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Oppositionist from the former circle of the president: Putin confessed to ten defeats in Karabakh

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The Russian opposition used the armed conflict in the Transcaucasus for yet another "run over" on President Vladimir Putin. Thus, the well-known economist Andrei Illarionov, who was once close to the president, then became a zealous oppositionist, published in his "Live Journal" a sort of analysis of Putin's answers to media questions on the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.


Ten defeats of Putin, according to the opposition


According to Illarionov, Putin admitted to ten defeats in Karabakh. This, from the point of view of Illarionov, follows from the answers of the head of state to questions from the media. Thus, Vladimir Putin was unable to prevent the outbreak of the war in Karabakh, which demonstrated the loss of serious influence over the former Soviet republics. Secondly, he failed to stop the war when he already wanted to end the conflict, which indicates the same. Thirdly, the military actions themselves actually stopped not because of Putin's interference, but because of the surrender of Armenia - “Russia's ally,” from the point of view of Illarionov.

The former representative of the president's inner circle connects the fourth defeat with the recognition by Putin of the fact of military assistance to Armenia. The Russian president himself admitted that he supported Yerevan so that Armenia would not feel abandoned, deprived of assistance. But the fact of defeat demonstrated that Russian aid was either insufficient in volume or ineffective. The logic is amazing: Russia does not help - defeat, Russia helps - again defeat. Opposition circles, as it is now fashionable to say, "burn" ...

Illarionov finds evidence of Russia's defeat in the fact that the Minsk Group on Nagorno-Karabakh, including the United States, Russia and France, this time withdrew from the conflict resolution. And Putin, from a representative of great powers, allegedly turned into a "proofreader of Aliyev's text."

Putin's sixth defeat is the lack of recognition of any real status of Karabakh in the November 9 statement. The only politician voicing the status of Karabakh is Ilham Aliyev, who claims that this is the territory of Azerbaijan.

Illarionov saw the seventh defeat in the creation of a joint Russian-Turkish peacekeeping center to control the ceasefire. The involvement of a neighboring country acting as an open ally of one of the parties to the conflict as a peacekeeper is unprecedented. But Putin, having agreed with this, yielded to Turkey and Azerbaijan.


Aliyev has something to celebrate

An eighth defeat follows from the agreement on the peacekeeping center: Putin recognized Turkey's right to use its unmanned aerial vehicles as part of a peacekeeping mission.

Azerbaijan is an independent sovereign state. Azerbaijan has the right to choose its allies as it sees fit. Who can deny him this?

- Illarionov cites Putin's words as proof of the ninth defeat: Russia for the first time officially recognized that Azerbaijan is not its sphere of influence.

Finally, the tenth defeat - Putin's words that it is difficult to accuse Turkey of violating international law. Although, just in the Karabakh conflict, one could put forward very serious claims to Ankara's actions.

What Putin really said in vain


Illarionov's position deserves attention, if only because he tried to analyze the president's interview, albeit very emotionally. But can the current situation be called a defeat for Russia?

With the outbreak of a new war in Karabakh, Moscow found itself in a very difficult position. But, nevertheless, she managed to refrain from being involved in the conflict as one of the parties and ensure the presence of the Russian military in the region.

As for Putin's words about the sovereignty of Azerbaijan, how else could the head of state describe the neighboring independent country? To insult her by calling Russia a sphere of influence? Or recognize Baku as Ankara's satellite? Politics is such a thing that you shouldn't cling to words. Azerbaijan is truly an independent state with political sovereignty, a member of the UN.

The only thing that really causes misunderstanding in the president's words is his too soft assessment of Ankara's policy. Recep Erdogan has not been and will not be an ally or even a neutral partner of Russia. On some issues, Moscow and Ankara may come to a compromise and block, but one must understand: Turkey has certain geopolitical ambitions, and Ankara views the Transcaucasian region precisely as its sphere of influence. Turkey does not hide its claims to a special role in the life of the numerous Muslim and Turkic-speaking population not only in Central Asia and Transcaucasia, but also in Russia - the North Caucasus, Crimea, the Volga region and Siberia.

Trusting Turkey is not worth it, and even more so, to assess Erdogan's behavior from the standpoint of compliance with international law. In the Karabakh war, Turkey played an important and sinister role: without its support, Azerbaijan would hardly have behaved so confidently. And the fact that the Russian president actually tried to whitewash Turkey cannot but raise questions in this case. Predictably, Putin's critics immediately grabbed onto exactly these words of the president.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 November 2020 13: 23
    15
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 20 November 2020 13: 30
      11
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?

      Here the question is not in the parties to the conflict ... here is the question - Putin is "disassembled" and promoted .. The topics for this can be very different .. now Nagorno-Karabakh, before that there was Belarus, etc. ... I think it's time to surface again for Nord Stream and Power of Siberia.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 20 November 2020 13: 45
        31
        Another delirium from Illarionov.

        He is straight, like Prince Kurbsky, flirting in letters.
        1. credo
          credo 20 November 2020 14: 15
          22
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Another delirium from Illarionov.

          He is straight, like Prince Kurbsky, flirting in letters.

          There are courses in the Western education system that teach how to belittle and pervert any position of the opposing side. Since Putin is the opposite side for Illarionov, he is able to draw opposite conclusions from any speech of Putin to which Putin emphasized.
          This science is not as difficult as it seems, you just need to have the audacity and self-confidence in perverting any point of view that does not suit you.

          A good example of this position is conveyed in Tristan's advice from the Soviet film "Dog in the Manger":

          "... If you are too greedy for women,
          Look for flaws in charms.
          Everything will become much easier at once:
          The girl is slim, we say: power!

          We’ll call a smart girl an ugly
          We’ll declare a good one crazy.
          Affectionate - therefore, Velcro,
          Keeps himself strictly - means a bug.

          Call a flirty whore
          Let's say about a funny one - under the fly.
          Chubby - soon bursting with fat,
          We generously cross in the spender.

          Well, and thrifty? - We will baptize in a sklaguy!
          If small? - Growth with nevermind!
          If tall? - Then the big guy! ... "

          It seems that Illarionov decided to remind himself of himself and at the same time kick the former benefactor, so he pours poison on the fragile souls of Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Russians, playing them off on Putin.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 21 November 2020 00: 54
            +6
            Illarionov's position deserves attention

            His position deserves nothing.
            There is nowhere to put brands on it.
            Another Kozyrev.
            1. frruc
              frruc 22 November 2020 11: 08
              -1
              Illarionov - who is he? just yap, NOBODY and his name is NO.
        2. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 20 November 2020 14: 22
          +9
          In fact, Illarionov did not say the most important thing, that the current mentality is not sufficient for leadership anywhere, why everyone scatters, especially countries with a reviving mentality of their own. This is what the Americans secretly mean when they threaten Russia. Salvation lies in the transition to a new higher paradigm of existence, which the Russian authorities, as well as throughout the world, cannot find. Hence the internal opposition, albeit a rotten 5th column. Old ideas make old stories. And there is no new one. There was a Russian revival, a revolution, plans, ideas. Today, everyone chews their sausage on the sly and enjoys the stolen goods of civilization. And there are nations that will shoot. And they will shoot with new ideas.
          1. karima
            karima 20 November 2020 17: 52
            0
            Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
            Salvation in the transition to a new higher paradigm of existence
            How's that? Sunshine?
            1. Alexander Sosnitsky
              Alexander Sosnitsky 20 November 2020 18: 55
              +3
              If you don't have the best ideas, it's best not to share them. There is a concept of a national idea, try to formulate it for yourself. As time shows, all inhibitory ideologues end badly, Yanuca, Lukash, even Trump, etc. This is all serious
              1. karima
                karima 20 November 2020 20: 23
                -3
                Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
                There is a concept of a national idea
                Oh, the national idea, how am I underdone, you are one of these, it is clear. So how are you doing?
                It seems like a couple of hundred years, with the homespun already? What is the current stage?
                1. Alexander Sosnitsky
                  Alexander Sosnitsky 20 November 2020 20: 57
                  0
                  I am outside the nationality, but in the nation, like all of us. Read m-Leninism, This we have passed. And you probably not. So you will repeat past mistakes. However, above all of us, God who does not believe is nature. You can't fool them. The theory of passionarity. Read Gumilyov. The experience of 40 Eurasian ethnic groups, where you probably also came from. Or burn books as in Germany it was and what has become. If you are not in the nation, you are nobody and no one can call you. And nationality is a nice bonus, especially since everything is mixed now. Where nationality prevails, fascism is born, conceptually very close.
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 20 November 2020 22: 03
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
                    Where nationality prevails, fascism is born, conceptually very close.

