Little-known pages from the history of the war. Battle of Voronezh

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Little-known pages from the history of the war. Battle of Voronezh

Summer 1942 of the year - the most formidable and most alarming summer of war. Most of our citizens know it because the fate of the country was being decided at that time. The famous Stalingrad battle began, but for some reason, not many people know that there was another battle, the importance of which is still not fully appreciated so far - this is the battle for Voronezh. For some reason, our well-known commanders sometimes only casually mentioned her in their memoirs and no more than that, the battles for Voronezh and our historians do not particularly appreciate their attention, probably due to the fact that the attack of the enemy in this direction was a complete surprise for the Headquarters The Supreme Command, which assumed that, as in the previous year, the summer offensive would unfold on the Central Front in the direction of Moscow.

And as a result, everything happened the other way around, at the end of June, the enemy delivered his main blow right at the junction of the two Soviet fronts of Bryansk and the Southwest, the von Weichs army group launched an attack on Voronezh with the forces of the German 2nd Army, the Hungarian 2nd Army and 4th tank army. At the same time, the 4th Panzer Army of Gotha acted as the main striking force of the group. The operation, codenamed “Blau”, was commanded by Field Marshal von Weichs. Voronezh was the main turning point of the German formations to the south, as well as the main base, with the help of which it was supposed to provide flank cover for the main strategic direction of the entire military company in 1942 in the direction of Stalingrad.



From the first day of the offensive and throughout the first week of German aviation daily, massive raids were carried out directly on Voronezh itself, according to the accounts of eyewitnesses who survived all this horror, they bombed the city with devilish accuracy and this is not surprising, because Lipetsk was nearby, where in the late 20s future commanders of the Luftwaffe comprehended military aviation science, so this area was very familiar to them without topographic maps.

As a result, at the end of the first week of the offensive, the Germans reached the Don River by July 6. Due to the fact that the main bridge over the Don in the Semiluk area was not blown up by someone's negligence in time, the Germans forced the main water barrier without any difficulty and broke into the streets of the city. The defense of Voronezh at the initial stage of street battles against such an armada at that time had mainly fighters of several regiments and individual battalions of the NKVD troops, as well as local civilian militiamen, on the outskirts of the city also defended units of the 232 SD, which stretched their defenses along the front almost on 80 km. Nevertheless, the city did not surrender. Fierce street battles unfolded on its streets, separate parts of the Southwestern Front continued to be drawn into battle on the streets of the city, as well as reserves hurriedly thrown into battle directly from the wheels.


Understanding the seriousness of the situation, the Soviet command nevertheless managed to pull up to Voronezh part of the retreating 40 army, 60 army, 5 tank army and the newly formed tank corps. Heavy tank battles took place on the outskirts of the city, where, faced with the best infantry and tank units of the enemy, our units suffered heavy losses and, as a result, the massive counter-offensive operations of the Red Army were unsuccessful, alas. The scores of the cars shot down on both sides went by many hundreds, the intensity of the battles reached such bitterness that not only soldiers but also generals with the rank of commanders died in battles. Nevertheless, our troops still managed to hold the rokadnoe highway to Moscow. Here's how the English historian J. Fuller wrote about these dramatic days: “The battle for Voronezh began, and, as we will see, for the Germans it was one of the most fatal during the war. The Russians, concentrated ... north of Voronezh, arrived in time to save the situation, perhaps they saved the entire campaign. There is no doubt that this was the case. ”

