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What is Trump's or Biden's victory fraught with for Russia?

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The struggle unfolding in the United States between Trump and Biden for the presidency is of interest to many, from the point of view of the consequences for Russia if one or another candidate wins. By the number of electoral votes, Biden seems to have won, but Trump does not give up. He asserts about massive election fraud, through the courts seeking a recount of votes in fluctuating states. And how this confrontation will end is not yet clear. The main trump card in his hands is the decision of the Supreme Court on the separate registration of votes in Pennsylvania, received by mail on November 3 after 20 pm, when the voting had already ended. He expects to declare them illegal and extend this precedent to other states.


Fight not of individuals, but of clans


Some try to assess the opposition based on the personality of the candidates, their views and preferences. They are already talking about the possible vice-president Kamala Harris, the subject is completely secondary and selected to play a certain supporting role. The personalities of those defending the main post in the country are not so important, since in this campaign they represent not themselves, but those who are behind them - the political and economic clans. In this regard, the confrontation between Trump and Biden should be viewed not as a personal fight, but as a struggle between two clans, and analyze the goals that they pursue.

In the United States, the interests of the international globalists, represented by the Democratic Party, and the conservatives, who rely mainly on the Republican Party, clashed. That is, an irreconcilable struggle is not so much between Trump and Biden, but rather between conservatives and globalists. American elites of opposing clans stir up the emotions of the population and pull them over to their side in order to seize power, defeat the enemy and implement the policies of their clans.

It should be noted that there was no such tough confrontation before. The American ruling class has always compromised and agreed on who and how would govern the country. The war for leadership between the US Democratic and Republican parties has escalated not now, but with the election of Trump for his first presidential term. Since then, the opponents have grabbed each other's throats and are ready to bring the country to a serious internal confrontation, which is fraught with serious shocks in the United States and the world.

American society is divided approximately in half and advocates different views on the internal structure of the country and the role of the United States in the world. The contradictions between globalists and conservatives have reached their limit and are ready to erupt at any moment.



Goals and interests of globalists


Why is the fight so fierce? The international system of domination of financial capital based on a single international currency in the form of the dollar, built by the globalists over the past decades, is beginning to collapse. An inflated financial bubble that is unable to withstand the growing contradictions between the huge mass of unsecured money and the lack of a sufficient amount of produced product is bound to burst. The outbreak of the international economic crisis only accelerates this process, and nothing can stop it.

Globalists have set a goal in the interests of transnational corporations through financial capital and international structures (such as the International Monetary Fund, the US Federal Reserve System, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development) to rule the whole world and subordinate it to the financial international. The mechanisms of global subordination were well developed and under the guise of the "missionary role of promoting democracy" were widely implemented throughout the world.

Through political and economic pressure and blackmail, enslavement with loans, organization of color revolutions and coups d'état (up to foreign intervention in countries pursuing policies in their national interests), governments were overthrown and forces loyal to globalists were brought to power. This clan defends a rigid international division of labor, in which high-tech production is located in the countries under their control, while the rest are assigned the role of a raw material appendage and a sales market.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the globalists achieved uncontrolled domination of financial capital around the world and built a unipolar world led by the United States. The rebuilt financial system could not withstand such a load and overstrained. In anticipation of the imminent collapse, American conservatives decided to take revenge, bringing Trump to power in 2016. Such a confrontation can end only with the destruction of one of the competitors. Therefore, the two clans are fighting so fiercely for power: for them it is a matter of life and death. To save themselves, the globalists are trying to shift the emphasis from internal American problems to external ones and exacerbate the international situation to the limit.

For globalists on the world stage, the main political enemy is Russia with its enormous resources, educated and passionate people and an efficient army armed with a powerful nuclear weapon... They have made and will continue to make efforts to weaken the influence of their main enemy, destabilizing Russia from the inside and destroying the post-Soviet space through color revolutions and coups, forming an image of an enemy and aggressor in Russia.

Aims and interests of conservatives


Conservatives are not angels either. They advocate the traditional development of capitalism with the predominance of industrial capital over financial capital, the conformity of finance to the product produced, the investment of funds in production within the country and the limitation of speculative operations around the world. Their contradictions with the globalists are irreconcilable. And each of the parties seeks to destroy the other by imposing its own line of future economic relations.

Conservatives are focused on solving domestic problems, seeking to increase the economic power of the United States by returning industrial enterprises to the country, suppressing competitors and giving advantages to American manufacturers around the world. These clans pursue an isolationist policy in the interests of their country, intervene in the international arena only where their economic interests are infringed, and strive by all available means to achieve the hegemony of American industrial capital in the world. It is not just that the main slogan of Trump is the slogan "Let's make America great again."

The main enemy of the conservatives in the international arena is China, with its huge industry and the ability to inundate the whole world with its products. Trump unleashed a trade war with him and accomplished a lot by getting him to buy American goods. For conservatives, Russia is not a political, but an economic enemy on the arms and energy markets. In this regard, they are so fiercely fighting for the introduction of sanctions against Nord Stream 2, which prevents the supply of more expensive American liquefied gas to Europe.

What to expect for Russia from the victory of globalists and conservatives


The goals of conservatives and globalists diverge, and the mechanisms for their implementation are different. If the globalists achieve their goals through political and military pressure and blackmail around the world against uncontrolled countries, then the conservatives - through economic pressure only on competing countries, protectionism and trade wars, the introduction of all kinds of sanctions and the imposition of their products.

