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Turkish Foreign Ministry insists: Turkish military will participate together with Russian in the peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh

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One gets the impression that the authorities of Russia and Turkey are saying diametrically opposite things about the peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh exclusively for internal use. If Moscow has repeatedly emphasized that only Russian peacekeeping contingent will be present in Karabakh, and refer to the letter of the signed agreement, then Ankara again declares about the Turkish presence and the Turkish role.

Turkish media (TRT Haber) cite a statement by the country's Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, who again reported on the work to jointly create a center for control and monitoring of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh. According to Cavusoglu, consultations with the Russian delegation are scheduled for November 13-14.

Turkish Foreign Minister:

The Turkish military will participate with the Russian in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh to monitor the situation and monitor the implementation of the agreement.

It is clear from this statement that Ankara actually insists on the presence of its military in Karabakh. At least that is how some Turkish media present the situation.

As you can see, this statement completely contradicts the statements of the Russian Foreign Ministry, which said that besides the Russian peacekeepers, there will be no other peacekeepers, including Turkish ones, in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Perhaps the parties now have different understanding of what exactly each of them refers to the concept of Nagorno-Karabakh. For example, over the past few days, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has been constantly talking about the fact that Nagorno-Karabakh has no status, “the status has gone to hell”, as well as that Baku can only provide the status of cultural autonomy for the Armenians of the region. , but not in any way administrative-political autonomy.

Returning to the statements of the Turkish Foreign Ministry, it is worth noting that Cavusoglu specified the following:

Observation points will be created on the Nagorno-Karabakh boundary line and in the Lachin corridor.

Let us recall that, according to the official authorities of the Russian Federation, only Russian peacekeepers should be present on the aforementioned boundary line and in the Lachin corridor. Apparently, Ankara has a different point of view.

Now it remains to wait for the results of the consultations announced by Cavusoglu.

And this is the statement of Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar:

A large delegation is arriving from Russia tomorrow. Our friends will discuss who will stand where, how many people will be, what they will specifically do.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 13 November 2020 07: 59 New
    13
    The Turkish military will participate with the Russian in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh to monitor the situation and monitor the implementation of the agreement.

    In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.
    1. figwam
      figwam 13 November 2020 08: 08 New
      31
      Quote: Svarog
      In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.

      Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 November 2020 08: 18 New
        17
        Quote: figvam
        Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.

        The presence of the Turkish military in the region where the Christian population lives will lead to greater destabilization in Karabakh. The attitude of Armenians who have not forgotten the Turkish genocide is just a mockery of the Armenian people.
        1. Nar Al
          Nar Al 15 November 2020 20: 07 New
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: figvam
          Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.

          The presence of the Turkish military in the region where the Christian population lives will lead to greater destabilization in Karabakh. The attitude of Armenians who have not forgotten the Turkish genocide is just a mockery of the Armenian people.


          First, what has to do with the religious issue. Some guardians of Christianity say something more about religious moments than the so-called unloved ones. "Islamists". Secondly, why the so-called propagandists "Turkish genocide", which allegedly took place more than a century ago, does not care about the real Armenian genocide against Azerbaijanis in the 90s? They haven't forgotten either!
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 November 2020 22: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Nar Al
            Armenian genocide against Azerbaijanis in the 90s? They haven't forgotten either!

            My neighbor, an Armenian, well remembers Sumgait and Baku, so there are no Armenians or Azerbaijanis who are right and guilty among you, everyone here has his own truth, and we are just observers in it.
      2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 13 November 2020 08: 18 New
        -9
        Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might

        He does not want to, but WILL participate in full.
        Not for that did the Turks help Azerbaijan to beat the Armenians, so that later they would give everything to Russia.
        Even how they will participate and our peacekeepers will shit every day.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 13 November 2020 10: 31 New
          +8
          This gopota will be impudent as long as they allow.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 13 November 2020 10: 57 New
            17
            According to international law, peacekeepers of a particular country enter the conflict territory by agreement of two parties (Azerbaijan and Armenia). Yerevan will definitely be against the presence of the Turks, therefore all these wishes of the political leadership of Turkey are not well-to-do.
            Erdogan should be aware of the fact that the peacekeepers should be from a "disinterested" country. And Turkey cannot be called that. hi
            I think the UN (or Moscow) will poke the Turkish representative into these points of international law, if they continue to suggest themselves.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 13 November 2020 11: 28 New
              -8
              Russia is also not "an uninterested country in fact, Armenia's ally in the CSTO
              Well, Turkey did not care about any rules, they just lead troops to the region and that's it
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 13 November 2020 11: 34 New
                +9
                The fact is that Baku and Yerevan agreed to the introduction of Russian peacekeepers, which corresponds to the international. right.
                Karabakh was not recognized by anyone and is not the territory of Armenia. The CSTO (the organization of the collective security treaty) had no reason to interfere in this war, because de jure, Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan. Those. hostilities were conducted on the territory of this sovereign state hi
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 13 November 2020 11: 40 New
                  -6
                  Well, why does Turkey need permission from someone other than Azeirbajan to be present on its territory?
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 13 November 2020 11: 44 New
                    +8
                    Regulations on Peacekeepers in International Law. A war between two peoples in any country can lead to genocide of one of them. Therefore, peacekeepers are introduced with the consent of the two opposing sides. hi
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                    2. Ros 56
                      Ros 56 13 November 2020 19: 36 New
                      0
                      In theory you are right, but tell this to the Serbs.
                2. serge siberian
                  serge siberian 14 November 2020 16: 12 New
                  +1
                  does not belong, but is a part of Azerbaijan.
              2. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 14 November 2020 05: 31 New
                0
                It will enter, if it doesn’t wear it while it is being injected ...
            2. Nar Al
              Nar Al 15 November 2020 20: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              According to international law, peacekeepers of a particular country enter the conflict territory by agreement of two parties (Azerbaijan and Armenia). Yerevan will definitely be against the presence of the Turks, therefore all these wishes of the political leadership of Turkey are not well-to-do.
              Erdogan should be aware of the fact that the peacekeepers should be from a "disinterested" country. And Turkey cannot be called that. hi
              I think the UN (or Moscow) will poke the Turkish representative into these points of international law, if they continue to suggest themselves.


