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"Great Exodus" of Wrangel's army

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"Great Exodus" of Wrangel's army
White fleet off the Bosphorus


The fall of the white Crimea


In the course of stubborn battles on November 7-11, 1920, the Red Army broke the resistance of the Wrangelites in the Perekop and Chongar directions. The commander-in-chief of the Russian army, Wrangel, decided to evacuate troops from the Crimean peninsula. On November 12, the remnants of the White troops began a hasty retreat to the coast, to the ports. The remnants of the 1st and 2nd Army, Cavalry Corps retreated to Simferopol, then to Sevastopol and Yalta. The 3rd corps, the Donets and the Kubans, the reserve 15th division went to the Kerch Peninsula, Feodosia and Kerch. Their retreat was covered by armored trains, which with machine-gun and artillery fire threw back the leading Red units.

In the battles with the Red Army in Crimea, white armored trains distinguished themselves: "St. George the Victorious", "Dmitry Donskoy", "United Russia", "Officer" (was surrounded and died in battle) and "John Kalita". "Georgy" and "United Russia" reached Sevastopol, where their crews were put on ships. Heavy armored trains "Ioann Kalita" and "Dmitry Donskoy" covered the withdrawal of the remnants of the Don corps, so their crews were taken out of Kerch.

The civilian population of the white Crimea was in a state of ignorance until the last day. In order not to create panic and not to strengthen the position of the Crimean partisans, Wrangel, immediately after the fall of Northern Tavria on November 4, spoke to the press, where he kept silent about the negative consequences of the retreat of the White Army. To say only that the withdrawal of the army was organized and with minor losses. Although in reality the white corps in Tavria fell into the "cauldron" and broke through with heavy battles, losing half of their composition.

Wrangel assured that the Crimean "besieged fortress" would hold out, and then the White Army would go on the offensive again. That the West, which is also threatened by Bolshevism, should help. A similar message was made by the army headquarters.

This became the basis for a new wave of jingoistic patriotic campaign. Myths spread about the "Perekop fortress", which would lay down the best regiments of the Red Army. They say that there are even too many white troops to defend the isthmuses.

Although, as previously noted (How the Red Army broke through to the peninsula), the preliminary preparation of the defense of the Perekop and Chongar directions was carried out very badly. In fact, there was no long-term defense in depth.

Basically - field positions, often poorly and insufficiently prepared. The best units (the Drozdovites, the Kornilovites, etc.) were exhausted and drained of blood by previous battles. Heavy artillery was scarce. Many parts were demoralized and broken.

The Red Army had a significant (not only quantitative, but also qualitative) superiority. The white command, obviously confident that the Crimea would no longer need to be defended, did not use a rather long period of time to create powerful fortifications on the isthmuses.

Wrangel missed the available opportunities for the total mobilization of forces and means in the Crimea, including the arsenals in Sevastopol, ship guns, the entire potential of the white fleet.

Evacuation


Wrangel's headquarters, although it had some information about the power of Frunze's southern front, underestimated the enemy. The white command believed that defeat was possible, but not as quickly as it turned out in reality. Therefore, Crimea lived quietly for several days. Only the most far-sighted gathered things and looked for places on the steamers.

The disaster at the front on November 8-11 was like a bolt from the blue for many. On November 10, at a meeting between Wrangel and Defense Chief Kutepov, it was decided to start evacuating the rear. For this, requisition of all private ships in ports was carried out. They began to load hospitals and central institutions. The white government applied to France for asylum.

On November 11, 1920, when the last defense lines were crumbling, Wrangel ordered the evacuation of the families of the military, civilian officials, individuals - everyone who could not stay on the peninsula. The evacuation plan was already in place. Ships and vessels were distributed among units, government and logistic institutions, families of military personnel and civil servants. The ships that remained after the distribution were intended for civilians who wanted to leave Crimea.

The White Army, by a strange coincidence, was lucky. The Red Army stopped for one day. White managed to break away by 1-2 transitions. Only a day later did Soviet troops begin pursuit.

The southern front advanced in two groups. The first group: the 6th army, the 2nd and 1st Cavalry armies - to Evpatoria, Simferopol, Sevastopol and Yalta. The second group: the 4th army and the 3rd cavalry corps - to Feodosia and Kerch. On November 13, the Reds were in Simferopol, on the 14th - in Evpatoria and Feodosia, on the 15th - in Sevastopol, on the 16th - 17th - in Kerch and Yalta. The cities were occupied without a fight.

On November 14, the commander-in-chief of the White Army, Wrangel, boarded the flagship of the White Black Sea Fleet, General Kornilov (formerly Ochakov). On board the cruiser were also: the headquarters of the commander-in-chief, the headquarters of the fleet commander, a special department of the headquarters of the fleet, the State Bank, the families of the officers and the crew of the cruiser. Only 500 people.

However, dozens of stokers of this cruiser refused to leave Sevastopol and went ashore. Therefore, only half of the boilers were started up, and the crossing of the sea was difficult.

An entire armada left Crimea: 1 battleship (General Alekseev - former Alexander the Third), 1 old battleship (George the Victorious), 2 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 12 minesweepers, 4 submarines, more than 120 transport and auxiliary vessels. They took out over 145 thousand people (not counting the crew members). Of these, more than 100 thousand were related to the army, and the rest were civilians.

There are other data on the number of evacuees. In them, the numbers are slightly different.

It should be noted that the Crimean evacuation, in contrast to the Odessa and Novorossiysk, went quite calmly, orderly and without any special incidents. Order was maintained by military units, which had extraordinary powers to eliminate any disturbance.

There was no military pressure from the Red Army. Units and civilians were loaded without fear that they would be captured at any moment. A large number of ships and vessels also contributed to the order. Were mobilized: the entire military and merchant fleet, as well as all watercraft that could cross the sea on their own or in tow. Also, some of the people were loaded onto foreign ships - French, British, etc. It is clear that they could not take everyone (civilians).

The white command did not start pogroms: to destroy all property, equipment and warehouses. All the material resources of the White Army were transferred under the protection of the trade unions.

Although in some places the city "bottom" still arranged devastation.


General P. Wrangel during the evacuation. November 1920


Delivery of the French fleet


On November 11, the flagship of the French squadron in the Black Sea, the heavy cruiser Waldeck-Rousseau (Le croiseur cuirassé Waldeck-Rousseau), arrived in Sevastopol from Constantinople. Rear Admiral Charles Henri Dumesnil was on board. He negotiated with Wrangel. The Baron offered France his entire military and merchant fleet in exchange for the evacuation of his army.

On November 15, Wrangel visited Yalta, where the commander-in-chief checked the progress of the evacuation. Then to Kerch, where the Donets and Kubans were loaded. On the morning of November 17, the flagship of the White Fleet headed for the Bosphorus.

The trip was difficult. The ships were jammed. For example, on the destroyer "Grozny" with a crew of 75, there were over 1 people on board. Many overloaded ships barely crawled, there was not enough water and food.

But on the whole, the evacuation was successful: only one ship went missing - the destroyer Zhivoi (257 people were killed, mainly from the Don regiment). Another team of one minesweeper took the ship back to Sevastopol.

After arriving in Constantinople, negotiations began on the future of the army with the French occupation authorities. Most of the civilians joined the ranks of the white emigration. Some settled in Constantinople, others went to Greece, Serbia, France, scattered around the world.

Wrangel's army (hoping for its use against Soviet Russia) tried to save. The Baron and his associates believed that soon a European great power (or a group of countries) would start a war with Russia. This is what the White emigres were preparing for.

The army was stationed in a camp on the Turkish peninsula in Gallipoli (Turkey) - mainly from the 1st corps of Kutepov. In addition, troops were stationed on the Greek island of Lemnos, Greece, as well as in Serbia and Bulgaria.

The headquarters of the commander-in-chief remained in Constantinople. The fleet, reorganized into the Russian squadron, was transferred by the French to the Tunisian Bizerte (Bizerte, Tunisia).

The vast majority of merchant and auxiliary vessels (over 100 pennants) were sold by the baron to private owners.

The teams were placed in camps where they lived in poverty.

The remaining ships were sold for metal after a few years, as well as all the remaining heavy weapons.


"George the Victorious", internal raid of Bizerte, 1920s
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  1. Ham
    Ham 18 November 2020 05: 28
    10
    The vast majority of merchant and auxiliary vessels (over 100 pennants) were sold by the baron to private owners.

