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Tanks "NI": number and design

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Tankers and workers at tank "NO".


Homeland, where my friend is young
Lying fired by battle.
It’s not without reason that a golden wreath was made for him
And my city is called a Hero!
And my city was named a Hero, by the Black Sea.
(Leonid Utesov "At the Black Sea")

Military glory of Odessa. To date, the exact number of tanks built by Odessa residents is unknown. Many Internet sources refer to the memoirs of N.G. Lutsenko. According to some reports, he was in charge of the project and was "the secretary of the Lenin district party committee." However, Lutsenko was never mentioned by Krylov in his memoirs on the defense of Odessa. In any case, he was not in charge of this project. And, according to Krylov, this was done by Kogan and Romanov.

How many were there


There is information that from August 20 to October 15, 55 tanks were made, converted from STZ-5 tractors.

At the same time, there is also such data that by September 14, 31 tanks were released. But today this figure is also being questioned.

Stephen Zaloga gives two numbers: 69 and 70.

Others suggest that the figure will be closer to 55. Since Odessa did not have enough resources or time to make more "NI" tanks.

According to the Romanian source "Armata Romana 1941-1945" by Cornel I. Skafes, Odessa produced 70-120 "tankettes converted from tracked tractors", but here their number is clearly overestimated.

What is known? That three prototypes were made. 70 more have been ordered. It is possible that the four factories set aside for the production of these Odessa tanks were actually part of the production chain. And not all of them produced entire tanks.

The tram shop was probably used to make the towers. At another enterprise, sheets of armor steel were cut. Then there was a third company, where they made internal equipment for "NI". Well, the Yanvarsky Vosstaniya plant was already engaged in the final assembly.

Thus, it may well turn out that the number of tanks produced was really quite small. And the bombing of the tram shop at the end of the siege, by the way, can also be the reason for the appearance of some Odessa tanks without towers.

In total, according to limited combat data, we can talk about about 33-40 tanks "NI". Moreover, only only 6-8 of them were photographed. Be that as it may, even such a number of cars assembled in the besieged city speaks of the talent of its defenders and their truly selfless work!

Judging by the photographs, after the evacuation and fall of Odessa on October 16, all the remaining "NI" tanks were either abandoned or destroyed.

According to the Romanian side, the Romanian units that entered the city managed to capture at least two Odessa tanks (14 are mentioned in Wikipedia), but their fate is unknown.

Design


What was the design of the NI tanks? Judging from the photographs, various towers could be used on them.

For the first modification, the turret of the T-26 M1932 tank, with a DT machine gun (instead of the 37-mm cannon).

It is also known that some "NI" had improvised towers made at Odessa factories. And these were the majority.

But some "NI" tanks had no turrets at all, which is also confirmed by photographs.

Tanks "NI": number and design

Tank "NI". Drawing from the British Encyclopedia of Armored Vehicles of the Second World War.

The Yanvarskiy Vosstaniya plant was the main repair base in Odessa. And, according to reports, tank turrets taken from wrecked or damaged vehicles were brought here.

Most often, "NI" was photographed with a turret from a T-26 M1932, with a ball mount of a DT machine gun instead of a 37-mm cannon.

It is believed that this particular tank was the first in stories Odessa. Although many of these towers, it is quite possible, were not removed from the damaged vehicles, but were stored here after the modernization of the T-26 in 1935.

It is known that on the Southwestern Front there were about 1 T-316 tanks (various options) (about 26% of all Soviet tanks on this front). In any case, it is unclear how many two-turret T-35s could have been among them. It is reported that there were about 26 of them (T-2 M037), but many of them were produced at the Izhora plant in Leningrad from low-quality low-carbon steel. And therefore, they could easily fail long before 26.


Knocked down "NI" on the battlefield. One of the few photos where you can at least look at something.

In any case, a certain number of "NI" had just such towers, and some were home-made, but there were also completely crazy machines.

