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An attempt to suppress the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic Fleet with the AGM-88E

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As you know, literally a week and a half earlier, Jay Annis, Director of the Northrop Grumman Armamment System Division / NG-ASD, made a very bold recommendatory statement addressed to the defense department and the Polish Air Force command within the in Warsaw a conference on military-technical cooperation. In his speech, a high-ranking representative of one of the leading military-industrial giants of the United States in a very original way tried to push the representatives of the Ministry of National Defense of Poland (MON) who participated in the conference to conclude a multimillion-dollar contract for the supply of several dozen long-range anti-radar missiles AGM-88E AARGM to the Polish Air Force. for further integration into the ammunition load of two air wings of the F-16C / D Block 52+ multipurpose fighters in the amount of 48 vehicles.

The operational-tactical potential of AGM-88E AARGM anti-radar missiles in group use against the Kaliningrad anti-aircraft zone A2 / AD


As the main argument in favor of the purchase by the Polish side of the "Northrop" deeply improved HARM family of radars, Mr. Annis called the ability of these means of high-precision weapons “To overcome the echeloned anti-missile barrier of the Kaliningrad zone of restriction and prohibition of access and maneuver A2 / AD with tactically verified use from the hardpoints of the Polish F-16C / D Block 52+”.

Meanwhile, despite all the solidity of the post occupied by Jay Annis in Northrop Grumman, which assumes a detailed awareness of the competent person both about the technological advantages and disadvantages of his own company products, and about the technical parameters of the potential adversary's weapon systems, the above statement of the director of NG-ASD has an extremely little in common with an objective assessment of the operational-tactical and tactical-technical features of the use of anti-radar missiles AARGM against the most powerful mixed anti-aircraft missile group, which is at the disposal of the 183rd and 1543rd anti-aircraft missile regiments of the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic fleet The Russian Navy, the command and staff infrastructure of which is deployed in Gvardeisk (Kaliningrad region).

In particular, the aforementioned combat units are armed with the following air / missile defense systems:

- at least one updated anti-aircraft missile division S-300V4, which has a 9S15M4 radar detector, a 9S19M4 "Ginger" high-potential program review radar, a 9S457M4 combat control point, as well as 4 anti-aircraft missile batteries (as part of four multi-functional missile guidance / lighting stations / target designation (MSNR) 9S32M4, eight vertical paired launchers 9A82M4, four paired launchers 9A84M4, 16 quad launchers 9A83M4 and 8 quad launchers 9A85M4) + one anti-aircraft missile battery of an earlier modification S-300V1 / 2, used by combat calculations of the 44th division for training purposes (when working out tasks to intercept aerodynamic and ballistic targets of a simulated enemy) and having a 9S32 illumination and guidance radar, a 9S457 combat control point, two 9A82 launchers, one 9A84 ROM, four 9A83 launchers and two 9A85 launchers;

- six S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile divisions (one anti-aircraft missile system) and two S-300PS / PM1 anti-aircraft missile regiments (one anti-aircraft missile regiment), represented by 6 PFAR illumination and guidance radars 92N6E, two RPNs of the same purpose 30N6 / E1, one 96L6 all-altitude detector, one 76N6 low-altitude detector, one 55K6E combat control point, one 5N63S or 54K6E PBU, 72 5P85SE2 quad launchers and 24 5P85S / D launchers;

- and finally, several batteries of military self-propelled air defense systems "Tor-M2U" and anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems "Pantsir-S1", covering the "dead zones" (distances from the positions of divisions to the near borders of the affected zones) of all the above modifications of the long-range "Three hundred".

The total target channel of illumination and guidance radars of the above-described mixed anti-aircraft missile group stationed in the Kaliningrad region is more than 110-120 simultaneously processed enemy aerospace attack weapons, which include the anti-radar "brainchild" of the Northrop Grumman corporation promoted by Jay Annis ... Therefore, it is quite logical to assume that even the hypothetical use of the entire fleet of F-16C / D Block 52 multifunctional fighters equipped with 192 AGM-88E anti-radar missiles will not allow the Polish Air Force command to achieve the expected result in eliminating the key A2 / AD air defense zone of the Russian Armed Forces on Baltic theater.

Based on the fact that 200-mm antenna arrays of active-passive radar seeker WGU-48 / B increase the effective reflective surface of AARGM anti-radar missiles to 0,1 sq. m (similar objects are captured by 92Н6Е and 9С32М4 illumination radars for "precise auto tracking" at a distance of 120-150 km), and their flight speed on the marching leg of the trajectory barely reaches 2 km / h, it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that up to the moment two hundred AGM-350E missile launchers reach the terminal section of the trajectory (to the target area), the attacked anti-aircraft missile battalions S-88V300, S-4PS300 and S-1 "Triumph" will have time to fire on the attacking "alongside" about three volleys from 400-200 long-range anti-aircraft missiles 234M9M, 82M9M, 83N48E6 and 2N48DM, which will be quite enough to neutralize 6-85% of the attacking "squad". After all, it is well known that AGM-90E AARGM 2,2-fly anti-radar missiles do not have the ability to carry out intense anti-aircraft maneuvers with overloads of 88-20 G, therefore, they will turn into the simplest targets for the above list of missile interceptors. The single AGM-30E, which broke through into the 2-6-kilometer “dead zones”, “Three hundred”, will be safely intercepted by the 88M9 / 331 and 338E57 short-range missiles launched from the transport and launch modules of the Tor-M6U air defense missile system and the Pantsir-C2 air defense missile system. ...

Moreover, in order to avoid hasty erroneous conclusions and further biased statements, Mr. Annis would not hurt to take into account the fact that unique ultra-long-range missiles 300М4МВ were integrated into the ammunition of the newest military air defense systems S-9В82, capable of intercepting not only AGM flying along a flat trajectory -88E, but also the multifunctional fighters F-16C / D Block 52+ that are their carriers, reaching the low-altitude launch lines of AARGM missiles (they are only 100-120 km due to the consumption of most of the solid fuel charge to overcome dense layers of the troposphere), in the mode enveloping the terrain, outside the radar view sectors of the illumination of the attacked air defense missile systems (behind the "screen" of the radio horizon).