Globalists will continue, to please transnational corporations, the struggle to limit Russia's political influence in the world and especially in the post-Soviet space, provoke coups there and bring regimes unfriendly to Russia to power, in order to create hostile states and a zone of instability along the perimeter of the borders. They will support the liberal opposition in Russia, pushing it towards a complete seizure of power, provoke the puppet elites of Ukraine to toughen up their position on Donbass and Crimea, introduce painful sanctions in the banking sector and dual-use technologies, block and belittle the role and any actions of Russia at the international level on strengthening its influence, that is, doing everything possible to turn the main political rival into an ineffective second-rate regional power, removing the post-Soviet countries from its influence.

In the 90s, they already imposed on Russia a place in the world division of labor as a supplier of energy resources, and it has not yet gone far beyond this framework. Russia remained the world leader only in the development and production of weapons and in nuclear power (maybe even in the construction of an icebreaker fleet). In other sectors, the West and China, which is catching up, are in the lead.

In the financial and economic block of the Russian government, the globalists will support liberals who have been sitting there since the 90s and working for the globalists, who are blocking the development of the Russian sector of the real economy. Under their “wise” leadership, practically all revenues from the sale of energy resources abroad do not end up in the development of the real economy of Russia. Through financial speculation, they take them abroad to support the international currency - the dollar. Or they accumulate in the national welfare fund (where they are also not always used for their intended purpose). The globalists will naturally cherish and support this cohort of comprador bureaucracy (with the aim of increasing external influence on Russia's economic policy).

If the Conservatives win, their efforts will be focused on solving internal US problems and limiting the influence of finance capital. On the foreign policy circuit, the main front will be the economic suppression of competitors through protectionism and a set of economic sanctions. This will lead to a reduction in US interference in the internal affairs of Russia and the post-Soviet space, but an increase in economic pressure. And the Americans will squeeze Russia out of international markets, where it still somehow holds on.

It is possible that in order to prevent the collapse of the dollar financial system, the American conservatives will agree to the redivision of the world predicted by many experts into several financial zones of influence (the so-called Yalta-2) and the establishment of parity interaction between the zones. Then Russia will have the opportunity to become the leader of one of the zones and, along with China, interact with the United States, which will still strive to make its zone dominant. Trump's victory will give Russia a respite from the political pressure of the United States and an opportunity to improve its internal life and the post-Soviet space.

Russia is a geopolitical competitor for the globalists and conservatives of the United States. Therefore, no matter which clan comes to power there, relations with Russia will remain difficult. In the United States, there are no friends of Russia, there are only competitors. And confrontation with them is inevitable.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 16 November 2020 12: 06
    +4
    It seems that lately almost everything that happens is "fraught". And where it is thin there it breaks.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 16 November 2020 13: 14
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      It seems that lately almost everything that happens is "fraught". And where it is thin there it breaks.

      For 30 years, reformers have been looking at the US mouth .. every election they guess .. and then they drink champagne when, in their opinion, their candidate wins ..
      Russia is ashamed to look back at the United States .. but you can see this feeling has long been lost by our liberals ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 16 November 2020 17: 30
        +6
        The "reformers" know their "penny" price. So they look "into the mouth" of the owner, who did not even have to buy them - it turned out to be enough to allow them to keep the stolen goods.
        1. Civil
          Civil 17 November 2020 08: 10
          +1
          That Trump, that Biden ... you have to think with your own head, and not the liberal-reformist one that once again led the capitalist country of the 3rd world to a dead end ...
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 November 2020 13: 21
      +4
      In the 90s, they already imposed on Russia a place in the world division of labor as a supplier of energy resources .... In the financial and economic block of the Russian government, globalists will support liberals who have been sitting there since the 90s and working for globalists, blocking the development of the Russian sector of the real economy ... ...

      I knew it! It is the United States that is to blame for our "resource-based economy" and "technological backwardness"! I knew that they were holding back the development of our country, raised the retirement age in our country and kept pensions at the level of 160 "killed raccoons", as well as the minimum salary! All of them! All-USA! But we will win - yachts the size of convoy aircraft carriers or battleship cruisers of the Second World War for our "patriotically oriented entrepreneurs" and "effective managers" we have already learned to build, we will learn to do the rest! The main thing is to start! Let's direct our efforts and resources to the geopolitical confrontation with the United States! Until the last cowards! Let's rally! So we will win! yes
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 16 November 2020 17: 40
        +7
        Quote: Snail N9
        yachts the size of convoy aircraft carriers or cruisers-battleships of the Second World War for our "patriotically oriented entrepreneurs" and "effective managers" we have already learned to build,

        Alas and ah. We do not know how to build such yachts. In the best traditions of the banana republics, although there are no energy superpowers, as our adored guarantor dubbed this type of economy in a newfangled way, yachts, private planes, cars, and other attributes of the humble life of the servants of the people are acquired from an evil enemy. What? Changing gold dust for an empty jar that can be hung in the nose is the envy of the neighboring leaders, a good old Papuan tradition. Compliant, so to speak yes
      2. Alex823
        Alex823 19 November 2020 19: 31
        +1
        Yes, now it's not so much about the United States as about the finintern. Since the Russian Federation has been turned into a colony and built into the world system of capitalism, any step to the left will be punished with real nasty things, and not with plush sanctions, and this will lead to a sharp drop in the living standards of the masses, and who will be to blame for this? Of course, the one who wanted the best, but not right away. True, now, in connection with the deepening of the systemic crisis, problems already arise, and the owners' opportunities are diminishing, in the United States there is also a battle of groups defending different understanding of the future. Biden and those who stand behind him have a hard time with this understanding. all will be losses wherever you go, Trump has a little better, but also for a limited perspective.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 November 2020 14: 43
      +3
      "fraught with".
      In connection with the covid, the Mausoleum is closed. Interestingly, this was already ordered by Biden or Trump.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 16 November 2020 20: 39
        +1
        Alas and ah. We do not know how to build such yachts

