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EU threatened Minsk with additional sanctions, Tikhanovskaya changes tactics of protests

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EU threatened Minsk with additional sanctions, Tikhanovskaya changes tactics of protests

The European Union has threatened Belarus with the introduction of additional sanctions due to the death of a protester Roman Bondarenko. According to an official representative of the EU's foreign policy, Europe strongly condemns the violence of the Belarusian authorities.


The EU continues to strongly condemn the violence of the Belarusian authorities against protesters, people who participate in the movement for democracy, independent media, civil society representatives or ordinary Belarusian citizens. (...) EU has already imposed sanctions against 55 persons responsible for violence and intimidation and is ready to impose additional sanctions

- said in a statement.

Thus, the EU reacted to the death of 31-year-old Bonadrenko, who received injuries incompatible with life during a fight with unknown persons. According to the Belarusian opposition, the deceased was a participant in the protests and was beaten by the security forces.

As stated in the Investigative Committee of Belarus, aggressive local residents, hanging ribbons in the courtyard between Chervyakova streets and Smorgovsky tract, where "the square of changes" is located, fought with unknown persons in masks who tried to remove these tapes. The police officers who arrived at the scene found the man with bodily injuries and intoxication, who was taken to the hospital, where, despite the assistance provided, he died. It turned out to be Roman Bondarenko.

In turn, the leader of the Belarusian opposition Svetlana Tikhanovskaya stated that she intends to change the tactics of the protests. According to her, "80% of Belarusians want change" and are ready to take to the streets.

(...) for the protests to be more effective, tactics need to be changed. This will require very precise thought over each step. Every day we do our best to ensure that new, fair elections are held in Belarus as soon as possible.

- she said, adding that mass detentions and violence against protesters in the country should be investigated at the international level.
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  1. zwlad
    zwlad 13 November 2020 14: 08
    16
    Stupid woman!
    It's better to go to Poland, help the local oppositionists, you have more chances there than in Belarus.
    Lost and sorry. But RB is not the United States, no one will kneel.
    1. Machito
      Machito 13 November 2020 14: 14
      23
      This Roman was a glass wash and got into a drunken fight. Does the EU not notice the shooting of policemen at protesters in Warsaw? There is nothing to look out for specks in other people's eyes, take care of your logs.
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 13 November 2020 14: 28
        -26 qualifying.
        Quote: Bearded
        This Roman was a glass wash and got into a drunken fight.

        1. Machito
          Machito 13 November 2020 14: 31
          38
          What is it? No surname, no name of the medical institution, no signature, no seal. It's just bamazhka.
          1. vvvjak
            vvvjak 13 November 2020 14: 43
            -19 qualifying.
            Quote: Bearded
            What is it? No surname, no name of the medical institution, no signature, no seal. It's just bamazhka.

            This is a certificate of a doctor of emergency medical care, you can find:
            https://news.tut.by/society/707715.html?
            What is your statement based on?
            1. Deck
              Deck 13 November 2020 14: 47
              -9
              What is your statement based on?


              Not based on anything. So out of rage he blurted out.
              1. krot
                krot 14 November 2020 08: 37
                +4
                As an official spokesman for the EU Foreign Service said, Europe strongly condemns the violence of the Belarusian authorities

                And the Belarusian authorities condemn the violence that is happening in Europe: in Poland, in France, in Germany ... and throughout the EU! laughing The authorities there are not childish with the protesters. People are dying in batches.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 November 2020 14: 54
              19
              and what's there? a scan with erased places and a completed sample without identification marks and even a doctor's signature?) since when did they begin to call it a document then? I'll rivet these for you in five minutes)
            3. Ascold1901
              Ascold1901 13 November 2020 15: 44
              20
              Your link is also an empty piece of paper without signatures and seal. Have you watched your link yourself?
              1. Vladimir B.
                Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 31
                20
                Quote: Ascold1901
                blank piece of paper without signatures and seal

                This is not the main thing for them. The main thing is what they say. In this case, they typed a piece of paper on the computer as a real fact and say that this is all real. And the further, the more they will spread such nonsense as evidence of their "righteousness" and "bloodthirstiness" of the regime.
            4. Andryukha G
              Andryukha G 13 November 2020 16: 26
              29
              For example, my assertion and reasoning is based on the fact that the mentioned here.by (after the recent death of its creator and owner, Comrade Zisser Y.A.), unfortunately, became bestial nationalist-Russophobic, objectivity in the presentation of news (I note again) disappeared after the death of the creator and leader (in May 2020). In the news of the last few months, the actions of the protesting zmagars, as well as their bruises and beatings, are described in detail, but for some reason they do not sign that these are unauthorized protests and pogroms of the protestors fall under the articles of the criminal code. This protestor in question opposed and resisted the actions of the POLICE EMPLOYEES, in any country, violators are responsible for illegal actions against representatives of the law and the authorities. The guy who died 10 years ago served in the BB and probably considered himself a superman, what came of this we see, in Kiev there was a heavenly hundred, we want to make a hero out of a hooligan, (for example, I am retired and work, he defended that hero in working hours? and at 30 years old? BCHBshny flag under which in 42 and 43 years 3000 !!! Belarusian villages, together with residents, burned? (only with a hundred does not work, because the majority (what would not say and croak) for Dad !!!) He wrote messy who wants to understand.
              1. Anton S
                Anton S 13 November 2020 17: 26
                -21 qualifying.
                Quote: Andryukha G
                For example, my assertion and reasoning is based on the fact that the mentioned here.by (after the recent death of its creator and owner, Comrade Zisser Y.A.), unfortunately, became bestial nationalist-Russophobic, objectivity in the presentation of news (I note again) disappeared after the death of the creator and leader (in May 2020). In the news of the last few months, the actions of the protesting zmagars, as well as their bruises and beatings, are described in detail, but for some reason they do not sign that these are unauthorized protests and pogroms of the protestors fall under the articles of the criminal code. This protestor in question opposed and resisted the actions of the POLICE EMPLOYEES, in any country, violators are responsible for illegal actions against representatives of the law and the authorities. The guy who died 10 years ago served in the BB and probably considered himself a superman, what came of this we see, in Kiev there was a heavenly hundred, we want to make a hero out of a hooligan, (for example, I am retired and work, he defended that hero in working hours? and at 30 years old? BCHBshny flag under which in 42 and 43 years 3000 !!! Belarusian villages, together with residents, burned? (only with a hundred does not work, because the majority (what would not say and croak) for Dad !!!) He wrote messy who wants to understand.

                He was resisted by unknown persons in masks (they were the first to attack him), who took him away in an unknown direction (as it turned out later in the police department), and the police appeared in the courtyard only later.
                About "the majority for the father" - this majority is not visible, they cannot gather them anywhere and in any way.
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus 13 November 2020 19: 00
                  +7
                  So dad needs to follow the example of the most democratic democrats - the United States, to issue a GTA law. It is not forbidden to crush demonstrators with cars. I wonder how quickly these cockroaches will hide in the cracks?
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 13 November 2020 20: 35
                    +9
                    Everything is as usual and usual: the "most democratic" West (which is in full swing with protests and demonstrations) and its puppets like Tikhanovskaya use any most murky pretext to whip up the situation in the hated Belarus and Russia.
                2. Vladimir B.
                  Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 32
                  15
                  Quote: Anton S
                  who took him away in an unknown direction (as it turned out later in the police department)

                  How is this "fact" confirmed?
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 14 November 2020 08: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: Anton S
                  He was resisted by unknown persons in masks (while they attacked him first),

                  He attacked first, hanging garbage on the walls
                  Quote: Anton S
                  About "the majority for the father" - this majority is not visible, they cannot gather them anywhere and in any way.

                  The majority of the people imposed an ultimatum and a strike on the same day: the protestors turned their backs on it.
                4. Gene84
                  Gene84 15 November 2020 21: 59
                  +8
                  Quote: Anton S
                  About "the majority for the father" - this majority is not visible, they cannot gather them anywhere and in any way.

                  Do you want to see them? Do you want them to arrange a "doomsday" for you? Are you by any chance a masochist?
                  1. Anton S
                    Anton S 16 November 2020 11: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Gene84
                    Quote: Anton S
                    About "the majority for the father" - this majority is not visible, they cannot gather them anywhere and in any way.

                    Do you want to see them? Do you want them to arrange a "doomsday" for you? Are you by any chance a masochist?

                    I am not a masochist, but a realist. There are very few sincere zombies left in Belarus, and they still cannot show themselves, show how many there are. And pathetic attempts to conduct some kind of car rallies, etc. only confirms this.
              2. CAT BAIYUN
                CAT BAIYUN 13 November 2020 17: 53
                11
                here.by (after the recent death of its creator and owner, comrade Zisser Yu.A.), unfortunately, became animal-like nationalist-Russophobic,

                He was so, but somehow disguised himself. And since the time of the protests, they have completely lost their girdles. Tendentious material flow. Very much they want the same fame as NEXTy, but it’s stupid .... So they grunt.
            5. Arlen
              Arlen 13 November 2020 18: 25
              +8
              Quote: vvvjak
              https://news.tut.by/society/707715.html?

