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Find an aircraft carrier: a view from the stratosphere

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В previous material we considered the problem of searching for aircraft carrier and naval strike groups (AUG and KUG), as well as targeting missile weapons at them with the help of space reconnaissance means. The development of orbital constellations of reconnaissance and communications satellites is of strategic importance for ensuring the security of the state, however, the detection of aircraft carrier and naval strike groups (AUG and KUG) and the guidance of anti-ship missiles (ASM) at them can also be effectively carried out by other means. In this article, we will consider promising stratospheric complexes that can be used to solve these problems.


Atmospheric satellites - stratospheric unmanned airships


Article Revival of airships. Airships as an important part of the armed forces of the XXI century we considered the possible directions of using airships on the battlefield. One of the most effective ways to use them is to create reconnaissance airships with colossal autonomy and field of view.

An example is the Russian project of the unmanned airship "Berkut", designed to operate at altitudes of about 20-23 kilometers for six months. The long duration of the flight must be ensured due to the lack of a crew and a power supply system powered by solar panels. The main supposed tasks of the Berkut airship are to provide relay communications and high-altitude reconnaissance, including the detection and identification of land and sea objects.


The concept of the airship Berkut.

The mass of reconnaissance equipment that can be placed on the Berkut airship is 1 kilograms, the installed equipment is supplied with power. The airship can maintain a given position similar to a geostationary satellite. At an altitude of 200 kilometers, the radio horizon is about 20-600 kilometers, the surveyed surface area is over a million square kilometers, which is comparable to the area of ​​the territory of Germany and France combined. Modern radar stations (radars) with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) can provide a detection range for large surface targets at a distance of about 750-500 kilometers.

Find an aircraft carrier: a view from the stratosphere
The performance characteristics of the unmanned airship "Berkut".

Airships can go higher. Their operation at an altitude of about 30 kilometers can be practically guaranteed, and the achieved height of the meteorological balloons is up to 50 kilometers.

In 2005, the US Armed Forces announced the opening of a program for the construction of super-high military balloons and airships, which will have to operate practically at the lower boundary of space. In the same year, the Advanced Defense Research Agency DARPA carried out preliminary work to shape the appearance of a reconnaissance balloon capable of operating at an altitude of about 80 km.

What tasks can be assigned to high-altitude unmanned airships?


First of all, this is the control of the state borders of Russia, including the sea. High-altitude airships for long-range radar detection (AWACS) can detect low-flying cruise missiles and issue target designation to them aviation and anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM), which is impossible for stationary over-the-horizon radars (ZGRLS). With regard to the control of water areas, unmanned airships can detect the periscopes of submarines, naval aviation, single surface ships, AUG and KUG.

Another option could be the deployment of unmanned AWACS airships "in neutral waters" - in key points of the world's oceans and / or in the visibility zone of enemy naval bases. Maintenance of such airships can be carried out by specialized vessels or on the territory of friendly / neutral countries.

Potentially unmanned airships can accompany the AUG immediately after the aircraft carrier leaves the sea. Certain airships can be assigned dedicated control regions, in which they must escort "their" AUG / KUG, transferring them at certain points to airships of the next region.

Of course, bulky airships are a rather vulnerable target for enemy aircraft, but there are several nuances: firstly, when located within the state border and at a short distance from it, the safety of unmanned airships can be ensured by the aviation of the Air Force (Air Force), while we we will provide surface control at a distance of about 600-800 kilometers from the state border.


Only three unmanned high-altitude airship AWACS can control almost the entire Sea of ​​Japan, completely control the entrance to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. It is unlikely that the United States will be able to repeat the covert deployment of AUG off the coast of Kamchatka, as they did in 1982 (this operation is described in the article by Alexander Timokhin Sea warfare for beginners. We bring the aircraft carrier "to strike"), if high-altitude unmanned airships AWACS appear in the arsenal of the Russian Federation.

Secondly, the ability to provide tracking from a distance of about 500-600 kilometers will significantly complicate the work of enemy carrier-based aviation, since either the organization of continuous duty of fighters in the zone of destruction of the airship by air-to-air missiles will be required, which in turn will lead to accelerated wear of the resource of aircraft engines and additional the cost of flight time, or the fighters will have to be sent directly into the threatened period, in which case the airship can leave the affected area, even taking into account its low speed.

Thirdly, in the event of a real conflict, when the AUG is in the visibility zone of the reconnaissance airship and in the range of anti-ship missiles launched from SSGNs, fighters from the aircraft carrier can destroy the unmanned airship, but they will have nowhere to return. And such an exchange can be considered quite acceptable.

If the operating height of unmanned airships increases to 30-40 kilometers, then it will become even more difficult to shoot them down, and the viewing range of onboard reconnaissance means will increase significantly.

Atmospheric satellites - high-altitude electric UAVs


High-altitude unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) with a long flight duration will become an addition to stratospheric airships. It is assumed that stratospheric UAVs powered by electric motors powered by batteries and solar panels will be able to stay in the air for months or even years.

Judging by the number of projects, stratospheric UAVs are an extremely promising direction. First of all, they are considered as an alternative to satellites for the deployment of communication systems (for both civil and military applications), as well as for surveillance and reconnaissance.

One of the most ambitious projects is the SolarEagle (Vulture II) UAV from Boeing, which should provide the ability to relay communications and conduct reconnaissance, continuously being in the air for five years (!) At an altitude of about twenty kilometers. The project is funded by the DARPA agency.

The wingspan of the SolarEagle UAV is 120 meters, the maximum speed is up to 80 kilometers per hour. The solar batteries of the SolarEagle UAV are supposed to produce 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells.


UAV SolarEagle (Vulture II).

Another high-altitude electric UAV Solara 60 from Titan Aerospace, acquired by Google in 2014, is also designed for long flights at an altitude of over 20 kilometers. The design of the Solara 60 UAV includes a single electric motor with a large-diameter propeller, lithium-polymer batteries and solar panels. Google was planning to acquire 11 Solara 000 UAVs to provide real-time images of the earth's surface and deploy the Internet. The project was suspended in 60.


[center] UAV Solara 60 from Titan Aerospace.

In 2001, NASA tested the Helios high-altitude electric UAV. The flight altitude was 29,5 kilometers, the flight time was 40 minutes.


UAV Helios.

Russia has much more modest success in this direction. NPO named after Lavochkin is developing a project of a stratospheric UAV "Aist" LA-252 with a flight height of 15-22 kilometers and a carrying capacity of 25 kilograms. The two electric motors are powered by solar panels during the day and from batteries at night.


UAV model "Aist" LA-252.

The Tiber Company, together with the Advanced Research Fund (FPI), is developing the Sova stratospheric UAV capable of operating at an altitude of about 20 kilometers.


The concept of the UAV "Owl".

In 2016, the prototype of the SOVA UAV flew for 50 hours at an altitude of 9 kilometers. Unfortunately, the second prototype with a wingspan of 28 meters crashed during testing in 2018. It was assumed that the second prototype should spend 30 days in non-stop flight, reaching an altitude of 20 kilometers.


The prototype of the UAV "Owl".

The disadvantages of almost all existing projects of stratospheric electric UAVs can be attributed to the small value of the payload - at best, it is several hundred kilograms. However, even the current carrying capacity makes it possible to place optical reconnaissance equipment and / or electronic reconnaissance equipment (RTR) on high-altitude electric UAVs.

On the other hand, this type of aircraft is only at the beginning of its development. Progress in the field of batteries and electric motors allows us to talk about commercial passenger aviation, and the spread of green energy contributes to a large number of works to improve the efficiency of solar cells. UAVs with hydrogen fuel cells show excellent results.


A hydrogen fuel cell UAV developed by the Delft University of Technology (Netherlands) in collaboration with the Royal fleet and the Coast Guard, several times exceeds the flight time of a UAV of a similar dimension on batteries.


We should not forget about the progress in the development of composite materials that allow increasing the strength of the aircraft body while reducing weight and reducing radar signature, as well as 3D printing technologies that allow the manufacture of light and durable monolithic parts with a complex internal structure, the production of which by traditional methods impossible.

Taken together, this makes it possible to count on the emergence of high-altitude electric UAVs - actually atmospheric satellites with increased carrying capacity and practically unlimited flight range.

Just as the reduction in the size and complexity of the production of artificial earth satellites (AES), as well as the cost of their launch, leads to the fact that their number in orbit is rapidly increasing, the improvement of stratospheric UAVs can lead to a similar effect in the stratosphere, when at a certain moment in the sky will be tens of thousands of high-altitude electric UAVs that relay communications, perform meteorological observations, navigation, reconnaissance and solve a huge number of other commercial and military tasks.

What will this mean for us in terms of tracking AUG / KUG? The fact that it will not be so easy to find a reconnaissance UAV among a huge number of manned aircraft, civil and military UAVs of different countries and for various purposes.


The traffic of civilian vessels makes it difficult to find AUG and KUG in the ocean, but the detection of reconnaissance UAVs can be difficult due to the rapidly increasing number of aircraft of all types.

Compared to manned reconnaissance aircraft, other types of UAVs and stratospheric airships, high-altitude electric UAVs should be significantly less noticeable. They have practically no thermal signature, and the radar signature is insignificant and can be reduced with the help of appropriate solutions.

conclusions


Stratospheric airships and high-altitude electric UAVs can form the "second echelon" of reconnaissance and target designation systems, complementing the capabilities of reconnaissance satellites and capable of largely neutralizing "dark spots" in the issue of detecting AUG and KUG.

As well as orbital reconnaissance means, stratospheric airships and high-altitude electric UAVs will be extremely effective as reconnaissance means not only for the Navy, but also for other branches of the armed forces.