Who had to be in Voronezh, he probably knows that most of the city, the so-called right bank, lies between the Don and Voronezh rivers, and its smaller part, the so-called left bank, is on the left bank of the Voronezh river. At that time, according to various data, at least half remained in the city, which is about 200 thousand of its inhabitants, that is, thousands of civilians were essentially on the front line, where fierce street battles took place. A few days later, most of the right bank (main) part of the city came under the control of the German troops. The only exception was the northern town of the agricultural institute, where the multi-day battles were simply terrifying, for the most part, turning into hand-to-hand combat for each house. Bridges across the Voronezh River were blown up (except for the railway), along the remaining supports of this bridge, to the right bank, the northern part of the city, for the remaining bridgehead in the hands of our troops, reinforcements and ammunition were constantly being transferred. Our main units and subdivisions entrenched in the left-bank part of the city. However, on July 7, the commander of the German group, von Weichs, announced to his soldiers the final seizure of Voronezh, but this was far from the case, it was only the beginning of the battle for Voronezh. On the same day, the Voronezh Front was formed. The Soviet Information Bureau for several weeks did not dare to inform the country of the terrible truth about the city beating for life and death, replacing it with the streamlined words "... hard fighting in the Voronezh region."

Not everything was well with the information of the Germans, so the commander of Army Group South, von Bock, reported to Hitler about the complete capture of the city, but this information turned out to be incorrect and did not correspond to the actual state of affairs, as a result of the battles for Voronezh affected the fate of von Boc himself, he was later removed from the command of Army Group South (the official wording was due to illness) and sent to the Fuhrer reserve.

The German command tried to further develop its success, that is, to capture the whole city, once the Nazis even managed to cross over to the left bank of Voronezh south of the city, but as they moved towards the center, their units were attacked by our fighter battalion and as a result were completely destroyed, more attempts to capture the Germans did not undertake the left-bank part of the city, but only thought about one thing how to hold their positions.


Commander of the Voronezh Front, Colonel-General N.F. Vatutin at the observation post

We all know about the Nevsky Piglet during the defense of Leningrad, but few know that there was a Nevsky Piglet and in Voronezh - this is the Chizhovsky bridgehead, in late August and September 1942, the Red Army command attempted to secure a bridgehead on the right bank of Voronezh. Not the first time, but our troops succeeded. The Chizhovsky bridgehead, nicknamed by the soldiers as “the valley of death”, began from the flood meadows of the right bank and climbed the steep coastal hills of the southern part of the city. To get to the bridgehead, the troops needed to force the Voronezh River, to force the river, Soviet military engineers invented and used an underwater crossing, the fighters at night constructed this crossing from concrete fragments and broken bricks, covered with water and invisible from the air for half a meter. On one of the nights, equipment and infantry were transferred to the right bank, as a result of a sudden strike, a bridgehead was seized in the right-bank part of the city, which, despite repeated attempts by the enemy to drop our troops, continued to remain with our fighters. The battle on Chizhovka did not stop until the liberation of the city, how many of our soldiers died there, it’s just unknown, still more people are still found in these places, now more than 15 people are buried in a mass grave on the Chizhov bridgehead, but only 000 surnames are known person. This is the largest burial of the Great Patriotic War in Voronezh. It was from Chizhovka that one of the main attacks on the enemy troops was inflicted upon the liberation of the city in January 3545.

As a result, in the course of the unceasing bloody battles in the Voronezh sector, a huge enemy grouping, which the Germans failed to use at Stalingrad, was shackled by the battles. The seriousness of this section of the front for the Germans is also indicated by the fact that at the height of the fighting in Voronezh they had transferred a division even from near Stalingrad. The battle for Voronezh has created all the conditions and prerequisites for the victory of our troops at Stalingrad.

In the autumn of 1942, a protrusion formed in Voronezh’s enemy defense, a kind of “Voronezh Arc”, about 100 kilometers in depth with a base length of about 130 kilometers. The 10 of the German 2 Divisions and the Hungarian 2 divisions were located inside this projection. The Soviet High Command decided to strike the flanks of this projection. Voronezh-Kastornoy operation began on 24 on January 1943, as a result of this operation on January 25, all areas of the city occupied by the Germans were completely liberated, and throughout the entire Voronezh sector, the entire enemy group was completely surrounded, the so-called Stalingrad on the upper Don. Fierce fighting continued until February 17. The enemy tried to break through the encirclement, but was crushed. The enemy lost up to 11 divisions (German 9 and Hungarian 2), almost all heavy weapons and equipment. The defeat of the Nazi troops near Voronezh during the Voronezh-Kastornoy operation rightfully allows us to speak of it as a major success of the Soviet troops in the 1943 year.