        I even flattered this (otherwise everything would have been very sad, even in this regard ...). In fact, these yachts are built by Lursen, Thornycroft and BMW - mainly in Germany and the UK.
      2. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 17 November 2020 01: 32
        +2
        Quote: Gardamir
        In connection with the covid, the Mausoleum is closed. Interestingly, this was already ordered by Biden or Trump.

        Merkel and Macron ... only in the Russian manner. wink bully
    4. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 17 November 2020 18: 11
      0
      "American mafiosi in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania helped potential presidential winner Joe Biden with vote rigging, Lenta reports.

      As it became known to the interlocutor of the publication, Merlino, known as Skinny Joey, and his team produced about 300 thousand fake ballots in favor of Biden by order of his headquarters.

      According to him, representatives of the Democratic candidate a few hours before the closure of polling stations on election night gave Merlino several boxes with empty ballots. He drove them to two private homes in south Philadelphia, where his people were engaged in forging votes "(c)
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 18 November 2020 07: 03
        0
        Quote: Tank jacket
        As it became known to the interlocutor of the publication, Merlino, known as Skinny Joey, and his team produced about 300 thousand fake ballots in favor of Biden by order of his headquarters.

        It would be worth adding that today the price of this news is zero, because it is subject to great doubts due to the lack of evidence of this action and Joey's tight control by the police. Even in the US, this news did not interest anyone. Something like this. request
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 November 2020 07: 37
          0
          Nope, the price of this news is Biden's victory, it is present on all Russian news portals. In the United States, the media are controlled by the Democrats and the finintern behind them.
          Now, no matter how he adds this Skinny Joey to Killary's list, there are so many dead witnesses ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 November 2020 07: 55
            +1
            Quote: Tank jacket
            how would he this Skinny Joey not add to the list of Killary

            Well, wait and see ... An awl cannot be hidden in a sack, if something was real, it must not be today, so tomorrow it will creep out in one form or another. Maybe even at the end of Biden's cadence, someone will merge something in his memoirs. In this world, you cannot vouch for anything. laughing
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 November 2020 07: 50
          0
          On Vesti24, the story has already been shown about the old school gangster Joey ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 November 2020 08: 01
            0
            Quote: Tank jacket
            On Vesti24, the story has already been shown about the old school gangster Joey ...

            Our "news", they are "news" ..... There are references to this on the Internet. However, the state supreme courts do not accept the claims of the Trump team. Apparently, something with justification and proof is not very ...
  2. Serpet
    Serpet 16 November 2020 12: 07
    +4
    Biden, like those he represents, are personally responsible for the massacre in Donbas. If he is elected, pressure on the Russian Federation is likely in this sector.
    1. credo
      credo 16 November 2020 12: 43
      11
      Quote: Serpet
      Biden, like those he represents, are personally responsible for the massacre in Donbas. If he is elected, pressure on the Russian Federation is likely in this sector.

      Answering the question in the title of the article, we can say briefly - "Horseradish radish is not sweeter."
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 16 November 2020 13: 07
        17
        There are no friends of Russia in the USA
        "Partners", damn it!
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 16 November 2020 13: 21
          +5
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          There are no friends of Russia in the USA
          "Partners", damn it!


          Eh. If this debt could be knocked out with a bat and a soldering iron ... We would be the richest country in the world.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 16 November 2020 15: 00
            +2
            Quote: sergo1914
            Eh. If this debt could be knocked out with a bat and a soldering iron ... We would be the richest country in the world.

            Why should we knock out other people's money for ourselves? Russia's share in this debt is ~ 0.19%.
            China and Japan are the largest US creditors. They account for 19 percent of the total debt, which is about one trillion dollars each.

            The United Kingdom is in third place, the American government owes it about $ 640 billion. Also the creditors include Brazil, Ireland, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

            The share of Russia in the US national debt in recent years has decreased from 120 billion to 9,9 billion.
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 17 November 2020 13: 39
            +1
            Quote: sergo1914

            Eh. If this debt could be knocked out with a bat and a soldering iron ... We would be the richest country in the world.

            We are the richest country in the world in terms of potential, but with a bat and a soldering iron it is necessary to knock bribe-takers out of power.
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 16 November 2020 13: 29
          +3
          "There are no friends of Russia in the USA."
          But we have with you. hope with everyone. Another RUSSIA - we have NO.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 16 November 2020 13: 45
            10
            Another RUSSIA - we have NO.

            And this is our main problem. For the only thing that can get us out of the zeppa of capitalism is just another Russia. Soviet.
      2. Aleksandre
        Aleksandre 16 November 2020 13: 13
        +6
        Quote: credo
        Answering the question in the title of the article, we can say briefly - "Horseradish radish is not sweeter."