    The teams were placed in camps where they lived in poverty.

    that's all you need to know about Wrangel ...
    1. Far B
      Far B 18 November 2020 05: 36
      13
      And about the overwhelming majority of the "leaders" of the white movement: Kolchak, Krasnov, Ataman Semenov Itede and Tepe.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 November 2020 08: 20
        19 th
        Quote: Dalny V
        And about the overwhelming majority of the "leaders" of the white movement

        The leaders of the White movement, the lawful State of the Russian-Russian Heroes, allveterans, front-line soldiers, comfrey, awarded many times, wounded at the fronts of all wars for Russia since 1877 .

        Unlike "leaders" national traitors- who never worked anywhere and did not serve overage loafers who called for ... the victory of the German and Japanese invaders, shameful cowards and deserters who spent their time from the wars in Switzerland and the parish. Logically led the country to never before in the history of the world (in terms of victims) civil war, the millions of victims of countless famines of 1920-1940 with cannibalism unprecedented in Russia, hundreds of thousands of executions of citizens unprecedented anywhere in a peaceful year, millions of exiles of peasants and even ... the exiled millions of "dangerous" CHILDREN, the destruction of Russian culture and monuments of the Russian people, mockery of the graves of the Russian heroes Minin and Pozharsky, etc., the total NON-freedom of the people in everything and, ultimately,to the RUSSIAN Cross and the borders of Russia of the 17th century.

        Under the leaders of Russia, this has never happened and, accordingly, would not have happened in 1922-1991.
        1. Far B
          Far B 18 November 2020 08: 40
          27
          The cocaine player Kolchak, the Germanophile Krasnov and the sadist ataman Semyonov will not lie, for sure.
          In contrast to the "leaders" of national traitors, who have never worked anywhere and have not served large-aged loafers
          Thirty-five years after coming to power, the overgrown loafers, part-time national traitors, won the greatest war in history and brought the country to the second place in the world in terms of economic power. What can your cocaine addicts and the rag tsar boast of?
          leading the country to civil war victims never seen before in the history of the world
          Civil began your honor, do not distort. And yes, I have already asked you to give proofs about "victims of GW never seen in the history of the world." For some reason you did not give. Are you ashamed?
          the multimillion victims of countless famines of 1920-1940
          What about the hungry years in the tsarist period, eh? You have already been given statistics more than once, yes, you see, not in the horse feed.
          Under the leaders of Russia, this never happened and would not have happened in 1922-1991.
          And here I neigh with pleasure, yes. If they could not cope with a small one (to win a victory in the Civil War over a gang of loafers who were diving from wars in Switzerland and Paris), then how would they cope with a big one (to bring a huge country to prosperity)? Your "leaders" only knew how to flutter their tongues. Everyone got so bad that even the anarchist Zheleznyak told them - hare gunning, the guard got tired of warming soup, marching home. And all of you - "yes, with them ...", "yes, they would ..."
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 18 November 2020 11: 09
            17 th
            Quote: Dalny V
            Cocaineist Kolchak,.
            belay fool lol You should remember your "eroev" - "military" People's Commissar Krylenko with his LONG ECZEM lol hiding in the infirmary from the front, the military "People's Commissar Ovseenko-DEZERTIRA from the military echelon to the RYAV front from subordinate soldiers, the military" People's Commissar of the alcoholic Dybenko, who got drunk from Narva to ... Samara lol
            Quote: Dalny V
            Thirty-five years after coming to power, the overweight loafers, part-time national traitors, won the greatest war in history and brought the country to the second place in the world in terms of economic power.


            PRICE - don't you remember?
            It's a shame, right?
            A-it is necessary, Fedya, it is necessary:

            - Civilian casualties 10-15 million
            - Victims of communist famines (without 1921-22) about 9 млн
            - victims of executions [b] 0,75 million
            - victims of exile peasants 30-33g 0,6 million
            - victims of camps 2 million
            -DEMOGRAPHIC DISASTER: Stalin 1934: "We are 168 million." Stalin 1930, 1935: "we are growing by more than 3 million annually." 1937 census: population 162 million
            Where 15 million people ?! angry
            - military losses of 27 million in a war, which simply would not exist without a thief - in view of 1945, already in 1918
            Fold it yourself?

            And yes, hack into your forehead: not a single generation of Russians born after 1910 did not reproduce itself.
            Quote: Dalny V
            Your honor began to civic, do not distort.

            stupid lie! Tie a knot - there was NO GW before the THIEF! and for the hundredth time I ask you to explain: WHY do the tens of millions of Russian citizens who chose a different power in the elections should have recognized the power of the loafers who turned out to be in the elections?
            Quote: Dalny V
            What about the hungry years in the tsarist period, eh? You have already been given statistics more than once, yes, you see, not in the horse feed.

            LIE, as always: there was NOTHING similar, compared to your unthinkable famines, carefully concealed by shameful disgracers, there was NEVER in Russia. As in the world
            Quote: Dalny V
            And here I neigh with pleasure, yes.

            Yes, I know who laughs! yes
            Quote: Dalny V
            GW over a gang of loafers who dived from wars across Switzerland d

            the gang captured ALL the weapons of the 12 million army. And with her methods of "persuasion" (hostage, executions, blackmail), you would sing God Save the Tsar! "From morning to night
            Quote: Dalny V
            how would you handle a big one (bring a huge country to prosperity)?

            THEY created the largest country in the world - Russia... which inept and idiots, in just 70 years have led to Russian cross, borders of the 17th century, first places in the world by abortion, alcoholism, suicide, divorce, murder. smoking.
            And another touch: the number of children-TEBILS with your "craftsmen" has grown ELEVEN times.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 18 November 2020 12: 18
              11
              And yes, hack it on your forehead: not a single generation of Russians born after 1910 has reproduced itself.

              Your favorite Demoscope


              This is the number of children per woman by generation. Moreover, as you can see, the same indicator, but the graphs are different. And all because it is enough to take a different generation length and get a different final result when recalculating. But this is not the point - all the same, in both charts, below 2,1 fell significantly later than 1910.
              And the most interesting thing in the third picture

              This is precisely the dynamics of the net reproduction rate, that is, the lines do not show natural expression (the number of children per woman), but the ratio of the number of children in the next generation to the previous generation. It can be clearly seen when there has been a trend towards a decrease in the number of children. Urbanization, however, does its part.
            2. Hantengri
              Hantengri 18 November 2020 15: 28
              10
              Quote: Olgovich
              - Civilian casualties 10-15 million

              Where did you get these numbers from? Those. who, when, based on what data and by what methodology made the calculation?
              Quote: Olgovich
              - Victims of communist famines (excluding 1921-22) about 9 million

              Famine 32-33 - 3,2 - 3,4 million victims, maximum. Hunger in 47 - 0,7 - 1,2 million. The remaining 5, more than a million. Where did you get it?
              And, yes - I can substantiate my numbers and I have already done it here.
              Are you yours? Although, what am I talking about? You and math are two incompatible things. You just took someone else's calculations and accepted them on faith. I would very much like to know the names of the authors and the titles of the works from which you fished out your 9 million.
              1. Kisa
                Kisa 19 November 2020 00: 25
                +1
                Quote: HanTengri
                I can justify the numbers

                What is your idea for classifying the 37th census? and only in 90m opened ???
                the first link to Vika - the result is significantly lower than the estimated 162 million after industrialization and famine and bookkeepers were put up against the wall ...
                sadly this is all - in Paris every third taxi driver was Russian. in Harbin, 3 thousand Russians were dissolved with Chinese porters.
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 19 November 2020 00: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: kitty
                  What is your idea for classifying the 37th census? and only in 90m opened ???
                  the first link to Vika - the result is significantly lower than the estimated 162 million after industrialization and famine and bookkeepers were put up against the wall ...
                  sadly this is all - in Paris every third taxi driver was Russian. in Harbin, 3 thousand Russians were dissolved with Chinese porters.

                  Kisa, me. did not understand what you already want? Count numbers, or hysteria hysteria? These are two big differences. Figures don't like tantrums. And hysteria can't stand numbers.
                  And don't read Aunt Vicki's letters before dinner! It is not good for digestion.
                  Better go to http://istmat.info and you will be happy!
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 18 November 2020 16: 09
            11 th
            Quote: Dalny V
            Cocaine Kolchak

            Cocaine addicts are Bolshevik women and red women.
            It is reliably known that many Baltic sailors, the stronghold of the Bolsheviks, were consummate cocaine addicts. The mixture of cocaine with ethyl alcohol or other strong alcohol, which they introduced into use, prolonged and intensified the effect of taking the drug. The fathers-commanders, who did not lag behind their subordinates, set up the "Koke-Club" in Kronstadt, its members used the "marafet" themselves and distributed it among their colleagues. Because of drugs, fierce fights often broke out between sailors and officers; pharmacies in Kronstadt and Petrograd were regularly attacked by armed raids.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 November 2020 11: 14
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              Cocaine addicts are Bolshevik women and red women.

