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Pashinyan: If you break the agreement, 30 thousand of our soldiers will be in blockade

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Pashinyan: If you break the agreement, 30 thousand of our soldiers will be in blockade

Photo: Ministry of Defense of Armenia



It became known that a curfew was imposed on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, which fell under the control of Azerbaijan. In particular, a special regime has been introduced in Hadrut and Shusha. It is added that the official Baku in the areas that are now controlled by the Azerbaijani authorities will start working temporary commandant's offices.

Meanwhile, the current Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan made another appeal in Armenia. He commented on the agreement on peace and transfer of Karabakh territories signed with the mediation of Baku.

According to Pashinyan, it is important to understand that this agreement was signed in order to end the war.

Prime Minister of Armenia:

This is not at all a document on a political settlement. This is a cessation of hostilities document.

Pashinyan noted that the opposition's speeches look strange today. According to him, the demands of the Armenian opposition are strange in the first place. Nikol Pashinyan:

It is the same as if the opposition demanded in advance to discuss military failures at the front, attacks or retreat of troops.

According to Pashinyan, the main diplomatic discussions should only begin, and they will last for a very long time.

Pashinyan:

Of course, you can take a paper with a contract, tear it up, throw it away, but you need to imagine the consequences. This will mean that we will return to the situation in which the document was signed.

According to the Armenian Prime Minister, if the agreement is broken, 30 thousand of our soldiers will find themselves in a blockade.

Pashinyan added that one should not discuss the Artsakh issue in an emotional state.
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Ministry of Defense of Armenia
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  1. tarakan
    tarakan 13 November 2020 23: 55 New
    +2
    Didn't understand the photo, are they prisoners of war? On the table there is bread, salt and one bottle of water (litter 2 bottles)
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 14 November 2020 01: 41 New
      -23 qualifying.
      It is unlikely that the prisoners, the parties especially did not take anyone prisoner. Looked at the photos of Russian peacekeepers. When guys are sent in this form, with ancient machine guns, Soviet pouches, in my opinion, it does not represent the country very well. The equipment should be modern, the fighters should be in new uniforms, hung with everything from first aid kits and walkie-talkies to modern riflemen. The people themselves must be well fed, physically strong and trained in military affairs with the pedantry of the Roman legionaries. And here ... As if nothing has changed since the 2008 operation.


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      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 14 November 2020 02: 29 New
        26
        in the pictures of the transfer there was not a single BMP. one armored personnel carrier. where are these photos from? on all photos on all pages they have everything modern from walkie-talkies to, as you put it, shooters. video a bunch of photos a bunch. there is no BMP anywhere even you crack.
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 14 November 2020 08: 06 New
          -1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          in the pictures of the transfer there was not a single BMP.

          These photos are taken from the reportage by Ilya Pitalev of the RIA Novosti agency
          http://visualrian.ru/story/list_208752309/6385383.html
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 14 November 2020 08: 20 New
            +7
            I don't know what he was shooting there and where he got these photos from, but this is not the 15th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade. it can be from 102 bases. and I don't see any other options
            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 14 November 2020 08: 24 New
              +6
              Quote: carstorm 11
              and judging by the form it is a 14 year somewhere.

              In the RIA Novosti photo bank, these photos are listed as received on 13.11.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              But everything is possible with zhurnalyug Even a photo of the Nazis in a report about the heroism of Soviet soldiers in the Second World War! hi
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 14 November 2020 08: 30 New
                +8
                who would have doubted) again took what came first.
            2. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 14 November 2020 08: 32 New
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              it can be from 102 bases

              I, too, have such an opinion. yes
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 14 November 2020 09: 09 New
                -1
                that ours are muddying up there along the way) why did they bring them there) reinforcement for what was needed ...
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 14 November 2020 11: 27 New
                  +5
                  According to the Armenian Prime Minister, if the agreement is broken, 30 thousand of our soldiers will find themselves in a blockade.
                  That is how it is, but WHO organized this "shameful agreement", and this encirclement, and this war? Whose cocky militant "very wise" policies led to all this? Oh, Pashinyan? I really want to hear honest answer, not excuses! And where are you hiding, hiding?
                  1. Cottager452
                    Cottager452 14 November 2020 12: 40 New
                    +1
                    Why are you interested in?
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 14 November 2020 16: 56 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Summer Resident452
                      Why are you interested in?

