Newest AK-12 assault rifles spotted by Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh

Russian military personnel deployed the headquarters of the peacekeeping mission in Stepanakert. Recall that under the agreement signed on November 9, a Russian peacekeeping contingent consisting of 1960 servicemen of the RF Armed Forces was deployed in Nagorno-Karabakh. The basis of the contingent is the soldiers and officers of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade of the Russian Armed Forces.

The footage of the deployment of Russian peacekeepers in Stepanakert allows you to see weapon, which is a regular one for the mission in Karabakh. In particular, Russian servicemen have the latest AK-12 assault rifles, which have recently begun to enter the troops.

Earlier it was reported that AK-12 assault rifles were not used anywhere outside Russia, except in the Syrian Arab Republic.

Kalashnikov AK-12 assault rifles have been produced since the end of 2018.

In addition to Stepanakert, Russian peacekeepers are deployed along the line of demarcation of the sides, as well as in the Lachin corridor connecting Stepanakert with the territory of the Republic of Armenia.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has disseminated another video from the territories that came under Azerbaijani control either during the battles or after the concluded agreement. This time, footage from Hadrut and the village of Tug (Khojavend region) was demonstrated.

On footage taken from drone, you can see the deserted streets of these settlements. Recall that earlier the Armenian population tried to leave the territories before the arrival of the Azerbaijani army.

Comments

[Doccor18]

I am very glad that the developments are going to the army. And the equipment of the Russian infantrymen in recent years looks more and more relevant to the times.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doccor18

I am very glad that the developments are going to the army. And the equipment of the Russian infantrymen in recent years looks more and more relevant to the times

The newest assault rifle is good, but some electronic warfare systems are more powerful, and there are a couple of dozen TOPs ... For greater peace of mind. This is if Azerbaijan cannot reason with the Turks.

[carstorm 11]

the list of vehicles allowed for peacekeepers is very limited. and there is no air defense at all, like any heavy equipment. armored vehicles. maximum armored personnel carriers.

[RED_ICE]

They brought electronic warfare with them

[carstorm 11]

Electronic warfare is not from this opera. They cannot be tied to anything by any agreements. only to limit the number of special equipment in general.

[Carp]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The newest assault rifle is good, but some electronic warfare systems are more powerful, and there are a couple of dozen TOPs ... For greater peace of mind. This is if Azerbaijan cannot reason with the Turks.

Evgeny there will provide ours in full and elite units there that have passed through Chechnya, Crimea, etc. Know what for what and know how to wet! I am sure there are electronic warfare stations deployed there, etc. and Israel will be finished off! This is a very serious matter for Russia in this region. Iran will also help us in this matter .. This also applies to them!

[Old tanker]

And what prevented from our base in Gyumri to finish off Israel? I am sure that everything that we need from electronic and radio-technical intelligence has long been deployed in Gyumri. And the peacekeepers have their own tasks and deep RER is clearly not their strong point.

[Professor]

Quote: Old Tankman

And what prevented from our base in Gyumri to finish off Israel? Have

Hmm ... For example, Mount Ararat, which is 5500 m high. In Soviet times, a radio engineering unit was deployed in Leninakan in the area of ​​the Cossack post. They were only enough for eastern Turkey.

Quote: Old Tankman

I am sure that everything that we need from electronic and electronic intelligence equipment has long been deployed in Gyumri

What for? The Russian Federation has had everything under Israel's nose in Syria for a long time.

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Newest AK-12 assault rifles spotted by Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh

I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears. From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples. Where are Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears.

You will still weep with joy when our shabby cars are brought into Israel to protect former Soviet citizens from their massacre by Arab extremists ...

[Professor]

Everything? Don't you shout anymore that everything is Azerbaijani agitprop?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Everything? Don't you shout anymore that everything is Azerbaijani agitprop?

They have not yet grown to the Israeli level - as soon as they grow to you, I will immediately inform you about it. But they were already close. By the way, there was a division in Leninakan, and the radio technical post was air defense, not intelligence - oh, you are our darkness, "professor" ...

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: professor

Everything? Don't you shout anymore that everything is Azerbaijani agitprop?

They have not yet grown to the Israeli level - as soon as they grow to you, I will immediately inform you about it. But they were already close. By the way, there was a division in Leninakan, and the radio technical post was air defense, not intelligence - oh, you are our darkness, "professor" ...

I still do not understand, Azerbaijanis occupied Shushi, or do you think this is all Azerbaijani propaganda?

Again, you are not in the subject and confused the warm with the soft. Part of the electronic intelligence was deployed next to the artillery regiment, and their antennas were located on the territory of the sapper battalion. The air defense men were in the foothills of Alagez and west of the sapper battalion at the Cossack post.

[venik]

Quote: professor

Again you are not in the subject

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I do not understand ... They seem to be addressing you with "you", and you "poke" in response. Is this rudeness or arrogance?

[Professor]

Quote: venik

Quote: professor

Again you are not in the subject

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I do not understand ... They seem to be addressing you with "you", and you "poke" in response. Is this rudeness or arrogance?

Are you his lawyer? We are old acquaintances and he doesn’t like "you".

[venik]

Quote: professor

We are old acquaintances and he doesn’t like "you".

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Do you "pull"? At least he does not "poke" you!

Quote: professor

Are you his lawyer?

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I just don't like rudeness!

[Professor]

And I hate rudeness, and as you can see, I am extremely polite with all site visitors. The only exceptions are the boors themselves.

[Old tanker]

Professor, do not confuse electronic intelligence with electronic intelligence. RTR is just one type of RER.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Part of the electronic intelligence was deployed next to the artillery regiment,

The artillery regiment was in the lowlands, so do not fantasize, because other positions are chosen for the RTR units. The fact that the antennas were deployed does not mean anything, all the more why deploy antennas on the territory of a foreign unit, if there is always a strict regime for reconnaissance units at facilities - it is forbidden to let anyone into their territory without the permission of the intelligence chief. The antennas could belong to the transmitting center of the communications battalion, which was stationed in the fortress - teach materiel, "military specialist".

Quote: professor

I still do not understand, Azerbaijanis occupied Shushi, or do you think this is all Azerbaijani propaganda?

When the president was praising himself with them and laughed at the president of the defeated country, it immediately became clear to me that he was clearly finishing MGIMO ...

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

The artillery regiment was stationed in the lowlands, so don't fantasize, because other positions are chosen for the RTR units.

Don't tell tales. The artillery regiment was stationed at the Cossack post. Marked in red here. Blue sapper battalion. Black is part of the air defense. The yellow part of the RTR.

Quote: ccsr

The fact that the antennas were deployed does not mean anything, all the more why deploy antennas on the territory of a foreign unit, if there is always a strict regime for reconnaissance units at objects - it is forbidden to let anyone into their territory without the permission of the intelligence chief. The antennas could belong to the transmitting center of the communications battalion, which was stationed in the fortress - teach materiel, "military specialist".

Again you are out of topic. "could" you say? The antennas belonged to the scouts and were located on the territory of the sapper battalion. Yes, everything was mixed there. For example, on the territory of the artillery regiment there was also ... a school of cooks.
Can you find the part numbers yourself?

Quote: ccsr

When the president was praising himself with them and laughed at the president of the defeated country, it immediately became clear to me that he was clearly finishing MGIMO ...

So Shushi was filmed at a Baku film studio? Agitprop you say?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

... The artillery regiment was stationed at the Cossack post. Marked in red here.

He stood below the fortress - stop whistling, I was there in the seventies.

Quote: professor

The antennas belonged to the scouts and were located on the territory of the sapper battalion.

Did the chief of the district intelligence report to you or the chief of staff of the division? Enlighten everyone so that everyone understands the coolness of your knowledge.

Quote: professor

For example, on the territory of the artillery regiment there was also ... a school of cooks.
Can you find the part numbers yourself?

