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Number of servicemen killed during the war in Karabakh was named in Armenia

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Number of servicemen killed during the war in Karabakh was named in Armenia

The Armenian side during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh has lost 2 thousand 317 soldiers killed. Press secretary of the Ministry of Health of Armenia Alina Nikoghosyan informed about it.


In her words, the matter concerns the servicemen of the Armenian Defense Army and volunteers, whose bodies have already passed a medical examination and their identity has been established. It is not yet possible to establish the final death toll, since the exchange of bodies has not yet been completed.

The conflicting parties at the moment cannot have the final figures, since the exchange process is still ongoing

- said Nikoghosyan.

Meanwhile, as reported in the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, today there was an exchange of bodies of those killed during the hostilities in Karabakh. The Azerbaijani side, with the mediation of Russian peacekeepers, held a collection of dead servicemen on the battlefield near the city of Shusha.

As part of this humanitarian action, the bodies of the dead servicemen of the Armenian armed forces (...) were handed over to the Armenian side. Also (...) the bodies of six servicemen of the Azerbaijan Army who died during the battles around the city of Shusha were accepted

- said in a statement.

The Azerbaijani military department expressed gratitude to the Russian Defense Ministry and personally to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu "for organizing a humanitarian action" to collect and exchange the dead servicemen.

In turn, the unrecognized republic of Nagorno-Karabakh confirmed the exchange of bodies of the dead, which took place with the mediation of Russian peacekeepers.

Today, according to the previously reached agreement, the process of exchange of bodies of the dead has begun. The exchange is coordinated by the Russian peacekeeping mission with the participation of the International Committee of the Red Cross and the State Service for Emergency Situations of the Republic of Artsakh

- said Artsakh President Arayik Harutyunyan.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 14 November 2020 17: 22 New
    10
    It's time to take stock ...
    The time will not come to conclusions yet.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 17: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      It's time to take stock

      In technology, the loss ratio is terrible for the Armenians. The number of confirmed destroyed tanks and other armored vehicles of Azerbaijan is less than those captured. Those. following the war, Azerbaijan remained in + in armored vehicles. If you also consider that the battlefield is behind them ...
      Armenians have infernal losses in trucks and cars. You need to understand that almost every defeat there were people there.

      Armenian losses (confirmed videos):

      1) Tanks - 185 units. (of which 66 units were captured as trophies):

      52 units - T-72A
      2 units - T-72AK
      16 units - T-72AV
      35 units - T-72B
      80 units - T-72 of unidentified modifications

      2) Armored combat vehicles - 44 units. (of which 20 units were captured as trophies):

      20 units - MTLB with memory Zastava M55
      4 units - MTLB with ZU-23
      2 units - MTLB with S-60
      6 units - MTLB
      2 units - ZSU-23-4 "Shilka"
      1 unit - BRM-1K
      2 units - BRDM-2
      1 unit - BTR-70
      4 units - BTS-4
      2 units - unidentified armored vehicles

      3) Infantry fighting vehicles - 43 units. (of which 22 were captured as trophies):

      21 units - BMP-1
      19 units - BMP-2
      3 units - unidentified infantry fighting vehicles

      4) Self-propelled anti-tank systems - 3 units. (of which 2 were captured as trophies):

      2 units - 9П148 "Competition"
      1 unit - 1P149 "Shturm-S"

      5) Towed artillery - 147 units. (of which 27 were captured as trophies):

      2 units - 85 mm gun D-44
      2 units - 100 mm MT-12 "Rapier"
      5 units - 100-mm anti-aircraft gun KS-19
      1 unit - 122 mm howitzer M-30
      65 units - 122 mm howitzer D-30
      12 units - 152 mm howitzer D-1 (model 1943)
      52 units - 152 mm howitzer D-20
      8 units - 152-mm gun "Hyacinth-B"

      6) Self-propelled artillery - 19 units. (of which 2 were captured as trophies):

      15 units - 122 mm 2S1 "Carnation"
      4 units - 152-mm 2S3 "Acacia"

      7) Multiple launch rocket systems - 72 units. :

      64 units - 122 mm BM-21 "Grad"
      2 units - 273 mm WM-80 (Chinese MLRS)
      1 unit - 220 mm TOS-1A "Solntsepek"
      4 units - 300 mm BM-30 "Smerch"
      1 unit - Unidentified MLRS

      8) OTRK - 1 unit. - P-17 "Scud-B"

      9) Mortars - 16 units.

      10) ATGM - 52 units. captured as trophies incl. 8 TPK and optical devices.

      11) MANPADS - 2 units. Igla-S captured as trophies

      12) Anti-aircraft missile systems - 26 units. :

      3 units - 9K35 "Strela-10"
      14 units - "Wasp" ("Wasp-AKM")
      2 units - 2K12 "Cube"
      5 units PU S-300PS
      1 unit - a machine from the S-300 complex
      1 unit - Tor-M2KM

      13) radar - 12 units. :

      2 units - P-18 / M
      4 units - 36D6 (for S-300)
      1 unit - SNR-125 (for S-125)
      2 units - 5N63S (for S-300)
      1 unit - 19Ж6 (for S-300)
      1 unit - 1S32 (for 2K11 "Circle")
      1 unit - 1S91 (for 2K12 "Cube")

      14) Electronic warfare / REP machines - 2 units. :

      1 unit - R-330P "Pyramid-1"
      1 unit - Repellent-1

      15) Aviation - 1 unit. - Su-25K

      16) UAV - 4 units.

      17) Automotive equipment (Kamaz, Ural, etc.) - 451 (of which 230 were captured as trophies)

      18) False targets - 2 units. (Wasps)

      Losses of Azerbaijan (confirmed videos):

      1) Tanks - 30 units. (of which 3 were captured as trophies and later 1 returned to service and 7 damaged):

      1 unit - T-72 "Ural"
      3 units - T-72A
      7 units T-72AV / Aslan
      15 units - unidentified T-72
      3 units - T-90S (2 captured and 1 damaged / hit)

      2) Armored combat vehicles - 21 units. :

      8 unit - BTR-70
      8 units - BTR-82A
      4 units - unidentified armored vehicles
      1 unit - IMR-2 (damaged)

      3) Infantry fighting vehicles - 23 units:

      2 units - BMP-1
      16 units - BMP-2
      1 unit - BMP-2K
      1 units - BMP-3
      3 units - unidentified infantry fighting vehicles

      4) Mortars - 1 units.

      5) Aviation - 1 unit. - Mi-8/17, loss recognized by Azerbaijan

      6) UAV - 36 units.

      11 units - AN-2 (used to open air defense)
      11 units - IAI Harop (UAV-kamikaze)
      2 units - SkyStriker (uav-kamikaze)
      1 unit - Orbiter 1K (uav-kamikaze)
      2 units - Bayraktar TB2 (percussion)
      8 units - unidentified UAVs

      7) Wheeled vehicles, MRAP, transport vehicles - 30 units, of which:

      4 units - Marauder MRAP - (1 damaged, 1 damaged and thrown, 2 thrown)
      4 units - Matador MRAP (3 damaged and 1 thrown)
      7 units - Plasan SandCat
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 14 November 2020 17: 32 New
        0
        Number of servicemen killed during the war in Karabakh was named in Armenia
        yes of course ... they hide everything, and the Armenians too.
        1. Professor
          Professor 14 November 2020 18: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Dead Day
          Number of servicemen killed during the war in Karabakh was named in Armenia
          yes of course ... they hide everything, and the Armenians too.

