, the general is killed by a traitor. And all subsequent stories serve as a "smoke screen". How is this version? In my opinion, then no one was involved in the investigation and no one could determine from what distance the vestrel.
      2. +5
        23 November 2020 14: 26
        Quote: Engineer
        A head hit by a general who decided "not to bow to bullets" under such conditions is quite natural

        He was overly optimistic for the 60s of the XIX century, in the era of the Napoleonic wars, at the very least, it was possible to flaunt in gold and feathers in front of the formation, and now - sorry ... laughing
        1. +6
          23 November 2020 14: 35
          it was in gold and feathers before the formation to flaunt

          ..immediately Murat is remembered ... fellow
          and now - sorry ...

          and forty years later, the British will also take off their famous red uniforms to replace them with a solid khaki uniform - the Boers shot well! request But ours and the Japanese will start fighting in white tunics ...
          1. +4
            23 November 2020 14: 51
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            ..immediately Murat is remembered ...

            Murat is not yet the most exalted in comparison with Lassalle, he generally stood out noticeably with his wardrobe. laughing
            1. +4
              23 November 2020 15: 06
              Murat is not yet the most exalted in comparison with Lassalle, he generally stood out noticeably with his wardrobe.

              Before you said, Sergei, I didn't even know about Lassalle. recourse Now flipped through the "Vika". Indeed, a dashing hussar. I wonder if it was comfortable to walk in a gallop in such a hat? what

              There is a phrase in the "wiki" that Napoleon compared Lassalle with our Kulnev. Well, he was also that daredevil. Apparently, there is something the same in the hussar generals ... drinks
              1. +3
                23 November 2020 15: 10
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Indeed, the dashing hussar

                It was he who said that "a hussar who was not killed until 30 years old, not a hussar - but a Mr." and was known for his incredible attire.
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      23 November 2020 21: 00
      I'm projecting onto the modern - from 200m to 10cm a circle from the open and put all ten there ... hmm. magazine cartridges, if not cool, give a spread of a couple of inches. and a circle of such a current is 6 times the glass to see ..... or from a computer now so vision is degrading)))
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    23 November 2020 12: 56
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, a super interesting topic, and little known.
    If trapper Nat Bumpo, thanks to literature and films, consolidated his role in the era of the War of Independence, then these first snipers (in the modern sense) who played a very important role in the Civil War remained little known (as they wanted during their lifetime).
  15. +5
    23 November 2020 13: 18
    Colleagues, I wish you all good health. There was no time to charge the phone in the evening to watch on the road. At work we have a "standby" charger, but it is USB, but I need a new one, I forgot the name, in short, I charged it ... 10 times swearing
    1. +8
      23 November 2020 13: 23
      Quote: Astra wild2
      USB, and I need a new one, I forgot the name, in short

      USB, what is newer? Cursing? That's who you women will understand ?????
      1. +3
        23 November 2020 13: 36
        Yes, a new standard has already appeared, they are now prompting, OTG, it is similar to usb, but different. At least my Redmi has it already
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          1. +7
            23 November 2020 14: 02
            Upps! Thought there was nothing older than my nuavey?

            is. laughing My Nokia 2014. Push-button. And no plasma - I read VO only from a computer. Anton is a witness. drinks
            1. +3
              23 November 2020 14: 22
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              My Nokia 2014. Push-button.

              My month ago, it finally broke down, my wife gave me her old smartphone, I’m getting used to it with great difficulty, one plus - you can take photos.
              And I thought that I was the last of the Mohicans with a push-button. hi
              1. +4
                23 November 2020 14: 26
                And I thought that I was the last of the Mohicans with a push-button.

                No, the penultimate one. wink Sergey - in line laughing
                Mine finally broke down a month ago

                I expect it systematically with a shudder ... belay On them now and charging is almost impossible to get. I bought the last one in the passage on Leninsky - not in the salons! request
                I get used to it with great difficulty

                I'm just too lazy to start mastering it .... The smartphone is in the closet on the shelf, never used - but just lazy ... Although, of course, plasma is convenient in itself - and the Internet to you, and the navigator, and the camera. You can't even take a picture in mine now - there is no place in my memory. drinks
                1. +10
                  23 November 2020 14: 38
                  You accumulate debts before progress. Exel, smartphone ... Then you have to hire a tutor to master the Japanese toilet.
                  1. +7
                    23 November 2020 14: 54
                    Quote: Undecim
                    japanese toilet master