        Well, the Stalin Strait would suit most of the world, perhaps ...
      3. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 16 November 2020 13: 25
        +2
        Credo! Or, in other words, both are worse.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 November 2020 23: 35
        +1
        Quote: credo
        Answering the question in the title of the article, we can say briefly - "Horseradish radish is not sweeter."

        There is one important point ... all US presidents unleashed their war somewhere on the globe ... all but one - Trump. At the same time, he also closed the bases and cut the contingent of troops. Moreover, Trump at least resembles a sane, albeit illiterate, in terms of history.
    2. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. 17 November 2020 01: 33
      +2
      Quote: Serpet
      If elected

      Do you doubt Biden will be president?
      Quote: Serpet
      pressure on the Russian Federation is likely in this sector

      The pressure on Russia will be in all directions. Aggressive rhetoric from the US will intensify. The world will be on the brink of war. IMHO of course.
  3. Mouse
    Mouse 16 November 2020 12: 11
    +5
    The same eggs only in profile .....
    A little strategy pld edit ... wink
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 16 November 2020 12: 19
      +8
      Somewhere like that ...
      The author, instead of spreading his thoughts over the tree in a multi-letter sheet, should have answered the question "what awaits Russia in any outcome" briefly and clearly - nothing good.
    2. kapitan92
      kapitan92 16 November 2020 12: 37
      13
      Quote: Mouse
      The same eggs only in profile ..

      good
      Who is better for Russia, Obama or Trump !? laughing
      Now Trump or Biden !? laughing
      Fight not of individuals, but of clans

      And in Russia it is not so ???
      Better for Russia, to develop its economy, destroying the liberoid rabble of the "drunkard president." hi
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 12: 47
        +7
        Quote: kapitan92
        Better for Russia, to develop its economy, destroying the liberoid rabble of the "drunkard president."

        Have you encroached on the "sacred"? We have the whole government, with you know who, at the head.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 16 November 2020 12: 51
          +6
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Quote: kapitan92
          Better for Russia, to develop its economy, destroying the liberoid rabble of the "drunkard president."

          Have you encroached on the "holy"? We have the same government.

          hi
          Yes you!? Can not be? And I naively thought that we are all statesmen and patriots.
          fellow laughing
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 13: 10
            +4
            hi
            Quote: kapitan92
            And I naively thought that we are all statesmen and patriots.

            The funny thing is that once I really thought so. I thought how our "leader of the nation" is fighting with different liberals, and the score is like in that song "Argentina - Jamaica 5: 0".
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 16 November 2020 13: 33
              +6
              There is an opinion: that if the gold reserves of Russia would not have been crammed into various Western "money boxes" and "securities", but would have been invested in the development of science and the economy of their country, as well as in the education and health of our people, then we would not be enough worried about who would be the president of the United States ...
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 16 November 2020 13: 37
                +7
                Quote: Snail N9
                There is an opinion: that if the gold reserves of Russia would not have been crammed into various Western "money boxes" and "securities", but would have been invested in the development of science and the economy of their country, as well as in the education and health of our people, then we would not be enough worried about who would be the president of the United States ...

                The point is that the interests of the "authorities" and the interests of the people are opposite, unfortunately.
              2. Svarog
                Svarog 16 November 2020 13: 50
                +7
                Quote: Snail N9
                would be invested in the development of science and the economy of their country as well as in the education and health of their people, then in general we would not care much about who will be the president of the United States there ..

                They will never invest in the development of science and their people .. not profitable. They want a stupid consumer, preferably under 40 ..
                In general, you are right, if statesmen were in power, we would not care much about the US elections .. Russia is absolutely self-sufficient, but today a narrow group of people shoved all our wealth into our pockets.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 16 November 2020 15: 42
                  +7
                  Yes, here's the latest news:
                  Rosneft and Gazprom for 9 months of this year jointly created a loss to the state of 770 billion rubles. For this, in the same department of Sechin, 14 hard-working effective managers - no, they didn't go to jail, or at least were suspended from work, but received bonuses in total of 1 billion rubles. That is more than 4% received by them for the same period last year.
                  Impervious to understanding.
                  1. Snail N9
                    Snail N9 16 November 2020 16: 23
                    +5
                    Why is "beyond comprehension"? Everything is correct. Everything within the rule: "hand-hand warms". But the "patriots" still believe that "Russian Hamlet" is in the Kremlin ... wink
                  2. Hagen
                    Hagen 18 November 2020 07: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: depressant
                    Rosneft and Gazprom for 9 months of this year jointly created a loss to the state of 770 billion rubles.