          Murder will out.
          https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 14 November 2020 17: 48 New
        +9
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Armenian losses (confirmed videos):

        Whose video was confirmed - Azerbaijani propaganda? And the fact that it could be the same "video" as with the Russian "Buk", which allegedly shot down a Boeing in the skies of Ukraine, you probably could not have imagined - well, well ...
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 14 November 2020 18: 38 New
          0
          More violent footage is circulating on the net than on YouTube. For example, how Azerbadzians throw the corpses of Armenians from a helicopter into the sea, how they bury them with an excavator, etc. Tell me the editing too. We must face the truth, Azerbaijan turned out to be head and shoulders above in preparation and combat operations.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 14 November 2020 18: 51 New
            16
            So if
            Quote: lwxx
            Azerbaijan turned out to be a cut above in terms of training and combat operations.
            then, it is not clear how this fits in with the fact that
            Quote: lwxx
            Azerbadzians throw out the corpses of Armenians from a helicopter into the sea, as they bury them with an excavator, etc.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 14 November 2020 19: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: lwxx
            More violent footage is circulating on the net than on YouTube.

            And quite scary footage with the participation of Syrian militants.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 14 November 2020 23: 42 New
              -1
              I disagree with you. The most piquant plots are commented in pure Azerbaijani.
          3. Dzafdet
            Dzafdet 14 November 2020 19: 42 New
            0
            It is correct to say: Turks and Israelis, as well as militants from Syria. It was they who ensured the success.
          4. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 14 November 2020 19: 54 New
            +6
            Quote: lwxx
            For example, how Azerbadzians throw the corpses of Armenians from a helicopter into the sea, how they bury them with an excavator ...

            Quote: lwxx
            Azerbaijan turned out to be a cut above in training and combat operations.

            And what about cruelty?
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            1. krillon
              krillon 14 November 2020 21: 35 New
              +4
              That some, that others should be prosecuted for war crimes. One can argue who is a prisoner of war, who is not, but that we see it beyond the bounds. In this case, they are no different from the barmaley.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 15 November 2020 17: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: Krillon
                That some, that others should be prosecuted for war crimes.

                No prisoners were taken, not those not others.
          6. Albay
            Albay 14 November 2020 21: 25 New
            +4
            I saw a video where soldiers were buried with an excavator. The form there is Azerbaijani near the corpses. In the frame, those who bury them speak Armenian.
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              1. Deniska999
                Deniska999 14 November 2020 23: 16 New
                +2
                There are both savages.
                1. Artavazdych
                  Artavazdych 14 November 2020 23: 37 New
                  -11 qualifying.
                  Judging by the missing dash, you are the other side of the savage. Learn Russian.
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 15 November 2020 17: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Deniska999
                  There are both savages.

                  No war is waged humanely, the essence of war is WILDHOOD.
          7. Gofman
            Gofman 15 November 2020 00: 28 New
            +7
            Quote: lwxx
            Gotta face it

            It is necessary. I searched the Internet "Azerbaijan is throwing corpses into the sea from a helicopter." Produces video:

            And here is the original: shooting Aerograd Kolomna, parachuting, posted on December 19, 2018:
            https://ok.ru/video/1000589560499
            And here, for example, filming their record jump, there are even more "corpses":

            This is from the series "Strikes from unmanned aerial vehicles? I'm not going to draw you that!"
            1. X-factor
              X-factor 15 November 2020 11: 47 New
              0
              So take a close look. It's a clean cut. There is a blurred aura around the silhouettes of black spots. On the face of the installation))))) Yes, even throw off in their opinion "mud" m the sea where they themselves swim?
              Just think what is the point of desecrating your sea and even documenting it?
              There is no logic ..... pure propaganda of the Armenian side.
              1. Gofman
                Gofman 15 November 2020 11: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: X-factor
                So take a close look. It's a clean cut.

                Sasha, I will repeat for you: the original of this video, from which it was fabricated, is a shooting of a group jump of paratroopers from Aerograd Kolomna, posted in Odnoklassniki back in 2018. Here is a link to it (it is not inserted as a video, you can simply paste it into the address bar of your browser and see everything with your own eyes):
                https://ok.ru/video/1000589560499
                How would I prove that this is fake.
                1. X-factor
                  X-factor 15 November 2020 12: 18 New
                  -1
                  Thanks understood.
          8. ccsr
            ccsr 15 November 2020 11: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: lwxx
            More violent footage is circulating on the net than on YouTube. For example, how Azerbadzians throw the corpses of Armenians from a helicopter into the sea, how they bury them with an excavator, etc. Also say installation.

            I saw these videos, and I could not find out from any of my friends who made them and who threw them in. By the way, maybe they threw off the corpses of their mercenaries so as not to pay their families for the dead later, calling them deserters? Did you see whose corpses were thrown from the helicopter?
            By the way, there will be several dozen corpses in total - does it bother you that this does not even suit the company?
            Quote: lwxx
            .It is necessary to face the truth, Azerbaijan turned out to be head and shoulders above in training and military operations.

            I did not even say that Azerbaijanis are less prepared, but on the contrary, I think that the Armenians deservedly suffered defeat, because they are too keen on business, and did not think that money should be spent on defense. Once again I inform you that these two peoples are absolutely indifferent to me, and I personally do not give a damn about who defeated whom, because our Bulgarian "brothers" are already in NATO, and these are also eager to go there. But if our peacekeepers die, it will be a great tragedy for me - we should not risk the lives of our citizens in the interests of both sides, who are happy to shit on us, regardless of their nationality.
          9. orionvitt
            orionvitt 15 November 2020 13: 09 New
            0
            Quote: lwxx
            For example, how Azerbadzians throw out the corpses of Armenians from a helicopter into the sea

            They have nothing else to do, for these purposes to drive expensive equipment .. Here, on the contrary, in terms of propaganda, it is more profitable to show the enemy's losses in more massive than to hide them.
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 14 November 2020 17: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        11 units - AN-2 (used to open air defense)


        There were bombs on the suspension.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 18: 58 New
          +1
          Yeah. In principle, the Chinese came up with an excellent solution. Any small aircraft propeller-driven aircraft can be converted into a UAV. How many AN-2 and Cessn 172 in the world ... The AN-2 has a decent payload of 1,5 tons, it will lift a couple of KAB-500 without any problems.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 15 November 2020 02: 20 New
            -1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Yeah. In principle, the Chinese came up with an excellent solution. Any small aircraft propeller-driven aircraft can be converted into a UAV. How many AN-2 in the world

            The KPA is armed with 300 AN-2 and about the same number of ancient combat aircraft of the 60s that are in storage ...
      4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 14 November 2020 18: 10 New
        +3
        It turns out that not a single T-90 was destroyed, a good car! We must take good
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 14 November 2020 18: 23 New
          -5
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          It turns out that not a single T-90 was destroyed, a good car! We must take good

          subject to hits. or they were not. or "samovar" "arenyshtorykontaktreliktafganit" were.
      5. sergo1914
        sergo1914 14 November 2020 18: 16 New
        13
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        1 unit - 122 mm howitzer M-30


        How is this? She is unkillable. The broken rollback and rollback brake and the knurler are wrapped with tape and forward. Instead of a spindle, sunflower oil will go. The carriage will withstand a direct hit from a nuclear weapon. The shutter is piston. Open and use a sledgehammer? There is no other way. The trunk is thick. Unclear.
        PS I love her. The car is a beast. There is no better one.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 18: 21 New
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          How is this? She is unkillable.

