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If Pashinyan does not leave, what awaits Armenia: versions based on the current circumstances

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The surrender of Karabakh was a complete political failure of the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan. But, as the events in Yerevan show, even after such a defeat, Pashinyan is not going to leave the post of head of government.


Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, who came to power in his time on the wave of protest actions, grabbed the chair worse than other "authoritarian dictators", and does not want to leave it at all, even in a situation when it is obvious: history country and the Armenian people, he entered as a person under whom half of Karabakh was lost. The Armenians will not forgive Pashinyan for this, but it seems that yesterday's oppositionist is not very worried about the popular indignation. For Pashinyan, it is much more important now to maintain power, and this can be problematic: neither the West has helped, and Russia has no trust in the man of George Soros.

Nevertheless, Pashinyan has chances to remain in the post of prime minister, if we are talking about the short term. In the future, he is likely to face the fate of another well-known Transcaucasian liberal revolutionary, Mikhail Saakashvili, but so far Nikol Pashinyan is still at the head of the government. At one time, in order to protect himself from the risk of a coup, Pashinyan dismissed a large number of high-ranking military personnel and officers of the National Security Service. He replaced them with his supporters. But now questions to Pashinyan have also appeared from those who previously supported him.

Realizing his real level of support, Pashinyan turned to blatant threats: for example, he wrote on his Facebook page that “the guys from the front line” are waiting in Yerevan, who must deal with the “whining under the walls”. That is how he named his opponents. It is possible that if the unrest continues, Pashinyan will indeed be ready to use violence and move on to reprisals against his political opponents. The masks have been thrown off - as it turned out, there is no sign of democracy in this case, and Pashinyan is ready to hold on to power no weaker than the Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. But so far, no accusations against the Armenian leader have been heard from the “concerned world community”.

If Pashinyan manages to hold on to power for a period of time, Armenia will continue to face great shocks. First, the country will live with a feeling of defeat in Karabakh, from the part occupied by Azerbaijanis, almost all residents have already left, many even dug up the remains of their deceased ancestors, fearing the desecration of graves. And these people will definitely not forgive Pashinyan's defeat.

Secondly, Pashinyan will have to make concessions further, and more than once. Azerbaijan's positions have significantly strengthened, it received a corridor to Nakhichevan, albeit controlled by Russian border guards. After a certain time, Azerbaijan may demand new regions of Karabakh, since for Ilham Aliyev, the victorious war has become very beneficial in terms of increasing the rating.

Thirdly, given that Pashinyan, in his attempts to retain power, will continue to dismiss all those who disagree, he will significantly weaken both the system of state administration and the command of the armed forces. That is, Armenia will continue to weaken. Pashinyan does not and will not have any resources to remedy the situation and revenge.

Naturally, Armenia's external enemies, Azerbaijan and Turkey, will take advantage of this, so Pashinyan will either have to completely obey the will of Moscow, or sink into oblivion, leaving his native country forever. If he vacates the post of prime minister, then it is possible that later he will emerge somewhere in Ukraine. True, the troubled times are coming to an end there, and Nikol is inferior to his Georgian counterpart Mishiko in terms of charisma.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 16 November 2020 11: 07
    +6
    My opinion is that Pashinyan is thundered ... actually deserved!
    He needs to run, the question is where? The Armenian diaspora in the US will not be particularly happy to see him either.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 November 2020 11: 21
      -7
      Quote: Hunter 2
      My opinion is that Pashinyan is slammed ...

      They do not "crash": now he relies on peacekeepers.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 16 November 2020 11: 26
        12
        Quote: iouris

        They do not "crash": now he relies on peacekeepers.

        A nation that hates its leader? He is extreme, such is the lot of the vanquished. Armenians living all over the world (and this is the majority of all Armenians) also have an extremely negative attitude towards him! Peacekeepers do not protect him ...
        1. bar
          bar 16 November 2020 11: 37
          13
          A nation that hates its leader?

          Every nation is worthy of its leader. They themselves chose him on the square
          1. iouris
            iouris 16 November 2020 11: 59
            +2
            Quote: bar
            They themselves chose him on the square

            The people do not choose anyone and cannot choose. Even in the "square". You do not think that your right to choose is equal to the right to choose, for example, an "equidistant oligarch" who has a house worth $ 1 billion in London, and an armed "yacht" 110 meters long, yes, an "aristocratic football club", and newspapers, a TV channel and so on.
            Who is Alexander Stalyevich Voloshin, who is Tatyana Dyachenko? You do not see them, but they are. In this sense, Armenia is the same as the Russian Federation.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 16 November 2020 12: 53
              +1
              So this is capitalism! Just like a gopher. In general, you are right, we do not choose, but only, “approve” the choice of the new “aristocracy”. Which would be happy to kill us completely, but there will be no one to fatten on.
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 16 November 2020 14: 23
                0
                Quote: AKuzenka
                So this is capitalism! Just like a gopher. In general, you are right, we do not choose, but only, “approve” the choice of the new “aristocracy”. Which would be happy to kill us completely, but there will be no one to fatten on.