A similar ability of the 9M82MV anti-aircraft missiles (as well as the 9M96DM missiles, which in the foreseeable future can supplement the S-400 air defense missile systems) is achieved due to the presence in the element bases of their guidance systems of the newest active radar seeker of the Slate line from the Moscow Research Institute Agat. The latter do not need regular illumination from the side of battery-operated illumination / guidance radars and can receive target designation from third-party radar and radio-technical reconnaissance equipment, including A-50U AWACS aircraft, airborne radars of tactical aircraft aviation Aerospace Forces of Russia, as well as radar systems and RTR stations of ship and ground based, which is ensured by equipping the inertial navigation modules of the above missiles with transmitting and receiving terminals of a two-way asynchronous data exchange line. Consequently, even in a complex jammer, the S-300V4 air defense system (and in the future the S-400 Triumph) will be able to destroy the F-16C / D Block 52+ of the Polish Air Force outside the radio horizon and before reaching the launch line of the vaunted AGM anti-radar missiles -88E AARGM.
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  1. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 19 November 2020 05: 35
    69
    There was no attempt to suppress the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic Fleet with the AGM-88E.
    There was an attempt by the author of the article to suppress the brains of readers with a large number of abbreviations of military equipment.
    The attempt is not valid. hi
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 19 November 2020 05: 42
      30
      Quote: A. Privalov
      There was an attempt by the author of the article to fill the brains of readers with a large number of abbreviations of military equipment.

      So this is Damantsev - he is crushing the reader again with his intellect.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 November 2020 07: 30
      15
      Damantsev in the morning ... It's tough, as the younger generation says now.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 19 November 2020 08: 47
        11
        Yeah, a lot of letters. belay
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 November 2020 10: 44
      +6
      In this case, I agree with you ...
    4. Hypertension
      Hypertension 19 November 2020 13: 37
      16
      Quote: A. Privalov
      There was an attempt by the author of the article to suppress the brains of readers with a large number of abbreviations of military equipment.
      The attempt is not valid.

      Speak for yourself, please. I still have a rapid heartbeat and dazzle in my eyes ...
    5. Undecim
      Undecim 19 November 2020 14: 28
      14
      Just read the headline, I immediately realized that another blizzard from Damantsev. His writing is very reminiscent of the comments of the bot under the nickname gridasov, which consist of a mass of non-commonsense technical terms.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 19 November 2020 17: 16
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        Just read the headline, I immediately realized that another blizzard from Damantsev. His writing is very reminiscent of the comments of the bot under the nickname gridasov, which consist of a mass of non-commonsense technical terms.


        This is more like the one who wears the nickname Romario Agro ...
        The same folding mathematician comparing a whale and an elephant ...
        That there is Mald, Jasm-EP, etc. and I didn't even think about their role in breaking through and destroying air defense.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 19 November 2020 19: 11
        +5
        Do not scold Gridasov, without him it will be boring on VO.
      3. gridasov
        gridasov 20 November 2020 10: 41
        -1
        No offense, you will be told, but you are not working with big data analysis techniques. Because you and the article are not for the future, and to me claims. I don't write for everyone. First of all. I write for people with a certain level of intelligence. And the article is quite normal for perception. The enemy cannot only be underestimated.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 20 November 2020 11: 39
          +6
          Gridasov, I have no claims no. You like to generate all sorts of nonsense - for God's sake. Maybe some important experiment is being conducted on you, such as Black Hadoop, or you are a participant in any program for the destruction of collective intelligence through the influence of big data, together with the author as experimental subjects. A kind of crowdsourcing, on the contrary. Judging by your last comments and articles by the author, the program is developing successfully.
      4. Volder
        Volder 20 November 2020 22: 58
        -2
        Just read the headline, I immediately realized that another blizzard from Damantsev.
        Is there anything to argue specifically on the merits, refuting the above facts Damantsev?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 21 November 2020 01: 19
          +3
          I have a much better suggestion. You can substantiate them ("Damantsev's facts").
          1. Volder
            Volder 21 November 2020 17: 36
            -3
            Quote: Undecim
            I have a much better suggestion. You can substantiate them ("Damantsev's facts").
            It is a pity that you can neither refute nor confirm Damantsev's words. I see no point in your dismissive concussion.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 21 November 2020 17: 45
              +3
              I see no point in your dismissive concussion.
              Problems of Indians to the sheriff don't care.
              1. Volder
                Volder 22 November 2020 13: 21
                -3
                Before shaking the air next time, be sure to arm yourself with arguments. For emotional unfoundedness makes you frivolous in the eyes of others.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 22 November 2020 20: 49
                  +3
                  See previous comment.
      5. peter rusin_2
        peter rusin_2 22 November 2020 20: 25
        -1
        Answer your blizzard - at least in the evening - give birth, sparkle with intellect!
      6. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 23 November 2020 14: 30
        0
        His writing is very reminiscent of the comments of the bot under the nickname gridasov, which consist of a mass of non-commonsense technical terms.
        I wrote this about a year ago - the bot is scruffy
    6. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 28
      +9
      Quote: A. Privalov
      There was no attempt to suppress the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic Fleet with the AGM-88E.
      There was an attempt by the author of the article to suppress the brains of readers with a large number of abbreviations of military equipment.
      The attempt is not valid. hi

      The author simply saved on abbreviations. and as a result, the number issued the abbreviations he used could not exceed the total channeling of the brains of VO readers. smile
      Need more Gold abbreviations!
    7. Imobile
      Imobile 19 November 2020 21: 23
      -2
      It was demagoguery ...
    8. Volder
      Volder 20 November 2020 23: 02
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      There was no attempt to suppress the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic Fleet with the AGM-88E.
      Why then is this missile being offered to Poland? What will she do with her? It is obvious that Poland is arming against Russia.
  2. sergej987
    sergej987 19 November 2020 05: 36
    25
    Will there be a war only between Kaliningrad and Poland?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 19 November 2020 16: 11
      +7
      So I think, and with what fright Poland will rush to Kaliningrad alone? The situation that Damantsev considered is implausible. If Poland is going to fight against us, it will definitely not be alone, there will be NATO members in charge. Damantsev somehow tried to explain that we had enough forces for Poland, but he kept silent about NATO modestly.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 19 November 2020 18: 06
        +8
        well, in this case, he considered a specific situation ... but you need to understand that in the event of a big war, NATO will have more aircraft and drones, and we have more air defense systems, not to mention the fact that in the event of a war, the Poles will lose more aircraft ground than in the air ..
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 20 November 2020 14: 17
          -2
          not to mention the fact that in the event of war the Poles will lose more aircraft on the ground than in the air ..