          Everything is fine with her, they write that it is damaged, not destroyed.
          https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
        2. Jager
          Jager 14 November 2020 18: 46 New
          +7
          Yes, the M-30 is a classic in artillery. Most likely a trophy. The term of use is the main sign of the effectiveness and quality of the weapon. It works very well in the mountains, the only drawback is the weight.
          Both ours and the Americans have legendary samples that have been working for more than half a century and are not going to retire.
        3. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 November 2020 02: 48 New
          -2
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          1 unit - 122 mm howitzer M-30


          How is this? She is unkillable. The broken rollback and rollback brake and the knurler are wrapped with tape and forward. Instead of a spindle, sunflower oil will go. The carriage will withstand a direct hit from a nuclear weapon. The shutter is piston. Open and use a sledgehammer? There is no other way. The trunk is thick. Unclear.
          PS I love her. The car is a beast. There is no better one.

          eeeee ... forgot the movie ... with a sledgehammer to the last man tried to fix the shutter ... on an armored train like ... did not have time. (((
      6. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 14 November 2020 18: 29 New
        -2
        Thanks for the information. If we add more human losses, then the total component exceeds those in Afghanistan. This is when you consider that they fought for a month and a half.
      7. Machito
        Machito 14 November 2020 18: 37 New
        +9
        It's just a rout. UAVs defeated the ground.
      8. Jager
        Jager 14 November 2020 18: 42 New
        +5
        Howitzer M-30. My dear mother, she beat the Germans near Kursk.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 November 2020 02: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Jager
          Howitzer M-30. My dear mother, she beat the Germans near Kursk.

          well, maybe ... "we can repeat" like ... such guns, they just stand idle.
      9. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2020 18: 45 New
        +4
        Why do we need all this accounting?
        And so it is clear that in the first place they lost ... they simply lost in everything, which makes even a sufficient mass of people / military an effective, combat-ready, organized unit.
        That is, the mistakes of the political, military leadership of the highest level.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 November 2020 03: 19 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Why do we need all this accounting?
          And so it is clear that they lost first of all ...

          as Dr. Watson used to say in my favorite "Sherlock" with Livanov, ...-: do not rush .. do not rush ... "(C) (first series" acquaintance ")
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 November 2020 09: 35 New
            0
            And what, in fact, is he getting to know?
            Someone can provide a full analysis of what happened and why?
            While conversations, information is static, but everything that can really be of interest for debriefing WHERE?
      10. Thrifty
        Thrifty 14 November 2020 19: 21 New
        0
        Fire cat-aga, three flying saucers, a nuclear battleship, and a forty-cannon giant tank, forgot to be mentioned as trafies negative . You would write honestly, how many of your side have already been committed to the earth of the dead military! The Armenians then come out, it turned out to be more honorable than you having voiced, albeit not completely, the number of victims!
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 November 2020 03: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          Fire cat-aga, three flying saucers, a nuclear battleship, and a forty-cannon giant tank, forgot to be mentioned as trafies negative . You would write honestly, how many of your side have already been committed to the earth of the dead military! The Armenians then come out, it turned out to be more honorable than you having voiced, albeit not completely, the number of victims!

          Why is it now, it is necessary to bury in silence, men fulfilled their duty as a warrior, no matter from which side, you need to respect, but punish the bosses. who swore to whom.
      11. Konnick
        Konnick 14 November 2020 22: 06 New
        0
        Look at the footage of the passage of the columns of our peacekeepers - all the roadsides are littered with the corpses of Armenian soldiers.
        https://ru.krymr.com/a/mass-casualties-of-nagorno-karabakh-conflict-around-shushi/30950063.html
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 15 November 2020 03: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Konnick
          Look at the footage of the passage of the columns of our peacekeepers - all the roadsides are littered with the corpses of Armenian soldiers.
          https://ru.krymr.com/a/mass-casualties-of-nagorno-karabakh-conflict-around-shushi/30950063.html

          by personnel determine the nation ...? for me, the mountaineers are all the same, as for the Chinese they are all white, there is nothing to be done, for me, that the Tatar, that the Uzbek, and for them, that I am Belarusian, that I am Ukrainian (I will not even talk about the region)
      12. Rakovor
        Rakovor 15 November 2020 10: 10 New
        +1
        Question: were the kamikaze losses during direct use or were they shot down by air defense?
    2. Civil
      Civil 14 November 2020 18: 26 New
      +4
      There is a video of how our people were driving between Shusha and Stepanokert (Khankandi), there the corpses of Armenian soldiers in a defeated column lie in dozens ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 18: 38 New
        0
        There is a video of the DRG that this squad was destroyed.


        The video itself of the destroyed squad. The same UAZ and cash-in-transit car.
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 14 November 2020 20: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      It's time to take stock ...

      "Then we began to count,
      Comrades count.
      "(with)
      In the Armenian public, the figure for the dead is 4750 ...
      As soon as the ex-Ambassador of Armenia to the Vatican Mikael Minasyan announced the real figure of the losses of the Armenian side during the hostilities, namely 4750 people, of which 2250 were killed and ended up in the morgue, 1400 were killed and not yet taken to the morgue, 1100 were missing, when suddenly The Ministry of Health of Armenia immediately gave a figure of 2317 deaths.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 November 2020 20: 48 New
        +3
        Physical and physical losses, moral losses ..... for some people it's time to admit mistakes, and not blame everything and everyone.
        In short, dusting heads with ashes is not to be expected.
      2. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 17 November 2020 10: 21 New
        +1
        Here 4-5 thousand is a more plausible figure, since the belligerents always underestimate their losses and increase the enemy's losses by about 2 times.
  2. prior
    prior 14 November 2020 17: 26 New
    25
    Another two and a half thousand lives, including on the conscience of Judas Gorbachev, who destroyed the country.
    And he is paid a state pension ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 14 November 2020 17: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: prior
      Another two and a half thousand lives, including on the conscience of Judas Gorbachev, who destroyed the country.
      And he is paid a state pension ...

      what 2 thousand? fool Thanks to him, tens of thousands threw themselves into another world, remember all his "reforms".
      1. prior
        prior 14 November 2020 17: 39 New
        14
        I'm talking about the Armenian soldiers who died in Karabakh, as well as Azerbaijani, Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovans ...
        And how many children! And how many unborn children! How does the land tolerate him !?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 14 November 2020 18: 25 New
          0
          Quote: prior
          I'm talking about the Armenian soldiers who died in Karabakh, as well as Azerbaijani, Russian, Ukrainian, Moldovans ...
          And how many children! And how many unborn children! How does the land tolerate him !?

          then, it is necessary to start with the conclusion of the GSVG..ZGV.the consequences are the same.the disintegration of families, drunkenness and dismissal of personnel officers.
        2. Jager
          Jager 14 November 2020 18: 49 New
          +7
          Even Satan disdains them, the whole vat of boiling guano will not fit in any way
      2. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 November 2020 22: 36 New
        +3
        Direct 1,5 million, if I'm not mistaken, lives can be safely recorded on a toad
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    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 14 November 2020 17: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: prior
      Another two and a half thousand lives, including on the conscience of Judas Gorbachev, who destroyed the country.
      And he is paid a state pension ...