                    Well, 50/50 for me. While we will be in wild capitalism. there will be no new ideas! From whom to expect them? Those who can implement them don’t care about them, they don’t drip over them without ideas, and those who can generate ideas have neither the mechanism nor the means for their implementation.
                    1. Alexander Sosnitsky
                      Alexander Sosnitsky 20 November 2020 23: 14
                      +2
                      Quite right. Capitalism is private property, and the state is the property of the entire people, the nation according to the definition, which is violated everywhere because the definition of the state follows from Roman law, which is gangster by definition and origin. As Churchill would say, paraphrasing "This is bad, very bad, but nothing better has been invented yet." And the actual power is in the hands of the people, who are being deceived by the supposedly legally elected authorities. It turns out a contradiction like "We have come to own you." The country turns out to be internally divided as well as externally divided, since the authorities are not responsible for their wars and regularly tries to rob neighboring states for the light of the military exploitation of their own and foreign peoples through nationalism and adjacent fascism. This is the intricacies of modern democracy. However, WW2 left everyone in despondency and the authorities were forced to switch to exploitation by progress, manipulating knowledge and motivation due to increased surplus value, which can be appropriated to everyone's pleasure in peacetime. What is honesty becomes invisible and incomprehensible in the conditions of increasing profit according to Marx - for 100% of the profit there is no such crime that cannot be committed. Here's the reason for problems like the coronavirus. Only God and natural selection can help out, which puts everyone in their place. And people have not yet found a formula for justice in the conditions of universal wealth: some drink it on drink (not a frightened, rich Russian woman), and the latter put it into action (a frightened, restless insatiable, temporarily successful God-chosen nation that does not even have a single nationality). I think the time will come to figure this out. But so far through regular crises (locomotives of history according to Marx), each of which corrects some next mistake of society, which are impersonal and seem to lead to a general catastrophe. But how to avoid it is the second series of being. Sorry that it was long and tedious.
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 21 November 2020 18: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
                        But how to avoid it is the second series of being. Sorry that it was long and tedious.

                        There is nothing to apologize for, colleague, an interesting point of view, interestingly presented. I support! good
                      2. Alexander Sosnitsky
                        Alexander Sosnitsky 21 November 2020 20: 43
                        0
                        Thank you, I am glad to a serious like-minded person. This should be a classic of our being .. Alex
                      3. Alexander Sosnitsky
                        Alexander Sosnitsky 21 November 2020 21: 13
                        0
                        PS By the way, it is interesting that the fairest higher system of social structure is the Slavic / Russian community, where they vote until complete unity is achieved, in contrast to the Anglo-Saxon one with a majority vote. However, it works at a high level of knowledge and social consciousness, which was apparently achieved at one time. Today it is inhibitory, but the transition to it is perhaps the only way to preserve the future civilization. In the meantime, we must emerge from under the devil. ...
                      4. businessv
                        businessv 21 November 2020 21: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
                        Today it is inhibitory, but the transition to it is perhaps the only way to preserve the future civilization. In the meantime, we must emerge from under the devil.
                        And again you are right! Both the Bible and the Vedas mention the era of worship of the golden calf, during the reign of the devil. Unfortunately, this did not pass us either. You mentioned WW2, and so it served us as an instrument of purification, but complete harmony would have been possible with faith in God, which the Bolsheviks tried to destroy, which later, among other things, also served to the collapse of the great country.
                      5. Alexander Sosnitsky
                        Alexander Sosnitsky 22 November 2020 11: 08
                        +1
                        You are a genius if there were more of you ... As a teacher, I like your independence and unpreparedness of thinking. It is these people, and you have this feature especially manifested, I am pleased. And as a scientist, I will say that you are even more right with WW2. If it were not for the Germans, who were set against Russia, the latter would still wear bast shoes. My mother and father told me, in the chronicles I see this shock, which moved Russia further. My theory of injustice. God is supposedly unjust because he allows suffering. But people cannot live without them, otherwise they will fall and disappear. God does not like swindlers as unrighteous, but even more stagnation, stopping the development and solution of God's task - the attainment of the state of higher Reason. Why China bummed because it was always hungry to death for the foreseeable future. Why is Russia invincible, because it stands on a plain and all the "winds" blow it. Why Ukraine is corrupt: because otherwise it is impossible to survive on the bunkers that wash everyone, the brave were all destroyed. And about God, I first formalized this concept as an object of scientific research and achieved publications in the Scopus editions. There my words turn into formulas and it is difficult for everyone from scientists to ordinary people to understand. But you have to.
                      6. phair
                        phair 27 November 2020 10: 15
                        0
                        "Everyone from scientists to ordinary people." Allah led your hand ... And he gave you the appropriate surname;) Would you walk uncle
                      7. Alexander Sosnitsky
                        Alexander Sosnitsky 27 November 2020 16: 39
                        0
                        Nothing is clear, especially where he went, what is the name. The phrase is not complete. Consider, first of all, it characterizes the speaker. And my surname is included in the 100 geniuses of Russia, study, young
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 20 November 2020 14: 43
    +1
    That's for sure ..... but I thought it reminds me of ... drinks
  • Machito
    Machito 20 November 2020 15: 21
    +2
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Another delirium from Illarionov.

    He is straight, like Prince Kurbsky, flirting in letters.

    In a sense, the end of the war in Karabakh can be considered a victory for Russia (albeit not unconditional): a peace treaty was signed in Moscow, the Russian peacekeeping continent was brought into the territory of Azerbaijan (deure Nagorno-Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan), Armenia lost its illusions about the help of the West, Russian peacekeepers and border guards control the corridors connecting the Armenian and Azerbaijani enclaves and exclaves with the metropolises, etc. How will Russia be able to take advantage of the fruits of the peace treaty in Moscow? It is obvious that the Russian Federation needs to strengthen its influence in the Transcaucasia, and more closely tie Turkey to itself in all formats (political, military, economic, etc.).
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 20 November 2020 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    Another delirium from Illarionov

    Hello !
    That is putting it mildly.
    Sometimes you wonder what mediocrities, though for a while, turn out to be "strong" of this world.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 21 November 2020 00: 20
    -1
    I never thought that I would need it ... But I read the correspondence between Grozny and Kurbsky. It's funny, I would understand in the historical forum, but here ... It's very good.
  • Mikhail Korotkov
    Mikhail Korotkov 21 November 2020 10: 48
    +1
    Indeed, in fact, the war stopped when Armenia accepted the conditions of Aliyev, who from the first days of the war said: let Armenia present a schedule for the withdrawal of troops from the occupied territories, I will immediately give an order to stop fighting. He said this every day, in all his interviews with foreign, including Russian, journalists, and he had more than 30 of them in a month.And on November 9, at around 20-21 o'clock, Pashinyan signed a Statement indicating the timing of the withdrawal of his troops. Russia has given a guarantee of the fulfillment of this schedule, and from 00h.00m. On November 10, ALIYEV stopped the war.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 November 2020 11: 17
      +1
      This is a showdown between the two countries ..... it is strange that the liberals did not clearly voice for whom they are ..... just as the West did not voice, In spite of the Armenian lobby.
      In my opinion, Azerbaijan did everything right as much as possible. And he paid for the lobbyists (both in the Russian Federation and in the West) and journalists with bloggers and took into account the Pashinyan factor and his relationship with the GDP.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 20 November 2020 16: 29
    +7
    Quote: Nasr
    Here the question is not in the parties to the conflict ... here is the question - Putin is "disassembled" and promoted.