              It goes without saying, like the nymphomaniac and cocaine addict Kollontai, the lover of the alcoholic and the leader of the cocaine addicts Dybenko.

              And how can I not remember Member of the Politburo Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Belarus, FAVORITE of the party (according to ulyanov) Bukharin: "Morphine! I beg you. I conjure you-GIVE ME MORPHINE !!!". yes

              There is NO evidence of "cocaine" in relation to the leader of Russia Kolchak, except for the stupid enemy, the Frenchman, there is simply NO.
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 19 November 2020 16: 54
                -1
                Good evening! One thing is not clear to me. Why are the militant communists, rather not communists, but the Bolsheviks, decided that if you do not admire this system, then you are certainly a Russophobe? The twists and turns of their thinking do not fit in their heads. Was it a certain Alexander Puchkov that happened?
                But here's the catch. He is far from a working class, he does not live in a "shack", he rides around the world. I didn't want to go to Chernobyl to eliminate the consequences of the accident.
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 20 November 2020 09: 10
                  -1
                  Quote: Ezoterik
                  Why are the militant communists, rather not communists, but the Bolsheviks, decided that if you do not admire this system, then you are certainly a Russophobe?

                  hi It's simple: loudest "Stop the thief!" shouts himself Вор.
          3. Esoteric
            Esoteric 18 November 2020 16: 50
            -3
            Well, of course, Trotsky is certainly a saint. What kind of sadists, cocaine addicts, who "worked" in the Cheka in the early 20s, you probably won't admit it to any, despite any facts.
            And what kind of misanthropists were noted in the Crimea, Zemlyachka and Bela Kun, even hell will not accept them, they directly for the final disincarnation of the soul.
          4. Esoteric
            Esoteric 18 November 2020 16: 52
            -3
            German spy Lenin, American spy Trotsky. And also there are various spies of numerous intelligence services like Kamenev, Zinoviev, and they are innumerable. Your Bolshevik court, however, recognized them as spies and sentenced them. Or did they spy on later? Decide already. And the creator of the "revolution" Trotsky, what he is and whose only spy and hire. Or the same then sold out? And what is your definition of comrade Kamo and his associates now? What did he do? And, this is for the good of the "revolution", it is possible, right?
            It was in Russia that we had a philanthropic law, in England, for example, Comrade Kamo, after the first "ex", would hang out on the gallows.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 19 November 2020 11: 26
              -1
              Quote: Ezoterik
              Your Bolshevik court recognized them as spies and sentenced them. Or did they spy on later?

              What "then"? Trotsky was recognized by the Supreme Court of the USSR as an agent of Germany since 1920 and SS and Gestapo agent, like the entire team of Trotskyists ("Team of the SS and GESTAPO" at the request of the Prosecutor General of the USSR Vyshinsky) - and this is: The USSR Pre-Council of Ministers Rykov, Early. General Staff and other people's commissars, deputies, members of the Central Committee, etc., etc.
              And all this is the HIGHEST echelon of power!
              Quote: Ezoterik
              It was in Russia that we had a philanthropic law, in England, for example, Comrade Kamo, after the first "ex", would hang out on the gallows.

              dow, there ulyanov would not be fat on hazel grouses in Shushenskoye.

              Which is somewhat pleasing that even some leaders of the Red Presnensk squads 1905 -were shot in 1937, as well as members of the society of political prisoners who were imprisoned under the tsarism. yes
        2. BAI
          BAI 18 November 2020 09: 55
          16
          All the merits of the White Guard officers were canceled out by their participation in the war (with the active help of the interventionists) against their own people. And since they were helped by foreigners, the white movement was beneficial primarily to foreigners, and not to Russia. And it (the movement) fought in the interests of foreigners, not Russia.
          1. Esoteric
            Esoteric 18 November 2020 17: 04
            -3
            Stop. And the Tambov peasants, whom Comrade Tukhachevsky gassed, are not the people? And the workers of Petrograd who came out in support of the Constituent Assembly and were shot from machine guns by the Bolsheviks are not the people? Who are they?
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 18 November 2020 10: 01
          +3
          I am especially pleased with the renaming of the imperial, old ships into new "generals" - republican galoshes.
          or Samsonov burns?
        4. awdrgy
          awdrgy 18 November 2020 11: 19
          -5
          It was a plan - it would not have been possible to destroy Russia right away - the probability was small and the result was in a zone of uncertainty (this is a whole complex of reasons) therefore a transitional stage was needed in the form of the USSR Weaknesses and vices of the leadership of the white movement were used to the fullest (as described below by Dalny V) Mosaic events are going well if you understand that this is just part of a 150-year plan? Or more? The question is, what kind of evil genius conceived it? Is he immortal? Such a probability cannot be ruled out, however, it is small Obviously, we are talking about the organization (and apparently the KGB of the USSR is just children compared to it)
        5. Looking for
          Looking for 18 November 2020 15: 58
          -6
          Cover the bread. Licensed.
        6. gsev
          gsev 24 November 2020 22: 21
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          In contrast to the "leaders" of national traitors, who have never worked anywhere and have not served large-aged loafers

          The evacuation became possible only because the British and French interventionists for the Russian ships and vessels stolen for them by Wrangel's puppets received a supply of coal for the passage to Turkey. The Wrangelites on their own could not organize coal mining for their fleet, or their industry was not able to produce products to the West to purchase cardifs .. One of the problems of the white bearers is that they could not supply their river flotillas, and the White Guard stokers because of their laziness and the inability was unable to maintain the pressure in the ships' boilers. Under the conditions of a break in trade with the West and a real blockade and not sanctions of the 2014 model, the Reds managed to repair steam locomotives and combat aircraft, restore bridges, build armored trains and river gunboats with 122mm cannons, armored cars, shod, clothed, armed a 5 million army to defeat the invaders from Finland to Japan and their lackeys from Krasnov to Semyonov.
    2. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 18 November 2020 06: 50
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      Ham (john)
      that's all you need to know about Wrangel ...
      With rare exceptions, all of them are corrupt creatures and received in the end what they deserved from the people. Their true face is the vile grin of the greedy and vile bourgeoisie, for which there is only one value and one homeland - a tight wallet. And no matter how hard the bakers try, they will never change the fact that all whites are the essence of traitors to Russia, ready to sell it, as they now sell both wholesale and retail.
      Wrangel's army (hoping for its use against Soviet Russia) tried to save. The Baron and his associates believed that soon a European great power (or a group of countries) would start a war with Russia. This is what the White emigres were preparing for.
      That is, they were initially ready, even with the devil, but to come to fight with the people for their right to drink the people's blood again and again. And they do not care who will be this very devil Hitler, Churchill or Clemenceau, by and large it makes no difference.

      So burn all the skins in Hell for sale.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 18 November 2020 07: 29
        -7
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        it is a vile grin of a greedy and vile bourgeoisie

        We will nail the coffin of the already dying bourgeoisie writhing in convulsions - so cried the Crimean communists.
        Immediately after the exodus of the Wrangel army, they began to nail it down.
        (see order No. 4, the notorious Bela Kun, chairman of the Crimean Revolutionary Committee)
        Well, Zemlyachka (Zalkind) pulled herself up.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 18 November 2020 11: 38
          31
          bober1982 (vladimir)
          Immediately after the exodus of the Wrangel army, they began to nail it down.
          So what? They started to nail it down and did the right thing, I would now be happy to nail all these Chubais, Grefs, Deripasoks, Millers and other bloodsuckers into a coffin with pleasure. So they did everything right, not without excesses, of course, but right. In war as in war, especially in class war!
          (see order No. 4, the notorious Bela Kun, chairman of the Crimean Revolutionary Committee)
          Well, Zemlyachka (Zalkind) pulled herself up.

          You might think your white-bellies would have acted differently if victory was on their side. Yes, they would generally drown the country in blood, because the majority was against them. So your arguments don't dance. You don’t want to remember the results of the French Revolution, who and how many were put under the knife?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 18 November 2020 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            You don’t want to remember the results of the French Revolution, who and how many were put under the knife?