                    Do not confuse the sinner with the righteous. In all the news, they write about the campaign losses. The main income for the state comes from MET payments, which these campaigns pay in any case. Although, of course, there are losses in the form of lost dividends to the share of the state. Given the economic downturn around the world, the corresponding drop in both prices and demand for energy resources, adding the effect of our intensified enmity with Europe and the United States, it is probably not wise to blame the decline in campaign revenues. What was paid in 2020 in the form of bonuses is mainly the results of 2019. And for what reasons do you want to put them in jail? Anything other than emotion? Having worked for some time in the oil industry, I can say that the control and auditing bodies work tirelessly there. And from time to time, individuals are quite successfully "closed" when they find reasons. And the demand system there is such that you never dreamed of, and commentators with experience in health care or education from the very first meetings would be tolerated with heart attacks. Sometimes you can light a cigarette from the conference room doorknob. And for big salaries, I can assure you, there is a serious selection process, and I will not get through. So, people work there with an average level of intelligence and motivation for success is an order of magnitude or two higher than ours, here at VO. Do not think that only here, at the forum, some "statesmen" have gathered. Here, in the bulk, people are hammered by problems and who managed to cope with them, and therefore fanatically critical, in short, not very successful in life. Actually, because our entire correspondence is not of any interest to an outside reader, which can be concluded from the absolute absence of links to articles and discussions outside the resource. Why? Yes, simply because there are no interesting topics, no interesting ideas. So, "club of retirees to frolic". The level of comments is like that of old women near the entrance. Complete "OBS". And when you write that something "... Is beyond comprehension.", Be aware that you are using a scanty amount of information that is not always reliable and are not, like most of your colleagues in HE, an expert on most of the issues discussed ... hi
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 18 November 2020 11: 33
                      +1
                      Colleague Hagen, thank you! love hi
                      Yes, that's such a life, from the honesty of the management of companies it becomes ashamed of themselves, as if she is a cheater, from their efficiency, such that even from the glow of even door handles you can light a cigarette (it would be interesting to try to light my cheap cigarette from an expensive Gazprom handle), and the country's budget is all skinny and skinny ...))))
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 November 2020 12: 47
                        0
                        Quote: depressant
                        the honesty of the management of companies makes you feel ashamed of yourself

                        Thank you, colleague, pleased with the apt expression. smile In fact, I would not be in a hurry to drag the management of oil and gas companies to the chopping block due to the depletion of the budget. Unfortunately, we are entering a world order where it is not the law, treaty and common sense that rules, but the right of the strong to ignore all agreements. But even twenty years ago, when we signed the agreement, we understood that both sides would fulfill it, and we did it. It is today the rule of freedom and contract conquering the world, and getting out of it without discussion with the other side. And here you need to correctly understand your capabilities. We are indeed facing a very strong adversary, and tangible costs are inevitable in the fight against him. After all, the same decisions of the Stockholm arbitration, according to which Gazprom paid Naftogaz, were so obviously illegal and not symmetrical in relation to the parties to the dispute that even some European lawyers wondered how this could be. It is clear that the Swedes have suffered reputational losses, now Gazprom is starting to work with other business companies, but how could one predict an obvious fraud of a respected country 10-20 years ago? Obviously, it can be argued that this decision was pushed through by some third forces that are not officially represented. I understand that we are all not pleased with this, but what do you see as the fault of the campaign's lawyers? Of course, the management of both Gazprom and Rosneft can be blamed for our technology lag. But one must understand that all these technologies would develop at the expense of campaign profits, at least, and most likely with serious injections from the state budget. It would be necessary to squeeze other items of expenditure somewhere. And for this, the companies have very influential characters with foreign citizenship who provide significant assistance in obtaining and mastering the missing competencies. And yes, they have to pay for loyalty and what would be more expensive to get in another way. Significantly more expensive. Why am I writing all this to you? I just want to draw your attention to the complexity of the situation that we see in information messages in two or three lines. Rapid anger has never been a stimulus for a positive process, and you, as an intelligent and experienced person, understand this as well as I do. love
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 November 2020 07: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: depressant
                        it would be interesting to try to light my cheap cigarette from an expensive Gazprom pen

                        Colleague, I've been smoking for almost thirty years. More than 10 years ago, I convinced myself that it was harmful and quit (from the third laughing ). But nevertheless ... It turned out that this is possible, and without any plasters and other ersatz substitutes. Even cheap cigarettes are damaging to both your well-being and even more to your health. Given today's pandemic, your lungs need to be protected. An acquaintance of the pathologist says that smokers have a terrible sight there, inside ... Take care of yourself. love
                      3. depressant
                        depressant 19 November 2020 09: 54
                        +1
                        Dear Hagen! This eerie sight of blackened lungs, oral cancer and other "delights" of a decomposing organism, I try to avoid looking at the packs of my cigarettes, because the body is afraid, but the spirit requires smoke to maintain ... the spirit! )))
                        I swear to you, as soon as the threat of war disappears, as soon as the first machine-tool plant of our own, without foreign participation, appears in the country, my spirit will rise, a pack of cigarettes will be thrown aside with anger, and then, after some thought, into the trash can. And I will tell her after: "Your time, the ersatz of spirituality, is up!"
                        Happy new day, colleague! )))
                        Now the snow has come ...
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 19 November 2020 11: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: depressant
                        as soon as the threat of war disappears, as soon as the country has its first own machine-tool plant without foreign participation

                        You know, I think you shouldn't make yourself dependent on someone else's activity. And the country will survive, no matter how hard it is today. The main thing is to understand that the country needs healthy, active and positive people. wink
  • svp67
    svp67 16 November 2020 12: 14
    +5
    What is Trump's or Biden's victory fraught with for Russia?
    New accusations, breaking old agreements, unleashing an arms race and sanctions ... whoever wins there
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 16 November 2020 12: 20
    +6
    In the United States, there are no friends of Russia, there are only competitors. And confrontation with them is inevitable.
    ..Any national capital merges with international, its own shirt is closer to the body ..
    1. t-12
      t-12 16 November 2020 12: 39
      +2
      Sometimes it merges, sometimes it spills. Still, the status of a sovereign wounded bandyuk is more pleasant than the status of the appointed head of the district administration.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 16 November 2020 12: 54
        +7
        Practice has shown that it does not spill laughing The interests of the national capital are subordinated to the interests of the international. laughing To the fact that Biden or Trump do not expect good things, I will definitely say that prices for goods and services in Russia will not decrease ... laughing whoever becomes president in the United States .. laughing
        1. BAI
          BAI 16 November 2020 13: 56
          +5
          I'll tell you for sure, prices for goods and services in Russia will not go down ...