                Very true noticed.
              2. iouris
                iouris 16 November 2020 16: 00
                +2
                Quote: AKuzenka
                selection of the new "aristocracy"

                This is not aristocracy. These are compradors. And the aristocracy was replaced by plutocracy. However, they do not care what we call them.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 18 November 2020 12: 09
                  0
                  Well, yes, they are thieves and traitors! But they consider themselves to be the aristocracy that controls (rob) us ().
          2. SSR
            SSR 20 November 2020 22: 05
            +1
            Quote: bar
            A nation that hates its leader?

            Every nation is worthy of its leader. They themselves chose him on the square

            he entered the history of the country and the Armenian people as a person under whom half of Karabakh was lost. Armenians will not forgive Pashinyan for this

            And by the way, let them not rush to curse him, maybe he will finally pull the Armenians of Armenia out of isolation, otherwise the T-shirts will be torn apart by the craftsmen, against their Ministry of Internal Affairs heroes, but how can migrant workers from all over the world help us in war! That is, the diaspora, and we ourselves are yelling only masters and nothing that guys from the NKR not recognized by the Armenians themselves are dying in hundreds ... it's for us, the proud Armenians of Yerevan.
        2. iouris
          iouris 16 November 2020 14: 57
          +1
          The big question is what a "nation" is. It is not the "nation" that elects. Voters ("electorate") do not elect, they vote. The chosen one is declared the one who is nominated by the "elite". The "elite" depends on some (most often external) financial and political forces, and not on any "nation". If the "elite" does not elect you, then you will not become a pashinyan. Something like this.
      2. ANB
        ANB 16 November 2020 12: 16
        +8
        ... They do not "crash": now he relies on peacekeepers.

        There are no peacekeepers in Yerevan then.
      3. My_log_in
        My_log_in 16 November 2020 13: 35
        +3
        laughing there are no peacekeepers on the territory of Armenia, and he will not go to hide in Karabakh.
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 11: 24
      +6
      Quote: Hunter 2
      My opinion is that Pashinyan is slammed.

      In a figurative sense?
      It may not be necessary to bang, but the Armenians may well put themselves in jail for 15-20 years, but this is only their business.
      My attitude can be honestly expressed in one question.
      What have we forgotten in Armenia ??? .. Why do we need this base there ??? ..
      If this is an attempt to influence Azerbaijan in the key we need, then judging by the latest data, this topic does not fly. We must abandon the beggars and the Armenians who betrayed us. Don't spend a dime on them. Let them deal with Pashinyan, Sargsyan and all their Aras themselves.
      I would understand and welcome our base in Azerbaijan. We need to support and manage the actions of one of the players in the hydrocarbon market.
      He would pay us in hard cash for the base rental and security ...
      But no, they got in touch again with the poor and not reliable dependents.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 11: 53
        -2
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        He would pay us in hard cash for the base rental and security ...

        who would pay whom? The tenant usually pays the landlord, not the other way around. For the base in Gyumri, Russia paid off the Armenians with military credits.
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 11: 58
          +4
          You have to pay for security.
          So Azerbaijan would pay us. We would have guarded it and restored its territorial integrity, but now the moment is missed, of course. The Turks have already received our money and a place in the sun.
          And we will proudly protect isolated, impoverished and betrayed Armenia for our money.
          And the payment of Gyumri is generally an oxymoron.
          Those. Are we paying Aram to protect them?! ..
          It is not for nothing that they say where the Armenian passed, the Jew has nothing to do.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 12: 10
            -6
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            Those. Are we paying Aram to protect them?! ..

            Once again: the tenant pays the landlord - this is normal practice. We pay in Armenia with loans. We pay Tajikistan for the placement of the 201st something there approx. $ 6 million a year, I think. Kyrgyzstan we pay $ 4 million a year for Karakol. We pay for Baikonur to Kazakhstan. No oxymoron, what nonsense?
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            It is not for nothing that they say where the Armenian passed, the Jew has nothing to do.

            this saying only exists in your imagination. In the original, it was about a Ukrainian.
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            So Azerbaijan would pay us.

            but do not fantasize, I would not pay. You generally have a strange idea about military interstate cooperation.
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 12: 18
              -5
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              but do not fantasize, I would not pay.

              If we helped them restore their territorial integrity, I am sure they would have paid.
          2. Paul Siebert
            Paul Siebert 16 November 2020 14: 57
            +3
            Quote: Alexey Sommer
            It is not for nothing that they say where the Armenian passed, the Jew has nothing to do.

            Actually, that's what they say about xoxla.
            But you, Lyosha, know better ...
            Do you measure everything with a hard coin?
            Hydrocarbons?
            Oh well. Someday you will be appreciated and the price tag will be hung.
            Do not be sad looking at the figure ... wink
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 17: 49
              +1
              Quote: Paul Siebert
              Do you measure everything with a hard coin?

              What are you measuring, if not a secret?
              Quote: Paul Siebert
              But you, Lyosha,

              And leave this unceremonious familiarity for your friends, please. hi
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 09
          -4
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          He would pay us in hard cash for the base rental and security ...

          who would pay whom? The tenant usually pays the landlord, not the other way around.