                      Yes, to the Armenians to tell ... lol
                  2. a.hamster55
                    a.hamster55 14 November 2020 16: 59 New
                    +1
                    Duc all wars from politicians! Dig nadot there. And we saporgi know what it smells like.
            3. Hypertension
              Hypertension 14 November 2020 14: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: carstorm 11
              it can be from 102 bases

              Probably. But shouldn't a base outside the territory of the Russian Federation be exemplary? In terms of technique, equipment and appearance? This is a kind of "showcase" of the Russian Armed Forces ...
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 14 November 2020 09: 52 New
          10
          102 base. Forward deployment is provided by mechgroup 102 of the base. It was on the cover of one of such columns, even before the conclusion of agreements, that the Mi-24 was lost.



          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 14 November 2020 10: 06 New
            +8
            Yes, this explains everything except one-WHEN JOURNALISTS ALREADY BEGIN TO THINK AND THEN WRITE?))))
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 14 November 2020 10: 09 New
              +2
              Why? This is a miscalculation of just MO in terms of the PR component. All journalists, including AFP / Reuters, BBC and others, will film everything in the first week and then leave. The fact that warriors will later bring in, an AK12 in a body kit, envy NATO, Typhoons and so on - no one will notice. Because the journalists are already leaving. And all the photos will relate specifically to the first period, with wooden old-fashioned AK and one unloading for three.

              Consequently, it was necessary to create the necessary saturation of advanced weapons (even infantry) in advance, already in the first wave. This was not done.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 14 November 2020 10: 17 New
                +2
                everything was thinking very quickly. not to mushrooms. otherwise the advance detachment of 15 would have had time to transfer and not drive the equipment that is not in the agreement. the VP battalion is still with them. it does not take a lot of time to transfer them. I think ours just wanted to present the Turks with a fact
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 14 November 2020 14: 22 New
                +2
                Why? This is a miscalculation of just MO in terms of the PR component

                Ai would be something to worry about. In this operation, and so from the point of view of PR, Russia is so far all right. What really worries is that the forward military base in Armenia is armed with outdated equipment, just like the bases in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. And they are clearly not the first in line for rearmament.
      4. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 14 November 2020 02: 46 New
        -1
        We also use ancient armored personnel carriers in Syria.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 14 November 2020 14: 23 New
          +2
          We also use ancient armored personnel carriers in Syria.

          Well, as if the BTR-82a is the most modern thing there is. In my opinion, the military police also use the BTR-80.
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 14 November 2020 16: 56 New
            +1
            Duc and Senka hat, but 80 is much better than on the UAZ. Nice apparatus. Sponravilsy to me.
      5. Moskovit
        Moskovit 14 November 2020 02: 56 New
        +7
        Each soldier of the brigade has on himself

        a set of combat equipment "Warrior". It contains the most advanced technological "bells and whistles" - an impenetrable helmet with a monitor, a powerful body armor, a reconnaissance and communications complex, the latest AK-12 assault rifle.

        The suit consists of 5 subsystems: life support, command and communication, attraction, protection and energy saving. According to UN instructions, the brigade's motorized rifle units are armed only with light small arms, armored personnel carriers and wheeled vehicles.

        Three years ago, the brigade began to switch to BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles and BTR-MDM "Shell" armored personnel carriers. The BMD-4M is armed with a Bakhcha-U combat module with a 100-mm cannon, a 2A70 launcher and a 30A2 72-mm automatic cannon. Also, a PKT-M machine gun is installed on the machine.

        Kommersant writes this. There are no infantry fighting vehicles in the photo of the columns. So your photo is not from Armenia.
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 14 November 2020 08: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Moskovit
          There are no infantry fighting vehicles in the photo of the columns. So your photo is not from Armenia.

          Why is it so categorical? Watch the report: https://ria.ru/20201113/karabakh-1584525170.html
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 14 November 2020 09: 17 New
            +4
            So they quickly drove from base 102. Because from Ulyanovsk they flew out exactly in the form that Aristarkh Ludwigovich wanted - beautiful, slender, in modern outfit.
          2. -Dmitry-
            -Dmitry- 14 November 2020 14: 01 New
            +1
            By agreement, the peacekeepers cannot have any BMPs. Tigers, Typhoons, yes, but not BMPs. This is clearly from the 102 base.
        2. venik
          venik 14 November 2020 10: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Moskovit
          Three years ago, the brigade began to switch to BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles and armored personnel carriers BTR-MDM "Shell" ...... This is reported by Kommersant.