              Do not worry. Then Turkey will deploy its forces in any territory of Azerbaijan, including the liberated lands of Karabakh, and from there, from the ground and from the air, it will monitor the situation. And there is an agreement on this.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 15 November 2020 22: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              According to international law, peacekeepers of a particular country enter the conflict territory by agreement of two parties (Azerbaijan and Armenia).

              The agreement was signed by three parties; there is no fourth party to Turkey in it.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 23: 02 New
                -1
                The Turks settled in Azerbaijan and can appear in Nagorno-Karabakh at any moment.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 15 November 2020 23: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  The Turks settled in Azerbaijan and can appear in Nagorno-Karabakh at any moment.

                  Well, once they sat down, then let them sit, otherwise they may run into.
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 13 November 2020 08: 53 New
        13
        Everything is simple here, our columns are marching, checkpoints are becoming. The Turks are not visible, which means we will not see them.
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 13 November 2020 18: 31 New
          0
          Putin said there will be only Turkish observers.
        2. Nar Al
          Nar Al 15 November 2020 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: neri73-r
          Everything is simple here, our columns are marching, checkpoints are becoming. The Turks are not visible, which means we will not see them.


          Do not hurry. You will still see
        3. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 15 November 2020 23: 00 New
          -1
          Pro-Turkish militants can be naughty there.
      4. halpat
        halpat 13 November 2020 09: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Svarog
        In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.

        Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.

        Well, it now looks something like this:
        Styopa tried to recall something, but only one thing was remembered - that it seemed yesterday and no one knew where he stood with a napkin in his hand and tried to kiss some lady, and promised her that the next day, and at exactly noon, he would come to to visit her. The lady refused this, saying: "No, no, I will not be home!" - and Styopa persistently insisted: “But I’ll take it and come!”

        smile
        let's see what's next.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 November 2020 23: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Halpat
          let's see what's next.

          Turkey will come, the genocide started at the beginning of the 20th century will continue.
      5. icant007
        icant007 13 November 2020 10: 47 New
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.


        There was an interesting broadcast on Vesti-FM radio today.
        Turkologist Stanislav Tarasov gave his vision of the situation around Karabakh.
        Although I have always considered him pro-Armenian, today he was quite objective.
        There and about Turkey and Pan-Turkism, who is interested

        https://radiovesti.ru/brand/61007/episode/2465040/#
      6. jovanni
        jovanni 13 November 2020 12: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: Svarog
        In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.

        Turkey wants to be present in the region with all its might, it has long been clear that our concessions are regarded as weakness.

        Turks, they are like that ... as the saying goes, "you are at their door, they are at the window" ... So let's see what the words of our Foreign Ministry are worth ...
      7. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 13 November 2020 13: 18 New
        -2
        On the other hand, if the Turks are nearby, under supervision, it is definitely better than they will climb where and where to do something.
      8. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 November 2020 13: 24 New
        +2
        Only if the independence of Kurdistan is recognized in Istanbul and the lands where they wish to live are allocated to the Kurds, one can think about the introduction of Turkish military peacekeepers into Karabakh! But, just think! !!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 13 November 2020 08: 13 New
      +6
      ... Ankara actually insists on the presence of its military in Karabakh

      Salami is cut thinly. Little by little. First, they recorded the military achievements of Azerbaijan in the negotiations with Russia. Now you can cut further. I will not be surprised that the Turks will achieve their goal.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 November 2020 23: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Now you can cut further. I will not be surprised that the Turks will achieve their goal.

        It all depends on which side the "third party" takes.
    3. Crowe
      Crowe 13 November 2020 08: 15 New
      17
      Please clarify what colors. Only more slowly, I write down. Tomatoes will not get off? They already insist, panim. This is what politics leads to
      "And I (Thokotokno speak out loud and remember his name) I say to you: do not resist the evil one. But whoever hits you on your right cheek (SU-24), turn to him the other one (Mi-24)"
      So all sorts of Turks with such an approach will slap our cheeks.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 November 2020 23: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Crowe
        So all sorts of Turks with such an approach will slap our cheeks.

