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"Can become an example for Ukraine in Donbass": Ukrainian general inspired by the success of the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh

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Turkish Defense Minister's visit to the Operations Planning Center of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry



The Ukrainian army must be strengthened so that it is always ready to repel "Russian aggression". This should be done, despite Kiev's choice of a peaceful way to return Donbass to its control. This idea was voiced in an interview with the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, General Serhiy Krivonos, in an interview with the Ukrainian media.

The Ukrainian general is inspired by the success of the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh. He believes that the events in NKR, as a result of which Baku returned part of the lands seized earlier by the Armenian side, showed how important it is to have a strong army. Therefore, Ukraine, according to Krivonos, should also strengthen its armed forces "to remove any desire of the Russian Federation to continue its aggression."

The general said that the readiness to repel any “aggressive actions of Moscow is the primary task of the Ukrainian military, and for this the Armed Forces should be strengthened.

The NSDC Deputy Secretary believes that preparations should be carried out for war "in several dimensions" - in the information field and in the cyber space. As a "third dimension", the general mentioned the fighting on the ground and in the air. He stated that one should prepare for war not when it has already begun, but much earlier.

The success of the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh, according to Krivonos, can be an example for Ukraine in the Donbass, but the general for some reason does not take into account that the result of the Karabakh conflict was the introduction of a contingent of Russian peacekeepers into the region ...
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  1. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 November 2020 11: 04 New
    21
    This shirokov is famous for his chatter in Kueva. But in the Donbass it is hard to hear it. It's scary there - however, they shoot)))
    1. Machito
      Machito 15 November 2020 11: 14 New
      37
      If Ukraine repeats the Karabakh experience in Donbas, the result will be the same - the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 15 November 2020 11: 18 New
        30
        Krivonos has already said more than one life sentence, well, let him continue. The Ukrainian land does not become scarce - half-idiots angry
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 15 November 2020 12: 34 New
          +5
          Hi Aleksey! hi
          ukroina, should not forget that at least the help of a third person is needed. And to understand that in case of the intervention of the 3th person it will not be Armenia. wink
          By the way, I won't be surprised if an active phase begins in Donbass, many volunteers from Karabakh will go there ... wink For example, in order to obtain Russian Citizenship. For yourself and close relatives.
          1. A good one
            A good one 15 November 2020 12: 42 New
            +4
            Greetings to Stas and Alexey hi Judas can be seen and want to marry their pig for a lamb, more profitable. yes
            1. krot
              krot 15 November 2020 13: 04 New
              +3
              Ukrainian general inspired by the success of the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh

              If they try to do the same in Donbass, it will be a verdict for the Sumerians.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 15 November 2020 13: 31 New
                10
                They won't even try. This is the chatter of one, not very smart Kuevsky hero))) the reality is that ukroSS is now slowly decomposing, there is no one to fight. Terrible tales about the most combat-ready army of Geyropa, tell those who did not see the Banderovermacht in the vicinity)))
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              2. frruc
                frruc 16 November 2020 11: 53 New
                +1
                ..... that preparations should be conducted for war "in several dimensions" - in the information field and in cyber space. As a "third dimension", the general mentioned the fighting on the ground and in the air. He stated that one should prepare for war not when it has already begun, but much earlier ...

                What a wise speech, however. A real "strategist".
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 16 November 2020 18: 39 New
                  +1
                  Sitting in Kueva, in a warm office, with a clever look, "grind" nonsense, it's not to walk in the Avdeevskaya promka.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 15 November 2020 14: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            ukroina, should not forget that at least the help of a third person is needed. And to understand that in case of the intervention of the 3th person it will not be Armenia.

            They hope for help from the US and British armies, and they even begin to build bases in the country for themselves.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 15 November 2020 14: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: APASUS
              They hope for help from the US and British armies

              Azerbaijan has a very high level of motivation. They liberated OWN lands.
              Quote: APASUS
              they even begin to equip bases in the country.

              For 25 years, Azerbaijan has been preparing for this war. And then, I had to switch to manual control (Turkish) of the troops. I hope the "non-brothers" will not have that much time. Plus, a financial issue.
              And lastly ...
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              understand that in case of the intervention of the 4th person it will not be Armenia.
        2. aurano
          aurano 15 November 2020 13: 27 New
          +2
          why half? complete
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 16 November 2020 09: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Krivonos has already said more than one life sentence, well, let him continue.