      To tell the truth frankly, Mikhal Sergeich began to shake the national question throughout the country and the then gebnya took an active part in this. The schemes have remained the same and to consider what is happening today in isolation from Eboputinism as a whole is, well, at the least stupid.
    4. Cron
      Cron 14 November 2020 17: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: prior
      And he is paid a state pension ...

      Now it was really insulting
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 14 November 2020 19: 02 New
        10
        Quote: Cron
        Quote: prior
        And he is paid a state pension ...

        Now it was really insulting

        Gorbachov's pension from April 1, 2020 is 93 rubles, which, in my opinion, does not cancel his status as a Judas and a criminal.
        1. NKT
          NKT 14 November 2020 19: 58 New
          +5
          In fact, according to the law, his pension is 40 minimum wages.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 14 November 2020 20: 06 New
            +7
            Quote: NKT
            In fact, according to the law, his pension is 40 minimum wages.

            Sergey, hi I understood what you mean. It was the journalists who took the then regional minimum wage in Moscow as a basis for their calculations - 20 195 rubles. When multiplied by 40, it turns out 807 800 rubles.
            But, the Moscow minimum wage has nothing to do with a federal pensioner and cannot have.
    5. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 15 November 2020 10: 15 New
      -2
      Another two and a half thousand lives, including on the conscience of Judas Gorbachev,

      More precisely, it is not the end of Lenin's conscience.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 November 2020 17: 38 New
    +9
    The losses are just terrible ... just defeat ... And most importantly, helplessness ... This is not forgotten. Ironed like the Germans in the 41st.
  4. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 14 November 2020 17: 39 New
    +2
    One fig both sides will underestimate the losses. Anyway.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 14 November 2020 18: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Nasdaq
      One fig both sides will underestimate the losses. Anyway.

      I think Pashinyan, in order to stay in power, will publicize all the losses as it is, in order to justify himself before the people for signing an agreement on the termination of used actions - they say, so many military units died, and if he had not signed, the prospect of destruction loomed another 20 thousand soldiers and the capture of all of Karabakh. Most likely, the figures for the dead, he will try to turn for his own good without burdening himself with reflections on the moral side of the issue, although, as prime minister and commander-in-chief, it is he who bears full responsibility for this defeat.
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 14 November 2020 22: 16 New
        0
        And where is Armenia? Karabakh was at war, not recognized either by Armenia or by anyone else. The Armenians just stood there. The war was fought on the territory of Azerbaijan, and if Armenia recognizes its participation in the hostilities, it means that it is an occupier and it got it right.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 15 November 2020 00: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Cetron
          And where is Armenia? Karabakh fought, not recognized by either Armenia or anyone elseThe Armenians just stood nearby. The war was on the territory of Azerbaijan, and if Armenia recognizes its participation in the hostilities ...

          Well then, ask yourself the following question - Why did Putin and Aliyev sign the ceasefire agreement? with Pashinyan, and not with the president of the unrecognized republic of Karabakh, Arayik Harutyunyan? hi
          1. Cetron
            Cetron 15 November 2020 19: 08 New
            0
            So I'm surprised! Armenia did not fight, but signed an agreement ...
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 15 November 2020 20: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Cetron
              So I'm surprised! Armenia did not fight, but signed an agreement ...

              Do not be surprised. On the big political table, political players have thrown off their cards and trump cards. Pashinyan also thought he was a player, but as it turned out, he was just part of the prize pool. yes The same thing happens with kukraine, which thinks of itself as a player and exists only for the reason that none of the players opened their trump cards and went to vabank.
        2. X-factor
          X-factor 15 November 2020 13: 15 New
          +1
          Lies .... Armenia was at war. Karabakh is a puppet. Where did the unrecognized republic get so much weapons from? Not who does not have to sell weapons, let alone the s-300 and tanks to bandit formations (not recognized republics are legally illegal armed formations). In your words, the countries whose weapons were used in Karabakh by Armenia, they are all war criminals who illegally sold weapons.
      2. Grandfather
        Grandfather 15 November 2020 03: 34 New
        +1
        I think Pashinyan, in order to stay in power, will publicize all the losses as they are,
        with all due respect .. will hide, because it is "nails" in his coffin.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 November 2020 20: 19 New
      +4
      Yes, here and without underestimating the loss of equipment in Armenia, you can not hide it as they are huge in 44 days.
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 17: 51 New
    20
    The Armenians did not give Karabakh dearly.

    As I understand it, all the defenders of Karabakh are mainly servicemen of Nagorno-Karabakh and volunteers, and the regular army of Armenia did not even try to somehow take part in this war.

    Su-30s did not even take off from the airfield.

    Shame on Armenia and its leader Pashinyan !!!

    Pashinyan deliberately gave up Karabakh so that later, without territorial claims with Azerbaijan, one could ask for NATO and the EU.

    Shame you Armenians forever.
    1. figwam
      figwam 14 November 2020 18: 12 New
      +9
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      the regular army of Armenia did not even try to somehow take part in this war.

      Not a single unit of the Armenian army was put forward to help the Armenians of Karabakh.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 14 November 2020 18: 29 New
      10
      Well, what would the Su-30 do? They wouldn't solve the drone problem. For they can only appear there for a limited time and in a certain area. At the same time, the low qualification of pilots without raids is already a problem.

      Plus, Aliyev did not sit exactly on the priest, but bought an air defense system from S-300PMU2 to Buk-MB and also Barak8.

      Su-30s could work only on the effect of surprise for one or two days. Further, the Buki would have been pulled up and the Su-30 would have ended.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 14 November 2020 19: 05 New
        +6
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, what would the Su-30 do? They wouldn't solve the drone problem.

        I agree. It would be like a battle of a well-armored and sword-armed knight with a swarm of wasps.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 14 November 2020 19: 09 New
        +6
        That's right. And when trying to hide in the folds of the relief, MANPADS would speed up the process.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 21: 10 New
        +2
        The Su-30 can use medium-range missiles R-77 (up to 110 km) and R-27 (range 50 km), they would be enough to remove Bayraktary from the sky directly from the airspace of Armenia.

        And the speed and maneuverability of the Su-30 would have made it possible to carry out an anti-missile maneuver if Azerbaijan's air defense missile systems would have fired missiles at them.

        Moreover, it was possible to direct the Su-30 both by ground-based radars from the territory of Armenia, and by a couple of other Su-30s not participating in the attack. The Su-30 radar made it possible to detect and open fire on meteorological balloons with scanty EPR, and they could easily have filled Bayraktar.

        In any case, it was necessary to fight, but as a result, the Su-30 was retained, and Karabakh was lost. So what is the use of these Su-30s then ?!

        Another point is that TORs and BUKs were in service with Armenia, and Armenia practically did not use them either.

        Armenia simply gave up Karabakh, and its defenders were initially doomed.

        Pashinyan betrayed his people and his country.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 November 2020 11: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Armenia simply gave up Karabakh, and its defenders were initially doomed.

          Pashinyan betrayed his people and his country.