        Under Catherine the Great, the Turks received checks and candelabra. Although they were patronized by the Anglo-Saxons.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 08: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Svarog
      In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.

      Turkey introduces its "peacekeepers" not to control the agreement, but for its presence in the region. Where it enters, destabilization begins, as it is in Syria and Libya. Militants from the SNA will enter together with the Turks, and the tension will only increase.
      The entry of the Turkish military will confirm that both Armenians and Azerbaijanis have lost in the Karabakh conflict.
    5. barclay
      barclay 13 November 2020 09: 04 New
      +8
      By providing military support to Azerbaijan, the Turks are promoting their expansion. Together with the Azerbaijanis, they are the winners in this situation. So their desire to ignore will be problematic. As a result, Turkish soldiers will be on the territory of Azerbaijan. It can be a peacekeeping contingent, or maybe just a military base as opposed to ours in Armenia. And this will most likely happen, despite the meowing of our Foreign Ministry.
    6. t00r
      t00r 15 November 2020 07: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      The Turkish military will participate with the Russian in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh to monitor the situation and monitor the implementation of the agreement.

      In this case, the story will sparkle with completely different colors.

      Yes, the Turks can be outside the mission of peacekeepers, but they are not limited by treaties, and actually, formally, Aliyev has every right to invite any sovereign state to the territory under their control, just like Bashar Assad invited the Russian Federation. So against the 1960s, the RF MS with light small arms can put as many of its own forces as necessary and there is nothing to be done about it.
  2. V1er
    V1er 13 November 2020 08: 00 New
    +3
    "You are at the door - they are at the window!" laughing
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 November 2020 08: 06 New
      +2
      The Turkish military will participate, along with the Russian, in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh to control the situation and control
      Turks consider themselves to be the winners, and therefore such statements.
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 13 November 2020 08: 07 New
      +2
      The Sultan became insolent. He insists that this is what a secret, and not a demonstrative response, to openly hostile actions leads to.
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 13 November 2020 08: 12 New
      +8
      Quote: V1er
      "You are at the door - they are at the window!" laughing

      Well, it would be surprising if Turkey, pursuing a policy of expansion, limited itself only to helping Azerbaijan. To provide such assistance and not get anything from it is a blow below the belt.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 13 November 2020 08: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: V1er
      "You are at the door - they are at the window!"

      Oh, and Aliev will cry with such friends! It will play out to the point that the Turks will grab all of Karabakh for themselves. They completely forgot that it was an Autonomous Republic!
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 13 November 2020 08: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: V1er
        "You are at the door - they are at the window!"

        Oh, and Aliev will cry with such friends! It will play out to the point that the Turks will grab all of Karabakh for themselves. They completely forgot that it was an Autonomous Republic!

        Aliyev put himself in such a position.
        It just won't be.
        Now he is balancing on a tug-of-war between Turkey and Russia.
    5. syndicalist
      syndicalist 13 November 2020 08: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: V1er
      "You are at the door - they are at the window!"

      There was no door. More precisely, it was only for domestic Russian use.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 13 November 2020 08: 02 New
    +3
    It is clear from this statement that Ankara actually insists on the presence of its military in Karabakh.
    Perhaps, this means the presence of the Turkish military in the territories conquered by Azerbaijan ... Like Karabakh, but still Azerbaijan. But here everything depends on Aliyev. And Aliyev went to the conclusion of peace, most likely afraid of falling under excessive dependence on Turkey. So we'll take a look.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 08: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Lesovik
      Perhaps it means the presence of the Turkish military in the territories conquered by Azerbaijan ... Like Karabakh, but still Azerbaijan. But here everything depends on Aliyev.

      There is an Armenian population in Karabakh, and there is no Azerbaijani population there, although this is the territory of Azerbaijan, there is no Armenian population on the territory of the transferred regions, so there are enough Russian peacekeepers who suit both parties to prevent any excesses. Well, nothing depends on Aliyev there, because in Azerbaijan the Turks have been behaving like masters since 1991.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 13 November 2020 08: 34 New
      -1
      "The Turkish military will participate together with the Russian in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh to monitor the situation and monitor the implementation of the agreement."