              Well? What were we supposed to see there? On the papers presented in the article, there are no stamps or signatures. Anyone can make such "documents" on a computer.
              1. vvvjak
                vvvjak 13 November 2020 18: 55
                -14 qualifying.
                You, nothing. Just a doctor's certificate, there are still witnesses to the incident. Let there be 1000 stamps on the pieces of paper, which changes that. I believe that you shouldn't kill people, but someone thinks differently, they catch a "hype" on the topic, they get "plus signs". The man is beaten in his own yard, "packed", taken to the police department and eventually he dies in the hospital - a very suitable reason for "banter".
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus 13 November 2020 19: 02
                  15
                  You think it is impossible, but in the US they believe that looters and demonstrators can be shot on the spot.
                  1. vvvjak
                    vvvjak 13 November 2020 19: 27
                    -6
                    I live in Belarus, I do not know the laws of the United States. I have not seen any facts of looting, participation in an unauthorized rally is an administrative offense (sanctions - a fine and (or) arrest up to 15 days). In this case, there was no rally. Why kill?
                    1. Rusticolus
                      Rusticolus 15 November 2020 21: 31
                      0
                      In the United States, it is believed that making it difficult for cars to move with the help of a rally is a completely sufficient reason to crush the protesters with a car, anyone who they interfere with. The one that rejoice that you live in a totalitarian Republic of Belarus, and not in the most democratic USA. Otherwise they would have long been smeared with an even layer on the asphalt.
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 16 November 2020 14: 59
                        -1
                        The man asked:
                        Quote: vvvjak
                        In this case, there was no rally. Why kill?

                        and said that
                        Quote: vvvjak
                        I live in Belarus, I do not know the laws of the United States.

                        and you rub him some crap about the USA again. The dude was kicked to death not in the USA, but in an ordinary Minsk courtyard. I have no idea about the details of the incident, there is no faith to anyone, because everyone is lying, but it seems to me that the oppas (no matter how cynical it may sound) received their sacred sacrifice and martyr. The degree of bitterness is growing. And the edges of this mess are not yet visible.
                      2. Rusticolus
                        Rusticolus 17 November 2020 23: 35
                        0
                        Yes, I am vkurse all these Oppov's howls. I just went out into the courtyard for a walk, albeit in a completely different area of ​​the city, but I am the daughter of an officer! In the United States, people are being pissed off for nothing, and something about this is not heard the howling of a corrupt rag-tag. Everything follows the example of curators, only double standards. This is not at all necessary to understand it. And how many of these same operatives in Minsk are 2-3, even if only 10%. Well, what will happen if 9 out of 10 come up and just hit the head of one, and he only someone out of 9. But they won't even be able to do it once. They will scream about repressions and totalitarian power, although ordinary people, neighbors, passers-by and the like will give them cuffs. You might think that the security officials who drive them are brought from somewhere far away, right from Syria's Igiolovites, or out of Western Sahara? These are their neighbors, classmates, maybe even relatives. And if everyone in the circle of the opovtsy is not the same and not like that, then maybe they themselves are still the problem, and not in their environment?
                2. Gene84
                  Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 01
                  +8
                  Marauders were always and everywhere tried to punish at the place of capture ...
              2. Arlen
                Arlen 13 November 2020 20: 20
                +7
                Quote: vvvjak
                You, nothing

                I didn't see anything there smile
                Quote: vvvjak
                Just a doctor's certificate, there are still witnesses to the incident

                You can say anything you want and about anyone. For example, about me or about you. And the witnesses will yes The protest media will not even check this fact.
                Quote: vvvjak
                Let there be 1000 stamps on pieces of paper, what does it change

                Everything. This will mean that this fact has been confirmed by a medical institution.
                Quote: vvvjak
                but someone thinks differently, they catch a "hype" on the topic, "plus signs" get

                It's better to catch hype and pluses than to spread outright fakes.
                Quote: vvvjak
                very suitable occasion for "banter".

                I don't feel sorry for the pro-Western protesters, at all.
                1. vvvjak
                  vvvjak 13 November 2020 20: 47
                  -7
                  Interestingly, it means "drunk with glass" is it true, the doctor's certificate is a fake?
                  1. Arlen
                    Arlen 13 November 2020 22: 12
                    +6
                    Quote: vvvjak
                    means "drunk with glass" is true

                    I didn't write anything about the fact that he drank the glass.

                    I do not believe what is written in the article at the link you gave.

                    I don’t understand one fact. Where were all the protestors before the elections? Why, most of those who are now “drowning” against Lukashenka, until recently, before the elections, were for him, and with foaming at the mouth proved that he is good and that everything is good in Belarus? Can you explain this paradox to me? Why did most of those who were for him, immediately! As if on command, change their minds?

                    Finally, I want to say that by spreading fakes, you will not achieve anything. Except for one thing, the people who supported you will turn their backs on you, which in principle has already begun to happen. And the West will not help the protestors. hi
                    1. vvvjak
                      vvvjak 13 November 2020 22: 32
                      -10 qualifying.
                      I have not drowned for AGLu, not once. You did not understand the main thing - very few people voted for AHL, that is the problem.
                    2. Arlen
                      Arlen 13 November 2020 22: 38
                      +5
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      I didn't drown for AHLu

                      I didn't mean you personally. I'm on a large scale.
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      few people voted for AGLu

                      sad No comment ... hi
                    3. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 14 November 2020 08: 13
                      +2
                      Quote: vvvjak
                      You did not understand the main thing - very few people voted for AHLu, that is the problem.

                      Aha, this is exactly what was shown by the completely unraveled "strike" and the "blocking" of roads. It is immediately evident that 80% are for the protestors! lol
                  2. Vladimir B.
                    Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 44
                    12
                    Quote: Arlen
                    Why, most of those who are now "drowning" against Lukashenka, until recently, before the elections, were for him

                    Because he was against Russia and, one might even say, harmed us by pursuing a multi-vector policy. Now, trying to save the state of affairs in Belarus, he turned to us and is trying to be friends with us. That is, while he was in favor of multi-vector, he was good for them, now he refuses multi-vector and he is bad for them. Plus there are paid ones, those who receive instructions from some "masters" and they follow orders. And they don't care who they support.
                    Let them minus me, but there are paid, as well as ideological trollers against Lukashenka!
          2. Gene84
            Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 00
            11
            Quote: Arlen
            What were we supposed to see there?

            Another stuffing about the "bloody regime" yes
        2. dedusik
          dedusik 13 November 2020 19: 54
          +9
          Yes, on the fact that the official statement does not contain the signature of the doctors and the seal. I can write this to anyone, but trusting tut.by is like believing the Echo of Matzo and the Rain.
      2. Genak
        Genak 13 November 2020 14: 47
        -6
        In the case of a drunk boy, there was also a forensic expert's opinion.
      3. venik
        venik 13 November 2020 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        What is it? No surname, no name of the medical institution, no signature, no seal. It's just bamazhka.

        ------------
        Quote: Bearded
        This Roman was a glass wash and got into a drunken fight.

        =======
        So guys! Let's not "dog"!
        There is a fact: a young man died. He would still live and live ...
        Another question: HOW did it come about? Who was he? WHAT are the circumstances of death? WHAT actually happened there?
        All these questions need to be CLEARED !!! And this should be done by PROFESSIONALS! And do it - OBJECTIVELY!
        Until ALL circumstances of the case are clarified - ANY "sofa comments"type: "drunken swamp", "victim of the regime", "drug addict", "fighter for democracy", "hero", "criminal" etc. - I think it is UNACCEPTABLE and UNDEMEABLE!
        A MAN perished! Condolences to family and friends! And the hope is that ALL circumstances will be revealed and ALL the real GUILTY - will be FOUND and PUNISHED !!!
        soldier
        1. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 15 November 2020 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: venik
          All these questions need to be CLEARED !!! And this should be done by PROFESSIONALS! And do it - OBJECTIVELY!

          For more than three months since the beginning of August, not a single case has been initiated on the fact of abuse of authority, beatings and torture. People receive unsubscriptions stating that the verification period has expired and nothing will be carried out. For the killed, the same.
          So it will be now. Its "power" does not give out, not up to laws. To hold a chair at the pensioner.
          This is objective.

          Quote: venik
          ALL real GUILTY - will be FOUND and PUNISHED !!!

          Not under the Lukashenka regime. Why? See paragraph above.

