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Norwegian press: US ignored Armenia's call for help

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The pro-Western orientation did not help Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan in his confrontation with Azerbaijan. Again I had to call for help from Russia. The Norwegian edition of Steigan writes about it.


When Nikol Pashinyan became head of the Armenian government, he did not hide his critical attitude towards "Putin's" Russia. Voices began to be heard in Yerevan in support of the withdrawal of the Russian military base from Gyumri. The US Embassy in Armenia is the second largest among all American embassies in the world. At the same time, Pashinyan hastened to get rid of many senior officers of the army and security forces, apparently suspecting them of pro-Russian sentiments.

However, while "democracy was being built" in Yerevan, their armed forces were being strengthened in Baku. Azerbaijan, using its oil revenues and assistance from Turkey, has managed to modernize its army quite well in several years. When it came to the armed confrontation in Karabakh, it turned out that it is much better equipped and armed than the Armenian armed forces. Of course, the fighting spirit of the defenders of Karabakh cannot be questioned, but one cannot advance far from the determination to fight to the end, and even the former boundaries cannot be defended. And so it happened: Shusha and a number of important regions were lost, Stepanakert itself was under threat.

However, the United States did not come to Pashinyan's aid, ignoring Armenia's calls for help, according to Norwegian journalists. There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But this did not happen: while formally condemning the military actions in Karabakh, in fact neither the United States nor "friendly" France did absolutely nothing to stop the rapid advance of Azerbaijani troops.

As a result, as the Norwegian edition writes, Nikol Pashinyan had no choice but to turn to Russia for help, to the very Putin whom he had criticized not so long ago.

The defeat in Karabakh became a tragedy for the Armenian people and an indelible stain on Pashinyan's political career. But it cannot be said that Azerbaijan and Turkey also won. Although Azerbaijan gained control over a part of the formerly ruled by the NKR regions, Putin did not give Ilham Aliyev a total victory in Karabakh. As a wise elder relative, he judged the quarrel between Yerevan and Baku and allowed the latter to take part of the territories, but did not allow the disappearance of Armenian Karabakh either. Now a 2-strong Russian peacekeeping contingent will stand between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis, which means one thing - as long as the Russian troops remain, there will be no conflict in Karabakh.

It is unlikely that the appearance of Russian armed forces in Karabakh was part of Turkey's plans, but now nothing can be done. In fact, the NKR came under the control of Moscow, in addition to the military base in Gyumri, a contingent appeared in Karabakh. In fact, Turkey's plans to create a corridor to Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea failed, which was to be expected. Actually, Recep Erdogan, with his rash policy in Syria, Libya and the Black Sea region, himself ran into a decisive response from Russia, and he received it.

A separate moment is the pro-Western forces in Armenia: they have learned a very good lesson from both Moscow and Washington. Russia showed Armenia that it is ready to help and be the guarantor of its security, but for this it is necessary to stop looking at the United States and the European Union.

In turn, the Americans have demonstrated in reality complete indifference to the Armenian people and their problems. Now only a mentally retarded person or an outspoken hireling in Armenia can call to be guided by the United States and the European Union. The war in Karabakh put an end to the question of who can help Armenia and who is completely indifferent to it.
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  1. Master
    Master 13 November 2020 13: 22 New
    +1
    In fact, Turkey's plans to create a corridor to Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea failed, which was to be expected.

    Well, actually. The corridor was cut. Now you can get to Turkey through Zangezur
    1. the finish
      the finish 13 November 2020 13: 32 New
      +5
      This corridor is a mirror of Lachinsky, there will be no one will not become the other.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 13 November 2020 13: 44 New
        +1
        An interesting opinion of one Armenian political scientist: Answer your question: why does Aliyev need peacekeepers, if after Shushi he could get all Artsakh without Armenians in 2 weeks ?! Could Armenia have won without Russia? How could Russia help if the Georgian sky was closed? There was one way to answer all these difficulties! Give Aliyev Shusha, in return he is joyful, because he would never have taken, begins to trust Putin and agrees to peacekeepers! Pocket Georgia opens the sky! Russia is powerfully entering Artsakh!
        Comes in because Aliyev swallowed "Shusha" bait.And what will Aliyev do now, when 15 Armenians do not withdraw their troops from Karvachar, and Putin 15 brings peacekeepers there? Aliyev will say, BB, the Armenians are not withdrawing their troops and are violating the agreements. Do you know what Putin will answer with Lavrov's voice? "Russia expresses concern that the Parties to the conflict do not respect the Agreement."
        Ilham, Putin will say, well, they don’t come out of there, but they don’t shoot at you, I cannot force them out, I don’t have such a mandate! And the point ?! What will Aliyev do? Will shoot at peacekeepers ?! Really?! But now the skies of Georgia are closed by the Russian group, and Erdogan will not be able to fly, because he is the "third force" which is not provided for by the Agreement! What remains for Erdogan? How to help brother Ilham? Only on the ground ?! And now remember whose army has been concentrating for a month on the border with Nakhichevan ?! Iranian! Do you think she will miss her "sworn friend Erdogan" ?!
        Super plan! We'll see it in action on November 15th!

