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"In war as in war": Azerbaijani ambassador to Russia on the strike on the Mi-24

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"In war as in war": Azerbaijani ambassador to Russia on the strike on the Mi-24

There are still no final conclusions about the reasons for the incident with the Russian Mi-24 helicopter shot down over the territory of Armenia. This was stated by the Ambassador of Azerbaijan to the Russian Federation Polad Bulbul Oglu.


At a press conference organized by the Rossiya Segodnya news agency, the Azerbaijani ambassador commented on the incident with the downed Russian helicopter, stating that the investigation of such cases takes quite a long time.

In war as in war - anything can happen. The commission is still working, there are no conclusions yet. It was determined that it was evening time, the helicopter was flying at a low altitude, so it did not get on the radar. And there, when the military situation, young guys see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made

- explained Bulbul Ogly.

According to him, a commission has been created on this incident, the Defense Ministries of Azerbaijan and Russia are in touch, the prosecutor's offices of the two countries are working.

Also, the amount of compensation for the downed Russian helicopter has not yet been determined, Baku is ready to consider all possible options.

The Azerbaijani side is ready for all compensations that need to be reimbursed to families, the state, or the military department. Until it is determined

- he added.

Recall that on November 9, a Mi-24 helicopter was shot down, accompanying the convoy of the 102nd Russian military base through the territory of Armenia in the airspace near the Armenian settlement of Yeraskh, close to the border of the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic and Turkey. The helicopter was shot down by MANPADS in the airspace of Armenia outside the combat zone, two crew members were killed, another was injured. Baku admitted that the helicopter was shot down by the Azerbaijani side. But so far the names and titles of the perpetrators have not been named.
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  1. Turanov
    Turanov 12 November 2020 16: 46
    +4
    Will hush it all up again ...! Azerbaijan will pay off .. Next time it will be something more serious, like the ambassador or our general will be killed ..
    Everything follows the pattern. Oh, Russia does not teach us anything from history, kindness and justice should be with fists .. hi
    Look for someone who benefits, it's not that simple ..
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 November 2020 16: 57
      34
      Ambassador Karpov has already been killed, along with the general, in Syria. Offer Turkey to dust? So there are interests. Rosatom, Gazprom and others Salvage wins the good.
      1. Machito
        Machito 12 November 2020 17: 07
        -17 qualifying.
        The return of the Russian base to Gyumri will be worthy compensation for the downed Mi-24.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 12 November 2020 17: 14
          +3
          Blood is washed away only by Blood ... but You can just remember and let go, any wheel can be stopped. The base in Karabakh is beneficial to Russia, we must not forget whose blood we paid for it.
          Very Decent Person - Ambassador of Azerbaijan!
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 12 November 2020 18: 20
            +2
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Blood is washed away only by Blood ...!

            1. figwam
              figwam 12 November 2020 19: 46
              +1
              In war as in war - anything can happen.

              As he sang, he sang better before.
          2. venik
            venik 12 November 2020 20: 14
            +4
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Very Decent Person - Ambassador of Azerbaijan!

            =========
            They also found me a "worthy" one!
            Another bul-bul ogly!: "Young guys you understand!" ..... And if these "young guys" - "crocodile" had time to burn NURS and turn them to ashes? What would this "bul-bul" THEN start singing ??? "In war - as in war ... It happens ..." ??? Oh and I strongly doubt! A squeal would be !!!
            am
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 12 November 2020 20: 30
              +1
              Quote: venik
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Very Decent Person - Ambassador of Azerbaijan!

              =========
              They also found me a "worthy" one!
              Another bul-bul ogly!: "Young guys you understand!" ..... And if these "young guys" - "crocodile" had time to burn NURS and turn them to ashes? What would this "bul-bul" THEN start singing ??? "In war - as in war ... It happens ..." ??? Oh and I strongly doubt! A squeal would be !!!
              am

              He certainly did not aim MANPADS. His words “I am an Azerbaijani with a Russian Soul”.
              I was at his creative evening, from which I conclude - a good man!
              1. venik
                venik 12 November 2020 20: 46
                +7
                Quote: Hunter 2
                He certainly did not aim MANPADS. His words “I am an Azerbaijani with a Russian Soul”.
                I was at his creative evening, from which I conclude - a good man!

                ========
                Creation is one thing, but Soul - another! These concepts are far from being ALWAYS the same! Remember at least Kikabidze!
                In general, the words: "...In war as in war - anything can happen ... when the military situation, young guys, see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made..... surprisingly resemble the stunningly cynical statement of the Ukrainian President Kuchma, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down a Russian passenger Tu-154 during an exercise: "Well what can you do! People cannot be returned ... Why focus on this? ..."
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 13 November 2020 01: 43
                  -1
                  Eh dear, why remember kikabidze, he is no longer Mimino at all and went into circulation, absolutely bad. He said well about Kuchma - also a character unworthy of our attention.
                  But regarding Bulbul Ogly - he did everything right: we will discuss and decide everything. The guys cannot be returned, and it is unpleasant that their death was transferred to the plane of political bargaining, but the situation cannot be rewound either. Those who planned this flight would break their fingers, as they hoped for ...
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 12 November 2020 20: 34
              +1
              The Russian Foreign Ministry proceeds from the fact that Azerbaijan will no longer allow any ambiguous statements on its part in connection with the tragic incident with the Russian Mi-24, the Foreign Ministry said.

              Otherwise we will send an expert on French expressions back home.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 12 November 2020 20: 59
                0
                "This is a big mistake. If Russia professed the principle" in war as in war ", then the answer would be crushing. Moscow, however, took Baku's words about an admission of guilt and apologies," said Bulbul oglu on Smolenskaya Square.

                https://ria.ru/20201112/krushenie-1584369634.html
          3. lelik613
            lelik613 13 November 2020 18: 44
            +2
            Grandfather has a long tongue and is clearly superfluous. "Wisdom does not always come with age. Sometimes age comes alone." (folk wisdom)
        2. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 12 November 2020 18: 46
          +2
          Who wants to remember endlessly. They avenged the Su-24 with blood and sanctions, they forgot. For the general, they also put a lot of barmaley, there is a video, they forgot. Every sheep wants to watch the war from the couch. But there is no war without a reason, and one plane or a person cannot be the cause.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 12 November 2020 18: 54
            +7
            Quote: seregin-s1
            and one plane or person cannot be the cause.