          I will say even more precisely - gasoline will rise in price.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 November 2020 12: 24
    +3
    ... There are no friends of Russia in the USA, there are only competitors

    The obvious, and what exactly will happen, we will find out after a while ... most likely, nothing good, for any.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 16 November 2020 12: 52
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      most likely nothing good, anyway.

      it is clear as daylight that in any case, we are enemies for them, competitors, etc. one must rely only on oneself and pull out the economy and social sphere ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 November 2020 13: 25
        +1
        So I wonder what our top hopes for ???
        With us, everything is clear, only the people and for themselves, and those for whom, for what?
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 16 November 2020 13: 33
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          and those for whom, for what?

          on our patience and obedience ((
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 16 November 2020 14: 23
            +1
            Weak, unreliable arguments ... they did not bring victory to anyone, but there are as many defeats as you want.
            Moreover, it is not a fact that all this will happen if the situation is critical for them, because so many do not consider them theirs at all and may, may, agree to be replaced!
            Not for newcomers, of course, we have a steady aversion to this, but we can search and find here.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 November 2020 12: 26
    -1
    In case of his escape from the USA, Agent Donald must be allocated a 4-room apartment in Saransk and honorary citizenship of the Russian Federation.
    1. Avior
      Avior 16 November 2020 12: 35
      +9
      ... Agent Donald in case of his escape

      Oh these Donald's
      How not to overturn ... smile
    2. t-12
      t-12 16 November 2020 12: 41
      +1
      A 4-room apartment must be allocated to some engineer, teacher, doctor or military man. And Trump did nothing for Russia.
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 November 2020 13: 08
        +5
        It even gave two.

        If I'm not mistaken, he sold them and went to Belgium
        1. Niel-le-Calais
          Niel-le-Calais 16 November 2020 21: 59
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          If I'm not mistaken, he sold them and went to Belgium

          The owner of apartments in Saransk and including in Grozny is still a Russian citizen Gerard Depardieu.
          Although he is already a citizen of Belgium, and now he wants Algerian ..
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 16 November 2020 18: 09
      +2
      it is necessary to allocate a 4-room apartment in Saransk and honorary citizenship of the Russian Federation.
      ... Better in Grozny ..
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 16 November 2020 12: 26
    0
    A dead-chosen Alzheimer's and won't remember what it was. And there were elections.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 16 November 2020 12: 35
    +1
    What a long article. Regardless of who wins, Trump will remain president.
  • hermit
    hermit 16 November 2020 12: 40
    +2
    Russia is not a competitor to the States in any area. But they will pinch. Because the weak are not treated otherwise.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 16 November 2020 12: 42
    +4
    In the financial and economic bloc of the Russian government, globalists will support liberals who have been sitting there since the 90s and working for the globalists, blocking the development of the Russian sector of the real economy ...

    This paragraph is the answer to the question of who actually runs the country. The country's chief cannot or does not want to turn the situation in favor of the country. Along the way, he gave a death oath to all these liberal figures, no matter how not to change the situation in the country.
  • deniso
    deniso 16 November 2020 12: 45
    0
    Whom Putin will congratulate will be the president while deciding! laughing
  • Alex66
    Alex66 16 November 2020 12: 45
    +3
    Biden, Trump, and even Nixon will not harm us as much as our elite, led by Putin, in their desire to please them, if only they are accepted as equals by the Rothschilds, Baruchs, Coons ... The problem is not outside, it is inside, and so dangerous.
  • deniso
    deniso 16 November 2020 12: 47
    +1
    Is it important who won the rigged elections ?!
  • Gene84
    Gene84 16 November 2020 12: 48
    11
    There are no friends of Russia in the USA, there are only competitors

    A competitor is a rival, one might say an enemy.
    Our president says partners. A partner is a partner, an accomplice, almost a friend, one might say.
    Conclusion: we have no enemies, we only have accomplices wassat
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 16 November 2020 12: 57
    +2
    Already wrote in the comments on this topic, horseradish radish is not sweeter. There is not much difference for Russia. But looking into the past, we must admit that relations with the Republicans were a little better.
    The current (so far) president has not unleashed a single war, for this he is already a little +. Although he interfered in the affairs of other countries around the world, this is already in the "blood" of the Americans.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 16 November 2020 13: 23
    -2
    Another set of slogans. Author, you at least read Penn Global News, or something. And then from your blizzard propaganda cheekbones reduces.
  • arhitroll
    arhitroll 16 November 2020 13: 26
    0
    In the golden horde, at least a label was given to reign, but the smart ones do not even give documents
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 16 November 2020 22: 03
      0
      Quote: arhitroll
      In the golden horde, at least a label was given to reign, but the smart ones do not even give documents

      from what..
      Give. Verbal and even documentary. (Election recognition and democracy)
      And the collection of tribute is well organized.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 16 November 2020 13: 28
    0
    Biden is a very arrogant, unpredictable and dangerous type. Not even knowing the final results of the elections, that night he cut off the electricity in Balashikha, and in Khimki, right on the main street, he stole two covers from the sewer manholes!