          The lessons of the Second World War are past again? The attacking side always has an advantage in the form of a surprise strike, so who more planes on the ground will lose a big question at the same time, and given the development of roads in Europe, they will obviously not sit down at home airports so that the Iskanders will be under attack
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 20 November 2020 16: 08
            +5
            1) who said about the "sudden" impact,
            2) Russia has enough weapons
            3) about "they will land on the autobahns ... but what, these autobahns have become invisible and they do not need infrastructure? Even if they decide to take several kilometers of the route under the airfield, the RER will very quickly find where the planes are flying.
            4) not to mention the fact that I do not remember the NATO exercises, where landing on the track was practiced.
        2. Volder
          Volder 20 November 2020 23: 14
          -3
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          in the event of a major war, nato will have more aircraft and drones
          It is far from certain that NATO will dare to fight against the Russian Federation with its full complement of countries. Rather, it is quite the opposite: the West has so intimidated itself with the "Russian threat" that not everyone will dare to risk getting a response from Russia. Moreover, in the NATO charter there is no obligation for members to help each other with troops. How and how to help a belligerent country is decided independently by each country. That is, they can simply send humanitarian aid.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 20 November 2020 23: 18
            +1
            In general, there is an opinion that NATO and the Americans will not really fight on their own, but will try to drag Russia into a series of minor conflicts in order to force the economy to drop and cause popular anger against the current government ..
            1. Volder
              Volder 21 November 2020 00: 07
              -1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              in general, there is an opinion that NATO and the Americans really will not fight themselves
              This opinion is not without foundation.
              will try to drag Russia into a series of minor conflicts
              That is why Russia prefers not to get involved anywhere, limiting itself to small deliveries of equipment, sending peacekeepers, patrolling by naval ships, and using several aircrafts and helicopters of the Aerospace Forces. There is no full-scale retraction and will not be.
      2. Volder
        Volder 20 November 2020 23: 08
        -2
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        If Poland is going to fight against us, then it will definitely not be alone, NATO will be in charge there.
        There is a possibility that in the event of a conflict between Russia and any Western country (for example, Poland), other NATO countries will actively join the war. NATO members have no such obligation. The NATO Charter says that other countries must somehow help a belligerent country, but how and how to help - each country decides independently. They can simply send bread, so long as a response from Russia does not arrive.
  3. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 19 November 2020 05: 43
    22
    A2 / AD
    “Excuse me,” he exclaimed with youthful importunity, “but there are no Lauren-Dietrichs in the race. I read in the newspaper that there are two Packards, two Fiats and one Studebaker.
    - Go to hell with your Studebaker! - shouted Ostap. - Who is Studebaker? Is this your relative, Studebaker? Is your daddy Studebaker? Why are you clung to a man ?! In Russian they tell him that the Studebaker has been replaced at the last moment by Lauren-Dietrich, and he is fooling around. Studebaker! Studebaker!
  4. Runway
    Runway 19 November 2020 05: 43
    14
    44 Air Defense Division BF - VKS disbanded? Aftoru success in typing characters.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 19 November 2020 07: 06
      11
      Quote: WFP
      44 Air Defense Division BF - VKS disbanded?

      What caused the question? Just a quick glance - "The 44th Air Defense Division is one of the youngest formations of the air defense of the Russian army. The division was formed on December 1, 2014 on the basis of the 3rd Aerospace Defense Brigade. th and 183rd anti-aircraft missile regiments, as well as the 1543st radio technical regiment. "
      No reason for sarcasm yet. There is no information that this division has been disbanded. Moreover, there are no military-political grounds for this. On the contrary, everything suggests that the group should be strengthened and the degree of its autonomy should be increased.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 19 November 2020 07: 26
        +4
        The man simply did not master the article in the morning. But he knows that such a division is standing to protect the borders of our Motherland.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 46
        +4
        Quote: Hagen
        What caused the question?

        PMSM, the question is caused by the fact that air defense divisions with regiments on the S-400 are usually subordinate to the Aerospace Forces.
        But not in Kaliningrad - everything is subordinated to the KBF.

        The 44th air defense division is generally an interesting animal: it simultaneously has the country's air defense system and the military air defense air defense system. Apparently, due to the small area of ​​the Kaliningrad region, they decided not to duplicate the air defense structures there. Otherwise, one regiment would have to be subordinated to the flyers, and the other to the "boots". And all of them - naval. smile
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: WFP
      44 Air Defense Division BF - VKS disbanded?

      Welcome to reality. In which all the forces stationed in the Kaliningrad region are subordinate to the KBF.
      As a result, the fleet had its own army corps and its own air defense division.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 19 November 2020 06: 01
    16
    Here in the morning positive. Articles by Damantsev add pepper to our blood. laughing
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 19 November 2020 07: 24
      +6
      How to say. recourse In one article there was an expression - Turkey has removed the mind from the palaces. I have never seen anything like it, never. I wrote it down, learned it, I hope to say someday, not about Turkey, but according to the circumstances. ... I hope for a similar cool expression again. Until I met in subsequent articles recourse ....... Sometimes I represent the face of the director or founder, if I said so .... wassat
  6. bairat
    bairat 19 November 2020 06: 08
    15
    Who is not lazy can count the number of words in Damantsev's sentences. There are more and more of them. There are two options: either he wants to set a record in this area, or the dot does not work on his keyboard.)
    The topics are interesting, but you can also be closer to the people and write in a more digestible format.
    1. SOF
      SOF 20 November 2020 09: 32
      0
      ... just a person, assessed as "excellent", speaks Russian .... wink
      .... once N. Perumov (such a fantasy writer) decided to publish his book in the states ... and could not ... not because the publisher did not like it, but because .... it was too difficult .. .... not literally, but according to the meaning, he was told: "write easier .... he went .... she took .... Less commas and more monosyllabic sentences" .....
      .... something like that ..... but it seems to me - the clever people there are not a standard of human intelligence ...
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 November 2020 06: 13
    17
    At first I even tried to delve into the meaning, formulate counterarguments.
    Then he realized the futility of the undertaking.
    Damantsev, such a Damantsev.
    And why is it posted in the "analytics" section.
    Apparently it's time for the editors to start a section "verbal balancing act".
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil 19 November 2020 08: 21
      +7
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      At first I even tried to delve into the meaning, formulate counterarguments.
      Then he realized the futility of the undertaking.
      Damantsev, such a Damantsev.
      And why is it posted in the "analytics" section.
      Apparently it's time for the editors to start a section "verbal balancing act".