        One of these days, Russia will announce an unmanned space over Artsakh. This will mean that for the world, the peacekeeper made such a decision in relation to all military aircraft and UAVs, except for the air forces of the peacekeepers. Any aircraft will go down without warning. I would not even be surprised if Russia demonstratively knocks down an Armenian UAV. For the view! But the sky will be closed from the Turks. And all this is based on the mandate that Aliyev himself gave to Putin, blinded by the gift from "Shusha"! Now look at the map. According to the agreement, Shusha remained in the center of Artsakh, which is completely controlled by Russia! Not a single Azeri military truck or soldier will enter there! One road will be blocked.

        And one more question! Why did Nikol give Shusha ?! The answer "betrayal" is the answer of an idiot! Notice! The army was simply withdrawn! Just! Shusha was presented for the sake of Aliyev's trust in Putin, who gave him the bait exactly on the day of the flag! This is the true goal of surrendering Shushi! If Nikol was an idiot, well, he would have continued to fight! Why Gave Shusha, knowing that he would be torn! That is why I gave it to make the puzzle for Aliyev complete.

        Gentlemen, listen to me! Ready to answer questions. Shusha is a Trojan horse that Putin and Nikol gave to Aliyevso that the Russian army entered Artsakh on legal rights and the Georgians opened the air! You will see on November 15, when the Armenians will withdraw nothing! Arayik blabbed about that we would not leave. Well, if I blabbed it out and blabbed it out)) follow the events. And don't make Putin a traitor who dances to the tune of tomatoes

        This is how the Russians could appear in Artsakh and only this way. Wait! Kutuzov also gave away Moscow, and signed the peace in Paris! We gave Shusha temporarily to outsmart "One people - two graves"! Victory will be ours!!! I hug everyone!
        Today is Friday the thirteenth, there are two days left until 15. Let's wait, whether the Armenian political scientist is right or not, but in any case, the alignment is interesting. hi
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 13 November 2020 14: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: Proxima
          An interesting opinion of one Armenian political scientist: Answer your question: why does Aliyev need peacekeepers, if after Shushi he could get all Artsakh without Armenians in 2 weeks ?! Could Armenia have won without Russia? How could Russia help if the Georgian sky was closed? There was one way to answer all these difficulties! Give Aliyev Shusha, in return he is joyful, because he would never have taken, begins to trust Putin and agrees to peacekeepers! Pocket Georgia opens the sky! Russia is powerfully entering Artsakh!
          Comes in because Aliyev swallowed "Shusha" bait.And what will Aliyev do now, when 15 Armenians do not withdraw their troops from Karvachar, and Putin 15 brings peacekeepers there? Aliyev will say, BB, the Armenians are not withdrawing their troops and are violating the agreements. Do you know what Putin will answer with Lavrov's voice? "Russia expresses concern that the Parties to the conflict do not respect the Agreement."
          Ilham, Putin will say, well, they don’t come out of there, but they don’t shoot at you, I cannot force them out, I don’t have such a mandate! And the point ?! What will Aliyev do? Will shoot at peacekeepers ?! Really?! But now the skies of Georgia are closed by the Russian group, and Erdogan will not be able to fly, because he is the "third force" which is not provided for by the Agreement! What remains for Erdogan? How to help brother Ilham? Only on the ground ?! And now remember whose army has been concentrating for a month on the border with Nakhichevan ?! Iranian! Do you think she will miss her "sworn friend Erdogan" ?!
          Super plan! We'll see it in action on November 15th!

          One of these days, Russia will announce an unmanned space over Artsakh. This will mean that for the world, the peacekeeper made such a decision in relation to all military aircraft and UAVs, except for the air forces of the peacekeepers. Any aircraft will go down without warning. I would not even be surprised if Russia demonstratively knocks down an Armenian UAV. For the view! But the sky will be closed from the Turks. And all this is based on the mandate that Aliyev himself gave to Putin, blinded by the gift from "Shusha"! Now look at the map. According to the agreement, Shusha remained in the center of Artsakh, which is completely controlled by Russia! Not a single Azeri military truck or soldier will enter there! One road will be blocked.

          And one more question! Why did Nikol give Shusha ?! The answer "betrayal" is the answer of an idiot! Notice! The army was simply withdrawn! Just! Shusha was presented for the sake of Aliyev's trust in Putin, who gave him the bait exactly on the day of the flag! This is the true goal of surrendering Shushi! If Nikol was an idiot, well, he would have continued to fight! Why Gave Shusha, knowing that he would be torn! That is why I gave it to make the puzzle for Aliyev complete.