It should be borne in mind that an important condition that ensures the operability of stratospheric airships and high-altitude electric UAVs is the availability of global satellite communication systems - only in this case they will be able to operate at a distance from the state borders of Russia.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 21 November 2020 05: 00
    +4
    He is not a supporter of global conspiracies, but he does not abandon the thought that Elon Musk screwed their tracking piece to his thousands of Starling satellites.
    1. max702
      max702 21 November 2020 14: 22
      +3
      This is a long established fact .. it is enough to see who finances this business ..
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 21 November 2020 17: 25
        +1
        Quote: max702
        It's a long established fact


        This is fantasy. From illiteracy.
        1. max702
          max702 22 November 2020 02: 16
          -4
          This is from an overdose of Etodrugin.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 22 November 2020 11: 45
      -2
      Quote: ASAD
      He is not a supporter of global conspiracies, but he does not abandon the thought that Elon Musk screwed their tracking piece to his thousands of Starling satellites.

      Even the Pentagon does not have enough money for 12 thousand observation devices from space, and there is no need, this is initially a delusional idea, such a number is superfluous.
  2. kig
    kig 21 November 2020 06: 23
    +1
    And you, comrade Mitrofanov, have not tried to write science fiction?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 November 2020 06: 40
      +8
      Quote: kig
      Have you ever tried writing fiction?

      So here's the article, please :)))))
      1. kig
        kig 21 November 2020 09: 59
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        So here's the article, please :)))))

        and really ... that it is me.
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 21 November 2020 06: 59
      +4
      Quote: kig
      And you, comrade Mitrofanov, have not tried to write science fiction?

      Well, someone else needs to do this. On the deceased forum, one comrade in all seriousness proposed a perpetual motion machine running on sea water. I can imagine how airships will work on the eastern borders where there are always terrible winds coupled with hurricanes about snow storms, especially in winter.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 21 November 2020 11: 42
        -1
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        At the deceased forum, one comrade, in all seriousness, a perpetual motion machine running on sea water suggested

        You are not in the subject yet.
        Google "fuel-free generator" - and you will see whole herds of such comrades.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 21 November 2020 19: 49
          -1
          I wonder how much they shit there !? I'm not talking about sheep.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 21 November 2020 21: 13
            -1
            Quote: AKuzenka
            I wonder how much they shit there !? I'm not talking about sheep.

            Yes, just hundreds of kilometers of pages on thematic forums such as "Charge" or "Wanderer".
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 21 November 2020 22: 06
              0
              Probably, I am a lucky person that I did not know about such a guano before. But for the general knowledge, it will. Thanks.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 21 November 2020 22: 35
                -1
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression_conspiracy_theory
                Once there was a gorgeous article on English, I was even going to translate, but now they cut it to a short note.
      2. bayard
        bayard 21 November 2020 11: 54
        11
        A friend told me that in Kamchatka, experiments were carried out using AWACS airships, but a tethered type (like the Americans), but it was the winds and their gusts that killed this project completely.
        On the other hand, at high altitudes and a full-fledged airship, these factors may not be so destructive - if you just work out with engines, compensating for the wind load, or change the altitude and drift in the OBD zone.
        For a free-flying AWACS airship, another problem arises - energy. You cannot power the radar of such an airship with solar batteries alone, you need a generator, a supply of fuel ... And the radar itself will weigh, together with a power plant and a supply of fuel, not 1000 kg. , and not even 2000. You will need a bigger airship, which means a larger airship ... and ground infrastructure for it. Especially the hangar.
        And to launch such a mandolin during a stormy wind, its gusts, snow discharges and during torrential rains with cyclones ...
        In short, we need normal AWACS aircraft. Moreover, in sufficient quantity to ensure constant alert (at least during a threatened period and in the event of a military conflict).
        Such aircraft of the RF Armed Forces need about 50 pieces. , that's how much they were going to order the A-100 ... But something went wrong - the crocodile is not caught ... sorry ... the plane is not being built (Il-76MD90A), the radar is not ready. And a year ago, they started talking about the fact that instead of the A-100 on the Il-76MI90A they are going to build an AWACS aircraft based on the Tu-214 ...
        They say the equipment has become lighter and the carrying capacity of the Tu-214 is quite enough, the range will even be higher, the fuel efficiency and there are two or three dozen Tu-214s available, which airlines are not used ...
        Well, in the meantime, we have in stock 6 A-50U pieces for the whole immense.
        And we don't really itch.
        And it should be.
      3. dgonni
        dgonni 21 November 2020 12: 25
        -4
        At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth! So in this regard, Mitrofanov is completely right!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 21 November 2020 14: 00
          +3
          Quote: dgonni
          At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth! So in this regard, Mitrofanov is completely right!


          It seems to me that scientists know much more than you ... and Mitrofanov ...

          In the early 50s, new papers appeared on the wind regime in the upper stratosphere. The detected strong winds in the stratosphere were called stratospheric jet streams. Later it was possible to find out that at altitudes of 25-30 km, under certain circulation conditions, small cells of maximum wind speeds appear in the latitudinal zone of 50-75 ° of the northern and southern hemispheres. It was also found that above 25-30 km in the same latitudinal zone, the wind speed continues to increase. Stratospheric winds are highly seasonal. In winter, when the air is strongly cooled during the polar night at high latitudes, the temperature in the stratosphere decreases with altitude to -70, -80 °. In accordance with the direction of the horizontal temperature gradient (from middle latitudes to high latitudes) in the above latitudinal zone, the westerly winds increase with height and, already near the level of 30 km, reach a speed of 160-200 km / h. In fig. 74 and 75 show world maps of the pressure topography of the surface of 10 mb (according to the author), corresponding to a pressure field at a level of about 30-31 km. In fig. 74 it is easy to see that, in comparison with similar maps of 300 and 200 mb surfaces (see Figs. 33 and 69), the structure of the pressure field in the northern hemisphere has changed dramatically. The large density of isohypsum that appears between mid and high latitudes indicates high average wind speeds. On the contrary, south of 40 ° N. sh. thickening of isohypsum disappeared and weak winds are observed here
          It is easy to see that in the northern hemisphere on January 10, 1959, the maximum velocities in the center of the jets along the western border of Europe exceeded NO — 120 km / h, and on January 11 in eastern Asia, they reached 300 km / h. Let us also pay attention to the fact that in the stratosphere of the northern hemisphere between the middle and high latitudes, the westerly wind speeds increased with height and exceeded 140-160 km / h at the upper level.
          .

          https://collectedpapers.com.ua/ru/air_environment_of_the_earth/vitri-u-stratosferi-ta-mezosferi
          1. Shopping Mall
            21 November 2020 19: 56
            -3
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Quote: dgonni
            At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth! So in this regard, Mitrofanov is completely right!


            It seems to me that scientists know much more than you ... and Mitrofanov ...

            In the early 50s, new papers appeared on the wind regime in the upper stratosphere. The detected strong winds in the stratosphere were called stratospheric jet streams. Later it was possible to find out that at altitudes of 25-30 km, under certain circulation conditions, small cells of maximum wind speeds appear in the latitudinal zone of 50-75 ° of the northern and southern hemispheres. It was also found that above 25-30 km in the same latitudinal zone, the wind speed continues to increase. Stratospheric winds are highly seasonal. In winter, when the air is strongly cooled during the polar night at high latitudes, the temperature in the stratosphere decreases with altitude to -70, -80 °. In accordance with the direction of the horizontal temperature gradient (from middle latitudes to high latitudes) in the above latitudinal zone, the westerly winds increase with height and, already near the level of 30 km, reach a speed of 160-200 km / h. In fig. 74 and 75 show world maps of the pressure topography of the surface of 10 mb (according to the author), corresponding to a pressure field at a level of about 30-31 km. In fig. 74 it is easy to see that, in comparison with similar maps of 300 and 200 mb surfaces (see Figs. 33 and 69), the structure of the pressure field in the northern hemisphere has changed dramatically. The large density of isohypsum that appears between mid and high latitudes indicates high average wind speeds. On the contrary, south of 40 ° N. sh. thickening of isohypsum disappeared and weak winds are observed here
            It is easy to see that in the northern hemisphere on January 10, 1959, the maximum velocities in the center of the jets along the western border of Europe exceeded NO — 120 km / h, and on January 11 in eastern Asia, they reached 300 km / h. Let us also pay attention to the fact that in the stratosphere of the northern hemisphere between the middle and high latitudes, the westerly wind speeds increased with height and exceeded 140-160 km / h at the upper level.
            .

            https://collectedpapers.com.ua/ru/air_environment_of_the_earth/vitri-u-stratosferi-ta-mezosferi


            For airships, a speed of the order of 200 km / h is quite achievable, i.e. it is possible to fend off the wind.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 21 November 2020 23: 44
              +5
              [quote = AVM
              For airships, a speed of the order of 200 km / h is quite achievable, i.e. it is possible to fend off the wind. [/ quote]

              With what energy are you going to fend off the wind?
              You understand. that your airship at such a height will be relentlessly waving like a feather and no radar station will be able to control the segment?

              Kindergarten.......
            2. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 22 November 2020 00: 04
              +3
              Quote: AVM

              For airships, a speed of the order of 200 km / h is quite achievable, i.e. it is possible to fend off the wind.


              What are you carrying?
              Can you operate with facts?
              Here's an example from a very "advanced" TV channel ...
              https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/20195393-rR8W5.html?utm_source=tvzvezda&utm_medium=longpage&utm_campaign=longpage&utm_term=v1


              How will you keep the radar blades in a tedious direction in such a wind?