          Right. Therefore, the Russian Federation left Gabala.
    3. Civil
      Civil 16 November 2020 12: 25
      +2
      He will have to go to London, all the leaders and the elite of the "banana" are bringing down there.
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 16 November 2020 12: 50
      0
      Pashinyan is an Armenian Gorbachev.
    5. Gene84
      Gene84 16 November 2020 12: 58
      10
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Pashinyan is slammed

      Maybe they will crash. They will even crash. Only at first he can shed the blood of his opponents and bring Armenia to the brink of civil war.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 16 November 2020 13: 03
        0
        Quote: Gene84

        Maybe they will crash. They will even crash. Only at first he can shed the blood of his opponents and bring Armenia to the brink of civil war.

        This Skin - will make the Civil War without hesitation.
        I wish the Armenians to get ahead of the weed. Now the development of events on the Civil conflict in Armenia itself is the only chance to screw up Russia. I hope the Armenians will not allow more chaos.
        1. Horon
          Horon 16 November 2020 13: 20
          +1
          I hope the Armenians will not allow more chaos.


          Do not feed the horse ...
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 04
      -1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      My opinion is that Pashinyan is thundered ... actually deserved!

      Well, Saakashvili was not killed and his supporters have not gone anywhere ...
      He needs to run, the question is where?

      Soros's henchman will find where to live, unlike refugees from the NKR ...
      The Armenian diaspora in the United States will also not be very happy to see him.

      The Armenian diaspora, like any other Armenian diaspora in other countries, why is Pashinyan better? Who saw their representatives at the front?
      There are 3 million of them in Russia alone, no one helped Armenia from them with money or human resources ... for many it is a stranger for a long time ...
      And those who broke the doors and furniture in the building of the Parliament of Armenia did not rush there from the front line, but came from their warm beds ...
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 16 November 2020 14: 42
        +1
        Surrender of Karabakh, IMHO, internal disassembly. Pashinyan also knocked down the influential Karabakh group. Another redistribution, in the long-suffering, post-Soviet space. He will remain in power, strangle competitors and that's it. No one will pay attention to the cries of the refugees. Loot and power. It is not clear, for what purpose, Putin got in there. To raise the rating, or what is more significant?
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 16 November 2020 15: 04
          0
          Quote: Essex62
          Surrender of Karabakh, IMHO, internal disassembly. Pashinyan also knocked down the influential Karabakh group. Another redistribution, in the long-suffering, post-Soviet space. He will remain in power, strangle competitors and that's it. No one will pay attention to the cries of the refugees. Loot and power. It is not clear, for what purpose, Putin got in there. To raise the rating, or what is more significant?

          Somehow, the "internal disassembly" does not fit with the quantity and quality of the involved persons. Pashinyan received a "pendal" and then let the Armenians deal with him. Somehow I don't see any prospects for him to stay in power and live.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 16 November 2020 16: 55
            +1
            And I do not see any reason, power and money for those who have, to wet him. He fulfilled the task to overwhelm the rival gang. And brilliant. Armenia itself, de jure, did not participate in the war. Karabakh and its poor Armenians, no one needs nafig. He pulled in Putin, stopped the beating. For what will Armenia create a modern, highly equipped army? What should they protect? Traders, some show-off. Not fossils, not industries. Putin will cover from the massacre, if that. Real decision-makers - Armenians live outside of Armenia. And they have a very serious influence on the fate of the World.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 16 November 2020 20: 46
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              Real decision-makers - Armenians live outside of Armenia. And they have a very serious influence on the fate of the World.

              Do you provide a list of "solved"?
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 17 November 2020 06: 23
                -1
                I can't imagine. You can see all sorts of Forbes for yourself. There, Armenian surnames are present in abundance. With the collapse of the USSR, the world became absolutely unipolar, the main hucksters in it are now, without any opposition.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 16 November 2020 20: 44
          -2
          Quote: Essex62
          Surrender of Karabakh, IMHO, internal disassembly.

          This is if Pashinyan was brought to power by the competitors of the "Karabakh" clan without the help of external forces ...
          Another redistribution, in the long-suffering, post-Soviet space.

          The "sufferers" in the post-Soviet space are themselves to blame for the suffering of other peoples of the USSR, and even with the existence of the latter, Armenia itself, unlike Azerbaijan, did everything to make the Armenian SSR a post-Soviet space ...
          He will remain in power, strangle competitors and that's it.

          His stay in power is beneficial to all enemies (or pseudo-friends) of Armenia ... for this, you can throw in the NGOs in Armenia (where they will work, those who did not go to the front in this war), where they will broadcast anti-Russian speeches, telling the Armenians, that the "lying and cowardly Russians" are to blame for everything, and not the brave ares ...
          Nobody will pay attention to the cries of refugees.

          Why should Armenia pay attention to them, before it did not recognize the NKR as a territory of Armenia, and now it does not need the NKR any more ...
          It is not clear, for what purpose, Putin got in there.