          Gentlemen, listen to me! Ready to answer questions. Shusha is a Trojan horse that Putin and Nikol gave to Aliyevso that the Russian army entered Artsakh on legal rights and the Georgians opened the air! You will see on November 15, when the Armenians will withdraw nothing! Arayik blabbed about that we would not leave. Well, if I blabbed it out and blabbed it out)) follow the events. And don't make Putin a traitor who dances to the tune of tomatoes

          This is how the Russians could appear in Artsakh and only this way. Wait! Kutuzov also gave away Moscow, and signed the peace in Paris! We gave Shusha temporarily to outsmart "One people - two graves"! Victory will be ours!!! I hug everyone!
          Today is Friday the thirteenth, there are two days left until 15. Let's wait, whether the Armenian political scientist is right or not, but in any case, the alignment is interesting. hi

          But we all expected that the nation of marshals and generals, having beaten the tomato traders, would enter Baku request
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 13 November 2020 14: 17 New
            +5
            I left the post of this Armenian unchanged, word for word, though Kutuzov did not sign any peace in Paris. He died in 1813. Let's write it down as an extravagant expression of a hot Caucasian guy! good
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 November 2020 15: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: Proxima
              I left the post of this Armenian unchanged, word for word, though Kutuzov did not sign any peace in Paris. He died in 1813. Let's write it down as an extravagant expression of a hot Caucasian guy! good

              Old anecdote
              How do Arabs beat Jews?
              - Like Kutuzov of the French! They lure them to Cairo and wait until they freeze there ...
              1. krot
                krot 14 November 2020 08: 30 New
                0
                Norwegian press: US ignored Armenia's call for help

                I wonder if the Norwegians know that the United States, together with Britain, support the war in Donbass? Warming her up in every possible way ..
            2. hydrox
              hydrox 14 November 2020 11: 08 New
              +1
              And he said this,
              So beautiful! -
              That I almost got hit ...
              The version is too close to the truth to be believed. Won Russia gave Moscow away, but to rejoice in the return SO, as Ilham does ... or is it just southern exaltation?
              But still foldable good
          2. AB
            AB 13 November 2020 14: 22 New
            11
            nation of marshals and generals

            All these people became them only while living in Russia and the USSR.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 November 2020 15: 02 New
              +5
              Quote: AB
              nation of marshals and generals

              All these people became them only while living in Russia and the USSR.

              Yes, that's all clear. I wrote about Ponta laughing
            2. kubanec
              kubanec 13 November 2020 15: 55 New
              +3
              And while studying in Soviet and Russian military educational institutions .......
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 13 November 2020 16: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: kubanec
                And while studying in Soviet and Russian military educational institutions .......

                Yes, this is also up to the door - a lot of theory is good, but UAVs, for example, have been widely used since 1982 and no one has yet drawn up an "academic" program for countering drones - neither in the West, nor in Israel, nor in Russia, nor, most likely , in China
          3. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 14: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar

            But we all expected that the nation of marshals and generals, having beaten the tomato traders, would enter Baku

            "We are all" who else besides you? True, it seems to me that you were joking. wink
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 November 2020 14: 32 New
              +5
              Seems right laughing Victory with Russian help, the Armenians, they would tell everyone that they single-handedly defeated the Turks, Azerbaijanis and IS in addition))
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 14: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Seems right

                Phew ...., relieved from the heart. laughing
                And I, as a sinful thing, thought - did Krasnodar really go crazy?
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Conquer the Armenians with Russian help,

                I completely rule it out. This is not our war. But to calm down the fighters, for the benefit of themselves, is the very thing. True, I fear for our guys in NK, they are still folk, both of them can shoot in the back.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 November 2020 15: 05 New
                  +4
                  Well, yes - the place is still that gadyushnik. The contingent was sent for a military presence in the region of Turkish interests, but what about the fact that this is not our war - I agree 100%
          4. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 13 November 2020 14: 41 New
            +2
            nation of marshals and generals
            And there are not enough soldiers for everyone. Here's the catch! laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 November 2020 16: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              nation of marshals and generals
              And there are not enough soldiers for everyone. Here's the catch! laughing

              Not too mundane work negative
          5. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 13 November 2020 15: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Shusha is a Trojan horse that Putin and Nikol gave to Aliyev,

            Leaving Putin out of brackets, it seems to me that the Armenians, as soon as they catch their "Achilles", will beat him for a long time and relish. Maybe even on the heels (or heels).
        2. Master
          Master 13 November 2020 14: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Proxima
          An interesting opinion of one Armenian political scientist: Answer your question: why does Aliyev need peacekeepers, if after Shushi he could get all Artsakh without Armenians in 2 weeks ?! Could Armenia have won without Russia? How could Russia help if the Georgian sky was closed? There was one way to answer all these difficulties! Give Aliyev Shusha, in return he is joyful, because he would never have taken, begins to trust Putin and agrees to peacekeepers! Pocket Georgia opens the sky! Russia is powerfully entering Artsakh!
          Comes in because Aliyev swallowed "Shusha" bait.And what will Aliyev do now, when 15 Armenians do not withdraw their troops from Karvachar, and Putin 15 brings peacekeepers there? Aliyev will say, BB, the Armenians are not withdrawing their troops and are violating the agreements. Do you know what Putin will answer with Lavrov's voice? "Russia expresses concern that the Parties to the conflict do not respect the Agreement."
          Ilham, Putin will say, well, they don’t come out of there, but they don’t shoot at you, I cannot force them out, I don’t have such a mandate! And the point ?! What will Aliyev do? Will shoot at peacekeepers ?! Really?! But now the skies of Georgia are closed by the Russian group, and Erdogan will not be able to fly, because he is the "third force" which is not provided for by the Agreement! What remains for Erdogan? How to help brother Ilham? Only on the ground ?! And now remember whose army has been concentrating for a month on the border with Nakhichevan ?! Iranian! Do you think she will miss her "sworn friend Erdogan" ?!
          Super plan! We'll see it in action on November 15th!