              In fact, there are no such possibilities ....
              A bubble - it will chatter in the wind so that it will never be able to position itself and will not be able to position targets.
              Understand this finally - crazy clever men without institutions ...
              1. Shopping Mall
                22 November 2020 11: 22
                -1
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Quote: AVM

                For airships, a speed of the order of 200 km / h is quite achievable, i.e. it is possible to fend off the wind.


                What are you carrying?
                Can you operate with facts?
                Here's an example from a very "advanced" TV channel ...
                https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/20195393-rR8W5.html?utm_source=tvzvezda&utm_medium=longpage&utm_campaign=longpage&utm_term=v1


                How will you keep the radar blades in a tedious direction in such a wind?


                In fact, there are no such possibilities ....
                A bubble - it will chatter in the wind so that it will never be able to position itself and will not be able to position targets.
                Understand this finally - crazy clever men without institutions ...


                The reference to the hurricane is, of course, an essential fact. Doesn't it bother you that no aircraft can fly normally in such a hurricane? And what is its upper limit?

                In addition to airships, half of the article is about high-altitude electric aircraft, because for them a strong wind can be even more critical, however, something no one criticizes them, probably because if a company like Google at least theoretically considers the possibility of purchasing 11000 such aircraft, then probably they have taken into account the natural factors. And yet, according to available data, these electric aircraft have problems just on takeoff, and at altitude they feel great, which is confirmed by the facts of continuous flight for a month.

                And one of the problems of atmospheric satellites is the climb, it is at this stage that they are vulnerable, and at operating altitude everything is fine with them.

                Why? Because the winds there most likely have a laminar flow and their speed changes relatively slowly, i.e. Nothing will "talk". Better a slowly changing wind of 200 km / h than a bumpy wind of 20-60-80-20-40-10 km / h.

                The Berkut airship project was developed not by me, but by the specialized company RosAeroSystems. Maybe they have problems with education?

                http://rosaerosystems.ru/projects/obj687

                Are they also fools at KRET?
                In July, 2015, Advisor to the First Deputy General Director of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET), Vladimir Mikheev, told RIA Novosti about the start of work on the airship project for the needs of the country's missile defense. It can become a full-fledged element of the missile attack warning system (EWS), which today consists of two echelons - the orbital satellite constellation and ground-based radar stations.



                And here, again, the Google project is also an interesting way of managing
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loon
                Stratospheric balloons will use the various air currents present in the stratosphere by changing their own height. Google's special software, which takes into account the current coordinates of the balloon obtained by GPS and the weather forecast from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the United States with a wind map, tries to calculate how, by maneuvering due to different wind directions at different heights and at different points, to reach the desired balloon direction of movement. [6] [7] The change in the altitude of the balloon is achieved due to the fact that it has an auxiliary balloon inflated with helium from the main balloon for ascent, and for descent from the auxiliary balloon, helium is pumped back into the main balloon. Maneuvering is so efficient that in 2015 Loon was able to fly 10 kilometers, reaching the desired point with an accuracy of 000 meters.
          2. dgonni
            dgonni 21 November 2020 20: 55
            +2
            The wind speed of 200 km is peak. And given that the air density there is not the same as at ground level, we can say that there is calm and quiet.
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 21 November 2020 18: 07
          +2
          Quote: dgonni
          At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth! So in this regard, Mitrofanov is completely right!
          And on Mars, the density of the atmosphere of which is 0,006% (less than 1% !!) of the earth, there is also peace and quiet !? Have you heard of Martian sandstorms?
          1. dgonni
            dgonni 21 November 2020 22: 05
            -1
            At an altitude of over 20+ km, there is no dust or water vapor. So go by
        3. kig
          kig 22 November 2020 03: 45
          0
          Quote: dgonni
          At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth!

          When 40 years ago we got carried away with (theoretical) wind energy, it was proposed to launch wind generators at this very height, because there are constant strong winds.
    3. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 21 November 2020 19: 47
      +1
      Unfortunately, no fiction. The magazine "Young Technician" wrote about this in 1986 or 1987, I don't remember exactly. And now the latest developments. It's funny, the "Berkut" has English letters in modifications, which speaks about the orientation to the West or the poor imagination of the "developers". Or maybe the development is not Russian. They just drew "funny pictures". And they obviously received money for them. Another Roscosmos.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 22 November 2020 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Unfortunately, no fiction.

        Without any fantasy, I will only remind you that in the 50s there was a program in the United States to launch meteorological balloons and balloons into our territory, which conducted not only radio reconnaissance, but also photographed certain areas during the flight. In general, the program was curtailed in the sixties as unpromising, because reconnaissance satellites with high resolution appeared, and reconnaissance aircraft received a lot of information when flying around our borders or, like Paurs, when flying over our territory.
        And now the author of the article proposes to return to what has long been recognized as unpromising - I just want to say "your author is wonderful ..."
  3. maksbazhin
    maksbazhin 21 November 2020 07: 12
    +5
    Stratospheric winds are highly seasonal. In winter, when the air is strongly cooled during the polar night at high latitudes, the temperature in the stratosphere decreases with altitude to -70, -80 °. In accordance with the direction of the horizontal temperature gradient (from middle latitudes to high latitudes) in the above latitudinal zone, the westerly winds increase with height and, already near the level of 30 km, reach a speed of 160-200 km / h.
  4. bar
    bar 21 November 2020 10: 34
    +6
    5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells.

    In general, the article is interesting. But with "fuel cells" a puncture. They do not "store" electricity, but only generate it irreversibly from any fuel. hi
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 21 November 2020 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: bar
      here with the "fuel cells" puncture. They do not "store" electricity, but only generate it irreversibly from any fuel.

      The solar batteries of the SolarEagle UAV are supposed to produce 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells. And I was also surprised by the "scientific discovery"! fellow
    2. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 19: 58
      -2
      Quote: bar
      5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells.

      In general, the article is interesting. But with "fuel cells" a puncture. They do not "store" electricity, but only generate it irreversibly from any fuel. hi


      As far as I understand, there are several types of solutions - some just fill up and throw out the "working off", others can carry out the opposite reaction, working like a battery:

      The wingspan of the SolarEagle UAV is 120 meters, the maximum speed is up to 80 kilometers per hour. The solar batteries of the SolarEagle UAV must produce 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stocked for night flights in fuel cells.
      1. bar
        bar 22 November 2020 08: 34
        +1
        As far as I understand, there are several types of solutions - some just refuel and throw out the "working off", others can carry out a reverse reaction

        As far as I understand, you cannot scroll the minced meat back. And they are journalists. In addition, I do not exclude "translation difficulties" ...
  5. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 10: 35
    0
    Andrey, thanks for the article.
    Please explain why "traffic" (here and elsewhere) is seen solely as a factor in improving camouflage?
    After all, AUG can "catch the eye" of any of the civil courts and this will already be a revealing factor.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 21 November 2020 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      After all, AUG can "catch the eye" of any of the civil courts and this will already be a revealing factor.

      I asked the same question in the thread about AUG disguise.
      Modern conflicts on the smartphone screen. (Good topic for an article)
      1. max702
        max702 21 November 2020 14: 28
        +5
        They told me that there are no cell towers in the sea ocean .. To my humble question, are there no satellite phones as well as other means of communication? Was minus mercilessly .. I see everything here at Morephils, I don't see it here, but here I wrap the fish ..
    2. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 00
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      Andrey, thanks for the article.
      Please explain why "traffic" (here and elsewhere) is seen solely as a factor in improving camouflage?
      After all, AUG can "catch the eye" of any of the civil courts and this will already be a revealing factor.


      Yes and no. It depends on what kind of ships and how they are organized. I think that the PRC and the North can organize a civilian fleet for the mandatory tracking of enemy warships, but do we have such opportunities? Does our Navy have any reports on reports of enemy ships? Are there directives for civil courts, communication channels, etc.?

      And so, who to call about the detected aircraft carrier - the district police officer?
      1. Alexander Vorontsov
        Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 20: 24
        0
        Quote: AVM
        Yes and no. It depends on what kind of ships and how they are organized.

        Why is it clear why not?

        There is a famous story about how a US MTR group was discovered during a covert raid ... by a shepherd. An old grandfather. It didn't end well for them.

        But there they at least could have a grandfather ... that. Immediately.
        And in the ocean it won't work)


        Quote: AVM
        can organize a civilian fleet for mandatory

        Yes, it is not even necessary to organize, you go to the Internet - there are shots of the emergence of strategic submarines, and a sea lion caught in the net, and collisions of ships, and from each ship, 5 people were filmed.

        You complicate things very much. Protocols, etc.
        You know, there is a famous photo, or rather a comparison of 2 photos. One and the same event - the election of the Pope. Relatively speaking, in 1970 and 2000. In one photo there are 2 cameras and 10 people with their hands up. And on the other ... 000 mobile phones.
        Now there is no monopoly on information as it used to be.

        Quote: AVM
        And so, who to call about the detected aircraft carrier - the district police officer?

        You are the captain of the vessel, financially responsible for this vessel and its cargo.
        You see the AIR CARRIER.

        And you don't know what to expect from him.
        You don’t know at all what order of battle they have, in order to understand where to turn you away, how they will perceive your maneuvers.

        At least any normal person in this situation will try to share his responsibility with someone. And he will contact the company that hired him for this transportation. And also contact the services that are engaged in the safety of navigation in this region - to request information, what is happening? War or what? Is it safe to be here or do you need to go somewhere further and change the route?

        I am silent already about the usual for the sake of between ships, like truckers, where they flutter bikes for days.
        1. Alexander Vorontsov
          Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 20: 37
          0
          If that is the story of the discovered special forces - Operation Red Wings in Kunar (Afghan).
        2. Shopping Mall
          21 November 2020 22: 05
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
          Quote: AVM
          Yes and no. It depends on what kind of ships and how they are organized.

          Why is it clear why not?

