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The Federal Air Transport Agency named the reason for the emergency landing of An-124 "Ruslan" in Novosibirsk

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The Federal Air Transport Agency named the reason for the emergency landing of An-124 "Ruslan" in Novosibirsk

An An-124 Ruslan transport plane made an emergency landing at the Novosibirsk Tolmachevo airport. The plane skidded off the runway (runway), receiving serious damage to one of the engines, as well as the fuselage and landing gear.


According to the Federal Air Transport Agency, the cause of the emergency landing was engine problems. The plane was supposed to fly from Novosibirsk to Vienna, but immediately after takeoff, due to problems, it was decided to return. The pilot-in-command reported a refusal and requested an emergency landing.

During landing, the left landing gear and tires were damaged, after which the aircraft rolled out of the runway. According to the crew commander, the plane was planted blindly, the crew had no communication both with the dispatchers and inside the cockpit.


The plane was completely de-energized. That is, neither external nor internal communication - nothing. And there was no in-cab communication. We only got 300 meters (…) We didn't even have time to remove the flaps. Only the chassis was removed

- he said.

Eyewitnesses of the incident reported that fragments of the plane's engine were found outside the runway, they began to separate from the plane while it was still in the air.

There were 124 people on board the An-14, none of them was injured. A commission with the participation of representatives of the Federal Air Transport Agency will be engaged in clarifying the circumstances of the incident. On this fact, the West Siberian Investigative Department for Transport of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation opened a criminal case.
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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 13 November 2020 15: 30
    50
    The main thing is that no one was hurt!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 November 2020 15: 33
      +4
      Skakuas will see a holiday today.
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 13 November 2020 15: 35
        -3
        They will drink the last haul of vodka and eat the last piece of bacon to spite us sitting by the fire, because there is no gas laughing
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 November 2020 16: 04
          28
          Quote: El Dorado
          gas is dumb

          On gas they bent us as they wanted. For the near future.
          This was one of the major "victories" of our foreign policy. This must be remembered in order to correctly assess the "efficiency" of our state managers.
          1. Eldorado
            Eldorado 13 November 2020 16: 31
            15
            Drink vodka, Boris hi
            And then look at the payment for gas of the average Ukrainian.
            1. krot
              krot 14 November 2020 08: 34
              0
              They say that the bird has hit .. The pilots are just great, and the technique is great, saved many lives!
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 14 November 2020 09: 57
                0
                Quote: krot
                They say that the bird has hit .. The pilots are just great, and the technique is great, saved many lives!

                Rather, it looks like a manufacturing defect. However, the investigation will show. But the crew, yes, well done.
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 15 November 2020 23: 12
                0
                Quote: krot
                They say that the bird hit ..

                It’s somehow strange: the engine was destroyed in the air from a bird (even if there are many birds). Its scattered parts damaged the vital systems of the aircraft (... "The aircraft was completely de-energized. That is, neither external nor internal communication - no way. And there was no internal communication." ....) The huge engine was from birds. It shouldn't be like that.
            2. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 14 November 2020 12: 48
              +1
              "Then look at the payment for gas of an average Ukrainian."
              But as they rode ... as pans on their heads looked wonderful.)
            3. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 14 November 2020 13: 50
              +2
              Quote: El Dorado
              look at the payment for gas of an average Ukrainian

              MO 7 r / cubic meter.
              Kiev region 8gr / m22. XNUMX rubles approximately.

              Are you talking about this tragedy?
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 14 November 2020 15: 12
                0
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Are you talking about this tragedy?

                No, this is not a tragedy ...
                This is kapets ... just kapets ...
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 14 November 2020 15: 30
                  0
                  How scary to live.
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 14 November 2020 16: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    How scary to live.

                    Exactly! They made friends with Europa, they themselves have almost become Tseuropa! All Omerigna is with them, and the currency sank from something relative to the holy dollar, and even almost twice as strong as that of the damned ahrasor, who is under sanctions, housing and communal services tariffs have grown, don't worry, and optimists say. that they will grow even more, and under the sanctions of the same achressor, the same tariffs grow 10 times slower ...
                    Tin, in a word ...
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 14 November 2020 17: 57
                      +1
                      In general, it is not clear how you tied Europe, the aggressor and housing and communal services. Did the Germans teach you how to steal Ukrainians, or maybe the Russians?
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 14 November 2020 18: 07
                        +5
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        In general, it is not clear how you tied Europe, the aggressor and housing and communal services. Did the Germans teach you how to steal Ukrainians, or maybe the Russians?

                        In fact, the Russians and other indigenous peoples inhabiting or trying to pretend that they do, are simply robbed to the skin and the Ukrainians, incl.
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 14 November 2020 18: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        In fact, the Russians and other indigenous peoples inhabiting or trying to pretend that they do, are simply robbed to the skin and the Ukrainians, incl.

                        At the same time, the Ukrainians, having initially less than the inhabitants of Russia, somehow managed to be robbed much stronger ... Apparently in this matter their "vlada" is much more "professional" than the Russian one ...
                      3. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 14 November 2020 21: 10
                        0
                        We are talking about the plane. Why do you (us) Ukraine? Compare the exchange rate to the dollar. Hryvnia and rubles. ... And the servicemen here receive more than in the LPNR. The country lives. Survives as best she can. Doesn't Russia have few problems? What a strange urge to giggle at the problems of the neighbors?
                        By the way, by and large, everyone has ONE problem. And in Karabakh, and in America, and in Russia, and in Ukraine ... How to neutralize the influence of ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (convenient and sensible in the sense of ,, ufo ,,) on the life of CHOLOVIKOV (Ukrainian.)? How to drive them into burrows? Here's the challenge!
                        And the plane in the Ukrainian SSR was designed and built. During the Soviet period in the history of Ukraine. And then another ,, Mriya ,, (,, Dream ,,) was ... Six engines! Excellent thrust-to-weight ratio! ,, UFO ,, killed ,, Dream ,,. Also, as killed ,, Buran ,, ,, Ural ,, ,, Caspian monster ,, ...
                        It is not people who need to fight with people, incl. in the information war, but about the satanists - "UFO". How does it, for example, quite to himself, the capitalist, and the mattress, anti-globalist Donald Trump
                      4. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 14 November 2020 21: 23
                        +1
                        Well, all in a bunch straight ...
                        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        And the servicemen here receive more than in the LPR.

                        Generals - that's right ...
                        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        Compare the exchange rate to the dollar. Hryvnia and rubles. ..

                        I compare and marvel at how the hryvnia to the dollar sank twice as much as the ruble without any sanctions ...
                        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        The country lives. Survives as best she can. Doesn't Russia have few problems? What a strange urge to giggle at the neighbors' problems?

                        It is so easy to wonder how a country can create a problem for itself out of the blue, they would not quarrel with Russia now they would shovel money from our orders for the same aircraft engines, ship engines, etc.
                        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        How to neutralize the influence of ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (convenient and sensible in the sense - ,, UFO ,,) on the life of CHOLOVIKOV (Ukrainian.)? How to drive them into burrows? Here's the challenge!

                        And this is only the Ukrainians themselves who can, but it seems they do not want or are afraid ...
                        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
                        It is not people who need to fight with people, incl. in the information war, but about the satanists - "UFO". How does it, for example, quite to himself, the capitalist, and the mattress, anti-globalist Donald Trump

                        Something superbly bad he does, on the one hand, supposedly fight the "non-humans", and on the other hand, actively support their activities with us ...
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 14 November 2020 18: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  In general, it is not clear how you tied Europe, the aggressor and housing and communal services.

                  How is it incomprehensible? The citizens of one very independent and non-stale country decided that if they sever almost all ties with their main trading partner and become associated with Europe, they will immediately "heal" ... But it didn't work - housing and communal services and all the delights somehow jumped up , and the hryvnia is somehow strongly down, and the dependence on imports, again, somehow strangely went up ... At the same time, the former main trading partner, who has now become a non-brother and an accursed achressor, who is under sanctions, has all sorts of increases in housing and communal services and falling currencies many times less than the European-integrated citizens of a democratic state ...
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Did the Germans teach you how to steal Ukrainians, or maybe the Russians?

                  As my grandfather, who was born in Kiev, said, "where ho ... ol passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do", so many citizens of a neighboring country knew how to steal much better than any Russian oligarch or official ...
                3. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 14 November 2020 19: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  The citizens of one very independent and non-stale country decided that if they sever almost all ties with their main trading partner and associate with Europe, they will immediately "heal"

                  As far as I remember, when the citizens were deciding something, it was May 2014, the trade partner, as you put it, has already successfully liberated Crimea from Ukraine and liberated Donbass slightly less successfully. So it was somehow too late to decide on this.

                  Not everyone is lucky with trading partners.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  At the same time, the former main trading partner, who has now become a non-brother and an accursed achressor, who is under sanctions, has all kinds of promotions there.

                  Yes, since 2013 the hryvnia has fallen against the dollar by about twice as much as the ruble. Someone promised it would be easy?
                  many citizens of the neighboring country knew how to steal much better than any Russian oligarch or official ...

                  What surprises you then? Is it really so important whether they steal Ukrainian aces in a European way, in a good neighborly way or in a rich vector?
                4. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 14 November 2020 19: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  As far as I remember, when the citizens were deciding something, it was May 2014,

                  Yah? And since the fall of the 13th the people "did not decide"? On the squares until March 14 did not ride, "m --- lei on the knives" did not shout? But have they decided something since May? Or would you say that before May it was not a people?
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  the partner has already successfully liberated Crimea from Ukraine and slightly less successfully liberated Donbass. So it was somehow too late to decide on this.

                  Everything was decided long BEFORE, even when Yanyk climbed into Europe, only he quickly realized (or was prompted) that Europa would not give a penny, and decided to turn back, but only the "people" then, in anticipation of a close freebie, somehow was a different opinion ...
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Yes, since 2013 the hryvnia has fallen against the dollar by about twice as much as the ruble. Someone promised it would be easy?

                  So the Maidan leaders actually promised))))) They say we’ll drive all the boys away, we’ll put on orange pants, and like proud chatlanes to Europe ... In Zurich, crunch croissants ...
                  And the people all dreamed about lace panties ...
                  Only something did not work out the promised freebie and prosperity ... Or rather, it did, but for a very narrow circle of people ...
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  What surprises you then? Is it really so important whether they steal Ukrainian aces in a European way, in a good neighborly way or in a rich vector?