                    God save me from this: you can't do your business with a Japanese toilet until you talk (in Japanese, of course) for about 10 minutes tongue
                    1. +6
                      23 November 2020 15: 11
                      Thank you laugh
                      1. +6
                        23 November 2020 15: 15
                        Thank you laugh

                        And we will hire Viktor Nikolaevich ... as a tutor in Japanese ... wink He, moreover, was in the Land of the Rising Sun, and he knows for sure on what topics it is necessary to communicate with Japanese toilets ... tongue drinks .. he generally knows almost everything .. and what he does not know - he will find. Yes
                        I only remember the word "arigatO"! request
                      2. +6
                        23 November 2020 18: 08
                        And I just write about what they write in novels or say on TV: sepuka, samurai, geisha.
                        Nikolay, have you read the book by Vyacheslav Olegovich: "People with Weapons"? How do you rate it? I read. Learned a lot about Japan from his book
                      3. +4
                        23 November 2020 19: 46
                        Who is Sepuka?
                      4. +3
                        23 November 2020 19: 54
                        Who is Sepuka?

                        Victor Nikolaevich! soldier This is ... when the belly of oneself is ripped open ... Men, preferably, having previously written their death hockey on a fan, and if they write in their own blood, they are welcome. They say it came from the Minamoto - Taira did not commit this, although they were also not alien to suicide, for example, as in the battle of Dan-No-Ura. hi But ladies should perform the ceremony of cutting their necks, but (!) Having pulled their ankles tightly beforehand, so that after the moment of convulsions their bodies would not be found by curious haimin in an indecent position. lol
                        Have leniency for spelling, My Dear Man! drinks
                      5. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 06
                        And, so this was meant by the ritual suicide adopted by the samurai - seppuku.
                      6. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 25
                        And, so this was meant by the ritual suicide adopted by the samurai - seppuku.

                        At first I thought that a certain Dziuba was depicted on the right at his favorite pastime, but from the hieroglyphs on the left I understood that he was a samurai-sideburner, preparing to part with his life ... tongue Yes, just Pushkin is a suicide, "besides, a poet, albeit with a small, but grasping strength"! laughing
                        Well, of course, you can also say - "hara-kiri"! what But that will not be accurate. stop It's like calling the Emperor of Japan Mikado! request But Mikado is a cat! (Today, the shingle guy, he arranged three times "tygydym" on my legs at night! By the way, Anton is very fond of ...). And the Japanese will say - not Mikado, but Tenno! Like this! Yes
                        Okay. Take a look. Sergey-Aviator posted the photo, and I'll post it. drinks
                        Glued up a whole battle over the past three weeks:

                        Left: biplane I-4 (aka ANT-5), I-16 (gray), below the MiG-3 and La-5FN. On the right - Me-109 (did not have time to apply stickers-decals), Ju-87 and Fw-190.
                        Didn't paint! drinks
                      7. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 43
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Left: biplane I-4 (aka ANT-5), I-16 (gray), below the MiG-3 and La-5FN. On the right - Me-109 (did not have time to apply stickers-decals), Ju-87 and Fw-190.
                        Didn't paint!

                        Well done! good drinks How much are the models now?
                      8. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 56
                        How much are the models now?

                        Valera, hello! drinks This is Kolya Mikado! Rub 300 each. Glue for myself. Addictive, honestly. And do not mind! laughing By the way, the "Germans" are made very high quality - from "Zvezda". There I barely spattered them with glue. good
                        Duck, I smoke almost that much a day! request
                      9. +5
                        23 November 2020 21: 13
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Valera, hello! This is Kolya Mikado!

                        So I knew laughing drinks We are in the bargain. The department opened in the center, I was surprised and amazed at the variety of models and scaling !!! In general, I would have it all in childhood good Although now it is also interesting, but the area does not allow. and the price tag is from 143 rubles to infinity.
                      10. +3
                        23 November 2020 21: 24
                        Although now it is also interesting, but the area does not allow. and the price tag is from 143 rubles to infinity.

                        Well, call me, now a pack of normal cigarettes costs at least 130. laughing And here - a pleasure for two days, to glue. This is - if not paint! wink If you paint - there generally, I think, for a week ... drinks
                      11. +5
                        23 November 2020 21: 53
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And here - a pleasure for two days, to glue. This is - if not paint! If you paint - there generally, I think, for a week ...