After battle. The Soviet tank KV-1C (high-speed) and its dead tankman who shot the German tank column. Voronezh Front

The city of Voronezh itself turned out to be the third, after Leningrad and Sevastopol, by the length of stay on the front line, 212 days and nights the front line passed directly through the city. During the entire war there were only two cities - Stalingrad and Voronezh, where the front line passed through the city itself. Voronezh was included in the number of 12 cities in Europe that were most affected in the Second World War and in the number of 15 cities in the USSR requiring immediate restoration, up to a total of 95% of all city buildings were destroyed.

Voronezh and our enemies, especially the Hungarians, remembered for a long time, they almost lost their entire most efficient army near Voronezh, and the German divisions 26, the Hungarian 2s (completely) and the Italian 8s, as well as the Romanian units were destroyed in the Voronezh area. . The number of prisoners was more than at Stalingrad, the total number of captured enemy soldiers taken in the area of ​​the Voronezh Front was about 75 000 soldiers and officers.

At the same time, according to various sources, the losses of the German troops and their allies amounted to 320 thousands of soldiers and officers. Our army has lost even more, in the battles on the Voronezh land about 400 000 Soviet soldiers were killed.

In the years when the country began to mark its cities with the special title “Hero City”, then Voronezh leaders had submitted documents for assigning this honorary title to Voronezh. But, unfortunately, this initiative did not find the initiative from the Moscow leaders, limited only by awarding the city with the Order of the Patriotic War, I degree.

16 February 2008 of the year for the heroism shown by the city’s defenders during the occupation by German troops, which did not allow them to completely capture one of the main centers of the country, the city was awarded the honorary title of the Russian Federation “City of Military Glory”, and Voronezh stands modestly among the cities of military glory, the city never became a Hero City.

PS
“Due to the fact that the main bridge over the Don in the Semiluk region was not blown up by someone’s negligence in time, the Germans forced the main water barrier without difficulty and broke into the streets of the city.”

Yellow dear the bridge was blown up by 605 sappers in the early morning of 5.07.42 (the end of the eastern support collapsed). The Avtoguzhevoy bridge in the area of ​​Old Semiluk was blown up by 4.07.42 by our sappers from 19.00 to 20.00 hours (see the photo of the reconnaissance aircraft from Aug. 1942 in the article by local historian Sdvizhkova, in the picture of Podkletnoe road intersection - St. Semiluki across the Don River there is no bridge In a well-known German photo, German tanks are forwarded across the Don in Old Semiluki by an induced truss bridge. To the left of the bridge you can see the piles of the blown-up bridge. Please correct in A. Lebedev's article. I also have testimony from veterans.
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  1. +16
    December 18 2022
    Regarding those events and the battle for Voronezh, in most detail, using a huge array of archival documents, almost every day is described in the work of the historian Sdvizhkov, I strongly recommend
    1. +4
      December 18 2022
      What are the Germans ??? The Nazis, together with the Italians and Hungarians ..
      1. 0
        February 4 2023
        Well, then "the Nazis, together with the Mussoliniites and the Horthists."
  2. +16
    December 18 2022
    Eternal memory to the heroes-defenders of Voronezh!

    And, probably, it is not too late to assign the title of Hero to the heroic city.
    1. +8
      December 18 2022
      It is better to throw money on the reconstruction, repair of roads and utilities, and reduce taxes. I think the residents of Voronezh will be more grateful for this.
      1. +2
        December 19 2022
        What's wrong with Voronezh? Am I from there?
        1. +2
          December 19 2022
          As far as landscaping is concerned, there is always money to be spent somewhere.
  3. +7
    December 18 2022
    Process the photo with a number ... you can probably distinguish the enemy in it ... here the war is visible without any embellishment.
    1. -10
      December 18 2022
      Process the photo with a number ... you can probably distinguish the enemy in it ...