          He confused everything, the bacon should be cut into slices and white, and not smoking.
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 15 November 2020 11: 59 New
        +7
        Exactly. They are inspired by the Karabakh scenario and forget about the 080808 scenario.
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 15 November 2020 12: 18 New
        -12 qualifying.
        There will be no input. Our rulers buried Novorossiya. They will hand over Karabakh as Armenia.
        Therefore, this person was so excited. Smelled a freebie.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 14: 19 New
          +2
          The input will be. Encore. Our rulers really have no choice. It has gone too far.
          So, at the very least, this is the introduction of a limited contingent into the territory of Donbas and the stop of shooting. This is, in the worst case, or a repeated defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine grouping in the Donbas.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 15 November 2020 17: 11 New
            +1
            They dreamed about it in 14 year. They didn't want to. What changed?
      4. saigon
        saigon 15 November 2020 13: 13 New
        +3
        Well, of course he is a talker General Ukrovsky, but he taught geography.
        And what if they attack and then bam mom don't cry, suddenly Russia fits in and immediately the flanking coverage of the group on the face of the face is drawn.
        How then the experience of a slow offensive will be needed, though without superiority in everything and without the Turkic mountain special forces.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 November 2020 13: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: saigon
          Well, of course he is a talker General Ukrovsky, but he taught geography.
          And what if they attack and then bam mom don't cry, suddenly Russia fits in and immediately the flanking coverage of the group on the face of the face is drawn.
          How then the experience of a slow offensive will be needed, though without superiority in everything and without the Turkic mountain special forces.

          One thing is bad in this scenario ... a lot of Russians will die, unfortunately - the backbone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In fact - the Civil War, God forbid!
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 15 November 2020 14: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: Hunter 2
            In fact - the Civil War, God forbid!

            Alexey, you understand that the issue has not been fully resolved. That all the same, will have to be determined and ukroine, and to some extent Belarus ... And the war, Civil, it is already underway. sad
            Thank God, not with us.
      5. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 15 November 2020 13: 28 New
        -3
        Actually, there is nothing to repeat. I consider the war in Karabakh a complete failure for Azerbaijan, both militarily and politically.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 November 2020 16: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Actually, there is nothing to repeat. I consider the war in Karabakh a complete failure for Azerbaijan, both militarily and politically.

          Yes, a brilliant victory for Armenia and NKR laughing
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 15 November 2020 17: 25 New
            +1
            Moscow won. But for Azerbaijan - this war will start "going sideways"))))
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 November 2020 17: 43 New
              +6
              No - Aliyev did everything very cleverly.
              1) Taking Shushi (a symbol of the conflict) did not touch Stepanakert and most of the NKR territory
              2) Preserving, thus, the need for the Lachin corridor
              3) Which ensures the existence of direct communication between the "metropolis" and Nakhichevan - communication between Azerbaijan and the Enclave will be cut off, Stepanakert will be in a blockade.
              4) Armenia will continue to provide for the Armenian population living in the NKR. Its security is Russia.
              5) Everywhere - PROFIT)).
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 15 November 2020 18: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Which ensures the existence of direct communication between the "metropolis" and Nakhichevan

