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Shoigu reported to Putin on the progress of organizing a peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh

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Shoigu reported to Putin on the progress of organizing a peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh

Russia transferred over 1,1 thousand peacekeepers and 168 pieces of equipment to Nagorno-Karabakh. This was announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu during his report to Russian President Vladimir Putin.


According to the head of the military department, the Il-76 and An-124 military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces Il-73 and An-25 made XNUMX flights in three days, maintaining an average rate of XNUMX flights per day. An operational group of the Ministry of Defense has already been deployed on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.

We continue to transport equipment and materiel at a rate of 25 sorties per day. aviation VKS Russia. In three days, 73 aircraft flights were made - 1 thousand 103 servicemen, 168 pieces of equipment were transported

- quotes the military department of the words of Shoigu.

Also, according to the head of the Defense Ministry, direct communication channels have been established with the Defense Ministries of Armenia and Azerbaijan, and work continues to clarify the parameters of the peacekeeping mission.

Shoigu specified that the deployment of observation posts in Nagorno-Karabakh will be completed on Saturday.

Today we are completing the deployment of observation posts in the "south" zone of responsibility. There will be nine in total in this zone. Another unit of peacekeepers is deployed in the north of Nagorno-Karabakh. Tomorrow we plan to complete the placement of eight posts in this zone

- he said, adding that four observation posts were set up in the region near the cities of Stepanakert and Shusha.

In total, 1960 servicemen of 15 separate motorized rifle brigade (peacekeeping) of the Central Military District, 90 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A, 380 units of automotive and special equipment, attack and military transport helicopters, and drones will be involved in the peacekeeping mission.

Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the creation of an interdepartmental humanitarian response center to provide assistance to the people of Nagorno-Karabakh. The Center will include representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies and the FSB Border Service. The main task is "operational support of the process of returning refugees to their places of permanent residence, interaction with the state bodies of Azerbaijan and Armenia to restore civil infrastructure and create conditions for normal life in Nagorno-Karabakh."
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  1. V1er
    V1er 13 November 2020 18: 34
    16
    I recently read a very interesting interview with Lukashenka.
    The head of state noted that this issue was discussed back in Yerevan at one of the CSTO summits at a time when Serzh Sargsyan was President of Armenia. He called on the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan to solve this problem together by making compromise solutions. At the same time, Belarus and Russia took a consolidated position, including promising, if necessary, to introduce a military contingent to provide certain guarantees.
    “Then I said frankly: listen, as they say, they occupied 7 regions. And Putin and I took a consolidated position (it was in Yerevan at the Collective Security Treaty Organization): Serge, hand over these 5 districts. What is the reason not to return them, they are empty. He says: if I return, they will cut the road there, occupy Karabakh and so on. And Putin and I clearly promised that we would bring in our troops and we wouldn’t allow it (they said this under the Azerbaijanis). He said: no, we will not agree to this, we do not want this, ”the Belarusian leader noted.

    It turns out this way, and so it would come to this.
    1. Machito
      Machito 13 November 2020 19: 05
      +9
      This is greed. And what I don't eat, I take a bite. It's the same in Ukraine. Instead of giving independence to the LPR, they are waging a war that will drown Ukraine. War is an expensive business, and Pan-Ataman has no gold reserves. And it will end, as in Karabakh, NM LDNR will take all of Novorossia, or even Kiev and Lvov will chop off.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        and even Kiev and Lvov chop off.

        And Kiev, Lviv will take it for itself.
        1. Machito
          Machito 13 November 2020 19: 18
          20
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Bearded
          and even Kiev and Lvov chop off.

          And Kiev, Lviv will take it for itself.

          Kiev has always been a Russian city. There and now the majority of the population speaks Russian.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 41
            -4
            Quote: Bearded
            Kiev has always been a Russian city. There and now the majority of the population speaks Russian.

            Not on a surzhik, but we will take it too, do not worry. And if the Germans (Austrians) behave badly, we will give them up for temporary use.
          2. private person
            private person 13 November 2020 21: 30
            -5
            Kiev has always been a Russian city. There and now the majority of the population speaks Russian.

            And they consider Russia to be the culprit of all their troubles. It has long been necessary to understand that Ukraine is a cut-off slice, everything died so died.
            1. max702
              max702 14 November 2020 00: 22
              -4
              Duc and bringing our peacekeepers into Armenia is absolutely unnecessary .. Both of them will shoot in the back ... Apparently the Armenian lobby put pressure on Putin .. There is no point in having Armenia for Russia, for there are no profits, only expenses .. They would have gone there is no need for enemies to go to the United States with such allies ... We would not need peacekeepers, but we need to withdraw our bases from there. Let Azerbaijan solve this problem for us. too .. We would get rid of the ballast and those and others who live here, this would be an excellent solution to this issue ..
              1. private person
                private person 14 November 2020 20: 35
                0
                Duc and bringing our peacekeepers into Armenia is absolutely unnecessary.