            Well. this will not affect you personally, for example, your child, although there are forgiving people here too.
          2. passerby
            passerby 13 November 2020 04: 11
            +1
            Quote: seregin-s1
            But there is no war without a reason, and one plane or a person cannot be the cause.

            Here, in my opinion, several questions arise. Firstly, why do we need such a Russia for which the murder of the military whom this same Russia sent to fulfill its duty is only a pretext for some vague statements, but is not a pretext for a military response? Secondly, why, for the same Azerbaijan, a helicopter flight over the territory of another state is a reason for its destruction and they are not afraid of the start of a war, but for Russia the murder of the pilots of this helicopter is not a reason for a military response to Azerbaijan? It turns out that Azerbaijan is not afraid of war with Russia, while Russia is afraid of war with Azerbaijan? Why then do we spend so much money on the army if we are afraid to use it to protect the lives of Russian citizens? Third, do you seriously think that by responding to the destruction of our helicopter, for example, by striking the military infrastructure of Azerbaijan, Russia risked that Azerbaijan would declare war on us? Are you serious? And there is a risk that we will lose in this war? And fourthly, what then is the reason for the war, the murder of 5 of our pilots, 10, or maybe 100, or 1000? Or maybe you won't consider the murder of 1 million Russians a reason for war either? And why is this not reflected in any regulatory document? The Constitution reflects that Russia protects the right to life of each of our citizens. Why does Russia refuse to defend the right to life of our pilots? Why is it not the first time that the premeditated murder of our military and diplomats remains unanswered, because the lack of retribution for the lives of our military men jeopardizes the lives of those still living, because everyone can see that Russians can be killed and nothing will happen for this?
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 November 2020 21: 04
          +1
          Quote: Bearded
          The return of the Russian base to Gyumri will be worthy compensation for the downed Mi-24.

          You tell this to the relatives of the killed pilots ... yeah ..
          The principle of a huckster, it also nullifies all human qualities.
      2. Old tanker
        Old tanker 12 November 2020 17: 13
        -3
        General is not one by the way.
      3. Turanov
        Turanov 12 November 2020 17: 53
        -2
        Quote: 210ox
        Ambassador Karpov has already been killed, along with the general, in Syria. Offer Turkey to dust? So there are interests. Rosatom, Gazprom and others Salvage wins the good.

        Yes, I don’t propose anything like that .. Russia does not need this conflict, but at least the tough rhetoric in the Foreign Ministry should be broadcast, and not justified .. hi Enough already the tactics "how not to offend anyone", etc. Over the past decade, Russia has gained both military and economic strength. It would be time for the rhetoric of the political message to be harsher. hi
        1. private person
          private person 12 November 2020 18: 46
          +3
          Russia does not need this conflict, but at least the tough rhetoric in the Foreign Ministry needs to be broadcast, and not justified

          Have you been there at the Foreign Ministry? Did you hear the conversation? It was said that Azerbaijan fully admits its guilt, apologized and is ready to compensate material and moral damage.
          1. Turanov
            Turanov 12 November 2020 20: 08
            -6
            Quote: private person
            Have you been there at the Foreign Ministry? Did you hear the conversation? It was said that Azerbaijan fully admits its guilt, apologized and is ready to compensate material and moral damage.

            Turkey already had this, then our ambassador was soaked and shouts ..

            And this should be a war, when an ambassador is killed like that, after a downed attack aircraft, etc.
            You see, the templates are the same .. Who benefits? As if it did not happen again in Karabakh-Armenia-Azerbaijan. After all, Russia swallowed it all and accepted an apology ... And this is considered a weakness in the Caucasus and BV ..
            This is how things start again ..
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 12 November 2020 20: 39
              0
              With one I can agree - we do not know a lot from what was done in return.
              When our plane was shot down, very soon a bus with pilots took off from the Turks ...
              Turkey was left without pilots: the pilot who shot down the Su-24 may have died in a terrorist attack

              https://riafan.ru/504256-turciya-ostalas-bez-letchikov-v-terakte-vozmozhno-pogib-pilot-sbivshii-su-24
              1. Turanov
                Turanov 12 November 2020 21: 01
                -6
                Quote: Alex777
                With one I can agree - we do not know a lot from what was done in return.
                When our plane was shot down, very soon a bus with pilots took off from the Turks ...

                It was the Kurds who were involved, Russia had nothing to do with it .. wink
                And it's better to keep Turkey closer .. hi As the Chinese advise in their sayings ..)))
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 12 November 2020 21: 12
                  +3
                  It was the Kurds who were involved, Russia had nothing to do with it ..

                  Yeah. It has nothing to do with it. It just coincided well.
                  Neither before nor after the buses with the pilots were of interest to the Kurds, but then suddenly it happened. bully
              2. passerby
                passerby 13 November 2020 04: 39
                -3
                Quote: Alex777
                we don't know much

                Yes, yes - “we don’t know much,” “not everyone can tell us yet.” Somewhere I have already heard that.
            2. private person
              private person 13 November 2020 09: 21
              -1
              And this should be a war, when an ambassador is killed like that, after a downed attack aircraft, etc.

              The military registration and enlistment office is waiting for you.
        2. halpat
          halpat 12 November 2020 20: 28
          -4
          Quote: Turanov
          Quote: 210ox
          Ambassador Karpov has already been killed, along with the general, in Syria. Offer Turkey to dust? So there are interests. Rosatom, Gazprom and others Salvage wins the good.

          Yes, I don’t propose anything like that .. Russia does not need this conflict, but at least the tough rhetoric in the Foreign Ministry should be broadcast, and not justified .. hi Enough already the tactics "how not to offend anyone", etc. Over the past decade, Russia has gained both military and economic strength. It would be time for the rhetoric of the political message to be harsher. hi

          Lavrov doesn't know how.
          His face is always guilty, sad, like Eeyore's donkey. And he always goes around the bush, does not speak directly. This is the school. Impossible to fix.
          We need another person for harsh rhetoric. "Military Consigliere".
          But a professional of such a level as Lavrov + tough in rhetoric, as time requires, is probably simply not in the Foreign Ministry.
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            1. halpat
              halpat 12 November 2020 21: 24
              -1
              It would be easier for you to be. And life will get better wink
              Mr. Kozyrev is a traitor, in my opinion.
              As well as Gaidar, Chubais and Co., even trying to repaint and strenuously pulling on himself, lately, the patriotic skin of Mr. Stankevich.
              smile
      4. Tank hard
        Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 01
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Offer Turkey to dust?