Nafiga - I myself lived on the territory of the fortress for a month, so I know who and where stood in Soviet times.

Quote: professor

So Shushi was filmed at a Baku film studio? Agitprop you say?

Nobody denies that they took Shushi, but the fact that their agitprop was better than the Armenian one is a fact. In general, by and large, it does not matter to me who defeated whom - you want to remind everyone once again what kind of Israeli weapons Azerbaijan had, and therefore they defeated the Armenians. Although by and large, if there was a serious war, the case would not be limited to Shusami. This is what we must proceed from.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

He stood below the fortress - stop whistling, I was there in the seventies.

Who is he"? The 992th artillery regiment (military unit 26759), the 217th cannon artillery regiment (military unit 18500), the 943rd rocket artillery regiment (military unit 16751), the 1479th reconnaissance artillery regiment (military unit 11072) were quartered in Leninakan. ...

Quote: ccsr

Did the chief of the district intelligence report to you or the chief of staff of the division? Enlighten everyone so that everyone understands the coolness of your knowledge.

Uh-huh. Defense Minister. Officers serving in these units lived in my military town, and I myself have been there many times. Looking for photos?

Quote: ccsr

Nafiga - I myself lived on the territory of the fortress for a month, so I know who and where stood in Soviet times.

I guessed that you were a prisoner of the fortress. Enlighten which parts were deployed at the Cossack Post. Do you even know this?

Quote: ccsr

Nobody denies that they took Shushi, but the fact that their agitprop was better than the Armenian one is a fact. In general, by and large, it does not matter to me who defeated whom - you want to remind everyone once again what kind of Israeli weapons Azerbaijan had, and therefore they defeated the Armenians. Although by and large, if there was a serious war, the case would not be limited to Shusami. This is what we must proceed from.

So Shushi was still taken and this is not an Azerbaijani propaganda industry. the ice has broken.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

1479th reconnaissance artillery regiment (military unit 11072).

What kind of reconnaissance artillery regiment is this - enlighten everyone, poor wretch, I have not heard something about this ...

Quote: professor

Officers serving in these units lived in my military town, and I myself have been there many times. Looking for photos?

The fact that they lived does not mean that you understood where they serve. Because Leninakan stood almost on the border itself, and there was a Turkish military airfield nearby, then, in addition to the air defense radar, there was most likely deployed a post of an air defense radio engineering brigade, which conducted reconnaissance missions of NATO and Turkey aircraft with RTR. But you are just an amateur in these matters, so you babble all sorts of nonsense here, not even understanding how it all is organized. By the way, do you even know when and why the American pilots walked around Leninakan?

Quote: professor

So Shushi was still taken and this is not an Azerbaijani propaganda industry. the ice has broken.

Of course they did, but it's too early for you to rejoice, but on the contrary, you need to think. If Azerbaijanis returned their lands in thirty years, then the Palestinians also think about it. And when they come to you with weapons, then you quickly fade, or you will ask to send you peacekeepers. If I were you, I would have already bought an apartment somewhere in Berdichev, while the prices there are not very high - you look and it will be useful to you or your children.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

What kind of reconnaissance artillery regiment is this - enlighten everyone, poor wretch, I have not heard something about this ...

You haven't heard a lot of things. Who is it himself by education?

So what artillery regiment did you see under the fortress?

Quote: ccsr

The fact that they lived does not mean that you understood where they serve. Because Leninakan stood almost on the border itself, and there was a Turkish military airfield nearby, then there, in addition to the air defense radar, probably the post of the air defense radio engineering brigade was deployed, which conducted reconnaissance by means of RTR of flights of NATO and Turkey aircraft. But you are just an amateur in these matters, so you babble all sorts of nonsense here, not even understanding how it all is organized. By the way, do you even know when and why the American pilots walked around Leninakan?

probably?
What, what "there was a Turkish military airfield nearby"? Tell us and we will laugh.

Then about how American pilots walked around Leninakan.

Quote: ccsr

Of course they did, but it's too early for you to rejoice, but on the contrary, you need to think. If Azerbaijanis returned their lands in thirty years, then the Palestinians also think about it. And when they come to you with weapons, then you quickly fade, or you will ask to send you peacekeepers. If I were you, I would have already bought an apartment somewhere in Berdichev, while the prices there are not very high - you look and it will be useful to you or your children.

Uh-huh. We have been buried for 70 years and we have outlived those who buried us. We will survive you too. At your age, I would not be so worried. Your medicine is not very good, it may not be pumped out.

You didn't answer about the Cossack Post.

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

You haven't heard a lot of things. Who is it himself by education?

So I lied - there were no such regiments, as far as I know.

Quote: professor

So what artillery regiment did you see under the fortress?

They didn’t interfere with me at all, but I remember that in one of the regiments there was like an amphibious assault rifle for training purposes, though it was a long time ago, maybe I confused something.

Quote: professor

What, what "there was a Turkish military airfield nearby"? Tell us and we will laugh.

At least Erzerum still has an airfield, so laugh further.

Quote: professor

Then about how American pilots walked around Leninakan.

Everything is clear with you - you were not in Leninakan, because everyone there knew about this incident in Soviet times.

Quote: professor

Your medicine is not very good, it may not be pumped out.

Yes, and your medicine, too, is worthless, they learned how to promote, but the treatment is no better than in Russia. At least I learned this from two respected people who had the imprudence to believe in Israeli doctors, and for one it ended badly.

Quote: professor

You didn't answer about the Cossack Post.

And I was not going to answer - I was doing other things there, so there was no time for him, and I lived in the fortress. And about the reconnaissance artillery regiment, you lied, and as always you were caught by the hand, now you don't know how to get out.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

So I lied - there were no such regiments, as far as I know.

"was not" or "as far as I know"? Is it weak to break through in a military encyclopedia?

Quote: ccsr

They didn’t interfere with me at all, but I remember that in one of the regiments there was like an amphibious assault rifle for training purposes, though it was a long time ago, maybe I confused something.

There were no paratroopers in Armenia at all. In Kirovobad the nearest. You have confused everything. Age however.

That is, there was an artillery regiment at the Cossack Post, the 41st separate engineer battalion (military unit 13516), the 19th separate electronic warfare battalion (military unit 11668), part of the air defense or not? By the way, an educational program for you, these artillery regiment, sapper battalion, electronic warfare battalion and air defense unit were not part of the division. They were directly subordinate to the 7th Army. Again you are out of topic.

Quote: ccsr

At least Erzerum still has an airfield, so laugh further.

Is 250 km nearby? Continue to amuse us. Lininakan airfield, 10 km from Turkey. It's nearby. Erebuni is 13 km from Turkey. And it's near. 250 km not close.

Quote: ccsr

Everything is clear with you - you were not in Leninakan, because everyone there knew about this incident in Soviet times.

Don't merge. Have fun with your story about how Americans walked in a closed border town.

Quote: ccsr

Yes, and your medicine, too, is worthless, they learned how to promote, but the treatment is no better than in Russia. At least I learned this from two respected people who had the imprudence to believe in Israeli doctors, and for one it ended badly.

... and therefore our life expectancy is 10 years higher than yours, and child and maternal mortality is lower than yours? Envy in silence.

Quote: ccsr

And I was not going to answer - I was doing other things there, so there was no time for him, and I lived in the fortress. And about the reconnaissance artillery regiment, you lied, and as always you were caught by the hand, now you don't know how to get out.

That is, you don’t know about the Cossack Post, and you don’t know what parts were there either, but how do you always show off?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

"was not" or "as far as I know"? Is it weak to break through in a military encyclopedia?

Lied, lied - everything is clear with you.

Quote: professor

There were no paratroopers in Armenia at all

I did not say that they were - there actually could be a regimental artillery training, or as a museum exhibit.