                More precisely, between Turkey and "big" Azerbaijan. The railway road m / y by Turkey and Nakhichevan has already begun to be built. A direct corridor was formed between China and Europe, bypassing Russia. Azerbaijan is becoming the main player in Eurasia, Aliyev played a brilliant game.
                1. Bessik
                  Bessik 17 November 2020 08: 25 New
                  0
                  Before the start of the conflicts, many here yelled that Karabakh was a useless dead region, now it is almost the best trade route from China, and the possession of it is equivalent to the possession of Eurasia))))
              2. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 15 November 2020 18: 15 New
                0
                Did you take Shushi?))) All roads are under the control of Armenians. The "winners" whine - asking the Russians to provide a transport corridor. But the Russians told the winners: "You have won now, get out as you wish." There will be everything you need through the mountains, to carry on donkeys. And it is still unknown how all this will end, so the Russian base may remain there for 10 years or 20)))) The Lachin corridor is provided by Russian peacekeepers, but the corridor to Nakhichevan is provided by Armenians and Russians. However, at the right moment, the Russians can turn away, look in the other direction. I'll see how much Aliyev will sit in the president's chair with such a profit)))
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 15 November 2020 18: 21 New
                  +3
                  1) Roads? Watch Anna News report from near Shushi - the fall of Stepanakert was a matter of several days at most.
                  2) How do they whine? laughing They will be able to move freely on the territory of the NKR, if they want - under the control of the peacekeepers, of course, but nevertheless
                  3) And on the Lachin corridor, the Russians will not want to turn away? laughing
                  4) With such a profit, Aliyev will ask the peacekeepers to leave in 4 and a half years, directly by agreement, and then everything will become very smooth from the Armenian side)). hi
                  1. Maz
                    Maz 15 November 2020 21: 07 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    1) Roads? Watch Anna News report from near Shushi - the fall of Stepanakert was a matter of several days at most.
                    2) How do they whine? laughing They will be able to move freely on the territory of the NKR, if they want - under the control of the peacekeepers, of course, but nevertheless
                    3) And on the Lachin corridor, the Russians will not want to turn away? laughing
                    4) With such a profit, Aliyev will ask the peacekeepers to leave in 4 and a half years, directly by agreement, and then everything will become very smooth from the Armenian side)). hi
                    I will correct and remind you of Krasnodarchik and others like him, remember, two Jewish soldiers got lost and got caught in the gas, then they were escorted to the police station by local Palestinian law enforcement officers, and then both soldiers were torn to pieces and thrown out from the second floor by local residents. And finished off with window frames. And brutally. So Jews can also move freely on gas, if the scalp is not valued, but freely. Armenians will also travel there freely to the nearest police station. So there is no need to overflow here and be smart about Tosho if you were not there ... But I was.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 15 November 2020 22: 45 New
                      +3
                      1) In Ramallah, it was - a respected "former officer of the RF Armed Forces", of whom among the guards, cleaners and laborers in Israel, 50 percent (according to their stories that did not withstand checks who really served in Russia)
                      2) Who told you about the free movement of Jews in the Hamas enclave of Gaza? lol
                      3) You and in Afghanistan probably fought with the government army of South Vietnam - your type in Israel is very familiar to me, I repeat)).
                  2. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 15 November 2020 21: 36 New
                    0
                    1. Anna - News is a Colonel of the General Staff or Major General of the GRU?))) 2. Who will let them into the NKAO?))) They can freely move around the territory that they liberated. 3. Russians, they are like that, you can expect everything from them)))) 4. With such a "profit" will Aliyev be president in four years or will he be asked to "nah from the beach"? the withdrawal of peacekeepers is not decided by Baku alone, but also by Yerevan and Moscow. And by and large, only Moscow decides, the opinion of the rest is purely for beauty)))
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 15 November 2020 22: 50 New
                      +2
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      1. Anna - News is a Colonel of the General Staff or Major General of the GRU?))) 2. Who will let them into the NKAO?))) They can freely move around the territory that they liberated. 3. Russians, they are like that, you can expect everything from them)))) 4. With such a "profit" will Aliyev be president in four years or will he be asked to "nah from the beach"? the withdrawal of peacekeepers is not decided by Baku alone, but also by Yerevan and Moscow. And by and large, only Moscow decides, the opinion of the rest is purely for beauty)))

                      1) Journalists - posted on the video an attempt by Armenians to recapture Shushi in cash collection vehicles and T-72 tanks. Couldn't enter the town
                      2) Only peacekeepers can not let them in))
                      3) But only not to help the light of civilization in the gloomy world of Transcaucasia at the time of fierce resistance of the people - war to tomato traders
                      4) While they are asking Pashinyan from the beach, they probably do not understand that this big sweat of the Armenian people is a war.
                      5) Why did Moscow fit in at the wrong time - they asked it for a long time, and not Azerbaijanis laughing
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 15 November 2020 23: 27 New
                        0
                        I do not know whether they were able or not. But the "winners" now can neither enter nor leave, only donkeys help out, but this has not yet gotten cold in the mountains and has not been covered with snow.
                        Personally, I think that Moscow "fit in" a bit early. It was necessary to wait a couple more days until Pashinyan was thrown into the trash can.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 15 November 2020 23: 30 New
                        +2
                        It was about the lives of thousands of people - they fit in on time
                        What problems do Azerbaijanis have with logistics? There is no plane tree anywhere, incl. in Armenian sources
                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 16 November 2020 00: 07 New
                        -2
                        If you were worried about people's lives, you had to "fit in" on the first day. The Azerbaijanis entered Shushi on foot through the mountains. All departures are under the control of Armenians. Now, in order to supply the garrison, a corridor is needed, but the Russians are not helping - the treaty says nothing. In general, the "winners" now - just laugh it off))))
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 November 2020 01: 40 New
                        +1
                        Perhaps - helicopter pilots will have to be supplied laughing
                      5. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 16 November 2020 18: 37 New
                        0
                        In winter, in the mountains on a turntable?))) A fascinating way of suicide. And if there are still stray Armenians with MANPADS, it's generally gorgeous.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 November 2020 20: 19 New
                        0
                        lol
                        Yes, according to the so-called. by the Armenian side, they send everything to the "hellish gorge" - on off-road vehicles and tracked vehicles. In addition, I am writing again - look at paragraph 4 of this agreement - ONE of the parties may ask to remove the peacekeepers in 4 and a half years - therefore, if MANPADS are used, in 5 years the peacekeepers will leave, followed by the entire population of Stepanakert)). For the nation of marshals and generals will again become very lonely alone with the tomato traders wink
                      7. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 16 November 2020 21: 19 New
                        0
                        And what, they are taking a lot?))) And the snow will fall - they will be even more lucky))) One of the parties will ask, and the other will ask not to withdraw. Four years is so long that even thinking is scary. So, let the Azerbaijanis stock up on donkeys and introduce the position of donkey driver in the army.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 16 November 2020 21: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        And what, they are taking a lot?))) And the snow will fall - they will be even more lucky))) One of the parties will ask, and the other will ask not to withdraw. Four years is so long that even thinking is scary. So, let the Azerbaijanis stock up on donkeys and introduce the position of donkey driver in the army.