          One of these days, Russia will announce an unmanned space over Artsakh. This will mean that for the world, the peacekeeper made such a decision in relation to all military aircraft and UAVs, except for the air forces of the peacekeepers. Any aircraft will go down without warning. I would not even be surprised if Russia demonstratively knocks down an Armenian UAV. For the view! But the sky will be closed from the Turks. And all this is based on the mandate that Aliyev himself gave to Putin, blinded by the gift from "Shusha"! Now look at the map. According to the agreement, Shusha remained in the center of Artsakh, which is completely controlled by Russia! Not a single Azeri military truck or soldier will enter there! One road will be blocked.

          And one more question! Why did Nikol give Shusha ?! The answer "betrayal" is the answer of an idiot! Notice! The army was simply withdrawn! Just! Shusha was presented for the sake of Aliyev's trust in Putin, who gave him the bait exactly on the day of the flag! This is the true goal of surrendering Shushi! If Nikol was an idiot, well, he would have continued to fight! Why Gave Shusha, knowing that he would be torn! That is why I gave it to make the puzzle for Aliyev complete.

          Gentlemen, listen to me! Ready to answer questions. Shusha is a Trojan horse that Putin and Nikol gave to Aliyevso that the Russian army entered Artsakh on legal rights and the Georgians opened the air! You will see on November 15, when the Armenians will withdraw nothing! Arayik blabbed about that we would not leave. Well, if I blabbed it out and blabbed it out)) follow the events. And don't make Putin a traitor who dances to the tune of tomatoes

          This is how the Russians could appear in Artsakh and only this way. Wait! Kutuzov also gave away Moscow, and signed the peace in Paris! We gave Shusha temporarily to outsmart "One people - two graves"! Victory will be ours!!! I hug everyone!
          Today is Friday the thirteenth, there are two days left until 15. Let's wait, whether the Armenian political scientist is right or not, but in any case, the alignment is interesting. hi

          Do not you think that this is a fairy tale of an Armenian "political scientist" to calm down his own people. They say we came up with it ourselves. What's this? Another "tactical retreat"?)) But they will not withdraw, this is a violation of agreements. This means that the agreement itself is no longer valid. In any case, both you and I understand that such an outcome of events will not happen. Is not it?
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 13 November 2020 14: 31 New
            +5
            It seems to me only one thing that today's trilateral agreement on an armistice is extremely beneficial for the Armenians. They lost the war - that's a fact. Most importantly, the bloodshed has been stopped for now, at least ..
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 13 November 2020 16: 10 New
              +5
              Quote: Proxima
              It seems to me only one thing that today's trilateral agreement on an armistice is extremely beneficial for the Armenians. They lost the war - that's a fact. Most importantly, the bloodshed has been stopped for now, at least ..

              It is beneficial to everyone - the Armenians were allowed to save face, the Azerbaijanis were relieved of the headache of controlling and providing for the hostile population of the NKR.
          2. Alexander I
            Alexander I 13 November 2020 14: 37 New
            +3
            Yes, Putin keeps his word, and the Armenians will have to leave the transferred areas
        3. gsev
          gsev 13 November 2020 20: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: Proxima
          One of these days Russia will announce an unmanned space over Artsakh.

          Does Russia need another adversary and conflict in addition to Moldova, Syria, Ukraine and Japan? During the 2008 war, Azerbaijan remained neutral and is waiting for understanding from Russia. How will Russia cover the sky of Karabakh, if the paths there are blocked by both Georgia and Azerbaijan and Iran and Turkey? The entire Muslim world is now behind Azerbaijan. The conquered Azerbaijan-Nakhichevan-Turkey corridor will make it possible to lay a direct route of Iranian and Central Asian gas to Europe and strangle Gazprom with all its flows. Moreover, this will not be done with European money and with free help from Russian troops. Aliyev seems to have achieved all his goals. In my opinion, he is a wise politician and is ready to give Armenians rights that Russians do not have in the Baltics, Armenia, Ukraine and even Belarus.
          1. businessv
            businessv 13 November 2020 21: 37 New
            0
            Quote: gsev
            Aliyev seems to have achieved all his goals. In my opinion, he is a wise politician and is ready to give Armenians rights that Russians do not have in the Baltics, Armenia, Ukraine and even Belarus.

            The future will show, but Iran is unlikely to export its gas to Turkey. And the Sultan tarnished his reputation in connection with the Turkish Stream, which is mostly empty.
            1. gsev
              gsev 14 November 2020 13: 51 New
              0
              Quote: businessv
              tarnished its reputation with the Turkish Stream, which is mostly empty.