Quote: professor

Is 250 km nearby?

Of course nearby. But there was also a Turkish military airfield, which was closer to our border, I know about that.

Quote: professor

Don't merge. Have fun with your story about how Americans walked in a closed border town.

The city was not closed, do not lie, but they appeared because they landed at our airfield by mistake, when they missed their own. You have definitely never been to Leninakan and you are lying with hearsay.

Quote: professor

... and therefore our life expectancy is 10 years higher than yours, and child and maternal mortality is lower than yours? Envy in silence.

Yes, you are lying for the sake of PR, and do not take into account the mortality rate among all your citizens.

Quote: professor

That is, you don’t know about the Cossack Post, and you don’t know what parts were there either, but how do you always show off?

I told you that I was in the fortress, and not in this post - you seem to have become completely inadequate. So there with the reconnaissance regiment - lie something for a laugh ...

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Lied, lied - everything is clear with you.

Duc do not lie anymore. It's dangerous at your age.

Quote: ccsr

I did not say that they were - there is actually an artillery regimental training could be, or as a museum piece.

Could it be? Are you sure of anything?

Quote: ccsr

Of course nearby. But there was also a Turkish military airfield, which was closer to our border, I know about that.

I believe you. He was there. True, it is no longer on the maps, and even then it was not on the maps. Let it be our secret with you.

Quote: ccsr

The city was not closed, do not lie, but they appeared because they landed at our airfield by mistake, when they missed their own. You have definitely never been to Leninakan and you are lying with hearsay.

Of course the city was closed. All the same, 7-8 km from the Turkish border. The border guards even accompanied passenger trains to Yerevan. And about the plane you came up with great. Even Dr. Google does not know about such a case. You actually confused the Betsat airfield.

Quote: ccsr

Yes, you are lying for the sake of PR, and do not take into account the mortality rate among all your citizens.

Uh-huh. And WHO is lying and the World Bank and the CIA. Anyone who gives statistics on life expectancy is lying.

Quote: ccsr

I told you that I was in the fortress, and not in this post - you seem to have become completely inadequate. So there with the reconnaissance regiment - lie something for a laugh ...

It turns out that you are arguing without knowing the subject of the dispute?

[ccsr]

Quote: professor

Could it be? Are you sure of anything?

Leave your demagoguery, but rather tell us about the reconnaissance artillery regiment and its structure, so that we laugh.

Quote: professor

I believe you. He was there.

Here's everything that was stationed in Leninakan in 1990, and there were no regiments to which you referred:

1990
management: 1 R-145BM
107th motorized rifle regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 12 D-30, 2 R-145BM, 1 BTR-50PUM, 15 MT-LBT;
124th Motorized Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 81 BTR-70, 6 BTR-60, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 12 D-30, 2 R-145BM, 1BTR-50PUM, 15 MT-LBT;
128th Motorized Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 41 BMP-2, 64 BMP-1, 5 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 12 2S1 Gvozdika, 4 R-145BM, 2 BMP- 1KSh, 3 PU-12, 1 MTU-20;
1360th Motor Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 12 D-30, 3 1B18, 1 1B19, 3 R-145BM;
120th Tank Regiment (Leninakan): 31 T-72, 5 BMP-1, 5 BMP-2, 4 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 1 BMP-1KSH, 2 R-145BM, BREM-2, 2 MTU-20;
992th Artillery Regiment (Leninakan): 36 D-30, 12 9K51 "Grad";
988th anti-aircraft artillery regiment (Leninakan);
357th Separate Missile Division;
772nd separate reconnaissance battalion (Leninakan city): 1 R-145BM;
628th separate communications battalion (Leninakan city): 12 R-145BM, 1 BTR-50PU;
550th separate engineer-engineer battalion (Leninakan city): 1 UR-67;
626th separate chemical defense battalion;
174th separate repair and restoration battalion (Leninakan city);
1552th separate battalion of material support.
In total, on November 19, 1991, the 127th Mechanized Infantry Division had: 61 T-72 tanks, 130 BMPs (71 BMP-1, 46 BMP-2, 13 BRM-1K), 91 armored personnel carriers (85 BTR-70, 6 BTR-60) , 12 ACS 2S1 "Carnation", 72 guns D-30, 12 MLRS 9K51 "Grad". At the beginning of 1991, the 127th Mechanized Infantry Division had a reduced tank fleet. Of the four SMEs, one was on an infantry fighting vehicle, one (reduced strength) on an armored personnel carrier, one armored vehicle for motorized riflemen did not have, and the fourth had only control and an artillery battalion

https://wiki2.org/ru/261-я_стрелковая_дивизия

Quote: professor

I believe you. He was there. True, it is no longer on the maps, and even then it was not on the maps. Let it be our secret with you.

How cleverly you changed your shoes in the air - you can feel the Israeli experience of twisting when you are caught by the hand in a lie ...

Quote: professor

Of course the city was closed. All the same, 7-8 km from the Turkish border. The border guards even accompanied passenger trains to Yerevan. And about the plane you came up with great. Even Dr. Google does not know about such a case. You actually confused the Betsat airfield.

You are just a liar and a dreamer who knows nothing except Google, but pretends to be a "specialist". Enlighten, Israeli verbiage:

October 21, 1970 - US Air Force U-8 Seminole twin-engine light aircraft lost its way, violated Soviet airspace and landed at the airfield of a flying military unit near the city of Leninakan, Armenian SSR (now Gyumri, Armenia). In addition to the pilot, there were two American generals and a Turkish colonel on board.
Realizing his mistake, the plane tried to take off again, but the commander of the military unit, Major Alexander Sergeevich Nikitin with the driver, managed to drive up with a gas truck under the propellers of the intruder plane, forced to turn off the engine, drove the generals and subordinates into the gas truck and took them to headquarters. After a long enough investigation, the pilots and passengers were released.

Then they lived for several days in Leninakan until they were returned to Turkey. So you have never been to Leninakan, I already understood that.

Quote: professor

Uh-huh. And WHO is lying and the World Bank and the CIA. Anyone who gives statistics on life expectancy is lying.

An old Jewish family lived in my yard, and my wife died before she was 80 years old. Grandchildren dragged grandfather to Israel, where he received great benefits as a real war veteran, who had wounds and Soviet awards, but he lived there for several years and died. So there is no role for Israeli health care in this, but Israel's statistics attributed to itself another long-liver. We know your tricks with statistics, as well as taking into account the deaths of persons of dual citizenship.

Quote: professor

It turns out that you are arguing without knowing the subject of the dispute?

Give me a link, otherwise it is possible that on your Israeli website some clever guy posted dubious information.

[Professor]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: professor

Could it be? Are you sure of anything?

Leave your demagoguery, but rather tell us about the reconnaissance artillery regiment and its structure, so that we laugh.

Quote: professor

I believe you. He was there.