                        This is not provided for in the document - disagreement of some of the parties, etc. In addition, the Russians will not allow shooting from behind, and, most likely, the Azerbaijanis are already using the road along the Lachin corridor to Shushi. So far, only the Armenian side has requests for the rate of evacuation, etc.
    2. Bessik
      Bessik 17 November 2020 08: 29 New
      +1
      It's not a fact that in 4 years there will be no population with Russian citizenship, and there Vova will find how to catch hold of this land)))
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 17 November 2020 11: 40 New
        0
        This is the most profitable layout for Azerbaijan laughing
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 18: 20 New
    +4
    I cannot but agree. I will just add, as a counterbalance to the Turks - I created a Russian military base on the territory of de jure Azerbaijan.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 November 2020 18: 24 New
      +6
      So it is beneficial to both Russia and Azerbaijan (forcedly - to the Armenians). The Turk was beautifully brought out of direct intervention))
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 18: 26 New
        +4
        I would say very beautiful. And the railway to Nakhichevan is an extremely inconvenient route to Europe. laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 November 2020 19: 02 New
          +6
          If through Iran - Iraq - Syria - Turkey - then quite an extreme tour. Can be sold for a lot of money. But investments are also not sickly - armored train, etc. laughing
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 19: 29 New
            +2
            That's for sure!!!
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 15 November 2020 20: 26 New
          -3
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          well, an extremely inconvenient way to Europe

          On the contrary. China has more than once tested the road bypassing Russia, different options. Now the task is being simplified, Georgia is being removed. The railway was already there.

          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 15 November 2020 20: 33 New
            -2
            Also, China tested a path bypassing Kazakhstan.
            The construction of the Kars (Turkey) -Nakhchivan railroad has begun.
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 15 November 2020 20: 36 New
            +2
            And all this is noticeably more inconvenient and more expensive than the Transsib route. It's nothing more than a pressure tool and a fallback
          3. Yura
            Yura 15 November 2020 21: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            On the contrary. China has more than once tested the road bypassing Russia, different options. Now the task is being simplified, Georgia is being removed. Railway there already used

            Since May 2020, container rail transportation by China to Europe has exceeded 1000 trains per month. Also, cargo transportation from Europe to China is increasing. Your pictures don't even work as a joke. And yes, if you say that the trains went through Ukraine, they will believe you, catch up and believe again, I mean the Chinese. The logistics has already been established, they will set up and work out any questions that have been revealed in the process and voila, everything will work like clockwork. No one for the sake of Ukraine, Azerbaijan, will break the tuned logistics, to which, by the way, both Japan and South Korea are attached (with Korea, everything is not clear to me yet).
          4. Yura
            Yura 15 November 2020 21: 46 New
            +1
            I will add that in September 2020 the number of trains exceeded 1200, and in just 9 months the number of trains exceeded 8756. Something like this.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 16 November 2020 10: 09 New
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        China has repeatedly tested the road bypassing Russia

        Russian with Chinese brothers forever No. and that the road bypassing Russia is a business, nothing personal.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 November 2020 13: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Bearded
    If Ukraine repeats the Karabakh experience in Donbas, the result will be the same - the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine.

    Yes, most likely. The militia alone is unlikely to last long. The Ukrainian army is still getting stronger, after all. If Turkish drones also receive, then the militia will have to change tactics completely. We need to train specialists to deal with drones. Without training and technical equipment, effective struggle will not work. This means that you cannot do without direct assistance from Russia.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 15 November 2020 17: 28 New
      0
      Have you seen ukroSS up close? Banderovermacht is rapidly degrading. Those who had real experience of fighting in 2014-15, almost all went to hell and fuck you will lure them back. UkroSS is a sump for drunks, drug addicts and other margins, which is not suitable for a normal life.
      1. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 15 November 2020 21: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Banderovermacht is rapidly degrading. Those who had real experience of fighting in 2014-15, almost all went to hell and hell you will lure them back. UkroSS is a sump for drunks, drug addicts and other margines,
        The hard-hitting truth is that these processes occur on both sides of the LBS. At least in the LPR. Ideological and real members of the database were squeezed out of the service. We gathered a herd, not knowing which side to hold on to the machine gun. The main selection criterion is that they do not rush to the offensive. The main military specialty is a shovel operator. Having tasted such a service, even those who still have patriotism get rid of patriotism. After serving their year (and sometimes not having served, through the SOC / SOCH), people quit, while doing such "advertising" in civilian life that there is no replenishment and is not expected. How did you decide to fix the situation? Lower the bar on requirements. Now everyone is rowing. Drunkards, junkies, inmates (right after liberation, near the gates of the penitentiary complex), psychos, hepatitis, ... And all under the strict guidance of visiting Varangians. I could write a lot more, but then this whole article will turn out. I would not like to make such a gift to the banderlog.
        So, Russia may introduce peacekeepers, but it will be after the Ukronazis dispose of the remnants of the "People's" Militia (and they dispose of, even if mutually, simply because there are more of them), and perhaps only for a while so that the Russian population Donbass was able to move to Russia.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 15 November 2020 21: 24 New
          0
          Those who are on the defensive have many advantages.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 November 2020 18: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    If Ukraine repeats the Karabakh experience in Donbas, the result will be the same - the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine.