    Here the question is in foreign policy, which the patriots put a lot of credit on to Putin .. But in fact there is a failure here too.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 20 November 2020 17: 43
      +1
      Yes, yes, Semin is still an expert, not much different from the same Illarionov wink
  • credo
    credo 20 November 2020 13: 31
    +1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?

    "... Eh, Andryusha, should we be in sorrow?
    Do not hide the accordion, play in every way.
    Press to make the mountains sparkle
    To make green gardens rustle.
    Sing Andryusha, so that in the middle of the night
    The wind rushed, pulling curls,
    Sing, play so that gentle eyes
    Without asking, they looked at you ... "
  • VORON538
    VORON538 20 November 2020 13: 35
    -1
    This opposition is always against

    And it is impossible to define uncertainty. They are simply always against Russia. hi
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 20 November 2020 13: 37
    13
    For Russia. Over these 30 years, Russian power has been destroying all the gains over the past 300 years. Apart from the annexation of the Crimea, it is impossible to put a single plus. The Baltics, Eastern Europe, Moldova, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia have already been lost, Belarus, Armenia, Central Asia are next. The economy is not growing, the quality of life is falling, social protection is not working, with the whole world at knives, we are selling everything for a pittance to the West and China. We have turned into suppliers of human and energy resources with a nuclear baton.

    Who can be happy with this?
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 20 November 2020 13: 42
      -6
      Everything from your list, except for Belarus, Ukraine and possibly Armenia, cannot but be lost. For nothing unites us with everyone else. There are no unifying factors.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 20 November 2020 13: 46
        19
        It is strange - under the tsars there were unifying factors, under Soviet rule - in bulk, but under Putin's RF they suddenly disappeared somewhere ...
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 20 November 2020 16: 13
          +9
          Paul hi,
          those who are raking off the country of Judah should have only one "factor of unity" - with the aspen.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 November 2020 19: 19
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          It is strange - under the tsars there were unifying factors, under Soviet rule - in bulk, but under Putin's RF they suddenly disappeared somewhere ...

          and who builds roads for us ???
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 20 November 2020 13: 47
        +4
        Quote: Pavel73
        There are no unifying factors.

        These factors appear and disappear. There are two main factors: military and economic strength. Almost everyone hates America and wants it to fall, almost no one talks about it openly. Everyone is afraid of sanctions and the power of the US Navy and Air Force.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 20 November 2020 15: 13
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Almost everyone hates America and wants it to fall

          How do you envision the consequences of America's fall? It is the US army that will become a big problem for the whole world, because they will not want a self-page from the world arena.
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 20 November 2020 15: 56
            -1
            Will the us army go to loot? So it will get rid of the local population without the patronage of the us government! the United States, and then let them fight ... if on their part of the planet who will need it. And then wherever you stick around the world, their American interests are everywhere ... And other states have no interests? Isn't that from the USA? their mug is about to crack!
        2. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 20 November 2020 23: 32
          -5
          No, not everyone is only afraid of America, but they also see in it some way out towards progress and existence, although it itself is falling. It somehow deliberately unites the world, and the USSR lost this rivalry due to the bomb planted by the Bolsheviks - only workers and labor peasants without the intelligentsia, which is the engine of progress. When this engine was turned off, the USSR collapsed. Remember the fight against genetics and cybernetics. This bomb was deliberately planted in the Union and worked according to the plan of coordinated external and internal enemies that still exist today. America is a big criminal who committed WW1 and WW2, destroyed Germany and Europe under her leadership, destroyed the USSR, but she has brains that are better than simplicity. Until the advantage of reason arises in Eurasia, nothing will shine for it in any way. And for this, you need to live at least 200-300 years without wars on your territory with the above ambitious national plans to break out above civilization.
          1. nnm
            nnm 21 November 2020 09: 13
            0
            Yes ... from Iraq to Libya, people in the United States saw a country of progress. And how she did not unite Afghanistan and Yugoslavia - there are no words. Not like this stupid, stupid scoop without the intelligentsia, who won the moon race for the school desk ...
            To break out above civilization is, excuse me, how?
            1. Alexander Sosnitsky
              Alexander Sosnitsky 21 November 2020 09: 51
              -2
              Not so simple. Any kind of criminal power, even the most proletarian and popular democratic, and so on, because such a person is an evil creature when hungry and when hungry it is stupid. We must look at ourselves objectively. Moreover, there are many different people in power. Well, let's destroy all of humanity, because it is sinful and criminal aggressive, it takes nuts from poor squirrels in the forest. Humanity is not ruled by classes. but the mind, but it is different for everyone. Do not think that everyone is criminal through and through, even criminals, they just did not have a worthy teacher and teachers should be judged. Yes, the United States is the leader of the underworld political world, like the whole of Western civilization. And what is the difference between the Slavs, but not a little bloodthirsty. And the Chinese, Hindus, Indians? Also. Throughout its history, the world has always fought with someone. This is the essence of homo sapiens. You just need to change the mentality. to pass n \ a new paradigm of existence. This is not Christ. They won't understand him. These are the best minds of humanity, humanity itself and their elites must come to a new social agreement. And it will. Because there is nowhere to go from the submarine. And if someone violates, they will be lost. This is the LAW OF NATURE. We do not install it and we do not change it. It seems like amateurishness, but that's the only thing that works. For past crimes, read Christ's gospel. Everything is written there.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 November 2020 20: 19
          0
          And the US Army, that is, their ground forces, it turns out, are not afraid?
    2. credo
      credo 20 November 2020 14: 03
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      For Russia. Over these 30 years, Russian power has been destroying all the gains over the past 300 years. Apart from the annexation of the Crimea, it is impossible to put a single plus. The Baltics, Eastern Europe, Moldova, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Georgia have already been lost, Belarus, Armenia, Central Asia are next. The economy is not growing, the quality of life is falling, social protection is not working, with the whole world at knives, we are selling everything for a pittance to the West and China. We have turned into suppliers of human and energy resources with a nuclear baton.

      Who can be happy with this?