                        Ha laughing amateur. wink This is how it should look

                        Or
                      12. +2
                        23 November 2020 21: 57
                        Hadiletant. This is how it should look

                        I'm sorry! laughing So this is from the pros, not from the curved dilettante!
                        So from Ju-87 such a beast can turn out - feast for the eyes, if skillfully!

                        But if you do it according to science. And my veins are still shaking to paint! drinks I'm afraid to ruin.
                        And the coloring of our pre-war military is really beautiful - top-green, bottom-blue .. A whole era! drinks
                      13. +6
                        23 November 2020 22: 21
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And my veins are still shaking to paint! I'm afraid to ruin.

                        Take two models at once, one for an experimental release, buy ophthalmological glasses, in the 72nd scale all the details are small and the "Zvezda" is lousy Yes And in general, the 72nd does not convey anything, although if everything is on a single shelf and in a natural color, but this is definitely not for a couple of days laughing
                      14. +3
                        23 November 2020 22: 34
                        and "Zvezda" is lousy

                        the "Modeler" is even worse - I give a tooth. Yes You can not smear the "star" in some details and glue - the parts come in as if they were cast. For the Me-109, I simply inserted the antenna on top of the cap - it sits, it does not ask back. And I will only stain with glue ... stop
                        And in general, the 72nd does not convey anything, although if everything is on a single shelf and in a natural color, but this is definitely not for a couple of days

                        I can already see I-16 and MiG-3. Isn't that in 1/100? drinks
                        Valera, I'm afraid there will be nowhere to set up a larger staff! request laughing
                        ..there on the internet I saw a private advertisement for the sale of TB-3 "Link" - with two fighters, not used, in its own box ... 1/72, like. Thing! good
                      15. +3
                        23 November 2020 22: 54
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        ut on the internet saw a private advertisement for the sale of TB-3 "Link" - with two fighters

                        Bro! drinks There are as many as you like, it all depends on the wishes and wallet of the client. I just showed you scaling, you must admit nothing is clear laughing Although you're right, this is 100 ka, and how much gemmorrroya laughing It's the same to decorate with pout)))
                        You simplify the task, first planes and Nenets classmates, and then tanks and so on. And so on. Moreover, the Chinese are now doing large-scale, seriously and tastefully! We have a sidekick Gukin, so he does everything with a self-saw, when you go into the garage, you can go crazy !!!
                      16. +2
                        25 November 2020 02: 26
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I can already see I-16 and MiG-3. Isn't that in 1/100?
                        Valera, I'm afraid there will be nowhere to set up a larger staff!

                        Kolya, your whole vision is only in your dossier folders in safes, from which you will run away all your life winked
                        In an army way, there are other cards in safes.
                      17. +2
                        24 November 2020 08: 57
                        Delighted: so much patience for this .... I sometimes take the hoop, I prefer to hang in the "net"
                      18. +1
                        24 November 2020 09: 13
                        I sometimes take the hoop, I prefer to hang in the "net"

                        Creativity with your hands is gorgeous in itself! And any kind of it.
                      19. +3
                        23 November 2020 20: 52
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Glued up a whole battle over the past three weeks:

                        Cool! good
                        And I just recently finished Stug IV:

                        Gathering my strength to start a new tank: I received a gift for the DR - Mengovskaya Jagdpanther: "my favorite option" - the tracks must be glued: 2 tracks of 87 tracks each, each track consists of 3 parts, in general we will have something to do on long winter evenings laughing
                      20. +1
                        23 November 2020 21: 17
                        Gathering my strength to start a new tank: I received a gift for the DR - Jagdpanther Mengovskaya: "my favorite option"

                        Class! I have a similar situation - he said to his a month ago: "I will spit on everything, and I will glue the models in the evenings! " laughing
                        A week passes ... A T-34 from Zvezda is lying on my table - a present! good

                        Then I went back ... belay The model is large, a bunch of parts .. skill is needed, fine motor skills .. what
                        I say: "Mmm .. and order me some more small models 1/72 from" Zvezda "to" Wildberries ".
                        Here ... the whole collection!
                        By the way, everything - from "Zvezda", except for "donkey". Scale 1/72, small. "Star" - the quality is very good. With the I-16 from the "Modeler" I was tortured - everything needs to be adjusted by eye, it turned out obscene. recourse But you need it for the collection! There is also an I-153 - also from the "Modelist" ... what
                        Which manufacturer is your model from?
                        What and how did they paint? drinks
                      21. +3
                        23 November 2020 21: 31
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        A T-34 from Zvezda is lying on my table - a gift!