          Everything is correct in your assessment of the situation - the Armenians chose shame between shame and defeat, and in the end suffered defeat. Churchill was right, to whom history attributes this idea ...
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 November 2020 18: 34 New
      19
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Pashinyan deliberately gave up Karabakh

      1) Pashinyan - did not come from anywhere. He represents the interests of the leading political force in Armenia, supported by a significant number of the people of Armenia. His deeds are the result of the aspirations of all these people. We can say that, at least, the elite of Armenia made a decision to drain Karabakh to please their new masters. Many here argued that Pashinyan would be torn after defeat. However, he remained in his place. Precisely because he perfectly fulfilled whose will.
      2) They didn't just give up Karabakh. They played the comedy of war in order to "legitimize" the surrender of territories in the minds of most Armenians through the war. For thousands of those killed, this comedy turned into a tragedy. They were deliberately donated. This is a crime against your people.
      3) Russia will still be guilty.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 14 November 2020 19: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Russia will still be guilty.

        If he does not allow himself to be made guilty, then he will not be her.
    4. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 14 November 2020 18: 44 New
      11
      Shame on Armenia and its leader Pashinyan !!! ........ in the bull's-eye .... Armenians, in their stupidity, vilify the Russian Federation that they say about the CSTO she (the Russian Federation) should have helped, but these idiots are not aware that the CSTO is only Armenia, the aizer on the territory of Armenia did not strike, and in no way the unrecognized republic of Nagorno-Karabakh does not participate in the CSTO, the RSC is an Armenian project and it was the Armenians who were supposed to protect NK ... but no ... while the Karabakh people were dying, he was wiping the scaffolds in the states and geurope with his backs ... so don't cry ... the aizer did the right thing ... Aliev warrior and pashinyan jackal
    5. Jager
      Jager 14 November 2020 18: 53 New
      +5
      If NATO wants to, it absolutely does not give a damn about any "territorial claims." If the United States has to accept, they will also accept the penguins of Antarctica.
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 14 November 2020 19: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      As I understand it, all the defenders of Karabakh are mainly servicemen of Nagorno-Karabakh and volunteers, and the regular army of Armenia did not even try to somehow take part in this war.

      There, even those volunteers who arrived from different regions and who were ready to go to Karabakh, after completing the "shot course" (shooting, medical training) were never sent to the b / d zone and sat in the barracks waiting for dispatch, while Yerevan arranged for the broadcast of this show on local television. Pashinyan deliberately poured Karabakh for other goals and objectives, but something went wrong and Russia intervened, obviously spoiling the plans and mood of those who stood behind Pashinyan. It is not for nothing that the mattresses immediately emitted "a bunch of steadfastness" and, accusing the Russian Federation of violating the balance of power, decided to strengthen their presence in Georgia. Prior to that, they did not express any protests or claims about the bloodshed between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, limiting themselves to routine phrases, since what was happening was quite satisfactory for them. Most likely, Nicolo did a little "underworking according to the approved estimate" and if he remains in power, through the controlled "activists", he will begin to stir up discontent among the population about the presence of Russian peacekeepers, blaming them for the "betrayal of an ally" and demanding a replacement for a contingent from the UN, OSCE or some other guise.
    7. minomoto
      minomoto 14 November 2020 19: 40 New
      -4
      These are official figures, in reality, Armenia's losses can be safely multiplied by 5. Independent sources report 30 deaths on both sides.
      1. Past the crocodile
        Past the crocodile 14 November 2020 21: 06 New
        +3
        I don't know what the sources are, but they are wrong. After all, this is 5% of men of military age, despite the fact that the mobilization was only partial.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 14 November 2020 21: 13 New
        +4
        Independent sources report 30 deaths on both sides.


        And what is the basis for the calculation of these "independent sources"? Where did they get their data?
      3. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 14 November 2020 21: 57 New
        +1
        Hardly. The number of 4750 Armenians killed, often mentioned, is already quite a high estimate. For Armenia with 3 million people this is a whole army.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 November 2020 22: 59 New
          +8
          Quote: d4rkmesa
          Hardly. The number of 4750 Armenians killed, often mentioned, is already quite a high estimate. For Armenia with 3 million people this is a whole army.

          That is, if there is a half-million mobilization resource (men of military age), we are talking about 1 percent of losses and call it a tragedy of the Armenian people? The French lost more in a strange war than the Armenians in the last military conflict. I will not cite our losses during the First World War and operations during the Great Patriotic War!
          I feel sorry for the people, but I do not feel sorry for the people who could not defend their "as he considers vital interests." In my observation, both sides were sitting, screeching, pressing buttons on social networks and eating three throats on sofas. But there was no national spirit of the patriotic, last or holy war on the part of the Armenians!
          It is commonplace to wait for Russia to start losing its children, for the interests of Armenia. At the beginning of the conflict, a purebred Armenian was transferred to the unit. When they took him to lunch, on the first day he put forward a blown bubble about his readiness to defend his ancestral homeland. Jokingly, he offered to take a vacation and into battle. Naturally, he began to mumble about mom, dad, nephew. We laughed, but ticked the box.
          However, this concerns the Azerbaijanis, for two weeks he was joking in the markets and in taxis. Only one, an old gray-haired Azerbaijani, answered honestly: “Here I have a wife, grandchildren and granddaughters, a car, an apartment and a tray of tomatoes. If someone comes to Russia for my life, the life of my children and grandchildren and granddaughters, a car, an apartment and a tray, I will be the first to go to the Military Registration and Enlistment Office, and what is happening there is not interesting to me. I'm here". He was the only one, the others said that the boss would take you home, give the tray to your brother, close the shawarmyat and run to the Azerbaijani border. But for tomorrow nothing has changed.
          All with God, good night everyone!
          1. Albay
            Albay 15 November 2020 03: 26 New
            -2
            Kote pani kohane.
            The Azerbaijanis, even if they came, would not have remained a lot. The military enlistment offices were called up strictly according to specialties and according to their own list. Of course, if a volunteer came up on demand, they called a volunteer. It was not like this, I want to volunteer in the army and he would have been taken. About 100 thousand volunteers were recorded 90 percent did not call.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 November 2020 06: 10 New
              +3
              Unlike you all, I know the data on how much, where and from where I tried to go to Armenia and Azerbaijan! The Azerbaijanis even managed to arrange riots in our Dagestan, which is not an honor, praise you.
              This is not done on a visit, especially if not guests, but citizens of Russia, according to their passports.
              I believe that if you are a citizen of Russia, you must live in the interests of Russia! I will be rude and allow in the polemic tomorrow a war with Turkey, which is being fought by a number of Transcaucasian states, including Azerbaijan. I must be sure that my neighbor is in the trench on the right, despite the fact that he is an Azerbaijani by nationality, will not shoot me in the back! This applies to all nationalities who have their own ethnic states.
              God knows it will be this day of judgment, but)
              1. Albay
                Albay 15 November 2020 09: 49 New
                -5
                You cannot know more than me!
                First of all, it doesn't matter to me how much where they tried to go.
                Secondly, read me carefully to Azerbaijan, there was no point in trying to enter Azerbaijan to participate in the Karabakh war from Russia, there would be zero effect.
                Azerbaijanis, citizens of Russia did not even have a chance to go to war, even if they would bang their heads against the wall, since they are not included in the military registration and enlistment offices. As for your trenches and your hypothetical wars with Turkey, these are your worries and fears that do not bother me and interest me a little, although you are right for yourself sure.
                So you either read me inattentively or do not want to read carefully.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 November 2020 10: 12 New
                  +3
                  You tell tales to mountain argali. At least three families from my hometown mourn their sons, sons-in-law and nephews, two Azerbaijani, one Armenian.
                  I am writing about the behavior of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Russia!
                  If you don't hear, goodbye.
                  1. Albay
                    Albay 15 November 2020 18: 04 New
                    -4
                    You tell fairy tales. Learn to think, with this kind of thinking, you can't kill everyone in the trench with your impenetrable stupidity ... but it's certainly not sacks to turn around. I also write about the behavior of Azerbaijanis in Russia, the citizens of Russia did not have the opportunity to participate in the war EVEN IF THEY HAVE ARRIVED WOULD I be in AZERBAIJAN for the third time I am writing this. For someone, if relatives died, then they were called to the service, it is undeniable. Why stupid?