      Even if you look through a telescope, you will not see the enemy. Ordinary military staged photo. What do you think during the battle photographed? Did the photographer capture the moment of death?
      1. +4
        December 19 2022
        Quote: Konnick
        What do you think during the battle photographed? Did the photographer capture the moment of death?

        Yes, I think so ... but what can not be like that? smile
        1. -1
          December 19 2022
          Yes, I think so ... but what can not be like that?

          Here is one made by chance
      2. +4
        December 19 2022
        Quote: Konnick
        What do you think during the battle photographed?


        You will not believe, but quite a large number of documentaries and newsreels were made during the battle (attack).
        1. -4
          December 19 2022
          were made precisely during the battle (attack).

          You can example
  4. +13
    December 18 2022
    Battle of Voronezh

    My battle. My family. My blood.
    In the summer, my grandfather Sidorov P.M. was taken prisoner at the beginning of the offensive against Voronezh. I left the Kyiv encirclement, but it didn’t work out here. He mined coal in Polish mines until the end of the war. He did not love the Poles until his death in 1983.
    Great-grandfather Prasolov F.V. died in December on the Voronezh land, before our offensive. He fought all summer and autumn on this sector of the front.
  5. +4
    December 18 2022
    Specially registered to comment on this opus. I have never seen anything more superficial and incompetent (in places).
    Here's what caught on: "In the fall of 1942, a ledge formed in the enemy defenses near Voronezh, a kind of "Voronezh Bulge", with a depth of about 100 kilometers and a base length of about 130 kilometers. Inside this ledge were located 10 German divisions of the 2nd Army and 2 Hungarian divisions. The Soviet Supreme High Command decided to strike at the flanks of this ledge.The Voronezh-Kastornenskaya operation began on January 24, 1943, as a result of this operation, on January 25, all areas of the city occupied by the Germans were completely liberated, and in the entire Voronezh direction, the entire enemy group was completely surrounded, it turned out so-called Stalingrad on the upper Don.
    Did the author of the wartime map at least look? What ledge - the Germans occupied the territory from Voronezh to Stalingrad in the fall, where is the base of 130 km?
    The configuration indicated by the author was formed only as a result of the magnificent Ostrogozhsk-Rossosh operation, and it was this operation that was called "Stalingrad on the Upper Don" (and this is what, for example, Filonenko's excellent study is called).
    The way the author presented history is how it was presented 30-40 years ago, during the decline of the USSR.
    At that time, as is known, the history of the war was the most correct and not at all rewritten.
    I say this with great irony, because the same mentioned Ostrogozhsk-Rossosh operation was hushed up in the Soviet years for a very indecent reason: the main blow of the operation was dealt by the 3rd tank army from Kantemirovka to Rossosh - Valuyki, commanded by P.S. Rybalko, and he became objectionable to the authorities immediately after the war and for this reason was erased from history.
    Who does not believe - go to the places of impact of the 3rd tank - not a single (!) Memorial to tankers, not a single mention on mass graves that tankers are buried, not a single mention of a marshall in the Kantemirovskiy district. Thank God, at least a monument was erected in Rossosh not very long ago.
    Now about the bridge in Semiluki, why it was handed over to the Germans.
    Is the author stewing in his own juice?
    For several decades, the history of the war in his native land has been collected by Valentin Kotyukh - "local historian, historian, chairman of the board of the regional department of the OOPO "VSS M.T. Kalashnikov", creator of the Voronezh Defense Museum in the 102nd school of Voronezh, propagandist of the Military Glory Line." (taken from the Internet, therefore in quotation marks). A well-known man who opened many unknown pages in the history of the war, a man-encyclopedia on the Ostrogozhsk-Rossosh operation.
    So, without going into details, because the information collected is not mine: with a high probability, close to 100%, the bridge was given to the Germans by the efforts of German agents in the Soviet headquarters, specifically, the notorious Marshal Varentsov (the patron of the even more famous traitor Penkovsky). For details - to Valentin Kotyukh.
    1. +3
      December 19 2022
      Who does not believe - go to the places of impact of the 3rd tank - not a single (!) Memorial to tankers, not a single mention on mass graves that tankers are buried, not a single mention of a marshal in the Kantemirovskiy district