              It just became more profitable for the Turks to receive energy resources from Azerbaijan, paying for supplies not in currency, but with Turkish industrial products. And it's time for our politicians and top managers of large companies to come to the conclusion that the stability and reliability of supplies is a reason to twist the arms of the supplier. Russia has invested in flows from the Bulgarian to the North, and now it has to find money to pay interest on Western loans that were spent on frozen funds at the bottom of the seas.
      2. Machito
        Machito 13 November 2020 14: 12 New
        +3
        Armenia, following other countries (Libya, Kuwait, Iraq, etc.), became convinced that the Americans cannot be trusted. So what? This has not diminished the number of people willing to ride the rake. Ukraine has jumped off: Biden is the president. She canceled the criminal case against Biden and will start licking him hard in the most immodest places in order to repeat the fate of Armenia, to serve as a consumable for Uncle Sam.
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 November 2020 13: 44 New
      +5
      A separate moment is the pro-Western forces in Armenia: they have learned a very good lesson from both Moscow and Washington. Russia showed Armenia that it is ready to help and be the guarantor of its security, but for this it is necessary to stop looking at the United States and the European Union.

      Considering that Turkey is a NATO member, the lesson is clear and comprehensive.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 14: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        A separate moment is the pro-Western forces in Armenia: they have learned a very good lesson from both Moscow and Washington. Russia showed Armenia that it is ready to help and be the guarantor of its security, but for this it is necessary to stop looking at the United States and the European Union.

        Considering that Turkey is a NATO member, the lesson is clear and comprehensive.

        Do you believe that the lesson is learned? Me not.
      2. Borik
        Borik 13 November 2020 14: 53 New
        +2
        Norway openly warns all the state licks, if they suddenly have any problems, then they do not need to rely on the help of an overseas uncle, but to resolve the problems themselves.
  2. alma
    alma 13 November 2020 13: 23 New
    13
    Now only a mentally retarded person or an outspoken hirer can call in Armenia to focus on the United States and the European Union

    Several thousand lives had to be sacrificed for this "insight".
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 13 November 2020 13: 29 New
      +9
      The question is whether another lesson will be learned.
      Or, next time, the promises of personal fat pieces to the top of the Armenian government will lead to a similar result.
  3. cniza
    cniza 13 November 2020 13: 24 New
    +8
    There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But this did not happen: formally condemning the military actions in Karabakh, in fact, neither the United States nor "friendly" France did absolutely nothing to stop the rapid advance of Azerbaijani troops.


    What to say ? they showed their true face in all their glory ...
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 13 November 2020 13: 32 New
      -5
      Something I have not heard any calls for help to the Americans.
      I can only imagine what you would say if the Americans intervened.
      In fact, they had nothing to do there, and they have no time for Armenians today.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 November 2020 13: 55 New
        +5
        On October 16 of this year, it was actually quite officially addressed. The OSCE Minsk Group existed for some reason. but as usual, some words are empty. nothing new.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 13 November 2020 14: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          On October 16 of this year, it was actually quite officially addressed. The OSCE Minsk Group existed for some reason. but as usual, some words are empty. nothing new.


          October 16:
          .Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan appealed to the US and French authorities on the situation with the escalation of tensions in the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh.
          He called on Paris and Washington to support the efforts of the Russian authorities to resolve the conflict as co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group

          Point. hi
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 13 November 2020 14: 14 New
            +2
            really) Period) no one did anything. and even more so to help stop the war.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 14: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: A. Privalov
        In fact, they had nothing to do there,

        And when did this stop the mattress makers? They have a "zone of vital interests" all over the world.
        Quote: A. Privalov
        and they are not up to the Armenians today.

        Well, don't tell me. Whatever perturbations occur in the United States, and the state. the secretary with his staff continues to work "according to a predetermined plan"
        Therefore, their "non-interference" has some other basis.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 13 November 2020 14: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And when did this stop the mattress makers? They have a "zone of vital interests" all over the world.

          Do you really think the Americans should have intervened? Send troops? Start military action on the side of Armenia? On the side of Karabakh? Pile in both hands of Azerbaijan?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 15: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov

            Do you really think the Americans should have intervened? Send troops? Start military action on the side of Armenia? On the side of Karabakh? Pile in both hands of Azerbaijan?

            No, I do not think so. Mattress makers have other levers of influence both on Baku and Yerevan.
            And they did not interfere, as in my opinion, because this conflict is beneficial to them. And the longer it went on, the better for them. That's all.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 13 November 2020 15: 27 New
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And they did not interfere, as in my opinion, because this conflict is beneficial to them. And the longer it went on, the better for them. That's all.

              Well, just like that, the United States is asleep and sees that the Azerbaijanis are chuckling than more Armenians in Karabakh? What is their benefit and what is better for them? With their own levers, the Americans had to climb into the long-standing conflict of unrecognized separatists?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 15: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: A. Privalov

                Well, just like that, the US is asleep and sees that the Azeris are chuckling than more Armenians in Karabakh?

                They don't give a damn about either one or the other. The main thing is to have hotbeds of tension on the borders of Russia. And the more and the longer the better.
                Whatever one may say, these hotbeds of tension distract Russia, its leaders, and its resources from solving internal Russian problems. This, in turn, creates tension within Russian society.
                Do you really not understand this, or do you pretend not to understand?
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 13 November 2020 17: 28 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Do you really not understand this, or do you pretend not to understand?

