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In the US, the release of the F-35 is called a threat to the program to create a sixth generation fighter

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In the US, the release of the F-35 is called a threat to the program to create a sixth generation fighter

The further release of the fifth generation F-35 fighters is one of the threats to the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) sixth generation fighter program. Reported by the American edition of Breaking Defense.


According to Todd Harrison, defense and budget expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (USA), the further release of F-35 fighters could negatively affect the funding of the NGAD program. According to him, the US Air Force has not yet decided on the need to purchase a new generation fighter, continuing to spend money on fighters of previous generations. Based on the current financial situation, it is assumed that the budget for the NGAD program will be reduced.

But more importantly, it shows that the Air Force is still not fully communicating its procurement approach (within the NGAD) to Congress and why they need a sixth generation fighter right now while they are still ramping up their fighter purchases. fourth and fifth generations

- he said.

At the same time, a number of dignitaries "expressed concern" that funding for the NGAD program could undermine the Air Force's purchases of F-35 fighters "without tangible improvement in capabilities in the short and medium term."

In September of this year, Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Procurement, Technology and Logistics Will Roper said that the first prototype of a promising aircraft was developed and built in the United States under the NGAD program, intended for preliminary flight tests and development of basic technologies. According to him, this sample has already made its first flight.

Currently, the program is at the decision-making stage, the Air Force must choose the most successful of the proposed projects, ensure its further development and determine the required number of aircraft. One of the main issues remains the financing of the program in full.
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  1. paul3390
    paul3390 21 November 2020 13: 46
    +4
    Duc is right - the main loot from the F-35 program has already been cut, here's another - to bother with the release! Better to stir up the next program .. This is all the features of modern capitalism - making money out of thin air, excluding any kind of production. For hemorrhoids and troublesome it is to release something. This is not for you to use the former Soviet gas and oil for candy wrappers, this is the aerobatics of capitalism.
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 21 November 2020 14: 46
      +5
      It's not just a matter of money.
      Yes, I agree that the main money for the F-35 has already been received, a new order is needed to take the designers ... wink

      However, they really need a new plane. The penguin was not the ultimate master of the sky ... request
      It is in many ways inferior to the aircraft of the 4th generation, everyone knows this, although it surpasses them in some ways, especially in avionics.
      But when the F-15 and F-16 are withdrawn from the US Air Force, being left with only a massive Penguin and a few Raptors is a complete failure!

      Their strategic concept - "to dominate in all spaces" (all-domain dominance), which is frankly declarative and hardly realizable in modern conditions, requires a 6th generation aircraft now!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 November 2020 18: 18
        +4
        The F-35 was not planned as a replacement for the F-15 and the F-22.
        He replaced the F-16, F-18 and Harrier.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 15: 17
      0
      That's right, the cuts of hundreds of billions were invented, it turns out not at all with us, who would have thought, huh !?
  2. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 13: 50
    -1
    The NGAD (Air Force and Navy) are parallel to the F35 and do not interfere with each other. Aircraft are created for various tasks. They need to replace the F-15/22 and F / A-18E / F.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 November 2020 14: 15
      -2
      Here you are a thinking captain, so I answer ----- pro-in and it hurts --- OK-
      In the troops ... ah - ha - oh
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 15: 32
      -2
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      are parallel to F35 and do not influence each other. Aircraft are created for various tasks. They need to replace the F-15/22 and F / A-18E / F.


      Do you have any idea what heresy you are talking about? Well, yes, ideology does not allow us to recognize the obvious. The F-35, originally the JSF program, was conceived in order to reduce the cost of maintaining the park, etc., etc., USN and USAF. JSF and was supposed to replace the F-15, F-16, F / A-18, A-10. And it is also quite obvious that they eventually abandoned the concept of a fleet of a heavy fighter and a light fighter in zero, eventually stopping the construction and development of "heavy" F-22 fighters (takeoff weight of F-22 - 29 tons, F-35 - 25 tons ). A single type of F-35 tactical combat aircraft entered the scene in the Air Force, Navy and KMP versions. It is quite obvious that the reason is the prevailing monopoly of Lockheed Martin, which is quite obviously unsettling to competitors. This is where the constant information rush follows, aggravated by the fact that the Penguin has enough of his real jambs. Quite visible attempts of lured congressmen and senators to push through alternative programs.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        JSF and was supposed to replace both F-15, F-16, F / A-18, A-10

        You're lying.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_program

        This is the F-35 Lightning II, which will replace various tactical aircraft, including the US F-16, A-10, F / A-18A-D, AV-8B and British Harrier GR7, GR9s, and Tornado GR4.

        This is the F-35 Lightning II, which will replace a variety of tactical aircraft, including the American F-16, A-10, F / A-18A-D, AV-8B and the British Harrier GR7, GR9s and Tornado GR4.


        https://www.gao.gov/assets/600/591608.pdf

        Page 3
        The conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant will be an air-to-ground replacement for the Air Force's F-16 Falcon and the A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft, and will complement the F-22A Raptor. The STOVL variant will be a multi-role strike fighter to replace the Marine Corps' F / A-18C / D Hornet and AV-8B Harrier aircraft. The carrier-suitable variant (CV) will provide the Navy a multi-role, stealthy strike aircraft to complement the F / A-18 E / F Super Hornet.