      I went through officer training in Ostrogozhsk and the political officer of the unit told us about the Ostrogozhsk-Rossosh operation. When we left for training marches, we did not see a single monument. Although the scale of the fighting was very serious.
  6. +11
    December 18 2022
    after all, Lipetsk was not far away, where at the end of the 20s the future commanders of the Luftwaffe at the airfields leased from the Red Army comprehended military aviation science,
    Another perestroika myth. What could our pilots from the time of the Civil German pilots teach? In the Lipetsk center, the Germans taught our pilots, and not vice versa.
    1. +7
      December 18 2022
      Yes, here the author, alas, simply repeats a fashionable tale from a series about how Guderian "studied" in Kazan.
      It is a pity that until now people who undertake to write on the topic of history believe in all this and replicate it in their articles.
      1. +5
        December 18 2022
        It is a pity that until now people who undertake to write on the topic of history believe in all this and replicate it in their articles.
        Of course, it's bad that ignoramuses write articles without even trying to see the whole picture as a whole. On the other hand, it is a training for readers. Let them turn on their brains - what was the development of aviation in Germany during the years of WWI and in the Russian Empire? It is very fashionable to brag about our Ilya Muromets heavy aircraft, but such a class of aircraft with higher performance appeared in the Entente and in Germany by 1915. Repeatedly heard the opinion that Goering allegedly studied in Lipetsk. It is not clear what the ace of the First World War could have been taught there. Of course, we also had aces (Nesterov, Kruten, Efimov), but firstly, there were few of them, secondly, not all of them survived until the end of WWI, and thirdly, those who survived were almost equally divided into reds and whites. The same Efimov went to the Reds and was killed by the Whites in Odessa.
        The same with the chemical weapons center (the center was somewhere in the Saratov region), and with the tank center in Kazan. So the question of who taught whom there is pretty obvious.
        1. +3
          December 18 2022
          The same with the chemical weapons center (the center was somewhere in the Saratov region)

          Chemical test site "Tomka", st. Prichernavskaya near the city of Volsk, Saratov region.
          I agree with you completely.
    2. +3
      December 18 2022
      after all, Lipetsk was not far away, where at the end of the 20s the future commanders of the Luftwaffe at the airfields leased from the Red Army comprehended military aviation science,
      Another perestroika myth. What could our pilots from the time of the Civil German pilots teach? In the Lipetsk center, the Germans taught our pilots, and not vice versa
      You re-read the excerpt from the text you referred to! Where in the sentence "future commanders of the Luftwaffe at airfields leased from the Red Army comprehended military aviation science ..." did you see that we taught them something there ?! wink But your statement that "In the Lipetsk center the Germans taught our pilots ..." can also be classified as a perestroika myth, because there is no reliable data on whether they prepared someone for us and how much ... no! But the fact that they specifically improved the educational and material base (at their expense) in Lipetsk (which made it possible for us to subsequently train our pilots) is yes!
  7. +3
    December 18 2022
    I. Sdvizhkov.
    Lectures on "Media Tactics" and books.
  8. +3
    December 18 2022
    And the front line did not pass through Tver (Kalinin) or Tula, for example?
  9. +6
    December 18 2022
    Voronezh is a hero city that has not become one so as not to offend the Hungarians. The shame of the Soviet government, to deprive their own for the sake of sadistic murderers, in comparison with whom even the Gestapo is resting.
    1. +2
      December 19 2022
      And this version is quite probable - ideology!
    2. +1
      December 19 2022
      How many minuses did the descendants of the Hungarians throw at you)) Or is it the Urengoy Kolya? on VO they are already, according to sensations, every third.
  10. +3
    December 18 2022
    Moty across the Don were blown up. So the drovers of cattle, which they tried to steal from the Nazis, were driven into the water across the river, but the planes destroyed the animals on the shore and in the river. It is a fact.
  11. +4
    December 18 2022
    Commander of the Voronezh Front, Colonel-General N.F. Vatutin at the observation post