          Quote: venik
          Another question: HOW did it come about? Who was he? WHAT are the circumstances of death? WHAT actually happened there?

          He went out into the courtyard healthy, he was brought to the hospital in a coma, operations and trepanation did not help. Here's what happened. The fact that they were beaten in the yard - there is a video and a photo, even the beaten were allegedly found, they were not too smart and were lit up.
      4. Nemo1976
        Nemo1976 13 November 2020 21: 47
        +7
        Quote: Bearded
        What is this?

        piece of paper. which they are trying to pass off as a document. laughing
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 November 2020 14: 34
      +8
      I alone see that on your scan the percent sign after zero is the only one that is different in color and clarity?))) Can you tell me why?) even the font is different) why was it there?)
      1. Antidote
        Antidote 13 November 2020 18: 20
        -5
        Because it is not a percent sign, but a ppm.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 November 2020 18: 27
          +6
          does this explain the difference in hue and definition?)
          1. Antidote
            Antidote 13 November 2020 19: 08
            -3
            of course, if these are small characters, especially when you want to see one thing, and then another.
    3. Andre___86
      Andre___86 13 November 2020 19: 12
      +7
      Lay out the complete document, with all the details
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 13 November 2020 21: 46
        +3
        Paper without printing and signature is just paper, I can print this in 10 minutes.
    4. Cutter
      Cutter 14 November 2020 00: 33
      11
      Vvvjak, I will print a LOT of such pieces of paper. Our colleague, a member of the forum, my compatriot (Minsker) doctor, throws diagnoses - HOLD ON, TWO THOUSAND CORPSES, AND ALL FORCED ... belay And now take a close look at the photo of this guy on the Belarusian sites - he served in the Internal Troops, AND KNEW WHAT THREATS THE RESISTANCE OF OMON ... THE QUESTION - was SO SURE ??? Or ideological, like Lenin ??? Enough to post nonsense, today "grief in half" was driving through the city ... Another one with or without a lining will block the road, I WILL PRESS, EVEN IF I SIT! Mother was in a hurry, she was in a hurry, you goofs --- UROU!
    5. koramax81
      koramax81 14 November 2020 17: 42
      -1
      Why is the form filled out in Russian? So that you can read?
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 33
    -2
    Quote: Bearded
    This Roman was a glass wash and got into a drunken fight.

    Maybe dichlorvos inhaled, or tried beer with ethylene glycol (antifreeze).
    1. Anton S
      Anton S 13 November 2020 15: 43
      -7
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: Bearded
      This Roman was a glass wash and got into a drunken fight.

      Maybe dichlorvos inhaled, or tried beer with ethylene glycol (antifreeze).

      In fact, the man was beaten to death (no matter what his political views). They held him for several hours in the police department, the doctors said, if they took him to the hospital right away, there would be chances. Sometimes it seems that people write some comments under dichlorvos.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 26
        13
        Quote: Anton S
        Sometimes it seems that people write some comments under dichlorvos.

        I also thought so, when they write something specific, you need to submit a photo or video, or the witness will speak out. And when they say, "The neighbors saw, the doctors said," and then according to the OBS scheme. It's like in the USA, when Afros were killed, everyone sees, and when Afros kill whites, then for some reason no one sees it.
        1. Anton S
          Anton S 13 November 2020 16: 28
          -16 qualifying.
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Anton S
          Sometimes it seems that people write some comments under dichlorvos.

          I also thought so, when they write something specific, you need to submit a photo or video, or the witness will speak out. And when they say, "The neighbors saw, the doctors said," and then according to the OBS scheme. It's like in the USA, when Afros were killed, everyone sees, and when Afros kill whites, then for some reason no one sees it.

          https://news.tut.by/society/707698.html
          1. Vladimir B.
            Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 54
            18
            Quote: Anton S
            https://news.tut.by/society/707698.html

            So-so staging. We could have shot a video better. The victim's face is not visible.
            1. Anton S
              Anton S 14 November 2020 18: 22
              -2
              Quote: Vladimir B.
              Quote: Anton S
              https://news.tut.by/society/707698.html

              So-so staging. We could have shot a video better. The victim's face is not visible.

              The staging is a victory for the AHL in the elections
              1. Vladimir B.
                Vladimir B. 15 November 2020 21: 14
                +7
                Quote: Anton S
                The staging is a victory for the AHL in the elections

                laughing
                do not tell my slippers)
                1. Anton S
                  Anton S 16 November 2020 11: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Vladimir B.
                  Quote: Anton S
                  The staging is a victory for the AHL in the elections

                  laughing
                  do not tell my slippers)

                  If you sincerely believe that in a country where not everything is in order, 80% vote for the AHL, then your slippers are most likely laughing at you.
          2. Cutter
            Cutter 14 November 2020 01: 58
            +5
            https://news.tut.by/society/707698.html

            Oh, they made fun! Why not Euroradio? Maybe NEXTA? Yes, let's go straight to the official website of the European Union, Lithuania or Latvia ... There they already hung snot on the fences, remembering the deceased ... No matter how it happened, the kingdom of heaven and eternal rest ...
            1. Anton S
              Anton S 14 November 2020 18: 26
              0
              Quote: Cutter
              https://news.tut.by/society/707698.html

              Oh, they made fun! Why not Euroradio? Maybe NEXTA? Yes, let's go straight to the official website of the European Union, Lithuania or Latvia ... There they already hung snot on the fences, remembering the deceased ... No matter how it happened, the kingdom of heaven and eternal rest ...

              What's wrong, or will you only believe in the recordings from the GoPro cameras of the performers themselves?
      2. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 15 November 2020 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: Anton S
        Sometimes it seems that some comments people write under dichlorvos

        This is called "hurray patriotism." Today they will write under it that it is necessary to bomb the Turks / Azerbaijan for the downed plane / helicopter, and tomorrow they will kiss them on the gums and sell the S-400. Because the great helmsman said so.
  3. Turanov
    Turanov 13 November 2020 16: 04
    12
    Quote: Bearded
    Does the EU not notice the shooting of policemen at protesters in Warsaw? There is nothing to look out for specks in other people's eyes, take care of your logs.

    Double standards, and everyone has long been accustomed to this and understands very well what is happening in Belarus (Ukraine is an example of this)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 35
      +7
      Quote: Turanov
      Double standards, and everyone has long been accustomed to this and understands very well what is happening in Belarus (Ukraine is an example of this)

      The methodology is the same that was used in Yugoslavia, and then went all over the world, Egypt, Libya, Iraq and beyond, already lost count. Presidents are being killed, but the common people, as in WWII, do not count. But the main thing is all under the aegis of the same "world order" and the struggle for democracy.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 13 November 2020 17: 05
        10
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The methodology is the same that was used in Yugoslavia, and then it went all over the world, Egypt, Libya, Iraq and beyond, already lost count.

        I have already become confused too .. And what is most interesting, at least one country from this list began to flourish .. THERE IS NO SUCH Vlad!
        Quote: tihonmarine
        But the main thing is all under the aegis of the same "world order" and the struggle for democracy.

        It especially pisses me off that we still have a lot of liberda in general, who believes in "democracy in the Anglo-Saxon way, etc." .. What other examples and arguments can they give ..
        The brains are washed to the level of a straight line in the tailbone ..!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 17: 43
          +7
          Quote: Turanov
          It is especially infuriating that we still have a lot here and in general liberdy who believes in "democracy in Anglo-Saxon, etc."

          The Promethean and Ozetites tried to paint everything in a liberal color, and to spoil our entire history and the Russian people.
        2. Nemo1976
          Nemo1976 13 November 2020 21: 37
          10
          Quote: Turanov
          at least one country on this list began to flourish

          It is not for this that the West arranges "color revolutions" in countries so that they would then flourish. They need chaos in the world for their prosperity.
  4. Nemo1976
    Nemo1976 13 November 2020 21: 46
    +7
    Quote: Bearded
    take care of your logs

    will not do it. they need to create illusions in their houses that somewhere is much worse than theirs.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 55
      11
      Quote: Nemo1976
      they need to create

      They need to create fakes about the events in Belarus.
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 03
        +9
        It amazes me that many are led by fakes and believe them ...
  • Pereira
    Pereira 13 November 2020 14: 27
    +2
    Again, the Polish police will train. Will return as a seasoned fighter. Both benefits and warm-up.
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 01: 56
      +9
      Or the Polish police will train on it, work out blows to the kidneys ...
  • iouris
    iouris 13 November 2020 14: 41
    +8
    Quote: zwlad
    Stupid woman!