    Or it will completely become a province (in Turkish - IL) of Turkey.
  • Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 16 November 2020 09: 00 New
    0
    We should not forget about the fact that the number of Russian citizens is increasing every day in Donbass.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 16 November 2020 10: 01 New
    0
    In order for Ukraine to repeat the experience of Karabakh, it is necessary that instead of the Russian army there was an Armenian army))
  • Finches
    Finches 15 November 2020 11: 28 New
    13
    What kind of Anika the warrior? What boilers did you serve? laughing
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 15 November 2020 11: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      What boilers did you serve?

      Preparing for hellish ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 November 2020 12: 34 New
    +1
    But it will knock on someone's head thinking to arrange a massacre a la Karabakh for the Donbass! !! fool And worse, a new slaughter will begin! fool
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 November 2020 10: 12 New
      +1
      All the more so, Biden may well deliver lethal crap to those who are jumping.
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec 15 November 2020 11: 05 New
    +7
    In my opinion, conflicts in the post-Soviet space can be resolved only with the consent of Russia. If a state wants to win, then Russia should also win.
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 15 November 2020 11: 07 New
    +8
    it's up to little, promise Crimea to Erdogan
  • Mouse
    Mouse 15 November 2020 11: 07 New
    11
    Bad example is contagious ...
    1. A good one
      A good one 15 November 2020 12: 59 New
      +4
      Infection does not stick to infection. hi They have different feeding boobs. If they take something off each separately, they will remain with titties in their teeth. yes
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 15 November 2020 13: 03 New
        +9
        Infection does not stick to infection.

        But ... solicits ... hi
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 15 November 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    Obviously, they will drag out Minsk until a new turmoil in Russia to grab a piece using its permanent weakness, as in 1917 or 1991. And then squeal that Crimea and Donbass are ruins, etc. For a couple of months they proclaimed something there
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 November 2020 11: 14 New
      10
      Quote: Rubi0
      Obviously, they will pull from Minsk until a new turmoil to cover a piece of Russia, taking advantage of its permanent weakness, as in 1917 or 1991

      Maybe Russia will finally grab a piece for itself?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 November 2020 11: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Maybe Russia will finally grab a piece for itself?

        Len, from whom and why? If it was necessary, Donbass would already be in Russia. No nonsense happened in Karabakh
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 November 2020 18: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Maybe Russia will finally grab a piece for itself?

        Will return back to their penates.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 15 November 2020 11: 11 New
    +3
    Even the noiseheads. These, as always, are getting richer with a thought. lol Each conflict is unique in its circumstances. Let them just try.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 November 2020 18: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      Even the noiseheads. These, as always, are getting richer with a thought.

      And what to expect from such.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 November 2020 11: 16 New
    +7
    laughing Not everyone had enough fat, apparently lolBack in the 2000s, the Khazars honestly wrote that there would be "Akhroderzhava" with 8-10 million cattle who wrestle in the fields for a bowl of buckwheat. That heavy industry and therefore technical universities are the legacy of the Maskals. But they have a solid SUGS in their heads and a croissant instead of brains.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 15 November 2020 20: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Back in the 2000s, the Khazars honestly wrote that there would be "Akhroderzhava" with 8-10 million cattle who wrestle in the fields for a bowl of buckwheat

      brilliant analytics.
      Buckwheat is not profitable to grow in Ukraine. Cheaper to buy.
      So they grow little of it and cut back the crops.
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      which means that the technical universities are the heritage of the Maskals.

      apparently all young people are interested in the legacy of these strange creatures.
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      But they have a solid SUGS in their heads and a croissant instead of brains.