Here's everything that was stationed in Leninakan in 1990, and there were no regiments to which you referred:

1990
management: 1 R-145BM
107th motorized rifle regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 12 D-30, 2 R-145BM, 1 BTR-50PUM, 15 MT-LBT;
124th Motorized Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 81 BTR-70, 6 BTR-60, 1 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 12 D-30, 2 R-145BM, 1BTR-50PUM, 15 MT-LBT;
128th Motorized Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 10 T-72, 41 BMP-2, 64 BMP-1, 5 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 12 2S1 Gvozdika, 4 R-145BM, 2 BMP- 1KSh, 3 PU-12, 1 MTU-20;
1360th Motor Rifle Regiment (Leninakan): 12 D-30, 3 1B18, 1 1B19, 3 R-145BM;
120th Tank Regiment (Leninakan): 31 T-72, 5 BMP-1, 5 BMP-2, 4 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 1 BMP-1KSH, 2 R-145BM, BREM-2, 2 MTU-20;
992th Artillery Regiment (Leninakan): 36 D-30, 12 9K51 "Grad";
988th anti-aircraft artillery regiment (Leninakan);
357th Separate Missile Division;
772nd separate reconnaissance battalion (Leninakan city): 1 R-145BM;
628th separate communications battalion (Leninakan city): 12 R-145BM, 1 BTR-50PU;
550th separate engineer-engineer battalion (Leninakan city): 1 UR-67;
626th separate chemical defense battalion;
174th separate repair and restoration battalion (Leninakan city);
1552th separate battalion of material support.
In total, on November 19, 1991, the 127th Mechanized Infantry Division had: 61 T-72 tanks, 130 BMPs (71 BMP-1, 46 BMP-2, 13 BRM-1K), 91 armored personnel carriers (85 BTR-70, 6 BTR-60) , 12 ACS 2S1 "Carnation", 72 guns D-30, 12 MLRS 9K51 "Grad". At the beginning of 1991, the 127th Mechanized Infantry Division had a reduced tank fleet. Of the four SMEs, one was on an infantry fighting vehicle, one (reduced strength) on an armored personnel carrier, one armored vehicle for motorized riflemen did not have, and the fourth had only control and an artillery battalion

https://wiki2.org/ru/261-я_стрелковая_дивизия

Quote: professor

I believe you. He was there. True, it is no longer on the maps, and even then it was not on the maps. Let it be our secret with you.

How cleverly you changed your shoes in the air - you can feel the Israeli experience of twisting when you are caught by the hand in a lie ...

Quote: professor

Of course the city was closed. All the same, 7-8 km from the Turkish border. The border guards even accompanied passenger trains to Yerevan. And about the plane you came up with great. Even Dr. Google does not know about such a case. You actually confused the Betsat airfield.

You are just a liar and a dreamer who knows nothing except Google, but pretends to be a "specialist". Enlighten, Israeli verbiage:

October 21, 1970 - US Air Force U-8 Seminole twin-engine light aircraft lost its way, violated Soviet airspace and landed at the airfield of a flying military unit near the city of Leninakan, Armenian SSR (now Gyumri, Armenia). In addition to the pilot, there were two American generals and a Turkish colonel on board.
Realizing his mistake, the plane tried to take off again, but the commander of the military unit, Major Alexander Sergeevich Nikitin with the driver, managed to drive up with a gas truck under the propellers of the intruder plane, forced to turn off the engine, drove the generals and subordinates into the gas truck and took them to headquarters. After a long enough investigation, the pilots and passengers were released.

Then they lived for several days in Leninakan until they were returned to Turkey. So you have never been to Leninakan, I already understood that.

Quote: professor

Uh-huh. And WHO is lying and the World Bank and the CIA. Anyone who gives statistics on life expectancy is lying.

An old Jewish family lived in my yard, and my wife died before she was 80 years old. Grandchildren dragged grandfather to Israel, where he received great benefits as a real war veteran, who had wounds and Soviet awards, but he lived there for several years and died. So there is no role for Israeli health care in this, but Israel's statistics attributed to itself another long-liver. We know your tricks with statistics, as well as taking into account the deaths of persons of dual citizenship.

Quote: professor

It turns out that you are arguing without knowing the subject of the dispute?

Give me a link, otherwise it is possible that on your Israeli website some clever guy posted dubious information.

I tried, wrote, but my comment was deleted. I got the hint. Tied it up.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

Missed this event. Link please? Was this performance of some kind where he laughed?

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

Missed this event. Link please?

Look for Aliyev's speech on the Vesti channel when he was happy about his victory - this was recently shown.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

I looked. What can I say, the level of diplomacy is "God".

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

I looked. What can I say, the level of diplomacy is "God".

I felt ashamed of our MGIMO - they never taught this figure to be able to restrain emotions and behave decently in front of cameras.

[Alexander Vorontsov]

Quote: ccsr

You will still weep with joy when our shabby cars are brought into Israel to protect former Soviet citizens from their massacre by Arab extremists ...

Funny formulated)))

But in fact, there is a rational component to the professor's post regarding technology.
Modern weapons are far superior to those of the 80s. That's why they are modern. And logically, they are needed first of all where there is a threat of direct fire contact, and not in the rear.

And the question arises, if we have a technique that better protects people's lives, why did the guys go to the old place where they can actually shoot at them?

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: professor

I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears. From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples.

Professor ..... after all, once "a very long time" was respected on this site and even by me personally .....
While I rolled into terry lies ...
After all, it is well known that the 82 BTR, on which the peacekeepers actually arrived, began to be produced only in 2013, and therefore cannot be from Soviet times. Moreover, BTR 82 are being produced at the moment and they are replacing older models, this is the main BTR MO. No one even set a goal to replace all armored personnel carriers with Kurgan and Boomerangs. Russia is not Israel, the number of equipment is not comparable, it is simply not possible.

[Professor]

In your opinion, the BTR-82 is not a tuning of the BTR-80? The fact that it has a Kevlar spoliner and a new radio station does not make it the latest development. It turns out the M-113 with an uprated engine, an anti-splinter inner coating, a new radio station, new seats, a new machine gun and a sight no longer sucks in the 1960s, but a modern machine of the 21st century. So we will write it down.

Okay, not all armored personnel carriers wanted to be replaced (although in the United States I don’t remember the BTR-80 of the same age), but why this dinosaur has repeatedly proved its destructiveness for the crew “this is the main MO BTR”? Don't you learn anything at all? Ride the armor again? Where is the V-shaped bottom, where the armor is capable of not only withstanding RPGs, but at least protecting against DShK? Where are the suspension seats to protect the crew from the mine blast?
The question is, Where are the ceremonial Boomerangs, Kurgan residents and Typhoons?

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: professor

In your opinion, the BTR-82 is not a tuning of the BTR-80? The fact that a Kevlar spoliner and a new radio station have been installed on it does not make it the latest development.

Professor, don't be an idiot. You said that the armored personnel carrier "ancient Soviet samples", I proved to you that you are a liar, the oldest 2013 release

Okay, not all armored personnel carriers wanted to be replaced (although in the United States I don't remember the BTR-80 of the same age),

And what does the USA have to do with it, you are an Israeli)))
And what do you actually own ?? Never mind!! Either imported or assembled!
Even all your famous drones, how much Israeli is there? 20%?
Give up your master and benefactor, stop sharing your technologies with you, stop giving and selling your new toys, impose as many sanctions as imposed on Russia ... In a year or two, you will all be strangled with bare hands, and the state of Israel will disappear ... Therefore, you only have to nod at the USA ...

[Professor]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Professor, don't be an idiot. You said that the armored personnel carrier "ancient Soviet samples", I proved to you that you are a liar, the oldest 2013 release

You have not proved anything to anyone. BTR-80 and its tuning in the form of BTR-82 is an ancient Soviet technique. Another would be the BTR-60 from the warehouses.

Quote: Ramzaj99

And what does the USA have to do with it, you are an Israeli)))

And what does Israel have to do with it, are we talking about Russian technology? What have you dragged into: "No one even set a goal to replace all armored personnel carriers with Kurgantsy and Boomerangs. Russia is not Israel , the number of equipment is not comparable, it is simply not possible. "? Come on, match the "number" (not the number ) technology from the USA.

Quote: Ramzaj99

And what do you actually own ?? Never mind!! Either imported or assembled!
Even all your famous drones, how much Israeli is there? 20%?

So are we talking about Israel or about Russian armored personnel carriers in Karabakh?
By the way, there are drones where 100% of theirs are from the thermal imager and electronics to the paint on the propeller. What does it change?

Quote: Ramzaj99

Give up your master and benefactor, stop sharing your technologies with you, stop giving and selling your new toys, impose as many sanctions as imposed on Russia ... In a year or two, you will all be strangled with bare hands, and the state of Israel will disappear ... Therefore, you only have to nod at the USA ...