                  It is important that according to the previous agreements, Russia was responsible to Europe for the theft of the Ukrainian side! Now everything is a little not so rosy for aces and aces ...
                5. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 14 November 2020 20: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  But have they decided something since May? Or would you say that before May it was not a people?

                  Of course not. The election of the 14th year was the decision of the people.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Everything was decided long BEFORE

                  That is, you consider YANUKOVICH's pro-European policy as the root of the problem? Suddenly.
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Maidan leaders promised

                  Who exactly is this? Sotnik Parasyuk?
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  according to previous agreements, Russia was responsible for the theft of the Ukrainian side before Europe!

                  Was Russia responsible for the theft? This is very interesting, thanks.
                6. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 14 November 2020 21: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Of course not. The election of the 14th year was the decision of the people.

                  And what difference does it make to the devil when people voted, if they were ready to vote in the same way a year before?
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  That is, you consider YANUKOVICH's pro-European policy as the root of the problem? Suddenly.

                  Why only Yanukovych? Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko ... Namely, what they themselves understood by "pro-European policy", that is, a demonstration of readiness to lick an aphedrone to the Euro-host, a demonstration of no less readiness to bite the "feeding hand", that is, Russia to do mean things, like a course towards NATO etc., with complete connivance, or even direct support of completely stubborn nationalism ... And Yanukovych is just the last in a row who has already dispersed the "locomotive" so much that when he tried to slow down and turn around, he simply flew off.
                  This is the root of the problem, yes ...
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Who exactly is this? Sotnik Parasyuk?

                  Parasyuk, and maybe someone more - Yatsenyuk-American, Klichno-in-the-ring-repulsed, Parubiy-with-help, a certain pastor with Hitler's manners, etc. Well, the "old guard" in the person of Timoshenko-na- wheels.
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Was Russia responsible for the theft? This is very interesting, thanks.

                  Russia has guaranteed gas delivery to Europe via Ukrainian territory! And she was responsible for any shortages! That is, it was stolen in Ukraine - Europe does not care, Russia must deal with Ukraine itself. Now this annoying moment has been corrected.
                  True, Ukraine has only to make the main "change" - to get Europe to account for the gas supplied not at the border of the EU and Ukraine, but at the border of Russia and Ukraine, which some Ukrainian leaders have long been wanting.
                  If this happens, then Russia will melt down all its gold reserves and build from this gold a huge statue of the Ukrainian politician who will achieve this from Europe, and put it on Red Square ...
                  Because then, it will be possible to sign an agreement with the European Union on the supply of gas for 100 years at once and all these Nord Streams are in the picture, let the Germans finish the construction themselves and butt with the amers if they really need it.
                7. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 15 November 2020 06: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  Because then, it will be possible to sign an agreement with the European Union on the supply of gas for 100 years at once and all these Nord Streams are in the picture, let the Germans finish the construction themselves and butt with the amers if they really need it.

                  Yes, that's a great idea, you're right. In principle, it suits everyone. Except for the great Russian geopoliticians, of course.
                8. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 15 November 2020 15: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Yes, that's a great idea, you're right. In principle, it suits everyone. Except for the great Russian geopoliticians, of course.

                  Of course, it does not suit the Russians 100%, because it suits them 100500-XNUMX%! This idea does not suit only one player - Europe! For the Caucasians cannot let go of such a lever of pressure on Russia as the Ukrainian transit! After all, otherwise you will not be able to bargain on the price of gas, you will have to decide something with Ukraine yourself, without shifting it onto the shoulders of Russia. Of course, according to the latest contracts, Ukraine is still accountable to Europe for transit, but nevertheless, this is not gas metering directly on the Russian-Ukrainian border.
  2. Jager
    Jager 14 November 2020 19: 32
    +1
    I personally don't give a damn about how they began to live in Kiev. But the fact that I began to live much worse in Moscow is a fact.
    The pilots are handsome! To plant such a carcass with tens of tons of kerosene and almost 100 tons of cargo on actually two engines, without brakes and on takeoff is a) good luck b) professionalism. Although, I think these points should be reversed.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 14 November 2020 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: Jager
      I personally don't give a damn about how they began to live in Kiev. But the fact that I began to live much worse in Moscow is a fact.

      Yes, lately I have begun to meet more and more people who live in the Moscow region and say how their life has become worse, and then I see their cars and understand that I cannot afford to buy such a pepelats, even a used one, aged 7-8 years, or even 10! Then I find out that they are acquiring housing, and in the Riga direction, which is the most expensive in almost the entire MO, their children wear iPhones, that that "Dimon" ...
      And at this time I am happy about the increase in my salary, from which a loan for a car, which is far from expensive, will devour at least a third of my income, and not almost half!
      Yes, it's so bad for everyone to live around!
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 November 2020 14: 04
    +1
    Quote: El Dorado
    the average Ukrainian

    And no one says that their "vlada" is working for the people
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 14 November 2020 16: 36
    0
    Quote: El Dorado
    Drink vodka, Boris hi
    And then look at the payment for gas of the average Ukrainian.


    And how does the gas price "kill" a Ukrainian?


    Yes, they have a price per cube in terms of 16,5 rubles.
    So my price in Samara is also almost 8 rubles.
    My gas consumption in a one-room apartment is about 18-20 cubic meters.
    This is a difference of 160 rubles - less than 2 dollars. here I like 2 bucks won


    Electricity costs 3 rubles 19 kopecks in Kiev.
    In Samara it costs 4 rubles 32 kopecks.
    I consume approximately 110 kW, i.e. my expenses are already 1,5 bucks higher.

    Water supply / sewerage for 1 cubic meter in Kiev costs 60 rubles
    I have 56 rubles in Samara.
    8 cubic meters - 32 rubles.

    Is the difference in utility bills big?

    Yes she is zero

    Food prices there are lower and often significantly lower.

    As a result, the delta is not in our favor.

    So stop writing with agitation and propaganda, which in fact only gives
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 14 November 2020 19: 38
      +2
      Quote: SovAr238A
      As a result, the delta is not in our favor.

      You are disingenuous, my friend. Specially googled the prices to poke your nose into a lie.
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Yes, they have a price per cube in terms of 16,5 rubles.

      What is the rate of the hryvnia ??? At the moment, at the exchange rate for the hryvnia, they give 2 rubles 75 kopecks The price of gas is now almost 8 hryvnia. And this is at the rate of 22 rubles And another important detail is that gas delivery is also paid separately
      Most of the gas suppliers for the population in a disciplined manner disclosed the November gas prices - as expected, immediately after October 25 (recall that in connection with the transition from August 2020 to market conditions in the field of gas supply to the population, suppliers must publish the relevant information at the end of the previous months). As expected, gas prices increased, and for most suppliers they exceeded 8 UAH / m³ (including VAT), or came close to it. At the same time, in connection with the transition to market rails, prices from different suppliers will slightly differ, and sometimes in a more favorable direction for consumers.
      So we go further.
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Electricity costs 3 rubles 19 kopecks in Kiev.

      And again, you forgot to indicate that this is the price for the first 100 kW More than one hundred kilowatts is paid at the rate of 168 kopecks what are you
      So stop writing with agitation and propaganda, which in fact is only deception
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 14 November 2020 19: 50
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
        Quote: SovAr238A
        As a result, the delta is not in our favor.

        You are disingenuous, my friend. Specially googled the prices to poke your nose into a lie.
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Yes, they have a price per cube in terms of 16,5 rubles.

        What is the rate of the hryvnia ??? At the moment, at the exchange rate for the hryvnia, they give 2 rubles 75 kopecks The price of gas is now almost 8 hryvnia. And this is at the rate of 22 rubles And another important detail is that gas delivery is also paid separately
        Most of the gas suppliers for the population in a disciplined manner disclosed the November gas prices - as expected, immediately after October 25 (recall that in connection with the transition from August 2020 to market conditions in the field of gas supply to the population, suppliers must publish the relevant information at the end of the previous months). As expected, gas prices increased, and for most suppliers they exceeded 8 UAH / m³ (including VAT), or came close to it. At the same time, in connection with the transition to market rails, prices from different suppliers will slightly differ, and sometimes in a more favorable direction for consumers.
        So we go further.
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Electricity costs 3 rubles 19 kopecks in Kiev.

        And again, you forgot to indicate that this is the price for the first 100 kW More than one hundred kilowatts is paid at the rate of 168 kopecks what are you
        So stop writing with agitation and propaganda, which in fact is only deception



        https://www.prostobank.ua/servisy/kalkulyatory/kalkulyator_gaza/1/150/0
        https://www.prostobank.ua/servisy/kalkulyatory/kalkulyator_elektroenergii/1/250/100

        And I live in Samara.
        And I give the prices from my receipts.
        Electricity - operator of SamHPP (JSC SamaraGorenergosbyt)
        Water - LLC "Samara Communal Systems"
        Gas - Gazprom Mezhregiongaz Samara LLC ...

        Any Samara reader of this forum will confirm the operators and the cost of services
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 14 November 2020 20: 01
          +3
          But in Tomsk, the price of kW of electricity is 2,56 A In Novosibirsk, they take a little less than 20 rubles for a cubic meter of cold water. For a cubic meter of gas in our region they ask 5,65 rubles. So your comparisons are incorrect, whatever you say.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 14 November 2020 21: 06
            0
            Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
            But in Tomsk, the price of kW of electricity is 2,56 A In Novosibirsk, they take a little less than 20 rubles for a cubic meter of cold water. For a cubic meter of gas in our region they ask 5,65 rubles. So your comparisons are incorrect, whatever you say.




            Why are you lying?
            At each point they did not agree, count it as a lie ...
            By manipulating values?

            On electricity.
            taking and underestimating the figure of even the night rate, not noticing that the night rate has an extremely low share?
            Here are the real rates in Tomsk.
            One-rate tariff for electricity 3.66 rubles per 1 kWh
            Electricity tariff, differentiated by two zones of the day
            day zone (from 7 to 23 hours) 4.21 rubles per 1 kWh
            night zone (from 23 to 7 hours) 2.59 rubles per 1 kWh
            Electricity tariff, differentiated by three zones of the day
            peak zone (from 7 to 10 and from 17 to 21 hours) 4.60 rubles per 1 kWh
            half-peak zone (from 10 to 17 and from 21 to 23 hours) 3.66 rubles per 1 kWh
            night zone (from 23 to 7 hours) 2.59 rubles per 1 kWh


            About drinking water in Novosibirsk.
            Here are the real numbers in Novosibirsk.
            Drinking water - 19.46 rubles
            But you forgot to indicate Water disposal - 15.08 rubles.
            What gives in the end: 34.50 rubles.