                    If you do not know how to read and understand, then of course goodbye, but you don't have to build a know-it-all out of yourself without understanding what you are reading.
  6. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 14 November 2020 17: 53 New
    +2
    If we have already decided to announce the losses, why nothing has been written about the losses of the Ar * tsakh defense army, I certainly understand that one nation is still.
    1. Alexandr Sharapov
      Alexandr Sharapov 14 November 2020 18: 00 New
      +2
      Read more here: https: //colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
    2. Albay
      Albay 15 November 2020 09: 59 New
      -3
      Because the Artsakh army does not exist.
  7. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 14 November 2020 17: 59 New
    +5
    But, from the point of view of the military, the losses amounted to one full regiment.
    With such losses, they do not capitulate. Yes, Armenia is a small country, but even if you take everything into account, it does not fit. There were tactical failures, but if they give up in this situation, there is a betrayal of the country's top military-political leadership.
    People are very sorry.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 November 2020 18: 23 New
      10
      They have a seam situation. Even according to the latest report, Anna - Stepanokert remained uncovered. The entire southern pocket and half of the army are in operational encirclement. The last straw of Arayik - to stabilize the situation while there were no drones, collapsed and the drones appeared, immediately sawing off the Armenian Thor and the armored group (which Anna was filming). Positions also began to nightmare. In such a situation, the withdrawal of troops from the lines will not work out, for the enemy will begin to hammer from the air and attack.

      In fact, in 2-3 days, Stepanokert would have fallen, units in the Red Bazaar and in the south would have begun to break out of the encirclement. Well, in general, the army collapsed at all levels - a word to the leadership of Artsakh:
      - I tried yesterday to organize an operation with three battalions. We have four howitzers in total. If we are not provided with artillery, how will you provide for the offensive or cut off his (enemy's) tails? Impossible and pointless. Here is the real state of affairs.

      - Today we must finally negotiate with Russia that we are handing over these territories and leaving. Or they help us. Imagine, we have two "grads" for the whole army today, a dozen howitzers on which we have neither shells nor shit.
      Even tomorrow we will be given a hundred "grads", we do not have specialists who can complete the calculations and launch these machines into battle. In the last days, the artillery fights / loses, all are killed by drones, shells, tornadoes and missiles.

      If the hostilities continued at the same pace, we would have lost all of Artsakh in a matter of days. Yesterday in Martuni district, there were large human losses, in the last hours.It seems that we managed to defend against drones for several days, but already in the last two days, the enemy, I don't know how, with the help of new technologies or new drones, again had the opportunity to inflict great damage on our troops... The army is tortured by Covid. We were forced to [make this decision] so that there would be no more losses. All [of the above] says that a temporary or final truce is inevitable. Otherwise, we would have lost all Artsakh in a matter of days. There were no resources to continue the struggle

      The army was on advanced 43 days, and we had no opportunity to change clothes, rest or heal.
      Of course, we fought not only against Azerbaijan, and definitely not only Turkish officers or military equipment were on the battlefield during the hostilities. There was also the participation of Turkish soldiers, terrorists, mercenaries from different countries.
      I bow to our soldiers, the most heroic guys in the world were our recruits. I bow to the families and relatives of all the victims. We had to save the lives of those very recruits.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 14 November 2020 18: 29 New
        +8
        sawing out the Armenian Thor


        An extremely interesting story how an expensive air defense system without any cover rides alone on the roads on its own, then, turning the antenna, tries to hide in a box where Harpy immediately arrives, and then Spike apparently.

        In general, teach the military regulations of the Armenians, do not be idiots. The whole autumn company is imbued with this idea.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 14 November 2020 19: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          In general, teach the military regulations of the Armenians, do not be idiots.

          Until the commander forces you to study the Charter, no one will lift a finger.
          And, Pashinyan was chosen to make sure that no one opened this Charter.
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 November 2020 18: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        They have a seam situation

        It was impossible to foresee otherwise, since the Armed Forces of Armenia, in fact, remained in the barracks, and Karabakh alone against the Azerbaijanis supported by Turks and international terrorists - this is initially a seam.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 November 2020 11: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          and Karabakh alone against the Azerbaijanis, supported by Turks and international terrorists, is from the very beginning.

          And who has prevented the Karabakh Armenians for many years from equipping long-term firing points at least at the main defense centers in this unrecognized republic? Yes, it is expensive, requires time and material costs, but everyone knows that the Armenian diaspora is one of the richest in the world. Even the simplest bunkers with walls one and one and a half meters thick are practically invulnerable to any drone, but why did we not see any such structure that would delay the passage of Azerbaijani columns. I admit that we still do not know everything, but I got the impression that the Armenian cunning played a bad role in the issue of protecting Karabakh, especially since they knew that Azerbaijan would not accept the loss of its regions. In general, as they say, they themselves are to blame, and therefore I have sympathy only for the dead, and not for the citizens of these countries, who did not want to fight for these lands to the end.
      3. Jager
        Jager 14 November 2020 19: 03 New
        +8
        Excuse me, are you worn out by covid? Some stupid excuses. Karabakh has been sitting on a powder keg for 26 years, in fact, clashes there and did not stop all this time. Yes, there was no Armenian army there. And apart from volunteers and equipment, Artsakh received practically no support. One thing is not clear - what have the Armenian "strategists" been doing all these years? This is not a blitzkrieg, the alignment was clear as daylight.
        1. Albay
          Albay 15 November 2020 10: 01 New
          -2
          Because the army of Artsakh is organically a part of the army of Armenia and was staffed by 90 percent of conscripts from Armenia.
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 14 November 2020 22: 06 New
      +1
      These are huge losses for modern warfare. In addition, if we take into account the scale, for example, approximate the approximate figure of 4750 deaths per Russia, it would turn out to be about 250 thousand people. This is a lot, a complete disaster. Actually, the disaster in Karabakh happened.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 November 2020 23: 13 New
        +4
        We are talking about a mobilization resource, so the conversation is about 144 thousand people! Now compare not even with the Stalingrad, but the offensive Berlin operation! 000 sunk losses. The USSR was ready to sacrifice and won.
        That not to be unfounded, let us give an example of the Patriotic War of 1812, for six months of combat and sanitary losses over 50%. We survived, survived, won!
        Maybe the arguments of the members of the forum are correct that the Armenians themselves merged Nagorno-Karabakh! Then it makes sense to whine and look for the guilty. "What a mirror to blame if the face is crooked" (c).
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 15 November 2020 09: 58 New
          0
          The fact of the matter is that for Armenia this war did not become domestic, the participation was a limited contingent. One hundred and fifty thousand for Russia is also a lot, take the same Mukden or the Samson catastrophe, yes, it was not a complete extermination in the boilers, but an exit with great losses, including territorial ones, with great consequences. So for Armenia, Karabakh has become a kind of "Mukden".
  8. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 14 November 2020 18: 12 New
    +6
    Rest in peace!
  9. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 November 2020 18: 13 New
    +2
    If we proceed from Putin's statement that the total losses amounted to 4500 people, then the losses of Azerbaijan - 2200. This is, of course, approximate data, but something does not fit here - the losses during the offensive are always much greater ... at times. Although, of course, this is not a trench war, but still ... Two options, either this is a lie, or Armenia was not ready at all, did not fight and did not want to fight.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 November 2020 19: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      losses on the offensive are always much greater ... at times

