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Foreign press: Chinese J-20 fighter can defeat American F-22s with special tactics

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Many weapons experts have acknowledged that the American F-22 Raptor or F-35 fighter aircraft is superior to the Chinese J-20 and is capable of defeating them in aerial duels. But it is quite possible that a slightly different mission is assigned to the Chinese fighter.


Smriti Chaudhary, the author of an article published by the Eurasia Times, discusses this topic.

The Chengdu J-20 aircraft is considered the 5th generation fighter of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force. Its special capabilities are revealed by the chief designer of these fifth generation stealth aircraft, Yang Wei.

This revolutionary fighter is characterized by a long range, high decision-making speed and great firepower. According to some analysts, it is ideal for destroying American air tankers and reconnaissance aircraft.

According to Justin Bronk, an analyst at the Royal United Services Institute in London, the J-20 has the most impressive stealth currently in production or testing. It is capable of carrying an impressive amount of fuel in its internal tanks. In addition, the fuel supply can be stored in four external tanks on dumped underwing pylons. On what basis analyst Bronk concludes that it is the J-20 that has the greatest stealth among all fighters in the world is an open question.

At the same time, he believes that due to its heavy weight and low maneuverability, the J-20 cannot effectively withstand the highly maneuverable F-22 Raptor in open combat, but he is able to defeat it with the help of special tactics.

The Chinese fighter would have no chance in the limited space of the European theater of operations, but the PRC Air Force is unlikely to ever appear there. It is more likely that they will have to operate in the wide expanses of the Pacific, where they can show their advantage in flight range. If the F-22 is limited in operations with a radius of about 800 kilometers, then the Chinese fighter has more than 1100 kilometers.

Over the South China Sea, Raptors will depend on refueling planes, according to Forbes expert David Ax. And the Chinese J-20, in order to defeat the F-22, will not have to get involved in an open confrontation with them, but rather destroy the air tankers. Then the F-22 will run out of fuel, they will not be able to return to base and will simply collapse into the water, and the J-20 will still have a supply of fuel during the operation.

When classifying the Chinese Chengdu J-20 fighter, some experts attribute it to the fourth generation, noting that its characteristics do not reach the fifth.
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  1. HAM
    HAM 15 November 2020 18: 40
    15
    Well, like little children ...
  2. Russ
    Russ 15 November 2020 18: 42
    +6
    The main thing is maneuvers! yes
  3. ancient
    ancient 15 November 2020 18: 43
    12
    "According to expert David Ax of Forbes" .....,
    Apparently, this "eksperdDD" has not yet "come out" of .... "nursery age" wassat ...... even to read ... "not funny" No. ... why place such fool ..."articles"?
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 November 2020 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: ancient
      why place such ... "articles" on the site?

      Just for lulz (purely for fun).
  4. SaLaR
    SaLaR 15 November 2020 18: 44
    -3
    Quote: HAM
    Well, like little children ...

    The main thing is what they are trying to do ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 15 November 2020 18: 50
      +4
      I mean not the Chinese, but the Experts .... boltologists.
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 15 November 2020 19: 11
        +4
        Do not scold the pianist .. he does not own the instrument ..)) The main thing is that the pindas don’t know about this tactic ..)) But we won’t tell them? ...)))))))))
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 15 November 2020 22: 36
          +5
          Quote: SaLaR
          he does not own the instrument ..
          "That's for sure!" - as the Red Army soldier Sukhov said in "Red Sun ..."
          Quote: SaLaR
          The main thing is that the pind ... don't know about this tactic ..

          The Yankees are so naive that they won't even hang their AWACS over the DB area, and will not organize the protection of the loitering area of ​​their tankers ...
          Well, just like small children! And nothing more!
          And the second question: but what about the J20 with a thermal effect?
          Why is the AL-31 shining with a Christmas tree in our country, while the whale's dvigun is an example of stealth ... Miracles, and nothing more! And there is no spacecraft with IR and OLS over the area ...
          In short, as Alice used to say: - "The further, the more curious and curious" (c).
          AHA.
  5. poquello
    poquello 15 November 2020 18: 52
    0
    stealth from all currently in production or at the testing stage. It is capable of carrying an impressive amount of fuel in its internal tanks. In addition, the fuel supply can be stored in four external tanks on dumped underwing pylons. On what basis analyst Bronk concludes that it is the J-20 that has the greatest stealth among all fighters in the world is an open question.

    where open? of all in China, no questions asked
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 15 November 2020 19: 06
    +6
    Is this Chinese fighter plane such a strange tactic or did the author of the material have a childhood in the priest?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 15 November 2020 19: 32
      +2
      Well, that's what we said at school:
      "Freeze the enemy by running."
      Not otherwise, our "wisdom" has reached China.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 04: 46
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        "Freeze the enemy by running."