Not ... we're clearly not talking about your newest armored personnel carriers.
1. We have no masters since the time of the pharaohs, but you see all the masters. You will free yourself at last.
2. Nobody shares technologies with us. Nobody wants to develop competitors. Therefore, we have our own missiles, our own machine gun, our own tank, our own corvette and almost our own plane.
3. New toys have been given and sold to us since 1969. Before that, there was an embargo. The result is known.
4. Sanctions against Russia? I have not heard of such. Have the bourgeoisie stopped selling you their machines, computers, and buying your oil? No? They began to lend less often. Yeah. Super sanctions. You will not say anything.


Let's get back to the topic. Why are your regular parts moving around on such a sludge? Where are the ceremonial Boomerangs, Kurgan residents and Typhoons? I'm serious.

[_Ugene_]

Nobody shares technologies with us. Nobody wants to develop competitors. Therefore, we have our own missiles, our own machine gun, our own tank, our own corvette and almost our own plane.

Well, yes, that's why you can sell for export, without the approval of the US deal, in fact, one shooter or junk, and everything that is really modern only with permission, is it probably because everything is yours there?
And with the Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons, your "non-owners" screwed up, that is, the sanctions in action

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

Well, yes, that's why you can sell for export, without the approval of the US deal, in fact, one shooter or junk, and everything that is really modern only with permission, is it probably because everything is yours there?

Did the Americans tell you this in secret? We sell American technology to third parties only with the consent of the United States. These are the end use agreements all over the world. We can sell the rest to whoever we want without offending the main and strategic partner.

Quote: _Ugene_

And with the Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons, your "non-owners" screwed up, that is, the sanctions in action

Didn't they give you money on credit? You don't have enough money of your own? They have not stopped selling machines and equipment to you.

[_Ugene_]

The specificity of American-Israeli military-technical ties is such that Israel, bound by long-term obligations of defense cooperation with the United States, cannot be considered an independent player in the modern arms market. Most of the steps he needs to coordinate with Washington.
US control of Israeli military exports means banning supplies to "third" countries without US approval if they involve US technology or affect US national security interests. Thus, under pressure from Washington, Tel Aviv agreed to limit the export of weapons and military equipment to countries such as China, India, Russia, Pakistan.

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

The specificity of American-Israeli military-technical ties is such that Israel, bound by long-term obligations of defense cooperation with the United States, cannot be considered an independent player in the modern arms market. Most of the steps he needs to coordinate with Washington.
US control of Israeli military exports means banning supplies to "third" countries without US approval if they involve US technology or affect US national security interests. So, under pressure from Washington, Tel Aviv agreed to restrict the export of weapons and military equipment to countries such as China, India, Russia, Pakistan.

Are you Ruslan Pukhov? Why do you publish his statements on your own behalf? It is not beautiful, and they are not true. Especially interesting when was Ramat Gan trading with Pakistan?
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3344506

[_Ugene_]

Yes, you yourself know all this perfectly well, why you argue is incomprehensible, only you earn a reputation for windbag

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

Yes, you yourself know all this perfectly well, why you argue is incomprehensible, only you earn a reputation for windbag

Don't merge. Just call you typing the nonsense of others. This is when Israel tried to export weapons and military equipment to Pakistan?

[_Ugene_]

therefore, your objections are only about Pakistan, but about China, India and Russia there is nothing to object?

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

therefore, your objections are only about Pakistan, but about China, India and Russia there is nothing to object?

Objections to Ruslan Pukhov. You stole the text from him?
He is not right. Israel itself tries not to sell weapons to Russia and China, as these countries sell weapons to our enemies. With India, there are no restrictions. We have nothing to do with Pakistan

[_Ugene_]

what a hypocrite you are, because you yourself know very well that you are completely dependent on the United States in this matter, and under pressure from the United States, deals with China were canceled and then penalties were paid to China, it’s not a secret for anyone, there’s only one saying to the place “at least ask him in the eyes - all the dew of God ", here you will become an anti-Semite involuntarily with the help of such Jews, do not bother with the answers, I am not going to read them anymore

[Professor]

Quote: _Ugene_

what a hypocrite you are, because you yourself know very well that you are completely dependent on the United States in this matter, and under pressure from the United States, deals with China were canceled and then penalties were paid to China, it’s not a secret for anyone, there’s only one saying to the place “at least ask him in the eyes - all the dew of God ", here you will become an anti-Semite involuntarily with the help of such Jews, do not bother with the answers, I am not going to read them anymore

You cite facts, not reprints (and not correct ones) and not clichés. Read at least about Israeli air-to-air missiles in China, Israeli Lavi fighter, Israeli drones in Russia. They lacked American components and critical technologies.

Pakistan, huh? Windbag?

[aszzz888]

_Ugene_ (_Ugene_)
Yesterday, 20: 10

+2
Nobody shares technologies with us. Nobody wants to develop competitors. Therefore, we have our own missiles, our own machine gun, our own tank, our own corvette and almost our own plane.
well yes, that's why selling for export, without US deal approval, you can actually one shooter or old, and everything that is really modern only with permission, it's probably because it's all yours?

Yes, he knows everything perfectly! banished in its Jewish manner!

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Yesterday, 19: 58
Let's get back to the topic. Why on such a sludge do your regular parts move? Where are the ceremonial Boomerangs, Kurgan residents and Typhoons? I'm serious.

You ask questions in your Israel. And there and without your snot ... fake stuffing will cost.

[aszzz888]

Ramzaj99 (Novel)
Yesterday, 17: 14

+3
Quote: professor
In your opinion, the BTR-82 is not a tuning of the BTR-80? The fact that a Kevlar spoliner and a new radio station have been installed on it does not make it the latest development.

Professor, don't be an idiot. You said that the armored personnel carrier "ancient Soviet samples", I proved to you that you are a liar, the oldest 2013 release

He looks much worse for a long time. Trying and pushing to pour on the fan in relation to the Russian Federation, he lies like a gray gelding. His brake has long been broken. Yes, and the training manuals need to be worked out, because as they refuse to eat, they will go around the world.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Yesterday, 16: 56
... Let's write it down.

Write it down, it will immediately feel better. Do not forget!

The question is, Where are the ceremonial Boomerangs, Kurgan residents and Typhoons?

And who are you? To keep reports in front of you ?! Yes, it's not your wonder what and where to supply! You swagger at your place and ask around yours and demand, my young friend!

[Old tanker]

The main thing is that the "professor" deliberately did not indicate in the BTR-82. This is the presence of a 30-mm automatic cannon stabilized in two planes. The same caliber as on Kurganets. The armor protection of these vehicles is comparable. Yes, the BTR-82 is less sophisticated, but cheap and cheerful. That is what the peacekeepers need. They are not going to attack strong points. In principle, the BTR-80 is enough for peacekeepers.

[Professor]

Quote: Old Tanker

The main thing is that the "professor" deliberately did not indicate in the BTR-82. This is the presence of a 30-mm automatic cannon stabilized in two planes. The same caliber as on Kurganets. The armor protection of these vehicles is comparable. Yes, the BTR-82 is less sophisticated, but cheap and cheerful. That is what the peacekeepers need. They are not going to attack strong points. In principle, the BTR-80 is enough for peacekeepers.

Again. Is the M-113 with Bushmaster becoming a modern weapon? Yes or no?
Armor protection comparable to Kurganets amused. The armored personnel carrier makes its way through the DShK with a bang, it does not hold mines at all, so the soldiers on the armor are moving.
And so yes, but cheap and cheerful. And really why do peacekeepers need protection? Why would they need a 30mm cannon? After all, according to your "They do not go to attack strong points." And why do they not ask tanks at all.