        Collapse the Azerbaijani-Turkish business in the Russian Federation, a tough visa regime, deport unreliable citizens, stop flights for vacationers to these countries. For economics is the basis of war. The weaker the economy of the alleged enemy, the less chance of his real aggression.
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 12 November 2020 20: 08
          -3
          stop flights for vacationers to these countries
          They will fly through Minsk to two-star hotels with a buffet of leftovers from a four-star next door and a bar with burnt liquor. Is there really nowhere to rest normally ...
        2. Turanov
          Turanov 12 November 2020 20: 15
          -5
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: 210ox
          Offer Turkey to dust?

          Collapse the Azerbaijani-Turkish business in the Russian Federation, a tough visa regime, deport unreliable citizens, stop flights for vacationers to these countries. For economics is the basis of war. The weaker the economy of the alleged enemy, the less chance of his real aggression.

          I have been hinting at this for a long time! Walk hard across ALL of Russia to understand .. They began to behave too brazenly and the losses inside Russia are large from this crime .. Enough to be liberal, they take it for weakness and laugh in the face of us all .. (they are already waving flags in the open at large our cities)
          I am not calling for something, but it’s time for the authorities to have some pride. angry
          Such armors are needed ..
      5. oracul
        oracul 13 November 2020 07: 19
        +1
        And what is your interest, dear? Unleash a war in all directions and die surrounded. That's what the Anglo-Saxons are counting on, arranging provocations along the perimeter of our borders .. Where I saw loot or dream at night. Everything has its time. The time will come for the answer.
    2. Horon
      Horon 12 November 2020 16: 58
      27
      Are you writing from the queue at the military enlistment office? Or are you a provocateur and call for a war with Azerbaijan? Who sent a helicopter there, who did not put the same President C on it, who did not put all the conflicting parties on the redeployment of neutral units in the conflict zone? Is it you? Or someone like you!
      1. RUS96
        RUS96 12 November 2020 17: 08
        +5
        Quote: Horon
        Who sent the helicopter there ...

        1. not main
          not main 12 November 2020 22: 32
          +2
          Quote: RUS96
          Quote: Horon
          Who sent the helicopter there ...


          I posted on another thread. But I repeat: The first version of the commission is a CREW ERROR! And if there is no one to make excuses, then automatically this is the BASIC VERSION!
          1. Horon
            Horon 13 November 2020 09: 08
            0
            The crew works for a short period of time, even if he informed the Azerbaijani dispatchers, this does not mean that all air defense units received this information immediately. This should be done by people at a higher level and in advance. I think that at least a day. Hanging all the dogs on the crew in this situation is blasphemy! On the other hand, if all parties were really warned, but the incident happened anyway, then the blame completely falls on the Azerbaijani side. Whether all the activities for the mission were carried out or not, everyone is silent about this and stupidly blaming one side, hiding behind only the fact that the helicopter was shot down on the territory of Armenia, forgetting that one kilometer is too small a distance for the helicopter and it was actually on the border and theoretically for the calculation MANPADS and even shilki could be regarded as an attacker. Especially if it was really difficult to determine its belonging by the available means.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 12 November 2020 17: 42
        18
        who did not put all the conflicting sides on the redeployment of neutral units in the conflict zone?

        In general, the turntable seems to have been shot down over the territory of Armenia, no? Which is not a conflict zone, otherwise we would already have to iron Azerbaijan according to the CSTO agreement.
        1. SSR
          SSR 12 November 2020 21: 50
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          In general, the turntable seems to have been shot down over the territory of Armenia, no?

          Your question and a bunch of pluses show the degree of outlook.
        2. Horon
          Horon 13 November 2020 08: 47
          0
          The border between the two conflicting countries on which there are no active hostilities is not a war zone, but this does not mean that they cannot appear there at any time. The helicopter was shot down about a kilometer from the border, almost at the border. The movement of troops and military equipment not participating in the conflict must be COORDINATED WITH BOTH SIDES IN ADVANCE!
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 03
        +3
        Quote: Horon
        Who sent the helicopter there

        Who sent the peacekeepers there? Pushkin?
      4. Graz
        Graz 12 November 2020 22: 52
        +2
        Horon
        find those who shot at the helicopter and plant their bare butts on stakes in front of the Azerbaijani embassy in Moscow, this is how you should do it, and not breeze snot like you
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 12 November 2020 16: 58
      +1
      Turanov - in this case, the good should be in constant combat readiness, and armed with something very formidable, worse than simple fists (you will stick your fists on a tank, this is me for example)!
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 12 November 2020 17: 15
        -6
        Quote: Thrifty
        Turanov - in this case, the good should be in constant combat readiness, and armed with something very formidable, worse than simple fists (you will stick your fists on a tank, this is me for example)!

        Naturally, good should not be easy with Kalash I figuratively! Our turntable shot down is a well-organized special operation, just during the negotiations and they put a lot of pressure on Russia with this .. It was not for nothing that Lavrov began making excuses so loudly about the presence of the Turks ..!
        Because if they had not agreed, then Russia in fact should start a full-scale war with Azerbaijan-Turkey!
        It is not for nothing that Putin has become quiet and is especially trying not to comment on this ..
        I sense there is some kind of ambush in this agreement, and we will all burp again .. hi
        Peace to all, maybe it will carry.
    4. credo
      credo 12 November 2020 17: 00
      +4
      ... Azerbaijan will pay off ...
      ---------------------------------------
      What's wrong if Azerbaijan will pay for the victims and the product? Are you proposing to start a war?
      Another question is how our helicopter responded, in terms of equipment and security, to the situation with the flight near the border of the belligerent country at that time.
      1. Turanov
        Turanov 12 November 2020 17: 17
        -9
        Quote: credo
        What's wrong if Azerbaijan will pay for the victims and the product? Are you proposing to start a war?

        It's too late to offer something, the agreement was signed and Russia was given the opportunity to save face, and thanks for that ..
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: credo
        What's wrong if Azerbaijan will pay for the victims and the product?

        And how much money are you willing to take compensation if your child is killed? Curious... repeat
    5. Cottager452
      Cottager452 12 November 2020 17: 15
      -9
      The ambassador has already been soaked, the general remains according to your version.
    6. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 12 November 2020 17: 33
      0
      We must talk not about compensation, but about compensation + life support for the families of the deceased pilots
    7. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 12 November 2020 17: 40
      0
      Oh, Russia does not teach us anything from history, kindness and justice should be with fists.