          In order to prevent the Turks there, although this is the territory of Azerbaijan ...
          To raise the rating, or what is more significant?

          Raise the rating by creating a threat to its citizens in the form of military units of the RF Armed Forces?
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 17 November 2020 06: 28
            -1
            I will only answer the latter. And when did the authorities fear to pose a threat to the soldiers? And the Turks are already in Azerbaijan and the GDP cannot do anything about it.
            The minus is not mine.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 19 November 2020 16: 46
        0
        Well, let's say there are not 3 Armenians in the Russian Federation, but 1,5 million.
    7. zenion
      zenion 16 November 2020 15: 38
      0
      "Crazy violent few, so there are no leaders." Vladimir Vysotsky. "Kanatchikova dacha".
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 16 November 2020 11: 15
    +2
    An interesting version is expressed by some .... to solve the problem simply, i.e. To fulfill the previous agreements on the transfer / return of several regions to Azerbaijan, the Armenian authorities did not dare to implement due to high nationalist sentiments in the country ... so they brought the solution to this problem to a situation where they decided, it seems, against their will / desire!
    How does this version have the right to live ???
  3. Avior
    Avior 16 November 2020 11: 15
    -3
    Surrendered Karabakh is a controversial issue.
    I handed it over to the Russian peacekeepers, it would be more correct to say.
    Armenia does not want to compete with Azerbaijan economically.
    And whoever was in Pashinyan's place, the result would still be the same.
    Moreover, the support of the Armenian diaspora abroad had a minimal effect.
    Well, perhaps if they approached the issue of arming the army in Armenia correctly, they would not have taken the Iskanders, but the drones, the process would not have taken place so abruptly, but stretched out in time, but it should be borne in mind that Armenia borrowed from Russia, what they gave, but didn’t buy anything she wanted, especially since in Russia UAVs are still a weak point.
    And Israel had to pay, for this money is needed.
    And now from Pashinyan, the brave Armenians far from hostilities make a scapegoat for all the mistakes over the past thirty years, while Pashinyash is only two years old.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 November 2020 11: 29
      0
      Realizing that Pashinyan is better than completely frostbitten nationalists, Moscow will cherish and support him in every possible way. Therefore, "loans" from Moscow for Armenia are expected, naturally "irrecoverable" ... He will serve his two years by rail, and then it will be clear that everything is changing now too quickly to make long-term forecasts ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 16 November 2020 12: 13
        +3
        Quote: Snail N9
        Realizing that Pashinyan is better than completely frostbitten nationalists, Moscow will cherish and support him in every possible way.

        There won't even be half a second. Unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan is a very promising ally. And giving him all of Karabakh to the last stone in exchange for a large Russian base is a great move, the best in the situation. So the more frostbitten the thugs, the better. And Armenia will serve as a wonderful example of what happens to the suckers who have given power over themselves to the Soros. It is a pity that our helicopter was shot down. Very, very sorry.
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 16 November 2020 12: 29
          0
          What can I say. In the post-Soviet space, Putin's law is in force, no less just than the law of gravity. Its wording: democracy in the post-Soviet countries leads to territorial losses. Examples: Georgia. Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia. Strange as it may seem, even Latvia and Estonia: evidence - Pytalovsky and Pechersky districts, Ivangorod. Lithuania alone is an exception - the question must be raised - or behave modestly - or Klaipeda. They are too fat.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 16 November 2020 13: 59
            +3
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            What can I say. Putin's law is in effect in the post-Soviet space

            The law of world politics operates in this area - the country with the most powerful economy and the most powerful army has the greatest influence in the region. If the powers of the countries are incomparable, as in our case, the smaller countries must unquestioningly fulfill the will of the big country.
            T.N. "international law" operated only and exclusively when the Soviet Union was present in the world. Since he was gone, capitalist "international law" returned to work, namely, the law of the strong. democracy there in small countries or tribal system - no one cares. It was, and it will always be so, until the collapse of our unsuccessful civilization.
            The post-Soviet "countries" did not and do not have any rights to any territory. The Russian people conquered them with an armed hand, and we had all the rights to this land. What territories have been allocated during the "divorce", so rejoice. If we change our mind, we'll take something else. Or we will destroy another "country" altogether, if it is openly against us. According to the current world practice, according to the pattern of behavior of the world hegemon.
            The Americans did not want Gaddafi - they came and killed him. They did not want Hussein - and they finished him off. They did not want Assad - another force, no less, gave them a shock. Not Syria, but another force. So no bullshit. Whatever the forces want, they turn back, and the opinion of the "protected" country does not matter.
            Did you want freedom? So eat it, wolves!
          2. rruvim
            rruvim 16 November 2020 18: 24
            +1
            After the "victory" of Sanda and Transnistria, Moldova is lost.
      2. kapitan92
        kapitan92 16 November 2020 12: 26
        +3
        Quote: Snail N9
        Realizing that Pashinyan is better than completely frostbitten nationalists,