                        It was such a T-35/85 from Zvezda that he assembled several years ago.
                        Basically I collect a Star and a Modeler, the quality is quite normal (in my opinion), the prices too, although lately they are starting to rise significantly.
                        Stug IV was from Revell, more expensive, now Jagdapanter was given by his wife from Meng (dear), for the first time I will glue such a company.
                        Once I took some Ukrainian company ICM or ARK (I don't remember) - I cursed everything in the world, the price was certainly cheap, but the quality was in no way: nothing fits, small parts break. There was a BT-7A, barely finished it, by an effort of will.
                        I collect 1/35 tanks, and 1/72 planes, I don't have a lot: 15 tanks and 20 aircraft. More for the sake of the process, somehow calms.
                        I paint with ordinary paints from the Star by hand.
                        In general, more for the sake of the process, and not a numerical result. hi
                      22. +2
                        23 November 2020 21: 45
                        In general, more for the sake of the process, and not a numerical result.

                        That's right, really addictive! good
                        It was such a T-35/85 from Zvezda that he assembled several years ago.

                        I still have to. But there are paints in the kit! wink
                        I collect tanks 1/35, and aircraft 1/72

                        There are already a couple of 1/48 aircraft (including the Revell Spitfire) lying in line. In short, it's time for me to buy paints ... I'm afraid, but my eyes are afraid, but my hands do! lol
                        I paint with ordinary paints from the Star by hand.

                        With a brush? How long do you leave to dry? Do you use other devices? Tripods, etc.? I just don't know if there are any. hi
                        Star and Modeler

                        "Modeler" turned out to be more expensive. I ordered it through https://www.plasticmodel.ru/. Minuses. The first is more expensive than "Zvezda" through "Wildberries" (I already use the fact that mine is registered on them for free. I pay everything myself, ess-no). laughing The second is sending by CDEK, plus 400 rubles. Third, the quality is clearly lower ... No. Pros! The "Modelist" has many more WWII models of 1/72 scale! good There are ours, Germans, allies (including deck bombers), and the Japanese Zero! fellow But the quality ... alas! sad I almost threw out the I-16 while gluing it. request I glued Ju-87 from Zvezda (twice as much!) With pleasure, but this one - with flour! negative
                        There was a BT-7A, barely finished it, by an effort of will.

                        Just do not blame the Tsarist General Nikolai Filatov, who for the first time proposed to put a "short" 76-mm cannon on armored vehicles! laughing
                      23. +1
                        23 November 2020 22: 31
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        With a brush? How long do you leave to dry? Do you use other devices? Tripods, etc.? I just don't know if there are any.

                        Yes, with an ordinary small brush, there are of course airbrushes, professionals use them, but I am an amateur, more for the sake of the process of "fiddling" I do it.
                        Acrylic paints dry very quickly, almost instantly. From tools: scissors, nippers, file, tweezers, sometimes you need a small skin, and that's probably all. But it looks like I'll have to buy a magnifying glass, my vision began to sit down.
                        By the way, you can buy it in Leonardo, probably there is more expensive, but taking into account the delivery from Internet sites, about the same price is obtained.
                        The modeler did not seem to me to be worse than the Star in quality, but maybe they have recently dropped.
                        1/48 of the planes did not begin to assemble, they turn out to be large: the problem is where to keep. This is generally a problem: I try to keep everything behind the glass, otherwise they become very dusty and lose their appearance and normally they cannot be cleaned of dust. too fragile.
                        I wanted to assemble a B-29, but it turns out to be half a meter in size and it is in 1/72 scale, it is not clear where to keep it until I began. hi
                      24. +1
                        23 November 2020 22: 43
                        1/48 of the planes did not begin to assemble, they turn out to be large: the problem is where to keep.

                        Just about, and I am also afraid of this - there is no place. what Although, conventionally - a standard-sized "Soviet model"! As in childhood.
                        I wanted to assemble a B-29, but it turns out to be half a meter in size and it is in 1/72 scale, it is not clear where to keep it until I began.

                        Hmm .. I'm afraid to touch a Pe-8 of the same scale for now ... I think I'll break my brains! wassat

                        While in the box is. I get my hands on smaller ones - fighters and small bombers. laughing
                        Acrylic paints dry very quickly, almost instantly. From tools: scissors, nippers, file, tweezers, sometimes you need a small skin, and that's probably all. But it looks like I'll have to buy a magnifying glass, my vision began to sit down.