                  These are primitive tales of the sovagitprop type about evil fat bourgeois who sit on sacks of gold and cigars in their teeth with all their imperialist forces preventing the hardworking proletariat from building a bright communist future. Resources are distracting them, you see! Karabakh is the last thing that could create at least some tension within Russian society. Truly, it is rightly said:
                  Hooray patriots are a completely different matter. They generally cannot understand the difference between reality and their ideas about reality,
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 20: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: A. Privalov

                    These are primitive tales like sovagitprop about evil fat bourgeois sitting on sacks of gold and cigars in their teeth with all their imperialist forces interfering

                    When there is nothing to say, they begin to talk nonsense.
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Resources are distracting them, you see! Karabakh is the last thing that could create at least some kind of tension within Russian society.

                    Karabakh, you say. Have you heard anything about Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, Donbass? And all around - give. I am generally silent about Syria.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 13 November 2020 23: 01 New
                      -2
                      Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, Donbass, these are your personal troubles.
                      Here's on the elevators, that's for sure, Obama. For the next 4 years, Biden will shit under the door, and Kamala will burn mailboxes.
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 00: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: A. Privalov

                        Here's on the elevators, that's for sure, Obama. For the next 4 years, Biden will shit under the door, and Kamala will burn mailboxes.

                        Well, dance tsuki-tsuki for joy and calm down.
          2. cniza
            cniza 13 November 2020 17: 07 New
            +2
            I will answer with a phrase from the article:

            There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But that didn't happen
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 13 November 2020 17: 34 New
              -1
              Quote: cniza
              I will answer with a phrase from the article:

              There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But that didn't happen

              You would be the first to be happy here, they say, why the hell is the United States getting into their own business and what right they have to impudently tell sovereign states what to do or not to do.
              1. cniza
                cniza 13 November 2020 17: 41 New
                +1
                You would be the first to be happy here,


                How do you make this conclusion? If the United States gave a click on the two noses of Erdogan and Aliyev, I would only welcome, but they did not, it means they benefit from this conflict in an acute form, that's all ...
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 13 November 2020 17: 48 New
                  -1
                  Quote: cniza
                  If the United States gave a click on two noses of Erdogan and Aliyev,

                  I will repeat. The US has nothing to do there. North Caucasus is the zone of influence of Russia. Your speculations about the American benefit are politically shortsighted.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 13 November 2020 17: 59 New
                    +2
                    Your speculations about the American benefit are politically shortsighted.


                    Well, given the fact that the second NATO army is now at our borders, and yes, the United States is not interested and has the second largest Embassy in the world in Yerevan, well, not at all interested ...
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 13 November 2020 18: 39 New
                      -1
                      There may be 100500 of them, but they do not want to meddle between Armenian separatists and Turkish fighters from Syria.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 13 November 2020 18: 46 New
                        +2
                        They always try to do everything with someone else's hands, and this time too ... They could have extinguished an armed conflict by diplomatic methods, but they did not, but on the contrary ...
                      2. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 November 2020 19: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: cniza
                        They always try to do everything with someone else's hands and

                        A worn-out stamp and a mossy cliché.
                        Quote: cniza
                        Could diplomatically extinguish an armed conflict

                        Could not. Here Vladimir Vladimirovich was needed, clutching the Armenian eggs with one hand, the Azerbaijani ones with the other, and kicking the Turkish eggs in the balls, repelling the desire to further climb into Karabakh.
                        The USA could not cope with such a delicate work.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 13 November 2020 20: 47 New
                        +1
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        Quote: cniza
                        They always try to do everything with someone else's hands and

                        A worn-out stamp and a mossy cliché.


                        As well as your argument.

                        The USA could not cope with such a delicate work.


                        USA - elephants? laughing
                      4. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 13 November 2020 22: 18 New
                        -1
                        Quote: cniza
                        USA - elephants?

                        There were elephants. Now, there will be donkeys. lol
      3. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 13 November 2020 17: 40 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        I will answer with a phrase from the article:

        There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But that didn't happen

        All chants and yells, as well as puffs and sopils
        Everyone went to the choice, YES!
        Trump parm - param - param - param - pam - pam!
        Biden Voices Steals Pum - Pum - Pum!
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 13 November 2020 13: 34 New
    +6
    On the other hand, Turkey is in NATO, and even when Turkey rams with another NATO member (Greece), the United States does not really fit in. And here - Armenia, a member of the CSTO. And the hypocrisy of Amers and Europeans has long been no secret. They did not care about the war in Donbass, and about the death of children, women and the elderly. It's not an Afro-gangster to torture ...
  • Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 13 November 2020 17: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    What to say ? they showed their true face in all their glory ...

    Exactly!
    Oil net ?! Daway, dasvidanya!
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 November 2020 13: 29 New
    +4
    The pro-Western orientation did not help the Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan ...