        Conventional Take-off and Landing (CTOL) will replace the US Air Force F-16 Falcon and the A-10 Thunderbolt II air-to-ground aircraft and complement the F-22A Raptor. The STOVL variant will be a multi-role strike fighter that will replace the F / A-18C / D Hornet and AV-8B Harrier Marine aircraft. The Carrier Option (CV) will provide the Navy with a multi-role, stealthy strike aircraft in addition to the F / A-18 E / F Super Hornet.
        1. Perseverance
          Perseverance 21 November 2020 16: 07
          0
          [/ Quo
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Strike_Fighter_program

          The F-35, of course, does not change the F-15. But thanks to its performance characteristics, the F-35 may well take on part of the F-15 missions
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 16: 23
            +4
            Quote: Perseverance
            But thanks to its performance characteristics, the F-35 may well take on part of the F-15 missions

            Not really. These are different airplanes, created for different ideologies. Yes, of course, both of them can shoot down an aircraft and strike at sea and ground targets. But the F15 relies on speed, agility and payload, while the F35 relies on stealth, situational awareness and network centricity. They cannot replace each other, but they complement perfectly. The pros of one, the cons of the other.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 16: 42
          -2
          Only you are lying here. This is already an explanation after the fact, when the situation has developed that way ...
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 16: 45
            +1
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Only you are lying here.

            Prove it. I have provided a link to the official document. You are in your boggy.
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            This is already an explanation after the fact

            Prove it. Cite at least one official source where it says that JSF should replace the F-15/22 and F / A-18E / F.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 16: 46
              -3
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Prove it.


              Since when are we on you dear? Unlike you, I don't wallow in ditches. Behave appropriately
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 16: 51
                +2
                Since you lie and insult me. I spoke to you politely and reasonably, you start each post with insults against me. Now you're just openly lying. What respect do you deserve?
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 16: 54
                  -4
                  You are hysterical, so it's time for you to see a good doctor. He will help you. Injection of a sedative
                  And I do not offend you anywhere near. Who are you to offend you - the next Internet is nothing imagining itself a know-it-all. If you are usually lying, you should be stalled. And I don't care what feces you eat in your ditch. So clear?
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 16: 55
                    0
                    Do you have something to say about the JSF program, or will you also divert the topic from your bogo?
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 16: 56
                      -3
                      As for you, learn to communicate with your interlocutors and will undoubtedly continue ...
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 17: 04
                        +2
                        The drain is accepted. Continue to get out further, bolobol.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 November 2020 14: 02
    -3
    Is the printing press broken in the US? Well, I don't believe it ... tongue
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 21 November 2020 14: 08
    0
    Strange article. The prototype of the sixth generation will take off only in 10 years, and it will enter service in 25 years.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 21 November 2020 14: 14
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Strange article. The prototype of the sixth generation will take off only in 10 years, and it will enter service in 25 years.

      And money for R&D needs to be invested now ..........
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 21 November 2020 14: 22
      0
      The 5th Generation program is over 37 years old, the prototype of the F-22 took off 30 years ago. The next generation program started in the mid 10s. According to the Americans, the prototype of the "next generation" aircraft has already taken off, and in more than XNUMX years of development, it should have done so.
    3. fa2998
      fa2998 21 November 2020 20: 01
      +1
      I agree with the timing, but this is in Russia (if not shifted to the right). We would have to deal with 5 more. And the "probable enemy" I think in 5 years will roll out a new one, in 10 they will be brought to production.
  5. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 21 November 2020 14: 19
    -1
    what they don't have there, the same (Viktor Belenko) ... who will bring us this fu-35 wassat
    1. Asad
      Asad 21 November 2020 14: 40
      +3
      Probably because the headquarters will be able to turn off the F35 engine, along with the catapult!
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 15: 35
        0
        They are like that, they can return back ...
    2. eklmn
      eklmn 21 November 2020 17: 03
      0
      The Chinese stole (from the words of amers) the F-22 design and created the J-20.
      But to steal a structure is not to steal a technology for the production of materials or avionics.
      This site compares 3 aircraft at the same time - F-22, J-20 and Su-57. Very interesting ...!
      https://youtu.be/hfhmuhoIMWw?t=2
      1. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 21 November 2020 17: 33
        0
        The Chinese did not steal from the Amers ... These are the cries of the "exceptional" for whom the axiom is that if someone has created something modern, etc. it must have been stolen from them ...
        The Chinese J-20 is a clone of our Mig - 1.44. They began to develop it back in 1979 as a fifth generation heavy fighter, the project was closed in 2000.
        Apparently, the Chinese either bought it on the sly or stole it, hell knows, fine-tuned it a bit (smashed the engines in different directions for the missile compartment) and put it into production.
  6. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 15: 12
    -1
    And remind, the 6th generation should it differ fundamentally from the 5th?
    (5th from 4th stealth).
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 21 November 2020 15: 33
      0
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      And remind, the 6th generation should it differ fundamentally from the 5th?
      (5th from 4th stealth).

      The divisions are rather arbitrary. But most often the 6th from the 5th is distinguished by unmanned vehicles.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 21 November 2020 15: 37
      0
      And no one knows this because the same F-35 does not meet the criteria of the 5th generation put forward by the Americans.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 November 2020 15: 37
      +2
      Alexander Vorontsov - the difference in the amount of dough, which will need to be "divided as it should" within the notorious program of creating a 6th generation aircraft!
  7. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 21 November 2020 15: 56
    -1
    Complete bullshit. Inflated the usual questions about funding.
  8. deniso
    deniso 21 November 2020 16: 55
    -1
    The Americans have invented all these "generations" for the breeding of dogs. And the banal drank of the budget.
    The F-35 has never been proven to be more efficient than the F-15, for example. But nevertheless there is a reason to say - but this is the next generation - therefore it is stupidly more effective. :))))
  9. 123456789
    123456789 22 November 2020 12: 50
    0

    Quote: voyaka uh
    The F-35 was not planned as a replacement for the F-15 and the F-22.
    He replaced the F-16, F-18 and Harrier.