        And better:
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 November 2020 19: 12
    0
    Well, yes, the Chinese have only the smallest thing left - to create their own reliable engine for their j20! And no one forbids the dream of hundreds of destroyed Yankee planes ...
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 November 2020 19: 24
    +1
    The main thing in their strategy is quantity. How much the Chinese will be able to mass-produce them. If at the F35 level, then this is a serious claim for success ..... we also need avaks and refuellers.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 November 2020 21: 13
      +3
      The rates of production of the F-35 have not yet been mastered.
      Released approximately 40-50 J-20.
      2 squadrons are + plus.
      The article correctly highlighted the large range of the J-20. They have to "reach" the aircraft carriers. If you sneak up unnoticed, then AUG will be able to "scare" pretty much. Drowning an aircraft carrier is unlikely ...
      But they will go down in history.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 15 November 2020 21: 42
        0
        Serial production - 50% of the problems. But the Chinese are stubborn and, most importantly, their plans and strategy do not wag. DIFFERENT FROM RF. This means that a large number of J20 is a matter of time.
      2. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 15 November 2020 21: 44
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The article correctly highlighted the large range of the J-20.

        However, experts are so flattering about Jay 20, and so derogatory about the SU-57.
        At the same time, Sushka has the greatest range. And by the way, the maneuverability of the 57th is apparently also the best.
        And by stealth, Jay 20 and Su 57, even my grandmother said for two.
        The duck scheme, as "iksperdy" say, and the AL 31 engines, treat stealth in the same way as a saddle does a cow. hi
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 November 2020 22: 29
          -1
          The key indicator now is the ability of serial production .... and the number of them. The Americans are already ahead here. Neither the Chinese nor we can do "cheap and much". The 5th generation is expensive and complex.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 15 November 2020 23: 49
          -1
          "Duck scheme as they say" iksperdy "////
          ----
          That's right - any slats are not welcome. recourse
          But there is no tail, which is cut from the back.
          There are compromises here: if you want to "disappear" (almost smile )
          with centimeter radars, you need to turn into a big B-2. laughing
          But you will lose your maneuverability.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 16 November 2020 04: 35
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But there is no tail, which is cut from the back.

            laughing Where did it go with Jay 20?
            There is quite a decent tail. Don't confuse the duck with the B2 flying wing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 November 2020 11: 04
              +1
              Yes, you are right, there is a tail.
        3. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 November 2020 16: 42
          0
          https://youtu.be/DnUTPwfuJHE

          In DCS, they fought at close range from a long distance (Su-27 versus F-22). Not fair request
        4. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 November 2020 17: 13
          0
          The J-20 has a coating, unlike all existing images of the Su-57.
          And there is a coverless lantern.
      3. Avior
        Avior 15 November 2020 23: 17
        0
        If we are talking about aircraft carriers, then we need to compare not with the f-22, but with the f-35s.
        The Chinese have no chance.
        The American has a larger radius even without refueling.
        And if you take into account that the UAVs are going to transfer refueling on aircraft carriers, but at the same time the Superhornet also has this opportunity, then the real chances of the Chinese are even lower.
      4. Revolver
        Revolver 15 November 2020 23: 36
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        They have to "reach" the aircraft carriers.

        Over the ocean, the J-20 will have to deal not with the F-22, but with the F-35, based on aircraft carriers. Well, also with the air defense of destroyers equipped with Aegis. F-22s will operate from bases in Japan and Korea, maybe the Philippines, if they decide to reactivate Clark Field.
        And yet, if the Chinese are going to attach anything, let alone fuel tanks, to the external suspension, then what the fuck is invisibility? I don’t believe that the Chinese have managed to invent something that they have been fighting for a long time in America, and in Israel, and probably in Russia too. To copy is about them, but to invent is never about them.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 November 2020 16: 58
          0
          Will be refueling in the air. Or dump the tanks.
      5. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 05: 04
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The article correctly highlighted the large range of the J-20. They have to "reach" the aircraft carriers. If you sneak up unnoticed, then AUG will be able to "scare" pretty much. Drowning an aircraft carrier is unlikely ...
        But they will go down in history.

        I will not argue with you, because the stage of throwing hats took place in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces. What is interesting about Chinese military production is that it does not stand still and is moving (catching up) with the leaders with leaps and bounds. Would you like to introduce us to J-20 pilots with Mausers in their hands and lemons on their belts? Here's a video from YuoTube:

        Who told you that China is not preparing a semblance of the Russian "Dagger"? And then, if there is a sufficient amount of J-20 (or another model), American AUGs will have to quietly "pan" at a distance ...
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 November 2020 17: 12
          0
          The dagger needs to transfer target designation.
          By its own means, the aircraft can receive it from 150-200 km, being in the affected area of ​​the air defense of the AB security group. (I'm not talking about the E-2D on duty in the air and the patrol of super hornets).
          (Satellite photo is not target designation)
      6. krops777
        krops777 16 November 2020 07: 36
        0
        Drowning an aircraft carrier is unlikely ...


        And to drown it and it is not necessary to drop the rocket on the runway enough.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 17 November 2020 16: 59
          0
          If you can drop it.
  9. Freedim
    Freedim 15 November 2020 20: 26
    +2
    The secret tactic is simple ... Make planes bigger than the American missiles ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 05: 14
      +2
      Quote: FreeDIM
      The secret tactic is simple ... Make planes bigger than the American missiles ...