          There is a famous story about how a US MTR group was discovered during a covert raid ... by a shepherd. An old grandfather. It didn't end well for them.

          But there they at least could have a grandfather ... that. Immediately.
          And in the ocean it won't work)


          Quote: AVM
          can organize a civilian fleet for mandatory

          Yes, it is not even necessary to organize, you go to the Internet - there are shots of the emergence of strategic submarines, and a sea lion caught in the net, and collisions of ships, and from each ship, 5 people were filmed.

          You complicate things very much. Protocols, etc.
          You know, there is a famous photo, or rather a comparison of 2 photos. One and the same event - the election of the Pope. Relatively speaking, in 1970 and 2000. In one photo there are 2 cameras and 10 people with their hands up. And on the other ... 000 mobile phones.
          Now there is no monopoly on information as it used to be.

          Quote: AVM
          And so, who to call about the detected aircraft carrier - the district police officer?

          You are the captain of the vessel, financially responsible for this vessel and its cargo.
          You see the AIR CARRIER.

          And you don't know what to expect from him.
          You don’t know at all what order of battle they have, in order to understand where to turn you away, how they will perceive your maneuvers.

          At least any normal person in this situation will try to share his responsibility with someone. And he will contact the company that hired him for this transportation. And also contact the services that are engaged in the safety of navigation in this region - to request information, what is happening? War or what? Is it safe to be here or do you need to go somewhere further and change the route?

          I am silent already about the usual for the sake of between ships, like truckers, where they flutter bikes for days.


          Any information has a term of its value. If there are no organized ways of submitting it, then it will become obsolete until it reaches the recipient. In other words, the AUG will shoot until it is reported to whoever it should be.

          And you can also arrange provocations, provoking the enemy to put forward anti-aircraft forces and reconnaissance and destroy them.

          In general, looking ahead, I considered civil courts as a source of information, but a certain organization and verification of its sources is needed. It will be mentioned in one of the subsequent articles.
          1. Alexander Vorontsov
            Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 22: 47
            -2
            The impression that you ignored 90% of what I wrote.

            Any information has a term of its value

            So what the captain of the "dry cargo ship" will use pigeon mail or what? As soon as he sees and will report.

            Quote: AVM
            In other words, the AUG will shoot

            In other words ... you are simply ignoring the risk of being detected by "dense and growing civilian traffic" before reaching the border.

            Quote: AVM
            And you can also arrange provocations, provoking the enemy to put forward anti-aircraft forces and reconnaissance and destroy them.

            I did not understand.
            Why destroy an aircraft carrier at all?
            This is an impact compound, the task of which is to strike.
            The main task of the defenders is not to destroy the AUG.
            And in order to prevent striking.

            Your TACTICS is simply stunning.
            By extruding it onto ground forces, a soldier from the Bunker can be forced to go out into an open field by provoking them.

            If there are no organized ways to present it,

            She is.
            Intelligence is called.
            Then they will detain an employee of our research institute who leaked the information.
            The former "green beret" will be detained there
            Then the whole top-secret project SOSUS 1 person will merge - John Walker.
            And that's just what is on the surface, those who are caught, and whose capture becomes known.
            But this is certainly not a "system" ... it is ... an accident.

            It would take a very naive person to believe that moving 10 sailors is a snitch-proof activity at all levels, from the high command, sailors, their family members, to the janitor at the naval base where the ship was preparing.
            1. Shopping Mall
              21 November 2020 23: 06
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
              The impression that you ignored 90% of what I wrote.

              Any information has a term of its value

              So what the captain of the "dry cargo ship" will use pigeon mail or what? As soon as he sees and will report.


              Where will he report? Will he call Putin? Are there protocols, regulations? And what if the enemy's special forces hold the Faberge in order to provoke the departure of reconnaissance or bombers and destroy them? How to verify the information received?

              Will civil satellite communications work in case of a conflict? Wouldn't it be controlled? How many satellite communication networks are owned by the United States, its allies, or are they based on American technologies, which implies the ability to intercept and analyze traffic?

              Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
              Quote: AVM
              In other words, the AUG will shoot

              In other words ... you are simply ignoring the risk of being detected by "dense and growing civilian traffic" before reaching the border.


              No, I don’t ignore it, I just don’t understand which milestone do you mean? 100 km? 500 km? 1000 km?

              Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
              Quote: AVM
              And you can also arrange provocations, provoking the enemy to put forward anti-aircraft forces and reconnaissance and destroy them.

              I did not understand.
              Why destroy an aircraft carrier at all?
              This is an impact compound, the task of which is to strike.
              The main task of the defenders is not to destroy the AUG.
              And in order to prevent striking.


              I don't even know what to say, i.e. Is it easier to repulse the strike of fifty aircraft and half a thousand cruise missiles? The defender is doomed to defeat, because the attacker will always have the initiative and the first strike advantage.

              Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
              Your TACTICS is simply stunning.
              By extruding it onto ground forces, a soldier from the Bunker can be forced to go out into an open field by provoking them.


              The bunker in our time is not the most reliable shelter. Not everything can be extrapolated to everything. And yes, there is such a tactic - making a maneuver in order to force the enemy to make a maneuver and put himself under attack.

              Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
              If there are no organized ways to present it,

              She is.
              Intelligence is called.
              Then they will detain an employee of our research institute who leaked the information.
              The former "green beret" will be detained there
              Then the whole top-secret project SOSUS 1 person will merge - John Walker.
              And that's just what is on the surface, those who are caught, and whose capture becomes known.
              But this is certainly not a "system" ... it is ... an accident.

              It would take a very naive person to believe that moving 10 sailors is a snitch-proof activity at all levels, from the high command, sailors, their family members, to the janitor at the naval base where the ship was preparing.


              Intelligence is a very common word. Do you really think that AUG during the war can be monitored by "stacks" in real time and directed by their "knock" RCC? Oh yeah, we don't need to fight AUG ...
              1. Alexander Vorontsov
                Alexander Vorontsov 22 November 2020 02: 23
                -1
                Quote: AVM
                Where will he report? Will he call Putin? Are there protocols, regulations?

                I already wrote where he will call and this is at least. Or maybe including the FSB hotline
                Russian FSB helpline:
                for long distance calls - 8 495 224-22-22
                for international calls +7 495 224-22-22
                for SMS messages 8 916 240-24-84
                And yes they have protocols.

                And if the enemy's special forces hold the Faberge to provoke the scouts

                So the scouts will fly out. I don't see any catastrophe in the loss of 2 aircraft.
                Did you plan that Putin personally will fly?

                No, I don’t ignore it, I just don’t understand which milestone do you mean? 100 km? 500 km? 1000 km?

                I mean any place in the world's oceans that you considered convenient to "get lost in the traffic".
                And yes, you just ignore the simple fact that among which AUG, according to your concept, should be lost, can have a directly opposite effect.

                I don't even know what to say, i.e. Is it easier to repulse the strike of fifty aircraft and half a thousand cruise missiles? The defender is doomed to defeat, because the attacker will always have the initiative and the first strike advantage.

                Oh what are you)))))
                How can you seriously, as an adult, say this ... on the verge of vulgarity)))
                So primitive.
                If everything were so simple, we would have lost to Napoleon and the Germans at Kursk.
                Alexander the Great would have lost to the legendary Gaugamella.

                And Napoleon would have lost to us Austerlitz.
                But he won it))) And Alexander won. And we also won at Kursk.

                War is the art of deception.
                The fact is that in your scenarios, the AUG commanders always fight against the mentally retarded and, preferably, the technically under-equipped.
                Then everything fits together.
                But if the captain of the tanker needs to be a little more ... adapted to life than a five-year-old child whom his mother left home for the first time for 5 minutes, and he does not understand what to do, if the doorbell rang, that's all.
                Operation on the verge of failure.

                Quote: AVM
                Intelligence is a very common word. Do you really think that AUG during the war can be monitored by "stacks" in real time and directed by their "knock" RCC? Oh yeah, we don't need to fight AUG ...

                I believe that intelligence can get information at different stages, starting from preparation.

                What you are doing is a fairly well-known and primitive dialectical device, when a thesis is elevated to absurdity.
                - Do you think that reconnaissance means will allow you to direct missiles in real time ?!

                No, I do not think so)))
                You can get information a month before the aircraft carrier leaves the sea.
                You can get information at the time of the exit.
                You can get information about the approximate location in a given period of time.
                This is possible.

                And I don't need to attribute any absurdity to me.

                Intelligence is a very common word.

                It is also common by the fact that it includes a HUGE number of events. Which you just ignore the whole crowd.
                Including the analytical department, which processes and correlates all information.
                PS
                On the question of where to call - where did this old man call on the boat, that his atomarina picked up the rescuers before? Maybe they had a special protocol?
                1. Local from the Volga
                  Local from the Volga 22 November 2020 18: 05
                  0
                  FSB is not engaged in intelligence! For this there is the SVR and the GRU!
              2. bar
                bar 22 November 2020 08: 41
                0
                Where will he report? Will he call Putin? Are there protocols, regulations?

                Let me bother you. And who is stopping the development of these protocols and regulations in the event of a deterioration in the international situation? Who is preventing the captains of civil ships from bringing these regulations to the attention of the captains? It does not cost huge money and not very long in time.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 22 November 2020 12: 07
            0
            Quote: AVM
            In general, looking ahead, I considered civil courts as a source of information,

            And it is impossible to assign intelligence tasks to civil courts, and not only because they have no responsibility, but also because the task itself is already sov. Secret based on the list of tasks. So temper your fantasies, and at least learn the basics of intelligence at the level of a primer.
  6. evgen1221
    evgen1221 21 November 2020 11: 14
    0
    With such trends, only every meter will remain in the ocean, tracking drones tracking other tracking drones - all kinds of shock devices will simply stand in ports for fear of being discovered. Dead end.
  7. prior
    prior 21 November 2020 11: 31
    +3
    AUG without a base is not AUG.
    You can't hide the base.
    Do not be ashamed of your "complexes".
    Plant the bases with poplars. And let the bases "turn green" with radioactive light.
    And the AUG will receive a radiogram - "Homeland is no more."
  8. demiurg
    demiurg 21 November 2020 11: 36
    +4
    The idea will not take off.

