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MN-17 court session: new steps of defense

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Despite the deterioration of the epidemiological situation with the coronavirus in Europe, the Netherlands resumed court hearings in the case of the Malaysian liner flight MH-17. This stage of the process may well become fateful for all of its participants - after all, if the members of the court listen to the requirements put forward by the defense and satisfy them, this, in fact, will mean the beginning of a new, objective investigation of the tragedy.


It took the judges three whole days, from November 3 to 5, in order to hear the arguments of the defenders of just one of the accused in the case - Oleg Pulatov. Initially, the lawyers demonstrated two interviews with the client, recorded by both Russian lawyers and representatives of the Netherlands. During both conversations, Pulatov, who does not in the least deny his own participation in the armed conflict in Donbass on the side of the DPR, strongly refutes the version of the destruction of the aircraft by the Russian air defense missile system "Buk". At the same time, he cites a lot of fairly serious evidence, which is simply impossible to ignore.

For example, Pulatov undertakes to argue that the militia did not have any air defense weapons, similar to those mentioned in the case materials, and were not in the territory they controlled. But he knows for sure about the presence of the Buk air defense system in the location of the Ukrainian troops stationed in the area of ​​the tragedy. His other statements cast great doubt on one of the "most weighty evidence" of the Ukrainian side - recordings of conversations of the DPR military, allegedly "intercepted" by the "nezalezhnoy" special services and "testifying" to the involvement of not only themselves in the death of MH-17, but also some "Russian military".

Pulatov assures that all these "materials" are pure fake, since for really serious negotiations, during which confidential information was exchanged, both he and his colleagues used communication systems that completely exclude the possibility of both interception and decryption. In addition, the communication was carried out using code words and designations, and not "in clear text", as it happens on the obviously forged "record" presented to the court. Also, the client himself and his lawyers point to a huge number of other inconsistencies and inconsistencies in the case under consideration.

In this regard, the defense is taking new steps, putting forward the requirement to conduct repeated interrogations of many defendants in the case, and not only the accused and witnesses. An example is the desire of Dutch lawyers defending Pulatov to talk to the ex-adviser (and now deputy) of the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko, as well as the head of the local law enforcement agency Arsen Avakov himself. There are especially serious questions to the latter.

First of all, as to how it could have happened that literally the next day after the airliner had died, a rather strange link to a video was published on the social network, allegedly capturing the arrival of the “fatal” Buk air defense missile system on Ukrainian territory. It is completely incomprehensible why, in this case, the Ukrainian special services, which allegedly recorded the video, did not make an attempt to stop or at least trace such a dangerous cargo? And, most importantly, where did Avakov get information about what kind of missile “destroyed” the plane exactly one day after its crash, when there could be no question of any conclusions of specialists or expert data, even the most approximate ones?

Under the weight of such egregious contradictions and other questions that the defense of the accused party is currently putting before the court, the official version of the MH-17 death, which until recently seemed to many in the West as slender and well-reasoned, risks crumbling like a hastily built house of cards. But the lawyers intend to demand clarifications and clarifications from literally everyone who carried out investigative actions on this case and, in particular, issued expert opinions on it. For some reason, they are confident that their voluminous reports and memoranda are overflowing with conclusions and assumptions that have absolutely no factual confirmation, and, in fact, are a figment of fantasy.

After such an overwhelming pressure, the court decided to suspend its sessions until November 12 and later on that day, as well as the next, the defense will receive an answer from the prosecutor's office regarding its demands, which in reality mean a new investigation. It is unlikely that everything will be decided right today - according to Judge Hendrik Steinhuis, who presides over the process, he does not even hope for such a thing, which is why he plans an additional meeting of representatives of the defense and prosecution on approximately 25 November. The final decision, most likely, will be announced there.

After that, there will be another break in the court hearings - at least until February 2021. Will during this time, in search of the truth regarding the causes and perpetrators of the death of flight MH-17, a "sharp turn" will be made, will they turn from a politically engaged performance into a true investigation, honest and objective? Time will tell.
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  1. seti
    seti 13 November 2020 09: 35
    14
    It was 2120 .. The hearings continue ..)))
    1. Don karleone
      Don karleone 13 November 2020 09: 40
      +7
      Power is in the truth!!!! Everything will fall into place.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 13 November 2020 09: 42
        -15 qualifying.
        In addition, the communication was carried out using code words and designations, and not "in clear text", as it happens on the obviously forged "record" presented to the court.

        This is an old training manual. According to the new one, the recording is genuine, but they were playing a "radio game" on it to confuse the enemy.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 13 November 2020 13: 11
          +7
          The judges already guess that the Malaysian airliner, with the aim of provocation from Kiev, was shot down by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - at the instigation of Washington.
          Well, who of the judges in the Netherlands will trample against the United States ?! Nobody!