      Our corrupt government is not Russia. It will rub itself off again and pretend that nothing special has happened, they say, just think, only three military men were killed, not for the first time, women are still giving birth.
      PS That's just the women don't want to give birth anymore.
      “In January-July 2020, the number of deaths was 1,4 times higher than the number of births (in the same period of 2019 - 1,2 times), in 41 constituent entities of the Russian Federation this excess was 1,5–2,4 times,” says in the document. In the first half of the year, the number of born Russians amounted to 811,7 thousand people, which is 5,7% less than in the same period last year. During the quarantine restrictions, the migration increase compensated for the natural population decline by 20,6% ....
      https://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic2188846.html
      It's all sad ...
      1. Horon
        Horon 13 November 2020 09: 25
        0
        Therefore, for the lost crew, it is necessary to unleash a full-fledged war and lay down a bunch of people because:
        Our corrupt government is not Russia. Just think of the military killed, not for the first time, women still give birth.
        fool
        Are you not an Armenian by the case that you are so stubbornly trying to drag Russia into your war?
        1. Shelest2000
          Shelest2000 14 November 2020 12: 17
          0
          No, not Armenian. I am Russian. Moreover, he is a reserve officer. And I think that every rudeness and meanness should be hit on the cheeks. Least. The "international community" only understands power. To respond to such provocations accordingly, so that later it was discouraging. And there was no need in the future to change the lives of Russian soldiers and officers for tomatoes and pats on the shoulder. As there - a kind word and a pistol can achieve much more than one kind word. (C)
          I would like to remind you one more rule of international relations formulated by W. Churchill:
          If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame. (c) Winston Churchill
          1. Horon
            Horon 14 November 2020 13: 04
            -2
            What did the Russian soldiers do on the border of the conflicting states? Who organized the safe movement of our soldiers? We ourselves did everything to ensure the safety of our people in those conditions? Before you demand something from others, you yourself must do everything possible for your safety! You don't have to behave like an elephant in a china shop, then you can make claims against others!
    8. deniso
      deniso 12 November 2020 19: 59
      -1
      Are Russia and Azerbaijan at war? If the ambassador thinks so, what is he doing in Moscow? And why doesn't Russia bomb Baku?
    9. Basil50
      Basil50 12 November 2020 20: 46
      -2
      And my question is, where did the Azerbaijanis come from there, on the territory of Armenia? Who let them go there?
      For what? Is this a joint Armenian-Azerbaijani operation? Or did the Armenians shoot down the helicopter, and the Azerbaijanis took it upon themselves at the request of the owners?
    10. SSR
      SSR 12 November 2020 21: 47
      +2
      Quote: Turanov
      Will hush it all up again ...! Azerbaijan will pay off

      Are you after Lavrov? That is, payment of compensation is an invented measure by us?
      Comrades, I understand the frenzy of "patriotism", but vira and compensation is a cultural dialogue not to continue the bloodshed.
      Comments are akin to maydanuty, as if they were rinsing sweat from the plinth.
    11. Deune
      Deune 13 November 2020 06: 23
      +2
      Again, some wars, I will say roughly, but here are gentlemen who are no better than the Armenians, who so actively pushed Russia towards conflict. Are you ready to pick up a submachine gun and retire as avengers? Sarik Andreasyan, who called Putin a traitor, did not go to war for Karabakh. Naive, if you do not see the consequences for Aliyev for the downed Mi-24, this does not mean that there are none. There is an official policy, there is a backstage one.
      1. Horon
        Horon 13 November 2020 09: 18
        0
        Their patriotism is fake, because of such "patriots" the Russian Empire got stuck in WWI. recourse
    12. Peter rybak
      Peter rybak 13 November 2020 19: 53
      0
      By the way, there was a man who made Putin our president
  2. iouris
    iouris 12 November 2020 16: 49
    +5
    The ambassador went crazy. I repeat: the crew died in the airspace of Armenia, outside the combat zone. The helicopter is Russian. Shot down in connection with the implementation of the agreement.
    1. Vik66
      Vik66 12 November 2020 16: 59
      17
      I absolutely agree with you! We then in Syria need to "bring down" Israeli F-16s in the airspace of Lebanon - what if they are going to Khmeimim? good
    2. Horon
      Horon 12 November 2020 17: 02
      +1
      In the zone of contact of the conflicting parties, this means that there were no hostilities there, but everyone is on guard.
    3. Azimuth
      Azimuth 12 November 2020 17: 23
      -9
      Quote: iouris
      The ambassador went crazy. I repeat: the crew died in the airspace of Armenia, outside the combat zone. The helicopter is Russian. Shot down in connection with the implementation of the agreement.

      Nakhichevan and Armenia out of the war zone? Don't tell my slippers:
      "An operational-tactical missile fired on October 15 at 10:44 (09:44 Moscow time - TASS comment) by the armed forces of Armenia exploded in the Ordubad region of the Nakhchivan [Nakhichevan] Autonomous Republic. Civilians and civilian objects were not injured."

      https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/9737479
      https://www.rbc.ru/society/16/10/2020/5f896cf59a7947a98b427002
      You write these here so often, and I'm not that old yet to suffer from multiple sclerosis, especially for you links.
      If your melee fighters would not be engaged in this nonsense, hammering ballistic missiles in all directions and not really hitting anywhere, except for a peaceful man, perhaps Nakhichevan would really be calmer in positions and would not wait for a strike from the airspace of Armenia. So at least part of the blame for the Mi-24 is on your side, and what else may be, the investigation will show.
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 12 November 2020 17: 55
      +4
      The ambassador went crazy. I repeat: the crew died in the airspace of Armenia, outside the combat zone. The helicopter is Russian. Shot down in connection with the implementation of the agreement.

      But what kind of ambassador would allow himself to say this?
      The singer was good.
    5. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      The ambassador went crazy. I repeat: the crew died in the airspace of Armenia, outside the combat zone. The helicopter is Russian. Shot down in connection with the implementation of the agreement

      But then the all-forgiving appeared ... request
    6. passerby
      passerby 13 November 2020 04: 47
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      The ambassador went crazy. I repeat: the crew died in the airspace of Armenia, outside the combat zone. The helicopter is Russian. Shot down in connection with the implementation of the agreement.