          =========
          It's strange ..... BMD-4M and BTR-MDM "Shell" are weapons airborne troops! And in Karabakh, parts of the 15th Separate motorized rifle brigades! MOTORROOM, Hans! According to the state, they have OTHER equipment!
          Although, on the other hand ... "Kommersant" - it is merchant...... What nonsense is not written there!
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 14 November 2020 14: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: venik
            According to the state, they have OTHER equipment!

            In principle, yes, but this brigade is special, peacekeeping. One of a kind. More mobile and "easy to lift". Therefore, their equipment is more mobile than that of ordinary motorized riflemen.
            1. venik
              venik 14 November 2020 14: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Hyperion
              In principle, yes, but this brigade is special, peacekeeping. One of a kind. More mobile and "easy to lift". Therefore, their equipment is more mobile than that of ordinary motorized riflemen.

              =========
              I guess, yes! Anything can be ...... Although why are they manifested parachute-landing BMD-4, when for motorized riflemen there is a BMP-3 with an airborne compartment for 8 persons (instead of 5 persons for BMD)? Completely incomprehensible .....
              In addition, such a "primary source as Kommersant", which has been repeatedly caught in publications absolutely unverified rumors!
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 14 November 2020 14: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: venik
                Although why are they parachute-landing BMD-4, when there is BMP-3 for motorized riflemen?

                Well, firstly: lighter by several tons; secondly: an attempt to "elitize" the brigade is possible, they say "like a landing party"; thirdly: maybe the journalists got it wrong, they will become ...
                Here's a sample of "creativity":
                "a set of combat equipment "Warrior". It contains the most advanced technological "bells and whistles" - impenetrable helmet with a monitor, powerful body armor, intelligence and communications complex, the latest AK-12 assault rifle."
      6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 14 November 2020 07: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        When guys are sent in this form, with ancient machine guns, Soviet pouches, in my opinion, it does not represent the country very well.

        Can you confirm that the images you submitted are photos of Russian peacekeepers from Karabakh in November 2020?
      7. Grits
        Grits 14 November 2020 16: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        When guys are sent in this form, with ancient machine guns, Soviet pouches, in my opinion, it does not represent the country very well.

        Something you slipped the wrong photos. there are no BMPs.
      8. businessv
        businessv 14 November 2020 19: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        As if nothing has changed since the 2008 operation.
        Have you seen at least one part of the 2008 operation? Did you see who is participating there? Do you understand what the military task was? First, watch TV, pay attention to the uniforms and weapons of our guys today, then you will form an opinion and, accordingly, post it! Don't put in a photo of ten years ago!
      9. vVvAD
        vVvAD 14 November 2020 23: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        When guys are sent in this form, with ancient machine guns, Soviet pouches

        Everything is explained simply (and there is confirmation of this in the form of the beginning of the deployment of peacekeepers before the official announcement of the signing of the agreement): it was agreed in advance about their introduction with Aliyev, as soon as he fulfills the goals previously agreed upon and approved by the Russian side. Those. no one will open fire, they serve as a military presence, the so-called "demonstration of the flag", no more. Yes, and there is not much to show off in front of anyone, unlike the case with the Crimea, where it was necessary to amaze and frighten both Ukraine and the whole West with surprise, skills and technologies, and at the same time create a modern and fortified base, a Black Sea "unsinkable aircraft carrier".
    2. Timofey Charuta
      Timofey Charuta 14 November 2020 02: 18 New
      0
      Actually, I counted THREE bottles there - an incomprehensible photo. The lads are sitting, as if caught - it is uninformative ...
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 14 November 2020 07: 15 New
      +2
      And where was he before, when the armies of the Armenians "triumphantly attacked back", and the man in the street was told the mantra "we win, the enemy runs" ??? ...
    4. halpat
      halpat 14 November 2020 10: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: tarakan
      Didn't understand the photo, are they prisoners of war? On the table there is bread, salt and one bottle of water (litter 2 bottles)