Judging by the footage from Roman Karmen's 1965 documentary "The Great Patriotic War", at least one Odessa tank had a turret from a T-37A or T-38. Due to their small size, there is no reason to believe that there could be no "NI" with the T-37A / T-38 turret.

On the other hand, if we take the lowest number of "NI" equal to 55, then it turns out that in any case, most of these tanks should have had improvised turrets, since where could you get so many turrets from destroyed tanks?

The existence of improvised turrets is also based on the conclusion of Zalog, Krylov and at least two famous photographs that recorded the presence of such an improvised tower.

There are also three photographs of the NI tanks (all taken after the capture of Odessa) without turrets. The first one without a turret, perhaps, may be the same tank without a turret that was seen at the port entrance. There are two possible explanations for this, but both are based on pure assumptions. First, the towers were shot down during the battle. Secondly, that they initially did not have towers, and they went into battle only with a machine gun in the hull. Both of these explanations are plausible. Although it is known that the tram shop was bombed, and there was a lathe that was used to make the towers.

weaponry


The weapons on the "NI" were very different: two DT machine guns, a 37-mm cannon, Maxim machine guns, DShK, even a trench flamethrower. In any case, there has always been a variant with a hull diesel fuel. In various sources there is written evidence that the "NI" could have a 37-mm cannon. Candidates for the 37mm cannon are the PS-1, the M1930 1K and the M1915 trench gun.

Only a few T-26s had a 37-mm PS-1 cannon, and in 1933 a three-man turret with a 45-mm cannon (the most common version of the T-26) was already put into production, which put an end to the short life path of the 37-mm cannon variant of this tank.

There is no photographic evidence that NI ever had a 37mm M1932 turret cannon. On the other hand, there are reports that a 37-mm mountain gun was installed on the third prototype of the NI tank. There are at least two candidates for this weapon. The first is the M1930 1k cannon, which is known to have been in service during World War II, although probably in small numbers. The second candidate is mentioned in "Soviet tanks and combat vehicles of the Second World War," where S. Zaloga suggests that the 37-mm gun used was a 15R mountain gun. It is also possible, though, that he was referring to the 37mm M1915 trench gun, which was compact enough to fit in a small armored turret. So the fact that the 37-mm gun was installed in the makeshift turret is not a mistake, although it still remains unknown what kind of 37-mm gun it was.

But there is no photographic evidence of a 45mm gun mounted on the NI. Claims about the 45mm gun are widespread on the internet. Perhaps this is due to the fact that people simply confuse the KhTZ-16 (which was another makeshift tank) and "NI". However, how do you fit such a weapon into a makeshift turret? So most likely those who write about this are simply wishful thinking.


Another version of the tank "NI".

Krylov, in his memoirs, talks about trench flamethrowers made from soda water cylinders. But he does not claim that they were also used on NI tanks. Of course, if they were installed on these tanks, they would become an ideal psychological weapons... It is possible that the idea of ​​using trench flamethrowers on the "NI" came from the film "The Feat of Odessa, the second series" in 1986, which seems to depict an Odessa tank firing from a flamethrower (although it is also likely that the film simply shows the flash of a shot from its guns).

The document "Report on the Defense of Odessa" contains the following phrase:

“In mid-August, the plant of the January Uprising and the October Revolution organized the production of tanks and armored vehicles (made) of tractors and trucks. Installed 45-mm cannon and two Maxim machine guns. "


But again, there are no photographs to confirm the presence of such weapons.

Krylov does not talk about the DShK, and also about the ShVAK cannon (12,7 mm and 20 mm). It is possible that they could fit in a single tower, but there are no reliable sources to suggest that such weapons ever took place.

Armor


As for the armor, it was completely improvised on the NI tanks. Thin naval armor steel was supplied from shipyards and from the naval base.

The armor consisted of several layers of wood and rubber sandwiched between its sheets. The total thickness was approximately 10-20 mm. Factory tests have shown that such armor can withstand bullets and shrapnel, but does not protect against artillery shells.