      there it is specifically written what the Turks want .. with quotes .. therefore, "perhaps" clearly does not fit their desires .. to say that it is "possible" for them to succeed? - it seems to me more correct ..
    3. Tzar
      Tzar 13 November 2020 08: 51 New
      0
      It also seems that it will be like in Idlib until the last offensive of the Syrians - on one side of the demarcation line, the posts of Russian peacekeepers, on the other - Turkish. Whether Aliyev really needs these Turkish posts is a question ...
  4. raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 13 November 2020 08: 12 New
    +4
    I would like to ask for a link from the author, where it is written "The Turkish military will participate together with the Russians in a joint peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh in order to monitor the situation and monitor the implementation of the agreement." in Turkish.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 13 November 2020 08: 25 New
      +2
      https://www.trthaber.com/haber/dunya/daglik-karabagda-baris-gucunun-gorevi-ne-olacak-530420.html
      1. raki-uzo
        raki-uzo 13 November 2020 08: 45 New
        +5
        Thanks! The Turkish Foreign Ministry says in the record that both countries have a lonely role to identify violations of the ceasefire and take action, if necessary, that Turkish officers will work in observation points on Azerbaijani soil where Azerbaijani officials see fit.
    2. syndicalist
      syndicalist 13 November 2020 08: 35 New
      -7
      The world has changed. In modern warfare, drones fight against drones. At the current initial, short stage, the Papuans with traditional weapons, as was the case with the Armenians and Russian weapons, are still opposed to drones. But this stage will be passed very quickly.
      Why on earth in a peacekeeping mission, the Turks must suddenly return to outdated technology. Let those who have no other possibilities use it.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 13 November 2020 10: 35 New
        0
        In modern war there is a modern air defense, if one side does not have it, then enemies from the air dominate, that drones are there, that aviation.
  5. NDR-791
    NDR-791 13 November 2020 08: 19 New
    +8
    Turkish Foreign Ministry insists: Turkish military will participate together with Russian in the peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh
    Morning has begun on the collective farm !!! Someone doubted? Now let's wait for the reaction. How is our power there - with or without eggs ...
  6. cniza
    cniza 13 November 2020 08: 31 New
    +2
    Let us recall that, according to the official authorities of the Russian Federation, only Russian peacekeepers should be present on the aforementioned boundary line and in the Lachin corridor. Apparently, Ankara has a different point of view.


    What did we expect from them that they would agree?
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 13 November 2020 08: 40 New
    +4
    Turkish Foreign Ministry insists:

    But this is the starting point !!!
    Let's see who has a Faberge made of metal, and who has none at all.
  8. Alexey G
    Alexey G 13 November 2020 09: 04 New
    -1
    It's hard for me to say what our Foreign Ministry considers a victory for our diplomacy on Karabakh! In fact, we are sending 2 thousand people to the operational environment. One has only to look at this map!

    Lachin corridor is a narrow 5 km wide communication channel with the surrounded Stepanakert! If I were a German field marshal, I would immediately ask the Supreme to withdraw our units from there, and not push them to the bottom of the bottle! If desired, the cork can be easily plugged, and there will be no other connection overland with those surrounded! After all, we don't even have borders with Armenia !!!! So the peacekeepers are in a double ring !!!
    If the Foreign Ministry proceeded from the opinion that we ousted the Turks, then it is most likely wrong. The Turks may now be on the border with Armenia. The loss of the Kalbajar region in the north and the capture of Gubadli in the south create many opportunities for the Turks to be present. Well, Azerbaijan can even provide them with a place for a military base, like the Armenians are for us! And where is the victory ???????
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 13 November 2020 09: 21 New
      +9
      Podeba in ending the war.
      In confirming the status of Russia as a real guarantor of stability, in reality capable of carrying out such a mission.
      Further consolidation in the region.

      And about the environment.
      Our peacekeeping contingent was already surrounded in South Ossetia.
      The result is known.
      In this case, the operational situation will be somewhat different due to the complicated logistics.
      But the result will be the same.
      Means by others.
      All our bosom partners perfectly understand this.
      Because of course they will shit, but finely and carefully.
      hi
    2. V1er
      V1er 13 November 2020 09: 21 New
      +5
      I think the victory is that if we had not intervened, the Azerbaijanis would have taken all of Karabakh completely, reached the borders with Armenia and there was already a risk of war in Armenia itself. Turkish bases would set up in Lachin and Stepanakert. And so it seems like a compromise, but temporary. There are 5 years for revenge. It all depends on the further movements of the Turks, what they will undertake.
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 13 November 2020 09: 49 New
        -2
        Lachin region and so in my opinion for Azerbaijan. Look at the map!
        1. V1er
          V1er 13 November 2020 10: 28 New
          +2
          Lachin region and so in my opinion for Azerbaijan. Look at the map!
          But we will control it, not the Turks.
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 13 November 2020 10: 30 New
            -1
            We will control only the corridor, and the whole apartment will be Turkish-Azerbaijani !!!!
      2. karima
        karima 13 November 2020 09: 51 New
        -2
        Quote: V1er
        I think the victory is that if we had not intervened, the Azerbaijanis would have taken all of Karabakh completely, reached the borders with Armenia and there was already a risk of war in Armenia itself. Turkish bases would set up in Lachin and Stepanakert. And so it seems like a compromise, but temporary. There are 5 years for revenge. It all depends on the further movements of the Turks, what they will undertake.
        Who will revenge it?
        1. karima
          karima 13 November 2020 11: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: karima
          Who will revenge it?
          And immediately a minus came to the legitimate question instead of answering. No doubt from whom. And Azerbaijan should pay attention to the true goals of the Armenians:
          There are 5 years for revenge.
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 November 2020 09: 21 New
      +1
      they are peacekeepers. according to their functions, they should be located in similar places in general. there is simply no other way to perform these functions.
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2020 10: 01 New
      -1
      I am not a general staff officer or a diplomat, but I also think so. And then, the Turks fought on the side of Azerbaijan and can legally place their base there. And what will happen to our military surrounded by these three countries is not entirely clear. Thus, we again blamed the problems of the Armenians on our shoulders. What's the point? ...
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 13 November 2020 10: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        we again put the problems of the Armenians on our shoulders