      I agree with you. We need a new section. You can call it "Conjectures" and take money from Damantsev for placing his writings. All the site is profit.
    2. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 20 November 2020 22: 40
      +2
      At first I even tried to delve into the meaning, formulate counterarguments.
      Meanwhile, the article contains a lot of absurdities. But I will give only one: the weight of the missiles of the s-300 and s-400 complexes is more than 2000 kg. The weight of the European anti-radar crap is about 500 kilograms, I generally keep quiet about their price. Is this the task of the long-range complex? The task of the s-400 is to shoot carriers, AWACS aircraft in the end. The S-300v4 is generally a missile defense system capable of intercepting ballistic targets, and the ultra-long-range missile from this complex, mentioned by Damantsev, generally weighs under 4 tons, but it costs ... And Damantsev considers the target channels, he lined up all the radars and launchers in a row and counts)))
  8. Lex_is
    Lex_is 19 November 2020 06: 24
    20
    Destroy radars with missiles
    Gavrila was spectacular ...
  9. certero
    certero 19 November 2020 07: 12
    10
    If you spend s-300 and s-400 missiles to destroy anti-radar missiles, there will be nothing left for aircraft.
    In general, if the enemy has time to produce such a powerful salvo, then there is nothing more to catch.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 19 November 2020 08: 53
      +5
      In general, if the enemy has time to produce such a powerful salvo, then there is nothing more to catch.
      Will not have time. Airplanes from the radioactive desert do not take off.
      1. Shket53
        Shket53 20 November 2020 04: 29
        +1
        But yes ... the adversary can definitely try if he has time ... But as they say ... after us only SILENCE ... even on air
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 November 2020 05: 52
          0
          So the problem is that it is not AFTER us, but INSTEAD of us. Instead of our children (do you have them, by the way?), I will remind home nuclear militarists.
          And do not care that "but they also all died." What will we have if we use your script ??
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 22 November 2020 06: 01
        0
        So is the opponent (in your version) - why bomb the radioactive ruins here?
    2. cmax
      cmax 19 November 2020 16: 44
      0
      Quote: certero
      If you spend s-300 and s-400 missiles to destroy anti-radar missiles, there will be nothing left for aircraft.
      In general, if the enemy has time to produce such a powerful salvo, then there is nothing more to catch.

      In vain they nominated you. So it is, whoever hits first will win. If a couple of radar stations are disabled in the first minutes, windows in the air defense defense will immediately appear and away we go. Oops ... In theory, one thing, but in practice it will. Those who defend themselves are always in a less advantageous position. These missiles are only one component for an attack (more drones, pilot aircraft, cruise missiles ... barging ammunition, decoys, and a receiver can add).
      1. K-50
        K-50 19 November 2020 17: 28
        +5
        Quote: cmax
        In vain they nominated you. So it is, whoever hits first will win. If a couple of radar stations are disabled in the first minutes, windows in the air defense defense will immediately appear and away we go. Oops ... In theory, one thing, but in practice it will. Those who defend themselves are always in a less advantageous position. These missiles are only one component for an attack (more drones, pilot aircraft, cruise missiles ... barging ammunition, decoys, and a receiver can add).

        Quote: cmax
        In vain they nominated you. So it is, whoever hits first will win. If a couple of radar stations are disabled in the first minutes, windows in the air defense defense will immediately appear and away we go. Oops ... In theory, one thing, but in practice it will. Those who defend themselves are always in a less advantageous position. These missiles are only one component for an attack (more drones, pilot aircraft, cruise missiles ... barging ammunition, decoys, and a receiver can add).

        And in response we have one missile division from somewhere near Yoshkar-Ola, Novosibirsk, or wherever they are hiding there, as it gets wet and from Poland, a "hole" will remain, boiled soil.
        Who will celebrate their "victory" then?
        1. cmax
          cmax 19 November 2020 21: 01
          -4
          Quote: K-50
          Quote: cmax
          In vain they nominated you. So it is, whoever hits first will win. If a couple of radar stations are disabled in the first minutes, windows in the air defense defense will immediately appear and away we go. Oops ... In theory, one thing, but in practice it will. Those who defend themselves are always in a less advantageous position. These missiles are only one component for an attack (more drones, pilot aircraft, cruise missiles ... barging ammunition, decoys, and a receiver can add).

          Quote: cmax
          In vain they nominated you. So it is, whoever hits first will win. If a couple of radar stations are disabled in the first minutes, windows in the air defense defense will immediately appear and away we go. Oops ... In theory, one thing, but in practice it will. Those who defend themselves are always in a less advantageous position. These missiles are only one component for an attack (more drones, pilot aircraft, cruise missiles ... barging ammunition, decoys, and a receiver can add).

          And in response we have one missile division from somewhere near Yoshkar-Ola, Novosibirsk, or wherever they are hiding there, as it gets wet and from Poland, a "hole" will remain, boiled soil.
          Who will celebrate their "victory" then?

          If they strike at Kaliningrad, then the strategists, all the more, all the coordinates have long been known. Submarines, I would not trust. There are few strategists and they are followed by a personal hunt with US boats. They have a lot more percussion. Taking into account the fact that near the borders of Russia all the seas are crammed with systems (hydrophones), any strategist's exit to a combat position will be recorded and the submariners will play the role of suicide bombers.
          This is reality. The only way to survive is to hit first, if that. Putin spoke about this too. All other options are a loss, with the destruction of the country.




          I personally don't believe in
          1. Shket53
            Shket53 20 November 2020 04: 39
            -1
            In vain ... No, do not think that I am trolling for Mr. VVP ... everything is very simple ... If this is my feeder, and they want to take it away from me .... so don't get it to ANYONE ... and SILENCE .. . and all over the world
            1. Mikhail Tynda
              Mikhail Tynda 21 November 2020 02: 27
              0
              Where is your feeder?
          2. Volder
            Volder 20 November 2020 23: 27
            -2
            Quote: cmax
            If they strike at Kaliningrad, then at the strategists all the more, all the coordinates have long been known.
            There are no strategists in Kaliningrad.
            There are few strategists and they are followed by a personal hunt with US boats.
            Looking for strategists in the sea is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
            Taking into account the fact that near the borders of Russia all the seas are crammed with systems (hydrophones)
            This is a lie, no need to invent.
            any exit of the strategist to a combat position will be recorded and the submariners will play the role of suicide bombers.
            No, it is not.
            1. cmax
              cmax 21 November 2020 10: 42
              0
              Quote: Volder
              Quote: cmax
              If they strike at Kaliningrad, then at the strategists all the more, all the coordinates have long been known.
              There are no strategists in Kaliningrad.
              There are few strategists and they are followed by a personal hunt with US boats.
              Looking for strategists in the sea is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
              Taking into account the fact that near the borders of Russia all the seas are crammed with systems (hydrophones)
              This is a lie, no need to invent.
              any exit of the strategist to a combat position will be recorded and the submariners will play the role of suicide bombers.
              No, it is not.