    With one ton of monitors, a radar of such weight will not be able to look at something at 600-700 km. All the more so with five kilowatts of power. After spending energy on position correction, what is left to power the radar?

    This is the weight of the Irbis, but its power reaches 20 kW. And Irbis does not see further than 400 km.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 05
      -2
      Quote: demiurg
      The idea will not take off.

      With one ton of monitors, a radar of such weight will not be able to look at something at 600-700 km. All the more so with five kilowatts of power. After spending energy on position correction, what is left to power the radar?

      This is the weight of the Irbis, but its power reaches 20 kW. And Irbis does not see further than 400 km.


      There is the technique of yesterday, there is today, and there is tomorrow.

      We speak conditionally about "tomorrow" (even "the day after tomorrow"). Energy efficiency is increasing, as is the efficiency of solar panels and batteries. Sometimes this is not noticeable, only looking back people see that the world has irreversibly changed.

      In vain I wrote about the radio horizon, everyone perceives it as a range, although the range is indicated as 500-600 km. This is quite a lot, but a PMSM of 500 km is quite achievable if we are talking about the detection of such objects as a ship with a length of 100+ meters, especially an aircraft carrier.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 22 November 2020 02: 48
        -1
        Quote: AVM
        Energy efficiency is increasing, as is the efficiency of solar panels and batteries.


        The efficiency of solar panels is increasing by percent. She will not be able to grow even 2 times - the physical limit is close. The airship will simply have nothing to emit.
  9. ccsr
    ccsr 21 November 2020 12: 02
    +1
    Author:
    Andrey Mitrofanov
    conclusions
    Stratospheric airships

    In the XNUMXs, a good friend of mine ran an organization called the Center for Infrastructure Projects, where they dealt with various exotics, including airships. The task was given to them by our energy companies, which needed to control the electrical networks, taking all sorts of parameters of the lines during the airship's flight over them at low speed.
    In general, I would not like to attract Chubais to this, maybe he has nothing to do with it, but as a friend later told me, the money was allocated a lot, but the idea did not advance, although they began to build something, including hangars, and it seems even the airships were ordered. In general, the idea was a dummy, if only because all this could be done at a lower cost on the basis of existing technology, including light-engine UAVs and light helicopters. It looks like there was a cut of money, as it seems to me, but I will not say this, because I don't know the subtleties.
    And now, when the author of the article talks about "spaceships plowing the Bolshoi Theater", I just want to advise him - go down to earth, and at least think about whether we really need this kind of reconnaissance when we now have a lot ways to get the information you need. Maybe you shouldn't deal with Manilovism, and at least for a start, learn that the AUG are not the primary targets for our nuclear strike, as long as they are more than 1000 miles from our shores. Well, it would not hurt the author to know that balloons and probes have long been used in the Soviet Army both to provide signal troops with repeaters and to conduct certain types of reconnaissance in the front line. So if this case were promising, I am sure that a couple of airship squadrons would already be in service with the Russian army.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 06
      -2
      Quote: ccsr
      Author:
      Andrey Mitrofanov
      conclusions
      Stratospheric airships

      In the XNUMXs, a good friend of mine ran an organization called the Center for Infrastructure Projects, where they dealt with various exotics, including airships. The task was given to them by our energy companies, which needed to control the electrical networks, taking all sorts of parameters of the lines during the airship's flight over them at low speed.
      In general, I would not like to attract Chubais to this, maybe he has nothing to do with it, but as a friend later told me, the money was allocated a lot, but the idea did not advance, although they began to build something, including hangars, and it seems even the airships were ordered. In general, the idea was a dummy, if only because all this could be done at a lower cost on the basis of existing technology, including light-engine UAVs and light helicopters. It looks like there was a cut of money, as it seems to me, but I will not say this, because I don't know the subtleties.
      And now, when the author of the article talks about "spaceships plowing the Bolshoi Theater", I just want to advise him - go down to earth, and at least think about whether we really need this kind of reconnaissance when we now have a lot ways to get the information you need. Maybe you shouldn't deal with Manilovism, and at least for a start, learn that the AUG are not the primary targets for our nuclear strike, as long as they are more than 1000 miles from our shores. Well, it would not hurt the author to know that balloons and probes have long been used in the Soviet Army both to provide signal troops with repeaters and to conduct certain types of reconnaissance in the front line. So if this case were promising, I am sure that a couple of airship squadrons would already be in service with the Russian army.


      I am just considering all possible ways to detect AUG. And what are the many ways to get information from us?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 22 November 2020 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: AVM
        I am just considering all possible ways to detect AUG.

        Is it a submarine that is not visible on the surface and is hidden by the water column? Why do we need "possible ways" when there are enough existing ones?
        Quote: AVM
        And what are the many ways to get information from us?

        It is enough, if only because radars of different ranges are constantly operating on aircraft carriers and ships of the encirclement, and the linear dimensions of objects and metal provide an excellent opportunity for satellites and reconnaissance aircraft to constantly track the location of the grouping.
        1. Shopping Mall
          22 November 2020 11: 59
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: AVM
          I am just considering all possible ways to detect AUG.

          Is it a submarine that is not visible on the surface and is hidden by the water column? Why do we need "possible ways" when there are enough existing ones?
          Quote: AVM
          And what are the many ways to get information from us?

          It is enough, if only because radars of different ranges are constantly operating on aircraft carriers and ships of the encirclement, and the linear dimensions of objects and metal provide an excellent opportunity for satellites and reconnaissance aircraft to constantly track the location of the grouping.


          I think that not everything is so simple, on this issue I agree with Timokhin Alexander:
          Sea warfare for beginners. We put the aircraft carrier "on strike"

          Sea warfare for beginners. Targeting problem
          https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=go&url=aHR0cHM6Ly90b3B3YXIucnUvMTc2NDIxLW1vcnNrYWphLXZvam5hLWRsamEtbmFjaGluYWp1c2NoaWgtcHJvYmxlbWEtY2VsZXVrYXphbmlqYS5odG1s
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 22 November 2020 13: 12
            +2
            Quote: AVM
            Sea warfare for beginners. We bring the aircraft carrier "to strike"

            It’s interesting to find out how you imagine a covert preparation for a nuclear strike on Russia, if you begin to withdraw aircraft carriers from permanent basing points and send them to our shores. Should we sleep like bears in a den in winter at this time? You impose such a "unique" scenario on us, or maybe you give up your fantasies, and at least soberly assess the situation when the time from making a decision to the impact itself can be several hours or tens of minutes. What will you manage to do with your AUG during this time?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 November 2020 14: 25
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              It’s interesting to find out how you imagine a covert preparation for a nuclear strike on Russia, if you begin to withdraw aircraft carriers from permanent basing points and send them to our shores.

              No problem.
              The advancement of the Pacific part of the AUG is legendary as "opposition to the totalitarian North Korean regime, which once again violated international agreements"(There are so many of them that Eun always broke something).
              And the advancement of the AUG of the 6th fleet is legendary by the aggravation of the situation around Iran / in Libya or by regular exercises, with simultaneous rotation or return for technical reasons (for plausibility, it will be possible to depict the breakage of the latrine on the AV). At the same time, the ABs go from two sides: from the Mediterranean and from the East Coast, the traditional route for the Yankees recently - through Norway.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 23 November 2020 18: 41
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The promotion of the Pacific part of the AUG is legendary as "opposition to the totalitarian North Korean regime, which once again violated international agreements."

                Would you yourself believe in this nonsense if you were at the level of the one who makes decisions in a critical situation and is responsible for reporting to the Minister of Defense? Or do you think these people are so simple-minded and cannot separate flies from cutlets?
                Quote: Alexey RA
                At the same time, the ABs go from two sides: from the Mediterranean and from the East Coast, the traditional route for the Yankees recently - through Norway.

                And the rest of the US armed forces are resting in Hawaii at this time - so do you need to understand your scenario of preparing for a surprise attack? Oh well...
  10. astepanov
    astepanov 21 November 2020 12: 34
    +1
    Interesting article. But
    should generate 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells.
    Fuel cells are not suitable for storing energy. They work in one direction - like, say, a gasoline engine.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 22: 17
      -1
      Quote: astepanov
      Interesting article. But
      should generate 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stored for night flights in fuel cells.
      Fuel cells are not suitable for storing energy. They work in one direction - like, say, a gasoline engine.


      It seems there are different types of them, incl. with the possibility of recuperation.

      The wingspan of the SolarEagle UAV is 120 meters, the maximum speed is up to 80 kilometers per hour. The solar batteries of the SolarEagle UAV must produce 5 kilowatts of electricity, which will be stocked for night flights in fuel cells.
  11. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 November 2020 12: 46
    +1
    Russia now needs AWACS aircraft of "tactical" radius, like the Grumman E2.
    Available now in view of the cost of a flight hour (10 times more) can not be used as a patrol vehicle on duty.

    Placing such planes on one of the Kuril Islands can "close" the entire area.
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 21 November 2020 13: 38
    +1
    Quote: dgonni
    At an altitude of over 20+ km, quiet and smooth! So in this regard, Mitrofanov is completely right!