    St. Tikhanovskaya is not a woman, but a function. She may have only one gyrus, and even that straight, it does not matter. While in Lithuania, she covers up the politics of major players: Britain and Poland. Where this policy is leading and how it ends for the state is clearly seen in the example of the Ukrainian SSR and the Arm.SSR (and Azerbaijan too). Actually, the Russian Federation was driven into a corner politically and economically. If Lukashenka is president, he is obliged to suppress agents at any cost. But the main thing is to solve this problem in the Russian Federation. If the Russian Federation falls as a "successor" of Russia, then all other "states" will be swallowed up by alien projects, i.e. all will go for parts. And this is a question of several years.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 13 November 2020 14: 56
      0
      Curious, has she already ordered the president's suit?
      1. Arlen
        Arlen 13 November 2020 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        Curious, has she already ordered the president's suit?

        She has already made a wooden mac to the West. The time will come.
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        2. Gene84
          Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 05
          +9
          Do you think the West will make a sacred sacrifice out of her? Um ... Maybe ... Only at first they use it to their full advantage.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 November 2020 15: 04
    +5
    Well, yes, in protest, she will now cook her husband half of the cutlets! wassat
    1. Vladimir B.
      Vladimir B. 14 November 2020 02: 04
      12
      I wonder what about her ultimatum to Lukashenka? Has she forgotten about him already? 13 days have passed long ago ... It would be better if Svetlana cooked borsch.
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 07
        10
        Quote: Vladimir B.
        I wonder what about her ultimatum to Lukashenka? Has she forgotten about him already?

        The people of Belarus scored on her calls, as did Lukashenka on the ultimatum.
  • Nemo1976
    Nemo1976 13 November 2020 21: 44
    +5
    Quote: zwlad
    Stupid woman!

    otherwise, if she was smart, she would not get involved in politics, but would continue to fry cutlets.
  • V1er
    V1er 13 November 2020 14: 08
    -3
    When will they calm down?
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 13 November 2020 14: 09
    -20 qualifying.
    They are trying to live according to the precepts of Lenin, where every cook can rule the country.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 14: 14
      29
      They are trying to live according to the precepts of Lenin, where every cook can rule the country.
      In fact, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin did not say anything like that. Here is an authentic quote:
      “We are not utopians. We know that any unskilled worker and any cook is not capable of taking over the government at once. On this we agree with the cadets, Breshkovskaya, and Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand immediate a break with the prejudice that only the rich or officials from wealthy families are able to govern the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of government. We demand that training in the matter of government be carried out by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, all the poor, immediately began to be involved in this training. "
      Lenin V.I., "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power?" Complete Works, 3rd ed., V. 21, p. 266.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 13 November 2020 14: 17
        11
        Thank you for correcting it. I will know. As they say, live and learn. hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 37
      -9
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      They are trying to live according to the precepts of Lenin, where every cook can rule the country.

      Lenin's grandfather has humor for such aunts.
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 November 2020 16: 01
        +4
        Every cook thinks she can comment on Lenin. Read:
        In the article “Will the Bolsheviks Hold State Power?” (Originally published in October 1917 in Issues 1–2 of the journal Enlightenment), Lenin wrote:

        “We are not utopians. We know that any unskilled worker and any cook is not capable of taking over the government at once. On this we agree with the cadets, Breshkovskaya, and Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand immediate a break with the prejudice that only the rich or officials taken from wealthy families are able to manage the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of government.We demand that training in public administration be carried out by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that it begin immediately, that is, to training this immediately began to attract all the working people, all the poor. "

        Read it again!
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 14: 11
    16
    Europe strongly condemns the violence of the Belarusian authorities.
    ... And in other countries, European, does the authorities approve of violence? laughing
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 13 November 2020 14: 15
      +1
      Daniil Konovalenko (Daniil Konovalenko)
      Today, 14: 11
      +1
      Europe strongly condemns the violence of the Belarusian authorities.
      ... And in other countries, European, does the authorities approve of violence? laughing

      As the oppositionists say, "THIS IS ANOTHER" winked
  • VORON538
    VORON538 13 November 2020 14: 11
    +6
    According to light, Belarusians massively want light
    Lies on the actions of the Belarusians wink
    And where is the EU's indignation over Poland, Bulgaria ??? what
    Democracy and common people, they are not for everyone!
    One has only to admit a pro-Western candidate to power, and no elections or rallies will smoke him out of the country, no matter what he does. I understand that Ukraine has set my teeth on edge as an example, but this is a fact! hi
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: VORON538
      According to light, Belarusians massively want light

      What do they want so directly?
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 13 November 2020 14: 53
        0
        That's what I say, according to the light:According to her, "80% of Belarusians want change" and are ready to take to the streets.(c) So far, only the candidate of light has been stubbornly declaring his victory and talking about "change".
        and where is its 80 percent? winked
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 15: 01
          0
          Quote: VORON538
          That's what I say, according to the light:

          So it is according to the light. I also want, but I do not take everyone in a row, but I choose those that I like.
    2. pytar
      pytar 13 November 2020 16: 46
      -8
      Quote: VORON538
      And where is the EU's indignation over Poland, Bulgaria ???

      I wasn't interested in Poland, but what about Bulgaria? Do not re-tell tales from rus-media! I go to Sofia every week!
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 14 November 2020 03: 46
        +1
        The confrontation between the president and the government, rallies against corruption and mass detentions in September, tough actions of the security forces and a large number of victims among the protesters, read-peacefully protesters - this was filmed at Mosfilm, but in Bulgaria it was not? ))
        1. pytar
          pytar 14 November 2020 14: 17
          -5
          Artem, you demonstrated a brilliant example, the distortion of reality, issued by rus-media! good Let's put everything on the shelves:
          Confrontation between the president and the government ...

          Quite a normal situation for democratic countries! The president from the opposition, the prime minister from the ruling coalition! Nobody has a monopoly over power! Political competition! The people only benefit from this!
          ... rallies against corruption ...)))

          The protests arose strangely right after the prosecutor's office launched investigations into the richest oligarch, Vasil Bozhkov! He fled to the Emirates and from there he oversees one part of the protesters. And different groups are holding rallies, for different reasons! Moreover, there is no mass character, there were no more than 20-30 people there, the maximum was in September / 10-15 thousand /, which is nothing for the millionth Sofia.
          .... tough actions by security officials and a large number of victims among the protesters ..

          Ha, ha, ha! A small part of the protesters stormed the government! The police reacted quite adequately, several vandals were detained, not a single victim was seriously injured! The police do not drive anyone, do not beat, moreover, they sit among the protesters without a balaclava, they sing the anthem together! Before 3 years, there were again protests, 4 protesters suffered. One of them appeared on central TV channels with a bandaged head, the same evening! The next day, the government filed for the remains! Compare with Belarus!

          ... it was filmed at "Mosfilm" but in Bulgaria it was not?

          In Bulgaria, protests are shown on all media! There are only 2 state channels - BNT / television / and BNR / radio / and they are not controlled by the government either! All media are private! Nothing remains hidden, no censorship! The premier is the one who, for a bad 2 times, filed for leave as a result of rallies, and not only he, being in power, also applied for leave! The European media reflect the rallies quite impartially and critically of the government! This is normal in democratic countries! There are no irreplaceable leaders and eternal kings here!
          1. VORON538
            VORON538 14 November 2020 14: 23
            +1
            I drew information not from state channels, but from the sources of the "world wide web"
            I also watch supposedly unbiased foreign channels
            So, there is silence about Bulgaria and Poland, but Belarus and Moldova are rinsed with might and main, mixed with terrorist attacks in France and elections in the states. Is there no censorship? You are wrong! In the west, the media say exactly the same only what is beneficial for them!
            1. pytar
              pytar 15 November 2020 00: 40
              -1
              In another thread of the forum, I gave links to publications of Western media about the protests in Bulgaria. We publish them, no censorship! The EU and the US Embassy in Sofia have made several official statements calling on the government to respect the rights of protesters! Everything is in public space! Of course, this topic is of more interest to our media, in them you can see all sorts of opinions and most of them are critical of the government! Journalists are constantly on duty around! We have NO censorship, I will repeat again! I personally go there from time to time, everything is fine, within the framework of the democratic process!
      2. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 15 November 2020 19: 31
        0
        Quote: pytar
        Do not retell tales from rus-media

        They have no others. Whoever is not for Putin's Russia is an enemy, an agent of the State Department, vows, bought because the people a priori must always idolize the next tsar and kiss his boots.
        They said this about Ukraine, about Bulgaria, about Belarus and will talk about it further.
        1. pytar
          pytar 16 November 2020 10: 28
          0
          Absolutely! good Their world is black and white! A form of Daltonism!
    3. saigon
      saigon 14 November 2020 06: 24
      0
      Artem calm down common people of course not for everyone!
      On the other hand, to evaluate so many shouts and empathy for a Belarusian person, but now the Poles do not shout, they probably do not hold for people.
  • faiver
    faiver 13 November 2020 14: 21
    +7
    "80% of Belarusians want change" and are ready to take to the streets
    - I think so, these 80% want to live in peace, but this chicken wants a mess ...
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 13 November 2020 14: 29
      +4
      this chicken is already openly run by western cockerels ...
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 13 November 2020 14: 47
      -7
      Quote: faiver
      I think so, these 80% want to live in peace, but this chicken wants a mess ...