        Well yes. "Better a revolutionary syphilitic than a healthy counterrevolutionary," laughing It happened before.
        Frozen nationalists will come to power in Armenia, so what? How does this threaten Russia? Do we have common borders, economy?
        Quote: Snail N9
        Therefore, "loans" from Moscow for Armenia are expected, naturally "irrecoverable"

        Yerevan already owes 300mln. bucks (for 2019).
        How much will the peacekeeping operation in Karabakh cost our budget? There is no UN Security Council mandate, so funding comes from the RF budget.
        The security of our peacekeepers and military units at the bases of Armenia, our border guards guarding the border of Armenia is in question.
        What does the base in Gyumri control? They are hostages of the situation. In the event of a serious conflict, it will be destroyed.
        I wrote and am writing, all the problems are in the absence of a balanced policy of the Russian Federation in relation to the CIS countries !!!
        It is high time for the guarantor to understand that the USSR disappeared 30 years ago and there will be no turning back. And stop living with illusions about the "brotherhood of peoples".
        According to the first reports from Moldova, the "partner" of the Guarantor was also there with a kick in the ass. Outskirts, Kyrgyzstan, RB, Armenia, Moldova. Who is next?
        If nothing is done, but only "concern" is shown, "fruits" will appear faster than the Kremlin thinks.
        Quote: Snail N9
        ... He will serve his two years by train, and then it will be clear that everything is changing too quickly now to make long-term forecasts.

        Of course he will serve, he is under the "roof" of amers. Mishiko feels good, Valtsman-Poroshenko is also not in the zone. smile
        Kovid will help us, otherwise the Armenians would have begun the "great resettlement" to Russia! hi
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 16 November 2020 13: 05
          +2
          Kovid will help us, otherwise the Armenians would have begun the "great resettlement" to Russia!

          Better to go to America, they say life is sweeter. They do not need to go to the terrible totalitarian Russia. Their Nazis have nowhere to go.
        2. BAI
          BAI 16 November 2020 13: 18
          0
          Kovid will help us, otherwise the Armenians would have begun the "great resettlement" to Russia!

          Armenians in Armenia - 2. In Russia - 900 (000th nation in number). Where to go further?
      3. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 16 November 2020 13: 02
        0
        Realizing that Pashinyan is better than completely frostbitten nationalists, Moscow will cherish and support him in every possible way.

        "Moscow" will not support, groom and cherish him. It's Washington, and nothing else. Washington does not support Pashinyan? Who told you that? Are you in the ruling elite? What was agreed there, do you know? Tell us.
        “Moscow” needs to put “its own”. And since she did not put it, it means she cannot or does not want to. Rather, he doesn't want to. Now even the most stupid Dashnaks realize that without the support of Russia, their little nationalist paradise on earth is doomed to be destroyed. There are many other nationalist paradises around, missing. And everyone actively, with the use of weapons, wants to expand. The Dashnaks abandoned the Russian Federation, their tragedy. They did not want to live in a great country, let them live beaten and despised from all sides.
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 28
        -2
        Quote: Snail N9
        Realizing that Pashinyan is better than completely frostbitten nationalists, Moscow will cherish and support him in every possible way. Therefore, "loans" from Moscow for Armenia are expected, naturally "irrecoverable" ... He will serve his two years by rail, and then it will be clear that everything is changing now too quickly to make long-term forecasts ...

        The NKR for Moscow is an alternate airfield, if the RF Armed Forces are thrown out of Armenia, then the RF will withdraw from the Agreement on Military Assistance with Armenia and recognize the NKR as an independent state, the inhabitants of the NKR differ not only in mentality, but also in dialect, the two belligerent states will quickly find a common language, than Armenia pretending to be an ally of the Russian Federation and whose people put a pro-Western person in power ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 16 November 2020 13: 33
          +2
          And will Russia immediately start a war with Azerbaijan for Karabakh?
          Do you really believe that?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 55
            -3
            Quote: Avior
            And will Russia immediately start a war with Azerbaijan for Karabakh?

            Why? NKR only half belongs to Azerbaijan, Karabakh is an empty space for Armenia and Azerbaijan, a symbol ...
            Azerbaijan will now have to restore its part of the NKR for 20 years ..., and the Armenian part of the NKR will hardly be restored ... therefore, it is easier for Armenia and Azerbaijan to give the Armenian part of the NKR to the Russian Federation, there, even under the Russian Federation, people will live humanly, all NKR will not have the troops of Armenia and Azerbaijan, no one will fight .... with a friend ... the NKR will be a demilitarized territory, where the WB (electronic warfare and RTR facilities, radar stations in the mountains, air defense units and OTRK) will be only Russian and only in its Armenian part ...
            Then our presence in Armenia can be reduced, starting with the withdrawal of the PW by the FSB of the Russian Federation ... and reducing the land component of the 102nd WB of the Russian Federation ....
            1. Avior
              Avior 16 November 2020 14: 02
              +3
              Karabakh as a whole is the generally recognized territory of Azerbaijan, and Azerbaijan did not refuse this.
              The fact that the restoration of the Armenian part is necessary for Azerbaijan insofar as.
              The peacekeepers were introduced under a five-year contract.
              Azerbaijan does not need a Russian military base.
              So only a war.
              Why is it Russia?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 16 November 2020 14: 14
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                The peacekeepers were introduced under a five-year contract.