    The wind speed in the troposphere increases with height, reaching a maximum value in the zone of transition from the troposphere to the stratosphere (on average 17-20 m / sec). In the lowest layers of the stratosphere, the wind speed decreases with height, and then increases again.
    The maximum wind speeds are observed at the upper boundary of the stratosphere (up to 80-100 m / sec in winter and 60-80 m / sec in summer).
  13. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 21 November 2020 13: 53
    +6
    The article is interesting, but mostly futuristic.
    At the same time, there are a number of messages that we cannot agree with.
    1. Maintenance of high-altitude airships on the territory of "friendly countries" - well, it is very doubtful: where are these countries? And trust the secrets of someone else's territory? This is very optimistic!
    2. Dirik "accompany" the AUG? And the escort ships will allow it? Something very much gnaws at me "vague doubts".
    3. About the safety of the dirik. It is close to zero, because any spacecraft armed with a laser will make a couple of holes through which He2 will escape faster than it can reach the station ... on its territory.
    4. Do not consider the "threatened period" for the director, because duty officer Arlie Burke will solve this problem one-two, only one SM-6 with a high-explosive warhead. Moreover, it will solve this problem without even entering the detection zone of this ship.
    5. There will be no "real conflict" for the dirik for the reason described in paragraph 4, since with the beginning of the database, scouts and detection / surveillance equipment are destroyed first. Task number 1 - to blind the enemy is relevant from the very first minutes of an armed conflict.
    And so, the article is interesting in the long term. Thanks. hi
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 13
      -1
      Quote: BoA KAA
      The article is interesting, but mostly futuristic.
      At the same time, there are a number of messages that we cannot agree with.
      1. Maintenance of high-altitude airships on the territory of "friendly countries" - well, it is very doubtful: where are these countries? And trust the secrets of someone else's territory? This is very optimistic!
      2. Dirik "accompany" the AUG? And the escort ships will allow it? Something very much gnaws at me "vague doubts".
      3. About the safety of the dirik. It is close to zero, because any spacecraft armed with a laser will make a couple of holes through which He2 will escape faster than it can reach the station ... on its territory.
      4. Do not consider the "threatened period" for the director, because duty officer Arlie Burke will solve this problem one-two, only one SM-6 with a high-explosive warhead. Moreover, it will solve this problem without even entering the detection zone of this ship.
      5. There will be no "real conflict" for the dirik for the reason described in paragraph 4, since with the beginning of the database, scouts and detection / surveillance equipment are destroyed first. Task number 1 - to blind the enemy is relevant from the very first minutes of an armed conflict.
      And so, the article is interesting in the long term. Thanks. hi


      Why won't they let him do it in peacetime in neutral waters? And if he is knocked down, is this a reason to retaliate?

      Diagram:
      - AUG is tracked by an airship or UAV in real time + SSGN with "Zircon" in the radius of destruction of the tracked AUG.

      - An airship or UAV detects an attack by an anti-aircraft guided missile or a missile in-in, such messages come from several scouts + other signs of the outbreak of war.

      - SSGN receives an order to strike anti-ship missiles on the last coordinates of the AUG (3-5 minutes have passed since the start of the attack)

      - 1,5 km / s, 500 km. Less than 10 minutes and RCC in the area of ​​the AUG, extrapolated from the last coordinates and heading.

      Addition. AUG can change course, but there will be more than one downed airship, 100-200 km away there is an electric UAV at an altitude of 25 km, which moves towards AUG (knowingly knowing that it will be shot down) and specifies the coordinates until the moment when it is shot down ...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 November 2020 21: 14
        0
        Quote: AVM
        And if he is knocked down, is this a reason to retaliate?
        And the reasons why no one will find out the dirik will not? Right away, and they'll bang a reply? And if this is a provocation by a third party? Whereas?
        Quote: AVM
        Diagram:
        The flying spacecraft "flashed" with a laser three times, and the dirik was blown away. Simply and easily!!! And who will track it? 700 km from your land - huh?
        Quote: AVM
        but the shot down airship will not be alone,
        I agree! ALL the diriks will be sent down from the sky even before the start of the database, so as not to interfere. After all, they are tied to the surveillance system, and it dies first (according to the scenario of all the wars of the last period!) Do not believe me? Then read how the Yankee special forces disabled the Libyan radar before striking the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic.
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 November 2020 22: 15
          -1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: AVM
          And if he is knocked down, is this a reason to retaliate?
          And the reasons why no one will find out the dirik will not? Right away, and they'll bang a reply? And if this is a provocation by a third party? Whereas?


          So AUG and KUG is a lot, if one lost this one, and if two or more, then another. After all, there will be other signs of the beginning of aggression.

          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: AVM
          Diagram:
          The flying spacecraft "flashed" with a laser three times, and the dirik was blown away. Simply and easily!!! And who will track it? 700 km from your land - huh?


          The good news is that you are talking about lasers on aircraft, many are sure that they will not appear on them for another 100 years.

          About "blown away" this question. It seems that they are divided into compartments, i.e. the laser will not immediately "drop" the airship.
          There may also be sensors for detecting laser radiation, and its appearance is already a signal of an attack.
          Well, the very approach of the aircraft can be detected, which, coupled with the disappearance of the airship, will give rise to certain decisions.

          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: AVM
          but the shot down airship will not be alone,
          I agree! ALL the diriks will be sent down from the sky even before the start of the database, so as not to interfere. After all, they are tied to the surveillance system, and it dies first (according to the scenario of all the wars of the last period!) Do not believe me? Then read how the Yankee special forces disabled the Libyan radar before striking the territory of the Kyrgyz Republic.


          And to hell with them, they are unmanned. In addition, they can be protected at their borders, and in other parts of the world they can be sacrificed in exchange for the understanding that the aggression has already begun.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 November 2020 11: 44
            0
            Quote: AVM
            I am glad that you are talking about lasers on aircraft,

            Colleague, you need to carefully read your opponent's posts so as not to get caught in a loophole: I WRITTEN ABOUT SC (!) - that is, "spacecraft", and this, as they say in Odessa, is a big difference. bully
            Quote: AVM
            Also, at their borders

            well, then draw the appropriate pictures, and not for the whole Sea of ​​Japan, as in your text ... yes
            1. Shopping Mall
              22 November 2020 11: 57
              0
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: AVM
              I am glad that you are talking about lasers on aircraft,

              Colleague, you need to carefully read your opponent's posts so as not to get caught in a loophole: I WRITTEN ABOUT SC (!) - that is, "spacecraft", and this, as they say in Odessa, is a big difference. bully


              You are right, CA, not LA. But spacecraft with lasers will have even more problems than on aircraft - the problem of cooling in space.

              Laser weapons in space. Features of operation and technical problems
              https://topwar.ru/171444-lazernoe-oruzhie-v-kosmose-osobennosti-jekspluatacii-i-tehnicheskie-problemy.html

              In addition, satellites from the aircraft will be very large and very expensive, i.e. there will not be many of them, which means the trajectories will be limited and known, it is possible to avoid meeting with them. A maneuvering spacecraft with a laser is a completely different story, we will return to the topic of space later.


              Quote: BoA KAA
              Quote: AVM
              Also, at their borders

              well, then draw the appropriate pictures, and not for the whole Sea of ​​Japan, as in your text ... yes


              So in the picture, the centers of the circles (the location of the airships) are above our territory or territorial waters. And the circle itself is the radius of view of the reconnaissance equipment. Here in the comments it was said that now, radar with such a range cannot be “shoved” onto the airship. Well, it is possible that 500-600 km will not work out, but 300-400 is more likely to be realized, so the territory will still be controlled by a vast one.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 22 November 2020 12: 03
                +1
                Quote: AVM
                In addition, satellites from the aircraft will be very large and very expensive,

                Probably it was said about an AES with a LO, not an aircraft.
                Second. You are confusing gas-dynamic lasers with solid-state lasers. And this is a slightly different topic. But this is a problem of the distant future, as well as diriks with the Far Eastern Military District radar. Amen!
                Sincerely. hi
                1. Shopping Mall
                  22 November 2020 13: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  Second. You are confusing gas-dynamic lasers with solid-state lasers. And this is a slightly different topic.


                  No, I don’t confuse it, just gas-dynamic problems with cooling do not, since in them the excess temperature is thrown out together with the spent working fluid, but they have a problem that the reserves of the working fluid itself are extremely limited. In general, gas-dynamic and chemical lasers are the last century.

                  The future belongs to solid-state, fiber lasers and others, for which the energy source is electricity. But the problem is that they have an efficiency of about 30-40%, most likely they will be able to achieve 50% (somewhere I even heard the figure of 70%, but in my opinion this is still for low power).

                  Let it be 50%. To work from orbit, we need a power of at least 1 MW, so we need to dissipate another 1 MW of heat. And in space, it's not easy.

                  Massive cooling systems can be installed on the ground, seawater on ships, and oncoming air flow on aircraft. And in space there are only huge drip refrigerators.


                  This is what drip coolers look like for dissipating 3,5 MW of heat. We need something similar, since it will be necessary to cool the power supply system.
      2. Ivanchester
        Ivanchester 21 November 2020 22: 23
        -1
        If the SSGN is submerged, how will it receive the order to strike?
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 November 2020 22: 55
          -1
          Quote: Ivanchester
          If the SSGN is submerged, how will it receive the order to strike?


          The airship transmits information through the satellite communication channel to the control center, which, through the appropriate ELF / VLF communication systems, gives the command to float to receive the control center via the satellite.

          If everything is automated, then the time intervals will be minimal.
        2. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 22 November 2020 18: 16
          0
          He also drew naval shoulder straps ... Radio communication in the ultra-long wave range !!! ZEUS, for example!
          1. Ivanchester
            Ivanchester 23 November 2020 18: 32
            0
            As far as I understand, ZEUS is the only example of such a transmitter in domestic practice.
            Doubt is the ability to have time to transmit the necessary information from the airship to the launcher in a few minutes, from there to ZEUS, from ZEUS to the submarine, submarine - to ascend to a depth that allows for conventional radio communication, receive the control center and fire a volley.