              You shouldn't be like that, the enemy should be treated with respect, especially mattress toppers and especially with their financial and technical capabilities.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 November 2020 05: 59
          0
          Have you ever played chess? You know, BOTH opponents make moves there.
          And on the other hand, a figure similar to the missile division can be involved.
          To turn the territory of Poland into a "hole", you will have to use almost ALL available nuclear arsenal (what a gift to your opponent!).
          I understand, I want to write something bombastic ..
  10. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 07: 23
    +7
    It was smooth on paper ... With all the aggression of advertising of our air defense systems, I don't see any comparable effectiveness. In reality, they either have missiles of the wrong system, or the coverage area aside, or the operators.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 19 November 2020 12: 14
      -5
      Then you do not understand anything either in air defense or in who and where stands and for whom what is used, for example, in Syria. Air defense is not a genie, is not omnipotent, air defense is a system consisting of aviation, several types of detection radars, and air defense systems of various ranges. You do not understand, you have a brain of the wrong system. Would you go to the army, preferably in the air defense.
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 19: 26
        -4
        In the army, I think after 25 years, nothing has changed much, but no .. instead of 2 years, now they sweep the parade ground for 1 year. And at the expense of air defense in Syria, here you are right. He is not omnipotent, he is powerless. For so many years, more than one interception, only the loss of the Tori and the lengthy reasoning of experts that everything would have been spikes if not for ... Then there is a whole set of routine excuses. And yet, yes, my brain is not the same system, it is able to think logically and to critical analysis, which I wish and yours is striving for and not stupidly suck in Rosvooruzhenie advertising brochures
        1. Mikhail Tynda
          Mikhail Tynda 21 November 2020 02: 41
          +2

          This F16 in February 18th himself shot himself? How many "Thors" did they lose?

          Have these also killed themselves? And more ... Before you speak - think and study the topic. At least at the level of an amateur.
  11. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 November 2020 08: 02
    +6
    It is not necessary to shoot all the 300k ammunition on cheap AGM-88E AARGMs. And on the second raid, by any means, be left without anything.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 19 November 2020 11: 33
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      It is not necessary to shoot all the 300k ammunition on cheap AGM-88E AARGMs. And on the second raid, by any means, be left without anything.
      Only the author will do this. The rest of the Newsboy will turn on everything, the AGM-88E AARGM will be used up by themselves, without firing at them.
    2. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 19: 31
      -3
      Even ten years ago I read if I am not confusing anything that the United States in only one tomahawk in a non-nuclear version is capable of launching 2500 from the ground, air, sky .. well, how to deal with it? The BC will not be enough, and no one will give time to recharge. You don't even need to invent "radio" stupidly falls asleep in quantity
      1. K298rtm
        K298rtm 19 November 2020 22: 02
        +2
        Nobody canceled the queuing theory.
        1. SARANCHA1976
          SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 22: 25
          -2
          The main word is theory
          1. Mikhail Tynda
            Mikhail Tynda 21 November 2020 02: 45
            0
            Oh her to her. To school! Immediately! Main service word wink And theorems also have a theory ... Are they also in a landfill?
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 21 November 2020 11: 46
              +1
              The main word is theory. In distant communism, when from the dynamic characteristics of the T80 turbo, the generals got their breath in their craw and they drew arrows to the La Manche in two weeks, this is a theory, and when they were asked the question of how you respected will quickly refuel and service these machines, they preferred to switch to other pressing issues. . this is practice
              1. Mikhail Tynda
                Mikhail Tynda 22 November 2020 03: 48
                +1
                Take the trouble to study the theory of queuing, why it is called that and its application in PRACTICE, then we'll talk.
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 22 November 2020 07: 30
                  -1
                  To get started, work hard and learn the theory of Darwinism
  12. Toucan
    Toucan 19 November 2020 08: 11
    10
    Another set of "letters", sometimes turning into outright nonsense. A person who understands at least a little what we are talking about, unless he writes this:
    one anti-aircraft missile battery of an earlier modification S-300V1 / 2, used by combat crews of the 44th division for training purposes
    The air defense systems of the first modification of the S-300V1 without "heavy" missiles were built very few, and they have not been in our armed forces for a long time. The S-300V2 air defense system was not serially built and cannot be in the army. No.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 54
      +4
      Quote: Tucan
      The air defense systems of the first modification of the S-300V1 without "heavy" missiles were built very few, and they have not been in our armed forces for a long time.

      In Kaliningrad, anything can happen. There, until 2012, the S-200 was in service. smile
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 19 November 2020 16: 02
        +3
        Do you want to say there is S-300V2 too? belay At present, almost all S-300Vs with "heavy" missiles have been upgraded to the S-300V4 level, and do you sincerely believe that the defective S-300V1 remained in the troops?
        And let's ask Sergey Linnik to make an article on this topic, obviously it will not be Damantsev's bileberd.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 20 November 2020 15: 01
          +9
          Quote: Tucan
          And let's ask Sergey Linnik to make an article on this topic

          No thanks, no need. No. We have come a time when for publishing on this topic, even if the materials are collected exclusively in open sources, you can get it in full. Let Damantsev write his "bileberda", he will definitely not be attracted. The brains of the examiners will explode while his articles are read ... wassat
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 20 November 2020 14: 58
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Tucan
        The air defense systems of the first modification of the S-300V1 without "heavy" missiles were built very few, and they have not been in our armed forces for a long time.

        In Kaliningrad, anything can happen. There, until 2012, the S-200 was in service. smile

        Stood. yes The last S-200VMs near Severodvinsk in the Arkhangelsk region and near Gvardeisky in the Kaliningrad region were decommissioned in 2010-2012. Now, two S-400 missile launchers are deployed at this position a few kilometers north of Gvardeisk.


        Regarding the S-300V1 / 2, this is undoubtedly another author's fantasy.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 21 November 2020 17: 09
          0
          -So these are the C-75 positions ... There are no such positions left in nature ...
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 21 November 2020 17: 17
            +1
            Quote: saygon66
            So this is the position of the C-75 ... There are no such things in nature ...

            Betting on a bottle of whichever beverage you choose, this is not the C-75 position, and has never been? wink
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 21 November 2020 17: 51
              +3
              - Tea is not bottled! laughing
              - But then everything is even worse than I thought .... Suddenly the enemies do not know that the 200s are scrapped.

              - It seems all the same ...
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 21 November 2020 17: 57
                +2
                Quote: saygon66
                Tea is not bottled!

                I have a 15-year-old Koktebelsky. Not ?
                Quote: saygon66
                But then everything is even worse than I thought .... Suddenly the enemies do not know that the 200s are scrapped.

                Enemies are well informed, much better than our common man. By the way, there were also S-200Vs in Poland. Somehow I will get together, I will make an article on this topic.
                Quote: saygon66
                It seems all the same ...

                Not really... No. The linear dimensions and shape of the position are different, which is associated with the size of the missile defense system and the location of spare missiles, the loading unit, and the design and dimensions of the launcher at the C-200 position.
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 01
                  0
                  - It's tempting ... smile
                  - Now life has become more interesting - I will build a bunker! With such a neighborhood ... am
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 05
                    +4
                    Quote: saygon66
                    Now life has become more interesting - I will build a bunker! With such a neighborhood ...