[Professor]

Quote: Old Tanker

The main thing is that the "professor" deliberately did not indicate in the BTR-82. This is the presence of a 30-mm automatic cannon stabilized in two planes. The same caliber as on Kurganets. The armor protection of these vehicles is comparable. Yes, the BTR-82 is less sophisticated, but cheap and cheerful. That is what the peacekeepers need. They are not going to attack strong points. In principle, the BTR-80 is enough for peacekeepers.

By the way, is this also a modern vehicle?

[aszzz888]

Ramzaj99 (Novel)
Yesterday, 15: 26

+6
Quote: professor
I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears. From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples.

Professor ..... after all, once "a very long time" was respected on this site and even by me personally .....
While he rolled into terry lies .....

For a long time and obliviously vilified everything Russian! He also doesn't give a damn about lies and any apparent decency.

[polar fox]

Quote: professor

From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples.

Professor, don't trample the corn ... saw the column as they moved forward ... not very spectacular ...

[RUSS]

Quote: professor

From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples. Where are Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons?

There seems to be some kind of new electronic warfare brought to Karabakh.))), But Kurgan and Boomerangs do not produce and probably will not, Typhoons are limitedly supplied to the troops, in Syria there are definitely.

[carstorm 11]

Typhoons are a whole family. and do not at all limited. Moreover, for the second year already, the army abandoned Kamaz and the Urals and takes only typhoons. both factories in cooperation with more than a hundred companies make them. besides the typhoon, another tornado

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Yesterday, 14:43 ... I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears. From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples.

Look at your Jewish trash !!! and cry yourself there !!! Jewish propaganda in action - pouring more shit .. dirt on the RF Ministry of Defense in particular And the RF Armed Forces in general. Look, Biden will pay for the grub, and the campaign will be cut radically.

[Grits]

Quote: professor

Where are Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons?

Now we are crying too

[rumpeljschtizhen]

In my opinion, it was already 4 years ago that they were talking here and everyone was happy that soon there would be mrap and so on ... the reality is still ... that they are not and will not be in the near future ... the declaration is all and not actions ... the army is being re-equipped in terms of armored vehicles, don't get it

[Archivist Vasya]

Newest AK-12 assault rifles spotted by Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh
I looked at what equipment Russian troops entered Azerbaijan and shed tears. From the "newest" only paint on ancient Soviet samples. Where are Kurgan, Boomerangs and Typhoons?

So there was no talk about the technique, only about the machines. It's like with a new saber, but on an old horse)) Well, those very new platforms are just for the parade for now, but in Karabakh they can still be pounded, how can they prancing on Red Square later ?!

[Old tanker]

Here, in the news on the VO, there was news about the arrival in Karabakh as part of the peacekeepers of the latest electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems to control the zone of the peacekeeping operation and cover it.

[Imobile]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The newest assault rifle is good, but some electronic warfare systems are more powerful, and there are a couple of dozen TOPs ... For greater peace of mind. This is if Azerbaijan cannot reason with the Turks.

What do they do there? Their first anti-radar missile will be destroyed if turned on.

[Simon schempp]

I am very glad that the developments are going to the army.

Well, about the army is too loud. Rather, they go to exemplary and ceremonial units. The depths will not see such equipment soon.

[English tarantas]

You just need to find out, is it really AK-12, or what was officially adopted for service, but in fact is cosmetics on the AK-74?

[Alexander Vorontsov]

They took it off the tongue. I subscribe to everything said.

[Alien From]

The main thing is that they don't shoot !!

[Igoresha]

the helmet is strange - it sits up on the head, the walkie-talkie in the pocket is good and the legs are show-off

[alesi13]

There is a hat under the helmet, do you think a helmet with fur?

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Alesi13

There is a hat under the helmet, do you think a helmet with fur?

On aramid
It is necessary to adjust the volume and depth of the suspension under the liner, and the helmet will not stick out as much as the skullcap on the top of the Uzbek.

[alesi13]

Yes, for God's sake, regulate, I got to do with

[sergo1914]

Quote: Alesi13

There is a hat under the helmet, do you think a helmet with fur?

Have you already received a patent? The topic is promising.
PS Not sarcasm.

[alesi13]

Patent for what? It was just that the army had earflaps under the helmet, there were no comforters, and this particular soldier had xs

[sergo1914]

Quote: Alesi13

Patent for what?

Helmet with fur.

[English tarantas]

I think there is no point in wearing a helmet like that, it dangles very uncomfortably, and the area of ​​the head that it covers makes it useless.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Igoresha

the helmet is strange - it sits up on the head, the walkie-talkie in the pocket is good and the legs are show-off

Helmet raised - ears open. On patrol, hearing is sometimes more important than sight ... and a knife in a breast pocket is convenient. You can get both right and left faster than on the belt.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Helmet raised - ears open.

I don’t know how in this helmet, but in the “old” 6B-7 there were no problems with “closed ears”.
Even planted to the full depth of adjustment, it did not limit the perception of ambient sounds. There the gap from the ears to the helmet, in the "niches" for the headphones are quite large ...

[English tarantas]

So let them take them off, since the ears are needed, but as soon as they shy away, we quickly pull back. Apparently the personnel just do not care.

[Note]

You probably never wore a helmet :) here are honestly awfully uncomfortable items. That the Soviet us sample 1943, that the new 6b 47 seems to be. But when he begins to pour around the ground with stones and bricks or concrete, broken, and everything around him whistles and howls. So deeply you pull this military item of clothing on both earflaps and fleece. And I'm glad he is. As for the convenience of our helmets, the under-body system is very ill-conceived and does not improve at all, alas. Until I bought a good comfortable helmet with my hard-earned money in "arm ..... e", with a large area of ​​protection, and built-in "ears" with the ability to communicate and noise cancellation, so I went. He only put it on when he really pressed it. A "knife" is a new type of bayonet knife. And what to do with it, everyone decides for himself. I don’t know about the military, they are generally limited in their ability to interpret the shape and place only standard samples. For example, I did not take a standard bayonet at all, but I made myself a rather interesting blade, with the ability to mount on the machine. Worn on the hip. Quite convenient and actually nowhere else because of the size.

[voyaka uh]

"the helmet is strange - it sits up on the head" ///
----
It may not fit properly with the knitted hat underneath.
In order not to press on the sides of the skull, the soldiers put it higher.

[Old tanker]

The knife is not a show-off. This is a regular bayonet-knife for the AK-12 6x9.

[Sayan]

Quote: Igoresha

the helmet is strange - it sits up on the head, the walkie-talkie in the pocket is good and the legs are show-off

Zhi, shi is written with "and"))) literacy

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Igoresha

the walkie-talkie in your pocket is good and the legs are show-off

Knife and bayonet knife.

[Azis]

Quote: Igoresha

the helmet is strange - sits high on the head

That they are attached, the shape of the skull is that of a person ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

And with what the peacekeepers had to go there? With "three lines" ?! And on armored cars "Austin-Putilovets" ?!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

three-line "?!

With PPSh or PPS ...

[BDRM 667]

Quote from Uncle Lee

With PPSh or PPS ...

The PPSh is heavy, but the PPS, as a police weapon, would not have hit the dirt in front of the descendants.

An interesting fact about PPS-43. In Finland, during the war, at the Tikkakoski plant under the brand m / 44, a copy of the PPS-9 modified for the 43-mm Luger / Parabellum cartridge was produced, using shops from Suomi.
This option was used in 1957-1958 by the Finnish peacekeepers in the Sinai Peninsula. 10 of these submachine guns were produced.

Also after the war, the PPS (more precisely, the Finnish m / 44 version) was produced under license in small batches in West Germany and Spain under the designation DUX 53 and was used by the FRG border guards (Bundesgrenzschutz).

[Runway]

Serious news ... the commercial version of the "paddle" flashed outside the Russian Federation.