            The French comrades themselves were put under the knife by the other French comrades, which means the law of any revolution.
            It is curious what, namely, when the sadist Bela Kun himself was shot, his comrades - what mental processes took place in his cranium.
        2. Old electrician
          Old electrician 18 November 2020 16: 15
          +5
          Immediately after the exodus of the Wrangel army, they began to nail it down.
          (see order No. 4, the notorious Bela Kun, chairman of the Crimean Revolutionary Committee)
          - and also see the "documents" on Katyn, the decree of the Organizing Bureau of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) on decossackization, Tukhachevsky's order on the use of OV against the Tambov peasants, etc. delusional fakes on which all anti-Sovietism is built. I will add that anti-Sovietism is the highest form of Russophobia.
          Zemlyachka (Rozalia Samoilovna Zalkind) in 3, chief of political departments of the 1918th and 8th armies; after the liberation of Crimea (November 13), secretary of the Crimean regional committee of the RCP (b). In 1920-1922, the secretary of the Zamoskvoretsky RK party in Moscow, etc. etc. To the Cheka, etc. organizations never had any relation.
          In October 1920, Bela Kun was appointed a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Southern Front (since the 30s, the Revolutionary Military Councils have been absorbed by the Political Departments). In November 1920, he became chairman of the Crimean Revolutionary Committee. According to the legislation of the RSFSR of that time, the Revolutionary Committee was a temporary body of power until the elections to the Soviets, but not a branch of the Cheka. In the 1920s, Bela Kun was a member of the Executive Committee and Presidium of the Comintern. The Comintern of those years almost entirely consisted of the comrades-in-arms of Lev Davidovich Trotsky in the struggle for the World Revolution. The main obstacle on the way to the World Revolution for Trotsky and his associates was the USSR. Therefore, it is not surprising that in 1938 Bela Kun was shot, and then, of course, was rehabilitated by Nikita the Wonderworker. Like Zemlyachka, Bela Kun had nothing to do with the Cheka, etc. organizations.
          Neither the revolutionary committee nor the regional committee of the RCP (b) were repressive authorities. Those. could not condemn anyone to anything and order anyone to be shot. For this, the Revolutionary Tribunal and the Cheka existed. Therefore, neither Zemlyachka nor Bela Kun were involved in any executions in Crimea or anywhere else. In 1920-1921, in their posts in the Crimea, they were responsible for the party press and publication of newspapers, distributed food, fuel, etc. You will still lie that the leaders of the pioneer camps were given a plan to shoot the enemies of the people, for the implementation of which they also attracted the pioneers.
          The source of your lies is S.P. Melgunov. Sitting in Berlin gashtets and dreamily looking out of the window at the cheerful brown-shirts and banners with a swastika, he composed for his owners a toilet book "The Red Terror in Russia". Here you are quoting it.
          Melgunov is a white émigré who called on the world community to intervene in the USSR and his "Red Terror in Russia" is a typically Russophobic propaganda campaign in this style. As Melgunov himself writes, his book is based solely on materials from White émigré newspapers. Those. "The Red Terror in Russia" is a classic cry of parasites, torn from the trough and calling the West for revenge. There is not a penny in this propaganda campaign.
          Ultimately, this and similar agitation begged for a fascist invasion. After reading "Mein Kampf", the "patriots of Russia" so adored by you, together ziganuli glad to try! Hitler wants to show that he will come to Russia not as a conqueror, but as the long-awaited Liberator of the Russian commissars from the Jews? - No problem! Do you want Jewish commissars? Well, here you are, Zemlyachka and Bela Kun. Do you need the atrocities of the Bolsheviks? Get Yaroslavna's cry that in 1920 in the Crimea from 13 to 150 thousand were allegedly shot. population. In passing, I will note: isn't it so, a good spread of those executed at Melgunov's is +/- 100 thousand. And all as one innocent! The fundamental nature of historical research is immediately visible! It is a pity that Melgunov did not attribute millions of those executed to Zemlyachka. You would defend this lie with foam at the mouth.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 18 November 2020 16: 52
            0
            Quote: Old electrician
            neither Zemlyachka nor Bela Kun were involved in any executions in Crimea or anywhere else.

            Quote: Old electrician
            in their positions in Crimea, they were responsible for the party press and the publication of newspapers

            Well, there you go! Yeah........
            A curtain
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 18 November 2020 17: 17
            +4
            In one thing you are wrong.
            this is a classic cry of parasites

            Crying is masculine, so it is written without a soft sign. And so everything is correct.
          3. Esoteric
            Esoteric 19 November 2020 16: 44
            +2
            That is, Comrade Tukhachevsky OV did not use against the peasants? Is this all fabrication? And Ulyanov did not give orders for executions and imprisonment in concentration camps?
            Tsarist Russia in your opinion is bad and terrible. But that's what confuses, I can't understand, maybe enlighten. What would have happened under the most just system with the brother of a man preparing an attempt on Stalin's life, as well as with their entire family? He would probably be given a quiet study at the University, conduct propaganda there, write an article, or what he wrote there - "We'll go the other way"? Or would it have been different? Would they destroy everyone? So what was the Imperial regime - cruel, or is it, on the contrary, humane and humane?
        3. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 19 November 2020 18: 31
          -3
          Quote: bober1982
          Well, Zemlyachka (Zalkind) pulled herself up.

          Enough already chatting about Zemlyachka. She headed the party organization of the Crimea, and only two months, and had nothing to do with the tribunals. And the tribunals passed death sentences to white officers who started a bandit-guerrilla war in Crimea. The rest is all the chatter of the White Guard émigré press.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 18 November 2020 08: 32
        +5
        Quote: bober1982
        Immediately after the exodus of the Wrangel army, they began to nail it down.

        Cruelty breeds cruelty. Only in 1924, with the arrival of Stalin, the civil war was over. Trotskyists have not yet answered for the genocide of the Russian people ...

        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        ... all of them are corrupt creatures and they got what they deserved from the people ...

        The people fought both on the one hand and on the other. Whoever was taken to where in the army, he wore that uniform. Stay and on the other hand were commanded by former officers of the tsarist army (for the Reds - at the initial stage, until the workers and peasants were trained). The difference between them was that those officers and generals who went over to the side of the Reds fought for Russia, and all those listed by you and others like them, for the interests of the invaders - they did not need Russia in any form. They do not need it today.

        ps
        Why do we know more about the White Guard generals-traitors than about those who saved Russia?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 18 November 2020 11: 45
          13 th
          Quote: Boris55
          that those officers and generals who went over to the side of the Reds fought for Russia

          What kind of .... "Russia"? fool
          This that OGRAZOK of Russia, arranged by the red in 1917-1940 and which we have today? fool
          "They fought", yes, the borders of the 17th century!
          Quote: Boris55
          and all these you listed and the like, for the interests of the invaders - they did not need Russia

          They needed it and they fought for it in 1877,1900,1905,1914,1922 - for RUSSIANS Odessa, Nikolaev, Verny, Uralsk, etc., which the TRAITORS turned into MYKOLAIVS, and the Russian people there, into "Ukrainians"
          Quote: Boris55
          Why do we know more about the White Guard generals-traitors than about those who saved Russia?

          Because the traitors (as well as SS and Gestapo agents, according to the definition of the USSR Armed Forces) were the red "heroes" - the highest leaders of the spacecraft, whom other red "heroes" trampled, shot, kicked, who, in turn, were nailed down by other red "heroes" " and so on. By the way, you YOURSELF do not get confused in them: who is "eroy" and who is "eroy", but no longer ... eroy "? lol
      3. Rubi0
        Rubi0 18 November 2020 14: 46
        -1
        And in the end, after 100 years, you got the bourgeoisie again, which, seeing history, immediately sits on the ship and takes everything abroad. That is why we do not have companies like Generics Electric with 130 years of history, technology lag, etc. For a lot you can find fault with the bourgeoisie and capitalism, but the fact that the right to private property is primary in it is its fat plus
      4. Esoteric
        Esoteric 18 November 2020 17: 10
        -1
        Do you seriously think that all the people of the Russian Empire without exception supported the Bolsheviks? You were given a ride, the people gave you a ride, in the elections to the Constituent Assembly, the people did not like you, with your Lenin, Trotsky. Yes, Trotsky, for he is the driving force of the October Revolution, not "Ilyich". And, well, it is the people who have been bullied, the "elements", but he would, of course, only for the Bolsheviks. Why were you communists given a ride to the Constituent Assembly?
        And why was it broken up? Lenin and Trotsky wanted absolute power and the country as a testing ground for the implementation of crazy theories across the globe?
        By the way, Lenin had an excellent attitude to Comrade Trotsky, is he a Trotskyist?
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2020 06: 14
    +9
    Author, got to B. Shirokorad smile
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 18 November 2020 06: 27
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      Author, got to B. Shirokorad smile