    Here in our area, having cut down the substation, the cable was shorted so that the pole fell onto the heating main, damaging it. Since the night we have been sitting without light and heating, and no one knows when they will fix it. And I can't understand everything: is it Trump's fault or is it Biden already?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 13: 43
    +7
    What is Trump's or Biden's victory fraught with for Russia?

    Why are these reflections at the front entrance of the White House? You, by any chance, did not begin to believe in omens?

    In this case, it is interesting to know what the victory or defeat of the famous Russian president is fraught with for the United States.
    It should be noted that there was no such tough confrontation before.

    You know, earlier, before that ... before that, before that… when the confrontation of the American clans appeared, in the USSR there was “before the lantern” who was at the helm in the States. "Until the bulb", "on the drum", "us army", "up to the waist" ... Pay attention to this - it follows!
    That is, an irreconcilable struggle is not so much between Trump and Biden, but rather between conservatives and globalists.

    Eh, where the dog rummaged ... And what relation do conservatives or globalists have to grain yield or fish catch in Russia?
    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the globalists achieved uncontrolled domination of financial capital around the world and built a unipolar world led by the United States.

    Did the globalists achieve or did the "corrupt communists" betray the interests of the country and the people and ruin the statehood?
    For conservatives, Russia is not a political, but an economic enemy on the arms and energy markets. In this regard, they are so fiercely fighting for the imposition of sanctions against Nord Stream 2

    For conservatives, as well as for foreign banks, Russia is a source of investment and income. It is more interesting to know why Russia is a feeding trough for some, while for others it is life-long hard labor?
    It is possible that in order to prevent the collapse of the dollar financial system, American conservatives will agree to the redivision of the world predicted by many experts into several financial zones of influence.

    Conservators? But what about:
    They advocate the traditional development of capitalism with the predominance of industrial capital over financial capital, the conformity of finance to the product produced, the investment of funds in production within the country and the limitation of speculative operations around the world.

    You will determine your priorities.
    Russia is a geopolitical competitor for the globalists and conservatives of the United States. Therefore, no matter which clan comes to power there, relations with Russia will remain difficult. In the United States, there are no friends of Russia, there are only competitors. And confrontation with them is inevitable.

    Russia is not a geopolitical competitor for anyone. All property in the country is divided between foreign investors and local oligarchs. Sometimes in the United States there were people whose sympathy for our country was much higher than that of today's "temporary in power." I'm just wondering where the majority lives today that voted hands and feet for EBN and its reforms?
    hi
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 November 2020 14: 45
      +6
      I'm just wondering where the majority lives today that voted hands and feet for EBN and its reforms?

      Believe it or not, they live in Russia. Even your humble servant was at one time in their ranks. hi However, life broke off its horns (a la- "yavmogu", I am the master of my fate, now), opened my eyes, dispersed a pseudo-patriotic fog, and showed who is now running in my country, my place in modern Russia and what it is like to sell my services on free labor market. However, my parents continue to remain in this "camp" - as they previously voted for Yeltsin, they continue to constantly vote for his successor and his "initiatives." And, do you know what their "arguments" are? For both (Yeltsin + the receiver): 1-he says everything correctly, 2-he promises ... They added another "reinforced concrete argument" to Yeltsin's successor -3-he is from the KGB. and the 4th argument, he promised a whole thousand before retirement! The curtain. It is not cured, it is for life — it is a "scoop" of the brain. Alas. request hi
  • Freeman
    Freeman 16 November 2020 13: 45
    +7
    Russia with its enormous resources, educated and passionate people

    Yeah, educated. Under the current education system, in order to enter a university, you have to hire a tutor.
    And passionarity is visible only by the "seething govn" on the Internet.

    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 17: 06
      +3
      Quote: Freeman
      Yeah, educated. Under the current education system, in order to enter a university, you have to hire a tutor.

      Why do you think, after graduating from school, young people are in no hurry to become teachers, doctors, machine tool engineers ... And another question: "Why does our management prefer to pay (put on the staffing table) excessive salaries to state speculators?"
      How is it? If they do not "recover like flies", if they master the "phony literacy", if they can find a job, which does not require high qualifications (or vice versa - requires), then to hell with them - there are also imported products, clothes from which appear different sores and dermatitis, there is ecology, water under the counter ...
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 16 November 2020 17: 33
        +2
        ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilievich) Today, 17:06
        Why do you think, after graduating from school, young people are in no hurry to become teachers, doctors, machine tool engineers ...


        I understand that the questions are rhetorical. But still.
        In the USSR, the above professions were well, if not highly paid - and therefore prestigious.
        Now the priorities have shifted, we need "sold", "managers" and "lawyers".
        More precisely, they were needed, since there is an excess of them. But the "force of inertia" is still strong.
        But the return to the previous priorities is very difficult as a result of "reforms and optimizations".

        And also such a question: "Why does our leadership prefer to pay (put on the staffing table) excessive salaries to state speculators?"


        I believe this is a modern version of the "feeding" system. The "ruling clan" is how it rewards its members.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 16 November 2020 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: Freeman
          In the USSR, the above professions were well, if not highly paid - and therefore prestigious.