[SaLaR]

I raise an unintelligible toast
For what has been, for everything that will be,
For the boys and for the checkpoint!

[Lesorub]

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has distributed another video from the territories that came under Azerbaijani control.

I would like to see a video on AK 12, not a video from an Azerbaijani drone.

[Carp]

Quote: Lesorub

I would like to see a video on AK 12, not a video from an Azerbaijani drone.

Everything will be as long as the braggers need to be landed, everything is very serious there ..
Especially Yerevan is buzzing. And they have serious weapons .. I hope ours will block it all until Pashinyan is caught ..

[Mouse]

which is staffed

What are your other questions? ....

[maktub]

Specialists, who "used" the AK-12, explain how it fundamentally differs from the classic AK-XNUMX apart from "tuning"?

[Redfox3k]

Differs in all: tougher, lighter, more ergonomic, higher accuracy. In fact, a new machine gun chambered for the old 5.45x39 cartridge

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Redfox3k

tougher, lighter, more ergonomic, higher accuracy. In fact, a new machine gun chambered for the old 5.45x39 cartridge

Harder? I wonder why on earth and what is "tougher". Is the barrel stiffer? Or a receiver? And at the expense of what constructive solutions, it would be interesting to know? The receiver of the AK-12 is structurally not much different from the SK AK-74M. This means that its rigidity, like the rigidity of the barrel, with a practically unchanged structure, can be increased only by increasing the thickness of the sheet from which it is stamped. And where does the smaller mass come from, may I ask?
Easier? Yes, by 0.1 kg according to the official performance characteristics. But why is it "tougher" in this regard?
The AK-12 is no better than the AK-74 in all its variations in the accuracy of single-shot firing. The submachine guns were always selected for accuracy. And a hundred selected AK-74s will, on average, be more heaped than a hundred randomly taken AK-12s. Accordingly, the same is the case in the opposite case - a hundred selected AK-12s are heaped more than a hundred arbitrary AK-74s.
When firing bursts, the average accuracy of the AK-74 and AK-12 according to the parameters of Sv and Sb show equivalent.
The last "stronghold" on the list is ergonomics. Here we can only say that the concept of "ergonomics" includes not only the convenience of grip on the handles, although the AK-12 really did "74" on the handles. And the scanty telescopic butt, too, seems to be in his favor. And the "shelf" under the index finger on the fuse box is just a squeak of fashion! Only now I highly recommend firing several shots from the GP-25/30/34 with the flag lowered to the "AB" or "OD" position. And when the "shelf" spreads your fingers on the hand holding the pistol grip, then you can talk about ergonomics more substantively. This is, of course, immediately after we find the oiler, which flew out after such a firing from an ergonomic pistol grip.
The guys in the picture had no choice - what came came. To make the choice conscious, you need to walk tightly with the weapon you choose for more than one week. To twist it in playful hands at the KK stand during the next forum "Army-20 ..." and shoot a store or two in a shooting range is not a reason for delight.

[Note]

Nice to hear a person versed in the subject. As for the weight of ak12, I will say it again, it weighs just tens of grams more, but more. Although they say like a mantra that everything has been redesigned in it, and a bunch of new parts that improve its characteristics, this has increased the weight. That said, of course, some improvements are really useful. For example, moving the rear sight back. And also probably the possibility of folding the stock in both directions. Although not necessary.

[Note]

Harder, not ergonomic, cling to clothes with all the "bells and whistles", accuracy or accuracy :) the same. This is how it was ak74m and remained

[Note]

I forgot. Of course it looks much cooler

[loki565]

As the experiment showed, it can withstand 680 shots in a row, which is 100 more than that of the Ak74m and does not wedge the gas piston.

[Doliva63]

Quote: loki565

As the experiment showed, it can withstand 680 shots in a row, which is 100 more than that of the Ak74m and does not wedge the gas piston.

20 stores in a row? What for?

[loki565]

20 stores in a row? What for?

This is an ordinary test for the endurance of a machine gun, the standard of the requirements of the Ministry of Defense is somewhere in the region of 200 shots
well, a few more tests)))

[Alexander Vorontsov]

20 stores in a row? What for?

Why what? Do the tests themselves or upload the video to the network?
The tests themselves - it seems to me, for obvious reasons, to make sure that the performance limits are within the stated conditions (shooting the H-th quantity of ammunition at different humidity and temperature, etc.)
If the question is why to shoot and upload - the usual media. Weapons are a whole industry, and in addition to military models, there is a civilian market. In the USA, this topic is more developed and there are thematic channels, for example, Destructive Ranch, where a man conducts various weapons experiments. The same thing, why do people shoot videos on a motorcycle or car? Media content, marketing, advertising and entertainment.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

20 stores in a row? What for?

Why what? Do the tests themselves or upload the video to the network?
The tests themselves - it seems to me, for obvious reasons, to make sure that the performance limits are within the stated conditions (shooting the H-th quantity of ammunition at different humidity and temperature, etc.)
If the question is why to shoot and upload - the usual media. Weapons are a whole industry, and in addition to military models, there is a civilian market. In the USA, this topic is more developed and there are thematic channels, for example, Destructive Ranch, where a man conducts various weapons experiments. The same thing, why do people shoot videos on a motorcycle or car? Media content, marketing, advertising and entertainment.

No. I kind of know about weapons testing. I was hooked on the word "experiment". That is, someone privately decided to shoot 20 stores in a row. So I wondered - why the heck? The machine has been tested, put into service, why else experiment with it? Some kind of stupidity. Moreover, one cannot shoot so many in a row in life, except as a factory tester.

[Sayan]

Quote: maktub

Specialists, who "used" the AK-12, explain how it fundamentally differs from the classic AK-XNUMX apart from "tuning"?

They use a woman, and they shoot from a machine gun

[maktub]

If you haven't noticed the word "yuzayut" in quotation marks, I'm mastering youth slang
And if you "use" a woman, then I'm sorry for you.
From the machine gun usually "fire"

[Kapral Alphych]

Damn, I didn't really remember, but today I saw an article on Zen like, we came with akma of the 70s, instead of new samples, like a shame and all that, the face of the nation, all the cases. But here it turns out that everything is not so bad.))

[iouris]

The glass is half ... full.

[loki565]

Zen? yes there is a lot of things they write))) If you read articles about car maintenance there, then it's easier to hand over to junk right away)))

[Kapral Alphych]

And if you build a house, then in general it is better in a loop right away)

[Thrifty]

So it would be the entire army, and not only the "rifleman" to rearm, as soon as possible. ...

[maktub]

That's right, by reducing all social programs

[VORON538]

Don’t worry about Russia, Ukrainian. Social programs and the MO budget are different items of expenditure.
Worry about your nenka, who is preparing for a war with us and is gaining credits
What kind of social program will you get after that? ”The funeral at the expense of the Ministry of Defense, if only!

[maktub]

With such "non-brothers" you should always be on your guard and the "club" should be appropriate
I have already said several times, I don’t worry about Russia, only about its individual citizens.
I don’t worry much about social services, pensions are periodically indexed, the minimum wage is growing, there is enough for bread and lard

[Redfox3k]

As soon as possible? What for? Money has nowhere to go?

[Old Horseradish]

On November 13, the Turkish parliament began drafting a resolution giving Ankara a legal basis to send units of the Turkish armed forces to Nagorno-Karabakh as part of a memorandum on the creation of a joint Russian-Turkish center to control the ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is also preparing to sign this resolution, which will set out information about the location of the Turkish army in Nagorno-Karabakh and how it will act. It was reported by the Turkish news agency Sabah.
Well, that's all, wait for the Sultan to visit. Only he will come with the janissaries.

[maktub]

Interestingly, the majority here "foamed" - "not to be an adversary in the Caucasus."
Let's see the further development of events

[Old Horseradish]

And then the Janissaries will go on an excursion to the Crimea, Ukraine, Donetsk, Lugansk. And also the great Turan forgot.