      Oh, is it? It was possible to recount the ballots, under the cameras, so that all the questions could be removed in a maximum of a week. Nothing too complicated. One large room, a dozen cameras, a dozen tables, 3-4 dozen counting people, a hundred people for security, plus a week of time. Everything. Instead .... Fourth, already mlyn fourth month, they disperse the protesters. Yes, one gasoline spent to disperse the dissatisfied has probably already cost more than the organization of an exemplary, in terms of transparency and reliability, recount of votes. And the one who ordered to destroy the ballots wants a mess. Urgently destroy, as evidence of a crime is destroyed.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 15: 24
        +7
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        It was possible to recount the ballots, under the cameras, so that all the questions could be removed in a maximum of a week. Nothing too complicated.

        You write about the elections, about the calculations and so on. But I remember the beginning of opposition demonstrations in Belarus. And even on our website, many wrote "We want fair elections!" But recently, "We want changes!" What happened syabry? During your "agony" in America, elections were also held, and, as it were, the most democratic in the world, but Trump lost 3 million votes, forgeries, dead souls, etc. And everyone understood there are no fair elections, and the rhetoric of the speeches of the Belarusians became "We want changes." After a while they will come up with something else. I realized they don't want anything, but someone makes them run.
        Well, if about the changes, then look at the same USA, well, Trump was all happy (at first), and then they changed their minds (but not all of them), now Bidon was supposedly chosen. And again the question, "What has changed from this, maybe the Can is better than Trump?" Maybe the people will get something, because the United States is a rich country. But why do African Americans and their comrades, as well as the "Svetkina opposition", still run around the streets with the difference that the Belarusian policemen do not kneel, and the authorities do not wipe the snot, and does not allow the horses to rob shops and kill people.
      2. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 15: 43
        +5
        If Lukashenka did not have the support of at least half of the people, everything would go according to plan and he would now be an honorary citizen of Rostov. But there is clearly support. That is why opponents behave like a minority, hysterical and loud, attributing numbers to themselves. Many of them even sincerely believe in their righteousness, because in their circle of barber-designers, students are all like that and they simply do not have imaginatively prowess circles - farmers, workers, military. The oppositionists either do not believe in their existence or do not take into account - because for them these are losers and in general they stink like manure and then stink. But these people are there and therefore "start a hall" (as the DJs say sad ) does not work in spite of everything.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 14
          +6
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          That is why the oppas behave like a minority, hysterical and loud, ascribing numbers to themselves.

          I’m wondering if they run around the streets for three months, and what do they eat, what do they live on, pay for apartments, feed the children, or are they all childless and without a place to live? Well, a person cannot live three months without anything.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 16: 22
            +2
            And why mom / dad / husband? And they do not run "full time" but in their free time. And professional protestors are sent bitcoins and cash through curators
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 November 2020 17: 08
              +2
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              And why mom / dad / husband?

              I would have kicked such a wife out of the house long ago.
          2. Andre___86
            Andre___86 13 November 2020 19: 18
            +2
            This is how they work during the day - they protest in the evening. Yes, there are many students and those who are 15-17 years old
            1. Gene84
              Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 12
              11
              Quote: Andre___86
              This is how they work during the day - they protest in the evening

              Are you seriously? Is a person, having worked his shift, tired, going to a meeting? wassat
              Quote: Andre___86
              Yes, there are many students and those who are 15-17 years old

              There have always been protest youth. These will soon realize that they were impudently used and will already protest against those who called them.
          3. saigon
            saigon 14 November 2020 06: 33
            0
            The holy power of resisting the authorities just works wonders!
            And saying that ima pay is an insult to chelam who wants something good, well, like levalusia or smoked taranka there.
      3. Machito
        Machito 13 November 2020 17: 26
        +3
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        Quote: faiver
        I think so, these 80% want to live in peace, but this chicken wants a mess ...

        Oh, is it? It was possible to recount the ballots, under the cameras, so that all the questions could be removed in a maximum of a week. Nothing too complicated. One large room, a dozen cameras, a dozen tables, 3-4 dozen counting people, a hundred people for security, plus a week of time. Everything. Instead .... Fourth, already mlyn fourth month, they disperse the protesters. Yes, one gasoline spent to disperse the dissatisfied has probably already cost more than the organization of an exemplary, in terms of transparency and reliability, recount of votes. And the one who ordered to destroy the ballots wants a mess. Urgently destroy, as evidence of a crime is destroyed.

        What about the recount in the United States? In some states, 130% of the electorate voted, and all - for Biden. The "free" media organized the persecution of Trump. And American carousels are steeper than roller coasters. And where is the outraged world community? I just want to answer in rhyme. Biden can falsify elections, but Lukashenka cannot. These are no longer double standards, but destructive ones. We must send the West straight to the .... West.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 13 November 2020 17: 53
          -3
          Quote: Bearded

          What about the recount in the United States? In some states, 130% of the electorate voted, and all - for Biden.

          And it is normal there with the recalculation. Now the courts are underway, if you are not aware. And what is typical, Trump, unlike a basket, is in no hurry to destroy ballots, electoral commission documents, take police and armor out onto the streets, and yell at the whole world that he is ready to jail-shoot half the country, but will not leave his place until he dies.
          I understand, he is such a zomboy, he washes his brains with high quality. But nevertheless, sometimes it is worth thinking, and not only the slogans and chants voiced by "the most honest media in the world" are repeated.
          And most importantly, it’s awfully difficult for me to realize how you can scream with such zeal for someone who, just a week before the elections, proved himself to be an outspoken and outspoken enemy of Russia. And who will become him again, it is worth him at least the slightest benefit from that to feel.
          I'm wondering. If suddenly our media suddenly receive an order to praise the bandera, for example, you will start yelling with the same zeal - what are the heroes of fat? Apparently yes.
          1. the lord
            the lord 13 November 2020 18: 43
            -7
            And I do not understand how you can see the enemy in the one who defends the interests of his country. You probably do not know, but they tried to overthrow Lukashenka from the Kremlin too. The same fat babarika as an example. We just screwed up badly with this "candidate". And Old Man is aware of the Kremlin's tricks. Putin loses heavily to him and is extremely jealous of his dismal position as a sub-state in a bunker.
            At the same time, even after that provocation from the skakuas at the Kremlin's suggestion, he, directly addressing the Kremlin, reminded of alliance and the need for friendship without a blow in his pocket.
            I'm wondering, do you seriously believe that the Belarusians in times of crisis voted at least some serious percentage for this Tikhanovskaya? But the fact that the zmagars to which you have joined are highly organized, so they have someone and with whose money to study. There was a lot of time in the country.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 13 November 2020 19: 27
              0
              Quote: znavel
              And I do not understand how you can see the enemy in the one who defends the interests of his country.

              That's it, no questions. Except for one. As you can see the enemy, in a certain Mr. Hitler. After all, he was only defending the interests of his country. No, though. There are still two questions. Do you often ziggle? And how exactly? For the sake of form, or from the heart?
              Quote: znavel
              I'm wondering if you seriously believe that the Belarusians voted at least some serious percentage during the crisis

              About 10% of the population attended protests in Minsk. Despite the fact that no more than every fifth to tenth person is ready to protest actively (this is stupid human psychology, for example, voluntarily in a civil war, and 1% of the population did not participate), this is not a serious number from 50 to 100%. And whether you like Tikhanovskaya or not, the tenth thing. But the fact that the basket has no support except for the security forces is a fact. As well as the fact that we, by supporting that same basket, are now growing from Belarus an irreconcilable enemy of Russia. It is unlikely that the Belarusians will forget this for us. However, she said this more than once or five. Tired of explaining the obvious to those who have a severe form of propaganda addiction.
              Dixi.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 21
            +4
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Trump, unlike a basket, is in no hurry to destroy ballots, documents of election commissions, to take the police and armor to the streets,

            Here I agree with you unambiguously. Trump no longer needs to take anyone out into the streets, there the blacks took the police to the streets for him and brought them to their knees. And his people are not allowed to the documents of electoral commissions. Learn from the young riotous generation from the West Coast of Africa. And then everything is working the old fashioned way.
            Here one little Soros or an Ozetian told me how they were taught at some courses in Belarus. how in 1937 the police beat the people (like now one to one). Only where is this and who remembers what happened 83 years ago.
        2. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 15 November 2020 19: 33
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          In some states, 130% of voters voted, and all - for Biden

          And you hear about this only from the Russians for the Trump members. And there is no evidence. But the Belarusians themselves perfectly saw the turnout for 100%. And other evidence of fraud.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 51
      +4
      Quote: faiver
      I think so, these 80% want to live in peace, but this chicken wants a mess.