      Not always. For example, a defender who is surrounded, going for a breakthrough, immediately turns into an attacker himself. Moreover, his offensive is not prepared and not secured (since it is caused by circumstances, and not by operational plans, plus he, often, is in a disadvantageous position for an attack), which leads to huge losses. As a result, they still talk about the operation as a whole. And the one who surrounded - attacked, and who broke out of the encirclement - defended.
      This is just an example. The attacker / defender loss ratio works on a specific subunit, unit, or sometimes even a formation, subject to comparable military-technical capabilities. But in general, at the BD theater - it does not work so easily.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 14 November 2020 22: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        The attacker / defender loss ratio works on a specific subunit, unit, or sometimes even a formation, subject to comparable military-technical capabilities.

        There are many conditions in this statistic. One of them, whether a breakthrough took place or not, if it did, is the depth of the breakthrough.
        Until the moment of the breakthrough, as a rule, the losses of the attackers are higher; after the breakthrough, the losses of the defenders are higher and the deeper the breakthrough, the greater the ratio of losses in favor of the attackers.
    2. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 17 November 2020 13: 58 New
      0
      or Armenia was not ready at all, did not fight and did not want to fight.

      Everything fits if it is the loss of Karabakh (which was not ready for such a war), and there are practically no Armenian military personnel there ...
  10. dimz
    dimz 14 November 2020 18: 24 New
    +2
    Today the photos were uploaded ... I can not vouch for the accuracy, but they write our visitors filmed. There, corpses are lying in heaps on the side of the road, equipment is beaten with bodies inside. A terrible sight.
    1. Jager
      Jager 14 November 2020 19: 08 New
      +3
      What's the conclusion? The battles became fleeting and saturated with fire weapons of all types. The time for long-term positional battles is long gone. Any major conflict will turn into a terrible meat grinder with the defeat of the entire territory of states.
      Without suppressing the entire air defense system, manned aircraft becomes a target at the range, like tanks without cover. The infantry, on the other hand, has become practically useless stuffing in the absence of heavy weapons.
    2. Albay
      Albay 15 November 2020 10: 02 New
      -2
      On the southern front, the roadside is even worse.
  11. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 14 November 2020 18: 40 New
    10
    This is the tragic result of the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia - several thousand killed and maimed children from both sides!
    But if it were not for the stubbornness of some politicians, such a division of the territory could have been achieved completely bloodlessly.
    How many times have they been asked to sign a contract?
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 14 November 2020 19: 04 New
      +2
      This is not only the stubbornness of politicians - this is history, this is the mentality of peoples ... how long did they fight among themselves? How many more will there be? This can only be stopped by a strong central government (like Russia), and even then as long as this power exists, then it will start again
  12. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 November 2020 19: 13 New
    +5
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    The Armenian side during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh has lost 2 thousand 317 soldiers killed. Press secretary of the Ministry of Health of Armenia Alina Nikoghosyan informed about it.
    In her words, the matter concerns the servicemen of the Armenian Defense Army and volunteers, whose bodies have already passed a medical examination and their identity has been established. It is not yet possible to establish the final death toll, since the exchange of bodies has not yet been completed.

    The losses there are much greater.
    This statement by the press secretary of the Ministry of Health of Armenia was made in response to the statement of the son-in-law of the former President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan, who stated that by 7-8 the number of only reliably confirmed losses, Armenia had about 4750 people, about which the General Staff reported to Pashinyan.
    Such a statement by Skargsian's son-in-law in the current circumstances is inflammatory and fuels protests, so the mothers of the dead soldiers were allowed to go ahead, it is difficult for the police to work in such conditions.

    Regarding losses, many bodies are not even simply removed from the roadway, watch the report of Reuters journalists who were traveling to Stepanakert for our peacekeepers:

    Judging by the Azerbaijani resources, one of the participants in the rout that the Reuters filmed on the road:

    A lump of a special forces soldier draws attention to himself, he could have missed it, but today I saw three different drawings among the Azerbaijanis, not counting the fact that their border guards.

    As can be seen in numerous videos, special forces were at the forefront of the Azeris, followed by contract soldiers, and only then linear units. The losses of the special forces were quite large, before the assault on Shushi, a fresh regiment of mountain special forces was transferred from Nakhichevan. Obviously, such tactics and actions of the UAV helped to reduce losses.
    1. Albay
      Albay 14 November 2020 21: 41 New
      -2
      Special Forces operated there along the entire front, these are several brigades, the most famous of course bordo bereliler such as maroon berets or burgundy. In the video, this mountain special forces apparently one of the mountain brigades of the Air Force. same days.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 15 November 2020 11: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Albay
        Special Forces operated there along the entire front, these are several brigades

        Do you even have any idea what a special forces brigade is to say something like that? Yes, they don't even have heavy weapons in their staff, as well as air defense systems, and you think that they stormed Armenian positions - well, well ...
        1. Albay
          Albay 15 November 2020 18: 12 New
          -3
          Of course, I can imagine and understand that it is difficult for you to imagine. Yes, this feat was performed by the special forces brigades without heavy weapons and they stormed the positions of the Armenians. After the capture of both Hadrut and Shushi, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief congratulated and thanked the commander of the special forces. All operations in the mountains and the storming of cities lay on their shoulders; they covered themselves with glory forever.
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 14 November 2020 22: 21 New
      +1
      And in what way did they transfer the regiment, and even the special forces, and even the mountain one from Nakhichevan? Teleported? Or through Iran?
      1. Albay
        Albay 15 November 2020 03: 31 New
        -1
        Horseman, by plane through Iran, there is a regular flight Baku-Nakhichevan-Baku. In your opinion, how do people fly there and back to their relatives?
  13. Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 14 November 2020 19: 15 New
    +3
    I could be wrong, of course, but 13500 people died during the war in Afghanistan. Afghan lasted 10 years. Here, in less than 2 months, they thrashed almost two and a half thousand. Suggestive.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 November 2020 20: 24 New
      +4
      Most likely, the Armenians have the most losses - and hello modern war.
  14. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 14 November 2020 20: 00 New
    +7
    The official statements of the Armenians can be safely multiplied by half, a little less among the Azerbaijanis, in total for a month and a half of fighting, about 8000-10000 died in general, which indicates stubbornness in matters of the strategy of the military leaders of the opposing sides, the low training of officers in the platoon-company-battalion link or their analogues , neglect of soldiers' lives, and the losses are mainly due to the military, and not the civilian population, I was especially surprised by the tactics of the actions of the Armenians in this war, complete carelessness and unprofessionalism, which was generously paid for by the lives of their soldiers and officers, unfortunately
  15. Past the crocodile
    Past the crocodile 14 November 2020 20: 45 New
    +2
    I would like it to be the last conflict between them, but unfortunately the spirit of revenge is ineradicable on both sides. Today I spoke to an acquaintance, two twin relatives, young guys, died.
  16. Konnick
    Konnick 14 November 2020 22: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    the regular army of Armenia did not even try to somehow take part in this war.