[maktub]

We have a "strategic partnership with them, so it's not scary
But seriously, there will not be enough resources. I think that Ankara will still be in the South Caucasus and the Turkey-Azerbaijan corridor.

[kot423]

Quote: maktub

most of them are "foaming"

So in 404, the entire top "foams" that independence at level 146

Quote: maktub

Let's see the further development of events

And the whole world "pad steel" lies with your independence.
Conclusion: it's better to "see" for a start, do it.

[maktub]

Sometimes it's better to remain silent ... (folk proverb)
Instead of writing nonsense, we would read not only the Russian press and listen not only to the statements of Russian officials, but also to opponents.
It is useful

[Bessik]

How many Russia did not fight with Turkey stock and drove these janissaries

[Vsevolod136]

I was more pleased that new electronic warfare equipment was noticed.

[syndicalist]

Now, if a new Russian attack drone were noticed there, one could rejoice more than these bows and arrows

[Alexander Kopychev]

VVP and Moscow Region have priority for Yarsa and Poseidons, but for the Syrian "war" they can get overstocked in Tel Aviv too, I won't be surprised.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

eagle 10 can also perform shock functions, although it is more profitable to aim a 152mm "Krasnopol" with it, it will be more serious than a racket

[garri-lin]

If the distance of 152 mm to the target is enough. You need to have both. Both the shock and gunner of Krasnopolye.

[Alexander Kopychev]

And what a howl! They came almost with an AK-47, but in boots with footcloths. It's a shame just for the "Polite People"!

[gorenina91]

Newest AK-12 assault rifles spotted by Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh

- Yes, it would be better if they had the latest UAVs; and assault rifles and AK-74s will do just fine ...

[Star Troopers]

The stump is clear that the population is leaving. Heads will be cut off and ears. There are also some radicals, fanatics, barbarians.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

And what is the problem? I should have sent it with the PPSh, or what?

[alex aircraft]

The newest Ak 12 !!! ah-ah !! it's about weapons and the ability to use them! And what's wrong with the good old AKM / AKMS? and PBS, you can wear a grenade launcher, and if modification H is a night light or optics. And all these picattinis only collect dirt.

[Alexfly]

drones go down the AK-12 very easily, right at a time.

[johnatan.kowalski]

It's strange, but the special forces of the FSB have ar15 rifles, apparently the new items have not yet reached the FSB or have already been tested)

[Incvizitor]

In general, in the photo, they were basically all with akm, and they all need the best weapons, they are all very strong now, being there, they are substituting friends there, there are no friends around, Armenians and pro-Turkish Azerbaijanis.

[tarakan]

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

eagle 10 can also perform shock functions, although it is more profitable to aim a 152mm "Krasnopol" with it, it will be more serious than a racket

At least one common sense

[WapentakeLokki]

... the photo clearly shows that the helmets .. well, they are obviously SUMMER ... and they obviously don’t climb on a knitted balaclava hat ... hardly protecting the top of the head ... and the question arises, why then is this decoration of the Russian Peacemaker needed ?? ?

[Adimius38]

If we compare the army of the 2000 model and now there is a big difference, at that time they wore anything at all, like ragamuffins. The camouflage was mismatched, and even then not everywhere, who had kirzachs, who had ankle boots. Junk techniques ala 60's were also full of combat units. Now you are looking - good uniforms, a lot of modernized equipment, the soldiers have a neat appearance with new small arms.

[bars1]

Quote: Alexander Seklitsky

eagle 10 can also perform shock functions, although it is more profitable to aim a 152mm "Krasnopol" with it, it will be more serious than a racket

Orlan-10 can correct artillery fire, "the old fashioned way" by notching the points of impact of shells. It is just a "flying video / camera" simple mass UAV. Orlan-30 can illuminate targets with a laser beam to use the UAS, which gives "a second wind" to artillery ammunition with laser guidance.

[Zaurbek]

Probably some kind of specialists ... intelligence or special forces. Someone has to move forward.

[nuguma20051980]

Let's get back to the topic. Why are your regular parts moving around on such a sludge? Where are the ceremonial Boomerangs, Kurgan residents and Typhoons? I'm serious. [/ Quote]
Well, probably where the hostilities are taking place, they send equipment that has already been tested and there is some kind of tactics for using them

[saygon66]

- The guys are wearing BNZ 6B46 ... And they, it seems, are not in service. Although approved for use.
- We couldn't even find the big size ...

[Alexander Vorontsov]

Quote: saygon66

- We couldn't even find the big size ...

This is because the Russian army is well fed.

PS
Seriously though, the combination seems to me height, jacket and fit.
If you do not take the MTR, in ordinary units, there will never be a super-tactical-modular equipment. It's expensive. There will always be unification and there will always be such things ... characters who did not fit into a tank, into a submarine too.

[timeout]

Quote: Alexander Vorontsov

This is because the Russian army is well fed.

Is this a fighter of the RF Armed Forces? Something I do not see in him neither the chevron of the peacekeepers, nor the insignia or affiliation.

[timeout]

Quote: saygon66

The guys are wearing BNZ 6B46

This is the standard 6SH117.

Quote: saygon66

Although approved for use.

It was not purchased by the troops.

[saygon66]

- The basis of 6SH117 is a vest with connectors on the chest ... it is impossible to fix pouches in the center there.
- 6B46 was intended, among other things, for mountain shooters - perhaps supplied according to these standards ...

6W117

6B46.

[timeout]

Quote: saygon66

- The basis of 6SH117 is a vest with connectors on the chest ... it is impossible to fix pouches in the center there.
- 6B46 was intended, among other things, for mountain shooters - perhaps supplied according to these standards ...

I apologize for the inarticulateness. I wanted to say about the pouches that they are from the 6SH117 kit, in 6B52 there is a whole bag of them. And the bib is delivered naked, without pouches.

[saygon66]

- Both products are sewn by "Tekhinkom" ... Complete with a standard body kit ...

[Old26]

Quote: carstorm 11

the list of vehicles allowed for peacekeepers is very limited. and there is no air defense at all, like any heavy equipment. armored vehicles. maximum armored personnel carriers.

Actually, Dimitri, if you look at the composition of this peacekeeping brigade, you can see that it includes an anti-aircraft missile battalion, a separate tank battalion, and an artillery battalion.
True (the data is already outdated) the ZRDN included "Strela-10", "Wasps" and "Tunguska" - now, I don't know what. The art division was represented by mortar batteries of the "Tray" and "cornflower" types

[ccsr]

Quote: Old26

Actually, Dimitri, if you look at the composition of this peacekeeping brigade, you can see that it includes an anti-aircraft missile battalion, a separate tank battalion, and an artillery battalion.

The composition of the brigade itself does not say anything, because, as a rule, the number of military personnel involved and the list of weapons and military equipment is negotiated at the conclusion of the Treaty. That is why, for example, the number of peacekeepers in South Ossetia and in Nagorno-Karabakh differs significantly.

[Vadim_888]

If new attack Russian drones were "noticed" there, it would be much cooler

[Old26]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Old26

Actually, Dimitri, if you look at the composition of this peacekeeping brigade, you can see that it includes an anti-aircraft missile battalion, a separate tank battalion, and an artillery battalion.

The composition of the brigade itself does not say anything, because, as a rule, the number of military personnel involved and the list of weapons and military equipment is negotiated at the conclusion of the Treaty. That is why, for example, the number of peacekeepers in South Ossetia and in Nagorno-Karabakh differs significantly.

I am not against what you, comrade, wrote. It's just a response to the remark that the brigade has no artillery and air defense systems. Yes, but does not mean that they were introduced

[Oleg133]

Fly over Russian villages outside of Moscow. Decay and devastation. Bring in peacekeepers