                I agree with you, let them figure it out themselves. The Armenians have lived in Karabakh for 30 years, and now let the Azeri live.
      2. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 13 November 2020 19: 33
        +5
        War is an expensive business, and Pan-Ataman has no gold reserves.
        dollars are being sent to Pan-Ataman from overseas for this war, and they will continue to send all kinds of wild equipment
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: _Ugene_
          dollars are being sent to Pan-Ataman from overseas for this war, and they will continue to send all kinds of wild equipment

          He will send the "reset", and the dollyars (sorry) are needed by themselves.
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 13 November 2020 21: 11
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        LDNR, are waging a war that will drown Ukraine. War is an expensive business, and Pan-Ataman has no gold reserves. And it will end, as in Karabakh, NM LDNR will take the whole of Novorossia, or even Kiev and Lvov will chop off.

        I, you, will correct - hi Will return to Greater Russia! hi
      4. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 November 2020 05: 12
        +2
        Ukraine has a similar problem: the army has been underfunded for decades and has been plundered, top officials from the Ministry of Defense are mired in corruption, and any indecency goes to the army under contract, which no one needs in civilian life. Therefore, the unleashed war in Donbass one day may end in disaster for Ukraine: the so-called. "separatists" can easily find themselves on the line of the Dnieper River in a couple of days. There is no need to meddle behind the Dnieper, and it is not necessary - there are Ukrainians of a different kind and they will not accept and understand those who have come. It is quite possible to make Kharkov the capital of the new state formation, which in the past until 1934 was already a little bit the first capital of Ukraine.
    2. Clear
      Clear 13 November 2020 19: 13
      10
      Russia transferred over 1,1 thousand peacekeepers and 168 pieces of equipment to Nagorno-Karabakh.

      Well, that's right. In essence, we are pushing back the Russian border.
      Another would be the same in the direction of Ukraine, Central Asia and Cuba, and ... smoke bamboo, Soros, Biden and MI-6 winked
      1. Clear
        Clear 13 November 2020 19: 28
        12
        Quote: Clear
        Russia transferred over 1,1 thousand peacekeepers and 168 pieces of equipment to Nagorno-Karabakh.

        Well, that's right. In essence, we are pushing back the Russian border.
        Another would be the same in the direction of Ukraine, Central Asia and Cuba, and ... smoke bamboo, Soros, Biden and MI-6 winked

        Oh, that means she said correctly, they minus the site's companions winked
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 13 November 2020 20: 46
          +1
          Quote: Clear
          Oh, that means she said correctly, they minus the site's companions

          Quote: Clear
          Well, that's right. In essence, we are pushing back the Russian border.
          Another would be the same in the direction of Ukraine, Central Asia and Cuba, and ... smoke bamboo, Soros, Biden and MI-6

          They didn’t get involved, not because they were “companions,” but because they didn’t push the boundaries in this way. I would understand if you said: "We will accept Ukraine, the republics of Central Asia," and so on. Then it would be possible to talk about pushing back the borders, although in any case, this will not solve anything. Only a radical revision of the economic model will decide.
          1. Clear
            Clear 14 November 2020 15: 15
            +4
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: Clear
            Oh, that means she said correctly, they minus the site's companions

            Quote: Clear
            Well, that's right. By the essence pushing back the border of Russia.
            Another would be the same in the direction of Ukraine, Central Asia and Cuba, and ... smoke bamboo, Soros, Biden and MI-6

            They didn’t get involved, not because they were “companions,” but because they didn’t push the boundaries in this way. I would understand if you said: "We will accept Ukraine, the republics of Central Asia," and so on. Then it would be possible to talk about pushing back the borders, although in any case, this will not solve anything. Only a radical revision of the economic model will decide.

            Alexey, I meant the word "essence" as a verb.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 55
          0
          Quote: Clear
          Soros, Biden and MI6
          Not ! put a plus. Only instead of MI6, you need to put "Her Royal Highness, by the grace of God, the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its other Possessions and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith"
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 13 November 2020 21: 14
          +3
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Clear
          Russia transferred over 1,1 thousand peacekeepers and 168 pieces of equipment to Nagorno-Karabakh.

          Well, that's right. In essence, we are pushing back the Russian border.
          Another would be the same in the direction of Ukraine, Central Asia and Cuba, and ... smoke bamboo, Soros, Biden and MI-6 winked

          Oh, that means she said correctly, they minus the site's companions winked

          They are worried recourse ! Now a flock of croaking crows will fly! crying lol Keep our pockets zipped!
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 48
        +1
        Quote: Clear
        In essence, we are pushing back the Russian border.