      I also agree about calmness, but I don't catch up with the changes. What are the changes? Someone of these changeers can name everything clearly and clearly point by point, but just run around, shout that they are the opposition and want change, "I want that, I don't know what." Or there is already one thing left in my head, to run, run and run.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 14: 58
        +4
        They want pensions like in Norway, salaries like in Switzerland, medicine like in Germany and work like in Greece. I once tried to explain to a Ukrainian (in Kiev) that for the second France several tens of millions of French are needed, in vain. It's just like a religion - we will enter Europe and live almost better than they themselves. There is clearly something similar in Belarus.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 15: 24
          +3
          By the way, when I was in Kiev and walked around the Maidan (already in 2019), as soon as I took out a pack of cigarettes, an unshaven, hungover aborigine would certainly appear and ask for a cigarette. I don’t feel sorry for the cigarette, we started talking (he still needs to get some wink ) and he tells me that he was once a sailor and stood on the Maidan (during the same storm) and there he met an officer of the Dutch fleet who gave him a mobile phone (naturally drunk afterwards). Here's a story. I gave him a beer. The next day, already in a different place, a pack, a freeloader (another) - and almost the same story - told me how a foreigner who introduced himself as an officer from Britain stood on the Maidan and met him and gave him an expensive lighter! For what I bought for that and sell. I just think there were their controllers in the crowd? Two drunks won't lie the same,?
          1. Horon
            Horon 13 November 2020 16: 05
            +3
            Two drunks won't lie the same,?

            They can also lie. The beggars use stories that are more empathetic. I hope both drunks did not talk about the same profession before their Maidan?
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 16: 15
              +4
              The first was a sailor (that's why he was able to communicate with the Dutch naval officer.) The second did not seem to talk about his profession. And to be honest, both stories didn’t cause sympathy in principle. sad To do this, the pros use stories about unfair lives and / or insidious women. Everything was told in different syllables and I ran into these pretzels in different places. I have talked a lot with liars and I can tell - either the truth or an actor of the level of Hollywood.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 November 2020 18: 36
          +7
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          They want pensions like in Norway, salaries like in Switzerland, medicine like in Germany and work like in Greece.


          I thought everyone was ill with this after 1991 - when they wanted salaries like in the West, and social services and work - like in the USSR. Well, we got it, yes ... smile
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 14 November 2020 17: 53
            +3
            No, they have not been ill. On the contrary, after six months of isolation of the country and a continuous flow of feces into the heads from both the West and the East, the people have this in their heads! Everything got worse! I have never suffered more from cognitive dissonance as I have for the past three months. Well, where else can you see a column of quite cheerful and energetic pensioners who walk under the flags of collaborators and chant "Get up, this is a huge country!" And the other day a colleague in all seriousness tried to prove to me that Belarus flourished under this flag for two hundred years, until the Russians came! He sat well at the table, otherwise his jaw would fly to the floor. And this is said to me by a military pensioner, a colonel who studied at a Soviet school, who recently read Nikolai Starikov! But I’m thinking, and I’m Russian. It turns out that I am now an occupier, although I have been living here for 37 years! Tryndets some! Maybe something is wrong with me?
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 25
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          They want pensions like in Norway, salaries like in Switzerland, medicine like in Germany and work like in Greece.

          Cheap meat and an eternal holiday like in Brazil. Although the Third Rzeczpospolita dawns ahead.
    4. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 10
      10
      I have doubts that she wants something ... Others think for her, she can only voice it.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 13 November 2020 14: 25
    +8
    It's time for the EU to impose sanctions against Biden. According to Trump, he falsified 3 million votes ... Poland is also imposed with sanctions - the security forces are shooting at people from a shotgun, France is generally excommunicated from Europe - the heads are cut in vain "right on the go" © .... And then all Belarus, yes Russia ... And because of what? One of the blues got drunk into a fight, got into a fight, well, he got a luley ... the second, it seems, was drugged with drugs and now blames everything on the newbie ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 20: 29
      +3
      Quote: Alexander X
      To impose sanctions on Poland - security forces are shooting at people with a shotgun

      They do not shoot at the people, but at the Poles, at the Nazis and the Anglo-Saxons. Well, if you touch the Russians, then again "And Vyarshava was beaten by Mr. Churchill"
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 30
    +3
    Thus, the EU reacted to the death of 31-year-old Bonadrenko, who received injuries incompatible with life during a fight with unknown persons.
    Now what, the European Union will begin to impose sanctions for everyone killed in a drunken brawl? But.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 November 2020 14: 56
    +6
    I did not understand about this deceased ... He was beaten by unknown persons in masks, when he what? Peacefully hanging some ribbons? And these strangers were in shape? And as always, "It's obvious !!!" Navalny was OBVIOUSLY poisoned by BOV, however, only he was alone. And he survived ... without consequences (one more question, HOW? If it is BOV) ... It is the same with this beating ... Why not assume that this is the opposition, tired of waiting for a sacred sacrifice, and organized it? Masked ... Who shot the Heavenly Hundred? And for what? Are we silent?
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 13 November 2020 15: 18
      -13 qualifying.
      He did not hang anything, he went out into the street with neighbors to find out what the masked people were doing there, was detained and killed.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 15: 59
        11
        Quote: Gost2012
        He did not hang anything, he went out into the street with neighbors to find out what the masked people were doing there, was detained and killed.

        Interesting people, they saw people in masks on the street and went to find out. I don't know, would anyone here go to find out? A normal person would sit at home, or call the police.
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 03
          -14 qualifying.
          Well, I wrote below, yours is not yet the same as ours. While...
          We no longer have cops without masks, and uniforms are rare. This was the police, we have no other now.
          But, since the Kremlin is so stubbornly undertook to defend it, you have it ahead of you.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 42
            +4
            Quote: Gost2012
            But, since the Kremlin is so stubbornly undertook to defend it, you have it ahead of you.

            And why be surprised, in the Kremlin both Trump and Pashinyan are being defended by some, so now your Tikhanovskaya must be defended? Who is she for Russia? Why it needs to be protected, I asked how many times, and the answer is "We want fair elections." Well, we looked at what elections in the United States. I want to ask, "Aren't you tired of it?"
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 13 November 2020 21: 48
            +5
            God grant that we have ahead of us in the same way the Liberal racers.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 November 2020 15: 07
    0
    Luka would send these idiots away and block the railways and highways for them, let them carry their stuff through the Baltic or through the south.
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 13 November 2020 15: 07
    -14 qualifying.
    The deceased Roman was beaten to death, he ended up in the BPSM from the Central District Department of Internal Affairs, blood test - blood ethanol 0 ppm. He was simply beaten to death.
    https://news.tut.by/society/707715.html

    In the Russian Federation, there is still no such thing as insolently falsifying elections, then killing people, maiming them, all arrested under 20, make a proportion to your population size, for three! months. About 000 criminal cases for participation in the riots, thousands of beaten, dismissed and expelled. And we already have it.
    Beaten to death in your police station? And we have Roman not the first.
    More than 1500 applications were filed in the UK, and criminal cases were initiated - 0! And there are criminal cases for the flowers at the place of Taraikovsky's murder.

    Thank you brothers for your support. Get another anti-Russian state on the border, no worse than Ukraine with the Balts, and all the treaties between us will be lost.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: Gost2012
      In the Russian Federation, there is still no such thing as insolently falsifying elections, then killing people

      In Russia, no, but in the states there, as much as 3 million were falsified. Democracy, and everything is fine! I realized that you are striving for this, to the west.
      1. Gost2012
        Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 06
        -11 qualifying.
        Firstly, now we are ... what is there in the states, a lot of their own shit. Secondly, we are striving just so that this does not happen, it is you who are trying to keep the falsifier in our country, you are apparently preparing the ground for yourself.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 November 2020 17: 03
          +5
          Quote: Gost2012
          Secondly, we are striving just so that this would not be

          I didn't understand, so I will insert a quote from Tikhanovskaya “Many EU countries, in particular Poland, Romania, Lithuania, have prepared a project of assistance for future reforms. The conversation is about billions of dollars. Many private companies are ready to provide an investment plan for the future Belarus "
          You know, I so believed that I shed a mean man's tear. I believed that Lithuania and Romania (the richest countries of the EU) will help you, as much as BILLIONS!
          PS I advise you to drink home pasture grain, or "White Vezha" - the attic does not demolish.
        2. Hyperion
          Hyperion 13 November 2020 22: 42
          -4
          Hammer. It looks like "#yabatski" is in the majority here.
          1. Gene84
            Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 13
            11
            Quote: Hyperion
            Hammer. It looks like "#yabatski" is in the majority here.