          If Washington gives the judges a directive to expose Kiev in the crime without affecting the United States, then they will do it!
          However, Avakov, together with Perukha and other responsible persons of Ukraine, in this case, the Americans will have to "self-destruct"! Will the Americans do this? That is the question!
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 13 November 2020 09: 45
        16
        Strength is on the side of the one who is stronger, though it could not, for example, stop the destruction of Yugoslavia and the war in Iraq and Syria. The truth is good when it is backed up by a colt. As they say, a kind word and a Colt in hand is better than just a kind word.
        1. Don karleone
          Don karleone 13 November 2020 12: 28
          0
          If you are patient, you can wait until the corpse of the enemy floats by
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 November 2020 09: 52
        +6
        Quote: Don Karleone
        Power is in the truth!!!! Everything will fall into place.

        we are not in a good fairy tale, but in the real world, therefore it is far from the fact that the guilty will be condemned
      4. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 13 November 2020 10: 56
        +5
        Quote: Don Karleone
        Power is in the truth!!!! ...

        This respected person in Sicily knows how to receive answers, and the Dutch will wag a well-known place for a long time: they have long understood that they have gotten themselves into a mess, but the directors do not allow them to jump off either.
        Quote: Don Karleone
        Everything will fall into place.

        It will be even more difficult to break through the information support of this disaster. The European public has already been fed the “correct” information, the “correct” picture has already settled in their heads, and they have basically forgotten about everything, but the sediment remained ...
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        1. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 13 November 2020 16: 37
          +5
          Quote: leonid1812
          Until recently, I believed that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainians themselves. But now, after Russia's monstrous hypocrisy of the genocide of the Belarusian people and their support of the fascist regime of Lukashenko, I am ready to believe that this Boeing MP-17 is the work of Putin, Lavrov, Peskov and others.

          And you are not embarrassed that Putin was flying at that time on a plane, and who they wanted to shoot down, another question! wink
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 November 2020 09: 59
            -1
            Putin flew on a plane over Donbass through Ukraine?
            Why not read .......
            Do you yourself believe it?
            1. ZEMCH
              ZEMCH 14 November 2020 16: 04
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              Putin flew on a plane over Donbass through Ukraine?
              Why not read .......
              Do you yourself believe it?

              Aircraft MH-17 and Board No. 1 dispersed over Poland with a gap of half an hour. The board of the President flying from Brazil constantly postponed the departure and changed the route, the shortest is through Donbass, but flew through Belarus.
              1. Avior
                Avior 14 November 2020 17: 27
                -1
                That is, the president's flight plan through Donbass was requested, and then it was changed?
                Don't you think this is complete nonsense?
                However, if you give a link that Putin's plane requested a flight through the Donbass ...
                hi
                1. ZEMCH
                  ZEMCH 14 November 2020 22: 28
                  +2
                  he was expected along the route, but he was mistaken)))
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 15 November 2020 09: 20
                    0
                    If he did not request the route, then who would be waiting for him ...
            2. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 15 November 2020 07: 54
              0
              So VVP right before the last presidential elections in Chechnya flew by helicopter, I do not know myself or not, but you can imagine that the militants almost shot down. Well, at least in the "days of silence" in the film they told about him on the federal TV channel, but in fact you know how many attempts on his life were prevented? Uzhos
        2. sleeve
          sleeve 14 November 2020 12: 16
          +2
          Tin, it's tough, of course. But, damn it, freedom of speech. We'll have to read this too ...
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    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 November 2020 09: 51
      +3
      Quote: seti
      It was 2120 .. The hearings are continuing

      The year is 2030 .. The hearings are ongoing.
    4. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 13 November 2020 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: seti
      It was 2120 .. The hearings continue ..)))

      Heh! What is there to listen to if the wrong people are judged?
    5. Civil
      Civil 13 November 2020 12: 39
      0
      This circus is not casual, something is being started in the depths of the EU. I understand the relatives, their loss, but there are obviously some third parties as the locomotive of this process. So there is a goal.
    6. Cananecat
      Cananecat 15 November 2020 10: 06
      0
      The Stars and Stripes in this regard could have cleaned up their tracks long ago, which was most likely done. You can't pull them by the ears, but dumping a number of people in Ukraine will allow it. As soon as these persons are developed, they will be handed over immediately.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 13 November 2020 09: 38
    +3
    This is not a trial, but some kind of performance. And it has been dragging on for more than one year, I believe there will still be quite a few provocations on this topic on the part of Western manipulators, lies and deception are a familiar tool for them.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 13 November 2020 10: 18
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      This is not a trial, but some kind of performance.

      So the shooting down of Boeing was a staging. Bloody and cynical in its inhumanity.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 13 November 2020 09: 39
    +5
    Time will tell.

    Shaw it will show ???
    Boom to see.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 November 2020 11: 54
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Time will tell.

      Shaw it will show ???
      Boom to see.


      If they feel that they are being taken out to clean water, they will start bargaining with us and try to release everything on the brakes ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 November 2020 12: 36
        +3
        It's hard to say ... in their eyes you can ... not dew, of course, but they can do their own thing!
        Whoever danced the girl is also ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 November 2020 12: 38
          +5
          Time will put everything in its place, in our age, you can hide something, but it is very difficult ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 November 2020 12: 41
            +5
            It is unlikely to hide, but to CHOOSE, for some, even significant, time, they are masters in this!
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 November 2020 13: 20
              +5
              Quote: rocket757
              It is unlikely to hide, but to CHOOSE, for some, even significant, time, they are masters in this!