        Well, we are not pushing it back, but control is now in the hands of Russia (if the liberals and prometheans do not surrender).
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 13 November 2020 19: 26
      -1
      Quote: V1er
      Lukashenko. "Then I said frankly: listen, Serge, give these 5 districts ..."

      "Smart guy", you'd better say frankly, whose Crimea?
    4. flicker
      flicker 13 November 2020 21: 32
      +1
      It turns out this way, and so it would come to this
      This is yes.
      Only Armenia was waiting and hoping for a better option: recognition of the independence of Karabakh.
      ---
      And as you know, the best is the enemy of the good.
      1. max702
        max702 14 November 2020 00: 15
        +1
        Quote: flicker
        It turns out this way, and so it would come to this
        This is yes.
        Only Armenia was waiting and hoping for a better option: recognition of the independence of Karabakh.
        ---
        And as you know, the best is the enemy of the good.

        And why was Armenia itself in no hurry to recognize Karabakh? Or is it different, you need to understand!
  2. Hypertension
    Hypertension 13 November 2020 18: 36
    +1
    Putin said 4000 people were killed in the conflict and 8000 were injured. Although I used to talk about 10000 people. fatalities on both sides. Fig itself a scatter of numbers. belay
    And I wish the peacekeepers a peaceful sky over their heads and the absence of various kinds of provocations!
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 13 November 2020 18: 37
      -2
      Quote: Hyperion
      Although I used to talk about 10000 people. fatalities on both sides.

      Confusing. There were no such words.
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 13 November 2020 18: 40
        +4
        * Confused
        Yes, I messed it up, sorky. 5000 was. And this number was announced on October 22.
        1. Clear
          Clear 13 November 2020 19: 16
          +8
          Quote: Hyperion
          * Confused
          Yes, I messed it up, sorky. 5000 was. And this number was announced on October 22.

          It is unrealistic to immediately determine the exact count after hostilities. The numbers will change.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 13 November 2020 20: 08
            +2
            Quote: Clear
            It is unrealistic to immediately determine the exact count after hostilities. The numbers will change.

            I agree. But not in the downward direction when there are more than two weeks of hostilities ahead? And after all, one must understand that Putin did not take numbers from the ceiling, but used serious sources.
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      3. Aag
        Aag 13 November 2020 19: 31
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Quote: Hyperion
        Although I used to talk about 10000 people. fatalities on both sides.

        Confusing. There were no such words.

        I haven’t heard the President in this regard. But, for the second day already, Vesti-FM has been accustoming listeners to the idea that the death toll "according to various estimates" approached "," exceeded "20 thousand. Sometimes it comes to the point that from" each side ". Including civilians. And Azerbaijan has more (?!). belay
    2. halpat
      halpat 13 November 2020 19: 53
      +1
      Quote: Hyperion
      Putin said 4000 people were killed in the conflict and 8000 were injured. Although I used to talk about 10000 people. fatalities on both sides. Fig itself a scatter of numbers. belay
      And I wish the peacekeepers a peaceful sky over their heads and the absence of various kinds of provocations!

      one must listen with the ear, not the belly.
      4000 people and 8000 wounded ... civilians
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 13 November 2020 20: 06
        +3
        Quote: Halpat
        one must listen with the ear, not the belly.

        Exactly.
        "the number of victims, including among the civilian population as a result of the fighting exceeded 4 thousand people "
    3. flicker
      flicker 13 November 2020 21: 33
      +1
      Fig yourself a scatter of numbers
      The Turk did not take into account.
  3. Dikson
    Dikson 13 November 2020 18: 38
    -5
    “The Turkish military will operate in Karabakh with the aim of observing and monitoring the agreements on the same basis as the Russian ones. And the negotiations on Karabakh continue at the level of the foreign ministers of Turkey and the Russian Federation ”. - This is from the speech of our Turkish friend .., Erdogan. They wanted to put power on all the trilateral agreements .. Nothing in Karabakh is over .. And, as you like it - it turns out that it will not be Azerbaijan that will decide the Karabakh issue, but Turkey ..
    1. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 13 November 2020 18: 47
      +6
      Again, twenty-five, a bunch of articles and everything has already been discussed on VO, wake up ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 13 November 2020 19: 10
        +8
        And this is what I thought about reading this news
        ... at the rate of 25 sorties per day by the Military Transport Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In three days, 73 aircraft flights were made - 1 thousand 103 servicemen, 168 pieces of equipment were transported