      Yes Yes. Young fool. This is business and rock.
      Rum and slutty girls. (C)
      lol And this is information about the neighboring country. About which in Russian is written everywhere, including the materials of this country itself.
      PS. Once in a Soviet textbook, information about other places in a medieval man was described in this way. Myths about people with the heads of dogs and cats and so on ... Although we were talking about other cities.
      Apparently education has fallen ... the Middle Ages in the age of the Internet.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 16 November 2020 10: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        Buckwheat is not profitable to grow in Ukraine. Cheaper to buy.

        In "Russian" stores in America I often see Ukrainian buckwheat. True, I still try to take the Russian one, but when it is not there, then, in principle, the Ukrainian one is also possible. That’s what I don’t buy in principle. They got there hell knows what's going on with the environment.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 15 November 2020 11: 16 New
    +9
    Ukrainians register with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to cheat, well, or where to steal something, spoil it.
    If some Kiev muzzle invites them to really die in battle, then this does not cause the expected response or enthusiasm.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 15 November 2020 11: 32 New
      +7
      Looks like a little waltzman in the fields of Donbass disposed of ukrovoyenov.
      1. Dmitry Makarov
        Dmitry Makarov 15 November 2020 11: 34 New
        10
        Those were ideological, Maidan dandruff, they posed a threat to Valtsman, and could overthrow him.
        So he disposed of them in Boilers, and now the fool is dumb.
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 16 November 2020 12: 28 New
          0
          One hundred poods agree. So he pushed them.
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 15 November 2020 11: 19 New
    +6
    To Ukrainian generals, another example can be Georgia, 2008, how brave warriors scurry about, and the president chews a tie.
    1. Sailor
      Sailor 15 November 2020 11: 34 New
      +2
      "Nezalezhnaya" not Georgia, the Russian people live there, and if they have to fight, they will do it stubbornly. Events in Donbass have shown this, and Georgians have always been "brave" fighters, so why be surprised, but they can sing
  • Egoza
    Egoza 15 November 2020 11: 19 New
    +8
    Eh, Krivonos! Such a name is a disgrace! If anyone does not know, look who Maxim Krivonos, the Cherkasy colonel was ... Apparently the last molfar Nechay spoke correctly - the Ukrainian ethnos is dying out, and soon it will not remain at all, just like Ukraine on the world map.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 November 2020 11: 19 New
    +1
    He stated that one should prepare for war not when it has already begun, but much earlier. ...
    preparation should be conducted for war "in several dimensions" - in the information field and in cyberspace. As a "third dimension", the general mentioned the fighting on the ground and in the air.

    And where is he wrong?

    He believes that the events in the NKR, as a result of which Baku returned part of the lands seized earlier by the Armenian side, showed how important it is to have a strong army.

    The main thing is that Donetsk, Lugansk and Moscow shouldn't forget about it either, having such "partners" who are striving to fight.
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    2. sabakina
      sabakina 15 November 2020 11: 36 New
      +3
      [quote = Jacket in stock] [quote] He said that one should prepare for war not when it has already begun, but much earlier. ...
      preparation should be conducted for war "in several dimensions" - in the information field and in cyberspace. As a "third dimension", the general mentioned the fighting on the ground and in the air.
      [/ Quote]
      And where is he wrong?
      Space is six-dimensional.
    3. Reviews
      Reviews 15 November 2020 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      He stated that one should prepare for war not when it has already begun, but much earlier. ...
      preparation should be conducted for war "in several dimensions" - in the information field and in cyberspace. As a "third dimension", the general mentioned the fighting on the ground and in the air.

      And where is he wrong?

      And where is he right? The fact that war must be prepared in advance and that modern wars are not won without air superiority and effective propaganda? Well, the last two points have been known since the 1930s. And the first - from prehistoric times.
      Or maybe he's right that he is
      Russia's desire to continue its aggression "

      ?
      The only thing that this war proved was that attack UAVs were a serious factor in modern warfare, all theoretical calculations turned out to be correct.
  • Bilal
    Bilal 15 November 2020 11: 21 New
    +4
    but the general for some reason does not take into account that the result of the Karabakh conflict was the introduction of a contingent of Russian peacekeepers into the region ...


    Alas, this is a fact. The Russian government, repeating through the lips of diplomats, "We cannot interfere, Karabakh is Azerbaijan", sent weapons to Armenia by the hands (airplanes) of the military and satisfied other military needs of Armenia ...

    Roman Babayan (chief editor of the radio station "Moscow speaking") asks Pashinyan:

    There is no need to deceive me, because I have a fairly large range of information. I will immediately understand if you start lying, Mr. Pashinyan. The question is: is it true that the Russian Federation, starting practically from the very first day of this war, has offered you various settlement models and very good settlement models, not the ones that are right now, but very good ones? And every time you listened carefully to these proposals and refused, you simply refused


    He also asks if it is true that literally from the first seconds of this confrontation, this war, help was offered to the Armenian prime minister, and this assistance was immediately provided to him, and on a huge scale.