                Life, it always makes adjustments ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior 16 November 2020 15: 06
                  +2
                  All the same, this is a military conflict, and in Karabakh, Russian troops without the status of a peacekeeper will find themselves in a very disadvantageous position.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 16 November 2020 20: 48
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                    Quote: Avior
                    in Karabakh, Russian troops without peacekeeping status will find themselves in a very disadvantageous position.

                    They were given this status by the two opposing states, and back in the 90s ...
    2. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 16 November 2020 11: 38
      0
      "Has surrendered Karabakh is a controversial issue.
      I handed it over to the Russian peacekeepers - it would be more correct to say ... "

      The peacekeepers are just a monitoring group, observers. They cannot accept the territories that Armenia is transferring to Azerbaijan. They are unable to provide forcible enforcement to comply with agreements. Just watch that there is no escalation.
    3. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2020 11: 40
      +4
      And what does the Armenian diaspora have to do with it? People left their homeland, not because of a good life. And most of this diaspora has become completely Russified. And I understand them. We have an Armenian at work. He was brought to Russia as a child. He has problems with Karabakh - to one place. Wonderful person. Wife children. And in the team, they respect him. And besides, he did not ride in the squares of Yerevan ... So, let the Armenians themselves figure it out.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 November 2020 11: 48
        +3
        Armenian Diaspora around the world.
        There are two to three times more Armenians in the world than in Armenia. It took centuries to form
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 12: 14
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          Armenian Diaspora around the world.
          There are two to three times more Armenians in the world than in Armenia. It took centuries to form

          so what? What is the connection between the number of Armenian diasporas and the Karabakh problem?
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 November 2020 12: 42
            +1
            The Diaspora did not support Armenia financially.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 16 November 2020 13: 06
              0
              Ahahahaha. Should have?
      2. Babayka babaykin
        Babayka babaykin 16 November 2020 13: 16
        +1
        Armenians are very crafty and I would advise you not to create illusions about the Armenians
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 16 November 2020 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Surrendered Karabakh is a controversial issue.

      Absolutely indisputable. Aliyev would never have started a war without being firmly convinced that Moscow would not intervene on the side of the Armenians. Aliyev is smart.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 November 2020 12: 13
        +1
        Moscow would not have intervened under the circumstances without Pashinyan.
        Why did Moscow need it?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 16 November 2020 12: 18
          +5
          I would have intervened instantly. There are many considerations and the first is our main advantage in the international arena - loyalty to our allies. It is worth refuting this once, and our policy, already extremely shaky, will collapse altogether. Well, the Armenians clearly and specifically betrayed their main ally. For which they immediately paid the most severely. A very, very telling example. But the Syrians did not betray us, and the United States itself could not do anything with them. So to speak, feel the difference ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 November 2020 12: 27
            +1
            Don't be confused.
            Karabakh is not Russia's ally.
            And because of Karabakh, it makes no sense for Russia to attack Azerbaijan, which is quite friendly to Russia.
            If Azerbaijan attacked Armenia, then they would intervene.
            But Azerbaijan did not attack Armenia, as he himself knows this very well, and there is no need for him to attack Armenia.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 16 November 2020 16: 55
              +2
              Yes, you don't. There is no need to confuse the little pieces of paper signed by clowns for clowning and the real layouts of real affairs. Hooks of this kind exist so that there is freedom of maneuver. Karabakh was given to Armenia in a "divorce" from the USSR. And he would have remained Armenian always, had the Armenians not behaved like the last scum. A lesson to others, the Armenians themselves apparently cannot be taught anything.
    5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 12: 38
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      Well, perhaps if they approached the issue of arming the army in Armenia correctly, they would not take the Iskander, but the drones,

      You answered yourself - the Russian Federation, in exchange for the base, provided military loans for $ 300 million. The Armenians "took" what they were given, the poor do not have much to choose. And of course, you cannot equip an army with donations from the diasporas. These are all more gestures for different tweets and other garbage cans to admire yourself. By and large, diasporas do not care about their small homeland. They will wave flags somewhere in Marseilles, arrange rides around Moscow - and all the patriotism.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 November 2020 12: 45
        +6
        I have no doubt that the most correct way out for the Armenians was to come to an agreement with Azerbaijan in due time, while they had military superiority. Now he is gone.
        Armenia does not have the resources to confront Baku.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Avior
          for the Armenians it was necessary to come to an agreement with Azerbaijan in due time, while they had military superiority.

          with military superiority, they do not negotiate, but dictate)
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 November 2020 13: 35
            +2
            Yes, the Armenians made this very mistake.
            They did not consider that this would not last forever and did not take advantage of the opportunity.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 37
          0
          Quote: Avior
          I have no doubt that the most correct way out for the Armenians was to come to an agreement with Azerbaijan in due time, while they had military superiority. Now he is gone.
          Armenia does not have the resources to confront Baku.