                        So, copied! Thank you heartfelt! good
                        I do not use nippers, I carefully clean it with a knife. It must be wrong ... drinks
                      25. +2
                        23 November 2020 22: 48
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I do not use nippers, I carefully clean it with a knife.

                        For the most part, everything is cut well with ordinary nail scissors, rarely when the plastic is so thick.
                        I want to collect everything Petlyakov, but for now I am not taking it because of the space. I have 4 bombers - the main problem with them is where to put them. hi
                      26. +3
                        24 November 2020 09: 17
                        "will have to buy a magnifying glass" I recommend "monocular". It looks like a swimming mask. I saw it with an eightfold increase. There are in Weldbury. I didn't pay attention to the price
                      27. +1
                        24 November 2020 19: 50
                        Large models should be placed in a shelf made in the corner of the room: two triangular covers - top and bottom and glass in front, can be hinged. My son has a Mustang Airfiksovsky in the M24 and the GDR T-95 in the M72.
                      28. +2
                        24 November 2020 00: 06
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Who is Sepuka?

                        Inspired by:
                        “SEPULKI are an important element of the Ardrit civilization (see) from the planet Enteropia (see). See SEPULCARIA ".
                        I followed this advice and read:
                        "SEPULKARIA - devices for separation (see)".
                        I looked for Sepulenie; it read:
                        “SEPULENIE is the occupation of the ardrites (see) from the planet Enteropia (see). See SEPULKI ".
                        (c) (S. Lem. "The star diaries of Iyon the Quiet. The fourteenth journey")
                      29. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 12
                        Do you remember "Kill Bill"?
                      30. Alf
                        +1
                        23 November 2020 20: 35
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I only remember the word "arigatO"!

                        And I am "sake".
                      31. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 44
                        And I am "sake".

                        By the way, I have never tried it. what But the Japanese have enough! drinks
                      32. +1
                        23 November 2020 22: 10
                        By the way, I have never tried it.

                        Do not need. Rubbish rubbish. Japs make it for themselves, for they are not adapted to strong drinks. But at conferences for foreigners, spirits are also displayed - usually whiskey, no vodka or brandy, I have not seen there.
                      33. +2
                        23 November 2020 22: 30
                        But at conferences, spirits are also displayed for guests - usually whiskey, no vodka or brandy, I have not seen there.

                        Sergey, did you communicate with the Japanese? wink I thought that from our cheerful, but not always adequate company, only Viktor Nikolayevich Undecim communicated with them - for he was in Japan on business. drinks
                      34. +3
                        23 November 2020 22: 56
                        I, too, on business, happened a couple of times. Good people, they drink like we do (only our sake), love cats, if not for their idiotic demands of the "northern territories" - it would have been normal in general. However, about the territory they have only in the box, and so we did not touch on these topics. Photos from TV, weather forecast. Our islands paint with their colors.
                      35. +2
                        24 November 2020 09: 16
                        Photos from TV, weather forecast. Our islands paint with their colors.

                        Everyone boosts self-esteem in their own way laughing
                        love cats

                        I may be lying, but it seems they have some kind of taxes on keeping pets? Sergey, enlighten! drinks
                      36. +2
                        24 November 2020 15: 01
                        Who knows about local taxes? Wherever I go, I take pictures of local cats everywhere. And everywhere they are the same, like our garbage dumps. This is a Japanese cat.

                        She lived in a bicycle parking lot, my grandfather came there regularly in the evening, fed her and her kittens.
                      37. +2
                        24 November 2020 15: 03
                        In general, I liked their television, a lot of children's programs about nature. And the sumo wrestling competition is a thrilling performance.
                      38. +2
                        23 November 2020 22: 44
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Do not need. Rubbish rubbish.

                        I agree, not so long ago I bought it to try. By the way, this is not wine and not vodka or moonshine, but ordinary mash, only refined and aged, which is why it is stronger than ordinary mash, which is 8-10g. They withstand it and it becomes stronger: 15-16g. I read that drinking hot sake is not really "camilfo", only low-quality sake is heated, and high-quality sake is drunk cold.
                        But I didn't like it at all. hi
                      39. +1
                        24 November 2020 09: 17
                        But I didn't like it at all.