      It sounds like instructing road construction workers before going to work somewhere in the suburbs.
  2. businessv
    businessv 14 November 2020 00: 06 New
    12
    If not for the agreement, the NKR, sooner or later, would have come under the full control of Azerbaijan. This is a fact that only a very narrow-minded person will dispute. The general reaction of Armenians and their mood is understandable, but the pogroms and rallies in this situation are sheer stupidity. The main thing is that there is no more fighting, which means that many children will not lose their fathers!
    1. denis obuckov
      denis obuckov 14 November 2020 00: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: businessv
      If not for the agreement, the NKR, sooner or later, would have come under the full control of Azerbaijan. This is a fact that only a very narrow-minded person will dispute. The general reaction of Armenians and their mood is understandable, but the pogroms and rallies in this situation are sheer stupidity. The main thing is that there is no more fighting, which means that many children will not lose their fathers!


      Another proof that without the Russian people and their gracious intercession, this territory on the map is not capable of anything.
      1. businessv
        businessv 14 November 2020 20: 06 New
        0
        Quote: denis obuckov
        without the Russian people and their gracious intercession

        Colleague, do not humiliate your allies with expressions like "merciful intercession", this is very incorrect!
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 November 2020 00: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: businessv
      If not for the agreement, the NKR, sooner or later, would have passed under the full control of Azerbaijan. This is a fact to be disputed only a very narrow-minded person.

      But S. Kurginyan disagrees with you! Recently I read the message: on November 10 in the TV show "Evening with V. Solovyov" S. Kurginyan said that Shusha was surrendered by traitors in the military command of the Armenians! According to him: a small detachment of Azerbaijani special forces entered Shusha ... He was driven out of Shushi and the Armenians were preparing to finish him off with the help of tanks ... But then, unexpectedly for the defenders of Shushi, an order was received to retreat from Shushi! This is how the Azeris "captured" Shushi ... By the way, when I read the enthusiastic cries of the citizens of Azerbaijan that "Azerbaijani heroes, having only light weapons, knocked out Armenians armed" to the teeth "with armored vehicles in a night knife fight!" . I wondered! How the special forces without heavy weapons ... comparatively few ... were able to take Shusha; and the Armenians, having heavy weapons, could not hold Shusha! ? Was S. Kurginyan reliable or not ... but, in any case, his words clarify a lot!
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 00: 47 New
        +7
        I watch photos and videos of the road to Shusha. The roadsides are littered with the corpses of Armenian soldiers.
        Yes, there were no battles. There was a massacre. The Armenian command trapped the reserves. There is no heavy equipment left. What appeared on the network then appeared on the video from the UAV.
        What the Armenian military and political command has done is a crime. Investigation and trial are needed. It is necessary to return the old criminal law, where the death penalty was.
        1. denis obuckov
          denis obuckov 14 November 2020 01: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          I watch photos and videos of the road to Shusha. The roadsides are littered with the corpses of Armenian soldiers.
          Yes, there were no battles. There was a massacre. The Armenian command trapped the reserves. There is no heavy equipment left. What appeared on the network then appeared on the video from the UAV.
          What the Armenian military and political command has done is a crime. Investigation and trial are needed. It is necessary to return the old criminal law, where the death penalty was.


          This was the first unsuccessful attempt to recapture Shushi.
          There is a video where there are also many dead Azerbaijani soldiers at the side of the road, this does not mean anything this war.
      2. denis obuckov
        denis obuckov 14 November 2020 01: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Quote: businessv
        If not for the agreement, the NKR, sooner or later, would have passed under the full control of Azerbaijan. This is a fact to be disputed only a very narrow-minded person.

        But S. Kurginyan disagrees with you! Recently I read the message: on November 10 in the TV show "Evening with V. Solovyov" S. Kurginyan said that Shusha was surrendered by traitors in the military command of the Armenians! According to him: a small detachment of Azerbaijani special forces entered Shusha ... He was driven out of Shushi and the Armenians were preparing to finish him off with the help of tanks ... But then, unexpectedly for the defenders of Shushi, an order was received to retreat from Shushi! This is how the Azeris "captured" Shushi ... By the way, when I read the enthusiastic cries of the citizens of Azerbaijan that "Azerbaijani heroes, having only light weapons, knocked out Armenians armed" to the teeth "with armored vehicles in a night knife fight!" . I wondered! How the special forces without heavy weapons ... comparatively few ... were able to take Shusha; and the Armenians, having heavy weapons, could not hold Shusha! ? Was S. Kurginyan reliable or not ... but, in any case, his words clarify a lot!


