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Militia trial: truth or fiction?

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Difficult topic



Recently, the Donetsk media sphere has been actively discussing the topic of illegally convicted militias, including Russians. The topic is more than complicated.

The case of Alexei Petrov (Izya Katsman) is heard. At first, he very actively criticized the mayor of Gorlovka, Prikhodko, and then was arrested on extremely dubious charges. He spent several years in prison.

There are also several other well-known (though not necessarily innocent) militias who have been imprisoned.

Indeed, there are quite a few cases when some kind of internal strife led to lengthy prison terms for servicemen. Moreover, they were kept without any legal basis in the commandant's office or simply in basements.

You should also not try to deny that the work of the judicial and penitentiary systems, to be honest, is still extremely far from perfect. And the institutions themselves are almost in their infancy. The Ukrainian heritage is partly affected, partly by the post-war devastation: everything was terrible until 2014, and then the situation hardly had a chance of significant improvement. In short, the problem exists and is of a very serious nature.

At the same time, it should be admitted that sometimes his friends and relatives raise a fuss about a particular fighter, justifiably finding fault with the flaws of the court proceedings. While they have nothing to oppose the essence of the matter and the accusation, except for emotions.

Unfortunately, in the LDNR, many cases were indeed recorded when "thrifty" fighters dragged home weapon, up to rocket-throwers "Bumblebee", and then paid for these "supplies" with freedom. But what to say: among the defenders of Donbass were hundreds and thousands of different people. The family, as they say, is not without its black sheep.

Moreover, under the conditions of war, many people broke the law due to personality changes caused by severe post-traumatic syndrome.

The Mysterious Island


The complexity of the situation is not only in the clumsiness and imperfection of the judicial system. The favorite practice of local authorities - to hush up absolutely all the negative, once again deprived her of the opportunity to defend herself. And how can this be done now if any details of the crimes and their very facts were hidden even in those cases when it was a question of flagrant atrocities?

Donetsk and Luhansk have been drawing the image of the "holy" militia for so long and hiding the incidents in the People's Militia that now the corresponding stereotypes are firmly rooted in public opinion (at least in the network).

As a result, any, even the most grounded and crystal clear act of justice, for many people who are distant from local realities, enthusiastic or simply narrow-minded people is perceived exclusively as repression. Alas, they can no longer be persuaded. Although the local population, who personally had to see 2014 (or funny fighters after pay), is much calmer about everything.

Yes, for the most part this hysterically screaming "public" is insanely far not only from understanding what is happening in the republics, but also from the realities of the life around them - it continues to live in the USSR (because the Russian Federation is a firm), believes in reptilians and mourns the surrender of the Kuriles. At the same time, there are also healthy characters.

In addition, it must be admitted that the LDNR has turned into a "mysterious island" where people are "missing". And in general, God knows what is happening. And I must say that the reality there is strikingly different both from the "smart" Novorossia, drawn by federal publications and channels, and from the apocalyptic picture, painted by "patriotic guard" resources.

Need more attention


Probably, given the deterioration of the entire system, infrastructure, "psychology and the universe itself" in the LPNR, it would be foolish to expect the situation to improve and balance itself. The republics have long been in need of Russia's total attention. Moreover, this attention should come not only from interested persons, officials or television talkers.

All of Russia should know about what is happening in the LPNR and discuss the very real vicissitudes of the life of the republics. Not to mention various institutions that often try to perceive the republics as an annoying misunderstanding under Ukrainian jurisdiction. Perhaps it is high time to put things in order, at least in the legal plane, if it is not yet possible in such a tempting economic sphere.

Otherwise, the region will never become a full-fledged part of the Russian Federation, but will turn into a rather unpleasant place.

Unfortunately, even in such an important topic as the judicial system, as, in principle, and in all sectors of an emerging system, chaos still reigns. And sometimes it seems that there will be no order and justice in anything for a very, very long time. If only because we have not been able to get a single intelligible answer so far.

If you believe the authorities of the LDNR, then the inhabitants of the republics are already bursting with storage facilities and social justice. Moreover, information is spreading that everyone there will soon be assigned "unconditional basic income." (And this is not a joke at all - just such a statement was recently made by a high-ranking Donetsk official).

And if you believe the seekers of online justice, then all the militias have long been tortured in concentration camps.