        25 flights a day is certainly not the limit, but the pace is also normal. And in the end, not even a whole brigade was thrown in 72 hours ...
        Why am I? How difficult and time-consuming is the air transfer of military units. And if you need to transfer 3-4 brigades ...
        After all, there are directions where, in which case, reinforcements are urgently needed. And the railway and highways will be damaged by the enemy, and that's for sure ...
        1. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 13 November 2020 19: 58
          +3
          Not Aeroflot however. In the 80s he flew from Ukraine there twice, he was absolutely zvizdets, he was young, everything was transferred. It is not for nothing that they teach logistics, the necessary knowledge. From Baku to Yerevan in general on TU 134 !! After that I don't get on the plane.
        2. t-12
          t-12 13 November 2020 21: 33
          +5
          The Russian Air Force has about a hundred Il-76. Counting two flights a day, we get 200 flights, about 2500 people and 300 pieces of equipment. Those. at the maximum voltage of the military transport aviation, 1 brigade can be moved per day (without fuel and ammunition).
        3. Runway
          Runway 14 November 2020 00: 41
          0
          The org-mob has not been canceled. Aeroflot and others - wait, one or two. The transfer of l / s without T&V was run in during a show in the Far East.
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 14 November 2020 04: 19
        -4
        In a week or two, we'll see who is drooling in his sleep and who has what dreams ..))
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 13 November 2020 20: 33
      0
      It is not the Turks who need power, but the Armenians. Stepanokert is protected by the Russians. The Armenian troops should leave the strategic heights only after the establishment of internal stability in Armenia ... In any case, it is definitely not necessary to leave before the status and powers of the Turkish military personnel are determined ...
    3. flicker
      flicker 13 November 2020 22: 18
      +4
      They wanted to put power on all the trilateral agreements ..
      They wanted to put power first of all on Azerbaijan.
      Either the chief of staff is removed, or the minister of defense is removed.
      And then suddenly he (Erdogan) passes by the cash register. belay
      ---
      Somehow, the collective West does not react to all the vysera of the Turkish leadership, and if it does, it is somehow sluggish. Macron endured all the insults.
      And all because the current political course of Turkey is the Anglo-Saxon DRAFT. Project: where Turkey is a kamikaze state, from which the Anglo-Saxons expect war, and above all against Russia (the downed plane is the first attempt that disappointed the Anglo-Saxons and frightened Erdogan).
      Erdogan quickly realized that the West had set him up, that he was a Western project and was awaiting punishment from Russia with horror, but Russia did not touch him, Erdogan realized that it was not profitable for Russia. I quickly realized and began to use it.
      Alternately becoming impudent in one direction, then in the other. But he was more impudent in the direction that posed less danger. Those. towards Russia.

      In February of this year, he exceeded the measure of arrogance, after which he got into a tambourine (though neatly) and became a little quiet. As uttdel, that all settled down again began to become impudent, as prescribed to him by the Anglo-Saxons.
      Erdogan is afraid to be impudent towards the Anglo-Saxons, because it is deadly, but Russia is another matter, in the worst case it will accurately play the tambourine, but this is not fatal, which means that you can be impudent towards Russia without the same fear.
      ---
      And here he is at risk, for he has approached the line, after which the blow of course will be in a tambourine, but it will be so strong that he will no longer get up.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 November 2020 18: 39
    11
    If only they did not give up the slack at the talks in Turkey, did not agree to change the terms of the treaty, and let the Turkish "peacekeepers" enter Karabakh! Only the Russian military should be there!
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    2. Clear
      Clear 13 November 2020 19: 22
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      If only they did not give up the slack at the talks in Turkey, did not agree to change the terms of the treaty, and let the Turkish "peacekeepers" enter Karabakh! Only the Russian military should be there!