            Clever advice. Your #Yeuropean and #tarusophobe are in the minority both here and in Belarus.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 November 2020 18: 15
      +6
      Quote: Gost2012
      After all, you do not yet have such a thing in the Russian Federation that

      criminals insolently run through the streets and demand to give them power. No really.
    3. Arlen
      Arlen 13 November 2020 18: 36
      +3
      Quote: Gost2012
      Get another anti-Russian state on the border

      Poland has always been hostile to us. wink
      Say hello to your bourgeois panama. hi
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      1. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 14
        +9
        Better Lukashenko than Sveta cutlet. wink
  • common man
    common man 13 November 2020 15: 09
    +5
    Give an analysis of every fight in the European Court of the ECHR. And if with the infliction of bodily harm (moderate), then immediately to the UN. So that they have something to do and not be ashamed to receive a salary.
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 13 November 2020 15: 17
      -7
      The security forces beat him, detained him and took him away in front of a bunch of neighbors. They were taken to the Central District Department of Internal Affairs, from there - to die in the hospital.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 05
        +4
        Quote: Gost2012
        The security forces beat him, detained him and took him away in front of a bunch of neighbors.

        Well, they could take a picture and put it on the network.
        1. Gost2012
          Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 09
          -11 qualifying.
          So there is a video, and people were standing nearby, but they could not interfere - they would be jailed immediately. We are here taking courses in 37, with your help, only law enforcement officers beat on the program, sometimes to death, and civilians - until they beat us, and cannot interfere.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 November 2020 17: 05
            +6
            Quote: Gost2012
            So there is a video, and people were standing nearby, but they could not interfere - they would jail immediately.

            So lay it out, we are waiting, we will see everything and discuss, we will understand, we are only stupid in appearance.
        2. Gost2012
          Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 12
          -10 qualifying.
          Above, after all, the document from the hospital was posted to you, the doctor explains by reference. He was sober, and they brought him by ambulance from the Central District Department of Internal Affairs, but already in a coma.
          Our doctors are one of the most active groups, they just see with their own eyes which ones they bring, which injuries and from where. It's hard for you to believe, everything seems too incredible, but it is - that's it.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 13 November 2020 18: 17
            +5
            Quote: Gost2012
            Above, after all, the document from the hospital was laid out for you

            Which is without signatures and seals?
        3. Gost2012
          Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 15
          -8
          Do you think a drunken brawl will bring it all together?
          Do not be lazy to open:
          https://news.tut.by/society/707676.html
  • Old Orc
    Old Orc 13 November 2020 15: 26
    +5
    Where is the condemnation and imposition of sanctions against the United States and Trump
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 16: 06
      +5
      Quote: Old Orc
      Where is the condemnation and imposition of sanctions against the United States and Trump

      So Trump suffered from dishonest elections, it is necessary to impose sanctions against Biden.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 November 2020 15: 43
    +1
    The intensity was asleep even on VO, some 42 comments. Not relevant, passed!
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  • Turanov
    Turanov 13 November 2020 16: 00
    +4
    The West has firmly grasped Belarus with its teeth .. It just won't let go! We need to keep the defense of the Russian world .. Karabakh is just a wake-up call to all of us in Russia.
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 20
      -16 qualifying.
      You and your Russian world have at least a stake on your head.
      No West clung to anyone. One mustachioed rat usurped power, began to spread rot on the dissenters. The Russians promised to send her the National Guard to help her - to beat the civilians (I suppose you are proud, Russians?). Where do we go if not to the west now? There are shocks to wash, but at least not a concentration camp. You yourself pushed us there, and as a result you will get an anti-Russian state, with all the bonuses. But before August, we had 60% loyal to the Russian Federation, I myself was. But this is only until August, now not even 1% probably.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 November 2020 16: 33
        -13 qualifying.
        No matter how propaganda / know whose / whitewash with this dictatorship, sooner or later it will fall! And all her henchmen - criminals hiding behind masks will get what they deserve! Condolences for a good person who died innocently! Amen!
        God is not in power, but in truth!
        1. Gene84
          Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 16
          +9
          Quote: pytar
          No matter how propaganda / know whose / whitewash with this dictatorship, sooner or later it will fall!

          Dream European. Think about dictatorship. Especially against the backdrop of your crisis. Everything is democratic in your country, not like in Belarus.
          Take the log out of your eye.
          Quote: pytar
          God is not in power, but in truth!

          Therefore, God turned away from you.
          1. pytar
            pytar 16 November 2020 10: 15
            0
            Dream European.

            What are you? Black person?
            Think about dictatorship. Especially against the backdrop of your crisis.

            What crisis? Let me explain, "how is it with us"?
            Everything is democratic in your country, not like in Belarus.

            The difference is noticeable. My friends, Belarusians, also note the fact.
            Take the log out of your eye.

            Not like it, it's in your eyes, Gennady!
            Therefore, God turned away from you.

            Did he tell you that?
      2. Turanov
        Turanov 13 November 2020 16: 40
        10
        Quote: Gost2012
        You and your Russian world have at least a stake on your head.
        No West clung to anyone. One mustachioed rat usurped power, began to spread rot on the dissenters. The Russians promised to send her the National Guard to help her - to beat the civilians (I suppose you are proud, Russians?).

        We heard these songs about freedom and democracy in 2014-15, and then blood poured out and what is Ukraine NOW like now?
        Quote: Gost2012
        Where do we go if not to the west now?

        Yes, for God's sake, there have been waiting for the disgruntled majors of the protesters for a long time bully
        Down with BelAZ!
        Down with MAZ. "
        Hello Polish unitaz!
        Quote: Gost2012
        But before August we had 60% loyal to the Russian Federation, I myself was. But this is only until August, now not even 1% probably.

        Well, well, statistics from the Polish NEXT?
        The events of these 30 years do not teach you anything .. In Russia, there were not enough jumping Belarusians yet .. So I don’t like the suitcase, the bus, the strawberry and apple plantation at the Pan ..
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 13 November 2020 18: 19
        +4
        Quote: Gost2012
        No West clung to anyone.

        Have you tried to read the title of the article?
        Quote: Gost2012
        You yourself pushed us there, and as a result you will get an anti-Russian state, with all the bonuses.

        Truth? And the puppet government from the United States (Poland alone would not have pulled it) is this type of friendly state?
      4. Hyperion
        Hyperion 13 November 2020 22: 45
        -4
        I was also ...
        1. Gene84
          Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 17
          10
          Quote: Hyperion
          I was also ...

          Well, he was, but now no. Do you think we were worried about you? laughing
      5. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 15
        10
        Quote: Gost2012
        Where do we go if not to the west now?

        That's right, you personally go to the Polish master to the west.
        Quote: Gost2012
        But before August we had 60% loyal to the Russian Federation, I myself was. But this is only until August, now not even 1% probably.

        laughing laughing laughing Not tired of spreading fakes?
  • pytar
    pytar 13 November 2020 16: 17
    -11 qualifying.
    As stated in the Investigative Committee of Belarus, aggressive localshanging ribbons in the courtyard between Chervyakova streets and Smorgovsky tract, where the "square of changes" is located, fought with masked unknownswho tried to remove these tapes.

    What a strange statement from SKB! Locals "aggressively" hung ribbons in their yard, or "aggressively" did not give "unknown in masks" burst into them, take off the tapes? Like if you are wearing masks, do what you want! Who is without a mask, an aggressor! Does this also apply to visits to banks? So let's all wear baklavas, and there is protection against covid! fool
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 13 November 2020 16: 25
      -12 qualifying.
      There are many oddities here. Not so long ago, they brought in an ambulance a man from Akrestino (this is a prison, if anyone does not know, an isolation ward), all in hematomas, numerous bruises, fractures, ribs, all, broken insides. So he took it and died, despite the medical assistance. And the Investigative Committee reported that the man fell from the second tier of bunks, and broke everything for himself and broke, that's why he died. Amazing and strange things are happening here, so fall ..
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 13 November 2020 16: 46
        +8
        Quote: Gost2012
        There are many oddities here. Not so long ago, they brought in an ambulance a man from Akrestino (this is a prison, if anyone does not know, an isolation ward), all in hematomas, numerous bruises, fractures, ribs, all, broken insides. So he took it and died, despite the medical assistance. And the Investigative Committee reported that the man fell from the second tier of bunks, and broke everything for himself and broke, that's why he died. Amazing and strange things are happening here, so fall ..