      Why engage in demagoguery if there is nothing more to say?
      Your crocodiles are tears like a balm on the broad breasts of Illarionov, Navalny, Chirikova and other "patriots and guardians" of Russia who are very "worried" about the collapse of the USSR and its economy, the situation of the population and the environment.
      You will somehow decide when you write - either we are "... at knives with the whole world ...", and the world around us is so soft and fluffy, or "... we sell everything for a pittance to the West and China ..." , simply because we are still kind and trusting, and those around us are not.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 20 November 2020 15: 03
        +1
        The position of many people consists in the assertion that Russia should sit still and deal with the economy, and not interfere in affairs, because with such an economy, the leading powers simply ignore us. I think this position is crafty. First, who told them that the Russian economy is so helpless. IMHO, there are two economies in Russia - one economy of the Nabiullins and Grefs, in which an idol was made of the dollar, in which the sale of domestic energy resources is at the mercy of overseas and domestic financial tycoons - this economy is really weak, because it is the economy of the colony, hence the screeching that it is impossible to build an economy in isolation from the powers. that the world is interdependent. From this shameful economy, low pensions, income disparities and much more. But there is another economy, the economy of real affairs, in this economy we are building nuclear reactors, exporting grain, building icebreakers, producing competitive weapons, solar cells, invented a vaccine against covid, and before that against Ebola, and whoever we have the auto industry what did not say is not so shameful. This economy is quite decent for itself, at least not worse than the Turkish one. In addition, possession of a nuclear baton sometimes allows one to swing it, and this inspires respect, but another thing is that our leaders do not use it. But Erdogan, without a nuclear baton, with a still imperfect economy, holds his tail with a pistol, put Europe on cancer, from this Europe squeaks, even to the world hegemon he said, from whom I want, I buy from that. We would be so.
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 20 November 2020 14: 53
      +5
      Here's a question for you, is there a Russian government? Maybe she's not there, that's how it turns out. The people themselves are to blame, they did not come out and did not speak against when they destroyed their house, the country where they lived and is not trying now. We are a colony, what to do and how to live is determined by international bodies such as the IMF, WHO, etc., Russia is a subordinate structure. Why is the coronavirus at zero in China? Maybe because they don't listen to WHO.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 20 November 2020 16: 05
        -3
        And who said that the coronavirus in China is at zero?
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 20 November 2020 16: 49
          -1
          Open statistics and see. For today, for example, the number of people infected in the last day is 17 people, seventeen (not thousands, but simply seventeen). Yesterday it was 8. There are other methods, because they have been and are being used.
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 20 November 2020 17: 02
            -1
            There are 8 people for one and a half billion people? my family, including me, 37,5-37,0. my daughter was seriously ill last winter, many were ill, you will understand what else in the fall of 2018, since then her temperature has increased, my wife and I have transferred it, perhaps to Nobody has spoken about the crown yet. Was it ARVI? The Chinese who remained in the city still walk around with plexus pads on their faces, they are afraid of everything, every sneeze. Who told you that China did not classify its data?
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 20 November 2020 17: 16
              -1
              There methods are different and they are not new, an old proven method that has always worked and works. Tough quarantine when people stay at home and don't go anywhere. All patients appear in two weeks, they are isolated. Everything, everyone else is then free and there is no need to wear masks later or to classify something. We fulfill the requirements of the WHO, we breathe carbon dioxide and the exhaled infection in masks, but there is no sense because your eyes are open. And the virus will also enter your body through the mucous membrane of the eyes.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 21 November 2020 20: 32
                +1
                About masks. The Chinese used them extensively before any pandemics. Watch a video from the streets of Chinese cities two or three years ago. A significant part of the people are wearing masks. Anyone with a cold or flu must wear a mask. Plus, in many places, masks are worn when the environmental situation worsens: smog, dust storms, etc. Small food merchants must wear masks or shields. They are accustomed to them. Chinese students in our cities, at the slightest suspicion of flu or cold, began to wear masks.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 20 November 2020 18: 54
            +1
            "Yesterday was 8. There are other methods, because they have been and are still being used." There is only one most effective method that has worked with a bang before - a dense information fog for the outside world, so they have there and "8" infected a day in order for such suckers to behave like you.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 20 November 2020 19: 42
              -1
              "There is only one most effective method that worked with a bang before - a dense information fog for the outside world, so they have there and" 8 "infected a day in order for such suckers to behave like you."
              Then we would not have learned about the outbreak from there, or it would have looked insignificant right away. We have this fog of information. At the approaches to Wuhan, the roads were dug up with excavators so that no one entered or left, and this is a city larger than Moscow. There was a strict quarantine, the disease manifests itself two weeks after infection, quarantine isolated people from each other, those people who were infected were identified and isolated. This method has always worked, at all times, and now it is not even discussed.
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 21 November 2020 01: 16
                -2
                Well, well, quarantine, two weeks, digging ... And so, apparently, we have been ill with some nasty thing since last autumn at the border with China. And the borders were closed only this year.
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 21 November 2020 11: 58
                  -1
                  Do you understand that the virus may not be detected immediately, but when many people start to get sick or when it has vivid peculiar signs. The virus in China was also not immediately detected only in November, then it takes time to find out the nature of the disease, in February the foci of the disease in China were suppressed.
                  1. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 November 2020 12: 01
                    -1
                    I understand. Only I repeat once again: even before China announced the pandemic, we began to get sick. There was no diagnosis then, now if it is not accurate for money in a timely manner, but then everyone
                    wrote ARVI or flu, pneumonia. I see this because my daughter was ill. doctors could not say what it was, only since then her temperature has been mostly high. Many friends have had a sickness, a big, under 40 temperature, cough, medications, not about which, the child is 37-37,5, mine is 37, the wife is 37-38. And this continues to this day. Since last autumn, including in China. And the statistics are such ... statistics. You can write 8, you can write 108, or you can write 1800000. hiShould I believe the statistics or my life, what do you think I will believe?
                    1. Herman 4223
                      Herman 4223 21 November 2020 12: 07
                      -1
                      Do not like China see Vietnam.
                      https://regnum.ru/news/society/3112056.html
                    2. VORON538
                      VORON538 21 November 2020 12: 11
                      -4
                      I repeat once again, this is just the statistics provided by the state, any state. You can blindly believe, you can be skeptical.
                      The true state of affairs - who will say? Nobody.
                  2. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 November 2020 12: 09
                    -1
                    Viruses, they did not appear yesterday, and methods of dealing with them have long been worked out.
                  3. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 November 2020 12: 12
                    -1
                    Viruses tend to adapt and mutate
                    It's an endless struggle to survive
                  4. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 November 2020 12: 24
                    -1
                    And they are also mortal, they die at high temperatures, so the Russians who went to the baths were sick less often than Europeans, they have limited lifespans and therefore they constantly have to jump to a new victim, so to speak. The infected person will either cope with the disease or die. For the virus to die with it, a person must be isolated. This is how quarantine works.
                  5. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 November 2020 12: 32
                    -2
                    In Belarus, and in Sweden or Switzerland (one of the two, there was news) quarantine was abandoned ... not extinct. Timely diagnostics and affordable treatment is a way out. And when an ambulance can arrive not in 40 minutes (which seemed like a long time before) and in a couple of days ... then you will wait for the results for a couple of weeks, but if for money, that is, for a fee, then it is possible in 48 hours, and also CT for our own, yes, level. I think that we (the family) coped with viral infection, due to good immunity ... The consequences of the disease - who knows what they are, maybe an increased T one of them ... And someone was unlucky ...
                    PS: but I adore the bathhouse, and after the steam room, in the ice pool or in the snow ... right up to hedgehogs on the skin, an indescribable feeling! good
                  6. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 November 2020 12: 47
                    -1
                    Regarding Belarus, look at the mortality statistics for the last year and for this one month by month, there is a jump of about thirty percent somewhere. Why suddenly?
                  7. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 November 2020 13: 10
                    -1
                    A jump from what month? From what ... suddenly? Again statistics? Is it true? Have you personally checked? Can you believe? And that same Switzerland (Sweden, maybe, I won't say for sure, does not say anything)? And yes, I am already higher said about his attitude to all these statistics on diseases. I will not repeat again, because I see it is useless. hi
                  8. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 November 2020 13: 23
                    -1
                    We are talking about Sweden, there is a jump of 7%. In Belarus, the increase in mortality since February, look at the latest published data for June it seems. There is more than 40% growth. This is the official data.
                  9. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 November 2020 13: 33
                    -2
                    Official data cannot always be trusted, and there was no quarantine.
                  10. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 21 November 2020 21: 02
                    -1
                    That's exactly what they can embellish.
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 20 November 2020 23: 49
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    on this they have there and "8" infected a day in order that such suckers as you were led.

    Well, where did all this obscurantism come from? Has the Russian Orthodox Church dragged it in? Prayers instead of vaccines?

    In any textbook a hundred years ago, as it is written, since the Middle Ages it is well known that the only way to fight the epidemic is quarantine! They shut everyone down for two weeks, all the patients recovered (or died) and that's it !!