        When and what problems did we blame the Armenians?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 13 November 2020 18: 31 New
        +1
        Logical.
        Russia represents the losing side - Armenia.
        Turkey presents the winner - Azerbaijan.
        The winners have the trump cards, not the losers.
    5. Bully
      Bully 13 November 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      In fact, we send 2 thousand people to the operational environment

      Now is not the beginning of the 20th century. Behind these 2 thousand there is a nuclear power, and not somewhere far away, but in the immediate vicinity - in the area of ​​responsibility of the Southern Military District. Moreover, it seems that this group will not be limited to 2 thousand personnel and ridiculous weapons. How do you propose to move it aside, are there options? wink But the road to Nakhichevan can always be blocked. Do you think there will be people willing to open it?
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 13 November 2020 10: 52 New
        -6
        Nuclear weapons in the 21st century have shown their worthlessness in modern warfare. Many people possess it and nobody wants to get it back !!! And where do you propose to dump it on a NATO member country or hit it in Baku ??? Don't you find it funny?
        And you don't need to move it! Now the Turks have it all! And the years will pass and we'll see what happens! Turks are developing and we? This is the question. At a convenient moment, they will hit the proxy with their hands and then our soldiers will have a problem! In which we put them now. Remember the peacekeepers in Tskhinvali! But the situation there was not even as difficult as it would be possible in Karabakh!
        And what about Nakhichevan! They lived normally without a corridor! They have a border with Iraq, another Muslim Shiite state.
        1. Bully
          Bully 13 November 2020 11: 09 New
          0
          Well, try to move the US base even in Western Europe, even in Japan, even at Bl. East. Summary - there are no applicants, although not everyone is delighted with their presence.
          About the proxy. In theory, there is such an option, but ... Azerbaijan automatically casts doubt on its viability as a state and turns into Syria 5 years ago. Do you think Azerbaijan needs it?
          Nakhichevan is bordered by Iran, Turkey and Armenia. Question: who has the greatest interest in the transport communication Azerbaijan-Nakhichevan through the territory of Armenia?
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 17 New
            -3
            Iran and Turkey of course!
          2. Alexey G
            Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 20 New
            -3
            And then we will not have a base in Karabakh, but only peacekeepers and even then for 5 years!
            1. Bully
              Bully 13 November 2020 11: 34 New
              0
              Alexey, you shouldn't take literally what is written in the agreement. The troops are not being brought in in order to withdraw them in 5 years. The USSR withdrew its troops from Western Europe due to treason in the top leadership. The United States, for example, is still not going to liquidate its bases in Japan, and the Japanese have simply forgotten who bombed them with atomic weapons - that generation has left and it has been replaced by an absolutely spineless community.
              1. Alexey G
                Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 36 New
                -2
                You better think about how to persuade Armenia to come to terms with this shame and not attack Azerbaijan! And then think about what to do to the peacekeepers who are in the pope!
              2. Alexey G
                Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 41 New
                -2
                And if the Armenians attack, the first thing that the Azerbaijanis will do is cut off Stepanakert and the piglets to flee us!
              3. Alexey G
                Alexey G 13 November 2020 12: 20 New
                +1
                And most importantly, think about what is our benefit from this? Stop the Turks? But they are actually in our rear! What have we acquired a gold mine? An oil well? Not at all! Have created possible future hemorrhoids - yes! And how much aircraft fuel will be spent on supply through Yerevan and then by transport through the corridor? It wasn't easier to expand our presence in Armenia and, most importantly, to keep the regions adjacent to Armenia, preferably at least a little with gold in the ground !!!?
                1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                  Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2020 19: 03 New
                  0
                  I can understand Americans. They are taking over oil-rich territories. What are we doing? We place our bases not only in the middle of nowhere, but also where there is, in general, nothing. And the maintenance of such a database will fall on the shoulders of ordinary taxpayers. And this is called ,, protection of their interests ,, What are our interests there ,,? Find yourself between two enmity shield, centuries, peoples? Let them be at enmity. These are their problems. They are independent subjects of international law. And besides, those who dreamed for centuries about liberation from Russian accupation. Like a classic - "" if you want to be free, be it "You will see, in a year or two the Armenians will again jump in the squares and shout that the Russians did not give them the opportunity to" win ". Moreover, they will also demand the withdrawal of our troops.
        2. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 13 November 2020 11: 32 New
          +1
          the "uselessness" of nuclear weapons lies in the fact that NATO forces superior in all respects have not yet dared to cross the border of the Russian Federation, in the war with Georgia only the presence of nuclear weapons and their delivery means did not give NATO a chance to start a war with the Russian Federation because of Georgia, so your uselessness is somehow strange
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 34 New
            -2
            Vitaly! The USSR collapsed with nuclear weapons! Aren't you strange?
            1. Vitaly161
              Vitaly161 13 November 2020 11: 38 New
              0
              mind you it was not conquered, but it collapsed, for a number of reasons, and not without the help of well-known personalities, name me at least one country or bloc of countries that decided to conduct full-fledged military operations on the territory of the USSR? yes, no one !!! for yourself dearer
              1. Alexey G
                Alexey G 13 November 2020 12: 23 New
                -2
                And the defeat in Afghanistan? And Chechnya for a year went to the independent life not from the state with nuclear weapons ???
        3. Vitaly161
          Vitaly161 13 November 2020 11: 34 New
          0
          Az-well needs a corridor to Nakhichevat otherwise she will sail to Turkey, but Aliyev does not need this
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 38 New
            -1
            He himself, in my opinion, is sailing to Turkey, don’t you?
            1. Vitaly161
              Vitaly161 13 November 2020 11: 40 New
              0
              yeah, and that's why Mr. Aliyev simply threw the Turks into a quiet one, concluding an agreement without them, and the Turks would very much like to bring in their peacekeepers, but they put the Wishlist in their place
              1. Alexey G
                Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 42 New
                0
                Well, let's see! Time will soon show if Aliyev can deliver Erdogan !!!
                1. Vitaly161
                  Vitaly161 13 November 2020 11: 45 New
                  -1
                  I also hope that Mr. Aliyev will be able to keep tukov at a distance, with the Russian Federation it is not at all for him to swear at all, the more so to attack our MS, having a common land border, because this is equal to suicide
                  1. Alexey G
                    Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 48 New
                    -2
                    Aliyev doesn't need to attack him yet! Armenia needs revenge! And then Aliyev will defend himself and strike at us as well, and then he will apologize like for a helicopter! Well, war is like war! We stood in their way!
    6. Babermetis
      Babermetis 13 November 2020 11: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: Alexey G
      It's hard for me to say what our Foreign Ministry considers a victory for our diplomacy on Karabakh! In fact, we are sending 2 thousand people to the operational environment. One has only to look at this map!