      Oh no!!! It is necessary to sprinkle the screen with holy water. And order a procedure for driving demons out of a smartphone (I read an article on it).
  3. Old electrician
    Old electrician 18 November 2020 06: 16
    14
    On May 20, 1920, Wrangel published an appeal to the Russian people:
    APPEAL."
    Listen, Russian people, what we are fighting for:
    For desecrated faith and offended shrines.
    For the liberation of the Russian people from the yoke of the communists, vagabonds and convicts who to the end ruined Holy Russia.
    For the termination of internecine warfare.
    That the peasant, having acquired the land he cultivated, would engage in peaceful labor.
    For true freedom and law to prevail in Russia.
    For the Russian people to choose their own Master.
    Help me, Russian people, to save the Motherland.
    General Wrangel

    How they actually saved Russia from the Bolsheviks (Wrangel P.N. Notes):
    “A huge number of trains turned out to be occupied by the military property of individual units. At one of the stations I met a train: a large number of Pullman class and boxcars were guarded by sentries of the Kornilov shock regiment. From the windows of my carriage I could observe how several Kornilov officers were talking animatedly in a large first-class salon carriage, filled with upholstered furniture and with a piano against one of the walls. I sent my adjutant to find out what kind of train it was, and was surprised to learn that it was a train from the Kornilov shock regiment. Most of the military units ended up with such trains. The army headquarters, having abandoned all worries about the maintenance of the troops, left them to be content exclusively with local funds. The troops vied with each other to capture more; what could not be used for the immediate needs of the units was sent to the rear for exchange and sale. A huge number of military ranks were in the rear on long business trips to “sell military booty”. The troops developed a view of war as a means of profit. The army was corrupting. Moving stocks of parts, as they moved north, rapidly increased, there were not enough carts and, with the benevolent connivance from above, rolling stocks were taken under the captured goods. Some parts occupied up to two hundred cars for the regimental reserves.
    With the beginning of the withdrawal, the looted goods were hastily taken to the rear, clogging up the railway junctions, disrupting and complicating the schedule of the most important military transportations. The evacuation was carried out in the most disorderly manner, apparently there was no plan. All kinds of directorates and institutions, hastily sent to the rear, did not receive any instructions on the route to follow. Trains clogged railway junctions, stood unloaded for weeks ... The stations were filled with a huge number of refugees, mainly women and children, freezing, hungry and sick. As we moved north, the eerie picture of the collapse was painted more and more vividly.
    ...
    Moving forward, we did nothing to anchor the space we had captured; along the entire length from the Sea of ​​Azov to Orel, not a single fortified zone, not a single node of resistance was prepared in the rear. And now the army rolling back has nothing to cling to.
    Continuously moving forward, the army was stretched out, the units were upset, the rear was exorbitantly growing. The disorganization of the army was also increased by the measure of "self-supply" of troops allowed by the army commander.
    Having laid aside all worries about the maintenance of the troops, the army headquarters left the troops to be content exclusively with local means, using them under the care of the units themselves and using the captured war booty to their advantage.
    The war turned into a means of profit, and the local contentment turned into robbery and speculation.
    Each part was in a hurry to grab more. Everything that could not be used on the spot was taken - sent to the rear for trade and conversion into banknotes. The mobile reserves of the troops reached homeric proportions - some units had up to two hundred wagons under their regimental reserves. A huge number of ranks served the rear. A number of officers were on long business trips: to sell military loot for units, to exchange goods, etc.
    The army was corrupted, turning into hucksters and speculators.
    In the hands of all those who in one way or another came into contact with the business of "self-supply" - and everyone came into contact with this business, including the junior officer and the platoon distributor, inclusive, there was a lot of money, the inevitable consequence of which was debauchery, gambling and drunkenness. Unfortunately, the example was set by some of the senior commanders, the homeric revelry and the throwing of big money that was carried out in front of the entire army.
    The unsatisfactory organization of counterintelligence and criminal investigations, which worked in disarray, the lack of monetary vacations for them and the unsuccessful selection of personnel, all this gave the Bolshevik agitators the opportunity to continue their destructive work in the rear of the army.
    The lack of salaries for railway employees led to the fact that the most needed employees, when the Bolshevik front approached, abandoned their jobs and ran over to the enemy's side.
    The population, who greeted the army during its advance with sincere enthusiasm, exhausted from the Bolsheviks and yearned for peace, soon began to again experience the horrors of robbery, violence and arbitrariness.
    As a result - the collapse of the front and the uprising in the rear. "
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 18 November 2020 06: 34
      +9
      Quote: Old electrician
      all this gave the Bolshevik agitators the opportunity to continue their destructive work in the rear of the army.


      If you read the memoirs of the White Guards, the "Bolshevik agitators" are some kind of supermen, superheroes from Marvel. They came, five minutes, and that's all. The part is already "red".
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 18 November 2020 08: 17
        +4
        Quote: sergo1914
        ...... You read the memoirs of the White Guards, so "Bolshevik agitators" - some kind of supermen, superheroes from Marvel. They came, five minutes, and that's all. The part is already "red".
        so it was! And around the confirmation of White's program.
    2. Sergey Oreshin
      Sergey Oreshin 18 November 2020 10: 11
      +1
      This he wrote about 1919, when Denikin was the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces. Considering the strained relations between Denikin and Wrangel, the latter, essno, tried to present Denikin in the least advantageous light, they say, we had good prospects, but Denikin missed every chance with his mediocre policy.
      When Wrangel writes about 1920 (he is already the commander in chief), he basically tries to show himself in the most advantageous light, and practically did not write anything about his mistakes and mistakes.
  4. raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 18 November 2020 07: 48
    +1
    Thank you!
    Very interesting.
    Turks called Russian white emigrants White Russians in those years.
    One of the stops was the island of Cyprus.
    I once had to translate this from Turkish:

    The topic with the "White" Russians still retains its popularity in the chronicles not only in Russia but also in those non-Russian territories where they were sent to settle or they themselves scattered around the world, becoming forced emigrants. The collapse of the Soviet system led to this, as a result of which these people, who were called "others" in Soviet times, were given back their historical rights, and who were given the opportunity to study new historical sources. Another reason for this popularity is that the "white" Russians in those countries where they became forced emigrants, influenced the socio-economic status of these countries in their time. Each country visited by the "white" Russians has its own history. Cyprus is one of the stops. Cyprus has not attracted the attention of researchers for a long time. The first work on this belongs to Natalia Zykova, her work "Mikhail Butchik: the fate of a Russian officer" was published in 2014 in the TRNC in Russian. The book tells about the life of Major General Mikhail Butchik, who served in the Crimea as Minister of the Army in the council under the first people's government during the battle of the "white" Russians against the Bolsheviks. The author of the book belongs to the "white" Russians and tells in his book not only about Butchik's life, but also how the "white" Russians got to Cyprus, how many there were, when they arrived and what difficulties they encountered. Another voluminous work on the same topic belongs to Elnur Agayev, who is the author of a work published in Turkish in 2015 under the title “White Russians Who Visited Cyprus”.
    To create his work, which analyzes the reasons for the migration of "white" Russians to Cyprus, the number of emigrants, living conditions in the camps, difficulties in life after the camp, their entrepreneurship to make a living, support from Cypriot Turks and Greeks as "white" Russians were sent from Cyprus to Eastern Europe, the fate of those who remained in Cyprus, Russian, English, Turkish and Cypriot sources were used. White Russians were brought to Cyprus on two ships in March and April 1920. The first ship, Kherson with good health conditions, arrived at Magos on March 22, 1920. The ship had 784 sick and wounded officers and soldiers along with officials of various levels of the Military Forces of Southern Russia. And on the ship "Anatoly Molchanov", which also arrived at Magosa on April 1, 1920, there were 650 passengers, including women, children and the disabled. 85% of them were women and children. Over time, people began to come from Istanbul, from the islands and other countries of the Mediterranean Sea, thus their number gradually increased and reached, in all likelihood, 1500 people.