      If, in the negotiation process, our corrupt anti-national elites get involved, then the breakdown of the negotiations is guaranteed.
    3. flicker
      flicker 14 November 2020 00: 04
      +3
      If only they did not give slack at the negotiations in Turkey
      It is reported that we did not badly use Turkish proxies in Idlib just during the negotiations, it seems, so that the partners do not lose a sense of reality. bully
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 13 November 2020 18: 39
    0
    let them fight, no matter how much I'm not worried about this.
  6. nobody75
    nobody75 13 November 2020 18: 44
    -1
    I remember already asking myself the question: "What's next?"
    Here is the answer to it ... The number is noticeably more than 2000 and with not the most "peacekeeping" equipment ...
    Now I am tormented by another question ...
    I think everyone understands that Turkey needed Azerbaijan not only as a raw material appendage, but also as the first stone in the foundation of the Great Turan, as a part of the neo-Ottoman empire.
    The problem is that for the countries of Central Asia Azerbaijan was not a leader either in the Soviet or in the post-Soviet periods. In Soviet times, the entire elite of Azerbaijan lived in the advanced city of Baku and did not really want to mingle with the agrarians on the other side of the Caspian. In post-Soviet times, Azerbaijan was absorbed in difficult relations with neighbors and paid little attention to establishing diplomatic and cultural ties.
    How did one of the noble families of Azerbaijan manage to sell its "lacking influence" to the Turks?
    Sincerely
    1. t-12
      t-12 13 November 2020 21: 20
      +3
      and with not the most "peacekeeping" technique ...
      What technique? Fifty armored personnel carriers and a hundred tilt "Ural"?
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 21
        -3
        maktub (maktub)
        Today, 18: 51
        +1
        Nifiga se "peacekeeping equipment, attack helicopters, cities laughing
        1. t-12
          t-12 13 November 2020 21: 38
          +2
          I have not seen the Grads. Peacekeepers do not need Grads. And the turntables are for patrolling.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 40
            +1
            Below your post is a post ...
            Sincerely
          2. hydroy
            hydroy 13 November 2020 23: 32
            0
            Peacekeepers have already deployed the Grads)
            1. Asad
              Asad 15 November 2020 16: 54
              0
              And with what weapons were the peacekeepers supposed to arrive in Karabakh?
              1. hydroy
                hydroy 15 November 2020 17: 36
                -1
                with what you need) even tanks, even shock UAVs) the main thing is that Russian peacekeepers feel calm for 5 years)
  7. maktub
    maktub 13 November 2020 18: 51
    -5
    Nifiga se "peacekeeping equipment, attack helicopters, grads laughing
    At tgk
    Infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2 and MLRS BM-21 "Grad" of the Russian Armed Forces were spotted in the zone of operation of peacekeeping forces in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    Similar to the T-72B battle tanks, the use of infantry fighting vehicles and MLRS has not previously been announced. Perhaps the footage shows the movement of units of the 102nd military base of the RF Armed Forces.
    #Karabakh

    @new_militarycolumnist
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 13 November 2020 18: 57
      +2
      Quote: maktub
      Perhaps the footage shows the movement of units of the 102nd military base of the RF Armed Forces.

      Most likely so. It will logically place reinforcements (tanks, MLRS, helicopters) on the border of Karabakh, somewhere near the town of Goris. In which case, come to help the peacekeepers. I hope they will.
      1. maktub
        maktub 13 November 2020 19: 16
        -5
        Not on the border, but in the area of ​​operation of the peacekeeping forces
  8. Baloo
    Baloo 13 November 2020 19: 04
    +9
    Again, costs are long term and irrecoverable. It should be clear to the military and politicians now. It is not enough to have a nuclear club, you need to have something in abundance for similar cases. The Armenians lost not only because of the weakness of the material part, but also because of stupid management, lack of understanding of the peculiarities of the conduct of hostilities, they had to train more often and not ...
  9. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2020 19: 12
    +5
    All these agreements were signed with the participation of the idiot Pashinyan. Which the Armenians dream of throwing away like a puppy. Now the nix will settle down. In Armenia, a party or politicians will come to power who will shout that we “took away their victory,” And after another year or two, the same Armenians will politely ask our military, “with things to go out,” Small nations love so much their ,, independence ,, that very quickly forget the good that Russia did to them. Don't believe me? .. Look at the sharovarniki. For everything flows, everything changes. Especially in international politics.
    1. Gofman
      Gofman 13 November 2020 20: 18
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Small peoples love their "independence" so much that they very quickly forget the good that Russia has done to them.

      Do you think that they perceive it as good? Post on Armenian Facebook: "A column of military equipment of Russian peacekeepers is preparing to be sent to Karabakh"
      https://www.facebook.com/100008671623685/videos/2481429212156109/
      Below it is a commentary by Irina Robertovna (from Moscow smile ):
      "Where were you a month ago. When Armenians fought terrorists. Shame on you."
      Instead of thanks.
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 13 November 2020 20: 37
        +8
        Below it is Irina Robertovna's comment (from Moscow smile):
        "Where were you a month ago. When the Armenians fought terrorists. Shame on you."
        Instead of thanks.

        Irina Robertovna may be a troll hired by the Turks ...
        Sincerely
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  10. iouris
    iouris 13 November 2020 19: 20
    -1
    We must quickly prepare a new mission ... (Not in our area).
  11. opuonmed
    opuonmed 13 November 2020 19: 31
    +1
    I think the Turks said to the Azeibarjan we will help return and the Azeibarjan believed and saw that they helped and Shas Azeibarjan is getting into a precarious situation Shas Turks will provoke the Azeibarjan against the Mira-workers, otherwise why did the Turks help them the Turks said they would help and the Azeibarjan believed them and Shas Ver there will be everything that the Turks will say if Aliyev does not play his game) in general, we will see that there will be either peace or instability under the control of the Turks
  12. nobody75
    nobody75 13 November 2020 19: 39
    -3
    There is a notice in the military registration and enlistment office: "Russian citizens of Armenian nationality are being recruited for contract service in the Border Troops of the FSB of the Russian Federation to guard the Nakhchivan corridor."
    Sincerely
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 13 November 2020 19: 41
      +5
      Logical.
      Is that the majority of Russian citizens of Amyan nationality, who were born in the Russian Federation, do not know the Armenian language at all.
      What this will give in particular is not very clear.
      hi
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 13 November 2020 19: 45
        +4
        I remembered the case. The local diaspora opened something like a Sunday school in Sochi. And she began to persuade the local Armenians to take the children there. One Armenian said well: "Why does my son need Armenian. The boy lives in Sochi!"
        Sincerely
        1. slipped
          slipped 14 November 2020 01: 13
          +2
          Quote: nobody75
          "Why does my son need Armenian. The boy lives in Sochi!"