            PS I believe that even those who did not wear virtual naval shoulder straps, but did not serve on submarines, may not know about the peculiarities of ELF communication systems, so I do not see anything provoking in their question.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 23 November 2020 18: 45
            +1
            Quote: Local from the Volga
            .Long wave radio communication !!!

            It is one-way, so you still need to float up and use other types of communication and a different frequency range to confirm receipt of the command.
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 November 2020 13: 58
    +2
    Oh, this "zhu-zhu-zhu" "is probably not easy! In a relatively short time, this is the second article about the need to deploy in the future a network of" atmospheric satellites "... or stationary (quasi-stationary) aerial platforms for long-term monitoring! , airships can be very promising for this ... Among the problems, there is often a lack of electricity! "Solar batteries" are not always enough ... But other options can be considered! For example, using Peltier elements ... Here the question is The choice ranges from radioisotope sources (like "Topaz" ...) to simple placement of elements at the top of the "apparatus" for solar heating and at the bottom for cooling ... (if the efficiency is higher than solar panels .. .) ... suspended ropes with Peltier elements (or even "sails" ...) And finally, the use of aircraft "heavier than air" such as platforms with nuclear power plants based on the "Petrel"!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 22 November 2020 08: 12
      0
      The selection varies from radioisotope sources (like "Topaz" ...)
      and you know how much that "Topaz" weighed, and what is the payload of modern balloons, or rather airships even, which now carry tourists in Germany (at an altitude of up to 1000 m.) and advertising banners are carried in California (a couple of hundred meters along coastline, personally saw them with my own eyes), funny and only :)))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 22 November 2020 08: 57
        0
        Quote: Intruder
        you know how much that "Topaz" weighed, and what is the payload of modern balloons, or rather airships even, which now carry tourists in Germany

        1. I didn't say; Topaz! And only offered the opportunity to borrow the idea of ​​Topaz! Don't like Topaz ... don't take it! I suggest other variations of using Peltier elements as well! 2. And more ... The article is not about tourist airships ... Read better ... at least about "zeppelins" .... 3. I can agree that airships have a chance to be useful "things" in the 21st century, but I give priority to aircraft "heavier than air" ... if we can solve the problems with the "durability" of such aircraft!
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 22 November 2020 09: 31
          0
          Peltier elements
          Efficiency is low and energy efficiency per kg of weight is low! Better to carry TSU on kerosene toda!
          Read better ... at least about the "zeppelins"
          I read it and not only, in California I had a chance to fly a little on the "tourist option", only as entertainment they are suitable for the cost of the flight, and helium is also expensive, when refueling even once every couple of months (the shell loses helium every hour somehow chemistry physics, you can't cheat ..), up to several tens of thousands of euros, this is for a shell of 10 - 000 cubic meters, and this is still a small blimp and of the type: "soft", not hard, like Tsiolkovsky ( all-metal), plus again low speed even in the stratosphere (how long it will go to the required observation area, a day or more, when the observation becomes irrelevant (the relevance of reconnaissance information) ...) and the problem of controllability (trying to bypass the thunderstorm front by altitude and course) with such a surface area, with "heavier than air" it is simpler and they are really faster, therefore they pushed at the beginning of the last century, even patrol blimps in the United States, barely held out until the end of the 15s, and then naval reconnaissance completely moved to planes and alas ... but tepe rs are trying to impose the idea that "steam engines and signal fires" are much more promising than gas turbine and diesel engines ... something similar from another opera is true :))
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 22 November 2020 10: 41
            +1
            Quote: Intruder
            only as entertainment they are good

            Well, I won't argue a lot about airships ... I am not a "fan" of these aeronautical means (!) ... I only admit the possibility of their "reincarnation" ...
            Quote: Intruder
            Peltier elements
            Efficiency is low and energy efficiency per kg of weight is low!

            But, all right, you can think about it! 1, First of all ... "everything flows and develops"! Semiconductor Peltier elements (EP) have a higher efficiency than "metal" elements of the Second World War! Polymer EP may appear ... use longer ropes! 2. Suddenly non-standard solutions will turn up! Like a "sail-glider" working in conjunction with an erostat! 3. Electronic equipment is becoming more and more "nano"! And the weight is "bye-bye", and energy consumption "with a gulkin's nose"! Vaughn even heard about "nanosatellites"! fellow
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 22 November 2020 11: 02
              +1
              Vaughn even heard about "nanosatellites"
              there are, I do not argue :), the rest mass - up to 100 kilos! But, mainly for scientists and students, Western universities are developed and launched, allegedly cheap and cheerful, if the budget is cut ...
              Glider-sail type, working in conjunction with an erostat

              and "left tack" only ... :) again, air currents are not always well predicted, more precisely, the higher the altitude, the more "surprises", just in the past I worked in aerology, I just know not by hearsay, as a probe " throws "at heights over - 10 km and up to 30 ... on average!
  15. Undecim
    Undecim 21 November 2020 14: 01
    +3
    The mass of reconnaissance equipment that can be placed on the Berkut airship is 1 kilograms, the installed equipment is supplied with power. The airship can maintain a given position similar to a geostationary satellite. At an altitude of 200 kilometers, the radio horizon is about 20-600 kilometers, the surveyed surface area is over a million square kilometers, which is comparable to the area of ​​the territory of Germany and France
    The author, traditionally for a VO site, writes about a topic in which he does not understand anything.
    As a self-education to the author - learn what the basic equation of radar is, as well as the weight and power consumption of a radar with a detection range of 750 km.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 13
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      The mass of reconnaissance equipment that can be placed on the Berkut airship is 1 kilograms, the installed equipment is supplied with power. The airship can maintain a given position similar to a geostationary satellite. At an altitude of 200 kilometers, the radio horizon is about 20-600 kilometers, the surveyed surface area is over a million square kilometers, which is comparable to the area of ​​the territory of Germany and France
      The author, traditionally for a VO site, writes about a topic in which he does not understand anything.
      As a self-education to the author - learn what the basic equation of radar is, as well as the weight and power consumption of a radar with a detection range of 750 km.


      Is it difficult to read a line further?

      Modern radar stations (radars) with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) can provide detection range large surface targets at a distance of about 500-600 kilometers.

      Now by weight.

      https://topwar.ru/157292-obespechenie-raboty-zrk-po-nizkoletjaschim-celjam-bez-privlechenija-aviacii-vvs.html

      The JLENS project is being implemented in the USA. Within the framework of this project, it is envisaged to deploy radar and optical reconnaissance equipment on balloons fixed in certain points of the country and designed to detect low-flying cruise missiles. The altitude of the balloons is 3 - 4,5 km, the payload mass is about three tons. The detection range of air targets should be about 550 km, ground targets about 225 km. In addition to detection, the JLENS balloon should provide over-the-horizon targeting for surface-to-air missiles.

      If the United States plans to detect ground targets at 550 km with equipment weighing 3 tons, i.e. targets with a size of 5-7 meters, why cannot equipment weighing 1,2-1,5 tons, capable of detecting a ship measuring 100+ meters by 500-600 km, be realized?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 21 November 2020 20: 22
        +2
        If the US plans to detect
        The US is no longer planning anything. The Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System project finally closed three years ago.
        By the way, in this project the balloons were tethered and the power supply was provided from the ground.
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 November 2020 22: 01
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          If the US plans to detect
          The US is no longer planning anything. The Joint Land Attack Cruise Missile Defense Elevated Netted Sensor System project finally closed three years ago.
          By the way, in this project the balloons were tethered and the power supply was provided from the ground.


          Yes, tethered, but they are considering projects and autonomous systems. And it was canceled most likely because there is not yet any threat for them on their shores.

          The enemy does not have AUG yet. The number of CDs is scanty, how will we scare them? One Ash? A dozen missile boats with six calibers? If we have 8-12 SSGN "Borey-K" with a hundred cruise missiles, you will see that the USA will have AWACS balloons.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 21 November 2020 22: 46
            +2
            They have been using tethered balloons near their shores since 1980 (Tethered Aerostat Radar System). In addition, the Americans widely use surveillance and control systems based on the Persistent Threat Detection System, Persistent Ground Surveillance System, Persistent Surveillance Systems-Tethered, Altus and others and clearly understand the range of tasks that they can effectively solve.
            But the Airborne Warning and Control System based on an airship, especially an unmanned one, is not yet in their immediate plans.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 22 November 2020 11: 10
      +1
      as well as weight and power consumption of a radar with a detection range of 750 km.
      for example, the MRL-5 complex, the range of radar observation of a thunderstorm front, a maximum of 350 km is an oblique range, an antenna mirror is up to 4,5 m, at a range of 3 cm, a transmitter based on a magnetron with a pulse power of up to 300 400 kW at the output, the receiver and the transmitter, require a room - up to 30 square meters, with a windproof cover for the antenna-feeder device ... now from memory I remembered about my former work ... and how to raise something like that on an airship, I doubt that it will fit aboard such a "pipelace" :)
  16. S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 21 November 2020 15: 45
    +3
    Derijables and devices created on their basis for more than a hundred years have shown their unsuitability for practical use. The main limitation is the really existing turbulence of the atmosphere, at the parameters of which they and balloons cannot function in more than 50% of cases.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 17
      -1
      Quote: S. Viktorovich
      Derijables and devices created on their basis for more than a hundred years have shown their unsuitability for practical use. The main limitation is the really existing turbulence of the atmosphere, at the parameters of which they and balloons cannot function in more than 50% of cases.