            I have a feeling that you yourself have never seen a utility bill ...
            You have never watched it and do not understand what is written there and how.
            Just never.
            Another bot, out of this world ...
    2. Object.F7
      Object.F7 14 November 2020 20: 01
      0
      There are not enough heating tariffs and, most importantly, comparisons of the average salary / pensions to see the real delta. Moreover, if we take the average in Kiev, it must be compared with the salary in Moscow. And the average salary in Samara with the average in Kirovograd. And for a better comparison, consider separately such an important parameter as the percentage of unemployed. Then perhaps the answers will open why today more than 60% of the population of Ukraine have a colossal debt for communal services.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 14 November 2020 21: 22
        0
        Quote: Object.F7
        There are not enough heating tariffs and, most importantly, comparisons of the average salary / pensions to see the real delta. Moreover, if we take the average in Kiev, it must be compared with the salary in Moscow. And the average salary in Samara with the average in Kirovograd. And for a better comparison, consider separately such an important parameter as the percentage of unemployed. Then perhaps the answers will open why today more than 60% of the population of Ukraine have a colossal debt for communal services.


        Kirovograd?
        A town with a population of 200 thousand people?
        Compare with XNUMX million Samara?
        What country are you writing from?
        Talking so poorly about Russian cities?
        In Ukraine, identical to Samara only Kharkov and Kiev.

        Paid parking is being introduced for me from January 1. We have never had them before.
        So.
        To calculate the hour, they took the average salary in Samara at 45 thousand rubles.
        Does anyone believe that such an average salary in Samara?
        Moreover, Samarastat says about a salary of 35 thousand rubles.
        Which is also not true ..
        Probably, the amount of 25-27 is more relevant now, and after a lot has collapsed due to the coronavirus and unemployment is already going through the roof - vacancies for 20-25 thousand rubles are flying around like cakes.

        Again you are in the direction of Ukraine, how bad and unhappy they are poor.
        but.
        We take the data.
        RF.
        RUB 1,03 trillion is the amount of debt for housing and communal services in Russia in March 2020, according to the Ministry of Construction and Housing and Utilities of the Russian Federation.
        The population of the Russian Federation is 146 748 590 people.
        those. each of the Russians, including newborns and the elderly, owes 7018 rubles for a communal apartment.

        Ukraine.
        According to the State Statistics Service, as of January 1, 2020, the population's debt for housing and communal services reached UAH 63,7 billion. Feb 22
        Population of Ukraine - 41 554 361 people.
        those. each of the Ukrainians, including newborns and the elderly, owes a communal flat - 1629 hryvnia, which is equal to 4476,01 rubles.

        And where and who actually has colossal communal debt?

        Well, enough like a mantra to repeat nonsense after someone.

        Take the numbers themselves and count.
        Turn your mind on and look for yourself ...
  • Vall eremkin
    Vall eremkin 14 November 2020 12: 24
    0
    You just have such a special perception of reality. In fact, they pumped up to 110 billion km and now they will be 40 and only for 4 years. And then as Russia wants.
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 14 November 2020 15: 11
    0
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    On gas they bent us as they wanted. For the near future.

    This is a big question, because if the contract is concluded according to "European" rules, then Europe will cheat Ukraine for every stolen cubic centimeter of gas ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 14 November 2020 15: 43
    0
    Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
    On gas they bent us as they wanted.

    Europe (Swedish arbitration) has bent us by showing its duplicity. Next in line is England on the same issues. And this is precisely what must be remembered, especially for those who are eager to go there on vacation to skip the money earned here. And it would be nice for you to look at the world more widely and delve deeper into the essence of what is happening. In the meantime, you do not possess that amount of knowledge and experience to make a judgment on the qualifications of state managers, in particular Gazprom. You have no idea about the causal relationships in the commented events.
  • Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 13 November 2020 16: 06
    -3
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Skakuas will see a holiday today.

    Still would. The engines are their production. In Irkutsk, Ruslan also crashed because of them.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 13 November 2020 16: 59
      19
      not to drag Irkutsk here, there the fuel in the system froze, because of this, all 4 dvigla stood up, of course there was no chance of taking the car away, and tell me what the engines have to do with it ?? here the complete destruction of the "cold part" of the engine with subsequent damage to the cable routes and power outage is evident, the situations are not at all similar
      1. Joker62
        Joker62 14 November 2020 10: 56
        0
        In Irkutsk, if my memory serves me correctly, the overload was above normal.
        So something has nothing to do with the engines. Everyone has their own limits.
        Wouldn't violate the cargo norms - there were no accidents.
        But business does not know the norm, it would like to cram the cargo onto the plane as much as possible, without thinking about the consequences.
        And the crew of the crashed plane was also good, especially the aircraft commander himself ...
        And here, in Novosibirsk, the aircraft commander is just handsome!
        Skillfully put the cars on the lane, despite the heaps of malfunctions. Respect to him!
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 14 November 2020 11: 09
          +1
          2 Su 27 ub in the Irkutsk side were loaded, not to call it overload so then
      2. Nitochkin
        Nitochkin 16 November 2020 14: 51
        0
        Quote: Vitaliy161
        not to drag Irkutsk here, there the fuel in the system froze, because of this, all 4 dvigla stood up, of course there was no chance of taking the car away, and tell me what the engines have to do with it ?? here the complete destruction of the "cold part" of the engine with subsequent damage to the cable routes and power outage is evident, the situations are not at all similar

        Yes, yes, the fuel is frozen, of course. This is the official version for everyone, just like, for example, with the Kursk submarine. What actually happened is what you were told.
    2. Holgerton
      Holgerton 13 November 2020 17: 00
      -7
      Here are just the engines that the Moscow Region, that Volga-Dnepr themselves are trying to service, this is the natural result of the lack of new and original spare parts, since most of these engines should have already undergone a major overhaul, but you yourself know why they most likely will not.
      1. Torins
        Torins 13 November 2020 17: 33
        -48 qualifying.
        You just need to give up these underplanes and that's it. Even the Ukrainian army strives to switch to hercules, though no one gives money for them.
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 13 November 2020 17: 58
          23
          A typical uryakl, just a little, so immediately merges on the topic of Ukraine, it is already noticeable in full that 3 convolutions do not allow deign to answer which is smarter in essence.
          On what basis was it generally concluded that I was Ukrainian? My army is the one about which they said "all the strongest."
          But okay, the ways of the insane are inscrutable.
          And now, essentially, "underplanes" you, a squeaking creature, with God forbid a complete secondary education of the era of managers, you will call Rogozin's trampolines and a misunderstanding of the IL-112V.
          Your logic defies explanation at all, An-124 "Ruslan" / Il-76/96 are "underplanes", with bad inefficient engines and generally full slag, but for some reason you tear your throats for the Il-112V and SSJ-100, which The "mighty hand of the market" is about to correct a whole heap of design defects that your own rukopop friends have done, having at hand a dozen advanced CAD systems.
          We are unlikely to build such airplanes, if only not in 10-15 years, therefore, before calling the once crown of serial aircraft construction "underplanes", which even now cannot be surpassed, look for remnants of gray matter in your skullcap.
          1. Stas Sv
            Stas Sv 13 November 2020 22: 27
            0
            I respect your point of view! hi
          2. Torins
            Torins 13 November 2020 22: 55
            +1
            You ascribe some kind of nonsense to me, most of it I did not say.
          3. Torins
            Torins 13 November 2020 22: 59
            -5
            The problem with these aircraft is that they require the attention of a no longer existing infrastructure. It is for this reason that these aircraft do not meet flight safety requirements.
        2. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 18: 01
          28
          Quote: Torins
          You just need to give up these underplanes and that's it. Even the Ukrainian army strives to switch to hercules, though no one gives money for them.

          An-124 "Ruslan" - an underplane? Strong statement! .. belay The main thing, reasonedlol
          1. Torins
            Torins 13 November 2020 23: 00
            -11 qualifying.
            Russia cannot carry out the full cycle of servicing these aircraft, which is why the expediency of their operation raises a lot of questions.
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 23: 12
              +4
              Quote: Torins
              Russia cannot carry out the full cycle of servicing these aircraft, which is why the expediency of their operation raises a lot of questions.

              Pfft! .. In history there are many examples of the operation of equipment that did not have the full support of the manufacturer! AND successful examples.
              Question about expediency and operation of the An-124 could have been installed if we had an equal or better alternative. Since it is not there, then what's the use of shaking the air in vain? However, the latter, as I noticed, is peculiar to you, forgive me ...
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 14 November 2020 10: 00
              +3
              Quote: Torins
              Russia cannot carry out the full cycle of servicing these aircraft, which is why the expediency of their operation raises a lot of questions.

              The manufacturer of this particular machine is Ulyanovsk, it seems. Or is he also in Ukraine? belay
            3. Alexander Bobrovich
              Alexander Bobrovich 14 November 2020 12: 41
              +1
              Where did you get this from? Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk carries out overhaul of An-124. And the actual operation of aviation equipment is allowed only in compliance with all the requirements of the operational documentation. Roughly speaking, if you cannot service it properly, you don't fly.
        3. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 13 November 2020 18: 31
          +9
          You just need to give up these underplanes and that's it. Even the Ukrainian army strives to switch to hercules, though no one gives money for them.


          Another "expert" with his "well-grounded" opinion))

          Even the United States used the services of these aircraft to supply troops in Afghanistan, and chartered them from Russia !!! They seem to have no problems with Hercules)).
          1. Dude
            Dude 13 November 2020 21: 44
            +2
            Even the United States used the services of these aircraft to supply troops in Afghanistan, and chartered them from Russia !!!
            Well, why are you tearing the template for a person, one might say, alive ?! You can also cause severe psychological trauma! repeat
      2. 113262a
        113262a 13 November 2020 18: 16
        +3
        Lugansk Aircraft Repair Plant to help them! Aircraft engine repair is their topic!
      3. Mik13
        Mik13 13 November 2020 18: 22
        +5
        Photos have been posted already. The remains of the engine are feathers and meat. Although, for such an engine there should be a bird the size of an ostrich ...
      4. Stas Sv
        Stas Sv 13 November 2020 22: 14
        -1
        Okay, 3 Ukrainian airlines (~ 20 aircraft, not counting "foreign" ones) operating An-12 service engines in Motor Sich ??? Don't tell my slippers. The truncation is done in the B. Church since prices are adequate. The same is happening in Ulyanovsk.
    3. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 13 November 2020 17: 11
      +8
      Quote: Nitochkin
      Still would. The engines are their production. In Irkutsk, Ruslan also crashed because of them.