          The Armenians have never had superiority over Azerbaijan, incl. during the first Karabakh war, but they had military skill and a thirst for victory of the whole people, this was no longer observed in this war ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 November 2020 13: 40
            +3
            I wrote neo superiority, but about military superiority
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 23
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      And whoever was in Pashinyan's place, the result would still be the same.
      Moreover, the support of the Armenian diaspora abroad had a minimal effect.
      And now from Pashinyan, the brave Armenians far from hostilities make a scapegoat for all the mistakes over the past thirty years, while Pashinyash is only two years old.

      Right. For almost 1/4 of a century, the Karabakh clan did nothing for the defense of the NKR, even in engineering terms, the future theater of operations did not prepare, neither the mining of tank-hazardous directions and few roads, nor tank and artillery ambushes, nor a developed military air defense (knowing that even without the UAV, The Azerbaijani Air Force is stronger) ...
      A complete mobilization has been announced in Armenia (!), And numerous rallies of people of draft age are gathering in Yerevan ...
      All the military leadership of Armenia (both current and past) should be judged; they were paid salary for this ...
  4. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 November 2020 11: 18
    +3
    They did not recognize Karabakh in their time, everyone imagined themselves masters of behind-the-scenes intrigue. What will this grief leader do with the refugees?
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 11: 36
      +1
      To recognize Karabakh - to drag Armenia into the war, and in a situation where Russia will not support Armenia.
      Armenia does not pull a full-fledged war against Azerbaijan, for it it is death to the economy.
      Therefore, even the representatives of the Karabakh clan, who had been leading Armenia for a long time, did not recognize Karabakh.
  5. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 November 2020 11: 21
    0
    Nicolas got his way. Russia was dragged into the conflict, while at the level of a peacemaker. We launched the process of surrendering Karabakh. Turkish (aka NATO) troops in Azerbaijan, i.e. already in the Caspian.
    The worst that can ever happen is the disappointment of the population in Russia and the withdrawal of the 102nd military base.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 11: 32
      +5
      Quote: 7,62x54
      The worst that can ever happen is the disappointment of the population in Russia and the withdrawal of the 102nd military base.

      And what's wrong with that? Why do we need this base there?
      What good was it now?
      Even peacekeepers were not brought to NKR from it. Do you know why? In 102nd the majority of Armenians serve.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 16 November 2020 13: 42
        -1
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        In 102nd the majority of Armenians serve.

        Therefore, it will be disbanded, and V and VT (which has no value) will be transferred to Armenia ...
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 16 November 2020 11: 58
      +1
      Turkish (aka NATO) troops in Azerbaijan, i.e. already in the Caspian.
      Azerbaijan is not just gold, it is a diamond piece of the Caucasus. Azerbaijan is access to huge oil reserves, it is access to the Caspian Sea and it is the gateway to Central Asia !!!
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  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2020 11: 33
    -2
    He would go to Ukraine. There, people like him, the very place. And the people, stupidity and duped, for the most part. Pashinyan will be fine there. Just right. Again, they love to dance there.
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 16 November 2020 11: 34
    +4
    and this can be problematic: neither the West has helped, and Russia has no trust in the man of George Soros.
    ... as in that joke: ..War, Russian village, German commandant's office. The announcement on the commandant's office says: those who show the partisan base, we will give money and a cow! The local grandfather scratched his head - there is nothing to do, I want to eat, I went to the commandant, so they say and so, I will take you to the base. The next night, the Nazis attacked the partisan camp and shot everyone. The next morning, exactly the grandfather came for the cow, and with his kick - go out of here, old man, be glad that you were not counted at the same time. My grandfather came out, scratched his turnip: y-yes, they didn't give money and a cow, and somehow it didn't work out well with the guys ... laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 11: 51
      +1
      This is Nikulin's old anecdote about how Mazai's grandfather saved hares.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 16 November 2020 12: 00
        +2
        Old, new is not the essence ... The situation is similar ...
  9. Selevc
    Selevc 16 November 2020 11: 51
    +7
    Everything is natural - the more progressive side won the war !!! A country that possesses modern technologies of warfare defeated a country that did not have these technologies !!!

    Armenia and Karabakh now resemble a flock of lions ruled by rams !!! Guys, Armenians, you will figure it out - why are rams running you ??? !!!
    1) Maybe ordinary Armenians did not know how much Yerevan and Baku spend on rearmament of the army - Pashinyan and Sargsyan knew this !!!
    2) Maybe ordinary Armenians did not know that Baku was buying UAVs - the Pashinyans and Sargsyans knew this very well !!!
    3) Maybe the people of Armenia did not think that the southern part of Karabakh is a bare steppe for tens of kilometers - but the people do not need to know this. The Armenian General Staff should have known this and accordingly built a special defense in this area.