      Nevertheless, dozens of companies and serious organizations are engaged in their development. Does everyone "saw"? You see, any technology can go through several iterations before reaching technical maturity. If the tank was a "tin" in 1916, then in 1941 it turned into the main striking force of the ground forces, if ballistic and cruise missiles during WWII were a useless waste of money, then in 10-15 years they became the most terrible weapon.

      The development of technology allows us to solve problems that previously seemed insurmountable.
      1. S. Viktorovich
        S. Viktorovich 21 November 2020 20: 48
        0
        Derijables-balloons use the natural properties of the atmosphere and while they do not change, there are also limitations on technology. 15m / sec of uniform wind flow, but it happens rarely, more and more with gusts. In "good" weather, these devices have many advantages. The question is about the consumers of services, who needs what.
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 November 2020 22: 07
          0
          Quote: S. Viktorovich
          Derijables-balloons use the natural properties of the atmosphere and while they do not change, there are also limitations on technology. 15m / sec of uniform wind flow, but it happens rarely, more and more with gusts. In "good" weather, these devices have many advantages. The question is about the consumers of services, who needs what.


          Technology can compensate for the properties of the atmosphere. For example, highly efficient electric motors and control systems that can instantly fend off gusts of wind.

          In the sea, the natural properties of the hydrosphere are also used, but thrusters with electric motors appeared on the ships, which immediately improved the maneuverability of the ships.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 22 November 2020 08: 15
        0
        Nevertheless, dozens of companies and serious organizations are engaged in their development. Does everyone "saw"?
        that's exactly what they are "sawing" and only .... for tens of years, and the military are watching and smiling at these attempts to "suck them in ...", also only ... Not a single project is even taken into trial operation, usually everything stops at advertising, or as long as the funds of investors (private) allow "a little" to fly in front of journalists at presentations ... and that's all :)
  17. S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich 21 November 2020 15: 50
    +1
    To the heap - the OCD "Derizhabl" ended in a criminal case for the authors.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 November 2020 20: 17
      0
      Quote: S. Viktorovich
      To the heap - the OCD "Derizhabl" ended in a criminal case for the authors.


      If in Russia they were plundered on some topic, this does not mean that the problem is in the topic.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 22 November 2020 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: S. Viktorovich
      To the heap - the OCD "Derizhabl" ended in a criminal case for the authors.

      But this could be due to the fact that they just threw customers, not submitting anything at the end of the ROC. And if a prototype was received, and even if it did not satisfy the customers, then they are not prosecuted for this, if reports are submitted on all cost items. Where was the customer looking when accepting interim reports? At least this was always the case before, I think it is the same now ..
  18. The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 21 November 2020 17: 27
    0
    On the one hand, the carrying capacity is cheap, on the other hand, there is little energy, and on the third, it's just a stationary target.
  19. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 21 November 2020 21: 52
    +3
    That is nonsense .. Airships have shown their complete practical uselessness a hundred years ago. The atmosphere is much more aggressive than it seems to the young divas admiring the clouds. Storms in the atmosphere are much angrier and more frequent than in the ocean. Half of the airships were killed in flight, the other half destroyed by impacts on the ground or mooring masts / hangars.

    Forget about this nonsense at last, the giant windage system cannot be safe.
  20. Avior
    Avior 22 November 2020 00: 27
    +1
    I think if military operations are against a prepared enemy, then the use of airships outside the protection of their own coastal aviation will be difficult.
    It will be visible to radio reconnaissance equipment from afar, and to defeat it, you do not need to involve carrier-based aircraft - coast-based aircraft are enough, if there is a possibility of refueling.
    The Americans, in any case, will not be a problem to clear the sky from such airships.
    The only thing is that weapons of destruction are needed, but as soon as the airships are in service, they will begin to intensively develop suitable missiles in order to shoot down.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 22 November 2020 08: 08
      0
      The only thing is that weapons of destruction are needed, but as soon as the airships are in service, they will begin to intensively develop suitable missiles in order to shoot down.
      Any anti-satellite version of the SAM is already in service, and there is even no need to upgrade anything, the altitude is sufficient with a margin and the slant range of such a SAM covers just hundreds of kilometers, where such an "eye" will hang along the border.
  21. Intruder
    Intruder 22 November 2020 07: 57
    +1
    The article is like a hodgepodge with a sketch of the "strange concepts" of journalists from the office of the media channel:
    1. "Atmospheric satellites" - what is this ersatz, to call an LA - an atmospheric satellite, where all this is taken from which Wiki ??? The atmospheric apparatus, but not a satellite (AES), is at least in orbit (LEO, etc.), but here it is just a flight in the atmosphere in the stratospheric layers ... Karl, it is in airspace, up to the Karman line! :)
    2. A high-altitude airship, maybe it will be more accurate to write - stratolite !? And so airships, only in the tropospheric range, have been built and operated so far - up to 10 m, maximum ceiling ..., and then stratoliths, or stratospheric balloons (if uncontrollable ...) !? :)
    3. Hydrogen fuel cells - do not store energy, but generate from hydrogen, that is, they are sources of energy, not batteries for storing this very energy (if on fingers ....), using ion exchange processes, and this is already electrochemistry, that's it! How will they store it from solar cells if they need molecular hydrogen in a tank on board ???
    "Horses-people mixed up ..." something like this in this article ...
    4. Even Google realized in 2016 that the cost of such an "eye" is approaching the cost of launching a device on LEO, and abandoned this idea, as early as 4 years ago .... but it still excites the minds of (non) professionals, as in this article!
    1. Shopping Mall
      22 November 2020 14: 03
      0
      Quote: Intruder
      The article is like a hodgepodge with a sketch of the "strange concepts" of journalists from the office of the media channel:
      1. "Atmospheric satellites" - what is this ersatz, to call an LA - an atmospheric satellite, where all this is taken from which Wiki ??? The atmospheric apparatus, but not a satellite (AES), is at least in orbit (LEO, etc.), but here it is just a flight in the atmosphere in the stratospheric layers ... Karl, it is in airspace, up to the Karman line! :)


      This is a well-established concept that is widely used in print.

      Quote: Intruder
      3. Hydrogen fuel cells - do not store energy, but generate from hydrogen, that is, they are sources of energy, not batteries for storing this very energy (if on fingers ....), using ion exchange processes, and this is already electrochemistry, that's it! How will they store it from solar cells if they need molecular hydrogen in a tank on board ???


      https://ria.ru/20130816/956785268.html
      https://3dnews.ru/579327/?past-link
      http://www.alobuild.ru/ispolzovaniye-vozobnovlyayemoy-energii/batarei.php
      https://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2018/03/20/84157

      Quote: Intruder
      4. Even Google realized in 2016 that the cost of such an "eye" is approaching the cost of launching a device on LEO, and abandoned this idea, as early as 4 years ago .... but it still excites the minds of (non) professionals, as in this article!


      Research isn't just done by Google. And they all think, for example, what is the point for them to deploy
      drones if SpaseX and Oneweb are the first to saturate the market with satellite internet? Here the winner is the one who will be the first.

      But despite this, the development of "atmospheric satellites" is being actively pursued in different countries.
  22. Intruder
    Intruder 22 November 2020 08: 05
    0
    [quote = Saxahorse] This is nonsense .. Airships showed their complete practical uselessness a hundred years ago. The atmosphere is much more aggressive than it seems to young divas admiring the clouds. Storms in the atmosphere are much angrier and more frequent than in the ocean. Half of the airships were killed in flight, the other half destroyed by impacts on the ground or mooring masts / hangars.

    Forget about this nonsense at last, the giant windage system cannot be safe. [/ Quote]
    [quote] but they just never did aerology and every morning did not launch aerological probes filled with compressed hydrogen into the stratosphere, so I can dream on sofas ...
    Not even storms, but icing of the shell and wind loads on a huge surface area of ​​the shell with a carrier gas, plus controllability and maneuverability are much worse than those of vehicles heavier than air, I can advise once in a lifetime to ride such fans on a regular one (for tourists ...: )) "heat ball" at 10 m / s., at an altitude of 200-400 meters, and then go for a landing with a good crosswind, will immediately discourage many from the discussion of flight safety in bad weather and this is just the surface layer of the atmosphere!
  23. K298rtm
    K298rtm 22 November 2020 15: 42
    0
    [First of all, this is control of the state borders of Russia, including the sea.]
    1. The sea border of our state is 12 miles.
    2. Border guards are responsible for guarding the surface border (they have their own surveillance system).
    3. BSN of the Navy also controls the surface (mainly) situation.
    4. What does airships have to do with it?
  24. Maluck
    Maluck 22 November 2020 17: 32
    0
    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: AVM
    In general, looking ahead, I considered civil courts as a source of information,

    And it is impossible to assign intelligence tasks to civilian courts, and not only because they have no responsibility, but also because the task itself is already sov. Secret based on the list of tasks. So temper your fantasies, and at least learn the basics of intelligence at the level of a primer.


    Well, why not. I remember in Soviet times there was such a system, "Volga" was called, so it was mandatory installed on every fishing scow and it automatically transmitted to the center what came into its field of view. And t-s-s-s it seems to have been produced in Kazan ...
  25. kamakama
    kamakama 23 November 2020 13: 30
    0
    Everything new is well forgotten old. The Americans used airships for aerial reconnaissance and surveillance of the Japanese fleet, at least as planned. The economics of the project was very impressive (see the airship-aircraft carrier "Akron" or here at least http://alternathistory.com/dirizhabli-avianostsy-realnaya-alternativa-30-h-godov-v-ssha/). But they were knocked down by the development of aircraft carriers and technical difficulties. If you solve the issues with the controllability of airships - why not?