    Not a single unit of the Armenian army was put forward to help the Armenians of Karabakh.


    And the footage of the defeated columns and the corpses in the Lachin corridor do not confirm the participation of the Armenian army or are these Armenian deserters from Karabakh ...
    1. Albay
      Albay 15 November 2020 03: 36 New
      -2
      There is no horseman of the NKR army, 90 percent are manned by conscripts from Armenia. Even Pashinyan's son served in Karabakh. Those who don’t know the true state of affairs are divided into two armies. Logically arguing even if a population of 60 thousand people can have a 40 thousand army?
  17. Graz
    Graz 14 November 2020 22: 19 New
    +1
    the Armenians most likely have losses in manpower killed in the region of 5000 people, among the Azeris and their allies I think less than 1000 people were killed
  18. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 November 2020 22: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Albay
    Special Forces operated there along the entire front, these are several brigades, the most famous of course bordo bereliler such as maroon berets or burgundy. In the video, this mountain special forces apparently one of the mountain brigades of the Air Force. same days.

    Their brigade is our regiment. Here you are "NATO standards" ... hi
    Bordeaux, in short, red berets, this is the Turkish special forces, he participated in the training of the Azerbaijani special forces.
    1. Albay
      Albay 15 November 2020 03: 43 New
      0
      Greetings Azimut! Of course, I participated in the training of the Turkish special forces. You do not know, apparently, but the Azerbaijani army is a mini Turkish army. All officers studied at Turkish schools and academies took courses. All military schools in Azerbaijan itself have been preparing officers for a long time according to the Turkish program. Pilots annually take training courses. fly in f-16. The personnel of the special forces brigades are trained according to Turkish standards. It is no secret. Red berets are army special forces, as in Turkey they are considered the most prepared.
  19. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 November 2020 23: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Konnick
    And in what way did they transfer the regiment, and even the special forces, and even the mountain one from Nakhichevan? Teleported? Or through Iran?

    Ordinary passenger scheduled plane. The planes fly from Nakhichevan, a corridor through Iran.

    In the video, the commander of the Nakhichevan special forces is holding white sneakers in his hands.
  20. Azimuth
    Azimuth 14 November 2020 23: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    The official statements of the Armenians can be safely multiplied by half, a little less among the Azerbaijanis, in total for a month and a half of fighting, about 8000-10000 died in general, which indicates stubbornness in matters of the strategy of the military leaders of the opposing sides, the low training of officers in the platoon-company-battalion link or their analogues , neglect of soldiers' lives, and the losses are mainly due to the military, and not the civilian population, I was especially surprised by the tactics of the actions of the Armenians in this war, complete carelessness and unprofessionalism, which was generously paid for by the lives of their soldiers and officers, unfortunately

    Quote: Graz
    the Armenians most likely have losses in manpower killed in the region of 5000 people, among the Azeris and their allies I think less than 1000 people were killed

    There are no numbers of losses higher than 5000 for the Armenians, not at all, this is physically impossible in practice and would mean a complete defeat. And the Azerbaijanis have any losses higher than the Armenian ones, just drones and special forces, allowed to reduce the ratio of losses from 1/3 and 1/5, to 1 / 1,2 - 1 / 1,5.
    If it were not for the UAV and special forces, the losses of Azerbaijanis would have amounted to about 10000, and this is at least taking into account the mountains of 5000 Armenians.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 November 2020 01: 11 New
      +2
      There are no numbers of losses higher than 5000 for the Armenians, no way, this is physically impossible in practice and would mean a complete defeat - For the Armenians there is just a complete defeat where you can not spit and rather the loss of 5000 killed is quite consistent indeed, given how the art and the UAV worked live strength of dugouts and trenches.
    2. Albay
      Albay 15 November 2020 10: 07 New
      -2
      It was a complete rout. Who signs the surrender without rout?
  21. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    There is a video of the DRG that this squad was destroyed.


    The video itself of the destroyed squad. The same UAZ and cash-in-transit car.

    He says: They took Shusha. Then he adds: 35 of us, and 103 people were put, points to the corpses of Armenians. Now we are moving to Khankendi.
  22. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    The Su-30 can use medium-range missiles R-77 (up to 110 km) and R-27 (range 50 km), they would be enough to remove Bayraktary from the sky directly from the airspace of Armenia.

    And the speed and maneuverability of the Su-30 would have made it possible to carry out an anti-missile maneuver if Azerbaijan's air defense missile systems would have fired missiles at them.

    Moreover, it was possible to direct the Su-30 both by ground-based radars from the territory of Armenia, and by a couple of other Su-30s not participating in the attack. The Su-30 radar made it possible to detect and open fire on meteorological balloons with scanty EPR, and they could easily have filled Bayraktar.

    In any case, it was necessary to fight, but as a result, the Su-30 was retained, and Karabakh was lost. So what is the use of these Su-30s then ?!

    Another point is that TORs and BUKs were in service with Armenia, and Armenia practically did not use them either.

    Armenia simply gave up Karabakh, and its defenders were initially doomed.

    Pashinyan betrayed his people and his country.

    He saved the Armenian army from complete destruction.
  23. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Konnick
    And in what way did they transfer the regiment, and even the special forces, and even the mountain one from Nakhichevan? Teleported? Or through Iran?

    Almost every day, planes fly from Nakhichevan to Baku, not counting military transport.
  24. Karpo
    Karpo 15 November 2020 08: 08 New
    -1
    The Armenian side during the military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh has lost 2 thousand 317 soldiers killed.

    Well, here you can safely multiply by two .. And the storming ones by three and you can't go wrong ..
    15 thousand exactly put on both sides!
  25. iouris
    iouris 15 November 2020 10: 15 New
    +1
    Multiplying by Pi ...
  26. Note
    Note 15 November 2020 13: 34 New
    -1
    Someday these numbers will be announced. Armenia - irrecoverable losses: ~ 4900 Azerbaijan irrecoverable losses: ~ 6800 I think it will be no earlier than 2022.
    1. Note
      Note 15 November 2020 13: 36 New
      0
      The numbers are very accurate, up to tens. Where do not ask.
      1. Note
        Note 15 November 2020 13: 39 New
        0
        Without civilians, of course
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 15 November 2020 21: 52 New
          0
          Both sides have no civil secrets.
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 15 November 2020 21: 56 New
      0
      By your logic or infe, the loss of the sides is 1 / 1.4 ... For the Azerbaijani army advancing in the mountains, this is also not bad, I figured 1 / 1.3, but for the Armenian army defending in advantageous positions, it seems to be a diagnosis, not a sentence, but accurate diagnosis.