      Come on? The ambassador simply does not care, he understands that everything he says is eaten and there will be no consequences.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 November 2020 16: 56
    11
    As an actor and singer, Palad Bul Bul Ogly is good, but politics is not his strong point! "In war as in war" is that an attempt to simply self-support? After all, we could have bombed a couple of military units of Azerbaijan in retaliation, and answered with the same phrase why it happened! Be honest and objective, then they will treat you the same way! I hope that we will not be shod with "scapegoats" or that the real culprits will not be amnestied on the very first local holiday (if they are found and imprisoned at all)! in general, spit in our faces now very much, announcing those who committed this war crime against the Russian Armed Forces, rewarding the downed helicopter and giving them the title of "hero of Azerbaijan" !!!!!
    1. Martin
      Martin 12 November 2020 17: 14
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      is this an attempt to just self-support?

      What is left for them? It ALREADY happened, they admit that it was their fault. What else can they do besides apologies, compensation, and so on? Harakiri? They are shitty and completely in shit, they only have to make excuses.
      1. passerby
        passerby 13 November 2020 04: 51
        0
        Quote: Martyn
        They are shitty and completely in shit, they only have to make excuses.

        And I have a distinct feeling that it is not they who are in the shit, but Russia, which has lost its pilots and a helicopter and wiped itself out, and Azerbaijan says in response - "in war, as in war." "Ne perezhivay daragoy, yes - here tebe money go drink and forget, yes."
    2. iouris
      iouris 12 November 2020 17: 17
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      "In war as in war" is that an attempt to simply self-support?

      This phrase betrays him with his head and horns. How does he know about the war?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 November 2020 18: 31
        0
        [quote = iouris] [quote = Lean]
        [Quote] This phrase betrays him with his head and horns. How does he know about the war? [/ Quote] request Probably from the movie ...
    3. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 12 November 2020 17: 52
      +1
      "In war as in war" is that an attempt to simply self-support?
      No, this is Azerbaijan's declaration of war on Russia.
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 12 November 2020 18: 36
        0
        They did not declare war on the Armenians and ... after the MI, they immediately agreed to everything that the Russian Federation dictated.
    4. Tank hard
      Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      As an actor and singer, Palad Bulbul Ogly is good,

      A controversial statement, this is a matter of taste. repeat
  4. Kronos
    Kronos 12 November 2020 17: 04
    -7
    Quote: credo
    What's wrong if Azerbaijan will pay for the victims and the product? Are you proposing to start a war?
    Another question is how our helicopter responded, in terms of equipment and security, to the situation with the flight near the border of the belligerent country at that time.

    No, it was necessary to strike at the military of Azerbaijan.
    1. Asad
      Asad 12 November 2020 17: 10
      -1
      What forces, what goals, can you specifically?
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 12 November 2020 17: 25
        +1
        For example with calibers, like hitting Trump with tomahawks.
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 12 November 2020 17: 26
      0
      What? ... and why?
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 12 November 2020 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: Azimuth
        What? ... and why?

        Caliber, Iskander, X-series missiles.
        When military personnel of one country kill military personnel of another country and do not receive a response, a precedent of impunity is created. And if such an incident happens more than once, a deceptive opinion is created that the military personnel of a given country can be killed with impunity. Plus, the prestige of the country is at the bottom of the toilet, because what kind of army was it that could not avenge its dead? And in this case, it is absolutely not important under what circumstances it happened, the main thing is that it happened and there must be an immediate response, and here it does not matter at all whether the guilty person falls under the distribution or not, the answer must be given in any case. Or they will simply no longer be considered with you, they will no longer respect you, and the like will repeat more than once .......
        1. Azimuth
          Azimuth 12 November 2020 21: 33
          -3
          At the everyday level, they may be right, but even then one should not always act "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." For political reasons, this apparently was not considered an option. There is the country's leadership, the Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Defense, this is their job, not ours. They have operative and reliable information, they give orders, and we are in the dark, we can only speculate now. If we can give estimates, then only in the distant tomorrow, when somewhere will leak and there will be more information.
          The interests, sovereignty and integrity of the country are higher than the life of the soldiers and officers of its army, this has been and will be, because they serve, protect, and when they have to and die for the above. And the army exists precisely for this, not for parades. For now, we can only hope that the men did not die in vain, to judge what and how, we will give estimates "tomorrow", and now it is no use, the maximum that we can build hypotheses and assume versions.
  5. Old tanker
    Old tanker 12 November 2020 17: 11
    +4
    "In war, as in war" - this cynic has just forgotten that Russia did not fight even 200 km to the combat zone ..
  6. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 12 November 2020 17: 15
    +8
    Determined what was evening time, the helicopter flew at a low altitude, so it did not get on the radar. And there, when the military situation, young guys, see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made

    How, in conditions of insufficient visibility, they determined what was flying military helicopter?
    How did they get target designation if the helicopter did not get on the radar?
    Who gave the authority to the "young guys" to make a decision to fire a target over the territory of another state?
    It is always easy to blame the moron soldier.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 November 2020 17: 25
      +3
      "How did they get target designation if the helicopter did not hit the radar?" ///
      ---
      What other target designation? Heard the noise of the propellers, prepared MANPADS. When they saw - they shot.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 12 November 2020 17: 44
        +9
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Heard the noise of the propellers, prepared MANPADS.

        You have a professional understanding of the work of the calculation of MANPADS.
        At what distance is the noise of the helicopter propellers heard? And at what distance will the helicopter be while preparing MANPADS?
        How long does it take to prepare MANPADS?
        Do you need to do target identification? Heard something, fired and well done?
        Is every gopher an agronomist and is authorized to make a decision to fire at a target over someone else's territory?
        Well, the guidance of MANPADS at the noise of propellers is new in military affairs. Take a pie from the shelf.
        1. icant007
          icant007 12 November 2020 19: 27
          0
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          How long does it take to prepare MANPADS?


          And how many?
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 12 November 2020 20: 34
            +3
            Quote: icant007
            And how many?

            From the standard capping for about a minute.
            1. icant007
              icant007 13 November 2020 07: 17
              0
              Based on this, do you think that this was a deliberate provocation?
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 14 November 2020 10: 23
                0
                Based on a general assessment of the situation based on the available open information and our own knowledge about the combat work of air defense systems in general and MANPADS in particular.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 November 2020 19: 50
          0
          The noise of propellers, for example, of the Cobra, is heard from kilometers away - from afar.
          It is quite possible to have time to prepare MANPADS for battle.
          The Apache flies up silently.
          For example, if a stormtrooper is hunted, then it is caught.
          on the second approach to the target. The first approach is evaluative, reconnaissance.
          The second run is combat. Here and shoot after.
          The operator does not have any requests for command and time.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 13 November 2020 01: 17
            0

            -1
            The noise of propellers, for example, of the Cobra, is heard from kilometers away - from afar.
            It is quite possible to have time to prepare MANPADS for battle.
            The Apache flies up silently.
            For example, if a stormtrooper is hunted, then it is caught.
            on the second approach to the target. The first approach is evaluative, reconnaissance.
            The second run is combat. Here and shoot after.
            The operator does not have any requests for command and time.
            laughing laughing They are already terrorists, not the armed forces of any country. bully
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 12 November 2020 17: 54
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        What other target designation? Heard the noise of the propellers, prepared MANPADS. When they saw - they shot.