                        After the drinks we know, it's probably not interesting ... laughing
                      40. +1
                        1 December 2020 13: 32
                        Suntory, good!
                      41. +1
                        1 December 2020 13: 31
                        Nasty ... I tried it at the age of 17.
                    2. +5
                      23 November 2020 18: 52
                      There is a pictogram next to the hieroglyphs, everything is clear
                      1. +6
                        23 November 2020 19: 49
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        There is a pictogram next to the hieroglyphs, everything is clear

                        Yes, yes, of course, the pictogram is simple, just figured out lol
                      2. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 31
                        Yes, yes, of course, the pictogram is simple, just figured out

                        Shpakovsky once wrote a cycle on the Aztecs in 2017 ... what in general, Sergey, it's easier to list what he didn't write about!
                        By the way, where are Vaschenko's articles ?! Penalize him! drinks
                      3. +4
                        23 November 2020 20: 36
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        By the way, where are Vaschenko's articles ?!

                        Promised
                        Penalize him!

                        The solution is insidious! wassat
                      4. +5
                        23 November 2020 20: 45
                        The solution is insidious!

                        So we will pour! wink There would be a desire, but there will be pouring ones! Yes
                        Sergei, that's not the point. Let's be positivists! soldier Whom to read in the "history" section? hi A certain A. Samsonov regularly rewrites monumental research. Not him, strangers! True samsons are the same "there was no Mongol" and other scandals for 1000+ comments. Not interested... No. Sergey Yuferev - I highly respect him. Yes The question is that "patriots" who begin to be rude without reading the articles come running to his articles - we passed last week, when a good article on the Prussian infantry of the 18th century turned into a "jingo-patritotic toilet", excuse me. fool With slogans ... negative Remaining - Shpakovsky, Ryzhov, Vaschenko. Alexey Oleinikov and Artem "Arturpraetor" are not published. request
                        That's all! We are waiting for Eduard's articles with warm wishes! drinks
                      5. +3
                        23 November 2020 20: 57
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Whom to read in the "history" section?

                        I cannot but agree, as one of my acquaintances used to say: "Duck for the identity ahead and I will do it" tongue
                      6. +4
                        23 November 2020 21: 20
                        I cannot but agree, as one of my acquaintances used to say: "Duck for the identity ahead and I will do it"

                        Edward has been gone for a month! request Shpakovsky dropped out for two weeks - so the people howled! belay There is nothing to read except Ryzhov! request
                      7. +5
                        23 November 2020 21: 23
                        True, Oleinikov and Artyom disappeared, Vaschenko is not, Polonsky and he disappeared, and Samsonov is in place, probably Satan is drinking
                      8. +2
                        23 November 2020 21: 27
                        Samsonov is in place, probably Satan is drinking

                        Not when thumps once a week - he has "ancient Slavs". fellow drinks Thank God for "opinions". But the articles are provocative, and they regularly collect buhurt as abuse and clicks. what Although this is clearly not worth it .. Yes damn it, even on the humorous (already closed) "Warhead" was not published! No.
                      9. +1
                        24 November 2020 13: 33
                        appreciate Samsonov
                      10. +1
                        24 November 2020 13: 42
                        appreciate Samsonov

                        Vera, I used to appreciate him normally. While reading his articles about Napoleonics in 2016. This is my own business, I do not want either approval or condemnation. Everyone likes what they like. In principle, what I wanted, I have already said ...
                      11. +1
                        24 November 2020 13: 44
                        He thinks differently
                      12. 0
                        24 November 2020 13: 47
                        He thinks differently

                        To each his own. It was more pleasant for me yesterday to discuss modelki with Sergey and Valery than to mention some opuses. Yes
                      13. +2
                        24 November 2020 16: 37
                        I am indifferent to modeling, but it is more pleasant for me to read this than "the mustache is gone" or "we are stronger than everyone else", and these are the ones that prevail in Samsonov. Kharluzhny
                      14. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 45
                        Well, everything is clear right there - "Darkness" is the toilet itself
                      15. +3
                        23 November 2020 21: 03
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        "Darkness" is the toilet itself

                        Very interesting, but in Old Russian, darkness is ten thousand, but if you try to cross? perhaps it smells like a discovery in the field of symbolism and in the field of linguistics wassat
                      16. +4
                        23 November 2020 21: 28
                        Well, everything is clear right there - "Darkness" is the toilet itself

                        Sergei, well, the right word, it depends on how much shit! laughing drinks
                      17. +2
                        23 November 2020 22: 06
                        The Incas didn't seem to be trifling laughing drinks
                    3. +4
                      23 November 2020 19: 24
                      Here is clearer
                  2. +6
                    23 November 2020 15: 08
                    You accumulate debts before progress. Exel, smartphone ... Then you have to hire a tutor to master the Japanese toilet.