    The emigrants who arrived in Magos, in the English camp, were under quarantine. After treatment, the wounded soldiers were sent back to the war against the Bolsheviks. After a short quarantine, camp life began for those who remained on the island. White Russians had to work to earn a living: a doctor, a shoemaker, a music teacher, a winemaker, a theater actor, an artist ... All of them had to ensure their right to life with their abilities. Two years after they arrived on the island, they were taken to the countries of Eastern Europe in May and July 1922. But you could meet some, those who found work and decided to live there, and on the island. According to sources, you can find a trace of those remaining in Cyprus until the mid-1960s. The British, who brought white Russians to Cyprus, after a while transferred them to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Questions concerning white Russians were handled by the English Administration, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees and the Cyprus office of the Russian zemstvo office. White Russians were supported by local Turks and Greeks. In different sources and in different languages ​​there is information about the life of white Russians in Cyprus. In Turkish and Greek newspapers, there are news that mention the life and life of white Russians. In addition, in the sources of the English administration, which ruled the island, there are official documents about what kind of professional activities the white Russians were fond of on the island. And the sources of the Ottoman State make it possible to understand how the white Russians arrived in Cyprus through Istanbul. Also, the activities of the Cypriot office of the zemstvo institution and the state archive of the Russian Federation on the situation of refugees in Cyprus make it possible to study the life of white Russians in the camps. And other sources are newspapers that were published in Europe by white Russians. There are still cemeteries of white Russians on the island, which are remembered by the local inhabitants of the island. Key words: Cyprus, White Russians, Quarantine, Camp life, Turkish and Greek peoples.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Remembered the poems of the famous poet Orhan Veli Kanyk
    This is how I once translated:

    They walk in this city and in the rain
    Looking at the barges in the estuary
    Singing songs at night.
    There are many streets in this city
    Thousands of people roam it ...
    Every evening will bring me tea
    Although she is “white” she is Russian,
    But in this city, and I like the waitress.

    In this city he too, -
    Under the waltz, foxtrot,
    When twisted
    Schumann and Brahms melodies,
    An old pianist is looking at me.

    They carry passengers to my native village, -
    Those steamers in this town.
    My memories are in this city
    My favorite,
    The graves of my loved ones.

    In this city, my work and suffering,
    And money for bread.
    But despite all this,
    This is the same city that I left
    For one woman
    From another city.
  5. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2020 08: 28
    +8
    Wrangel assured that the Crimean "besieged fortress" would hold out, and then the White Army would go on the offensive again. That the West, which is also threatened by Bolshevism, should help. A similar message was made by the army headquarters.
    Very similar to what the ruling authorities say about Western investment ... smile
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 18 November 2020 09: 57
      +4
      ..... The West, which is also threatened by the Bolsheviks, must help ........
      Well, here's the West, which for so many years lived under the threat of the Bolsheviks, and "helped" in the 90s.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2020 10: 00
        +4
        Quite rightly noticed ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 November 2020 10: 09
          +2
          Promonarchist, pro-bourgeois, and also organizations for the fight against the Bolsheviks in the villages began to be created after the revolution, about which research appears. With them in the USSR and fought.
          This long-term program did not stop.
          1. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2020 10: 20
            0
            It will be necessary to inquire about this issue.
  6. Old electrician
    Old electrician 18 November 2020 08: 47
    +8
    Wrangel P.N. Notes:
    The only export item was bread. The government, through counterparties, continued to intensively purchase grain in Northern Tavria. From July 24th to September 16th [1920], the Department of Trade and Industry concluded contracts with various persons for the supply of up to ten million poods of grain [164000 tons]. Up to one and a half million poods [24600 tons] have already been delivered to the ports and up to one million [16400 tons] were exported abroad. In addition to the fact that grain was the only source of our export, the appearance of Russian grain from the Crimea on Western European markets was also of great political significance. Western European states, and in particular France, which suffered severely during the war, experienced a great shortage of bread and the appearance in Marseille of a steamer with a load of bread, 275 thousand poods, was noted by almost the entire French press
    .
    In 1919-1920 Denikin and Denikinites scurried to the Crimea, throwing tanks, armored trains, cannons, machine guns, shells, rifles, cartridges, etc. However, retreating, the Denikinites, on the advice of British advisers, did not forget to set fire to those elevators with bread that they did not manage to export to Europe. Little of. People who tried to stew bread were shot with machine guns.
    In 1921-1922, a terrible famine began in the lands plundered by the White Guards in 1920, in which up to 5 million people died.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 November 2020 10: 29
      -2
      Quote: Old electrician
      In 1921-1922, a terrible famine began in the lands plundered by the White Guards in 1920, in which up to 5 million people died.

      What an amazing IGNORANCE and incredible LIE: the famine of 21-22 years was called the famine in the VOLGA REGION, in the first place.

      Where the red bandits ruled since 1919, where they completely ruined the peasants with wild robberies of bread at zero, dooming them to extinction.

      And yes - the famine WITH DEATH lasted with them in the country in 1923, and in 1924, and in 1925.

      Wild famines also in 1928,29,31,32,33,36,37,39,40,46,47,52. Of these, 32,33,47 are unseen in the world in terms of victims and cannibalism.

      Remember, finally? \ negative
  7. BAI
    BAI 18 November 2020 09: 52
    +4
    Although, as previously noted (How the Red Army broke through to the peninsula), the preliminary preparation of the defense of the Perekop and Chongar directions was carried out very badly.

    It was impossible to comment on that article, but there was a unique passage - the author's proposal to use White Guard officers for digging trenches. They'll shoot themselves, but they won't take shovels.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2020 10: 02
      +2
      Yes, this is not the author's proposal, I read such a proposal from B. Shirokorad and that article is based on Vika and B. Shirokorad, I don’t remember the title of the book ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 18 November 2020 11: 09
        +1
        Well, at Shirokorad and real things sometimes come across. So, when all the stokers escaped from some ship, then "their nobility" could hardly provide the ship with several nodes instead of the standard 10. It seems that this was even before the evacuation of whites from the Crimea. The peculiarity of Shirokorad's books is extensive technical reference material, which is undoubtedly a plus. And in the negative, in my opinion, it is worth writing down what he sincerely believes. that if, according to the documents, there are weapons in the arsenal, then all of them could be installed in threatened directions (here he shamelessly uses his post-knowledge) and change the course of the campaign.
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 18 November 2020 11: 14
          +2
          I agree, but I'm a little about something else, Samsonov, naturally without reference, wrote his previous articles on the basis of Shambarov's works, the last two Shirokorad ... that's what I'm talking about ..
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 18 November 2020 11: 20
            +3
            Yes, regular writers like to copy and paste here. Money is earned on other people's jobs.
  8. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 18 November 2020 10: 10
    +9
    Quote: Olgovich
    In contrast to the "leaders" of national traitors, who have never worked anywhere and have not served large loafers,


    "From the age of 7 he worked as a shepherd, a miner ... Since 1896 he worked at the Yekaterinovsky plant DYUMO (St. Petersburg), since 1903 at the Hartmann steam locomotive plant ..."
    - a typical biography of "over-aged loafers who have never worked or served anywhere ..."

    And the future saviors of Russia at this time to the "crunch of a French roll", gentlemen ...

    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 November 2020 11: 36
      -2
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      "From the age of 7 he worked as a shepherd, a miner ... Since 1896 he worked at the Yekaterinovsky plant DYUMO (

      Nobody was the leader of the country in 1917,

      and When he became People's Commissar 20 years later, he destroyed the army, weapons and gave the Crimea to Ukraine in 1954.

      And among the NATIONAL TRAITORS who arrived in the German carriage in 1917, there were no workers or peasants.

      Got it, no?
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      future saviors of Russia at this time

      And the future leaders of Russia at this time SERVED in the ARMY OF THE FATHERLAND, fought on the fronts of the RTV, RYAV: see the biographies of Kolchak, Denikin, Vranel, etc.

      Got it, no?
  9. Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 18 November 2020 10: 13
    +5
    You read the comments - and you realize that the Civil War in the heads of the commentators has not ended yet
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 18 November 2020 11: 13
      +6
      You read the comments - and you realize that the Civil War in the heads of the commentators has not ended yet

      Why only in their heads? It is inevitable after Chubais' "privatization", the results of which "will not be revised."
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 November 2020 11: 45
    +3
    The trip was difficult. The ships were jammed. For example, on the destroyer Grozny, with a crew of 75, there were over 1 people on board.