                    I know many places where there are ready-made and not occupied, even multi-storey ones.

                    This is a budget option, there are also more abrupt ones.
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 08
                      +2
                      - In such, the devastation is continuous ... And the volumes are industrial, even if you call in a collective farm.
                      I would have something easier -
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 15
                        0
                        Quote: saygon66
                        In such, the devastation is continuous ... And the volumes are industrial, even if you call in a collective farm.

                        The one in my photo is better inside than outside. Of course, you need to put things in order and put the door. But water does not drip from above.
                        Think, otherwise the bear will settle there, it will be problematic to drive him out.
                      2. saygon66
                        saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 18
                        0
                        - For seeing a live bear in our area - I would definitely put down! wink
                      3. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: saygon66
                        - For seeing a live bear in our area - I would definitely put down! wink

                        Duc come to us. But you will definitely not like the meeting with the bear. I met several times, I didn't like it. belay
                      4. saygon66
                        saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 31
                        0
                        - I have no doubt ... But the very absence of bears is upsetting ... The latter were knocked out at the end of the 50s ... Now only in the zoo! sad
                      5. Bongo
                        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 34
                        0
                        Quote: saygon66
                        I have no doubt ... But the very absence of bears is upsetting ... The last ones were knocked out in the late 50s ... Now only in the zoo!

                        But in the Far East they are in abundance. Almost no one hunts a bear, and given the fact that the taiga is being actively cut down and they have nowhere to live, this becomes a problem.
      3. Bongo
        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 00
        +2
        The deployment of the S-300P and S-400 missile launchers on the former S-200 positions is common. The size of the position and the capital bins make this very convenient.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 05
          0
          - The network gave out all sorts of different configurations! I wonder what is connected with?
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 07
            +2
            Quote: saygon66
            The network gave out all sorts of different configurations! I wonder what is connected with?

            Are you talking about the S-200 position? The one in my photo is the main one. There are two more options, but they were rarely used.
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 15
              0
              - Yes!

              - This one seems to be typical, and also built over the hill - In Iran, it seems ...
              And he sends it to VO every other time ... request
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 18
                +2
                This is not typical. No. The starting form is as follows, but usually no more than 2-3 target channels (ROC). In Iran, there are only two launchers at the starting position.
              2. saygon66
                saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 33
                0
                - Strange! But what about camouflage on the ground? It is enough to see once ...
              3. Bongo
                Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 35
                +1
                Quote: saygon66
                Strange! But what about camouflage on the ground? It is enough to see once ...

                What is the disguise for a virtually stationary complex? All positions of the air defense system are well known.
              4. saygon66
                saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 37
                0
                - So they don't even apply to the terrain ... Disposable ... what
              5. Bongo
                Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 45
                +3
                Quote: saygon66
                That is, they don't even apply to the terrain ... Disposable ...

                In a special period, if circumstances permit, the S-300P / S-400 air defense systems should be relocated to reserve positions. It takes about 30 minutes to roll up the target without a low-altitude detector tower. The S-200 has a clotting time of one day. Do not forget about SOC P-14 and PRV as well. This technique is also virtually stationary. In part, these shortcomings of the S-200 were compensated for by the firing range, which was only surpassed by the S-400, after the start of deliveries to the troops of 40N6 missiles. But there are still very few such missiles.
      4. Bongo
        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 29
        +2
        Quote: saygon66
        And he sends it to VO every other time ...

        So basically I wrote about the S-200. lol
      5. saygon66
        saygon66 21 November 2020 18: 35
        +2
        - The circle is closed! laughing
      6. Bongo
        Bongo 21 November 2020 18: 37
        +3
        I am asleep, I already have a deep night. I was glad to talk!
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 November 2020 11: 40
    0
    Quote: saygon66
    -So these are the C-75 positions ... There are no such positions left in nature ...

    The C-75 position is usually the Star of David.
    At one time, one of these abandoned positions around the Zhiguli hydroelectric power station was long and stubbornly mistaken for an ancient temple.
    The riddle that attracted the attention of the evangelists of several new movements at once is a structure of seven earthen ramparts of a ring-shaped shape near the village of Zhiguli. The media spoke about this “formation” in 2005, when it was photographed by V. Pylansky from a paraglider. The figure consists of a circle with a diameter of 60 m, around the central circle at an equal distance from each other there are 6 identical circles with diameters of 20-30 m. The circles are made of earthen embankments, up to 6 m thick and up to 2 m high. In each of 7 circles 2-3 openings are made, up to 3 m wide.
    There were many explanations for this riddle. This was called the UFO launch pad and the first surface effect, a replica of external radiation exposure by the energy of the superpower of 11-dimensional space-time (combined electromagnetic, strong and weak interactions). In the documentary film "The Abode of the Gods," Evgeny Bazhanov called this artifact the Solun Temple, linking it with the temple of ancient Slavic Aryans, sun- and moon-worshipers, who allegedly lived on the territory of Samara Luka many centuries ago.

    And then the enthusiasts, who were tired of these shamanic dances, just looked at satellite photos of the surroundings. And we found several more similar structures on the territory of abandoned air defense units. Moreover, these structures are located in a ring around the hydroelectric power station. The verdict was unambiguous: "The Solun Temple" is an abandoned position of the S-75 complex.

    And the C-200 position is a "bank". Well, or "fifth point" - as you see it. smile
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 24 November 2020 12: 54
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      The C-75 position is usually the Star of David.

      Not always. No. such positions were built in the middle of the 70s.
      Quote: Alexey RA
      And the C-200 position is a "bank". Well, or "fifth point" - as you see it.

      Also, not necessary. No.
    2. saygon66
      saygon66 24 November 2020 13: 33
      0
      -These paranormal psychos are the same everywhere ... laughing We have the same thing - they found, they say, the place of Power - the ancient Prussians and everything around it ...
  • Yuri Tverdokhleb
    Yuri Tverdokhleb 19 November 2020 09: 32
    +2
    I do not even understand, on the Military Review is the Day of Missile Forces and Artillery not date ??
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 November 2020 10: 31
    +8
    This is where the diagonal reading technique came in handy ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 19 November 2020 11: 28
      +4
      diagonal reading technique ...

      dotted line smile
  • Asad
    Asad 19 November 2020 11: 16
    11
    Please write the author's name at the beginning of the article!
    1. faiver
      faiver 19 November 2020 12: 56
      +3
      why, I determine the name of this author by the titles of the articles, and I suspect those who have been on the site for more than one year too bully
      1. Asad
        Asad 19 November 2020 13: 15
        +2
        Thank you, I will pay attention!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 55
      +2
      Quote: ASAD
      Please write the author's name at the beginning of the article!