      Lachin corridor is a narrow 5 km wide communication channel with the surrounded Stepanakert! If I were a German field marshal, I would immediately ask the Supreme to withdraw our units from there, and not push them to the bottom of the bottle! If desired, the cork can be easily plugged, and there will be no other connection overland with those surrounded! After all, we don't even have borders with Armenia !!!! So the peacekeepers are in a double ring !!!
      If the Foreign Ministry proceeded from the opinion that we ousted the Turks, then it is most likely wrong. The Turks may now be on the border with Armenia. The loss of the Kalbajar region in the north and the capture of Gubadli in the south create many opportunities for the Turks to be present. Well, Azerbaijan can even provide them with a place for a military base, like the Armenians are for us! And where is the victory ???????


      Believe in the Spirit of the Russian Soldier and the power of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, and not in the theory of German field marshals, especially Turkish ones.
      The victory is that the war between the two peoples has ended. I hope forever, at least a few decades, and then ... I won't care ...
      1. Alexey G
        Alexey G 13 November 2020 11: 12 New
        -3
        Heh heh! Believe it is good! I believe !!! And this theory is not German or Turkish !!! It is military and confirmed by military science !!! Don't stick your nose in the narrow-necked ledge unless you're going to hit first !!!!
        But the fact that the war is over is hard to believe! Rather a respite before the main events!
        The problem is that the Armenians themselves will not be able to put up with it !!! Too hurtful defeat !!!
        And they themselves can provoke a war !!! And then what should ours do ??? Sitting in a bag ??? Run back?
  9. Yuri Stepanov
    Yuri Stepanov 13 November 2020 09: 22 New
    +3
    Let our Kurds invite. Whatever life looks like honey. So let's see how it ends.
    1. karima
      karima 13 November 2020 09: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: Yuri Stepanov
      Let our Kurds invite. Whatever life looks like honey. So let's see how it ends.
      Yours have already been invited. Azerbaijan handed over a list of Armenian mercenaries, including Kurds.
  10. flicker
    flicker 13 November 2020 09: 23 New
    +2
    Turkish Foreign Ministry insists: Turkish military will participate together with Russian in the peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh
    The Turks simply cannot, but simply refuse, to believe that they will not be in Karabakh.
    It was Azerbaijan who fought for the territory of Karabakh, and the Turks fought for legitimately entering the South Caucasus.
    Moreover, the Turks need to enter not on the basis of an agreement with Azerbaijan, but precisely on the basis of a peace agreement, in this case their presence on the territory of Azerbaijan will no longer depend on the will and desire of Azerbaijan itself.
    ---
    The more the Turks strive to be included in the peacekeeping mission, the more obvious it becomes that our helicopter was shot down by order from Turkey.
    It makes sense for us to ask the Turks for the downed helicopter.
  11. Eug
    Eug 13 November 2020 09: 24 New
    +4
    As I understand it, after the strengthening of Azerbaijani control over Karabakh, Aliyev has the right to invite the troops of ANY country to his territory. The fact that it will be Turkey is Aliyev's choice. But if the trilateral (this is exactly the way in the article) agreement clearly states that no other peacekeepers, except for the Russian ones, should be there (on the territory of Karabakh and the Lachin corridor), then the Turks should not do a fig. It's another matter whether Russia will be able to insist on this, since this territory is recognized as Azerbaijani. I suspect that there will be Russian peacekeepers on the territory of Karabakh and the Lachin corridor, and Turks will stand opposite their posts on the "main" territory of Azerbaijan. And they will not leave voluntarily ...
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 13 November 2020 09: 31 New
    +2
    The Turkish side insists ... Have sunk ... ((((
  13. Alexey G
    Alexey G 13 November 2020 09: 46 New
    +1
    Well, if you take from an economic point of view, then in my opinion the same defeat! The Azerbaijanis seized the Shahumyan and Kashatagh regions, where there are the following reserves of metal ores: gold - 1250 tons, silver - 4550 tons, copper - 1840 thousand tons, lead - 660 thousand tons, zinc - 775 thousand tons, cobalt - 150 thousand tons, chromium - 2250 thousand tons. There are also significant reserves of aluminum raw materials (up to 120 million tons) and iron ores.
    Therefore, Aliyev is so happy! He won on all counts!
    1. icant007
      icant007 13 November 2020 10: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: Alexey G
      gold - 1250 tons, silver - 4550 tons, copper - 1840 thousand tons, lead - 660 thousand tons, zinc - 775 thousand tons, cobalt - 150 thousand tons, chromium - 2250 thousand tons.