    But "not burdensome restrictions" are for people like you. Breathe now every other time, try to guess so that the virus flies past in the pause .. If you don't guess, it means you are to blame.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 21 November 2020 12: 11
      +1
      They will not understand that they are simply disposed of as unnecessary biomass.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 20 November 2020 13: 38
    0
    The opposition, it is the opposition, to be repugnant.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 12
      -11 qualifying.
      These are the very ones who say "fuu, prativny"? Well, it is clear with them, they live abroad and everyone worries about Russia. Like Pavlensky, Navalny, Illarionov, Latin, Hodor and many others
      But whoever really, really worries, he is in prison in Russia (sat), like Kvachkov, Platoshkin hi .Khodora do not drag in, served, released, pardoned and shits from abroad! hi
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 November 2020 18: 58
      0
      There are three striking signs of the Russian opposition - marking time, stinking in the information space and doing nothing in terms of physical labor.
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 20 November 2020 13: 38
    +3
    For Russia, but it is precisely the opposition that is against corruption, and I'm not talking about parties, but about honest people whose authorities are simply afraid and spread rot
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 16
      -3
      Illarionov and his ilk-FOR Russia? For which one? When did you manage? When Borisk lived happily ever after, as they drove away from the trough, they became ardent oppas. I'm talking about these! hi
  • bar
    bar 20 November 2020 13: 41
    +5
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is?

    The fundamental meaning of the opposition is that it does not for whom, against who... It is the common enemy that unites it. And her goal is to destroy this enemy. After achieving the goal, any oppositions begin to squabble among themselves and destroy each other. It is obvious that the Russian opposition has a common enemy, Putin. And everything they write and do is directed against him. Therefore, it is stupid to seriously discuss all these nonsense opposites.
    1. GRIGORIY76
      GRIGORIY76 20 November 2020 13: 47
      +3
      You just forgot to add that everyone who is against Putin is enemies.
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 18
      -4
      Platoshkin and Kvachkov will never unite with liberda from Hodor and Illarionov hi
  • paul3390
    paul3390 20 November 2020 13: 50
    +8
    And in this conflict, everyone is not very clear who they are. For Russia, both sides are equally unpleasant.
  • deniso
    deniso 20 November 2020 13: 53
    +1
    Did Russia really fight in Karabakh? What defeat is this downed pilot crowing about? Better to tell me how he sold my country for a penny, litter.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 November 2020 19: 02
      +1
      The author seems to have schizophrenia in the style of "I am connected with Putin" "I know what Putin thinks" "I represent Putin's strategy" "I guess and know Putin’s losses" and the rest in the same spirit.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 November 2020 14: 23
    +1
    There is no opposition. There are different factions.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 41
      -6
      Sorts of excrement, or rather
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 November 2020 19: 03
      +2
      "There are different factions." The main composition is fecal.
  • Kart
    Kart 20 November 2020 14: 30
    -7
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?

    She has long been determined - against Putin personally, against the government in Russia, and against Russia itself.
    One opposition, the white one, does not like what it is, unlike the West. The other opposition, red, doesn't like it at all.
    The authors of all these oppositions pursue, as it is easy to guess, the same goal - the destruction of Russia, only with different approaches to the heads of citizens.
    The white project did not pass - the idea of ​​joining the Western world (throwing off the regime naturally) discredited itself, people begin to beat the liberals in the face.
    So come on, on the other hand, use nostalgia for the USSR. Well, taking into account the fact that the REAL USSR is remembered less and less, a chimera is being actively created - the invented USSR, in which everything was fair, rivers flowed in the jelly banks and everything was given to everyone for free.
    Young people sometimes believe.
    And this topic is even more dangerous than the liberal project. At least it was possible to check and make sure that the liberal propagandists are lying - there it is, next to it abroad, go, look.
    And then there is no way to check it. They lie, referring to the Soviet press, or to the "facts" invented by the same people.
    Go check it out!
  • avg
    avg 20 November 2020 15: 11
    -3
    Putin's main mistake is to attract him to the state. cases of Illarionov and similar liberda.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 November 2020 16: 28
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?

    The opposition is traditionally not "for whom", but "against Putin." smile
  • Private89
    Private89 21 November 2020 10: 26
    -1
    The opposition itself can decide for whom it is? In this conflict?


    The opposition differs from the current rulers only in that it is not at the trough and cannot cut the loot with the same intensity as the current government. And in fact they are one class. And to cut the loot is the main ideology of "our" ruling get-together and the MAIN REASON for the lack of a coherent policy in the post-Soviet space, and even inside the country. Well, judge for yourself one part of the ruling party makes money on trade with Turkey, how can we go to conflict with the Turks, this is a loss of income !!! What are the interests of the state and even more so the people.

    As for the conflict itself, it is interesting and an ordinary Azerbaijani: a worker, a teacher, a doctor will live better after the annexation of Karabakh, something I have big doubts. Rather, Aliev and his entourage will live better. It is the same in Armenia: we have lost, we must have lost territories ... ordinary citizens should not wait for an increase in salaries, pensions, social benefits, all the funds for the restoration of the Palaces. on defense !!!
    While ordinary Azerbaijanis and Armenians kill each other, the bourgeois of Armenia and Azerbaijan, as well as ours, are sawing the loot. I wonder how many children of the elite of Armenia and Azerbaijan were sitting in the trenches on the front line next to ordinary soldiers ?!

    What are the conclusions: what is in Armenia, what is in Azerbaijan, what is there in Russia They are We. And if they are in power, we will not live humanly either in Armenia, or in Azerbaijan, or in Russia.
  • BAI
    BAI 20 November 2020 13: 28
    0
    First ......., tenth. And Putin is also to blame that there are mountains, that the sun rises, the sun sets, winter, spring, autumn, summer come, it rains, snows, the wind blows, etc. The list goes on. Something few flaws were found.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 20 November 2020 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      winter, spring, autumn, summer, it is raining, snowing, the wind is blowing, etc.

      yes
      In the crown pecked a crow?
      This is the special agent of the OMON.
      Bees, wasps sting you?
      This is Putin's Special Forces.
      See that bumblebee?
      He is in the service of the Kremlin!
      If you believe in that -
      This is just paranoia!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 November 2020 16: 29
        +1
        Quote: Dym71
        In the crown pecked a crow?
        This is the special agent of the OMON.
        Bees, wasps sting you?
        This is Putin's Special Forces.
        See that bumblebee?
        He is in the service of the Kremlin!
        If you believe in that -
        This is just paranoia!

    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 November 2020 13: 37
      11
      The federal president has a unique position, he is not responsible for anything. The troops themselves entered.
      1. Kart
        Kart 20 November 2020 14: 38
        -9
        This is only in virtual Russia, invented by fighters against the regime.
    3. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 13: 37
      -2
      About a cat with kittens is trite
      about a short genital organ frankly banned
      But they definitely know that Putin is to blame lol
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 20 November 2020 16: 09
        -6
        Judging by the cons, they are really shortened laughing
        Oh this Putin lol
        Already to blame for this lol
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 20 November 2020 13: 30
    0
    The reunification of Turkey and Azerbaijan has been brewing for a long time. The Azerbaijanis themselves consider themselves Turks, I know from the army. And therefore the outcome of this conflict was predetermined. The only question was how to divide Karabakh between Turks and Armenians. So there is a division. After all, Azerbaijan in fact only returned the territories captured by Armenia in the last war. And he stopped in front of a territory that was previously inhabited by Armenians and was called the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region.
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 20 November 2020 13: 42
      11
      There will not be any reunification - the principle is better to be the first guy in the village than the second guy in the city always works, but allied relations are another matter ...
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 20 November 2020 13: 55
        +7
        Quote: Petro_tut
        There will be no reunion

        It also seems that Aliyev and Israel are going to the gums without looking back at Turkey, only that petrodollars are not eternal, take them away and it will become more difficult to steer on their own.
        Quote: Petro_tut
        the principle is better to be the first guy in the village than the second in the city always works

        Closest example: Russia-Belarus
        1. bar
          bar 20 November 2020 14: 39
          0
          There will be no reunion

          It is also thought that Aliyev and Israel are poking into the gums

          It would be good if it were so. But Erdogan rushes like a bulldozer, it will be very difficult for Aliyev to resist him.
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 20 November 2020 14: 56
            +2
            Quote: bar
            It will be very difficult for Aliyev to resist him

            Now Aliyev is the light of the Azeri's eyes, he will be worn on his hands and looked into his mouth.
            Quote: bar
            Erdogan rushes like a bulldozer

            The main thing is that the Baku solarium does not end wassat
            1. bar
              bar 20 November 2020 15: 02
              +3
              Now Aliyev is the light of Azeri's eyes, he will be worn on his hands and looked into his mouth

              Not at all. Aliyev has many enemies in the Azerbaijani "ruling elite", whom the same Sultan feeds. And he started this "victorious war" precisely because he did not flee from his post. And after the victory, little will change for him. Now he will be accused of huge sacrifices, of betrayal that he made a deal with Russia and did not capture all of Karabakh. But you never know ...
              1. Dym71
                Dym71 20 November 2020 15: 18
                0
                Quote: bar
                Aliyev has many enemies in the Azerbaijani "ruling elite", whom the same Sultan feeds.