        It wasn't like that at all.
        The first assault on the city by the Azerbaijani infantry was extremely unsuccessful. Then, the second column of Azerbaijanis was covered by an attack by the RZSO. With some effort and help from Armenia, the Azerbaijani group that had broken through to the city could be destroyed. Nevertheless, a decision was suddenly made to leave the city without a fight and not to make attempts to liberate it with a favorable operational-tactical situation still remaining for XNUMX hours.

        It is believed that the decision to abandon Shushi was made by the NKR President Arayik Harutyunyan and the NKR Security Council Secretary General Samvel Babayan, a local legend. Now, in protest against the signing of the armistice, he left his post and renounced the title of Hero of Artsakh. The Armenian YouTube channel Lurer (Novosti) published a recording of the negotiations between Babayan and Harutyunyan, from which it follows that General Babayan really assessed the possibility of recapturing Shusha even after she was abandoned, but painted the future prospects of resistance very gloomily.

        Fragment of conversation (not literal translation): “Let's calculate the (combat) mission. We cover Shushi with twenty, thirty volleys of "Smerch". We kill everyone there. We take the city back. What's next? The state of the army and civilian population does not allow waging war. They fought, took Shushi, then what? We cannot fight with the NATO army, with the mercenaries, fully equipped ... Yesterday I tried to organize an operation with three battalions. We have four howitzers in total. If we are not provided with artillery, how are you going to support the offensive or cut off its tails? Today we must finally negotiate with Russia that we are handing over these territories and leaving. Or they help us.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 November 2020 03: 32 New
          +3
          Yes, there was no infantry there - there were specialists. One unit took the prison and the fortress, the other climbed the "inaccessible rocks" - special forces with appropriate training. The first attempt to repulse Shushi was ruined by the Armenians, the second ended in partial success, but the Azerbaijanis managed to bring in reinforcements and squeeze them out. The last attempt to take Shushi - Anna News has a video. Tanks and armored vehicles (collector laughing ) were damaged and retreated.
          A column of Azerbaijanis - leaked from the side of Lachin - they were covered with art.
      3. Vincent
        Vincent 14 November 2020 07: 10 New
        11
        New Armenian slogan: "We were betrayed by the Russian invaders!"
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 14 November 2020 09: 03 New
          +3
          Morons always exist and provocateurs have not been canceled.
          The Russian Federation continues to do what it considers necessary.
      4. businessv
        businessv 14 November 2020 19: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        But S. Kurginyan disagrees with you!

        I will not even comment on your post, colleague! Where is Kurginyan and where is Shusha ?!
  3. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 14 November 2020 00: 08 New
    17
    If anyone remembers, then Pashinyan came to power in the form of a sort of Che Guevara - a bearded warrior in a camouflage suit. When Armenia needed the military qualities of the leader of the nation, for some reason, Pashinyan did not have a military image. The image-maker didn't come? The Armenians bought the chimera, now let them eat the consequences of this.
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 14 November 2020 02: 58 New
      +3
      To me he reminded me rather of the bearded Turkish barmaley from Syria than a sane person.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 November 2020 03: 37 New
      10
      Quote: denis obuckov
      If anyone remembers, then Pashinyan came to power in the form of a sort of Che Guevara - a bearded warrior in a camouflage suit. When Armenia needed the military qualities of the leader of the nation, for some reason, Pashinyan did not have a military image. The image-maker didn't come? The Armenians bought the chimera, now let them eat the consequences of this.

      This is the image of one of the leaders of Asala - they acted from Lebanon, killed Turkish diplomats. They fought in 1982 against the IDF on the side of the Palestinians - they were poured out of Beirut in 1983 after Arafat's people. Their leader became the hero of the Karabakh war - Monte Avo Melkonyan. Bearded and wearing a cap. Pashinyan canal for him
  4. Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 14 November 2020 00: 11 New
    +4
    Again, pocket propagandists will cover Pashinyan. I already wrote that soon the propagandists will be more important than the generals.
    Now he will exhibit everything in such a way to convince everyone of the absolute correctness of all his actions. The above photo is an example of this. Like a complete ass, there is nothing to eat, but he is the savior of the nation.
    He is not going to leave the campaign, he thinks to continue to powder everyone's brains.
  5. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 14 November 2020 00: 22 New
    11
    It is interesting that Pashinyan, who came to power under the slogan of a change in power, is now in no hurry to resign at the demand of the people.
  6. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 14 November 2020 00: 23 New
    +5
    ***

    They will leave Kars, where by the river is my old home, my dear home.