      I don't know where you got this information from, but I remember that after the investigation it was said about low-quality fuel poured in Vietnam.
      At the same time, we declared this ourselves, not bearing in mind the fault of the engine manufacturers.
    4. TAMBU
      TAMBU 13 November 2020 17: 19
      0
      this is when the fuel was poured out? And then they said that the structural problems of the engine, and then flew to Zaporozhye and checked all the blades at extreme frequencies, checked the first circuit for pumping separately, then both and the whole product as a whole, then the turbine separately, the compressor separately, and then the crap flew away? yes, remember, remember ... then the tests were still carried out in minus, the summer / winter mixture was poured in different proportions ... and water was added ... many tests were carried out then ... before the conclusion became obvious ... but three motors refused immediately due to the design of the motor ... the fourth apparently did not know about it ...
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 13 November 2020 17: 49
        +4
        fatal was not even so much badly loaded kerosene as several hours of downtime of the board filled with this kerosene in the cold -30
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU 14 November 2020 01: 10
          0
          well ... as usual - a combination of critical circumstances ...
    5. Vall eremkin
      Vall eremkin 14 November 2020 12: 24
      0
      It crashed there because of ice in the fuel.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 13 November 2020 17: 20
    -2
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Skakuas will see a holiday today.

    Farts tear probably wassat good The main thing has landed and everyone is alive!
    The guilty will be punished, the plane will be restored and taken into account for the future .. The whole topic is closed! hi
  • Torins
    Torins 13 November 2020 17: 29
    -14 qualifying.
    Why would you? The image of the Ukrainian aircraft industry suffered)
  • Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 13 November 2020 17: 36
    -16 qualifying.
    NA is a serious company, if they said that exploitation is prohibited, this should be taken seriously
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 November 2020 20: 29
      16
      AN is a serious design bureau in the USSR, located in Kiev. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine! Hack it on your nose!
      1. Lynx2000
        Lynx2000 13 November 2020 23: 45
        +7
        Moreover, initially the Design Bureau under the leadership of O.K. Antonov. was formed at the Novosibirsk aircraft plant, for development on the instructions of the An-2 aircraft. Then the OKB was transferred to Kiev.
    2. Vall eremkin
      Vall eremkin 14 November 2020 12: 25
      0
      An is a bankrupt company that has not released a single new aircraft in 10 years.
  • maktub
    maktub 13 November 2020 18: 44
    -1
    On their own people are not judged
  • Borik
    Borik 13 November 2020 15: 34
    11
    It's a pity their plane and so young remained. I hope that after the repair it still flies.
    1. figwam
      figwam 13 November 2020 16: 03
      +3
      Quote: Borik
      It's a pity their plane and so young remained. I hope that after the repair it still flies.

      Yes, we don't have engines for them and we don't make such planes.
      1. Vall eremkin
        Vall eremkin 14 November 2020 12: 26
        0
        Nobody makes them, neither engines nor airplanes. Old is old.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 November 2020 15: 59
    -35 qualifying.
    Quote: El Dorado
    The main thing is that no one was hurt!

    The main thing is that the aircraft has significant design flaws, and no one "suffered" (I mean that the main systems of the ship connected with the landing approach were de-energized from the damage).
    1. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 16: 13
      27
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: El Dorado
      The main thing is that no one was hurt!

      The main thing is that the aircraft has significant design flaws, and no one "suffered" (I mean that the main systems of the ship connected with the landing approach were de-energized from the damage).

      You are our clever boy, what kind of refusal you have seen belay
      After such failures, not only "the main systems are de-energized", after them gondolas, wings, fuselages and people are chopped into stuffing, with fires and other joys!
      The ship is super reliable, which is what it showed in this LP!
      Before writing such nonsense, you would ask how many planes in the world have been lost, and how many people have died because of such failures!
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 November 2020 16: 25
        -19 qualifying.
        Firstly, the investigation into the causes of this accident has not yet been completed, so it cannot be said that it was a "refusal" or "sabotage".
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 16: 42
          10
          Quote: iouris
          Firstly, the investigation into the causes of this accident has not yet been completed, so it cannot be said that it was a "refusal" or "sabotage".

          Do not play around, refusal or sabotage - it does not matter, you mean some
          ridiculous "constructive flaws" have started the song, and now you are excluding it.
          Finish posting nonsense.
          1. iouris
            iouris 13 November 2020 16: 59
            -21 qualifying.
            "Constructive flaws" - of course. The resistance of the equipment to damage is not ensured. Whereas the reasons for the destruction of the engine that caused the equipment failure remain to be understood.
            Why are you so excited, or are you a reliability specialist?
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 17: 10
              +7
              "Design flaws" - of course. The resistance of the equipment to damage is not ensured.
              Yes, hand-face! ..
              Well, you can’t book everything on a plane all around deafly!
              Battleships had "equipment resistance to damage" orders of magnitude higher, and sometimes they were sunk wassat
              1. iouris
                iouris 13 November 2020 19: 09
                -2
                No need to book. Usually, the problem is solved by the method of redundancy and laying of communications, taking into account the most places of the most probable damage. Blade breakage or engine failure is just that case. The plane is military.
                1. Dude
                  Dude 13 November 2020 21: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: iouris
                  No need to book. Usually, the problem is solved by the method of redundancy and laying of communications, taking into account the most places of the most probable damage. Blade breakage or engine failure is just that case. The plane is military.

                  Well, I myself know the common truths. Just любые damage control measures are not a panacea. The destruction of the engine, with the separation of the fan blades, as a rule, lead to great damage. Depending on how and where it arrives, triple reservation may not be enough.
                  I quite seriously drew an analogy with battleships. Below, colleague Vitaly 161 quite reasonably noted:
                  Did the control system fail? the car was planted with minor damage, so control was not lost, right? there are a lot of emergency systems in any plane, and they all worked normally, since the car sat down quite successfully

                  The ship is really reliable.
                  1. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin 13 November 2020 22: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Dude
                    The destruction of the engine, with the separation of the fan blades, as a rule, lead to great damage.

                    It is a great happiness that we managed to plant An at all.
                    More often after such a plane falls apart in the air.
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 13 November 2020 22: 39
                      +1
                      It is a great happiness that we managed to plant An at all.
                      More often after such a plane falls apart in the air.
                      Well, I would not have dramatized that way - the A-380 over the ocean is a guarantee - not only will it not fall apart, but also not burned down, thank God (although the chances were, and rather big), and even flew and sat down normally. Depends on a lot, not always, and scattering of the blades happens.
                    2. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 14 November 2020 00: 13
                      +5
                      Quote: Dude
                      - A-380 over the ocean is the guarantee -

                      This is over Greenland which? There, the fan seemed to come off entirely and flew away, but here it seemed to be torn apart along the rim.
                    3. Dude
                      Dude 14 November 2020 00: 34
                      0
                      France in September 17th, EMNIP, when they had a fan of the 4th engine for a swim came out. wassat
                      There is a picture - one to one wassat
                    4. Dude
                      Dude 14 November 2020 00: 51
                      0
                      PS Or is it that Quontas's engine wanted to swim? I don't remember, to be honest, because of the remoteness of the events. In any case, there in both cases, NNZ, the destruction of the compressor was. I just cited this as an example of a non-fatal engine failure.
                  2. Captain Pushkin
                    Captain Pushkin 14 November 2020 11: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Dude
                    Well, I would not dramatize that, - the A-380 over the ocean is a guarantee of that - not only will not fall apart, but also will not burn

                    I think I will not be mistaken if you look at the statistics, after the scatter of the blades, which reached the airfield, several times less than those that fell.
                  3. Dude
                    Dude 14 November 2020 21: 30
                    0
                    I think I will not be mistaken if you look at the statistics, after the scatter of the blades, which reached the airfield, several times less than those that fell.
                    I will not say offhand, but, EMNIP, you are right. At least in historical retrospect. Now engine manufacturers allocate considerable efforts and funds precisely to prevent the destruction of the compressor and engine fan, with the release of debris beyond its limits.
            2. iouris
              iouris 14 November 2020 11: 55
              -1
              Quote: Dude
              The ship is really reliable.

              List at least the properties of reliability. And no one has any idea about the numerical values ​​of the aircraft reliability indicators. So this statement hung on the fence.
              1. Dude
                Dude 14 November 2020 21: 46
                0
                Quote: iouris
                Quote: Dude
                The ship is really reliable.

                List at least the properties of reliability. And no one has any idea about the numerical values ​​of the aircraft reliability indicators. So this statement hung on the fence.

                Do not consider it rude, but, in my opinion, your posts in this thread hang on the fencehi (This is all the more surprising since on many other topics your comments, although they wander on the verge of balance and maximalism, are quite accurate and reasonable.)
                I will not enumerate you in any way "properties of reliability", if I may say so, the term is game and fierce heresy wassat , which is extremely clear to any person who has completed at least 9 grades of school (not under Fursenko, of course, in this case, options are possible).
                About "numerical values ​​of reliability indicators" (your term wassat what ) has an idea of ​​a huge number of people. Their name is designers, engineers, statisticians, but it is legion.
                However, I scattered.
                I wish you well. To continue the discussion, I recommend that you master at least part of the material on the topic.
              2. iouris
                iouris 15 November 2020 11: 13
                0
                Assessment of the prevalence in society (and among specialists) of knowledge of the basics of the theory of reliability You are greatly mistaken and mislead the public. This discipline is generally excluded from bachelor training courses. And the system for collecting primary data, on the basis of which the values ​​of the main indicators of reliability were calculated, even in the USSR, was unsatisfactory, and then was completely destroyed.
                And do not shag grandmother.
              3. Dude
                Dude 15 November 2020 15: 36
                0
                ... even in the USSR it was unsatisfactory ...