From the inside, the superstructure was supported by wooden beams. There were two compartments - the engine in the front and the fighting compartment in the back, the driver sat in the middle on the right. The second shooter could sit on the left side of the car in a compartment similar to the driver's cabin, from where he could fire from a machine gun.

How effective the NI tanks were in battle can be judged on the basis of (Ion's) Antonescu's order from the 4th Army, which said:

“I demand all moral fortitude and energy ... Are you afraid of tanks? Our entire (front) ran 4-5 km only when 4-5 tanks appeared. Shame on such an army. "

In fact, Krylov's account confirms this message:

“After the first battle, the tanks thundered through the city streets again and returned to the factory for inspection. As verified, (shrapnel) and bullets only crushed them. A 45-mm shell hitting one of the tanks pierced the multi-layer armor, and fortunately, neither the crew nor the engine was damaged. In general, the tanks have been tested. "

Other sources commenting on this battle agree that the success of the NI tanks was based on the psychological effect of surprise. After all, the tanks, without artillery support, moved into the Romanian trenches. However, the Romanians could well have retreated because they did not have effective anti-tank weapons, and they did not expect to see tanks in this sector.


And one more "NI" from Odessa. Memorial of the heroic defense of Odessa 411th coastal battery.

At some point between August 30 and September 2, several NI tanks were handed over to Major General Vorobyov. Krylov recalls:

“Coming back from the 95th division, I thought about the people I met there, in particular about Vorobyov. It was not easy for him. Much had to be done differently than he saw it from his academic department or at the staff games. ... The war taught him to pay attention to anything that could strengthen our attacks on the enemy. One could imagine his reaction to tractors covered with sheets of iron if they were shown to him in peacetime. But now he was happy that his division had received several of these vehicles, and continued to ask for more, convinced that the Nazis were afraid even of such tanks.

By September all conventional tanks in Odessa had been overhauled, and the rest were NI tanks. Krylov even states:

"Wherever there were several tanks, people confidently went to the counterattack."

Krylov also recalls:

“On that day, the tankers especially distinguished themselves. The battalion of senior lieutenant N.I. Yudin, consisting mainly of armored tractors, actually acted independently, because the infantry could not keep up with him. Crushing enemies with caterpillars and mowing them down with fire, groups of tanks reached N of the item. Lenintal ".

Yudin later reported that his battalion had killed about 1 enemy soldiers. Even if this figure was not very accurate, there can be no doubt that on October 000, the "NI" tanks inflicted the greatest losses on the enemy since their first entry into battle.

Seeing that the infantry could not catch up with them, the tanks turned back. But they did not return empty-handed.

It turns out that the tankers sent their vehicles directly to the positions of the enemy artillery, smashing the gun crews. (Note that none of the Romanian soldiers, naturally, rushed under the tanks with grenades like our people). Therefore, the undamaged guns were then attached to armored tractors and delivered to Odessa. In total, the tankers brought with them 24 guns of various calibers and the same number of mortars and machine guns, since they were able to attach them to their vehicles and cannons.

But the tank battalion also suffered losses. Six or seven NIs were damaged by artillery fire or stopped due to technical problems. But most of their crews were rescued by tankers from other vehicles. Although the battalion commissar, senior political instructor Mozolevsky, went missing.
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  1. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 25 November 2020 18: 03
    -12%
    There was this article recently. Why launch a second time? Crisis in VO?
    1. kalibr
      25 November 2020 18: 08
      +19
      Sergey, why don't you even obliquely read what is written, but write a comment right away? This is a continuation of the previous material, and in terms of content they are not at all identical to each other. Do not think that there are cretins in the administration of the site.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 25 November 2020 18: 19
        +4
        Indeed, I did not understand. Call.
        1. kalibr
          25 November 2020 18: 37
          +5
          By the way, the minus is not mine. I am not humiliated to this.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 25 November 2020 21: 47
            +5
            the battalion commissar - senior political instructor Mozolevsky - disappeared.
            The author: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky

            hi
            A small addition from the site "Immortal Regiment":
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2020 18: 34
        +6
        Thank you for the continuation, Vyacheslav Olegovich, only one amendment - the tower on the late T 26 was two-seater. You have a typo - triple.
        1. kalibr
          25 November 2020 18: 36
          +6
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          You have a typo - triple.