              What they are successfully demonstrating, let's see what else the lawyers have prepared, everything interesting is yet to come ...
          2. Nike
            Nike 13 November 2020 16: 07
            +1
            Will not arrange! Is it arranged in Ossetia? (08.08.08) clouded and forgotten, it will be the same.
  4. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 09: 46
    +8
    Time will tell.
    ... The perpetrators have already been appointed, and the court is fiction.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 13 November 2020 10: 23
      +6
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      ... The perpetrators have already been appointed, and the court is fiction.

      The famous classic put into his mouth the phrase to one of his literary heroes: "Who are the judges?"

      To this "tribunal", it is applicable at 100, "with a tail" yes
  5. Proton
    Proton 13 November 2020 09: 46
    +7
    It is necessary for us in Russia to form our own special court and quietly judge there various "iksperdov" and witnesses in the MN-17 case. laughing
  6. Reviews
    Reviews 13 November 2020 09: 48
    +1
    "Our song is good ...". Well, okay, at least that now counter-arguments are not brushed aside ...
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 13 November 2020 09: 57
    +3
    As with Krylov: you are only to blame for the fact that I want to eat and dragged the lamb into the forest. Yes, we have rockets, planes, etc. But with the will of a deficit, was it worth taking a permit for the use of military force from the Federation Council, and then not using it? This means that Putin has a right to rule.
  8. svoit
    svoit 13 November 2020 10: 00
    +1
    ... for really serious negotiations, during which there was an exchange of confidential information, both he and his colleagues used communication systems that completely exclude the possibility of both interception and decryption
    I wonder what we can talk about in the summer of 2014? What means of the ZAS could be there and then?
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 13 November 2020 10: 06
      +2
      Quote: svoit
      ... for really serious negotiations, during which there was an exchange of confidential information, both he and his colleagues used communication systems that completely exclude the possibility of both interception and decryption
      I wonder what we can talk about in the summer of 2014? What means of the ZAS could be there and then?

      Well, probably about the same as ours. Maybe only minus one generation. The war had been going on for the second month, ours could already start throwing something to the LDNR.
  9. prior
    prior 13 November 2020 10: 18
    +7
    We have known for a long time about the impartiality of the Dutch court and the "dew of God".
  10. BAI
    BAI 13 November 2020 11: 26
    +4
    1.
    the official version of the death of MH-17 is in danger of falling apart, like a hastily built house of cards.

    This version will not go anywhere. The decision has been made and the corresponding "verdict" will be issued.
    2.
    Where did Avakov get information about which rocket “destroyed” the plane exactly one day after its crash, when there could be no question of any conclusions of specialists or expert data, even the most approximate ones?

    Yes, from the same place as Obama. He, probably, made even faster Avakov, the plane had not yet had time to fall. By the way, are they going to question him (Obama)?
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 November 2020 11: 52
      +3
      By the way, are they going to question him (Obama)?


      Lawyers must insist ...
  11. cniza
    cniza 13 November 2020 11: 52
    +4
    After that, there will be another break in the court hearings - at least until February 2021. Will during this time, in search of the truth regarding the causes and perpetrators of the death of flight MH-17, a "sharp turn" will be made, will they turn from a politically engaged performance into a true investigation, honest and objective? Time will tell.


    Difficult, but we need to put the squeeze on them and show the organizers of all this ...
  12. iouris
    iouris 13 November 2020 11: 56
    +1
    This is an auxiliary "process". The main process is a process of about $ 57 billion. After the decision is made in favor of Khodarkovsky and Co., it is necessary to strike a blow at the center of decision-making.
    By the way, MH-17 was most likely destroyed in order to recover this initial $ 50 billion.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 13 November 2020 20: 19
    +2
    The investigation cannot admit a priori error!
    I will not say how they will start to act (they will postpone the trial for a couple of three years, to clarify the facts, and then you look and will stretch for 10), but the verdict of guilt has already been passed. Sanctions have been imposed on the Russians, they cannot admit themselves guilty!
  14. Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 13 November 2020 21: 04
    +3
    Quote: leonid1812
    Until recently, I believed that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainians themselves. But now, after Russia's monstrous hypocrisy of the genocide of the Belarusian people and their support of the fascist regime of Lukashenko, I am ready to believe that this Boeing MP-17 is the work of Putin, Lavrov, Peskov and others.

    So the twist, how did you genocide? We weren't standing there.
  15. 123456789
    123456789 13 November 2020 21: 19
    -2
    Quote: ZEMCH
    And you are not embarrassed that Putin was flying at that time on a plane, and who they wanted to shoot down, another question!

    I am tormented by vague doubts: would the American operators of the Patriot start shooting at an unidentified target, knowing that Obama is flying over them somewhere?