And although the truth is most often somewhere between these extremes - in the middle, when it comes to human lives, the logic of this “in the middle” is sometimes just unacceptable for many ...
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  1. Asad
    Asad 18 November 2020 15: 18
    +6
    About a month ago I read that in Kazakhstan, the former militia was given 3 years for participation in the DPR.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 18 November 2020 15: 21
      +4
      Just include these territories in Russia and that's it.
      Let's put things in order and save lives.
      1. Asad
        Asad 18 November 2020 15: 25
        +7
        I don't know why our rulers are pulling the cat for Faberge, they are afraid of something.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 18 November 2020 15: 28
          -4
          I don't think they are afraid, apparently they are just waiting for the moment. GDP - Definitely not a Coward. I personally saw this when he flew to Dagestan and Chechnya.
          1. Asad
            Asad 18 November 2020 15: 33
            +1
            Maybe I put it wrong, but order in this Makhnovshchina must be restored!
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 18 November 2020 15: 40
              0
              Hohloboty ... you are your minuses - You will definitely not change the situation. Go to the "National Battalions" try again ... get in the snout as always, well, the annexed area will greatly increase.
              1. Roman_LKW
                Roman_LKW 18 November 2020 16: 03
                +2
                There are almost no hohlobots here, they are banned quickly, I bet against myself - they have already been banned or I still have time to write a comment)
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 18 November 2020 15: 50
            +3
            Well, he flew in, so what? First of all, Putin is a capitalist.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 18 November 2020 15: 53
              -2
              Quote: Kronos
              Well, he flew in, so what? First of all, Putin is a capitalist.

              Well, you are a brave Tailor, with one blow of seven ...
              The leader of Russia flew into the War zone ... well, nonsense of course. Turn on the brain, if any.
              1. Kronos
                Kronos 18 November 2020 15: 59
                +8
                I remember how in 2014 someone from Switzerland flew to Putin, after which they immediately forgot about Novorosia, as well as about permission to use troops abroad.
                1. Hunter 2
                  Hunter 2 18 November 2020 16: 01
                  -1
                  AND? Continue your thought.
                  1. Kronos
                    Kronos 18 November 2020 16: 03
                    +7
                    And all Putin's courage disappeared somewhere then.
                    1. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 18 November 2020 16: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Kronos
                      And all Putin's courage disappeared somewhere then.

                      Have you ever been in charge of the lives of subordinates? Do you understand what it is? When their mothers call them, they knit the scarves and send them, they put a treat (signed for the Commander) in the package for the Commander.
                      Duck here is the GDP - there are 140 million. And it's not for you to accuse him of cowardice.
                    2. antivirus
                      antivirus 18 November 2020 19: 36
                      +3
                      he has no right to bravery and cowardice (in my opinion only) -Putin is the function of the Russian State (one of the highest functions)
                      - should be and is -------------------------------- feasibility calculated in the long term.
                2. Igoresha
                  Igoresha 18 November 2020 23: 48
                  +2
                  forgot immediately
                  it would be interesting to know what they said, what they allowed and what they didn’t, after the Swiss the Ukrainian military columns at the border were covered with "hailstones", and then the north wind blew right up to Debaltseve.
              2. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 18 November 2020 20: 54
                -2
                So the clown Zelensky came to the front line a couple of times. What, the same is considered a hero?
                No, it's not the presidential business to wander around the trenches. Now, if he had not allowed this war, or if he had developed a real plan, thanks to which the war was quickly won ...
                So here, colleague, I disagree with you.
    2. Civil
      Civil 18 November 2020 15: 27
      +2


      The revolution is made by some people, and completely different people use its fruits ...
    3. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 18 November 2020 21: 40
      +5
      My experience of communicating with Kazakhs ... I was driving from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk - at the entrance to Kazakhstan (I was driving through Karasuk) I was stripped like a stick with the help of their local laws (I don't remember very well - environmental, for roads, etc.). I refueled in Kazakhstan 92nd - the consumption increased to 30 liters (donkey urine). When leaving Kazakhstan, they were robbed to the maximum, including the discharge of gasoline ... just a Kazakh comes up to the impudent one and says: "Oh, you have a lot of gasoline - hold a canister." AKS is removed from the safety lock ... Oh, yes, they asked at the traffic police post to give a lift to the boy to the village (or aul - I don't know how they got there) - he stole everything that was lying in the back seat.
      I'm not saying that they are all like that, but this is my experience. My opinion is thieves.
      1. rodomir
        rodomir 18 November 2020 21: 46
        0
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        My experience of communicating with Kazakhs ... I was driving from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk - at the entrance to Kazakhstan (I was driving through Karasuk) I was stripped like a stick with the help of their local laws (I don't remember very well - environmental, for roads, etc.). I refueled in Kazakhstan 92nd - the consumption increased to 30 liters (donkey urine). When leaving Kazakhstan, they were robbed to the maximum, including the discharge of gasoline ... just a Kazakh comes up to the impudent one and says: "Oh, you have a lot of gasoline - hold a canister." AKS is removed from the safety lock ... Oh, yes, they asked at the traffic police post to give a lift to the boy to the village (or aul - I don't know how they got there) - he stole everything that was lying in the back seat.
        I'm not saying that they are all like that, but this is my experience. My opinion is thieves.