                The Sultan from the United States did not have a similar alignment, we will see who sits more firmly in the chair. hi
                1. bar
                  bar 20 November 2020 15: 23
                  +1
                  The Sultan from the United States did not have a similar alignment, we will see who sits more firmly in the chair.

                  The Sultan learned from the previous coup when half of the army had to be transplanted. It was not for nothing that he bought our S-400s, spitting on all the sanctions of the striped ones. I realized that you can't fight NATO planes with "patriots" laughing
    2. bar
      bar 20 November 2020 13: 52
      11
      The reunification of Turkey and Azerbaijan has been brewing for a long time. Azerbaijanis themselves consider themselves Turks

      If you read history, it turns out that Azerbaijan has never been under the Turks. The Azerbaijanis, along with the Persians, kept the border of the "Ottoman Empire" for themselves and gave the Turks a must. And all these tales about "the great Turan" are just legends and wet dreams of the Turks, such as "Poland from sea to sea". Moreover, Turkey and Azerbaijan have different religions, Shiites and Sunnis. In this sense, Azerbaijan is much closer to Iran. Iran is full of Azeri army generals. And the fact that Azerbaijani youth consider themselves Turks is the result of the sultan's powerful propaganda campaign with hanging cranberries about "two countries, one people"
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 20 November 2020 14: 14
        +3
        Maybe propaganda. But I mean 1991, when I served in the Soviet army.
        1. bar
          bar 20 November 2020 14: 20
          +5
          Azerbaijanis belong to the peoples of the Turkic language group, but this does not mean that they are Turks. For example, Russians and Poles also belong to the same language group, but they have never been just one people. And the religions we have with the Poles are different, like the Turks and the Azerbaijanis.
      2. avg
        avg 20 November 2020 15: 16
        0
        Quote: bar
        The Azerbaijanis, together with the Persians, kept the border of the "Ottoman Empire" for themselves and gave the Turks a must.

        Great Turan - But Pasaran! sad
    3. MrFox
      MrFox 20 November 2020 13: 53
      +3
      Azerbaijanis themselves consider themselves Turks, I know from the army

      This period has passed, full fraternization did not work out. Now it is mentally clearer and easier for Azerbaijanis to work with Russian people. More in common than with the Turks. And I don't want to play the role of a younger brother
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 20 November 2020 15: 06
        0
        Quote: MrFox
        Now it is mentally clearer and easier for Azerbaijanis to work with Russian people.

        Very doubtful statement
        Quote: MrFox
        More in common than with the Turks.

        If we talk about mentality, then this will never happen.
        Quote: MrFox
        And I don't want to play the role of a younger brother

        But this is a serious argument! hi
        Plus, at one time, Ukraine missed a chic option to become a connecting bridge between Russia and Europe, Aliyev has a similar option and I think he will not miss his chance, he will be able to ride on one trade, like cheese in butter, without looking back at oil quotes
    4. karima
      karima 20 November 2020 17: 56
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      The reunification of Turkey and Azerbaijan has been brewing for a long time.
      Is Iran next in line there?
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 November 2020 20: 46
      0
      Everything is complicated there. In the Soviet period, there were Azerbaijani settlements in NKAO, but at the same time, districts and village councils with a predominantly Armenian population bordered on NKAO, but were not part of it.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 November 2020 13: 30
    +4
    Power, opposition to power, and there is still a people to whom both the power and the opposition are in opposition. It is really interesting to understand why Mr. President loves the Turks so much.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 20 November 2020 13: 34
      +4
      This is not love. It is a search for the peaceful coexistence of two disintegrated empires and two divided peoples.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 November 2020 13: 39
        +8
        Quote: Pavel73
        This is not love. It is a search for the peaceful coexistence of two disintegrated empires and two divided peoples.

        Only one empire is building, and the other continues to destroy .. there will never be a peaceful existence with the weak .. he will be eaten ..
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 20 November 2020 13: 47
          -6
          They will not eat it. If he is strong not only with his teeth, but also with his mind. Take Azerbaijan. Like we lost influence there. Did it ever exist? If a part of the former Ottoman Empire became one of the Soviet republics, this does not mean that we have any influence there.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 21 November 2020 20: 49
            0
            Azerbaijan was part of the Iranian Empire before joining the Russian Empire.
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 25
      -1
      And if you dig deeper, then both those and those did not come from Mars, but also from the people
      just at some point some were more fortunate
      And here the hard-hitting fact is revealed
      But as they say, every nation deserves its own government
      You cannot erase words from the song, they are all someone's classmates, neighbors (albeit former), colleagues and so on
      I sometimes project the behavior of the leadership of our small team onto the leadership of the state, the statements of my colleagues about how they would act if they were in the place of leadership, I see how people change when they receive a promotion. It's all the same. So blaming one person is nonsense. .And the oppas just want to take a kosher spot at the trough. hi
  • Elephant12
    Elephant12 20 November 2020 13: 33
    +1
    I think ours behaved well in this conflict. The helicopter is just a pity
    In domestic politics, I want so
  • Silinvv
    Silinvv 20 November 2020 13: 34
    -7
    Frankly speaking, some kind of porridge. I didn't understand a word! In my opinion, the devil knows how much money has again been spent on foreigners, instead of raising pensions to pensioners.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 20 November 2020 14: 28
      -4
      You can also cancel the New Year's fireworks and distribute money to those in need.
      This is from the same opera crying caring oppos about the poor hi
      And only no Hodor or Illarionov demands the nationalization of industry
      Their goal is to squeeze all this into their own hands, and not return to the state!
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 21 November 2020 20: 59
        0
        I am an ordinary person, but also against the total nationalization of industry. It seems to me that the state needs to control, in whole or in part, several key industries, somewhere between 30-40% of the total production. Total nationalization, nationalization of the entire industry is not needed. There should be a diversified economy with state non-profit, state-owned commercial, cooperative, large private equity sectors. Plus small and medium-sized businesses, both in joint stock form and in the form of individual ownership. Plus people's enterprises. And various kinds of mixed joint stock companies with the participation of the state and the private sector, with the involvement of citizens' funds.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 November 2020 13: 34
    -2
    Who knows what Aliyev has under his ass, what kind of device is understandable. And he is driving himself?
    1. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 20 November 2020 13: 39
      +5
      What? Shouldn't you be driving? On the contrary, well done, that he himself is behind the wheel. And not good, that under the Turk caved in.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 20 November 2020 13: 59
        +5
        Quote: Redfox3k
        And not good, that under the Turk caved in.

        Did not bend, but competently used the available resource
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 20 November 2020 13: 35
    -3
    The opposition, as always, crawls out of its skin to at least somehow infringe on the Russian government and Putin. I carefully studied the "charges". ReallyI suppose they should NOT be considered: they are all just absurd.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 20 November 2020 13: 49
      +6
      at least in something to infringe on the Russian government and Putin.