          You probably know that the Armenians of Hamshen do not really welcome the Armenians of Yerevan. But they are united about Artsakh.
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 14 November 2020 08: 49
            +2
            I know...
            But they are united about Artsakh.

            And what happened in 2018? Are you saying that Pashinyan did not have popular support? And how did he sit for 2 years?
            Sincerely
            1. slipped
              slipped 14 November 2020 13: 09
              +2
              Quote: nobody75
              I know...
              But they are united about Artsakh.

              And what happened in 2018? Are you saying that Pashinyan did not have popular support? And how did he sit for 2 years?
              Sincerely

              The Sochi people treated Pashinyan differently, now it's just anger, it's hard
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 14 November 2020 14: 45
                +1
                I understand your feelings ... That is why I say - you need to drink coffee with eclairs and think ...
                Sincerely
                1. slipped
                  slipped 14 November 2020 15: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: nobody75
                  I understand your feelings ... That is why I say - you need to drink coffee with eclairs and think ...
                  Sincerely


                  I have been working closely with the local diaspora for many years. Different people there. One of my good acquaintances from there, Levon Munayan, was once an aquanaut on Sadko, now he has moved to Gagra, to his homeland, another, his brother Andronic, used to be engaged in torpedoes in Amur - both nephews of Mr. Matosyan (formerly Kodak corporation) laughing .. Young people are also different. One thing I can say - everyone does not like Loos. lol
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 14 November 2020 16: 05
                    +3
                    You know who moved there after the first Karabakh and Abkhaz wars ... And then how the local Armenians in Veliky Loo restored order ...
                    Although the locals are not very intelligent ...
                    From his autobiography upon admission to the Law Faculty: "Graduated from the Upper - Lao secondary school". Here is such a "dear comrade of Laos," as Leonid Ilyich said ...
                    Sincerely
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 14 November 2020 09: 20
            +2
            So who "sold the land"? Who betrayed our young generation? Yes, all together and betrayed
            - Arayik Harutyunyan.
            If you remember how I assessed the political situation in September, you will see that I was not so categorical. I wrote that the Armenians are tired of the blockade, the Karabakh Franchise and the Karabakh clan. And yes, I do not consider this kind of reflection a betrayal.
            Sincerely
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 13 November 2020 19: 47
        +1
        What this will give in particular is not very clear.

        Such border guards will diligently check Azerbaijani cargoes to and from Nakhchivan. Will be honest and incorruptible!
        Sincerely
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 13 November 2020 19: 54
          +5
          A little aside and probably incorrect from the point of view of European values.
          My friend, an Armenian from Moscow, does not know the Armenian language, is fluent in English.
          He says the following about his nationality.
          For an Armenian, it is best to deceive a friend, even better a relative, there will be no consequences.
          In the case of the Karabakh problem, they tried for 30 years to deceive the enemy, with the same perception of what was happening, as if they were deceiving a relative.
          They thought they could get away with it.
          It didn’t come off.
          hi
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 13 November 2020 20: 05
            0
            I will also allow myself to move away from Western political correctness ...
            One of my acquaintances, an Armenian, a teacher at the GAU, said about the Azerbaijanis: "They need to cook for another hundred years in the cauldron of world civilization before they can fight with us."
            However, now we can say that the Turkish generals completely removed the Azerbaijanis from the command of the operation. The newspaper "Vzglyad" wrote about this, so no need to torture me virtually about the sources ...
            Sincerely
            1. Livonetc
              Livonetc 13 November 2020 20: 19
              +6
              I know from another Armenian friend of mine with what arrogance they treat Azerbaijanis.
              In the army he communicated with both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
              The guys from Baku and Yerevan were at about the same level of development, very worthy.
              However, the representatives of the hinterland were so wild that then they made a strong impression on me with their almost primitive level.
              At the same time, even the most developed of them turned into primitive evil furies when it came to the nasty nation.
              There could be no question of any objective assessment of each other.