                    I am a sinner, Victor Nikolaevich ... recourse Laziness, lust, gluttony ... wink
                    1. +6
                      23 November 2020 15: 12
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Laziness, lust, gluttony ...

                      1. +5
                        23 November 2020 15: 53
                        We haven't touched Diogenes yet! He was the founder of trolling! laughing
                  3. +5
                    23 November 2020 19: 13
                    Bravo, Viktor Nikolaevich!
                    1. +2
                      23 November 2020 20: 07
                      Bravo, Viktor Nikolaevich!

                      Oh you!!! am no - no plasma! stop There is no hope! drinks Prepare your stomach, Golden Knight ... wink
                      1. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 21
                        And why the stomach ... The stomach both accepted and returned. Through the esophagus ... By the Viking method!
                      2. +2
                        23 November 2020 20: 28
                        By the Viking Method!

                        And you say it! A shame! request
                        In this case, you still have to follow your own "greedy cubs method". wink And mix slowly! Well, have you seen how greedy cubs interfere with the solution? laughing
                  4. Alf
                    0
                    23 November 2020 20: 34
                    Quote: Undecim
                    Then you will have to hire a tutor to master the Japanese toilet.

                    And if you lose the remote control from it?
                2. +5
                  23 November 2020 14: 59
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  and the Internet for you, and a navigator, and a camera. You can't even take a picture in mine now - there is no place in my memory.

                  I haven't connected the Internet yet, I do everything from a regular computer. Here is a camera - yes: a real plus, but how people get their fingers on the right icon the first time is a mystery, however! laughing
                  1. +6
                    23 November 2020 15: 09
                    but how people hit the right icon the first time is a mystery

                    Here, however, it will not work out right - you have to train here! laughing
                3. +1
                  23 November 2020 22: 43
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  No, the penultimate one. wink Sergey - in line

                  Come on, scared! I have a v3 motorola, and I don't want to change it!
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  Mine finally broke down a month ago

                  I expect it systematically with a shudder ... belay Now they can hardly get a charge.

                  Likewise! One charge left, from the cigarette lighter! Now I load it in a car, often autonomously! Those. I'm at home, and the phone is in the car. I understand that I am archaism for young people ... but a smartphone is not a problem, I bought it for my wife and ... nothing complicated! BUT I DO NOT WANT!
                  1. +2
                    23 November 2020 22: 49
                    Come on, scared! I have a v3 motorola, and I don't want to change it!

                    Yes, you, Andrei, are the Patriarch! laughing drinks
                    there was one charge, from the cigarette lighter! Now I load it in a car, often autonomously! Those. I'm at home, and the phone is in the car.

                    In 2010, they broke a window in the "Logan" in order to pull out the sign from the radio ... what It was a shame! Therefore, I don’t leave things in the car. laughing
                    I understand that I am an archaism for young ... but a smartphone is not a problem, I bought it for my wife and ... nothing complicated! BUT I DO NOT WANT!

                    Exactly, exactly so! drinks
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                    2. +3
                      23 November 2020 23: 10
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Yes, you, Andrei, are the Patriarch! laughing

                      This is an exaggeration to say the least!
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      In 2010, they broke a window in the "Logan" in order to pull out the sign from the radio ... what It was a shame! Therefore, I don’t leave things in the car.

                      And I just hide it under harmless objects. And my car is under the window of a one-story house, and the whole village knows that I have an IL-59.
                      1. +2
                        24 November 2020 09: 09
                        And my car is under the window of a one-story house, and the whole village knows that I have an IL-59.

                        "With a kind word and a pistol, you will achieve much more than just a kind word ..." (Al Capone) laughing drinks
              2. +3
                23 November 2020 21: 13
                I have a push-button Philips E560. Now I'm looking on the Internet for any other push-button with the same functionality, but: "my pocket is empty, cabbage has grown" from my childhood a rhyme about an airplane
              3. +3
                23 November 2020 21: 34
                Quote: Mihaylov
                I am the last of the Mohicans with a push button.

                And on my buttons ...
                1. +1
                  23 November 2020 22: 50
                  And on my buttons ...

                  We are discussing models higher up the branch ... feel don’t want to insert five cents? wink
                2. 0
                  24 November 2020 13: 42
                  I have a slider and TEXT. I'm all going to "get" a spare SIM card on the slider, but I forget
    2. +6
      23 November 2020 19: 06
      "- Scolding will not make the cards good, and the wind will not be favorable.
      -Holy Father, is that from the Scriptures?
      -The Holy Father in Rome. No, this is from Kipling ... "(C)
      1. +3
        23 November 2020 20: 08
        "Night on the Goboto" Jack London.