      It is difficult to pry in a situation where there is already no place to put brands for a long time ..))
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 20 November 2020 13: 37
    +1
    The Caucasian Knot will create problems for the Russian Federation for a very long time
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 November 2020 17: 08
      +2
      Putin only creates problems there, but does not fundamentally solve them. Agreement on Karabakh for 5 years, and then what? Also in Chechnya, while Kadyrov for Putin and Russia finances Chechnya, everything is quiet, and another leader will come there or Russia will cut their funding, what will happen? Also in Donbass, the situation is frozen, but Ukraine can repeat the Azarbaidzhan experience. Is the end of the war visible in Syria? All these problems were tied up by Putin and postponed their solution for later. Who will finally solve these problems? It is already clear that it is not Putin.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 20 November 2020 13: 40
    +4
    Illarionov's position deserves attention if only because

    Yes, he ran out of loot, they don’t call for bread jobs, don’t throw grants, so he decided to revive himself with the help of sophisticated conclusions, the price of which is a penny on a market day.
    Otherwise, I cannot assess this situation - he has long been a "downed pilot".
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 20 November 2020 13: 43
    -2
    Illarionov, in general, went. There is no point in paying attention to his words. And one should certainly not pass off his nonsense as "the opinion of the opposition."
    1. Liam
      Liam 20 November 2020 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      Illarionov, in general, went. There is no point in paying attention to his words. And one should certainly not pass off his nonsense as "the opinion of the opposition."

      And as a matter of fact, there is nothing special to argue with them?
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 20 November 2020 15: 34
        -2
        It makes no sense to read the words of the traveler, nor to contradict them. But if you find meaning in them, this is a reason to think.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 20 November 2020 13: 47
    +7
    I went through the points ..
    It's hard to see where this Illarionov is completely wrong ..
    It is clear that at the word "oppositionist" many Dazraputs begin to burn out .. But it is unlikely that any opposition is to blame for all these points ..
    For more than 20 years, we have had the irremovability of power ... and only it has all control ... So, on any issue, claims can only be against the Kremlin ..
  • kriten
    kriten 20 November 2020 13: 49
    -5
    What happens to people? When he was an advisor, they thought he was very smart. In fact, the mind is like that of the Chukchi: I sing what I see, not what it really is!
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 November 2020 17: 12
      -1
      Illarionov was kicked out of the Kremlin, because he did not want to steal, as he did not want to do everything, so he did not fit into the "organized criminal group".
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 November 2020 13: 53
    +1
    The stump is clear! All the correct media are already writing massive articles about the next re .. victory of Russia and Putin.
    And then some kind of former Putin, wrote something wrong ...

    You can virtually beat him and once again tell about the victory of the President.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 November 2020 13: 55
    -1
    I have never had respect for the opinions of defectors and traitors. They are all scum.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 20 November 2020 17: 14
      -3
      And if a person escaped from a gang of murderers and thieves? Is he a traitor-deserter too?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 21 November 2020 09: 16
        -1
        Regarding the gang, of course, he betrayed them. In life, in general, everything is relative.
        And above all, it was not necessary to get into this gang.
  • deniso
    deniso 20 November 2020 13: 56
    -2

    Who won, or lost, or a reasonable compromise was or will be reached (including for Putin, and not some kind of cosmic victory for him), time will tell, the situation is contradictory, rather rapidly changing, and Illarionov is driven by a feeling of petty vengefulness, with a rich oriental fantasy with broad strokes paints a picture of cosmic defeat. Reading his opuses suggested that to what extent he succeeded himself, he unrolled such a footcloth here, and here 10 as a type of template reminds 10 Stalin's blows, such an expert graphomania, graphomaniacs are also fruitful in a sense.
  • faiver
    faiver 20 November 2020 14: 04
    0
    It’s hard to blame me for love and respect for the GDP, but Senor Illarionov, since he’s an economist, it’s better to be engaged in economics ... hi
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 20 November 2020 14: 36
      +7
      In a situation where the KGB-shniki refused to do their own thing - why can't some economist go the same way ..))
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 November 2020 14: 04
    -1
    Illarionov is someone who is worthy in a good way, so oblivion, and not the search for pearls in his excrement.
    In a bad way, so for the neck and the exhibit: "Don't be like that!"
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 20 November 2020 14: 11
    +5
    The now deceased teacher of the German language, Anna Grigorievna, with whom Illarionov studied, told me that Illarionov was a void. Indeed, if Putin did the opposite of what Andryusha Andryushin reproaches him for, the reprimand would be just as harsh. Suppose that Putin quarreled with Turkey and Azerbaijan and pounced on Baku with all the ugly force, Andryusha would shout that Azerbaijan is an independent state, and Turkey is a NATO member, which, if desired, would grind the RF Armed Forces into powder. Hence the conclusion of Andryusha - this is Piggy against, but worse. Because Piggies at least benefited by fighting with goods with an expired shelf life, and what is the use of Andryusha, why do we need Andryusha and others like him in the national economy? I am in a difficult situation, on the one hand from "my bell tower" it seems to me that a lot in Russia is being done wrong. They object to me that politics is the art of the possible. So from my stupid positions I want the "possible" to be more, and this is the difference between my position and the Illarionovs, who just want to remind about themselves and if they manage to cut the dough on the basis of their opposition, but give little. That's how it seemed to me sensible things I read at Platoshkin, but he is clearly not dangerous to the authorities, because he is too hot-tempered, swears with allies, and this is impossible in politics. So why does the government keep him in his home zindan? but the process does not start against him? He cannot create a party, therefore he is not dangerous for the authorities.
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 20 November 2020 14: 28
    10
    The Sultan showed everything. Whoever has the idea is right. And if the idea is a mansion in London, then the result is appropriate.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 November 2020 14: 37
      11
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      The Sultan showed everything. Whoever has the idea is right. And if the idea is a mansion in London, then the result is appropriate.

      Very accurate! There must be an idea that determines the vector of development. And our nouveau riche have only one idea, to buy real estate over the hill, and to equip the kids there, hence the results ... more precisely, their absence.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 20 November 2020 16: 02
        +6
        Vladimir hi,
        Soon the "grandfather" will have one idea - to eat and replace the diaper.
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 20 November 2020 15: 02
    -1
    Illarionov, of course, is a traitor and a saboteur, but for some reason I thought that despite the brilliant knight's move in the endgame, our president would still send a dozen military leaders to more than a well-deserved rest.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 20 November 2020 16: 14
      +3
      Yeah, a brilliant move)) .. begged for the back step of the departing train, so as not to lose face at all. How to send someone to rest in such conditions, all the secret will immediately become apparent ... or rather, it would be more difficult to pass off one's own geo.failure as a “brilliant knight's move in the endgame,” and many people bought into this bullshit. And how not to buy when all irons are processed ..
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 20 November 2020 16: 25
        0
        Quote: Pilot
        ,, brilliant knight move in the endgame ,,

        For this move, Aliyev and Erdogan give a standing ovation. The dream of any ruler of Istanbul to break through to the Caspian Sea has come true. Karabakh and 2000 of our soldiers will be held hostage as long as there is a corridor to Nakhichevan. And all this is done by the Russian Tsar himself, forcing his subjects to fulfill the desire of the Sultans. Brilliant, no words.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 20 November 2020 16: 53
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The dream of any ruler of Istanbul to break through to the Caspian Sea has come true.


          As a result of this war, Erdogan's access to the Caspian Sea remained the same as before. Even if he really dreamed of this exit.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 20 November 2020 16: 04
    +3
    The bunker should be aired more often, so that confessions are not drawn ... to the Court.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 November 2020 16: 18
    +4
    You shouldn't trust Turkey,
    ... I wrote about this more than once .. and received cons .. laughing
  • hermit
    hermit 20 November 2020 20: 01
    -2
    Quote: avg
    Putin's main mistake is to attract him to the state. cases of Illarionov and similar liberda.