    Vatutin was the commander of the troops of the Voronezh Front until October 22, 1942, and he definitely could not wear shoulder straps, established at the beginning of 1943, during this period.
    1. -1
      December 18 2022
      Most likely these are later pictures, and what's the difference, the territory is ours everywhere.
      1. +6
        December 18 2022
        Likely? So you still have doubts about this?
        But really, what's the difference?
        Signing a photo of Vatutin when he was commander of the Southwestern Front as commander of the Voronezh Front is a mere trifle.
        "People already hawala."
        Only then you will not be surprised when your grandchildren will call Suvorov the liberator of Moscow from Napoleon. And what - "the territory is ours everywhere"!
        1. -1
          December 18 2022
          Well, history did not reduce Suvorov to Napoleon, but it happened to Pugachev and Moscow was in danger. So or not.
          1. +4
            December 18 2022
            I think that you perfectly understood what I meant in the passage about Suvorov, who liberated Moscow from Napoleon. But consciously divert the conversation to the side, transferring it to a completely frivolous plane.
            And it's not pretty anymore.
  12. 0
    December 18 2022
    In the first photo, the second German from the left, what is in his right hand?
    Somebody knows?
    1. 0
      December 18 2022
      It seems like a Pak cannon ... pulling a mallet. what
    2. +1
      December 19 2022
      I dare to suggest that the case for the spare barrel for the MG-34.
  13. +5
    December 18 2022
    At the same time, according to various sources, the losses of the German troops and their allies amounted to 320 thousands of soldiers and officers. Our army has lost even more, in the battles on the Voronezh land about 400 000 Soviet soldiers were killed.

    It is amazing how easily the dead are flaunted in such topics - 400 thousand near Vronez, 1 million in border battles, 1 million near Moscow, 1 million near Stalingrad, 1.2 million near Rzhev, 0.5 million near Leningrad, etc.
    Already 5.1 million only in June 1941-February 1943!

    However, there are other data as well.

    1. Total dead soldiers of the Red Army and NKVD troops:
    - 6 official (taking into account 885 who died from diseases, died from accidents and were shot by the court of a military tribunal);
    - 488 real missing according to the results of the investigative work of the NKVD out of 000 of all irrevocable (12 dead, 776 missing, 800 captured, including survivors);
    - 34 dead from re-conscripted prisoners of war;
    - 114 dead in the partisan movement.
    Total: 7.

    2. 628 who died in captivity, but did not die.

    3. 446 dead in the Wehrmacht, in combat formations outside the Wehrmacht, in police formations, and also captured in these formations and shot by a military tribunal in 200-1942.

    Total: 10 dead, dead in captivity, dead in colobrants. Of these, 595 died.

    When will readers have dignity and respect for their veterans? When will society start to stop all these "juggles" with the wild data of our losses?
    Never! The dead have no shame, and the descendants sold the country for clothes, grub and used foreign cars. Including, the trailer sold the history of the Soviet period in the early 90s!
    1. +3
      December 19 2022
      Yes Yes. Maybe better, recall the date when, by order of the Minister of Defense, they again closed the archives of the Moscow Region on the Second World War opened by Serdyukov (only partially)? hi And why did they cover it again? Maybe precisely because they began to find in them something that does not fit in with the "officially" recognized? wink
  14. +4
    December 18 2022
    For several weeks, the Soviet Information Bureau did not dare to tell the country the terrible truth about the city that was fighting not for life, but for death, replacing it with the streamlined words "... stubborn battles in the Voronezh region."

    Wow streamlined words ...
    And what words should have been reported about the battles in Voronezh?
    1. +4
      December 19 2022
      Quote: Konnick
      And what words should have been reported about the battles in Voronezh?