                Vooot, now you have discovered the meaning of this holivar that you started! fellow
                You held out for a long time, galoshes apologist wink
                Tell me, do you inject yourself with Botex?
                Well, to be, well, just like your "leader"
                (You will excuse me, but without the quotes this definition is for the tall son of heaven (Strikethrough. Read: the genius of the Ligovsky gateways. However, I should not offend Ligovkka))
  • Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 13 November 2020 17: 10
    10
    are you an aircraft designer? that they dared to declare about some design flaws of the AN 124 series?
    1. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2020 19: 10
      -4
      Who are you? And why shouldn't I "dare"?
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 13 November 2020 16: 44
    -10 qualifying.
    Nevertheless, the second is a similar accident with Ruslan on takeoff and also in frost. Last time on earth alone 49 people were burned alive. The perpetrators were not found then, due to the fact that they did not want to spoil relations with Ukraine.
  • Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 13 November 2020 17: 03
    18
    judging by this opus, you don't even have a distant relationship to aviation, but you are trying to be smart, the Ruslans have no design flaws, otherwise they would not fly already, the power outage occurred not because of the design, but because of the destruction of a part of the engine, and therefore shrapnel broke the cable of the routes, from this not a single board is insured, they would know how many kilometers of wiring on each board, they would not be clever
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 13 November 2020 17: 22
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Vitaliy161
      "Ruslans" have no design flaws

      The commission investigating in 1997 came to different conclusions.
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 13 November 2020 17: 24
        +3
        surprise me)
    2. Bobrick
      Bobrick 14 November 2020 17: 01
      +1
      The D-18t engine has a low gas-dynamic stability margin.

      Yes, and the destruction of a part of the engine without localization was not allowed even according to Soviet standards (at least for the fan blade above the shroud shelf), and here even such strange damage.
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 14 November 2020 17: 42
        -1
        all engines are in the remains of birds, photos are available on the network, from which the 2nd engine got
  • Baloo
    Baloo 13 November 2020 17: 09
    -6
    Quote: iouris
    Quote: El Dorado
    The main thing is that no one was hurt!

    The main thing is that the aircraft has significant design flaws, and no one "suffered" (I mean that the main systems of the ship connected with the landing approach were de-energized from the damage).

    iouris (iouris is right. I am far from aviation, but do these planes have an emergency backup power supply for the control system? This is strange.
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 13 November 2020 17: 35
      12
      Did the control system fail? the car was planted with minor damage, so control was not lost, right? there are a lot of emergency systems in any plane, and they all worked normally, since the car sat down quite successfully
      1. iouris
        iouris 14 November 2020 12: 27
        0
        The causes of the accident have yet to be established. The consequences of an emergency landing have yet to be assessed. And what was denied in the air, and what risks the crew and cargo were exposed to, this is not reported. We will watch.
    2. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 17: 37
      +7
      Quote: Balu
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: El Dorado
      The main thing is that no one was hurt!

      The main thing is that the aircraft has significant design flaws, and no one "suffered" (I mean that the main systems of the ship connected with the landing approach were de-energized from the damage).

      iouris (iouris is right. I am far from aviation, but do these planes have an emergency backup power supply for the control system? This is strange.

      Flying engine fragments are shrapnel. Reservation may not be enough. It depends on where it goes.
      1. not main
        not main 13 November 2020 22: 15
        0
        Quote: Dude
        Flying engine fragments are shrapnel.

        The worst thing! When the compressor scatters and the blades fly in all directions and after seconds only the turbines remain from the engine. And judging by the wreckage, that's what happened. The main thing is that there are those who can testify!
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 22: 57
          0
          Quote: non-primary
          Quote: Dude
          Flying engine fragments are shrapnel.

          The worst thing! When the compressor scatters and the blades fly in all directions and after seconds only the turbines remain from the engine. And judging by the wreckage, that's what happened. The main thing is that there are those who can testify!

          And there is!
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 14 November 2020 00: 26
      +2
      Quote: Balu
      no emergency backup power supply for the control system? This is strange.

      And if the emergency buses are damaged after the jumper?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 November 2020 16: 51
    +3
    The main thing is that it does not become a system, otherwise the plane is very expensive, this is not a Chinese craft with Ali, this is a piece goods. ..
  • Locksmith
    Locksmith 14 November 2020 21: 53
    0
    The pilots are cold-blooded and trained as they should, it pleases. And sooner or later the planes will have to be changed to new and modern ones, the main thing is that everyone is alive.
  • Asad
    Asad 13 November 2020 15: 32
    +2
    They will fix it! The main thing is that everyone is alive and well!
    1. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 15: 41
      31
      Quote: ASAD
      They will fix it! The main thing is that everyone is alive and well!

      What will be repaired is not a fact, even if there is a plant nearby - you need to look at what deformations, nevertheless, landing immediately after takeoff, they sat down gently, but rolled out due to the lack of brakes, the strut was broken, and the wing was heavy ... there is damage to the fuselage.
      But the crew are handsome! good Very difficult refusals, but we did it! Thank God, we were lucky with the weather.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 13 November 2020 15: 55
        +4
        Quote: Dude
        Quote: ASAD
        They will fix it! The main thing is that everyone is alive and well!

        What will be repaired is not a fact, even if there is a plant nearby - you need to look at what deformations, nevertheless, landing immediately after takeoff, they sat down gently, but rolled out due to the lack of brakes, the strut was broken, and the wing was heavy ... there is damage to the fuselage.

        An-70 in the accident near Omsk visually suffered more. Restored.
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 15: 58
          +4
          An-70 in the accident near Omsk visually suffered more. Restored.
          Yes, I also remembered that incident. But here the car is heavier, after all, and even with the design bureau, it is difficult to interact ...
          Let's hope, of course!
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 13 November 2020 16: 06
            +8
            We have all the documentation in Ulyanovsk. So the rules, but the problem with the engine, there are Dashki
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 16: 16
              +4
              Yes, 18th.
              But besides the documentation, there are also nuances ...
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 13 November 2020 17: 47
              0
              Why don't we have a single reserve D-18?
          2. Reviews
            Reviews 13 November 2020 16: 38
            +4
            Quote: Dude
            An-70 in the accident near Omsk visually suffered more. Restored.
            Yes, I also remembered that incident. But here the car is heavier

            It is not the flight weight that matters, but the actual damage. While the damage of the An-124 looks much less than that of the An-70.
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 16: 45
              +3
              It is not the flight weight that matters, but the actual damage. While the damage of the An-124 looks much less than that of the An-70.
              It will even play a role when rolling out and when exceeding the maximum landing, for example. It is on the severity of physical injury. Visual inspection and comparison of damage, and even from a photo, to put it mildly, is not enough.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 13 November 2020 16: 50
                +4
                Quote: Dude
                It will even play a role when rolling out and when exceeding the maximum landing, for example. It is on the severity of physical injury.

                Damn it. Do not think that only you know these words and only you know that "other things being equal, more weight leads to more damage." This plays a role in predicting when the landing is still ahead. Now we can see the finish line. Do you see any damage to the fuselage? Me not. And on the An-70 they can be seen even with closed eyes, it was almost torn apart. What can we say in retrospect about the mass? She is already all on the ground.
                1. Dude
                  Dude 13 November 2020 16: 59
                  +2
                  Do you see any damage to the fuselage? Me not.
                  And this, as with that gopher ...request yes
                  I repeat: judging damage from a photo is a thankless task.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 13 November 2020 17: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Dude
                    judging damage from a photo is a thankless task.

                    And I'm not judging, you have already said that they are big.
                    I only wrote the following:
                    An-70 (...) visually suffered more.
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 13 November 2020 17: 28
                      -3
                      I only wrote the following:
                      An-70 (...) visually suffered more.
                      ... and I am with this observationIncidentally, I did not argue.
                      In general, we are talking about almost the same thing, only in different words))).
                      1. Dude
                        Dude 13 November 2020 18: 08
                        -1
                        .And I'm not judging, you have already said that they are big.

                        Link to a my statement is possible? You're lying, I didn't write that ...
          3. Rusland
            Rusland 13 November 2020 16: 48
            +4
            They were collected in Ulyanovsk, and not in Kiev. And they bring to mind in the same place. So be hands down, buddy.
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 17: 02
              +1
              So be hands-off, buddy.
              And I always - prepare for the worst, but hope for the best wink
              1. Rusland
                Rusland 13 November 2020 17: 10
                0
                Quote: Dude
                So be hands-off, buddy.
                And I always - prepare for the worst, but hope for the best wink

                At the same time, being on the sidelines, like an extra, and then, I AM saying. wink
                1. Dude
                  Dude 13 November 2020 17: 14
                  -1
                  At the same time, being on the sidelines, like an extra, and then, I AM saying. wink
                  Don't judge people by yourself wink
                  1. Rusland
                    Rusland 13 November 2020 17: 34
                    -1
                    No need to wag, it can be seen from your presentation of thought. yes
                    1. Dude
                      Dude 13 November 2020 17: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: Rusland
                      No need to wag, it can be seen from your presentation of thought. yes

                      (Wearily:)
                      Do not need to say what I need to do, further in the text, kompren wu?
                      You have already pumped up 100500 posts of lyrics, and about my presentation of thoughts, and about my khataskrajnost, and about my lowered hands crying
                      Do you have any personal dislike for me? Welkam in a personal, if you have something to say on the case, why clog the branch?
        2. iouris
          iouris 14 November 2020 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Avis
          An-70 in an accident near Omsk

          ... was the first and last An-70.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 14 November 2020 12: 27
            0
            Quote: iouris
            Quote: Avis
            An-70 in an accident near Omsk

            ... was the first and last An-70.

            ... second and hopefully extreme. And the first one crashed.
      2. K-612-O
        K-612-O 13 November 2020 16: 00
        15
        Not just handsome men, heroes! 85 tons of cargo, full tanks, no communication, instrument entry + no engine. They must be given an order! soldier
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 16: 21
          +3
          They must be given an order! soldier
          I agree completely. I don’t want to belittle anyone’s merits, but here, oh, how difficult it was, and they even managed without a cornfield!
          The cool crew, unambiguously, have worked 10 points on a 5-point basis!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 13 November 2020 17: 42
            +2
            I understand that they somehow had to turn the plane without having height and speed? That is, there was a possible option to plant in "corn", but they risked deploying to the airfield?
            1. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 17: 51
              +4
              Quote: Stas157
              I understand that they somehow had to turn the plane without having height and speed? That is, there was a possible option to plant in "corn", but they risked deploying to the airfield?

              Fortunately, the height and speed were enough for them, although the turn, in the vicinity of the neighbor, was, let's say, exciting ... The highest level of the crew, no questions asked!
      3. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 13 November 2020 16: 53
        +3
        the weather was still lucky.

        That's for sure - then it turns out they were planted not blind, but deaf)))
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 17: 04
          0
          Quote: Archivist Vasya
          the weather was still lucky.