    The destroyer "Grozny" was part of the Siberian Flotilla and since 1918 was in storage at the Vladivostok military port. On the Black Sea, there was a cruise line "Grozny".
    And in general, more than a hundred tons of additional weight for a destroyer (not a destroyer) is too much.
  11. Seaflame
    Seaflame 18 November 2020 12: 23
    12 th
    German money and Lenin brought great harm to the country, but after the February revolution they would have become an advanced state!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 November 2020 12: 57
      +4
      Quote: Seaflame
      German money and Lenin brought great harm to the country, but after the February revolution they would have become an advanced state!

      Pfff ... if it weren't for February, there wouldn't be October.
      In addition, all these stories about the outstanding role of the Bolsheviks in all the events of 1917 are all PR of the winners. In fact, the Provisional Government actively put itself a cooperative mat, making its inconsistent and frankly stupid policy the maximum possible for its own overthrow.
      The clinical case is the Kornilov mutiny. At first, the AFK strongly supported the general's speech, considering him the only way to finally end the dual power. And suddenly, at a critical moment - unstick dumplings, smoke into the pipe, firewood to the original, Kornilov declared a rebel. Well, it would only be fine - because the official government also turned to its political gravediggers (Soviets) with a request for help. And as the last nail in the lid of the coffin, it armed the Red Guard, for the AFC had no hope for the army (the army men either would have fled to their homes, or would have joined Kornilov).
      Arming the illegal armed formations of their main political enemy by the official authorities - how is that? belay
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      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 18 November 2020 16: 56
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        Quote: Timofey Charuta
        And the revolution in Germany itself in 1918 - whose money was it?

        Apparently, with the same money the Bolsheviks received from Germany. The circle is complete. smile
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    7. Timofey Charuta
      Timofey Charuta 18 November 2020 17: 09
      +5
      And the revolution in Germany itself in 1918 - whose money is it for? And the revolution in Turkey 1918-1921, and in Hungary in 1919, etc. etc.? Apparently some rich uncle decided to have fun all over the world, a prankster filled up money with money, you know ... There is not enough money to pay for all revolutions, it will stick together ...

      By the way, the British and the Amers financed anti-Bolshevik speeches and the press in full in 1917-1918 in order to prevent Russia from leaving the war. Belochekhov was urged on ...

      https://radio-rhodesia.livejournal.com/1177145.html - рекомендую клип на эту тему

      In the photo - the famous German submariners of the First World War, they started the German revolution in 1918 (an uprising at a military base in Kiel) ...


      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 19 November 2020 08: 22
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        And the revolution in Germany itself in 1918 - whose money was it? And the revolution in Turkey 1918-1921, and in Hungary in 1919, etc. etc.?

        You can add Ireland and Iran to your moneybox.
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        2. Timofey Charuta
          Timofey Charuta 19 November 2020 15: 25
          -1
          Yes, there were a lot of these revolutions then: China (Kuomintang), Mexico (Pancho Villa), you can't remember all of them.

          The good life does not suit revolutions, no matter whose money.

          Maybe someone threw money at the revolutionaries (as, incidentally, and counter-revolutionaries), but without a revolutionary situation nothing will come of it. just in case, let me remind you, I suddenly forgot who - this is when the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want.

          In England, in the USA, workers and farmers were also buzzing, but nothing happened there - there was no revolutionary situation, although there was money ...

  12. bandabas
    bandabas 18 November 2020 13: 15
    +1
    White Army, Black Baron
    They’re preparing the royal throne for us again
    But from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is the strongest.


    So let the Red
    Compresses powerfully
    Your bayonet with a calloused hand
    And we all must
    Uncontrollably
    Go to the last mortal battle!


    Red Army, march, march forward!
    The Revolutionary Council is calling us into battle.
    After all, from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is all stronger!


    We inflate the fire of the world
    Churches and prisons will be razed to the ground!
    After all, from the taiga to the British seas
    The Red Army is all stronger!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 18 November 2020 14: 19
      -6
      Samuel Pokrass, one of the authors of this song, escaped from Soviet Russia in 1924, died in America, where he was the leading composer of Hollywood.
      And, the Russians d @ crayfish beat each other, to the tune of this song.
  13. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 November 2020 14: 38
    +2
    Not evacuation, but flight. And so much the better for the Crimeans. Fewer graves to dig for the goldsmiths.
  14. Catfish
    Catfish 18 November 2020 14: 38
    +2
    Russian ships in Bizerte. A sad sight.



    But, in fact, chickens are counted in the fall. Whose flag is over the Kremlin now?
    1. bandabas
      bandabas 18 November 2020 15: 07
      +3
      Trade flag. That says it all.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 18 November 2020 16: 05
        +1
        Nothing is said. On the masts of current warships, merchants are also fluttering, or is it the Andreevskie ones, the very ones under which the white ships went?
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 18 November 2020 17: 55
          +1
          I won't argue about the Andreevsky flag, but there was the flag of the USSR Navy. And he was respected.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 18 November 2020 18: 24
            +3
            And no one argues, both are our flags and both are worthy of respect, only St. Andrew's victories were won not like an example anymore.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 18 November 2020 22: 15
              +3
              Kostya, hello! hi
              Now there is such a "sad Bizerte" in almost all naval bases ... So the "crumbs" are tinted and repaired for couples and other window dressings. Compared to Soviet times - stubs.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 18 November 2020 23: 39
                0
                Hi Lesha! hi Do not poison the soul, I remember very well what the fleet of our country was. And now the personal aircraft carriers of the Abramovichs are held in high esteem. Sick. negative
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 18 November 2020 23: 54
                  +1
                  And the flags of other countries are waving over those "aircraft carriers". The "new Russians" do not associate themselves with Russia. "Tricolor" to other "vessels" relies. And rightly so. what

                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 19 November 2020 00: 40
                    +1
                    I can't send you a letter in a personal message, some error pops up all the time.
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 19 November 2020 00: 46
                      +2
                      And I can't write to you. Some glitch ... request
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2020 05: 26
                        0
                        laughing laughing 3
                        Quote: lexus
                        And I can't write to you. Some glitch ... request
                        wassat this is not a glitch! This means that you are using profanity, or slang or something else bad! Or what else.
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 19 November 2020 14: 12
                        +1
                        Damn, I can't even write "hello" to anyone. request
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2020 14: 19
                        +1
                        Greetings, Alexey! I'll try to send you right now ...
                      4. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2020 14: 31
                        +1
                        I have the same thing, it turned out .... I tried both you and the one absent from the site now.
                        It used to be like that. Somehow the format changed
                      5. Lexus
                        Lexus 19 November 2020 14: 41
                        +1
                        Dmitry, hello! From only one person to whom he spoke, it came. But they are not sent back to him either. Writes, if you translate that "the account is already in use." By the way, yesterday's article by Shpakovsky was removed. Looks like there overnight they piled up comments on the most "don't play" and went "on the personal".
                      6. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2020 16: 25
                        0
                        Yes, it seems like nothing like that happened ..... Went in at night, Tatra, Irina, wrote --- a lot of angry comments Or am I the wrong branches? .. ..I also thought ---- is this anger? Earlier ..... It's scary to say how many comments to one article were deleted.
                      7. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 19 November 2020 16: 28
                        +1
                        By the way, not only her. And everyone's comments to this article. Didn't you look at yourself? And from that author?
                        Quote: lexus
                        Dmitry, hello! From only one person to whom he spoke, it came. But they are not sent back to him either. Writes, if you translate that "the account is already in use." By the way, yesterday's article by Shpakovsky was removed. Looks like there overnight they piled up comments on the most "don't play" and went "on the personal".
                      8. Lexus
                        Lexus 19 November 2020 16: 48
                        +1
                        That article on "schizophrenia" was deleted entirely. With comments, of course.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 19 November 2020 14: 12
            +1
            And you can write to someone in a personal thread. Me not. request
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 14: 25
              +1
              Complete jamny, I went through almost all and the result is zero. So Dmitry is wrong, it’s not an abnormality. drinks
            2. Lexus
              Lexus 19 November 2020 14: 29
              +2
              It came from Kolya. And it does not go to the return line. request drinks
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 14: 31
              +2
              I have nothing from anyone. request
            4. Lexus
              Lexus 19 November 2020 14: 49
              +1
              And you can't send to anyone?
            5. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 14: 59
              +2
              I can't, they write some kind of crap in Agitsky, too lazy to translate.
            6. Lexus
              Lexus 19 November 2020 15: 09
              +1
              "Cannot be published through the parse filter.
              this profile is already in use. ”It looks like the site is being updated.
            7. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 15: 10
              +1
              I see, friend, thanks. drinks
            8. Lexus
              Lexus 19 November 2020 15: 11
              +2
              Then let's go hooligan. wink drinks
            9. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 15: 13
              +1
              Where, to Samsonov? Nikolai offers to somehow update by PM, but I'm not in the know.
            10. Lexus
              Lexus 19 November 2020 15: 17
              +2
              I need to leave. I'll find you later. And there it will be clear. drinks
  • Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 18 November 2020 22: 31
    19
    Sea Cat (Constantine)
    only pld Andreevsky victories were won by no example more.
    So Andreevsky did not exist longer, and so what? And under Andreevsky and under the flag of the Soviet Navy, the same people fought, of different generations, but of the same training. Only now, under the St.Andrew's flag, subhumans fought (in the sense of slave cattle, which, according to the thought of the officers, is not supposed to think), and under the flag of the Soviet Navy, people of the same type fought - SOVIET, which means they were equal. Can you catch the difference?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 18 November 2020 23: 31
      +4
      So, in your opinion, it was subhumans who won brilliant victories under the St. Andrew's flag? Well, well, you have a good opinion of your ancestors.
      And in general, it turns out interestingly, then you write that
      And under the Andreevsky and under the flag of the Soviet Navy, the same people fought, of different generations, but the same training
      ,
      then right there
      Only now, under the St.Andrew's flag, subhuman slave cattle fought, and under the flag of the USSR Navy, people of the same type fought - SOVIET, which means they were equal.