    Leaving Kars, - its gardens, azure sky, sadness of fathers ...

    ---

    Թողած Կարսում, գետի ափին, տունս ՝ շինված անտաշ քարով,

    Կարսը թողած, Կարսի այգին ու հայրենի երկինքը ...

    ---

    ***
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 14 November 2020 09: 07 New
      +4
      For modern "advanced" Armenians, things are somewhat different.

      Loot, where's my loot.
      I fly to you to the ends of the earth.
      Let the house burn
      I do not care.
      And only loot is cute.

      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***

      They will leave Kars, where by the river is my old home, my dear home.

      Leaving Kars, - its gardens, azure sky, sadness of fathers ...

      ---

      Թողած Կարսում, գետի ափին, տունս ՝ շինված անտաշ քարով,

      Կարսը թողած, Կարսի այգին ու հայրենի երկինքը ...

      ---

      ***
  7. t-12
    t-12 14 November 2020 00: 25 New
    12
    if the agreement is broken, 30 thousands our soldiers will be blockaded.

    Where do so many troops come from? And why, given the presence of such an army, Shusha was defended by a couple of hundred local militias?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 14 November 2020 00: 35 New
      14
      Azerbaijanis kept them in their positions by "harassing actions" along the line of contact, as well as by attacking from the south on Martuni. In parallel, they attacked Lachin, a city on the "road of life" between Armenia and NKR. Thus, the Ar "tsakh AO had minuscule strength left to defend Shushi and Stepanakert. The Armenians were not only crushed by their numerical and technological advantage, they were also divorced. The initiative was always with Baku, Yerevan only reacted to new threats, and rather stupidly.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 14 November 2020 00: 40 New
        +2
        Now it is not necessary to break the agreement, but to observe it (approximately as the Ukrainians observed the Minsk agreements) and to train the army ...
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 14 November 2020 00: 50 New
        +5
        The Turkish-Azerbaijani command acted splendidly. War experience is felt. In the near future, a lot of information will emerge. The second shock awaits Armenians.
      3. t-12
        t-12 14 November 2020 00: 52 New
        +5
        I do not understand how 30 thousand people would fit in the south of Martuni and why such a crowd is needed there. But the Armenian generals know better.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 14 November 2020 02: 02 New
          +8
          There is not only Martuni - the Red Bazaar and this whole line of contact from the south (left behind by the Armenians) to its center - with the fall of Stepanakert they would have been surrounded, they would have been easily finished off, then they would have taken up the northern grouping and finita.
    2. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 14 November 2020 01: 11 New
      +5
      Where do so many troops come from? And why, in the presence of such an army, Shusha was defended by a couple of hundred local militias

      Do not look for the truth in official statements, it is not there.
      When it is profitable to say that there are no troops, they say that there are no people at all, there are no reserves either. When it is profitable to say that many soldiers were saved, they say that there 30.000 in the trenches were on the verge of encirclement.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 14 November 2020 09: 58 New
        +3
        After the agreement, Arayik said that they actively rotated the guys. Pulling out all that is possible from the calm areas, up to the platoon level. Also, all militias / recruits were generally sent to quiet areas without real training. With the expectation, while there they calmly teach them at least something.

        Therefore, probably, those 30, there were mostly a poorly trained mass, which held the front and discouraged Azerbaijanis from seriously attacking. If they were thrown into a meat grinder, they would not give much sense. They just died.
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 14 November 2020 03: 00 New
      +2
      I also thought, even if a thousand people would defend to take it would be a huge problem, this RPG and ATGM and sniper pairs, the attackers, will be washed in blood.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 14 November 2020 03: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: Incvizitor
        I also thought, even if a thousand people would defend to take it would be a huge problem, this RPG and ATGM and sniper pairs, the attackers, will be washed in blood.