              According to my subjective assessment, Azerbaijanis were still simpler, but also more evil,
              The Armenians seemed much more cunning, but somewhat more human.
              I do not pretend to be true in the above, but military service will reveal the essence of a person.
              However, the Russians also showed themselves in the army often with extreme cruelty.
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 13 November 2020 20: 26
                -1
                I agree with you. Both those and others fled to their communities ...
                Although there are many "true internationalists" among Armenians ...
                When a teacher at school asked Melkonyan: "Where are your roots?", He replied - "In America." And he didn't lie. Until the end of his days he worked for the CIA ... Although it may be early I bury him, the smoking room may be alive ...
                Sincerely
                1. Livonetc
                  Livonetc 13 November 2020 20: 48
                  +1
                  I had to talk to the Armenians from America.
                  Advanced.
                  We quickly established a business in Russia, and with minimal capital, attracted funds from Russians with sweet promises.
                  They acted in clans and periodically drowned each other (to be honest, everything was extremely tough).
                  And there was also one kind of acquaintance.
                  Armenian Jew, from Tbilisi, Orthodox, emigrated to Israel, served in Tsakhal, and then left for Russia.
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 13 November 2020 20: 59
                    +2
                    Yes, Armenians are an enterprising people ... I remember in the 90s they were in fashion ... They attracted loans for business and ... left for Armenia.
                    But the most cheerful character was Atalyants - he managed to forge a letter of guarantee from Hyundai ...
                    Sincerely
            2. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2020 21: 27
              +1
              I had a friend for an urgent one - Armenians. Wonderful person! Himself from Yerevan, parents are teachers. At the age of 19, I realized that all Armenians are intelligent people, and all with higher education. But when I saw what the Armenians were doing in the building of their parliament, I realized that when I was young, I was lucky to be friends with the best representatives of this nation.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 13 November 2020 21: 23
            0
            Quote: Livonetc
            For an Armenian, it is best to deceive a friend, even better a relative, there will be no consequences.

            If only the Armenians had it! Our scammers love to do this too! So, as there will be no consequences from family and friends. You formulated this quote very correctly ... I got it ...
  13. Terenin
    Terenin 13 November 2020 19: 45
    +5
    In three days, 73 plane flights were made - 1 thousand 103 servicemen, 168 pieces of equipment were transported
    And they "harnessed" it, not for long winked
    The task is caution, attentiveness and operational intelligence information.
  14. iouris
    iouris 13 November 2020 20: 16
    -3
    Don't talk about the "peacekeeping mission", because the Armenians are leaving Karabakh. After that, the Russian Federation will be accused of supporting Azerbaijan. If Trump does not cancel the results of the "elections", does not knock out Biden, then the States will be able to get into Armenia "at the request" of the "legitimate government." Or maybe Trump will fit. So, at least, you need to have your own government in the rear, especially since they seriously warned (shot down a helicopter). Yes, and Aliyev will not be able to keep tight-knit gloves. Azerbaijan made its historic choice: it left.
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 13 November 2020 20: 31
      0
      Don't talk about the "peacekeeping mission", because the Armenians are leaving Karabakh.

      The Armenians began to leave Karabakh even before the start of the first war - what should the "right" people do there?
      The states will be able to enter Armenia "at the request" of the "legal government".

      Do they need it? Did they just incite Erdagan?
      Azerbaijan made its historic choice: it left.

      "He flew away, but promised to return"
      Sincerely
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 13 November 2020 21: 11
        +2
        The endless withdrawal of Armenians with their spread throughout the world is impressive.

        The Jews, having lost their territory, spread throughout the world, and having returned, in some part, to their historical homeland, they created a quite successful tiny state.

        But the Armenians, without losing their state as a territory, managed to lose Armenia as a state.