    Putin's main mistake is to involve Putin in state affairs.
  • flicker
    flicker 20 November 2020 23: 44
    +2
    Why pull out his opinion?
    The opinions of Shenderovich, Makarevich and other Albats should also be cited.
    What to be shy about?
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 21 November 2020 04: 11
    0
    And what is a victory, or a defeat ...?, With all the ambiguity of the Guarantor, his opponents and opponents, especially liberal ones, evoke much more negative emotions, against the background of these "oppositionists" - the President is perfection itself, and are they oppositionists ?
  • Egor53
    Egor53 21 November 2020 04: 37
    +2
    Illarionov is a typical pro-American slut. And the fact that he rages is good, so we did everything right.
    Putin could not prevent the start of this conflict, and it was not in Russia's interests to prevent it.
    Everything that Putin did was done exclusively in the interests of Russia. And then, when the hostilities were stopped, and the fact that Turkey was not allowed into the peacekeepers.
    Russia supplied weapons to both Azerbaijan and Armenia. Azerbaijan was supplied for $ 5 billion, for which they paid in full. Armenia for 0,2 billion dollars, and then, on credit. The fact that Armenia was supplied with weapons on credit is really a mistake.
    Armenia lost the war, so this is only a plus for Russia.
  • kig
    kig 21 November 2020 06: 37
    +1
    And what, our President is already infallible? Just by definition? At least half of the blame looks well deserved.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 21 November 2020 07: 07
    +2
    I read the points listed by the "positioner" ...
    Yes, half of them are far-fetched, and the logic of the rest, at least at the level of a far from smart person!
    These fighters against the regime have longed for victories over Putin so much that they can no longer really wait, take their finger with a dirty fingernail and lustfully suck out of it, zrada, override and just such a "grief" for the analyst!
  • oracul
    oracul 21 November 2020 07: 31
    +1
    They found a "well-known" economist, whose essence is the same - a traitor not only to Putin, but to Russia. It is a lot of honor to post Judah's notes. Don't touch ....... it won't amber.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 November 2020 09: 32
    +1
    Thus, the famous economist Andrei Illarionov, who was once

    Who knows it, how is it known, etc.
    In general, as a seed for everything that follows.
    The authorities and the upper ones have something to criticize, but not in the same way ...
  • Mikhail Korotkov
    Mikhail Korotkov 21 November 2020 10: 44
    0
    Illarionov is right in many ways. Indeed, in fact, the war stopped when Armenia accepted the conditions of Aliyev, who from the first days of the war said: let Armenia present a schedule for the withdrawal of troops from the occupied territories, I will immediately give an order to stop fighting. He said this every day, in all his interviews with foreign, including Russian, journalists, and he had more than 30 of them in a month.And on November 9, at about 20-21 o'clock, Pashinyan signed a Statement indicating the timing of the withdrawal of his troops. Russia has given a guarantee of the fulfillment of this schedule, and from 00h.00m. On November 10, ALIYEV stopped the war.
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 21 November 2020 12: 44
    0
    The overwhelming majority of Russians related to this war - so get all of you out of here and kill each other there, if you really want to. So Putin just expressed the interests of the people
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 November 2020 12: 51
    0
    With such a "advisor" no enemies are needed.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 21 November 2020 14: 17
    +1
    ... According to Illarionov, Putin admitted to ten defeats in Karabakh ...

    And undoubtedly the most important defeat of Putin, which he did not appreciate, and failed to keep in his advisors such a clever, astute, most talented expert in the world - Illarionov ... Now there is no one to advise what to do next ...
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 22 November 2020 01: 16
    0
    Well, in spite of the Larionovs, whatever one may say in this war, we looked indistinct!
    Our position was uncertain, to put it mildly! On the one hand, we allegedly wanted to punish Pashinyan for his love relationship with Soros!
    On the other hand, Armenia is a member of the CSTO and our base is on its territory! While Aliyev is supported by our sinister enemy from NATO!
    On the one hand, we somehow help Armenia with weapons, if it's true! And it seems so! On the other hand, we want to punish Pashinyan!
    Contradictory !!! To put it mildly! From the outside it may well be the opinion that a military alliance with Russia does not guarantee anything! That Russia will help indistinctly and that its weapons are powerless!
    What does it mean? They will not want to have alliances with us in the future, since we, as an ally, are about nothing ... And 2e: our weapon is not about anything !!! Especially air defense! Armor - shit, C 300 - bullshit! This is how it looks from the outside! I don't want to offend anyone! I myself have a different opinion! But this is how you can interpret everything and, of course, the propaganda of the West will present everything in this way! And most importantly, we ourselves did not do anything to turn it over on our back!
    Of course, I'm not talking about direct intervention in the conflict, but it was necessary to use it to finally bend the Turks after a slap in the face in Syria!
    The worst thing is that perhaps we wanted it, but could not and the whole world now knows it!
    That our weapons cannot fight remotely controlled plastic corn-workers !!!!
    [i] [/ i]
    As for the victory of our super diplomacy, which won the peacekeepers, I already wrote about the dubiousness of such a victory! First, the Turks will enter Karabakh and Aliyev will let them go there, as he owes them his victory completely - here the author of the article is completely right! This means that our diplomacy failed to keep NATO out of its underbelly! Secondly, the peacekeepers themselves will be completely surrounded by the enemy, which in a conflict situation will definitely lead to their complete loss! And 2000 people is not a little by today's army standards! So the tactical disposition of our troops is, to put it mildly, unfortunate! It will be costly and dangerous to supply them along the Lachin corridor! Today there was an excellent article on VO about possible provocations and detonations of remote bombs !!!!
    And of course it should be understood that anything can happen in Armenia itself! FROM the murder of Pashinyan and the seizure of power by radicals who will demand to remove our base in Gyumri and of course the peacekeepers! After all, they consider Russia a traitor! Until Pashinyan refuses our services and attracts Americans as the most reliable partners! For our position, as I said, was indistinct! The impression is that either our intelligence missed this war and we did not develop any clear attitude towards it! Or something that I do not understand due to lack of information! In any case, the head of intelligence should be responsible for the failure if it was allowed!
    And, of course, it’s very weak to refer to international law when he himself many times asserted its worthlessness and double standards !!!
  • Bessik
    Bessik 22 November 2020 11: 39
    0
    So Ilariona is a frequent guest of the Ukrainian channel on YouTube, where he pours like a bucket on Russia and also a friend of Gordon, they are both fabulous ...
  • ENOTE
    ENOTE 22 November 2020 11: 39
    0
    We found whose opinion to voice! There is nowhere to stamp on this type. Why is he better than Poo?
  • Suleyman
    Suleyman 24 November 2020 11: 51
    -1
    [/ quote] Turkey played an important and sinister role: without its support, Azerbaijan would hardly have behaved so confidently. [Quote]

    ... and without the support of Russia, Armenia ..
  • Alkatrass A
    Alkatrass A 24 November 2020 13: 06
    0
    Russia is a military ally of Armenia. At the same time, Russia is a mediator in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement, which does not give Russia the opportunity, both formally and in fact, to directly use its allied obligations to Armenia. This has become a very heavy burden for Russia and has revealed many problems.
    But now, to all its other problems in terms of allied relations, Russia has added one more problem. In addition to the unbearably heavy burden of alliance with the Armenians and active mediation in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement, generous Russia has also shouldered the peacekeeping responsibilities in the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement.
    Straight some sort of trouble. If mediation prevented Russia from fulfilling its allied obligations to Armenia, then the duties of a peacekeeper in the conflict zone further complicate the fulfillment of allied obligations, if, for example, the Ivory Coast makes claims to the Ararat valley.
    We all understand perfectly well that Russia will instantly fulfill its allied obligations if Armenia is subjected to aggression by alien states, and then if the alien attack on Armenia is actually proven by the relevant commission.
    By the way. What happened to the commission to identify the facts of the attack on Armenia, which was created a month ago after the attacks on Gegharkunik and Syunik? Is the commission still in the sobering-up center?