        Specialists took it - first of all
        Secondly - by November 7, in my opinion, the weather was good - the UAVs were already working
        Protected, for the most part, the militias - this is the third
        There were very short distances - what kind of ATGM and RPG and snipers?
        During the counteroffensive (trying to take Shushi away) the Armenians even worked with artillery and tanks in the prison and the fortress - it didn't help - watch the Anna News video from the scene
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 14 November 2020 23: 29 New
          0
          With RPGs from the windows from the roofs, you can shoot equipment from above, easy to demolish, ATGM and a sniper of the streets to strengthen, I remember one "spetsura" in Somalia fought with the whole city, something was not very much, and there were Papuans if the prepared units were in Shushi, then the more spetsur send to the meat grinder.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 14 November 2020 23: 46 New
            0
            1) Can
            2) And snipers with ATGM are also Varik
            3) You confuse the seizure of a village of 5000 residents by specialists, guarded by militias and conscripts, with the escorting of an object / island by a military convoy in a two-million metropolis that was neutral at the time of the start of the operation, and the task assigned to the special forces was completed, the loss ratio was 1: 10-20 ...
  8. rubin6286
    rubin6286 14 November 2020 00: 48 New
    +1
    Pashinyan is now "playing for time" and is trying to stay in power at all costs. He hopes to find support and protection from the United States. Now the States are not satisfied with him, but after the election they have a new president. He will do just that - he will break up the trilateral agreement on Karabakh under any pretext, hostilities will flare up again, but Russian blood will be shed there. Already today, the military formations of Nagorno-Karabakh have refused to carry out the orders of the Armenian command and do not leave their positions. Who will "squeeze" them out to Armenia? Azerbaijan "kindly" provided this to Russia .... I am not thrilled that Russia intervened in the conflict and stopped the hostilities. Everything is still ahead ...
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 14 November 2020 07: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: rubin6286
      he will do just that - he will tear up the trilateral agreement on Karabakh under any pretext

      It is no longer possible to break the agreement. Now it can only be violated - to which the corresponding reaction of the peacekeeping contingent will follow. In this case, the whole of Armenia is guaranteed to become anti-Russian - and the United States is very interested in this. So there will definitely be provocations, and from the Armenian side.
  9. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 14 November 2020 01: 19 New
    +1
    It is justified, it would be more honest to announce new elections, maybe not immediately, but in a month or two. To resolve the situation to leave.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 November 2020 08: 21 New
    +3
    It’s impossible to keep up with the multithreaded Armenian consciousness. Set up a table with the military commissar at the meeting and announce an enrollment in the shock battalions. Promise that in the forefront they will go to release. This is where all patriotism will end, not a single person will come to the third rally.
    1. Grits
      Grits 14 November 2020 16: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      It’s impossible to keep up with the multithreaded Armenian consciousness. Set up a table with the military commissar at the meeting and announce an enrollment in the shock battalions. Promise that in the forefront they will go to release. This is where all patriotism will end, not a single person will come to the third rally.

      Cool idea
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 17: 04 New
      -1
      Tell this to 18-20 year old boys who fought with international terrorists and a serious army in the Caucasus! Speak to the faces of the boys who survived! You close your mouth and leave in silence, otherwise you will get puzdels))))
    3. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 17: 05 New
      -1
      Gena, Gena you often write about patriotism, but in reality! Their military registration and enlistment offices were also not empty, people were waiting for an order to march, and you hold them for idiots)
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 November 2020 08: 25 New
    +1
    "They never lie as much as during the war, after the hunt and before the elections." (Bismarck) laughing
  12. safar gafarov
    safar gafarov 14 November 2020 08: 35 New
    0
    Macaw will soon be released and put everyone on bread and water
  13. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 November 2020 08: 36 New
    +3
    A little over a year has passed since Pashinyan came to power in Armenia. Nothing has changed for the better in the country during this time, although he promised to improve the economic situation of the country, the income of the population, and also fight corruption.

    Today one can only dream of an economic miracle, since Armenia has been brought to the brink of an economic crisis in a year. At the beginning of 2018, Armenia's GDP was 9,7%, but by the end of the year it had slipped to 2,7%, the growth of foreign trade by the end of the year was only 11,4%, down from 44,6% at the beginning of the year. Where do the conditions for improving the financial situation of the population come from?