      Let's laugh together at:
      The Battle of Agincourt (French Bataille d'Azincourt, English Battle of Agincourt) is a major battle that took place on October 25, 1415 between French and English troops near the town of Agincourt in northern France during the Hundred Years War. The peculiarity of this battle lies in the fact that the French army, which had multiple numerical superiority, suffered a crushing defeat, having suffered significant losses. The reason for such a striking disproportion in losses (several thousand from the French and only a few dozen from the British) there was a tactically competent use by the British of the masses of shooters armed with long bows, in combination with detachments of heavily armed warriors.

      It turns out that size (in our case, range) matters.
  10. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 15 November 2020 20: 41
    -1
    Well, the author piled up, everything is in a heap, and the Chinese 5th generation and the general 4 and 5. He himself does not seem to be a seket in the subject at all. Jay 20 is an upgrade of Jay10 to 2 engines. Stupidly, based on the light 10th, they made the heavy 20th. Remind the roots of the Chinese 10 The very fact that a dozen aircraft are good in their niche. But what does it have to do with the 5th (not Chinese) generation? 20tka of the level of 29x flashes, not even 35x. In the junkyard, the F-35e will probably be shod with difficulty, but the 22e is unlikely. Long-range combat is out of the question.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 November 2020 21: 18
      +5
      "Jay 20 is an upgrade of Jay10 to 2 engines." ///
      ----
      Nothing in common.
      J-10 is Israeli Lavi. Analogue of F-16 with elements from Mirage.
      J-20 is a completely independent development of China.
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 15 November 2020 21: 48
        -1
        Don't you really see the similarities?

        Then, with the same success, we can say that the Su-30cm, Su-34 are completely different aircraft that have no connection with the Su-27. Even the 30/34 has a completely different aerodynamic configuration.
  11. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 15 November 2020 21: 45
    +1
    "Special Chinese tactics (and the strategy is the same) "- put 100 fighters against ONE enemy ... the amount of" mobresource "allows soldier
  12. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 15 November 2020 22: 55
    0
    Yes, figurative experts. They suck details and "tactics" out of their finger ...
  13. IC
    IC 15 November 2020 23: 52
    0
    It is hard to believe in the possibility of refueling in the air in real combat conditions.
  14. johnatan.kowalski
    johnatan.kowalski 16 November 2020 00: 58
    -2
    The Chinese have a platoon of cars from an UAV, they'll throw a swarm of hats in each car, they can do it)
  15. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 16 November 2020 01: 04
    0
    Smriti Chaudhary, the author of an article published by the Eurasia Times, discusses this topic.

    As I understand it, "Indian expert"! There are also those experts))) wink
    Shoot down tankers, this is not a Chinese tactic, it is like a global trend, there is no fuel for all the planes on the ground! wink
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 16 November 2020 05: 13
      0
      ......... According to expert David Ax of Forbes .................
  16. YOUR
    YOUR 16 November 2020 05: 10
    +2
    An expert from Forbes?
    It's funny. F-22 will depend on tankers and
    The Raptors will depend on the tanker aircraft. And the Chinese J-20, in order to defeat the F-22, will not have to get involved in an open confrontation with them, but rather destroy the air tankers. Then the F-22 will run out of fuel, they will not be able to return to base and will simply collapse into the water.

    Actually, this is how it is done. The refueling plane flies along with the combat aircraft, not reaching the intended place of the mission, refueling the combat aircraft and going back, the tanker also flies to replace it and meets the planes flying back somewhere. In such conditions, tankers will be heavily guarded by other fighters. Plus, such a group will definitely have an AWACS aircraft.
    The expert has such notions that the tanker is constantly with combat aircraft, and they fly up to him at the necessary moment and refuel further into battle.
    Forbes what to take from them, if they also cover financial issues just as "coolly" and give forecasts, then vague doubts begin to torment, there are specialists or as the left heel suggested.
  17. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 November 2020 06: 11
    0
    It's funny to read about stealth.
    Who, where and when measured it?
    Not everything is known about the old F22, although it has already appeared in many places. And where does the data about the J20 come from?
  18. polar fox
    polar fox 16 November 2020 07: 06
    +2
    yes ... like in the movie Taxi: their car eats more and they will soon run out of gasoline, then we will catch them!
  19. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 16 November 2020 08: 14
    0
    If you include the word "impressive" several times in an article, you will be an impressive expert. Special tactic: fly to death? In the UK "experts" are cleaner than Ukrainian ones.
  20. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 16 November 2020 12: 43
    0
    air-to-air missiles with a nuclear warhead ...?
  21. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 16 November 2020 14: 26
    0
    J-20 eto tot kotoriy "rozrabotan" iz MiG 1.44?
  22. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 16 November 2020 15: 46
    0
    Aha! And the Chinese can also spoil the air in the F-22 cockpit and spit on its food at the base, as well as make a defective iPhone ... and sit on the river bank, waiting for the F-22 pilot's corpse to float by ... Yeah. Here are the clowns!