        When you see some kind of movement abroad, do they also start shooting?
        Your country is small, the road network is developed, but there probably are sometimes helicopter flights or search flights, for example. And suddenly someone from abroad decided to shoot at the helicopter, is this an accident?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 12 November 2020 19: 12
          +4
          Quote: Humpty
          When you see some kind of movement abroad, they also start shooting

          It is customary for them to give an eye for an eye. And when strangers are killed, you can probably discuss them, sometimes with humor. Not your own. request
      3. deniso
        deniso 12 November 2020 20: 06
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "How did they get target designation if the helicopter did not hit the radar?" ///
        ---
        What other target designation? Heard the noise of the propellers, prepared MANPADS. When they saw - they shot.


        judging by the frames of the attack up to the turntable 500-700 meters, the flyers did not even have time to say it
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 12 November 2020 21: 01
          0
          Quote: denis obuckov
          judging by the frames of the attack up to the turntable 500-700 meters, the flyers did not even have time to say it

          This means the shooter was approximately on the flight route. It turns out on the territory of Armenia. Did the Armenians shoot?
        2. Azimuth
          Azimuth 12 November 2020 21: 45
          -1
          There should be more.
          If 500-700m, and look on the map where the Azerbaijani village from which the video was filmed, then it turns out that the Mi-24 crossed the border, more precisely, it was above the positions of their troops. MANPADS are not in the first line, the trench / position of the anti-aircraft gunner is located in the depth.
      4. aszzz888
        aszzz888 13 November 2020 01: 15
        -1

        voyaka uh (Alexey)
        Yesterday, 17: 25
        NEW

        +4
        "How did they get target designation if the helicopter did not hit the radar?" ///
        ---
        What other target designation? Heard the noise of the propellers, prepared MANPADS. When they saw - they shot.
        Did they tell this on Jewish TV ?, because they will never say this on Channel 1 of the Russian Federation. Or he made it up himself - even stand, even fall !!! wassat
  7. Galina Medvedeva
    Galina Medvedeva 12 November 2020 17: 23
    -1
    I did NOT believe this explanation. 21st century in the yard.
  8. flicker
    flicker 12 November 2020 17: 24
    14
    In war as in war - anything can happen. The commission is still working, there are no conclusions yet. It was determined that it was evening time, the helicopter was flying at a low altitude, so it did not get on the radar. And there, when the military situation, young guys see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made

    Again
    it was evening time, the helicopter was flying at a low altitude, so did not get on the radar.
    and a little lower
    military situation, young guys seethat a military helicopter is flying

    ---
    Good argument to borrow:
    "There is nothing on the radars, young guys are sitting at the YARS ICBM control panel, and suddenly they see something ... they press start."
    Then it turns out ... Azerbaijan no longer exists.
    Of course, we are ready to pay compensation, but there is no one request
    1. Alena-Baku
      Alena-Baku 12 November 2020 18: 10
      -4
      That is why such fools, like some, are not put at the YARS remote control.
      1. flicker
        flicker 12 November 2020 18: 20
        +2
        That's why such fools
        YARS and no. This is yes.
        ---
        Even children understand that it was a Turkish provocation. They wanted to expose Azerbaijan to the Russian attack.
        And in the end, only their essence was revealed.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 12 November 2020 18: 38
        -2
        Quote: Alena-Baku
        That is why such fools, like some, are not put at the YARS remote control.

        That's why you didn't sell YARS! repeat
        1. Alena-Baku
          Alena-Baku 12 November 2020 20: 37
          -3
          Judging because you are not reading the comments to catch up with who wanted to shoot from Yarsy, for reasons known to us, they will not be allowed at the remote control either.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 12 November 2020 20: 52
            -1
            Quote: Alena-Baku
            Judging because you are not reading the comments to catch up with who wanted to shoot from Yarsy, for reasons known to us, they will not be allowed at the remote control either.

            Slyushay, you don’t understand may you sapsem!
            1. Alena-Baku
              Alena-Baku 12 November 2020 23: 53
              -1
              do not complex how you put someone else's photo on your profile picture and ask someone to explain it empty.
  9. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 12 November 2020 17: 29
    12
    In war as in war
    Let him explain from the beginning with whom Russia is in the war, and then send him out with the first minibus so that he travels for a long time, and close the entrance to the Russian Federation for this freak and all his relatives up to 5 knees. The Azerbaijanis are darkening.
    1. Polymer
      Polymer 12 November 2020 17: 48
      +1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      The Azerbaijanis are darkening.

      Maybe the Turks are covered? Something too quickly admitted that they, and now - "the investigation will be long." Does not stick.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 November 2020 18: 03
        -4
        What kind of investigation - everything is confirmed and the culprit himself admitted that he shot down a helicopter and it makes no sense for Azerbaijan to cover someone there, even from the wreckage of a MANPADS missile they will confirm that it is Azerbaijani.
        1. Polymer
          Polymer 12 November 2020 18: 06
          0
          At a press conference organized by the Rossiya Segodnya news agency, the Azerbaijani ambassador commented on the incident with the downed Russian helicopter, stating that the investigation of such cases takes quite a long time.