          Yes, this is indeed a typo. You can contact the administration - fix it. I can no longer change the text from my side.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 November 2020 20: 29
            +5
            The armor consisted of several layers of wood and rubber sandwiched between its sheets. The total thickness was approximately 10-20 mm. Factory tests have shown that such armor can withstand bullets and shrapnel, but does not protect against artillery shells.

            I don't remember where I read it. Odessa NIs were sheathed with 2 or 3 inch ship armor lined with two 20 mm boards and a rubber insert between them.
            So it turned out 7,62 mm of armor steel, 20 mm board, rubber of unspecified thickness and 20 mm board. Only 35-40 mm. Everything is on a timber frame.
            30 mm (10 mm board, 10 mm rubber, 10 mm board) does not even hold a bullet from the PM. I went and checked.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 20: 54
              0
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Odessa NIs were sheathed with 2 or 3 inch ship armor lined with two 20 mm boards and a rubber insert between them.
              So it turned out 7,62 mm of armor steel,

              inch is 2.5cm. 76.2 mm armor?
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 November 2020 00: 43
                +3
                An inch is 2,54cm 3 * 2,54 = 7,62cm. Yes, and indeed a lot, perhaps it was about the old royal line. I remember that the thickness of the armor was up to 10mm for children.
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 25 November 2020 22: 33
          -1
          Combat use and especially the production of "NI" - this is one of the many glorious pages in the heroic defense of Odessa. It is very upsetting that the city had to be given up just like that, although it could still defend and pin down the Wehrmacht divisions for a very long time. But what to do, there was a glaring failure in the defense of Perekop, the Germans broke into the Crimea, which there was no one to defend. The seaside army withdrew from Odessa to defend Sevastopol ...
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 26 November 2020 14: 20
            0
            Currently, there is a continuation, and in almost all the warring armies of the world - the so-called gantraki.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2020 18: 18
      +8
      Quote: Aviator_
      There was this article recently. Why launch a second time? Crisis in VO?

      Here they write about 31 tanks.
      1. kalibr
        25 November 2020 18: 25
        +7
        Thanks for the valuable addition!
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 November 2020 18: 30
          +10
          Quote: kalibr
          Thanks for the valuable addition!

          Thank you for your work. Such articles bring VO well-deserved fame.
          1. kalibr
            25 November 2020 18: 34
            +6
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            bring VO well-deserved glory.

            I tried ... You also found an interesting document.
  2. BAI
    BAI 25 November 2020 18: 37
    +5
    According to reports from the Romanian side, the Romanian units that entered the city managed to capture at least two Odessa tanks (14 are mentioned in Wikipedia), but their fate is unknown

    In the comments to the previous article, I gave a photo showing 3 tanks that Romanians inherited. The participants in the discussion also presented similar photos. According to the photographs given in the discussion, at least 4 tanks went to the Romanians.
    Either the Romanians did not remember all the tanks, or the author did not find all the Romanian documents. And most likely - all at once, at the same time.
    1. kalibr
      25 November 2020 18: 42
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      Either the Romanians did not remember all the tanks, or the author did not find all the Romanian documents. And most likely - all at once, at the same time.

      It is the last ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 25 November 2020 18: 45
        +2
        You see - we can agree on something.
    2. Constanty
      Constanty 25 November 2020 21: 05
      -3
      Either I'm wrong (which is quite possible), or the soldiers in the photographs look more like Germans than Romanians.
      And yet such a tank after passing the front will not last long to be photographed with it much later - my great-grandfather, for example, in the vicinity of Stolovets in Belarus, being a blacksmith, dismantled 2 abandoned / damaged tanks - unlike the German ones, their steel is ideal for plowshares - according to grandfather. who helped his father at the age of 11. 6 days of work and apparently not much left.
      Of course, there were also enterprising, talented Russians near Odessa.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 22: 44
        +1
        Quote: Constanty
        Either I'm wrong (which is quite possible), or the soldiers in the photographs look more like Germans than Romanians.