    The reality is ...
    But for some reason, many still do not understand this. Patricians are not at all interested in the problems of plebeians .. if they do not affect the interests of the first ..
  • Garm
    Garm 13 November 2020 13: 33 New
    +1
    It is a pity that Armenians do not read Norwegian newspapers.
    After all, they will definitely accuse Russia of not letting them win in Karabakh ...
    1. Ramadan
      Ramadan 13 November 2020 13: 44 New
      +3
      “It's a pity that Armenians don't read Norwegian newspapers.
      After all, they will definitely accuse Russia of not letting them win in Karabakh ... "
      If the Armenians want to, then let them denounce the ceasefire treaty and go to the front with songs, and we'll see what happens. The Ukrainians do not want to fulfill the Minsk agreements and no one can prevent them from doing so. It's the same here. The main thing is not to overestimate your strength, in my opinion the existence of Armenia itself is already at stake.
      1. Garm
        Garm 13 November 2020 14: 22 New
        +2
        Nooo it will have to fight, but apparently there is nothing to fight with. But to throw mud, to arrange nasty things and to shout Russia the occupier is easy.
        1. Ramadan
          Ramadan 13 November 2020 14: 53 New
          0
          This is already out of despair, anger, resentment and stupidity.
  • faiver
    faiver 13 November 2020 13: 35 New
    +3
    US ignored Armenia's call for help
    - Well, how would it be logical, what percentage of Americans can show this Armenia on the map without Google?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 14: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      Well, how would it be logical, what percentage of Americans can show this Armenia on the map without Google?

      If in Russia not everyone knows where Armenia is, then for the Americans it is simply not necessary.
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 November 2020 14: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        If not everyone in Russia knows where Armenia is
        - the USE generation has grown ...
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2020 14: 39 New
      0
      Quote: faiver
      US ignored Armenia's call for help
      - Well, how would it be logical, what percentage of Americans can show this Armenia on the map without Google?

      You might think that these "percent of Americans" are deciding something. Help or not.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 November 2020 13: 37 New
    +1
    Oddly enough, everything is written correctly! I wonder if this publication will be closed soon after a shout from the USA? ??
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 13 November 2020 13: 42 New
    10
    Armenia itself recognized Karabakh? No. Did the Armenian army fight in Karabakh? No. How should someone's help be expressed? Just wondering. Armenians, explain? Someone (but not you) should have attacked Azerbaijan and Turkey? On what grounds? The request of the Armenians?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 13 November 2020 13: 53 New
      +7
      Armenia itself recognized Karabakh? No. Did the Armenian army fight in Karabakh? No. How should someone's help be expressed?
      I hesitated to ask them this question !!! And already stopped repeat They will not answer anyway, useless !!!
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 13 November 2020 13: 42 New
    0
    And no one stands on ceremony with traitors, the Nazis generally shot Russian policemen during the retreat.
    Because they have no faith.
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 13 November 2020 13: 50 New
    +3
    An interesting situation. I work in a brigade with both an ethnic Azeri and an Armenian who moved to Russia after the earthquake. The Azerbaijani is still young (20 years old), and was born in the Russian Federation, so he could not really express anything on the essence of the problem. But the Armenian was very worried about the abandoned homeland and wondered why Russia was silent on the calls of Armenia and did not send troops to Karabakh. In response to my arguments about why Russians should die again for other people's interests, shouts like “invaders, get out of Armenia”, and there are also norms of international law, ”oddly enough, he began to strongly criticize the entire Armenian government and those who supported it Armenians. He even said that it would not be beneficial for Russia if NATO peacekeepers entered Karabakh. To my answer that the Russian Federation is waiting for an advantageous moment, he just shrugged his shoulders: "So people are dying ...".
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 November 2020 14: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Seems right laughing Victory with Russian help, the Armenians, they would tell everyone that they single-handedly defeated the Turks, Azerbaijanis and IS in addition))

    You don't have to go far, the Bulgarians overcame the Ottoman Empire alone, singing only a revolutionary song, prudently fled to Bucharest laughing
  • karima
    karima 13 November 2020 14: 50 New
    0
    It would not hurt to understand who said Paul Steigan (born May 31, 1949 in Oslo) is a Norwegian communist, former leader of the Maoist Workers' Communist Party AKP (ml) from 1975 to 1984, and also the leader of the Red Electoral Alliance (RV) until 1979. 1] [2] He is a writer and editor.
    Norwegian press. But how.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 November 2020 15: 02 New
    +2
    “The fulfilled prophecy of Primakov. Competent people say that the great Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov had a conversation with the then President of Armenia Levon Ter-Petrosyan in the early 90s. It was a time of great Armenian victories in Karabakh.

    Primakov said approximately the following: “We have agreed with Europe and the United States. We offer you to return the occupied regions to Azerbaijan, in exchange for this Azerbaijan recognizes the "Armenian part of Karabakh" itself.

    After Petrosyan's consultations with the Armenian "field commanders", the answer to this proposal was: "We cannot do this, they will not understand us and will be swept away by the street, which believes that what the Armenians conquered should not be surrendered to the enemy."