        And where does the dialogue come from?
        1. +3
          23 November 2020 20: 26
          Bliiinn! Yes, London !!!
          O. Divov "Saboteur"
          Sorry for any inaccuracies, I quoted from memory.
  16. +10
    23 November 2020 13: 32
    Moreover, what is most interesting is that it was the Americans who, even before the Civil War, were the pioneers in the use of optical sights. They were installed, for example, on the famous "rifles from Kentucky" model 1812, from a distance of 165 m hitting a quadrangle with a side of 28 mm with five shots! Well, later they were often put on hunting, but so far not yet military weapons.
    They did not put them, Vyacheslav Olegovich, on Long rifle. They were equipped with a tube sight - a tubular sight, which is very similar to the first optical ones, but there are no lenses inside the tube, only a reticle. Combined with the globe sight, it is essentially the prototype of the modern diopter sight.
    Such scopes are produced for amateurs today.

    Such a rarity from Unertl costs 1200 dollars.
    1. +9
      23 November 2020 13: 33
      And such sights appeared in the XNUMXth century.
      Arquebusa, Italy, 1520. Caliber 14 mm.
  17. +4
    23 November 2020 13: 47
    "The soldiers of the Northerners and Southerners hated them fiercely" the same thing happened in the Second World War, the chief of staff told us about this. And on YouTube I saw about it
    1. BAI
      +3
      23 November 2020 14: 06
      the chief of staff told us about this.

      A woman in the army? Very worthy. There are many men who have escaped. Or civilian personnel?
  18. +8
    23 November 2020 14: 21
    To get into the regiment, the candidate fired 10 shots and from a distance of 200 yards had to put all the bullets in a circle with a diameter of 5 inches
    You are too demanding, Vyacheslav Olegovich. The target was actually 10 inches (http://www.berdansharpshooters.com/tactics.html)
    1. +8
      23 November 2020 14: 29
      The target was actually 10 inches

      I recall a well-known anecdote about "four trunks and the whole sky in parrots." laughing
  19. +5
    23 November 2020 15: 19
    Quote: Phil77
    Quote: Astra wild2
    USB, and I need a new one, I forgot the name, in short

    USB, what is newer? Cursing? That's who you women will understand ?????

    USB Type C. Similar to USB micro, but symmetrical without trapezoidal shape, fits either side. And OTG is different, it is the property of the USB connector of the smartphone to play the role of a hub (read flash drives, see other connected devices, for example, a keyboard). via a dedicated adapter with a full-size USB mother on the other end.
  20. +4
    23 November 2020 15: 25
    Mad Bill Hickok killed 36 Confederate officers in four hours. General McCulloch, horrified by such losses, ordered to find and destroy this sniper at any cost. And it all ended with the fact that Hickok was able to shoot this general himself, but, of course, the southerners failed to catch him!
    It seems like not officers, but just a soldier + a general. Although it's all kind of a legend. However, they surrounded him all his life, it was not for nothing that he was included in the Poker Hall of Fame in 1979. This cowboy had a very bright life.
    According to one legend, "Wild" Bill killed 36 Confederates and their General McCulloch at the Battle of P Ridge. Historians still argue about the veracity of this fact. Many of these stories were spread by Hickok himself while drinking in saloons.
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  22. +1
    24 November 2020 23: 15
    During the Battle of Gettysburg on July 1, 1863, a sniper of the federal forces with a well-aimed shot finished off the general of the southerners, John Reynolds, after which the Confederates retreated from their positions and even left the city!
    General Reynolds was one of the smartest and most talented generals in the federal army of the North, and it was he who, during the outbreak of the Battle of Gettysburg, appreciated the importance of the Seminar Ridge and organized its defense with suitable troops of the northerners. Apparently his actions laid the foundation for the victory of the North over the South at Gettysburg. Therefore, he died fighting against the Confederate southerners. There is no 100% certainty that he was killed by a sniper. Southerners reported that he was killed by a shell splinter, perhaps just during a firefight by an ordinary southerner infantryman. Reynolds tried to avoid fighting in the city so as not to subject it to destruction. After the creation of a defense along the Seminar ridge, he intended to withdraw the vanguard of the northerners to it and the surrender of Gettysburg was planned by him to the southerners at the time the battle began.

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