        The Germans had special teams collecting destroyed trophy equipment. And the Romanians seem to have no need for such teams. Poor agrarian country. Although I may not be right.
        1. Constanty
          Constanty 25 November 2020 22: 59
          0
          I didn't really think about it.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 23: 51
          -2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          The Germans had special teams collecting destroyed trophy equipment. And the Romanians seem to have no need for such teams. Poor agrarian country. Although I may not be right.

          August 19, 1941 3rd room. army occupied Krivoy Rog. So the Romanian Cavalry Corps took 70 Soviet tanks as trophies.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 November 2020 00: 09
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            August 19, 1941 3rd room. army occupied Krivoy Rog. So the Romanian Cavalry Corps took 70 Soviet tanks as trophies.

            And I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. It's just that the Romanians were completely dependent on the Germans. It got to insanity, Romanian soldiers begged my captive grandfather for bread, a bag of which he pulled out of a burning plane. The German security guard did not let the Romanians into this plane, saying that the Russian was the owner.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 November 2020 00: 12
              -2
              ... It got to insanity, Romanian soldiers begged my captive grandfather for bread, a bag of which he pulled out of a burning plane. The German security guard did not let the Romanians into this plane, saying that the Russian was the owner.

              The story, of course, is wonderful, but I didn't understand a damn thing.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 November 2020 00: 18
                +3
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                but I didn't get a damn thing.

                I want to say that the Germans did not give a penny to the Romanians, and all their trophies could just grab themselves. The Romanians were considered one of their weakest allies. In Crimea, for example, according to Kozlov's memoirs, where the Germans took whatever they liked, the Romanians bought.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 23: 03
        -1
        ... Of course, near Odessa there were also enterprising, talented Russians.

        How politically correct laughing
        1. Constanty
          Constanty 25 November 2020 23: 21
          0
          As a young man in Poland, in spite of the ridicule of my peers, I loved to buy the Modelist-Constructor - it was there that you could see what kind of creativity to make something out of nothing, and because of the lack of many things Russians could do. Therefore, I have no doubt that during the war they used everything they could. Although I bought "Model Designer" mainly for the series "Sea Collection".
          1. kalibr
            26 November 2020 05: 45
            +3
            In general, I published a book in 1987: "Out of everything at hand". 87 thousand copies sold out in two weeks!
  3. faiver
    faiver 25 November 2020 18: 38
    +3
    In total, the tankers brought with them 24 guns of various calibers and the same number of mortars and machine guns.
    - good trophies ...
  4. svp67
    svp67 25 November 2020 18: 40
    +6
    "NI" is an ersatztank that did not appear from a good life. But what happened was and this truth must be known. And the main thing is to REMEMBER how dearly we paid for VICTORY.
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 25 November 2020 18: 42
    +5
    (Note that none of the Romanian soldiers, naturally, rushed under the tanks with grenades like our people).

    Well, I can't, it has been said a hundred times already, but ...


    Vyacheslav, thanks for the continuation. hi drinks
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 25 November 2020 18: 57
    +7
    The wonders of modern "installation" from Transnistria to the Balkans. wassat




    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 November 2020 19: 01
      +5
      And yet - a technique of the "bezrybe" type. request




      1. Reviews
        Reviews 26 November 2020 06: 21
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat


        "I want to be KV-2!"
    2. Gato
      Gato 25 November 2020 19: 02
      +7
      Another confirmation of the thesis that it is better to have at least some armored vehicle than none at all. This is so, a light kick to the supporters of a complete rejection of tanks.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 25 November 2020 20: 02
        +4
        Hello, Sergey! hi And the kick is absolutely fair, the situation when there is "something" is always better than the situation when "there is no shit." drinks
        1. Gato
          Gato 25 November 2020 21: 23
          +2
          Greetings! hi
          Yes, although I am a supporter of the situation "very little, or little, but you can't drag it away anymore" drinks
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 25 November 2020 21: 30
            +2
            Well, "according to Senka and a hat", "Panther" is a wonderful car, but ... all "BUT" you already know without me ... smile
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 25 November 2020 20: 02
        +5
        Our trophies are from Syria.