        I confirm ... This is when you jump out of the "border" hi Are you getting even more insolent now? Those are still brothers, although I am friends with many and seem to be fine, but if that ..))))
        P / S / It is necessary to hang Nazarbayev on the glass and have the right to have a photo (Photoshop, how you greet him)))) Well, and a few words to know abusive words in Kazakh .. They say sometimes!
  2. Roman_LKW
    Roman_LKW 18 November 2020 15: 21
    0
    LDNR is a piece of Ukraine, torn off alive, unnecessary to anyone else. It is a pity that very few people in Ukraine want to return them to their homeland.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 November 2020 15: 23
      +4
      where to return?)))
    2. Gato
      Gato 18 November 2020 15: 27
      +6
      Who's sorry about that?
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 18 November 2020 15: 35
      11
      Quote: Roman_LKW
      LDNR is a hunk torn off alive from Ukraine

      Or maybe it’s better to remember that it was "ripped off a chunk" of Russia and sewn to Ukraine? So they are torn to their HOMELAND !!!!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 17: 24
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        So they are torn to their homeland !!!!

        exactly are torn?
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2020 15: 37
      +3
      Quote: Roman_LKW
      LDNR is a hunk torn off alive from Ukraine, unnecessary to anyone except her.

      Well, you will quickly create a concentration camp from the Lao PDR. You have experience.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 November 2020 15: 40
      -1
      Quote: Roman_LKW
      It is a pity that very few people in Ukraine want to return them to their homeland.

      It's a pity for sure, few people want to live in Ukraine.
    6. German Titov
      German Titov 18 November 2020 20: 08
      0
      And we do not seek "tudoy" from the word "vaapche". There is no need to sing about "exploded air conditioners, self-bombardment of krivoruks". "Where is this in Ukraine?"
  3. Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 18 November 2020 15: 54
    -8
    I already doubt that Donbass is a militia against the Nazis of Ukraine and the external administration of the United States ...
    If they were REAL. like my father, they would have broken the APU long ago, and freed Ukraine from Nazism, capitalists and all the TRAP
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 18 November 2020 16: 00
      +5
      You will compare the population and capabilities of the DRN and LPR with the Ukrainian one, which is 10 times more at least.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 18 November 2020 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: Galina Medvedeva
      If they were REAL. like my father

      and your father, excuse me, who?
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 20 November 2020 11: 08
        +1
        and your father, excuse me, who? ....... yes, like herself, a chair-monitor-key patriot ... ... just called up with a Donetsk work colleague, so how, I myself am a Crimean .. Well, the topic is this .... if he calls me from his mobile operator, then on zeros, if I call from my MTS, then in a minute you will blow away like a wind. Well, so ... I got a Russian passport. monetary allowance of 16 plus quarterly bonuses, a gentleman's set (cigarettes-beer-vodka) is three times cheaper than ours. food is also not high. Unlike Banderland, tariffs for communal services, electricity and gas have not increased, petrol is approximately equal to our prices. but lower for some types of fuel ... the general mood ... no one wants to go to banderland ...
  4. Karabin
    Karabin 18 November 2020 17: 26
    +3
    Quote: Hunter 2
    GDP - Definitely not a Coward. I personally saw this when he flew to Dagestan and Chechnya.

    And what did he do that "definitely not a coward"? Or is the very fact of arrival already a feat?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 18 November 2020 20: 16
      +2
      Jury hi,
      I was there when he arrived. FSOshnikov and other watchdogs on a cannon shot
      from him there were more than military MO. And they sat in the bushes along the entire landing glide path.
  5. Undecim
    Undecim 18 November 2020 18: 09
    +3
    The author's work resembles the behavior of a snake on a hot frying pan in attempts to describe the situation in ORDLO on the one hand and not tell the truth on the other.
    The author generates a slogan: "The whole of Russia should know about what is happening in the LPNR and discuss the very real vicissitudes of the life of the republics" and immediately begins to tell tales about some kind of "judicial system".
    If we talk about the very real ups and downs of the life of the LDNR at the present time, then this is another redistribution of the territory under the motto "No one should interfere with doing" business ". For those who interfere, the choice is minimal - a basement, a cemetery, skis. Along the way, they can be used to make scapegoats for the local population. No past "merits" interest anyone and are not taken into account.
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  6. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 18 November 2020 23: 05
    +3
    There are many words, few facts. Was it worth it to write?

    Who is interested, knows about the basements with the tortured. There is proo this mentions and videos, moreover, from Antifascists.
    We wrote about income and salaries here. Miscellanea. From - one and a half times less than in Ukraine, to less than 5 times.
    The industry is the same.
    About "forced to engage in trade, earnings and smuggling, so as not to stretch their legs" - it was also written here. And about the fact that all of these should be imprisoned, since they do not want to go to work for 10-15 thousand salaries - too.

    But where did the chief from the LPR go with money from coal and humanitarian aid, in which Rostov the donkey - no, no.

    So facts, facts are needed, not general reasoning.