          That's for sure - then it turns out they were planted not blind, but deaf)))

          Well, you could say that)))
        2. Rzzz
          Rzzz 14 November 2020 00: 36
          +1
          Quote: Archivist Vasya
          the weather was still lucky.

          That's for sure - then it turns out they were planted not blind, but deaf)))

          By the way, that's also nonsense in aviation. On the steamer, you have three battery-operated walkie-talkies a meter behind you. He reached out his hand and took it. For some reason these do not.
      4. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 13 November 2020 17: 09
        +7

        By the way, a closer photo and from the front. Tell me what? Will the bird still live?
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 17: 18
          +4
          Will the bird still live?

          judging damage from a photo is a thankless task.

          Visually, it's not all that bad. But what about the power set, you can't tell from the photo.
          Of course, I would like the board to still fly, there are not so many of them.
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 14 November 2020 01: 16
            +3
            Quote: Dude
            Visually, it's not all that bad.

            Visually, everything is very bad :( Cracks in the center wing section on the right in the photo. Cracks at the top of the fuselage on the left. In general, the car for parsing.: ((

            Ruslan is very sorry of course. :(
            1. Dude
              Dude 14 November 2020 02: 59
              +1
              Cracks in the wing center section on the right in the photo.
              For the wing, I agree most of all. It may be easier to pick up something that stands at the fence, and this one cannibalize (((
              Recovery of LH after this is not easy. It is not yet clear what is below him, in the NEP area.
        2. figwam
          figwam 13 November 2020 17: 35
          +6
          Quote: LifeIsGood
          Will the bird still live?

          It looks like the fan wheel scattered and punched through the fuselage, the main thing is that nothing caught fire, the plane will probably go for spare parts.
          1. Genry
            Genry 13 November 2020 17: 56
            0
            Quote: figvam
            probably the plane will go for parts.

            It is also a transporter made of luminium. Everything is straightened and .... At the very least, the section is changing.
            1. figwam
              figwam 13 November 2020 18: 07
              +2
              Quote: Genry
              This is a transporter and made of luminium

              All aircraft are made of aluminum.
              There, the front pillar broke, probably damaged the power elements, and the main pillars were damaged the same. Usually a group of specialists came from the manufacturer's plant and carried out a defect diagnosis of components and assemblies, in this case, either remove the parts from another non-flying one, or disassemble this board for parts.
            2. Dude
              Dude 13 November 2020 18: 14
              +2
              Quote: Genry
              Quote: figvam
              probably the plane will go for parts.

              It is also a transporter made of luminium. Everything is straightened and .... At the very least, the section is changing.

              This is a luminous transporter with a dry weight under 180 tons, just in case. If it were that simple ...
        3. minus
          minus 13 November 2020 18: 08
          +1
          Well, these photos were thrown off




          1. minus
            minus 13 November 2020 18: 11
            +5
            Like a bird got into a turbine


            1. figwam
              figwam 13 November 2020 18: 24
              +4
              Quote: Minus
              Like a bird got into a turbine

              And probably not alone.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 November 2020 19: 48
              -3
              It would not be enough for such a fan to break even a few birds.
        4. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 13 November 2020 22: 52
          0
          Very doubtful ... Power elements are damaged. If the a / c is profitable, then they will try to restore. IMHO
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2020 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: ASAD
      They will fix it!

      They won't "fix" it. They're probably fixing old pants.
      Recoverable equipment objects "restore", i.e. transferred from a faulty state to a good one.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 13 November 2020 15: 33
    +3
    Will they disassemble it now?
    1. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 15: 48
      +4
      Depends on damage.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 November 2020 15: 38
    +6
    Thank God no one was hurt.
    I feel sorry for the bird.
  • Vitaly161
    Vitaly161 13 November 2020 15: 41
    23
    Ah yes crew, Ah yes hammers !!! on 3 engines, loaded, tucked under the neck, yes de-energized .... the guys have titanium eggs, I hope they will pour 50 hot, for the 2nd birthday)
    1. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 15: 47
      19
      Quote: Vitaliy161
      Ah yes crew, Ah yes hammers !!! on 3 engines, loaded, tucked under the neck, yes de-energized .... the guys have titanium eggs, I hope they will pour 50 hot, for the 2nd birthday)

      There was also information that the 1st at 0,7 denomination, even after stopping, threshed ... If it was also this, then the situation was generally awful ... With a raznotyag, no electricity, no reverse, no brakes ... Thank God , even though there was visibility, they would dive into the clouds - write, it's gone ...
      The crew is definitely cool! good
      1. Vitaly161
        Vitaly161 13 November 2020 15: 50
        +8
        Yes, such situations one in a million happen, guys are great, and after all, there was not even such a speed ... but one mistake and a disaster ..... nerves are iron, I am amazed at such people)
        1. Dude
          Dude 13 November 2020 15: 54
          +7
          Yes, the failures are dangerous ... The stock in speed and height is minuscule! ..
          Ideal actions of the crew in the most difficult environment, with a tight time deficit.
          Worked like a well-tuned orchestra!
          1. Vitaly161
            Vitaly161 13 November 2020 16: 23
            +1
            perfectly tuned orchestra)) at such moments there is no time to think, pilots from God are definitely
  • A009
    A009 13 November 2020 15: 43
    10
    Judging by the photo, the left engine fan exploded during takeoff. Damaged the fuselage and lines.
    1. Dude
      Dude 13 November 2020 15: 50
      +4
      Quote: A009
      Judging by the photo, the left engine fan exploded during takeoff. Damaged the fuselage and lines.

      According to the information and photos, this is exactly how - the destruction of the 2nd, then the failure of the electrician.
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    3. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 November 2020 17: 15
      +6
      That's it! And the flying fragments have done things - on the rod warhead of a sickly anti-aircraft missile!
      AND! Nevertheless - the crew is great !!!!
  • askort154
    askort154 13 November 2020 15: 54
    +6
    The crew is a pro !!! Take off with a swing. takeoff weight, and then land with a reverse course, even on a serviceable plane, is not so easy. Well done! The plane, and even such, of course, it's a pity.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 13 November 2020 16: 03
      +1
      Nothing, they will fix it at Aviastar, they learned it long ago. But the guys definitely need to give out Kuruvazier's box!
  • Errr
    Errr 13 November 2020 15: 57
    +3
    Obviously the fan has blown away. Not weak.
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 13 November 2020 16: 07
      +6
      Quote: Herrr
      Obviously the fan has blown away. Not weak.


      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 13 November 2020 17: 09
        +2
        It is quite hard to believe that either the fan or the compressor is scattered with blades! Then the loss of electricity is understandable (the power lines were interrupted) and the non-release of the chassis (the hydraulics also got it) ..
        And in this case (broken cable routes) the presence of batteries is just about nothing!
        1. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 13 November 2020 21: 05
          0
          the landing gear went out (there is an emergency system), due to the fact that the heavy one was off the runway, the nose strut broke down, the main whole
    2. not main
      not main 13 November 2020 23: 31
      0
      Quote: Herrr
      Obviously the fan has blown away. Not weak.

      Not a fan! And the compressor! And these are different concepts!
      1. Errr
        Errr 14 November 2020 10: 36
        +2
        1. The fact that the fan and the compressor in the turbojet engine are different units I am aware of.
        2. Considering the size of the holes in the fuselage of the An-124, which made an emergency landing at Tolmachevo, and the fact that during the destruction of the left internal engine, no more than a third of the front part of its engine nacelle was cut off, I can even argue that in this case it was the worker who was destroyed fan wheels, not low or high pressure compressors located exactly behind the fan, because with the destruction of the LPC or HPC, the engine nacelle would be destroyed much more (up to half) instead of the third of its length, and the holes in the fuselage would be much smaller than the existing ones, due to the spread of much smaller compressor blades. At the same time, moreover, the elements of the mechanization of the aircraft wing (slats) would most likely suffer.
        3. For a complete understanding, consider carefully the photo and drawing of the D-18T turbojet engine. The number 1 in the drawing indicates the fan impeller. Pay particular attention to how deep the fan is in the nacelle.


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        2. d.zhuk2010
          d.zhuk2010 14 November 2020 13: 54
          +2
          I partially agree. But the expansion of the KVD and KND would not cause much damage to the nacelle. It looks like this, for clarity.
          1. Errr
            Errr 14 November 2020 14: 04
            +2
            Thanks for the photo. hi
            I was just trying to explain to my friend that it was the fan that barked, and not the compressor. smile
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 14 November 2020 11: 17
      0
      Wasn't it possible to turn off the engine and fly in three?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 13 November 2020 15: 59
    -5
    What the hell, the plane is making an emergency landing, and there is not a single fire, but what if it did?
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 13 November 2020 16: 19
      +3
      Watch the video. Everything will become clear.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 14 November 2020 12: 27
        -1
        Revised, gazelles, Zhiguli, Volga, one or two emergency gangs, when the board had already fallen, but not fire.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 13 November 2020 16: 00
    +3
    looks like the destruction of the engine, it is clear that parts of the destroyed turbine pierced the hull
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 November 2020 16: 04
      +1
      On the way, the Ukrainian D 18s began to get tired and this is a bad signal for all Ruslans.
      1. TAMBU
        TAMBU 13 November 2020 17: 23
        -1
        I think so too ... but in principle, for such masses, the time has come ...
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 13 November 2020 16: 04
    0
    Well done pilots! But the reasons need to be understood. I remembered the landing of the Superjet. How many times easier, but the pilots failed.
  • faiver
    faiver 13 November 2020 16: 10
    +5
    respect and respect to the crew
  • Victorio
    Victorio 13 November 2020 16: 12
    +6
    sorry, such hard workers are now on a special account
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 13 November 2020 16: 16
    +5
    Well done pilots were able to land the emergency car ... playing with death in their favor.
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 13 November 2020 16: 36
    +6
    Birds getting into the engine. We've updated this news a long time ago .. All engines are covered in blood and feathers.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 13 November 2020 17: 05
      +2
      So why the de-energization of the entire board ?! There is a triple duplication of systems, if my senile marasmus does not change me ..
      1. not main
        not main 13 November 2020 23: 50
        0
        Quote: Turist1996
        So why the de-energization of the entire board ?! There is a triple duplication of systems, if my senile marasmus does not change me ..