      Readers were warned with the acronym already in the title. smile
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 19 November 2020 19: 37
        0
        To defeat the mind of the amerskag lobbyist, in propaganda, it is possible to hit him with a bent-legged stool (with a hole for his hand in the seat) on the head.
        Damantsev is a young man.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 19 November 2020 11: 27
    +5
    it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that until two hundred AGM-88E radar missiles reach the terminal section of the trajectory

    A swarm of drones of some sort. These 2 hundreds of PLRL not fight among themselves for goals?
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 November 2020 12: 11
    +9
    What is this nonsense? Firstly, to shoot S300 and S400 missiles, especially long-range missiles, is simply stupidity at the PRLR, this is to leave the air defense without missiles. Secondly, according to the author of other planes like bombers, there will be no KR and Poland with a fool decides to go to war with Kaliningrad alone, just for fun. Plus, Russian aviation will disappear somewhere, such as the A50 will fly, but there will be no fighters, there will be only observation of Polish planes and missiles.
    In short, he described a duel between two idiots, in the style of the 19th century.
    Several mysteries for me:
    1. How the radar can increase the RCS of the target, I still do not understand.
    2. How will F16s launch missiles without entering the firing zone and why are they not destroyed at a range of 100 - 120 km?
    3. Where did the Russian electronic warfare equipment go?
    1. faiver
      faiver 19 November 2020 12: 58
      +6
      Don't you know about a spherical horse in a vacuum? lol
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 15: 59
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      1. How the radar can increase the RCS of the target, I still do not understand.

      Apparently, due to the presence of an antenna working as a reflector, which cannot be successfully deployed or hidden behind a casing that absorbs radio radiation.
    3. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 19: 35
      -1
      The region borders on Poland, so the lords have no problems launching gifts from their territory
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 19 November 2020 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: sergej987
    Will there be a war only between Kaliningrad and Poland?

    The first 10 days, yes. Well, NATO is natural. I think we can hold out so much here.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 19 November 2020 21: 22
      +1
      In a few hours, a blow will be struck on the territory of Poland from the main territory of Russia, including aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic, after which Poland will cease to exist as a military unit. At the same time, NATO will observe and consult, since there are no suicides because of Poland.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 November 2020 01: 20
        +1
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        At the same time, NATO will observe and confer, since there are no suicides because of Poland.


        And most importantly, it never happened. And the last time the West threw them 81 years ago. But they don't want to remember this ...
      2. Shket53
        Shket53 20 November 2020 05: 09
        +3
        Here I completely agree with you ... Here everyone in this Russia is blind and deaf ... and our intelligence is thumping ... and the concentration of troops of a potential enemy, well, just no one will notice ... And yet you are right and no one is for This Pshekia (contemptuously) will not fight with us (his shirt is closer to the body) But straining because of a puddle (also contemptuously) will always be ... The Union has been ruined, they want to repeat it. for this, hotbeds of tension (Psheki and others like them) are needed, but they will NEVER fight directly ... because we will simply erase them
  • Al Asad
    Al Asad 19 November 2020 12: 16
    +2
    Quote: Yuri Tverdokhleb
    I do not even understand, on the Military Review is the Day of Missile Forces and Artillery not date ??

    https://topwar.ru/177230-19-nojabrja-den-raketnyh-vojsk-i-artillerii.html
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 19 November 2020 12: 36
    -1
    Quote: NDR-791
    In general, if the enemy has time to produce such a powerful salvo, then there is nothing more to catch.
    Will not have time. Airplanes from the radioactive desert do not take off.

    As soon as the Poles get the PRLR in a marketable quantity, call the Polish ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and show on the Polish globe the coordinates of the flight assignments of two three regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    Let him sign that he is familiar and drive him home.
    1. faiver
      faiver 19 November 2020 13: 00
      +4
      Let him sign
      - can you just notify by mail?
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 19 November 2020 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      call the Polish ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and show the coordinates of the flight missions of two three regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces on the Polish globe.

      Are you saying that Poland should not rely on NATO and should have its own nuclear weapons? I agree.
    3. Petio
      Petio 19 November 2020 21: 50
      +3
      There will be enough Iskandeov with special warheads
  • alstr
    alstr 19 November 2020 14: 58
    +4
    And where did the entire Baltic Fleet go, which also has air defense systems. And aviation?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 16: 00
      +3
      Quote: alstr
      And where did the entire Baltic Fleet go, which also has air defense systems. And aviation?

      And they didn't do it anywhere - everything listed in the article is the KBF. For the Kaliningrad region is its area of ​​responsibility, and in it practically everything is subordinated to the fleet.
    2. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 19 November 2020 16: 32
      +3
      Well that's why ?! Now Damantsev has a new reason to write one more zappy article about what the Baltic Fleet can oppose to a hundred flying wunderwaves! Not that ...
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 19 November 2020 19: 37
        +1
        Yes, to be honest, the Baltic Fleet is not strong either.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 20 November 2020 10: 30
          +3
          Quote: SARANCHA1976
          Yes, to be honest, the Baltic Fleet is not strong either.

          It seems to me that at present the ground forces of the Red Banner Baltic Fleet are much more powerful than its surface and submarine forces. smile
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 19 November 2020 16: 28
    +6
    Please write to the author at the beginning of the article. Thanks. And to not respected Damantsev - turn on your brain if the United States (from Poland) wants to oversaturate air defense targets in any area - they will send there a wave of hundreds of decommissioned cruise missiles that are still stored in storage bases, such as the Tomahawks. Or volleys of long-range MLRS. And that the air defense systems listed by you will be silent? Think about it, and it's enough to look for an excuse to write something like that - especially in the "if so if only" series. Go to work, and not scribble some bullshit.
    1. DLord
      DLord Yesterday, 20: 15
      0
      Тут вообще надо писать «Осторожно! Даманцев! Литературный садизм!»
  • nikolai.shupenin
    nikolai.shupenin 19 November 2020 16: 31
    +5
    and where is the answer, one defense
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 November 2020 16: 51
    +4
    "The latter do not need regular illumination from the side of battery-operated illumination / guidance radars and can receive target designation from third-party radar and radio-technical reconnaissance equipment, including A-50U AWACS aircraft, airborne radars of tactical aviation aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, as well as radar systems and RTR stations for shipborne and ground-based, which is ensured by equipping the inertial navigation modules of the aforementioned missiles with transmitting and receiving terminals of a two-way asynchronous data exchange line. F-300C / D Block 4+ of the Polish Air Force outside the radio horizon and before reaching the launch line of the vaunted AGM-400E AARGM anti-radar missiles. "///
    ----
    Dear Author. I have quoted ONE sentence from your article.
    There are approximately SEVENTY words in that.
    Even Leo Tolstoy did not write that long.
    Learn to break long sentences into short ones.
    Then you can try to understand your thoughts. fellow
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 November 2020 16: 57
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Dear Author. I have quoted ONE sentence from your article.