      And I only caught that in your head you have a mess and you are not able to express your thoughts coherently.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 00: 18
        17
        Sea Cat (Constantine)
        So, in your opinion, it was subhumans who won brilliant victories under the St. Andrew's flag?
        I'm just amazed at your "intelligence", like looking in a book I see a fig. I wrote not about subhumans, but about the attitude of your adored noblemen to these very people, as to things, as to furniture, as to something that can be kicked, beaten and beaten, as to silent cattle. What, you say, was wrong? Yes, it was not so, there was Ushakov and Suvorov, and Kornilov and Nakhimov, but how many others were there and there were still MOST of them, for whom the soldier was a simple slave?
        And I only caught that in your head you have a mess and you are not able to express your thoughts coherently.
        Of course, of course, everyone around is idiot one you d'Artagnan ... laughing
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 19 November 2020 00: 33
          +5
          ... your adored nobles

          And why did you decide that they are my "adored", somewhere I said something about it? It was only about the flag. You turn everything inside out according to the principle of "elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev" and want to be taken seriously. It's funny.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 00: 40
            16
            Sea Cat (Constantine)
            And why did you decide that they are my "adored", somewhere I said something about it?

            I am not the first day on the site and not the first year, and I know "xy from xy" and who has what views, so your anti-Soviet position No. 69 is far from being a secret for me.
            and want to be taken seriously
            I do not care deeply and far how you personally will take me, seriously or not. The main thing to remember is that at one time Nikolashka the bloody did not take everything seriously either, he graciously shot a crow in the garden, kept a diary and drank coffee on the veranda, but how did you end up do not remember?
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 00: 42
              +2
              Are you comparing me to Nikolashka? laughing Thank you for making me laugh. Keep up the good work, for my nightly sleeplessness only the free clown was missing.
            2. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 00: 47
              15
              Sea Cat (Constantine)
              Keep up the good work, for my nightly sleeplessness only the free clown was missing.
              You will see a free clown in the mirror, just do not be afraid, your face is too crooked.
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 12: 03
              +1
              Well, and we got to the banal abuse, if you were not afraid of punitive measures from the administration, then for sure you switched to mate. "A little gray coward bunny rode under the Christmas tree." laughing
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 19 November 2020 17: 18
          +1
          Nikolai is of course bloody. But he did not send anyone to Zurich with an ice ax to Ulyanov. And it was very easy to do it. Pay Swiss criminals a thousand, another pounds.
  • Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 18 November 2020 21: 53
    19
    Sea Cat (Constantine)
    On the masts of current warships, merchant ships are also fluttering, or is it the Andreevskie ones, the very ones under which the white ships went?
    Come on?! And what did the whites have to do with the flag of the Russian Navy, which they buried with their own hands? Or did the Bolsheviks overthrow the tsar in February?

    Crystal bakers have some sort of highly selective and dodgy memory, I remember here, I don’t remember here, but here they generally wrapped fish ... laughing Let me remind you, as a lover of the maritime theme, that the Andreevsky flag is the flag of the Republic of Ingushetia led by the Romanov dynasty, to which everyone without exception, including your white-bellied ones, swore allegiance, except that the oath is different. Someone swore an oath sincerely, and someone else because it is necessary. Hence the result, in the end, no one supported the bloody king's rag, even the closest relatives. So there is no need here about flags and continuity. The modern Russian Federation is identical to the Republic of Ingushetia only in that it robs and sells Russia, just as the White-bellied men plundered and sold it.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 18 November 2020 23: 36
      +3
      Well, lexicon laughing
      At the bakers ... your white bellies,
      where they picked up something, or is it from an overabundance of education. I do not understand your argo and do not want to understand, if you are addressing a person, then speak the human language, and not the Pithecanthropic hair dryer.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 00: 22
        16
        Sea Cat (Constantine)
        where they picked up something, or is it from an overabundance of education.
        In the same place where everything is. By the way, what is your education? I personally have higher RIIZhT (RGUPS) and with honors.
        if you speak to a person, then speak a human language
        Are you sure that you are human? For me, white-bellied, these are not people and I would prefer to talk to you in the language of Colt, not Pushkin.
        P.S. And by the way
        Sea Cat (Constantine)
        Well, the vocabulary is laughing
        where did they pick up something
        Themselves from what gateway broadcast, "educated" you are ours?
        I don't understand your argo
        You will understand when we put it against the wall, but the trouble is, it will be too late. The white bellies also understood when they were all drowned and shot, but it was too late to drink Borjomi, the kidneys had already fallen off.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 19 November 2020 00: 38
          +2
          You will understand when we put it against the wall,

          You, obviously, have an autumn aggravation, breathe deeper, otherwise choke with anger and condrat will be enough, specialist, with honors. laughing
          As for the "Colt", then you will not see it, because no sane doctor will give you a certificate for obtaining permission to acquire weapons.
          1. Alexander Suvorov
            Alexander Suvorov 19 November 2020 00: 44
            19
            Sea Cat (Constantine)
            You obviously have an autumn aggravation
            Or maybe you? Did it ever occur to you (if there is one) that a stick has two ends?
            breathe deeper, otherwise choke with anger and enough kondrat, specialist, with honors
            I can also recommend you, a "specialist" without a diploma, even blue.
            because no sane doctor will give you a certificate
            But it's time for you, Olgovich and others to issue certificates in bulk ... laughing
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 19 November 2020 11: 57
              0
              But it’s time to give out certificates in bulk to you, Olgovich and others.

              I don’t know about Olgovich, but I also have a license to store weapons, and the weapon itself is.
              And for you, judging by the tantrums that you are rolling here, acquiring weapons by legal means is hardly possible. request
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 November 2020 11: 44
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Russian ships in Bizerte. Sad spectacles

    Yes, God is with them, pieces of iron.

    The main thing is that the lives of people who escaped beating in the Crimea, a slave life in fear and lack of freedom were saved.
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  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 21 November 2020 10: 15
    0
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    You will understand when we put it against the wall, but the trouble is, it will be too late.

    Easy to threaten while sitting on the couch.
    I've regularly, for almost 30 years, heard from the communists the words: "Well, soon we will come to power, then we will deal with the counter-revolutionaries / liberals / Yeltsinists / Putinists / monarchists and in general all the radishes who betrayed the USSR."
    But so far, apart from words from the communists, nothing has been heard or seen.
  • Moore
    Moore 24 November 2020 09: 38
    0
    Interestingly, in the 20s, the French invited a Soviet delegation to Bizerte to assess the possibility of returning the squadron to their homeland. They counted on a change in the position of the USSR on tsarist debts. Did not work out...
    And the guns from "Alexander III" still fired. Under great secrecy, the frogs sent them to Mannerheim to make artillery installations out of them, following the example of the Soviet TM-3-12. Eight seemed to have reached the Finns and, to the delight of the Olgovichi, they even shot a little at the red dogs. And four along the way were captured by household sausages and, after some modernization, were successfully used in the coastal defense of the French coast.
    Iron, it, of course, has no shame ... In contrast to the "white knights without fear and reproach" who have foolishly fucked up the country ...