      "Chief! Everything is gone, everything is gone. The cast is being removed, the client is leaving..."
      Well, probably somewhere like that. Based on the many names of modern bloggers.
      1. -2
        December 19 2022
        Quote: Igool
        "Chief! Everything is gone, everything is gone. The cast is being removed, the client is leaving..."

        No no no...
        The defense of Voronezh failed. Fully.
        Buy Kizlyar knives.
        AMMYAC.
        smile
  15. Eug
    0
    December 18 2022
    There is also an interesting story of attempts to liberate Voronezh back in the summer with the offensive of Vatutin's troops from east to west, although the configuration and, accordingly, the options for liberation from the north by the Rokossovsky front
    1. Eug
      +1
      December 18 2022
      I add, for some reason not the whole comment was transmitted:
      were much more promising.
  16. +7
    December 18 2022
    In the summer of 1942, in the battle for Voronezh - 37mm. Grandfather's anti-aircraft battery was located a hundred meters from the front line.
    His shabby in battles, then not yet guards 17 because. replenished in the near rear
    Yu-87 ("favorite aircraft" of the anti-aircraft gunner) entered very successfully for the battery and 11 confirmed in the award list. Junkers were substituted either at the beginning or at the exit from the attack.
    But at times worse than the bombing, according to Grandfather, there was a wind in our direction.
    I think it's clear why.
    If there is anyone from the Voronezh local historians? In the home archive, a photo of 1942, Grandfather and his Comrade near the fountain.
    Grandfather said that it was near the Pedagogical Institute
    About the title of Hero City not awarded to Voronezh, I also heard bewilderment from Grandfather more than once.
    1. +2
      December 19 2022
      11 confirmed Ju-87s? belay For one weapon? wassat Hmm ... There is such a book by Zefirov M. "Swastika over the Volga. Luftwaffe against Stalin's air defense." There, in sufficient detail, literally for each episode, REAL, and not reported, "successes" of air defense in the fight against the Luftwaffe are painted .... hi
      1. 0
        December 19 2022
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        11 confirmed Ju-87s? belay For one weapon? wassat Hmm ...

        This is fine. When counting applications for air defense for those shot down, it usually turns out that there is nothing at all left for the share of fighters. And if the applications of the army team are added, then the enemy goes into a deep minus. smile
        1. 0
          December 19 2022
          Excuse me...
          But write nonsense.
          It is completely official that we, that the Fritz have the effectiveness of the army (not to be confused with the object) air defense, about 50% of the destroyed aircraft. In addition, the MZA counts both armored targets and enemy infantry.
          I would have posted here both awards and a description of the feat from the "Memory of the People", but why do you need it?
          It was not your grandfathers' war.
      2. 0
        December 19 2022
        You upset me...
        "Battery" is, in your opinion, one weapon?
        Almost a month of covering the front line with a constant change of positions, even several times during the day.
        11 "downed laptezhniki", who also flew in more than once a day.
        With such a tension of fights, 11 in a month, this is nothing at all. There were actually more of them.
        But they confirmed / counted (I can speak exactly for 17tk / 4gv.tk) ONLY those who fell on our territory, who fell on a neutral vehicle in front of the infantry, exploded in the air with many witnesses.
        In addition, the scouts from the battery at the slightest opportunity brought signs of downed aircraft.
        And that's not all...
        Until the end of 43, there was a terrible shell hunger for the "Stalinist bofors". The fighters understood this and the Germans were beaten almost point-blank, for sure.
        More than half of the aircraft shot down by a battery accounted for the calculation of one gun. Siberians are people of steel.
        Of the four military orders (not medals) received for the war - three until the middle of 43.
        Why? This is a separate issue. In the "book" they usually do not write about it.
        And to characterize the book you are referring to, there is such a word - 'reading'
        And for those who doubt...
        Even before the war, grandfather was a math teacher, combined with the specifics of MZA - an explosive mixture.
        From the first to the last day in the war, four military orders and not a single wound.
        I am a materialist... But. Grandfather had the ability to foresee danger. The clan is rooted in the Cossack characternik, an associate of Bogdan.
  17. +4
    December 19 2022
    The battle for Voronezh in Soviet times was definitely underestimated, as was the Battle of Rzhev - the ideology, however!
    1. +1
      December 19 2022
      It's probably not about ideology. Heroism was massive and had to highlight something, and leave something in the shade.
  18. G17
    +2
    December 19 2022
    There is a good story about one day of the battle for Voronezh by Yuri Goncharov "Now - Nameless". The story is told from both Russian and German sides. Screen worthy. Highly recommend.
  19. +1
    December 19 2022
    Quote: Konnick
    Yes, I think so ... but what can not be like that?