        I explain on my fingers in the TVRD, there is a compressor and a turbine. of course, and the fan If any of these units are destroyed, it will not seem a little! And also the blades fly at a speed exceeding the speed of a bullet! And when it got on board ... where did it go?
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 November 2020 19: 18
      0
      Sorry for the bird. Not the first and not the last case of a bird getting into an aircraft engine, but the consequences are ... dire. Probably, something in the conservatory needs to be corrected after all.
  • t-12
    t-12 13 November 2020 16: 42
    -3
    The plane was completely de-energized. That is, neither external nor internal communication - nothing.

    The pilot-in-command reported a refusal and requested an emergency landing.

    If there was no connection, how did the PIC report the refusal and requested landing?

    And in general, I thought that the connection should be duplicated, incl. with redundant power supply (that is, with batteries).
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 13 November 2020 16: 56
      -1
      Watch the video. All the negotiations are there.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 13 November 2020 16: 50
    +3
    It's a pity the plane, probably won't take off after the accident. But I am glad that people are still alive.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 13 November 2020 17: 03
    -2
    I am glad that no one was hurt!
    But the failure of one of the engines, as a result of which the entire electrical system of the ship failed - this is something outrageous! Well, either the compressor blades worked like the core equipment of an anti-aircraft missile warhead.
  • AnderS
    AnderS 13 November 2020 17: 10
    -12 qualifying.
    Oh, wow, the bad Soviet galoshes again almost brought 14 people under the monastery. We ourselves do not make such shoes now, because we are busy kneeling ...
    1. A009
      A009 13 November 2020 17: 31
      +2
      Do you consider yourself an adequate person?
      1. Dude
        Dude 13 November 2020 18: 19
        +3
        I think it was sarcasm)))
  • dimasik-nl
    dimasik-nl 13 November 2020 17: 15
    -1
    And only at the end of the strip, a voice-over says that emergency services should go to the emergency site, but what if it caught fire like sszh100 in sheremetevo? I thought that on the tower people do not use swear words, but only professional ones.
  • deniso
    deniso 13 November 2020 17: 52
    0
    What a good plane Ruslan - and with a broken engine, without communication, after an explosion, it can land without killing anyone
  • Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 13 November 2020 18: 15
    -1
    I'm embarrassed to ask .... why along the "takeoff" ALREADY there were no fire brigades or technical assistance from the airport service !? if they puffed, they would have had time .... why is it like this with us? winked reaction from the "tower" that it would break the chassis ... and then they gave a signal to the special equipment to go to the rescue. BARDAK IN OUR STATE !!! .... and when it will all stop ... it is not known
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 14 November 2020 00: 16
      +3
      I'm embarrassed to ask .... why along the "takeoff" ALREADY there were no fire brigades or technical assistance from the airport service !? if they puffed, they would have had time .... why is it like this with us?

      For gladiolus! The manager did the right thing - before assessing the situation, no action.
      And what if he drove into the preset KAMAZ firefighter? Or to the compassionate URAL techies?
  • Aag
    Aag 13 November 2020 19: 11
    +1
    "... It is possible to sequentially start the motors in any random sequence or to accelerate automatic start (1-3-2-4).

    The engine operation modes are controlled by mechanical movement of the throttle control. It is also possible to automatically control the operation of the engines by the autothrottle actuators (IMAT) from the automatic flight control system (ACS). The engine has an autonomous oil system under pressure, ... "
    "... The auxiliary power units, right and left, are located in the landing gear nacelles. The APU provides electricity and compressed air to aircraft systems when parked at airfields, starting the main engines on the ground and in the air (with a twist) and can be used in the air if necessary up to altitude 9000 m (launch up to 7000 m) ... "
    "... The aircraft uses a fuel quality control system, the presence of water in the fuel and a centralized fuel sludge drain system ..."
    "... Efforts from the steering wheel and pedals are transmitted by means of tubular rods and cables. ..."
    "... The landing gear allows the aircraft to be operated from unpaved runways ..."
    Can someone from the experts be able to explain how the failure (destruction) of one engine could lead to such consequences, - complete blackout, loss of external and internal communication? How did this affect aircraft piloting?
    The next question is to ground services. Ravines begin behind the runway? Why did an aircraft designed for takeoff and landing from the ground, with a solid load, but not maximum, broke down there? The speed, judging by the video, even without reverse (?), At the time of rolling out, was lower takeoff.
    As for the work of the tower ... Of course, the calmness (do not care?), The regularity (slowness?) Captivates. The dialogues are more like the comments of the authors from U-tube, but the mobile operators communicate more dynamically, more literately, more functional. In my understanding, if only that the board that took off silently goes to the glide path, it is not because the PIC forgot the phone or keys ... Accordingly, all services are in place! Further, according to the situation, or the command, what, there are no clear algorithms of actions?
    Is it possible that in an LA with a cost of under 300 gray lamas (in the current conditions) there are no backup, emergency e-mails. routes, automatic, manual energy control, SDU?
    Chew, please. hi
    Supporters of comments such as: "Doo-ak!", Please do not strain. stop
    1. Vitaly161
      Vitaly161 13 November 2020 21: 12
      +2
      the plane was landing with a full takeoff weight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 150 tons of kerosene + 84 tons of cargo !!!! all your further cheek puffing is in vain, and why should the guys sit on the tower? touched the runway gently (the chassis withstood the full takeoff weight), well, rolled out of the runway, no fire, then what? Why panic? yes, the car can land on the main runway, but not with the full take-off weight, from this the nose strut formed as if it came out to the ground because it was heavy, everything was reserved there 3 times, the damage was not weak near the fuselage, the reserve routes were also hooked, and so all the emergency systems worked normally (the chassis went out and stood at an emphasis) the crew retained the control of the car, then they did not have time to count the height and speed, yes, and so the crew are heroes, they left such a scrape
      1. Aag
        Aag 14 November 2020 15: 35
        0
        "... Payload: 120 kg
        Length: 69,1 m
        Wingspan: 73,3 m
        Height: 21,08 m
        Wing area: 628 m²
        Weight empty: 178 400 kg
        Maximum takeoff weight: 392 000 kg
        Fuel weight in internal tanks: 212 350 kg (maximum) ... "
        From Wiki ..
        "... the plane was landing with full take-off weight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 150 tons of kerosene + 84 tons of cargo !!!! .."
        From your comment.
        The question is, where is the truth? (I think very few people know yet).
        "... in mass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..."
        Don't shout like that ..
        I think punctuation marks could be distributed more rationally throughout the commentary, however, like capital letters (although, nowadays, other rules are held in high esteem, sometimes excluding the rules of the Russian language ...)
        Vitaly, I do not want any confrontation, measuring competencies (not special) ... No "cheek puffing"! There is indignation ... There is a loss of competence and professionalism almost everywhere, and by everyone. (And, apparently, the problem is not a performing one, not at the level of performers, but a complex one. providing, or (and) in a larger volume ...) hi
    2. irontom
      irontom 13 November 2020 22: 23
      +7
      I am not familiar with the design of Ruslan, but from engineering experience, I studied everything domestic, from the An-2 to the Il-86, now I work at the Airbus specialist B1. The blades of the destroyed compressor can be seen in the photo as a machine-gun burst through the fuselage, and on the way there were wiring and electrical system units, the plane was completely de-energized. Fortunately, the hydro system remained working, without it there was everything.
      On Soviet aircraft, the control system is such (hydro-mechanical) that it can be controlled even completely de-energized. On modern electronic Tamagotchi, alas, without electricity, death.
      1. Aag
        Aag 14 November 2020 16: 29
        0
        "... The blades of the destroyed compressor can be seen in the photograph as a machine-gun burst pierced the fuselage, and on the way there were wiring and electrical components ..."
        Similar thoughts arose. However ... Okay, engines of the same plane ... I guess that piloting with two engines on the same plane is extremely problematic, in the conditions of takeoff and landing, perhaps it is impossible, or extremely limited. But if one engine collapsed, Why did this lead to the failure of everyone else? And most importantly, to the failure of the control system? An extremely unfortunate coincidence of circumstances? And communication? In general, it is difficult to explain the consequence under modern conditions ...
        "... On Soviet aircraft, the control system is such (hydro-mechanical) that it can be operated even completely de-energized. On modern electronic Tamagotchi, alas ..."
        Annuka is still Soviet. At least, in the project. "Hydro-mechanical" - apparently, slyness. For how to accumulate a pressure reserve in a system without gas? In the absence of engines, APU? I understand, only reservoirs with HP energy gas.
        Yes, not an expert. That is why I ask questions. I hoped for sensible explanations ...
        After all, as it happens! TK, design solutions, the embodiment of manufacturers, the aspirations of the operators are very different ...
        As an example, many probably know about the existence of an air starting system for diesel internal combustion engines. The main purpose of this is to start the engine in the absence (mismatch) of voltage in the on-board network, a malfunction of the starting system (electric starter), etc. As an operator of a PGRK " Poplar ", I can say that it was decided not in the best way there (MAZ -7917). Apparently, for the sake of the driver-mechanic, they put a button that controls the electric valve for supplying HP air to the cylinders. Convenient. the valve will not work, the engine will not start. Why then everything? (The collective farm or, of course, the batteries were collected from flashlights ...) It was easier on MAZ-543, -true, two people, one driving, the other just valves on unscrews the cylinders.
        So maybe something is wrong on the outstanding (without irony) An-124?
        hi
        1. irontom
          irontom 14 November 2020 18: 48
          +1
          Without working engines, the plane flew close, just fell, it was a steep dive and a mouthful of earth. Takeoff is one of the most dangerous modes for an aircraft.
          In this case, fortunately, the plane with full refueling and loading, and significantly exceeding the landing weight for which a safe landing is designed. Usually, when there is an opportunity, the aircraft tries to run out of fuel or if there is a constructive opportunity to drain excess fuel.
          Here is the skill of the commander of a neatly overloaded aircraft, not to mention the fact that they turned around visually without instruments and went in the opposite direction to the runway.
          Here, 3 motors worked, and the hydro-mechanical control system of the throttle (engine control sticks) for the pilots, thrust, and the fuel unit on the motor. The crew could control the work and thrust of the motors. But eyeballs since they did not have an indication of the operating modes of the motors due to power outage.
          Control - rods from the steering wheel and pedals on the steering surfaces of the hydro units that deflect the steering wheels by a mechanical command of the rods, for each hydraulic unit its own independent unit for reliability. In automatic mode, control from electric commands on the same units.
          On Ruslan there are 4 "independent" hydraulic systems with a drive for each system from its own engine, as a result, the crew most likely had three HS, but the plane would be controllable even with one HS. To control the aircraft, constant pressure in the HM is required. The hydro battery lasts a maximum of a couple of steering movements. The main duty of Hydro Acc-ra is to extinguish pressure pulsations and the parking brake on the ground.
          The crew was "lucky" that they only lost power, there was no fire, and the hydraulic system remained operational. The aircraft cannot be controlled without pressure in at least one HS. In the 90s of the Tu-154 of Vladivostok Airlines in Irkutsk, the starter disk collapsed and chopped the tubes of the hydraulic compartment which the Tu-154M had in the tail between the engines - that's all.
          1. Aag
            Aag 15 November 2020 19: 37
            0
            Quote: irontom
            Without working engines, the plane flew close, just fell, it was a steep dive and a mouthful of earth. Takeoff is one of the most dangerous modes for an aircraft.
            In this case, fortunately, the plane with full refueling and loading, and significantly exceeding the landing weight for which a safe landing is designed. Usually, when there is an opportunity, the aircraft tries to run out of fuel or if there is a constructive opportunity to drain excess fuel.
            Here is the skill of the commander of a neatly overloaded aircraft, not to mention the fact that they turned around visually without instruments and went in the opposite direction to the runway.
            Here, 3 motors worked, and the hydro-mechanical control system of the throttle (engine control sticks) for the pilots, thrust, and the fuel unit on the motor. The crew could control the work and thrust of the motors. But eyeballs since they did not have an indication of the operating modes of the motors due to power outage.
            Control - rods from the steering wheel and pedals on the steering surfaces of the hydro units that deflect the steering wheels by a mechanical command of the rods, for each hydraulic unit its own independent unit for reliability. In automatic mode, control from electric commands on the same units.
            On Ruslan there are 4 "independent" hydraulic systems with a drive for each system from its own engine, as a result, the crew most likely had three HS, but the plane would be controllable even with one HS. To control the aircraft, constant pressure in the HM is required. The hydro battery lasts a maximum of a couple of steering movements. The main duty of Hydro Acc-ra is to extinguish pressure pulsations and the parking brake on the ground.
            The crew was "lucky" that they only lost power, there was no fire, and the hydraulic system remained operational. The aircraft cannot be controlled without pressure in at least one HS. In the 90s of the Tu-154 of Vladivostok Airlines in Irkutsk, the starter disk collapsed and chopped the tubes of the hydraulic compartment which the Tu-154M had in the tail between the engines - that's all.