          What other arguments are needed?
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf 12 November 2020 18: 41
      -2
      Rather, they are washed away after diarrhea from what Russia could have done under an agreement with Armenia with them.
  10. flicker
    flicker 12 November 2020 17: 35
    +4
    Polad, Polad would rather keep on singing
    the military situation, young guys see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made

    And then it turns out that Aliyev and Erdogan were flying in that helicopter.
    In war as in war


    Polad can tell his son these tales.
  11. gx200gx
    gx200gx 12 November 2020 17: 38
    0
    As correctly written on the forum - it was a provocation! And Turkish legs stick out from there and not only them ...
  12. faterdom
    faterdom 12 November 2020 17: 43
    +7
    It's not about compensation.
    To be honest, the country that shot down our helicopter should really regret it bitterly and suffer very disproportionate losses.
    So that everything would be clear to herself and the rest for the future. 200 years
    Well, as an example: the very entry of Armenia, Azerbaijan and southern Dagestan into the Russian Empire in 1805 happened after the raid of a new young and hot Persian Shah on Tiflis, allied with Russia. This is in addition to financial contributions.
    Then there was the murder of the ambassador (Griboyedov) inspired by the British - and the great fear and horror of the Persian shahs, also with indemnities.
    Somehow it was then, and since then, Persia has not jumped to Russia in any capacity - in my thoughts there is no such thing. Because it is very expensive.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 12 November 2020 17: 52
      +3
      Then there was the national state of the Russian people - the Russian Empire, which was ruled by economic, nationally oriented people.
      These people could ask the enemy for losses and damage to honor.
      Those who rule Russia now are a rabble without clan and tribe. They, for good, do not care about everything, the main thing is to create an appearance.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 12 November 2020 18: 07
        +1
        So economic that money for the fleet that could save the Russian squadron in Tsushima was stolen.
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        2. Jünger
          Jünger 12 November 2020 18: 39
          0
          Everything will be perfect in the next world, this is where the problems are everywhere.
          And the only question is whether there are more or less of them.
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 November 2020 17: 52
    -1
    The Azerbaijani side is ready for all compensation


    Of course the pancake is ready. When the fifth point burns out, they are ready for anything. Oh, how they do not want to quarrel with Russia.
  14. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 12 November 2020 17: 55
    0
    Where did this get into analytics? We perfectly remember his level ...
  15. primaala
    primaala 12 November 2020 17: 55
    -1
    Bulbul oglu snapshot "formidable \ hated". Why would !? hmm
    Really got this tolerance to logs. It was enough to know journalism to understand how much the smaller brothers "love" the Russian people. By the word Russian I mean people of the Christian faith.
    It has long been clear ... why they don't like Armenians.
    Small country / republic. It would seem - there is nothing !!! The people are (practically) unemployed.
    EVERYONE knows that there is a Russian army in Armenia. And when today they are discussing the events in Karabakh (who won whom), I just want to ask: - Hello !!! former republics !!! WHO all years (after the collapse of the union), YOU supported the straps !? (rhetorical question).
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 November 2020 18: 09
    +9
    The ambassador is absolutely right. In war, as in war, the wingman had to defuse Nursa in the positions of the shooting ... and finish off with a cannon
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 14 November 2020 06: 35
      0
      And if there was more than one MANPADS calculation? And not only MANPADS. The second helicopter would also be overwhelmed and figure out who first opened fire.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 November 2020 08: 39
        0
        Then the planes should arrive and plow the positions
        1. smart fellow
          smart fellow 14 November 2020 08: 57
          0
          In fact, both sides did not use manned aircraft due to the strong air defense on both sides. In the event of an air attack, Azerbaijan would simply use its air defense, and there is nothing special to attack from the territory of Armenia. To attack from the territory of Russia means to start a war with Azerbaijan and Turkey. Nakhichevan, at the same time, where the incident took place borders on Turkey. The only option is to strike the BR from the territory of the 102nd base - the Azerbaijanis would eat and keep silent.
          In general, the theater of operations is unfavorable for the Russian troops. Armenia does not border on Russia. A brigade of less than 2 thousand peacekeepers has been transported for a long time. And Azerbaijan has 130 thousand army and 300-400 thousand they can mobilize. Plus Turkey, which is the most important military factor in this conflict and ensures Russia's neutrality.
  17. flicker
    flicker 12 November 2020 18: 11
    +1
    No, Polad gave a masterpiece at all
    it was evening time, the helicopter was flying at a low altitude, so it did not get on the radar. And there, when the military situation, young guys see that a military helicopter is flying - and such a decision was made

    Why does Azerbaijan need radars at all?
    His young guys are "big-eyed", they see better than any radar, and in the evening they could see that the helicopter was military!
    And such a decision was made. Like, guys: what is there buzzing, what to do? ... yeah ... knock it down.
    ---
    Or maybe the Turks were offended that they remained outside the framework of the agreement?
    Yes, they made a decision ... to punish Azerbaijan, to expose Azerbaijan to Russian strikes.
  18. georggy
    georggy 12 November 2020 18: 12
    -1
    Yes, this bitch is a nightingale.
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  20. Avior
    Avior 12 November 2020 18: 26
    +3
    From which the ambassador began to sing ...
    And before that he sang something else ...
  21. cniza
    cniza 12 November 2020 18: 29
    +5
    Baku admitted that the helicopter was shot down by the Azerbaijani side. But so far the names and titles of the perpetrators have not been named.


    I get the impression that they are covering the Turks ...
  22. opuonmed
    opuonmed 12 November 2020 18: 45
    -1
    and this is the ambassador?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 November 2020 19: 56
      +1
      Finally, he is a singer and actor. It was, by the way, quite popular in the USSR. Well, the fact that he behaved in this case, let's say, is indistinct, then he probably never dreamed in a nightmare that someday he would have to apologize for the downed Russian helicopter.
  23. zloybond
    zloybond 12 November 2020 19: 42
    -1
    compensate .... tomatoes, raisins. They will chatter, as it was not ... everything will be exactly like with a downed attack aircraft, with a killed ambassador.
  24. Revolver
    Revolver 12 November 2020 19: 51
    0
    My advice to you: take the issue of compensation to an American court. There, in addition to compensatory damages (actually compensation), punitive damages can and usually be awarded (I'm not sure how to translate exactly, such as "penalties"), many times, or even orders of magnitude exceeding compensatory damages, in favor of the plaintiffs. And also compensation for the endured pain and suffering and moral damage. Those. the wounded and the families of the victims can receive millions, and what is typical, not rubles, but dollars. And so much for the turntable that it is enough to buy a new one and there will still be.
    1. smart fellow
      smart fellow 14 November 2020 06: 17
      0
      The American court will be ordered to pay for the used MANPADS.
  25. yfast
    yfast 12 November 2020 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Alena-Baku
    That is why such fools, like some, are not put at the YARS remote control.