        Sorry for the quality of the photos
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 26 November 2020 10: 27
          +3
          Sorry for the quality of the photos

          Vlad, hello, I love ballet! drinks

          On the penultimate one is an English mine trawl. I wonder how he got to Syria? drinks
  7. deniso
    deniso 25 November 2020 19: 04
    +1
    Our tank is blind from what you want.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 November 2020 20: 06
      +6
      Craftsmen were always and everywhere enough, and "ours" here are far from the very first.

      1. kalibr
        25 November 2020 20: 33
        +4
        Konstantin! An article with pictures of Spanish BA "tiznaos" is already under moderation. There is also an upper car ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 November 2020 21: 11
          +4
          Vyacheslav, I regret that I climbed "across the daddy into hell", but the topic is this ...
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 25 November 2020 20: 48
        +5
        Our tank is blind from what you want.
        As always under such publications on VO, one cannot do without an attack of leavened patriotism.

        In 1940, as Britain was preparing for the proposed landing of the Germans, the famous racer Sir Malcolm Campbell offered to arm tractors, arm and guard the airfields.
        The photo shows the first prototype based on the "Agric" model produced in the late thirties.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 November 2020 21: 09
          +2
          Well, our NI will be somehow cooler. smile
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 21: 53
            +2
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Well, our NI will be somehow cooler. smile

            Hi, Kostya. Check out this Italian hand Job)
            Ethiopian front, sometime in the summer of 1941. There is no data on this miracle, it seems like on the basis of the "Caterpillar D6". Plus four 6.5mm Fiat revolves.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 26 November 2020 00: 46
              +3
              Paragraph! Well, only if the Ethiopians. laughing And "Revelli" is completely useless there, and it's so scary, the main thing is to go. wassat
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 21: 09
          +2
          Yes, all this was invented by Dr. Liptak from Austria-Hungary in 1913, when he proposed to book a Holt tractor model 1910)))
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 25 November 2020 23: 01
        +5
        Hemeyer demolished half of the city in his "tank".
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 25 November 2020 19: 20
    +3
    Thanks to the author, as always interesting!
  9. Generator Systems
    Generator Systems 25 November 2020 19: 21
    +1
    I don't know why, but I liked this armored stool wink
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 November 2020 22: 26
      0
      Quote: Systems Generator
      I don't know why, but I liked this armored stool wink

      hrenase - "stool" .... Chest of drawers soon. Or a buffet.
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  11. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 26 November 2020 12: 08
    0
    And one more "NI" from Odessa. Memorial of the heroic defense of Odessa 411th coastal battery.

    And in Kubinka, what is it worth? Copy or original?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 26 November 2020 20: 59
      +2
      There are no originals left. Another question is where does NI come from in Kubinka?
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 27 November 2020 10: 34
        +1
        Good afternoon Vladislav,
        I naively thought that in Kubinka there is an original according to the logic that there are all originals.
        I did not photograph the plate, but in my opinion nothing was said about the copy: something like: "Tank NI and then a description of the whole Odessa epic with them."
        And I already posted his photo:

        He really stood there a little to the side.
  12. Kirill Petrov_2
    Kirill Petrov_2 29 November 2020 09: 27
    0
    It has long been proven that apart from prototypes there was nothing, there is no specifics at all, and there are none of these very NI in any report officially compiled and signed by those who are supposed to. I advise the author to stop expressing fantasies - at that time everything was registered, and you cannot name a single mechanical driver. NI-monument - made after the war. In short, one bullshit ...