    "Is it true that dozens of Russian military transport aircraft landed on Armenian military airfields and not only military airfields? Answer us, please. Is it true that you received the weapons systems that you asked for? Did you personally ask and did you receive them?"
    ,

    - the journalist asks.

    Read more: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20201114/25333530/Prsto-otvette-po-chestnomu-Roman-Babayan-zadal-Pashinyanu-neskolko-neudobnykh-voprosov.html

    So far, the wedding is on the streets of Russia. Russian diplomacy runs the show. We must bow their heads before the diplomatic skills of Russia.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 15 November 2020 11: 26 New
    +4
    Populism, no more ...
  • HAM
    HAM 15 November 2020 11: 40 New
    +6
    Well, and the elk, then "the war is going on", then "it is necessary to reflect the future Russian aggression" --- everything is confused in Krivonos's head .... the general does not seem to know whether the army is fighting, or the aggression did not take place ... .it is all in the fourth dimension, not dry yet.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 November 2020 13: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: HAM
      Well, and the elk, then "the war is going on", then "it is necessary to reflect the future Russian aggression" --- everything is confused in Krivonos's head .... the general does not seem to know whether the army is fighting, or the aggression did not take place ... .it is all in the fourth dimension, not dry yet.

      Honestly, I understood her as well, who is fighting whom? Azerbaijanis with NKAO? Ars with Azeris? All against all?
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 15 November 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    Hmm, the captain, another obvious thing, has seen the sight of the Ukrainians. Technically, the UAV today is the most effective method of war and cannot be argued with.
  • cniza
    cniza 15 November 2020 11: 47 New
    +4
    Therefore, Ukraine, according to Krivonos, should also strengthen its armed forces "to remove any desire of the Russian Federation to continue its aggression."


    You need to heal your head, otherwise your nose will be straightened ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 15 November 2020 12: 21 New
      +2
      There seems to be nothing to treat there ..... bone, it is bone.
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 November 2020 15: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        There seems to be nothing to treat there ..... bone, it is bone.


        Well then, don't be offended ...
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 16 November 2020 11: 31 New
        +2
        there seems to be nothing to treat there ..... Duc sclerosis is not cured ... let's turn to medical reading material "Sclerosis - replacement of organs with dense connective tissue. Sclerosis is not an independent disease, but serves as a pathomorphological manifestation of another underlying disease." if that's all ... a crooked nose has been diagnosed and is not subject to appeal ... so ... neighing only from him ... they take an example from their owners ... there is a certain lady Michelle, who is to be read in place of the commander of all and all striped vemefe ... , said that she would soak the Chinese fleet in the YKM in 72 hours 00 minutes 00 seconds ..... I applaud .... the lady did not even think that after the first attack on the Xiaoping fleet, the surviving striped ones would have no place to return, they would have to robinson on numerous Pacific islands ... with what without communication ... one hundred percent xiaoping in the first hour will demolish the striped orbital group
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 November 2020 12: 15 New
          +1
          "There are few real violent" - as if this statement has recently been questioned! However, when they concentrate in very remarkable places, they become very noticeable to everyone around.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 15 November 2020 11: 47 New
    +5
    The most important thing is that the Outskirts itself does not become an "example" for Azerbaijan. In addition, the farm general modestly kept silent about the fact that in comparison with the army of Azerbaijan, the army of the Outskirts is a typical national shame.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 15 November 2020 11: 53 New
    +2
    Something tells me that the appearance in the Donbass of bayrakters and hunch-nosed, but dark-skinned operators will end tragically for the latter. They do not suffer from complexes like "here - Karabakh, here - not Karabakh".
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 November 2020 12: 02 New
    0
    The Ukrainian army must be strengthened so that it is always ready to repel "Russian aggression". This idea was expressed in an interview with the Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, General Serhiy Krivonos, in an interview with the Ukrainian media.
    Duty phrase, another duty minister)) UKRONATSIS.
  • ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 15 November 2020 12: 03 New
    +4
    It was the sixth year of the war with Russia, but Russia never came to the war)) laughing
    It looks like this general likes the "process", but how the war ended (in their cases, it will end), he is not interested
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 15 November 2020 12: 09 New
    -3
    This needs to be done, despite Kiev's choice of a peaceful way to return Donbass to its control

    Every word is a lie
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 November 2020 12: 20 New
    0
    The Ukrainian general is inspired by the success of the army ............. showed how important it is to have a strong army.