        Well raise the public, etc. laughing How do I remember "onizhedeti" in Ukraine, and a bloody showdown began to the joyful hooting of the West .. And what did they achieve in Kiev? Torchlight processions and gay parades with the clown president ..?
        How tired I am of this whining of victims of exam and social networks ... Ugh damn
        1. Nemo1976
          Nemo1976 13 November 2020 23: 40
          +9
          Quote: Turanov
          And what did they achieve in Kiev?

          Disrupt the country. War and the law on the sale of land. This is the minimum, and the maximum, it will be very, very long to list.
      2. pytar
        pytar 13 November 2020 16: 48
        -7
        Classics in the genre ... Probably the number of victims is true, we will find out only after the dictatorship falls!
      3. Gene84
        Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 19
        +8
        Quote: Gost2012
        There are many oddities

        And the main oddity is you!
    2. Machito
      Machito 13 November 2020 17: 35
      +3
      Quote: pytar
      As stated in the Investigative Committee of Belarus, aggressive localshanging ribbons in the courtyard between Chervyakova streets and Smorgovsky tract, where the "square of changes" is located, fought with masked unknownswho tried to remove these tapes.

      What a strange statement from SKB! Locals "aggressively" hung ribbons in their yard, or "aggressively" did not give "unknown in masks" burst into them, take off the tapes? Like if you are wearing masks, do what you want! Who is without a mask, an aggressor! Does this also apply to visits to banks? So let's all wear baklavas, and there is protection against covid! fool

      Natsiks are walking around in masks in Ukraine. And they beat and kill, but the EU does not give a damn about that: a fascist will not peck out a fascist's eyes.
      1. pytar
        pytar 13 November 2020 20: 40
        -2
        Let's say it is, as you say! yes We read ...
        В masked go to Ukraine Natsik. And beatand are killing.

        It is so in Belarus! IN masked go around beat, are killing! So there are Natsiks there too!
        ... and the EU does not give a damn about that: a fascist will not peck out a fascist's eyes.

        Therefore, the EU is also fascists, right? And you support those who "in masked to Belarus, beatand are killing...", then Bish Natsik! What are you then? request
        1. Machito
          Machito 13 November 2020 21: 39
          +2
          You Bulgarians were friends with Hitler, and we are always against the fascists, both German and Ukrainian. And if for you there is no difference between zigging Nazis and the police, then you have a direct road to the Fourth Reich. In Germany, by the way, the police respect Hitler very much.
          1. pytar
            pytar 13 November 2020 23: 11
            -5
            Yes, all at one time or another were friends with Hitler. Various pacts were concluded, the planet was divided. And what do you think are the differences between those who wear masks, and beat, kill, (zigzat) with others, again in masks doing the same thing (they do not zigzag current)?
            1. Machito
              Machito 13 November 2020 23: 18
              +1
              Are you talking about the Americans?
            2. Gene84
              Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 21
              +9
              Quote: pytar
              all were friends with Hitler at one time or another. Different pacts were concluded, the planet was divided

              Well, yes, Great Bulgaria shared the planet with Hitler laughing
              1. pytar
                pytar 16 November 2020 10: 18
                -1
                Well, yes, Great Bulgaria shared the planet with Hitler

                Fortunately, there was nothing like that. Divided by others, but then quarreled among themselves and quickly "forgot"! And they are dismembered!
        2. Gene84
          Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 20
          +9
          Quote: pytar
          Therefore, the EU is also fascists, right?

          Precisely noticed.
          Quote: pytar
          And you support those who "wear masks to Belarus, beat and kill ..."

          We support law and order and those who are against the ancient enemies of the Slavs, that is, against the West.
          Quote: pytar
          What are you then?

          Not like you. We are for traditional relationships. wink
          1. pytar
            pytar 16 November 2020 10: 23
            -1
            Fascism tends to mimic! He's an insidious thing! These signs can be found among those who are now presented as "ardent patriots, heirs of anti-fascists"!
            We support law and order and those who are against the ancient enemies of the Slavs, that is, against the West.

            There is no rule of law, a dictatorship of rotting people! To support such a dictatorship is anti-Slavic business!
            Not like you. We are for traditional relationships.

            And we, Gennady and we. This is all right in the Balkans! The people here are strong, conservative, even more than you! Balkan means mountain, mountains!
    3. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 18
      +8
      Quote: pytar
      What a strange statement from SKB!

      Some strange comment you have fool
      1. pytar
        pytar 16 November 2020 10: 24
        0
        Some strange comment you have fool

        For someone strange, but I do not understand why you beat your head? You put it in order, or what? request
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 November 2020 16: 38
    +9
    Of course I'm sorry for the guy.
    I see his death immediately tried to present as a long-awaited "sacred sacrifice."
    1. Gene84
      Gene84 15 November 2020 22: 22
      11
      What else could you expect from pro-Western collaborators?
  • Lord
    Lord 13 November 2020 17: 21
    0
    so the Belarusian Heavenly Hundred begins to gather
  • Wolf
    Wolf 13 November 2020 17: 22
    +4
    What about the investigation in Germany, will it be at the international level?


    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=856681931804740&id=100023888235453
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 13 November 2020 17: 33
    +4
    Tikhanovskaya has nothing to do with it at all. What can a doll solve when worn on a puppeteer's hand?
    1. Nemo1976
      Nemo1976 13 November 2020 23: 38
      +8
      Quote: Dimy4
      What a doll can decide

      What kind of blouse to wear for shooting.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 13 November 2020 17: 35
    +3
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Quote: faiver
    I think so, these 80% want to live in peace, but this chicken wants a mess ...

    Oh, is it? It was possible to recount the ballots, under the cameras, so that all the questions could be removed in a maximum of a week. Nothing too complicated. One large room, a dozen cameras, a dozen tables, 3-4 dozen counting people, a hundred people for security, plus a week of time. Everything. Instead .... .... Yes, one gasoline spent to disperse the disaffected has probably already cost more than organizing an exemplary, in terms of transparency and reliability, recount of votes. And the one who ordered to destroy the ballots wants a mess. Urgently destroy, as evidence of a crime is destroyed.

    This is where the exemplary turbid "transparency" is, it is in the USA. Tell Biden and Trump about your calculation method.
  • fif21
    fif21 13 November 2020 19: 02
    +4
    "Police monsters" mock Protestants everywhere! wassat And in Europe and the USA and even in the Russian Federation!
    Or maybe they protect the rule of law ?! So, the European crocodile tears do not touch the "father". hi
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 13 November 2020 19: 58
      +6
      Quote: fif21
      Or maybe they protect the rule of law ?!

      no, the locals trampled the campaign of this slain zmagar when he hung up his fascist ribbons. it seems that the zmagars were already so tired of the Belarusians that they began to kill them little by little ... "people's love" pnimash request
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 13 November 2020 20: 53
    +1
    Doesn't the EU want to rein in the EU?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 November 2020 21: 18
    +4
    We are waiting for an article about Sveta tomorrow! She burned something like this there today, about folk demands! Psaka is resting. You can't print this at night, you will have to go into the refrigerator for cognac, otherwise you won't fall asleep after labor trips! drinksIt will be a bomb tomorrow. lol
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 14 November 2020 06: 37
    0
    Quote: Anton S
    He was resisted by unknown persons in masks (they were the first to attack him), who took him away in an unknown direction (as it turned out later in the police department), and the police appeared in the courtyard only later.
    About "the majority for the father" - this majority is not visible, they cannot gather them anywhere and in any way.

    All opposition sites of police officers have recently been described as "unknowns in even or masks," and their protestors are always "incredible heroes in white clothes," but in reality with an animal grin under them. The silent majority, which for Old Man will not allow this 3-10% of the "incredible" to destroy what was built in 30 years. In Ukraine, such "incredible heroes" were so convinced that the population decreased from 52 (fled from the territory of freedom and happiness) to 25 million, and those who escaped work for the economies of other states, because their incredible, chocolate and clown leaders are acre of nationalist tinsel (like Long Live Belarus, Long Live Ukraine, etc., etc.) and can not offer without a visa, because they are more concerned about their pocket. Read in your spare time how many billions of dollars (through various machinations) the firms of Uncle Biden and his son from the people of Ukraine have pumped out, and then broadcast about fighters, protestors and other "incredible people in white clothes"
  • Gray-haired Zinnik
    Gray-haired Zinnik 14 November 2020 17: 37
    0
    The monkey wants to change the cage. I really want the Poles to be friends
  • Most kind
    Most kind 16 November 2020 04: 07
    0
    Yellow vests, how many died there, more sanctions, good and different, but in general, but father himself is guilty, only from his throat he took off the unloading with a machine gun and here you are, let's live together and preferably together, especially with psheks and Balts, we eat one country when they were. So he and the European Union are wrinkling, but how he wanted cheeses, shrimps and other crap through his country, and here it smelled like fried Russians help, the next time it may not work, the Russians may not come, this talking head allows himself too much
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