        Paradox...
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 14
          -3
          Have mercy! They haven't lost anything yet! Maidanit is only a Dashnak party. There on the strength of 3000 people. Pashinyan hid either in the American embassy, ​​or at our base, and with the help of tweeter he runs the country ...
          Sincerely
          1. Livonetc
            Livonetc 13 November 2020 21: 19
            +2
            I mean the state as an economically and politically effective structure.
            Although, perhaps, they never had such a state.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 22
              +2
              Excuse me, are there still such states on the planet?
              Sincerely
              1. Livonetc
                Livonetc 13 November 2020 21: 27
                -1
                For example, China.
                1. nobody75
                  nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 36
                  +3
                  According to my estimates, the PRC and Chimerica will soon end. Net assets tend to zero. High debt burden of both enterprises and households, and the reorientation of the economy to domestic demand announced in 2008 did not work. The PRC could not become an autarchy, and the growth in real disposable income lags behind the growth in output.
                  Somewhere I already considered it ...
                  Excuse me, but in what system are you doing macroeconomic modeling?
                  Sincerely
                  1. Livonetc
                    Livonetc 13 November 2020 21: 41
                    0
                    My knowledge of economics, as such, is very superficial, although the second degree is related to economics.
                    I am mainly engaged in project management.
                    hi
                    1. nobody75
                      nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 43
                      +1
                      Good occupation, if you approach it, sorry, not as "boyishness". It is difficult to find Khoroshev Project Manager now.
                      Sincerely
                      1. Livonetc
                        Livonetc 13 November 2020 21: 50
                        +3
                        Project activity is valuable because you see the end result, and everyone.
                        once you can evaluate yourself.
                        Process activity, in most cases, does not provide such satisfaction.
                        hi
                      2. nobody75
                        nobody75 13 November 2020 21: 59
                        +1
                        How to say ... If you take Java development for fintech, then there - "Trotskyism" is flourishing. The same is true for "people who are webbing" ... I am more attracted to the neural network Matlab and python lately ...
                        Sincerely
  • deniso
    deniso 13 November 2020 20: 29
    +4
    There is no peace in the Caucasus without Russians ...
  • Cottager452
    Cottager452 13 November 2020 22: 03
    0
    I have read recently, probably, all the articles and comments on the Az-Arm topic and, you know, it seems that the Russian people (I define them not by their nicknames and I mean their adequate part) are too politicized and stereotyped in what is happening, regardless of whether which side they take.
    For example, many write that the enmity between Armenians and Azerbaijanis is permanent, always and everywhere. This is not true. After Sumgait and Baku, I visited friends in Yevlakh, and serious local people told how they saved Armenians from militants who came from Baku and Ganja. It happened in other places as well.
    In general, I mean that we are here
    on the forums, in general, ordinary people, not sophisticated in the intricacies of politics and devoid of real information, but common sense has not been taken away from us. Maybe we will start from this?
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 14 November 2020 14: 48
      +1
      In general, I mean that we are here
      on the forums, in general, ordinary people, not sophisticated in the intricacies of politics and devoid of real information, but common sense has not been taken away from us.

      As my bad experience shows, the use of common sense in the field of politics and military affairs only leads to damage to the health of the applicant. Sometimes to irreversible damage ...
      Sincerely
  • svoit
    svoit 13 November 2020 22: 06
    -1
    Quote: V1er
    He said: no, we will not agree to this, we do not want this ",

    If the answer was known in advance why ask, today is serge tomorrow is herge, why are these games of "independence"?
  • Andobor
    Andobor 13 November 2020 22: 38
    0
    Related, old song
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 14 November 2020 04: 26
      -4
      Does anyone here still remember how they left Karabakh not so long ago? How many people and technology have been lost?
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 14 November 2020 04: 34
        +1
        They remember ... both sides shot in the back of our soldiers and officers and actively stole military equipment ... especially Armenian officers ... therefore I have no illusions about these comrades.
        Pashinyan can now push the opposition to break the agreement on the deployment of our peacekeepers ... a very dangerous situation is developing for our guys. what
        He is a concrete traitor.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 14 November 2020 08: 58
          +3
          Pashinyan can now push the opposition to break the agreement on the introduction of our peacekeepers

          Who will he push there? The most popular question on Twitter that oppositionists ask him is: "Ara, where are you ???". And he bans them ...
          Sincerely
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 14 November 2020 16: 29
        +1
        Why did they put a few minuses, uryakaly? None of the acquaintances of those times remembers, or the highly artistic taste and vulnerable soul does not allow to spoil the picture of the sky with flying caps with bloody snot? ...
  • tarakan
    tarakan 14 November 2020 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    This is greed. And what I don't eat, I take a bite. It's the same in Ukraine. Instead of giving independence to the LPR, they are waging a war that will drown Ukraine. War is an expensive business, and Pan-Ataman has no gold reserves. And it will end, as in Karabakh, NM LDNR will take all of Novorossia, or even Kiev and Lvov will chop off.

    in the LDNR, I suppose, there will also be zvizdets, escalation, losses, peacekeepers, and very soon. (Unfortunately)
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 November 2020 00: 08
    0
    He generally knows military tactics. I, a private in the Soviet army, and I understand that the Armenians already have a full ass, they would look at Syria ... will settle.
  • tarakan
    tarakan 14 November 2020 00: 10
    +1
    How not to criticize the army of Ukraine, but, following the example of Azerbaijan, it prepared for war, both in terms of weapons, as well as in training personnel
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 14 November 2020 08: 55
      +2
      How not to criticize the army of Ukraine, but it prepared for war following the example of Azerbaijan

      To war with whom? Can Ukraine prepare itself for a war with such an enemy? Now this also concerns Azerbaijan ...
      Sincerely