    And nothing else that / x / general did not notice ???
    Shortsighted, let's face it.
  • maktub
    maktub 15 November 2020 12: 37 New
    -1
    Where is he wrong? It is imperative to re-arm, gradually change equipment and weapons to modern models.
    In Karabakh, we saw the superiority of the modern army over the army of the previous generation
    1. aurano
      aurano 15 November 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      I think rearmament will not help Ukraine. What kind of real country in its environment can this squalor win. Not in this century for sure.
      1. maktub
        maktub 15 November 2020 13: 50 New
        -2
        It's good, keep counting this way
        1. aurano
          aurano 15 November 2020 13: 53 New
          0
          count it not - miracles will not happen
          1. maktub
            maktub 15 November 2020 14: 01 New
            -3
            The process is not fast, but it goes
            As my grandfather used to say: - "stretch your legs over your clothes"
            1. aurano
              aurano 15 November 2020 14: 03 New
              0
              what is it - dreams, delirium?
              1. maktub
                maktub 15 November 2020 14: 05 New
                0
                Smiled, stay in the dark
                1. aurano
                  aurano 15 November 2020 14: 06 New
                  0
                  I won't even say - we'll see
        2. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 15 November 2020 21: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: maktub
          It's good, keep counting this way

          I have an idea that such comments should have been thrown out by Ukrainians on the Runet (well, with the sense that narrow-minded Ukrainians will lose everywhere)
          so more hats. To form an image for the whole society, to facilitate actions.
          But if the Russian channels themselves are engaged in this, the broadcasts and authors on VO including ..
          Hardly with Ukrainian money. There are no such big ones.
          The Japanese Empire also did not throw in caps at RI. We did everything ourselves. Although there were checks. There were calls. Nabat was.
          But as a result, the economy will always and everywhere win.
          1. maktub
            maktub 15 November 2020 21: 22 New
            0
            And who am I?
            Not for money.
            I like the local mood laughing
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    2. businessv
      businessv 15 November 2020 14: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: maktub
      What is he wrong?

      In assessing the role of Russia he is wrong, is it really difficult to understand? To oppose Ukraine to Russia is at least stupid! The States consider the Square only as a springboard on which they are ready to fight to the last Ukrainian! hi
      1. maktub
        maktub 15 November 2020 14: 03 New
        -4
        Remind you of "North Wind"?
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 15 November 2020 13: 14 New
    0
    The example of Azerbaijan inspired him, only he will have to try on the "wooden suit" of the NKR. The 15th MC brigade will not burst.
  • prior
    prior 15 November 2020 13: 27 New
    0
    "Ukrainian general inspired by the success of the Azerbaijani army"

    Before you get excited, learn to chew ties ...
  • iouris
    iouris 15 November 2020 13: 50 New
    +1
    The idea is simple: "on the advice" of the head of MI6, to launch Erdogan into Ukraine with UAVs and with "babai". Let them fight. Actually, this will happen (but not in winter).
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  • businessv
    businessv 15 November 2020 13: 57 New
    0
    The success of the Azerbaijani army in Karabakh, according to Krivonos, can be an example for Ukraine in the Donbass, but the general for some reason does not take into account that the result of the Karabakh conflict was the introduction of a contingent of Russian peacekeepers into the region ...
    Therefore, it is necessary to start with the introduction of Russian peacekeepers, in order to stop such stupid and unpromising conversations on the part of the independent smile !
  • Potomac
    Potomac 15 November 2020 14: 05 New
    0
    All to the point. It is primarily about defense. For this, it is necessary to strengthen the APU. And not wait for the weather from the sea. The experience of Karabakh, here rather means, how the role of UAVs has increased in modern warfare.
  • wow
    wow 15 November 2020 14: 06 New
    +1
    As my grandmother said (her kingdom is heavenly) - there are a lot of fools, only they go out of place ....
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 15 November 2020 15: 39 New
    0
    The fact that Karabakh is mostly under the control of the Russian army, the crooked nose modestly kept silent))
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 November 2020 15: 51 New
    0
    Probably asking the Peacekeepers to enter ...
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 15 November 2020 21: 08 New
    -1
    It's funny that everywhere in any case and event, you can always draw a victory (victory) of the Russian Federation.
    It used to be fashionable to call it a multi-stroke. Now we just declare everything that happens to be a victory. And that's all. We are proud.
    for some reason does not take into account that the result of the Karabakh conflict was the introduction of a contingent of Russian peacekeepers into the region ...

    Apparently in Turkey, tears are shedding that they helped, and the Russian Federation has stolen everything ...
    Although the Internet says that the Turks have already begun to skim the cream ...
    Moscow will pay the expenses as usual.
  • svoit
    svoit 16 November 2020 10: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Hunter 2
    many Russians, unfortunately, make up the backbone of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    Do they really consider themselves Russian?
  • 7 poplar
    7 poplar 16 November 2020 13: 57 New
    +1
    well, let him try ......... with success ...