    Here is one made by chance

    photo from the Varalbom website
    Author: Tony Vaccaro
  20. +5
    December 19 2022
    Voronezh entered the top three most destroyed cities along with Stalingrad and Minsk. For seven months, our soldiers heroically held the defense and did not surrender the tiny Chizhovsky bridgehead. Compare with Kherson. Not a single resident of Voronezh entered the occupation administration. Compare with the corrupt Odessa, where huge queues of those wishing to work for the glory of the Reich and the Romanian rulers lined up, and which, of course, is a hero city. I met in Western historiography the opinion that it was the battle of Voronezh that was the key in the Second World War. Which predetermined Stalingrad. Voronezh - without a doubt - a HERO CITY. If not for internal political squabbles and not for the desire to please "fraternal socialist Hungary", he would have received such a status.
  21. 0
    December 19 2022
    Not at all begging for the feat of Voronezh, especially since my father is from those parts of the Don, but still reducing to the fact that only the battles near Voronezh did not allow the transfer of reinforcements to Stalingrad is not entirely true.
    But what about the battles near Rzhev, where my father fought.
    It is probably correct to say that both the battles for Rzhev and Voronezh fettered significant German forces and made it possible to conduct a successful Battle of Stalingrad.
    Of course, Voronezh deserves the status of a Hero City.
  22. 0
    December 19 2022
    grandfather talked about the terrible battles for Voronezh, the Nazis were especially violently massacred after they bombed the children's hospital, he also said that there were mostly Magyars there, they were not taken prisoner
  23. 0
    January 30 2023
    The hero of Sholokhov's story "The Fate of a Man" has a family that perishes in Voronezh in 1942.
    “I just lined up awkwardly. They gave me a plot of six acres not far from the aircraft factory. If my shack were in another place, maybe life would have turned out differently ...”
    “In the third week I receive a letter from Voronezh. But it’s not Irina who writes, but my neighbor, the carpenter Ivan Timofeevich. God forbid anyone to receive such letters! .. He reports that back in June forty-two, the Germans bombed the aircraft factory and one heavy bomb hit right into my hut. Irina and her daughters were just at home ... Well, he writes that they did not find a trace of them, and in place of the hut there is a deep hole ... "
  24. 0
    February 4 2023
    The Soviet authorities did not like the Battle of Voronezh. Because it was the party organs that were the first to screw up from Voronezh, and the enemies immediately captured half of the city.
    And they did not even try to wash off such a shame.
  25. -3
    February 16 2023
    I noticed that local authors systematically and constantly overestimate the loss of Soviet troops ... Why would it?
  26. 0
    February 21 2023
    The author, which Semiluk bridge? The Germans were advancing from Shilovo, further along Ostrogozhskaya and Voroshilov!!! And from the side of Semiluk, the Germans could not break through the defense for a long time !!! My mother, an anti-aircraft gunner of the 3rd air defense regiment of the 2nd air army, stood at the positions of Gramsci and saw it all herself! By the way, the 3rd air defense division fought heroically in Voronezh, destroying tanks in addition to aircraft. But the vaunted NKVD officers abandoned their positions and went to the left bank
  27. 0
    February 22 2023
    Quote: VOENOBOZ
    Most likely these are later pictures, and what's the difference, the territory is ours everywhere.

    Those who have a monument to Kalashnikov with Sturmgever, who have posters for May 9 with the Tiger hang, etc. argue in the same style.

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