    Well, you have such fools at the MANPADS consoles at least eat a booty, why don't we put a couple on the YARS?
  26. deniso
    deniso 12 November 2020 20: 07
    -2
    He was stunned. They were lucky that they agreed on the same day. It would be nice to send a couple of Iskanders across the clusters of equipment. War is like war w. The felt boot fell on the console, no one is to blame.
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  28. Lexus
    Lexus 12 November 2020 22: 29
    0
    "Without a bazaar" - the Russians will answer and "politely ask" representatives of both belligerents
    to their historical homeland, yes, in fact, in the same way as they were in the 90s of ours, with significantly "modest" belongings, and at the same time their "patrons-covers". Is that right? It is regrettable to contemplate another once-good actor who has gone bad.
  29. Old26
    Old26 12 November 2020 22: 31
    +4
    Quote: Thrifty
    Is this an attempt to just self-support?

    No. The ambassador stated the fact. The helicopter was shot down at a low altitude about 1 km from the border with Nakhchivan in the evening.
    Now put yourself in the shoes of those guys with MANPADS. Instead, you are. Behind your back you have a part of your state at which "neighbors not participating in hostilities" shoot ballistic missiles. You are in position. A helicopter is coming towards you. Goes to the border (there the turn of the road is about 800 meters from the border). You are 100 or 300 meters from the other side of the border. In addition, the noise of the column is heard, armor is on. Your action ??? In 99 cases out of 100, you will almost immediately launch a rocket at the main target (helicopter) moving in your direction from the other side of the border. What is it? Malicious destruction of a helicopter from a third country or a tragic accident as a result of the coincidence of many factors?
    And the factors are as follows
    1. There was no message for all interested parties about the passage of the convoy and the passage of the helicopter.
    2. How can you characterize the actions of the air traffic department of Armenia, which did not report the passage of a convoy of a neutral country at a distance of about 0,5 km?
    3. Why the helicopter was alone and no means of protection were used (traps, means of countering MANPADS).

    Yes, the crew is directly to blame for the attack on the helicopter and deserves punishment. But not only these two are to blame ...

    Quote: Polymer
    Maybe the Turks are covered? Something too quickly admitted that they, and now - "the investigation will be long." Does not stick.

    The investigation will indeed be long. But what was immediately confessed does honor to the leadership of Azerbaijan. There were no excuses like "we have nothing to do with, someone else was shooting." It would be possible to cover the Turks if Turkey had the same MANPADS in service as in Azerbaijan. That is, either Azerbaijan should have "Stingers" or Turkey - "Arrows" and "Needles" ... Then it would be possible to "cover"

    Quote: Kronos
    No, it was necessary to strike at the military of Azerbaijan

    It's good that you are not the one who makes the decision. For any tragic accident would grow into wars. And the world is not black and white - it is multicolored. And every country can have such situations

    Quote: antiaircrafter
    How, in conditions of insufficient visibility, did they determine that it was a military helicopter that was flying?

    And which helicopter can be located at a distance of 0,5 - 1 km from the border?

    Quote: antiaircrafter
    How did they get target designation if the helicopter did not hit the radar?

    Do you need target designation for MANPADS with an infrared guidance head? So the target designation was there - a hot helicopter engine

    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Who gave the authority to the "young guys" to make a decision to fire a target over the territory of another state?

    And the calculation in such a situation, when a helicopter is on you and the sounds of numerous armor are heard, must coordinate its actions with the higher headquarters? In addition, I do not think that the calculation at night, by the appearance of the headlights of the helicopter, could determine which state it is over the territory of. You can reliably at night by the headlights of the helicopter determine at what distance it is. At a distance of 800 meters or 1 km ??? In the daytime, by the relief, it would be possible to determine that the helicopter is abroad, and at night ...

    Quote: antiaircrafter
    It is always easy to blame the moron soldier.

    But it was not the colonel who pressed the start button, but a specific soldier. Alas, but it will be the last one ... Although, logically, it is still necessary to add more high-ranking military men of Armenia, Azerbaijan ...
  30. razved
    razved 12 November 2020 22: 49
    0
    Former Soviet artist, former minister of culture of independent Azerbaijan ... But as an agent of MIT (Turkish intelligence), he remained so. And he became so closely related to this "position" that its essence periodically bulges out of him.
  31. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 12 November 2020 22: 56
    -2
    Since anything is possible, then the launch point must be burned out, considering that the terrorist attack was from ISIS, after all, anything can happen !!!!!!!!!!!
  32. faterdom
    faterdom 12 November 2020 23: 03
    -1
    Quote: Old26
    The ambassador stated the fact

    This is not an ambassador's job. Work - do your best to benefit your country.
    Did you bring it?
    Doubt something.
    For example, I began to think about it worse, and the apology, perhaps, I think is fake.
    In the place of Aliyev, it would be necessary to recall, and send another, less philosophizing.
  33. Guru
    Guru 13 November 2020 00: 28
    0
    I have one question - if only this American helicopter accompanied the convoy, and it was shot down! How would the State Department react? Silent or Zhahnul?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 13 November 2020 01: 19
      -1

      Guru (Oleg)
      Today, 00: 28
      NEW
      0
      I have one question - if only this American helicopter accompanied the convoy, and it was shot down! How would the State Department react? Silent or Zhahnul?
      At the very least, they would have razed that area to the ground. They would have imposed sanctions forever, or staged a small war. Merikatos what to fight, what carrotуvat. wink
  34. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 November 2020 02: 24
    0
    If "in war as in war", then it was necessary to strike at the shooters from whatever is possible. That is, to be drawn into this conflict as a participant. Do you want our soldiers to fight for foreign land and interests? At the same time, Armenia would continue to curse us.
    1. lelik613
      lelik613 13 November 2020 18: 58
      0
      The head of the son of the ever-memorable dad is quite worthy compensation for the pilots.
  35. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 13 November 2020 05: 21
    0
    "- we lived without hiding and without fear of death" - the prophetic words of your song by comrade Ogly. Moreover, whom to fear !? Russia forgives everyone and everything. We live according to the scenarios of the spy genre - "do not shine"! Our president has it in his blood.
  36. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 13 November 2020 18: 52
    0
    Quote: Turanov
    It's time to harder the rhetoric of the political message

    The people say (and rightly so): To engage in rhetoric is not to roll bags. Well, as our Lavrov would add mustard to the rhetoric, then Azerbaijan (and especially Turkey) would be put into trousers ... Or our Foreign Ministry official could knock on the table with his shoe. Know ours!
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 November 2020 14: 45
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    Shooting down a Russian helicopter was a direct benefit to Turkey, after they realized that they were not in the agreement, and the main role belongs to Russia. Much will depend on how the investigation is carried out and on its results.