          In the USSR, they "guessed" that a person should be born, be provided with medical services from birth, then he must be taught and given the opportunity to work for the good of society and his personal. In addition, chances were given to have a family, children and continue their family. That is why the professions of a teacher, a doctor were "prestigious" ... They made it possible for the RSFSR to give birth to a million citizens annually ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 November 2020 13: 52
    +8
    A hare is sitting in the forest, and here a wolf entered the forest on one side, a fox on the other, and the hare thinks who is better.
    The author humiliated Russia by comparing our Motherland to a hare. How one should despise one's country in order to seriously discuss who is important for Russia, some kind of Trump is Biden the same
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 16 November 2020 14: 58
      +2
      At this stage of the banquet on our bones, it is very important what the owner deigns, the leg or wing to be torn from the carcass. Naturally, they do not ask for the carcass.
  • BAI
    BAI 16 November 2020 13: 53
    +1
    And how this confrontation will end is not yet clear.

    Yes, everything is already clear. Biden is the president, and Trump is the 6th president in the history of the United States (out of 46), who did not manage to be re-elected for a second term
  • Slon_on
    Slon_on 16 November 2020 13: 56
    +3
    And what difference does it make which poop to step on, dog or cat, it will still be unpleasant. So it is in this case.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 16 November 2020 16: 53
      +7
      Well ... now Biden, instead of Trump, will piss in our porches .... lol
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 November 2020 14: 55
    +3
    Every election of hosts we ask ourselves this question. Yes, what threatens (always this question), but what we allow to do with us and so threatens.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 16 November 2020 15: 12
    -1
    Trump said he would not transfer power. It's time to write new headlines "Biden, this is Guaido or Tihanovskaya"
  • parusnik
    parusnik 16 November 2020 18: 14
    +5
    Yeah, some of them will have to form the US government in exile .. smile I don’t understand the worries of the Russian man in the street, who will be the president in the United States, why are we absolutely not worried about who will be the president in Mexico or the Republic of the Seychelles? laughing
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 16 November 2020 18: 51
      +1
      So they don't have dollars lol
    2. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. 17 November 2020 01: 34
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      I do not understand the worries of the Russian man in the street, who will be the president in the United States.

      You have to worry about someone. We are not worried about our elections. We know the winner in advance. And there is still a show bully
  • Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 16 November 2020 22: 30
    0
    Yuri Apukhtin

    rolled down to some kind of primitive.
    In general, either the United States or "US agents" in the government are to blame for all Russia's troubles.
    Anyone is shorter. Mythical agents, mythical west.
    How long have you been sympathetic to the rain of raw materials and high prices?
    Others, for example, wasted no time.
    Although I agree that much depends on the United States in the markets of the world. But with stability, it doesn't matter who.
    So it is with the Russian Federation. Everything is stable there and everything suits the United States.
    Russia is a geopolitical competitor for the globalists and conservatives of the United States.

    the author himself wrote that the US agents are conducting the policy of Russia, then why should she be a competitor, if everything is in the hands of the United States? And what kind of competitor can be a country whose economy is 20 times smaller?
    She is a partner. And this is true. The United States has many partners.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 November 2020 04: 42
    +2
    In the 90s, they already imposed on Russia a place in the world division of labor as a supplier of energy resources, and it has not yet gone far beyond this framework. Russia remained the world leader only in the development and production of weapons and in nuclear energy (perhaps even in the construction of an icebreaker fleet). In other sectors, the West and China, which is catching up, are in the lead.[i] [/ i] belay the author is in charge of the iPhone's Brains or something ... Nuclear power and aircraft construction .. this is an order of magnitude higher technologically than iPhones and other consumer goods! to know the generation of the Unified State Exam or something got .. horror! read it!
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 17 November 2020 13: 28
    0
    Can you fix the title already?
  • seacap
    seacap 17 November 2020 13: 37
    +1
    This is to what extent it is necessary to "bring" the country, into which cesspool to drive, a once great power, into which poor and helpless one must turn from a once great invincible people, in order to lustfully choose what year according to all the media and "irons" our "overseas president, listen to chewing gum on all channels and broadcasts for many years, fearing to miss," and what Trump thought. "They did not pay so much attention to their elections, it is clear, we have elections, but there is no choice, as everywhere and always in all spheres of state activity, lies and deception, imitation of everything and everyone, loot rules. I can imagine what horror and hysteria grips editors and correspondents on channels when a story is required about a guarantor talking to a TV or about achievements in his country, so you have to limit yourself to short fragments between endless advertisements, in winter about snow in Siberia, presenting it as a miracle or a newfangled "horror, horror, we'll all die tomorrow", which, by the way, has a specific surname and goals that are far from being recited like meseems to the eyes of an ordinary layman.
  • seacap
    seacap 17 November 2020 13: 43
    +1
    Quote: Niel-le-Calais
    And this is true. The United States has many partners.

    They have no partners, they have servants and servants, and most of them are a barnyard on a ranch.
  • Bear040
    Bear040 17 November 2020 23: 42
    +1
    Biden's company seems more frostbitten to me.
  • Fat
    Fat 18 November 2020 20: 43
    0
    That's right "Boring"! What else to stir up? The Violet Revolution in the Jiang Province, or Qing ... or Jiang Qing? Or Lan Ping.?
  • for
    for 20 November 2020 22: 35
    +1
    Fight not of individuals, but of clans

    US foreign policy does not depend on the clans and the personality of the president.