      Always in all conflicts you need to look at the map of minerals)))
      1. Disant
        Disant 14 November 2020 19: 10 New
        +1
        Always in all conflicts you need to look at the map of minerals)))

        Or water and transport arteries. Or just to the ground as a source of food. Or simply on the ground as a buffer zone.
        On the Araks River there are plans to build a hydroelectric power station since Soviet times, and there was a gray zone unrecognized by anyone - who will pour money there?
    2. Rubina
      Rubina 13 November 2020 14: 31 New
      0
      Shaumyanovskiy district (former NKAO) "captured" - here you can argue; but Kashatagsky - sorry, this is Kelbajar, one of the 7 Occupied Districts, and therefore "returned"
  14. opuonmed
    opuonmed 13 November 2020 10: 54 New
    0
    Little did they want the Wishlist already gone nuts
  15. flicker
    flicker 13 November 2020 14: 53 New
    +1
    statement by Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar:

    A large delegation is arriving from Russia tomorrow. Our friends will discuss who will stand where, how many people will be, what they will specifically do.
    "Our friends" believe that Turkish friends need to rest, take a breath, receive instructions from the Anglo-Saxons, ask them not to sacrifice more Turkish lives for their (Anglo-Saxon) interests.
    ---
    Stop crawling Turkey on all fours before the Anglo-Saxons.
  16. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 13 November 2020 15: 31 New
    0
    It's too late to drink Borjomi when the liver has fallen off. It looks like they got infected with pan-head from the VNA of Ukraine.
  17. Paramon Pictures
    Paramon Pictures 13 November 2020 15: 55 New
    0
    You will die soon from lies
  18. Radius
    Radius 13 November 2020 16: 41 New
    +2
    Turks as peacekeepers between Azerbaijanis and Armenians? Sounds cooler than "British scientists" and "Ukrainian politicians" :)
  19. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 November 2020 16: 54 New
    0
    Interestingly, the Russian and Turkish sides made completely opposite statements, who will end up being a tryndobol?
  20. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 November 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    As far as I understand, the presence of peacekeepers must be coordinated with both sides of the conflict, and the Armenians will never agree to the Turks.
    Or has the Sultan decided that he will once again break all possible international laws and treaties?
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 November 2020 19: 39 New
    -1
    Let's see what the Turkish wishes and statements of our politicians and military men are worth.
  22. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 13 November 2020 19: 50 New
    0
    want and will, and Russia is on the side
  23. Azimuth
    Azimuth 13 November 2020 19: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey G
    It's hard for me to say what our Foreign Ministry considers a victory for our diplomacy on Karabakh! In fact, we are sending 2 thousand people to the operational environment. One has only to look at this map!

    Lachin corridor is a narrow 5 km wide communication channel with the surrounded Stepanakert! If I were a German field marshal, I would immediately ask the Supreme to withdraw our units from there, and not push them to the bottom of the bottle! If desired, the cork can be easily plugged, and there will be no other connection overland with those surrounded! After all, we don't even have borders with Armenia !!!! So the peacekeepers are in a double ring !!!
    If the Foreign Ministry proceeded from the opinion that we ousted the Turks, then it is most likely wrong. The Turks may now be on the border with Armenia. The loss of the Kalbajar region in the north and the capture of Gubadli in the south create many opportunities for the Turks to be present. Well, Azerbaijan can even provide them with a place for a military base, like the Armenians are for us! And where is the victory ???????
    Already Sasna Cer is buzzing, like "let's hit with a motor rally," but at the official level, the Armenians twist their tail in the direction of the Minsk group, France and the USA are understandable, so Pashik needs to be saved, after all, there is so much effort and money, but time is necessary. If the wave "for the Armenians" goes roughly, the answer "for the Azerbaijanis" will go and rush, along the way the Armenians (Americans) will start to press our 102, for the Nazis we are already enemies, at every corner they write about another Russian-Turkish collusion and another betrayal of Armenia by "Zhidorossiya ". For a long time I could not understand where I heard this, then I remembered, then I looked at the link:

    Well, the Azerbaijanis with the Turks.
    In short, we are superfluous everywhere.
    In fact, the further, the more and more we are superfluous for the Armenians, and for the Azerbaijanis, and the men, they really drove into a mousetrap. The feeling that the Armenians underestimated the Azerbaijanis, and we do not underestimate the threat from the Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
    1. Vladimir Kiev
      Vladimir Kiev 13 November 2020 20: 36 New
      0
      Good health to all!
      I am equally removed from all parties to the conflict, and therefore I think that my opinion pretends to be objective.
      1) The war has stopped - and that's good.
      2) The war was stopped including (if not mainly!) By the fact that the Russian Federation has entered into being a peacemaker.
      3) For this, the Russian Federation sent 2K peacekeepers, in fact, only with small arms (this is official - it is quite possible there are more serious systems there)
      4) And these peacekeepers will be considered "opponents" by all !: Armenians - because in their presence (as they believe), an almost complete triumph of Azerbaijan and de-occupation of the greater part of Nagorno-Karabakh took place;
      Azerbaijan - because the presence of this contingent prevented their complete victory;
      Turks by definition.
      That is, the Russian Federation is sending its military to an absolutely hostile environment! Where even those whom they are called upon to protect will consider them accomplices of the aggressor ...
      An unenviable fate!
      Especially when the Armenians decide that it is time to take revenge.
  24. Azimuth
    Azimuth 13 November 2020 20: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir Kiev
    Especially when the Armenians decide that it is time to take revenge.
    One thing is good that this will not happen soon. Now they do not need revenge, but the aggravation of the situation, the designation of the Armenian question, the Republic of Artsakh, etc. that is, to return everything to the state of eternal hemorrhoids for Azerbaijanis, us, Turks.
  25. serge siberian
    serge siberian 14 November 2020 16: 56 New
    0
    Azerbaijanis are Turks, they are only named after the area where they lived. Armenians, historically, have lived in Karabakh since the 12th century, this has already been proven until the end of the 20th century. There are facts, buildings, and the 9th century, but they do not want to take them into account Yes, and without it enough, the Armenians began to live in Karabakh before the Azerbaijanis.
    The Turks are not provided for in the treaty, well, and "if you please go out." These are the international rules. They will not stop announcing Wishlist, and they will even try to provoke, the Caspian is near. You can also "calibrate" the encroaching on Peacekeepers.
  26. Suslin
    Suslin 14 November 2020 18: 27 New
    0
    First, Turkey provoked Azerbaijan to a war with Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh, and after Russia's actions to end hostilities, Turkey demands participation in ensuring peace. What actions did they take to end the war? Turkey should not be allowed to participate in peacekeeping activities, especially in Nagorno-Karabakh. Let them stand on the sidelines.
  27. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Kasym
    The fact is that Baku and Yerevan agreed to the introduction of Russian peacekeepers, which corresponds to the international. right.
    Karabakh was not recognized by anyone and is not the territory of Armenia. The CSTO (the organization of the collective security treaty) had no reason to interfere in this war, because de jure, Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan. Those. hostilities were conducted on the territory of this sovereign state hi

    What right does Yerevan have on the territory of Azerbaijan? What the hell is this?
  28. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Suslin
    First, Turkey provoked Azerbaijan to a war with Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh, and after Russia's actions to end hostilities, Turkey demands participation in ensuring peace. What actions did they take to end the war? Turkey should not be allowed to participate in peacekeeping activities, especially in Nagorno-Karabakh. Let them stand on the sidelines.

    Armenia provoked the war with its 30-year occupation of Azerbaijani lands. Can you order to give Armenia half of Azerbaijan?
  29. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 15 November 2020 01: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Rubina
    Shaumyanovskiy district (former NKAO) "captured" - here you can argue; but Kashatagsky - sorry, this is Kelbajar, one of the 7 Occupied Districts, and therefore "returned"

    The Shahumyan region of the Azerbaijan SSR (the current Geranboy region of the Azerbaijan Republic) has never been part of the NKAO.
    The NKAO included: Stepanakert-regional center, and also: Askeran, Hadrut, Mardakert. Martuni districts and Shusha district inhabited by Azerbaijanis with the city of Shusha.
  30. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 15 November 2020 05: 56 New
    0
    Russia will not let them go there! And if it does, then kapets Moscow is completely rotten!
  31. Lena.72mail.ru
    Lena.72mail.ru 15 November 2020 08: 36 New
    0
    It is called "without soap ...", you can understand it so much strength and "it was flowing down the mustache, but the door was not falling," let's hope that MIDA has enough organization and patience to explain to them that their train has left.