      Let me make a mistake: these are two sentences - between "data" and "Hence" there is a dot.
      However. this does not negate the cumbersomeness and illegibility of the first sentence.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 19 November 2020 19: 43
      0
      Then you can try to understand your thoughts.

      not Einstein. he will end up with something when there was nothing like a general view ...
  • K-50
    K-50 19 November 2020 17: 16
    -4
    Do crustaceans itching to say that if they "offend" the Kaliningrad region, then in return they will deal with all of Russia !!! am am
    What will be left of your "priesthood" then? Brick ruins and a handful of former lords? Do you need such a result? fool
    So while you live, live calmly, without showing off! Finally eat the apples, to spite us! fellow wassat
  • ankir13
    ankir13 19 November 2020 18: 00
    +6
    I recognized Damantsev by the title
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 19 November 2020 20: 07
    +3
    If it is stupid to take statistics, then 10-20 percent of the missiles released will reach the target. Those. 50 shot, 5-10 flew
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 19 November 2020 21: 21
    0
    For the sake of interest, take a look at the analysis of air defense operations in Yugoslovia.
  • atalef
    atalef 19 November 2020 22: 30
    +6
    This is not an attempt to pull an owl onto a globe, it is
    -
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 November 2020 22: 34
    0
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: NDR-791
    In general, if the enemy has time to produce such a powerful salvo, then there is nothing more to catch.
    Will not have time. Airplanes from the radioactive desert do not take off.

    As soon as the Poles get the PRLR in a marketable quantity, call the Polish ambassador to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and show on the Polish globe the coordinates of the flight assignments of two three regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    Let him sign that he is familiar and drive him home.

    The Poles took the hint when rocket copables with Calibers arrived in Kaliningrad and transferred Iskander.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 November 2020 09: 09
    -1
    And what prevents the Poles from banging an Amy bomb on their border, and two seconds later, two missiles to suppress those who were blind to receive but still emitting radars flew? Timing and agreeing on goals is easy.
  • Evgeny K._2
    Evgeny K._2 20 November 2020 19: 21
    +4
    Does the author even know if the S-300 missile is worth it compared to the AGM? About the S-400 missiles, if they actually exist, I am already silent. It is cheaper to destroy the airfields of their carriers with a nuclear strike. True, from the sane commanders of the ZRV, no one is going to shoot their divisions at AGMs, Sidewinder, Javelins and other crap. This is not their task, 300 and 400. But the author does not know anything about this and does not understand the topic, which for some reason he took up. Has the shta noticeably crowed Glory-Glory
  • 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 20 November 2020 19: 36
    0
    Or maybe you shouldn't react to NATO aircraft flights, well, it flew, well, it flew in, we did not react, but as we became insolent, we overwhelmed one and again silence, let them break the boss - what are the capabilities of Russian air defense systems.
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  • yfast
    yfast 21 November 2020 11: 59
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    ... equipped with 192 AGM-88E anti-radar missiles, will not allow the Polish Air Force command to achieve the expected result in eliminating the key A2 / AD air defense zone of the Russian Armed Forces in the Baltic theater of operations.

    If you subtract 192 from 120, you get 72 bottles of vodka.
  • brat07
    brat07 21 November 2020 18: 53
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    Jay Annisson?
    He is forgiven!
    What are you talking about! laughing
  • Berkut752
    Berkut752 21 November 2020 22: 07
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    Wow, my head is already spinning.
  • Mexsikanec
    Mexsikanec 21 November 2020 22: 24
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    Lots of bukaf and numbers wassat
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 23 November 2020 12: 17
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    "against the most powerful mixed anti-aircraft missile group at the disposal of the 183rd and 1543rd anti-aircraft missile regiments of the 44th Air Defense Division of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Navy, the command and staff infrastructure of which is deployed in Gvardeisk (Kaliningrad region)."

    a no-brainer that a hypothetical operation to suppress this air defense grouping will not include only the launch of an anti-missile defense system. the only question is whether the Polish Air Force has all the forces and means necessary for this. Including simulators of air targets such as ADM-160A MALD / ADM-141, electronic warfare aircraft / suspended electronic warfare containers, anti-radar UAVs, etc. (JASSM CDs that can be used against reconnaissance forces and air defense systems they have, plus the HIMARS division will soon arrive with OTR ATACMS, there is a contract for 32 pieces of F-35, upon reaching the initial operational readiness of the first squadron in 2028)
    There are already examples in history when powerful air defense groups were defeated by joint actions of the Air Force and electronic warfare systems and UAVs (Operation Medvedka-19), it is clear that the Polish Air Force can participate in such hostilities only as part of a NATO grouping, and in this case, everything you need they should be.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 November 2020 15: 45
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    This will not be the suppression of the Kaliningrad air defense, it should be an attack on the Kaliningrad region with all forces and means, Because their radars and their airfields and their headquarters and bridges and oil depots and railway junctions will also be affected. No one will sit quietly to watch and catch Shrike. This is not Israel's shelling of Syria. And given the fact that you can get targets all over Europe, this is an expensive pleasure. Will it fly from the mainland too ?! Or will Kaliningrad itself shoot back?
  • Evgeny Kelpsh
    Evgeny Kelpsh 23 November 2020 16: 38
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    You don’t think it’s impudence, but I’m still a radio telemechanic of the engineering troops of the USSR Armed Forces. And he studied the science of electronic warfare closely and for a long time. Yes, there was a stage in our arms race when our "partners" were superior to us, again, at the tactical level of command, no more and no less. Yes, "smash" is a technology, going into super high-frequency communication, yes, the network construction of radio control and communication lines gave its effect. But we didn’t sit idly by. And our electronic warfare is at the level. At a very good level. And where electronic warfare is at the level, and UAVs fly badly and for a short time. Once again, I’m not a historian, I’m a techie. My diploma project at the School was "Radio line for controlling terminal devices in the operational-tactical link", and this was 30 years ago. We have grown over the years)))
  • DLord
    DLord Yesterday, 20: 08
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    Представим, что я шпийон и, через силу, с упорством достойным похвалы, осиливаю сей высокотехнологичнолитературноизысканнейший опус. Что я вижу 110-120 каналов, норм. Где стоит? В Гвардейске? Отлично. Все что нужно это расфигарить квадрат массированным артобстрелом. Заведомо дешевле и эффективнее чем какие то заумные ракеты. От Гвардейска до границы около 30км.