    What is happening in Armenia is what is happening in all the republics of the former USSR. The country is ruled by cyborg Martians from Mars - people from a different reality, living in their comfortable world cut off from the life of the people ... And these Martians not only routinely rob their people and lie to them - they also screwed up to the fullest in terms of the country's defense - the result is obvious !!!
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 12: 05
      +9
      There are no problems with the defense of Armenia, since no one attacks it.
      But there is a problem with Karabakh. Due to a coincidence of circumstances, Armenia once grabbed a piece that it could not chew.
      And instead of agreeing normally, she decided that luck would always be on her side.
      But the result turned out to be logical, you can't count on luck all the time, and on the opponent's mistakes ...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 12: 52
      -3
      Quote: Selevc
      Armenia and Karabakh now resemble a flock of lions

      Are these Armenians lions? Just somehow offensive for the representatives of the felines ...
      Quote: Selevc
      run by rams !!!

      rams are worthy to be ruled by rams - what's the problem?
  10. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 16 November 2020 12: 03
    +2
    I quote: "Pashinyan is ready to hold on to power no weaker than Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. But the accusations against the Armenian leader from the "concerned world community" have not yet been heard "... The question is interesting, but rhetorical, because it is clear to everyone. Pashinyan is their "son of a son", and Lukashenko, with some reservations, although he has strayed, is still "Our son of a son".
  11. Serpet
    Serpet 16 November 2020 12: 03
    +4
    Pashinyan grabbed the chair worse than other "authoritarian dictators", and does not want to leave it at all

    He hopes that while he is at the helm, there is a chance to outlast opponents.
  12. Ersh
    Ersh 16 November 2020 12: 40
    -1
    Armenia remained only because in 2014-2015 the Russian imperial army defeated the Turkish army and stopped the genocide. This is a historical fact. If not for the war with Germany, the rest of Armenia would have been taken away from the Turks. But he did not have enough strength for this, or maybe Nicholas II did not have enough determination. It was at the beginning of the last century that the Armenians began to leave en masse, mostly from the Turkish part of Armenia.
    And so - this is a poor country without natural resources. It can exist only with the support of Russia, both political and economic. This is also a fact. But the Armenians started to "spit in the well"! So we paid.
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 November 2020 13: 07
      +4
      Quote: Ersh
      Armenia remained only because in 2014-2015 years Russian imperial army

      Well, I think nifiga myself belay belay belay - already ???? !!!! And I never heard ... recourse recourse recourse but then I felt better
      Quote: Ersh
      у Nicholas II lacked determination.
  13. sergo1914
    sergo1914 16 November 2020 12: 49
    +2
    The surrender of Karabakh was a complete political failure of the Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan.


    Why would it fail? What was left for him? Expect a complete defeat and complete loss of Karabakh? He stopped the war. And at that moment, when there was already nothing to fight with and nobody. He left part of the territory. Now they will shout and calm down. Another monument will be erected.
  14. Victorio
    Victorio 16 November 2020 12: 52
    +2
    If Pashinyan does not leave
    ===
    Pashinyan's curators decide this
  15. Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 16 November 2020 12: 53
    -1
    Whether Pashinyan leaves or not, nothing will change.
  16. Cottager452
    Cottager452 16 November 2020 12: 56
    0
    Armenia just happened to be at the wrong time, in the wrong place, a small change in the calculations of the globalists, whose goal is to weaken Turkey and Russia.
  17. BAI
    BAI 16 November 2020 13: 11
    +3
    grabbed the chair worse than other "authoritarian dictators", and does not want to leave it at all

    No one voluntarily surrendered power.
  18. Viktor Stepanov
    Viktor Stepanov 17 November 2020 08: 28
    0
    Armenia is on the verge of extinction
  19. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 17 November 2020 17: 43
    0
    and there the troubled times are coming to an end "- Why would it suddenly? Or do you have something specific? They have not emptied the whole bowl of shit, far from all ... And their" pro-Russian "Medvedchuk is the same guano as and others, only the wrapper is different and closer to the body of the GDP.
  20. flicker
    flicker 17 November 2020 23: 54
    0
    But, as the events in Yerevan show, even after such a defeat, Pashinyan is not going to leave the post of head of government.

    That's why it isn't going to?

    he grabbed the chair worse than other "authoritarian dictators", and does not want to leave it at all, even in a situation when it is obvious: he entered the history of the country and the Armenian people as a person under whom half of Karabakh was lost.

    That is why he does not want to leave and at the same time hides somewhere?
    ---
    Maybe people don't know everything?
    ---
    And why does no one demand the resignation of Armen Sargsyan?
  21. flicker
    flicker 21 November 2020 02: 01
    0
    Pashinyan today and two years ago are two different Pashinyans.
    Pashinyan is ready to hold on to power no weaker than Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko
    Stamps.
    Lukashenka is not so much holding on to power as he does not want to lose the Belarus that he created.
    Pashinyan, by virtue of the fact that he now knows more than he knew before, wants to fix his mistakes.
    And then it looks like it will go away.
  22. itis
    itis 21 November 2020 18: 13
    0
    Pashinyan is needed at the post to start a civil war. Neither the base nor the peacekeepers are welcomed by our partners in Armenia. It is not necessary to set fire to the Caucasus mind, they have been doing this for hundreds of years.