    Then Primakov said: “Azerbaijan knows how to work and wait. They have the resources. It will take 10, 20, 30 years, they will gain strength and take EVERYTHING from you. ” laughing
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 13 November 2020 19: 05 New
      +1
      In any case, the key is to work and wait.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 November 2020 15: 12 New
    +2
    "THE RUSSIAN OCCUPANTS BETRAYED ... The occupiers betraying the occupied - this is a ready-made thriller. Don't you think? laughing fool  
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 November 2020 15: 15 New
    0
    In his interview, the President of the Russian Federation stated that if Armenia unleashes this war again, it may not hope for help from Russia, and that the Russian Federation is no longer going to help anyone with weapons or finances. Only he said all this more harshly and rudely (for the first time I see him so embittered and emotional). laughing
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 13 November 2020 16: 07 New
    +1
    US ignored Armenia's call for help
    In the words of the classic "Well, son, did your Poles help you?" And how Pashinyan was filled with a lark, about adherence to the principles of democracy and a pro-Western vector. And also about the great friendship with the United States. There are also some other smart people in Ukraine who are raving about the "Azerbaijani scenario" in Donbass. They say the states will help, but Russia will not intervene. laughing
  • NF68
    NF68 13 November 2020 16: 48 New
    0
    Another thoroughly began to saw the branch on which his whole country was "sitting". Maybe at least now he will start thinking with his head first, and only then do something.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 13 November 2020 16: 49 New
    +1
    Armenian radio:
    In vain Pashinyan bowed down in front of Biden.
    But Armenians are the most beautiful nation.
    1. Turanov
      Turanov 13 November 2020 17: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      Armenian radio:
      In vain Pashinyan bowed down in front of Biden.
      But Armenians are the most beautiful nation.

      Well, for good reason, not in vain, but someone's accounts in offshores have increased several times .. Who is the war, and who is a mother .. Such things Baloo begin! hi
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 13 November 2020 16: 59 New
    0
    However, the United States did not come to Pashinyan's aid, ignoring Armenia's calls for help, according to Norwegian journalists. There is no doubt that a harsh shout from Washington would have had an effect on Baku. But this did not happen: while formally condemning the military actions in Karabakh, in fact neither the United States nor "friendly" France did absolutely nothing to stop the rapid advance of Azerbaijani troops.

    The same will happen in the conflict between Greece and Turkey, if it comes to that. In fact, Turkey can already squeeze out territories in the Mediterranean. repeat
  • Turanov
    Turanov 13 November 2020 17: 27 New
    0
    The United States has fulfilled its task in this region, blood has been shed and will continue to flow, and Russia has been dragged in! So Nikola is no longer needed, in Turkey now I think he is the safest place .. Pashinyan is a disgrace to Armenia!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 November 2020 19: 51 New
    0
    Why did the bitter experience of Georgia 080808 not become a lesson for all the sold-out leaders of the countries?
    Americans will NOT fight for someone, they will not ............ they are like naive rams waiting for help from the United States
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 13 November 2020 20: 29 New
    0
    In turn, the Americans have demonstrated in reality complete indifference to the Armenian people and their problems. Now only a mentally retarded person or an outspoken hireling in Armenia can call to be guided by the United States and the European Union. The war in Karabakh put an end to the question of who can help Armenia and who is completely indifferent to it.

    It is enough to open Armenian sites, read blogs, where you can in Russian, where you can remember English, to understand that this is not so. On the contrary, it is written everywhere that Armenia made a mistake in choosing an ally and that conclusions need to be drawn.
    BUT, it is clear that no one canceled the politeness, some of the Russian Armenians doing business here and ... funding nationalists, of course, are marked by pro-Russian statements. The situation is close and resembles the early Outskirts ...
  • certero
    certero 13 November 2020 23: 27 New
    0
    Quote: gsev
    During the 2008 war, Azerbaijan remained neutral and is waiting for understanding from Russia

    It’s not funny to write that? that Azerbaijan would fit in for the Georgians against Russia?
    Azerbaijan had no other choice but to remain completely neutral and try not to shine so that it would not be noticed.
  • certero
    certero 13 November 2020 23: 29 New
    -1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Abkhazia, Ossetia, Transnistria, Donbass, these are your personal troubles.
    Here's on the elevators, that's for sure, Obama. For the next 4 years, Biden will shit under the door, and Kamala will burn mailboxes.

    Ride yourself on calmly. It doesn't concern you
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 14 November 2020 00: 49 New
    0
    Now Armenians and Azerbaijanis will shoot at our peacekeepers and blame them for everything. Everything is as always, someone ate meat.
  • Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 14 November 2020 01: 29 New
    +1
    Good article. Competent balanced analytics! hi
  • Paramon Pictures
    Paramon Pictures 14 November 2020 08: 43 New
    0
    I started talking, and sometimes you carry such a blizzard topwar
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 November 2020 18: 53 New
    +1
    for once from the Norgs you can hear quite reasonable reasoning
  • businessv
    businessv 14 November 2020 20: 14 New
    0
    Quote: gsev
    It just became more profitable for the Turks to receive energy from Azerbaijan,
    I did not talk about the benefit, I talked about the reliability of the partner, which does not exist.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 November 2020 06: 48 New
    0
    They just summed up some obvious results and made the same conclusions ..... so it's ok, sanity won this time.
    Although, in the general information flow, this will hardly be noticeable.
    From filtering, smearing, covering up with a wave of all .... lies.