            Thank you for the detailed answer. We clarified something in general terms (the principles are already clear). Only the question: are the HS not duplicated?
            I am aware of some of the Irkutsk flying adventures of the 90s. As is often the case, the information from the participants differs from the officially announced ...
    3. Kerensky
      Kerensky 14 November 2020 00: 53
      -1
      Chew, please.

      if a board that has just taken off silently goes to the glide path, it is not because the PIC forgot his phone or keys ...

      Some even managed to forget the pistils in the tube. And what is to him? Shouting on the air under the recording, - "Natasha! I left the gun on the windowsill, go and take it."
      Accordingly, all services are in place! Further according to the situation, or the command, what, there are no clear algorithms of actions?

      The services were already in place. There are algorithms - everyone works on the command of the leader.
      1. Aag
        Aag 14 November 2020 17: 14
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        "... And what is he? Shout on the air under the recording, -" Natasha! I left the gun on the windowsill, go and get it "...."
        Covertly, I could hint.))) But they WILL NOT RETURN!? SILENT ...
        "... The services were already in place. There are algorithms, - everyone works at the command of the head ...."
        Neither the video nor the speech of the "leader" can be seen ...
        The algorithms, for sure, are in the job descriptions. Most likely, they are correct, written by experience, in blood ... The question is how accurate is it, they are promptly executed ...
        You must have noticed what kind of people became "plague". One statement from the media (though two years ago) is worth it: ... million rubles have been allocated to train traffic police officers to provide the first emergency medical treatment. assistance in case of an accident ... It seems that it used to be in terms of training drivers of any category ... Now it's not about "cuts". And the article for "failure to provide assistance" has not been canceled ... clings ... 60% -70% of witnesses pass by. Of the remaining 40% -30%, 50% stop in violation of traffic regulations. Most of them to film what is happening on the telephone line. Another half of those who dare to approach the injured car shoot a picture. Another tenth call in the rescue service. Five people are busy evacuating the victims. A few guess to turn off the battery, to interrogate, examine the victims (emergency aid, fortunately, was not required). Why did we become so "crooked", not even capable?
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 14 November 2020 22: 05
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          Observation from life: a car flies off the highway, does not touch anyone ... 60% -70% of witnesses pass by. Of the remaining 40% -30%, 50% stop in violation of traffic rules. Most of them to film what is happening on the TLF. Another half of those who dare to get closer to the injured car they take a picture. Another tenth of them calls the rescue services. Five people are busy evacuating the injured. Only a few guess to turn off the battery, interrogate, examine the victims (emergency aid, fortunately, was not required). capable?

          Alexander.
          This is not us. This environment is changing. I told the children:
          - Will you be certified as a paramedic, explosives technician, high altitude, gas rescuer ...
          - No dads, we need Minecraft ...
          Everything. There will be no keen, - the keen drunkard.
          At the crossroads in the Tver region, there are two shifters. Yes, about 20 people are filming. A man from my crew (we were passing by) turned off the battery and poured it onto my hands from a canister. When the audience took this selfie, they tried to help me - to pull out two 300s with an open head injury and an epistrophy fracture. Well, I myself got the girl with a fractured hip.
          Why am I? AND! Nobody needs it now!
          In defiance, I was told that the father had already consecrated this intersection three times ...
          1. Aag
            Aag 15 November 2020 19: 10
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            "... This is not us. This environment is changing ..."
            This is now being justified by some. The environment always changed, and hardly when it was friendly. But the attitude to business, those around it happened to be better ...
            "... Father has already blessed this crossroads three times ....."
            Well, yes. They are looking for the extreme now even there ... As the saying goes: "Trust in Allah, but tie the camel!"
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 16 November 2020 04: 55
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              But the attitude to business, those around it happened to be better ...

              Alexander
              I had a chance to serve as the head of the operative-rescue squad of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Moscow, South port. Just then the houses were blown up on Vernadsky.
              We, according to the OPD, had to inspect our attics and basements. I, by the power given to me, had the right to sign civilians. So young people signed up "for fun and for fun." The girls at the base prepared food, washed their clothes (and where without that ?!) The boy (I can't even remember his name), charged all the batteries and delivered them to the groups on a bike.
              Why am I? And besides, you're right! My neighbor is now dying on the ground floor with the dog ... Yes, there was the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, an ambulance (grandmother had a vague consciousness - they did not even check it) and everyone left - none of our business!
              1. Aag
                Aag 16 November 2020 05: 12
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                Quote: Kerensky
                But the attitude to business, those around it happened to be better ...

                Alexander
                I had a chance to serve as the head of the operative-rescue squad of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Moscow, South port. Just then the houses were blown up on Vernadsky.
                We, according to the OPD, had to inspect our attics and basements. I, by the power given to me, had the right to sign civilians. So young people signed up "for fun and for fun." The girls at the base prepared food, washed their clothes (and where without that ?!) The boy (I can't even remember his name), charged all the batteries and delivered them to the groups on a bike.
                Why am I? And besides, you're right! My neighbor is now dying on the ground floor with the dog ... Yes, there was the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, an ambulance (grandmother had a vague consciousness - they did not even check it) and everyone left - none of our business!

                So I am about the same ... ((((((
  • Taoist
    Taoist 13 November 2020 20: 15
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    Judging by the picture - the destruction of the engine compressor as a result of surge (debris of the blades and pierced the fezulage and damaged the wiring). Most likely I caught the bird on takeoff ...
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    1. iouris
      iouris 14 November 2020 11: 59
      +1
      These are "harsh Chelyabinsk dispatchers". They are so harsh ...
  • d.zhuk2010
    d.zhuk2010 13 November 2020 20: 20
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    Can someone name the engine number? They are all like children or patients to me. For fifteen years I have been participating in their repair and modernization. I remember almost everyone. During all this time, it was irretrievably lost, after colossal destruction, only two D-18s. I'm interested in the last six digits of the individual number.
    1. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 14 November 2020 00: 04
      +1
      It is unlikely that they will answer you here. IMHO
    2. iouris
      iouris 14 November 2020 14: 54
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      Quote: d.zhuk2010
      collosal

      colossal (from colossus)
      Write an explanatory draft.
      1. d.zhuk2010
        d.zhuk2010 14 November 2020 16: 22
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        Is this all a complaint about what was written?
        1. iouris
          iouris 15 November 2020 11: 03
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          This is not a complaint, I just took the liberty of pointing out a spelling error.
          This means an explanatory one regarding your involvement in the repair of an engine that fell apart in the air (a joke of humor, but there is a grain of joke in every joke).
  • irontom
    irontom 13 November 2020 22: 15
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    The crew is great, yes, still lucky.
    The Urals on the IL-76 in the 90s in Serbia, not destiny, night, bad weather conditions, a completely de-energized plane, plus military cargo, could not.
    I saw a machine-gun burst through the fuselage of Tupole, when the turbine of the third engine collapses after take-off, chops the tubes of the hydras, the crew and passengers in the shirt were born, only the third was born, the commander, the master, neatly ground the fully fueled plane, the most interesting thing is that he had one from the first flights as pic. Now an instructor at the Airbus.
    Itself recently a year ago changed the blades in Omsk wrapped with a propeller, caught partridges on takeoff.
  • wlkw
    wlkw 13 November 2020 23: 55
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    There was a similar story with the AN-22, with a sadder ending. There the blade broke off and hit the body. I got somewhere, all the engines turned off, one really started, They even tried to land the plane, but it collapsed from hitting the runway ... Unfortunately, at that time there were no instructions on how to land the plane if all the engines failed, or one. This is an extremely unusual situation for a transport worker, but it happened ...
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 14 November 2020 09: 25
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    The standard situation is an engine failure on this aircraft. How many have already been lost ...
  • bar
    bar 14 November 2020 10: 05
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    Now they will write it off. The era is leaving ...
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 14 November 2020 13: 23
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    pilots are aces!
  • iouris
    iouris 14 November 2020 15: 31
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    By the way, Friday the 13th. It explains everything.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 14 November 2020 23: 50
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    and what is the reason for the emergency landing ?! slag, not an article !!!!
    ps who is the manufacturer, who then served (Russia or Ukraine) ????
    timing, etc., etc.