    In the field of combating corruption, Pashinyan also went wrong. Cases have been opened against former Prime Minister Abrahamyan, the brothers of former President Sargsyan and many, many others. Only all this very much resembles the settling of personal scores with former political opponents. From the same series, the case of Robert Kocharyan, who should be in prison at Pashinyan's principled desire. To achieve this goal, he even led his people to block the work of the court, which did not want to groundlessly sentence Kocharyan.

    It is not surprising that after such "successes" there were rumors about preparations for the overthrow of Pashinyan. This conspiracy allegedly matured at the top of the leadership of Nagorno-Karabakh, which has something to take offense at Pashinyan. After all, the prime minister is trying to disown support for Artsakh in the international arena and, according to some reports, refuses to further finance the region. It is noteworthy that Kocharian was released from prison under the surety of the Artsakh President Sahakyan. In general, Pashinyan believed in the existence of this conspiracy, and in the fact that the conspiracy is maturing precisely in Nagorno-Karabakh. For 3 million 17 parties, that's how it happens. wassat

    I am not good and not bad, I am kind in an evil stripe. laughing
  14. Homeland
    Homeland 14 November 2020 10: 11 New
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    in the pictures of the transfer there was not a single BMP. one armored personnel carrier. where are these photos from? on all photos on all pages they have everything modern from walkie-talkies to, as you put it, shooters. video a bunch of photos a bunch. there is no BMP anywhere even you crack.

    In fact, according to a signed tripartite statement, the MC should only have an APC. Nothing is said about the BMP. For the BMP is considered an offensive weapon, like tanks and is not accepted for peacekeeping operations.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 November 2020 12: 04 New
      +3
      These soldiers are from a base in Armenia. They were sent to Karabakh first. Before arrival
      aircraft from Russia.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 16: 58 New
      -1
      and tanks are not considered offensive Novruz) ahahaha) you were nailed. or the peacekeepers are now there as their own)
    3. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 17: 01 New
      -1
      actually there are special equipment) tanks and turntables mi-24 are just offensive SPECIAL MEANS, hehe)
  15. iouris
    iouris 14 November 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    And the fact that all of Armenia was "surrounded" is nothing?
  16. Misak Hananyan
    Misak Hananyan 14 November 2020 13: 48 New
    +2
    What kind of agreement, what kind of soldiers, what kind of victory of the Azeris and the defeat of the Armenians ?! The Russian peacekeeping mission consists in one thing: it was yours - it is ours)))))
    1. iouris
      iouris 14 November 2020 14: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Misak Khananyan
      What kind of agreement

      Whoever does not understand will understand. Or he will also start fighting with the "Russian occupants".
  17. opuonmed
    opuonmed 14 November 2020 16: 00 New
    0
    and all this is a war for the sake of gold where it will be mined and gas where the gas pipeline will go 30% of the brites and the other Europeans and the Turks will receive gas directly))) merged Karabakh and this Pashinyan for the sake of dough! while the Russian Federation has stopped this process so far
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 16: 59 New
      -2
      all wars began for the sake of something, Azerbaijan could wait another 30 years, if not for the country's energy dependence and its deterioration against the background of the crown)
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 14 November 2020 17: 00 New
      -2
      but they found the "brothers" they helped as much as they could and think that they will get Karabakh, but no, there are now Russian peacekeepers)
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 November 2020 21: 00 New
    0
    Quote: hydroy
    Gena, Gena you often write about patriotism, but in reality! Their military registration and enlistment offices were also not empty, people were waiting for an order to march, and you hold them for idiots)

    Well, yes ..... now they will begin to identify deserters and heroes laughing The Armenian people received unheard-of humiliation from the Mamed, comparable to the loss of statehood. The patriots scream about another Putin victory. Erdogan and his supporters are doing the same for some reason. But behind the scenes was the very figure of Pashinyan, an unshaven highlander, saving on a "vest". laughing
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 14 November 2020 21: 01 New
    0
    Quote: hydroy
    Tell this to 18-20 year old boys who fought with international terrorists and a serious army in the Caucasus! Speak to the faces of the boys who survived! You close your mouth and leave in silence, otherwise you will get puzdels))))

    At the gates of the Russian military base and peacekeepers' locations

    On the sides of each unit of self-propelled vehicles - from armored personnel carriers to UAZ

    The helmet of every Russian peacekeeper should be written in large letters:

    "Don't spit in the well" laughing