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Ukraine has acquired a batch of decommissioned Czech 152-mm self-propelled guns "Dana"

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Ukraine has acquired a batch of decommissioned Czech 152-mm self-propelled guns "Dana"

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchases from the Czech Republic the decommissioned 152-mm self-propelled guns "Dana", the corresponding contract between "Ukrspetsexport" and the Czech company Excalibur Army has already been signed.


According to available information, the Ukrainian military department is acquiring 26 units of 152-mm self-propelled guns ShKH Vz.77 "Dana", "modernized", for 40 million dollars.

The Prosecutor General's Office, the Security Service of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense have already received an appeal from deputy Alexei Goncharenko:

(...) The Ministry of Defense intends to purchase used, repaired and "modernized" 152-mm self-propelled howitzers vz. 77 "Dana". Excalibur Army from the Czech Republic, with which Ukrspetsexport has already signed a contract for US $ 40,3 million, may become a supplier of such products. (...) such a technique may be morally and physically obsolete. In addition, the Excalibur Army has a controversial reputation for corruption. I demand to carry out the necessary checks and urgently take action


The estimated book value of the ACS Dana ShKH vz. 77 is $ 62. The price of one modernized wheeled ACS vz. 000 Dana in the M77 version, according to the contract between Excalibur Army and Ukrspetsexport, is 2 million dollars.

In the Czech Republic itself, the Dana self-propelled guns were removed from service in 2018 and replaced by CAESAR 155-mm self-propelled howitzers. The Czechs refused to modernize the Dana self-propelled guns due to the impossibility of integrating this installation into a single system of digital data transmission, target designation, guidance and fire control according to NATO standards. Such modernization was considered too expensive, time consuming and problematic.

For our part, we note that the purchase of 152-mm outdated self-propelled guns "Dana" raises many questions with the declared transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 155-mm NATO caliber. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has previously repeatedly stated a catastrophic shortage of 152-mm projectiles and the lack of its own production of ammunition of this caliber.

The 152-mm howitzer-gun "Dana" belongs to self-propelled artillery mounts on a wheeled track. Created in 1976 at the ZTS-Dubnica enterprise in Czechoslovakia (now the territory of Slovakia). Introduced into service in 1977. The abbreviation "DANA" means: "auto-charge vehicle gun". In automatic mode, the gun can fire up to 7 rounds per minute. With manual loading - up to 2 rounds per minute. The maximum firing range is 18,7 km.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 12 November 2020 14: 10
    10
    Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go? Hundreds of them remained after the collapse of the USSR. Did they sell everything or let them go for scrap.
    1. credo
      credo 12 November 2020 14: 20
      12
      Quote: Borik
      Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go? Hundreds of them remained after the collapse of the USSR. Did they sell everything or let them go for scrap.

      A lot was sold, something remained.
      They are preparing for war, so they buy cheap everything that can be used in the Donbass.
      Donetsk and Luhansk, and Russia too, need to bear this in mind and be ready to repel the aggression.
      1. Machito
        Machito 12 November 2020 14: 40
        +6
        The laurels of Azerbaijan haunt the Ukrovermacht. But who will allow them to seize the LPR?
      2. bk316
        bk316 12 November 2020 14: 54
        +8
        I think the resource has ended both at the trunks and at the chassis.
        And DANA is practically d 20 on wheels - the shells still have to remain.
        In general, the device is interesting, it was hardly adopted in the USSR.
        But firstly, ours preferred tracked self-propelled guns, and secondly, DANA, with 2C3 and 2C5, simply did not fit into the system.
        1. 113262a
          113262a 12 November 2020 18: 46
          15
          No, she has her own gun, the Czech Zbroevka. , the trunk is longer than the twentieth, rather, closer to the Hyacinth with Msta! A very decent autoloader, the OMS works excellently, a ballistic computer, a topographic positioning system .. Several have been working in the VU since the age of 14 - they quickly come to positions, work out and quickly leave. Attempts to ushatat them in the south of the DPR have led nowhere - they work at long ranges and are very nimble. So the news is pretty sad.
          1. pereselenec
            pereselenec 12 November 2020 19: 05
            0
            Quote: 113262
            Several have been working in the VU since the age of 14 - they quickly come to positions, work out and quickly leave.

            Is there a photo or video of them?
          2. bk316
            bk316 12 November 2020 23: 43
            -1
            Very decent autoloader

            Directly a machine gun? Is there an automatic machine in the geocynth?
      3. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 12 November 2020 15: 04
        +7
        Quote: credo
        therefore, they buy cheap everything that can be applied

        How cheap is it ???? It's written:
        "... an appeal has already been received from deputy Alexei Goncharenko:
        The estimated carrying amount is $ 62. The price of one ... according to the contract ... is 000 million dollars. "
        Gesheftik someone dimwitted Goncharenko seems to have ruined. Now you have to wear a helmet, fearing bricks! yes
        1. credo
          credo 12 November 2020 15: 21
          +1
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          Quote: credo
          therefore, they buy cheap everything that can be applied

          How cheap is it ???? It's written:
          "... an appeal has already been received from deputy Alexei Goncharenko:
          The estimated carrying amount is $ 62. The price of one ... according to the contract ... is 000 million dollars. "
          Gesheftik someone dimwitted Goncharenko seems to have ruined. Now you have to wear a helmet, fearing bricks! yes

          I do not know what Goncharenko is an expert in the field of arms procurement and where he got the book value from, apparently the seller, but this does not mean anything if the seller sold not at book value, but based on his interests and other costs that he considered reasonable.
          In addition, in the text of the article it is written in black and white that the Czechs spent 40 million on the modernization of products, hence the sale price.
        2. g1v2
          g1v2 12 November 2020 15: 37
          12
          Well, for how much they sold - for so much they bought. The APU has serious wear and tear on the materiel. There is no place to buy something new in Soviet calibers. So they are chasing what you can get. Acacia, hyacinths and msta cannot be bought in Europe - they are not there. Switching to NATO 155 caliber is expensive, and such things are not done during the war. Plus, this immediately makes unnecessary all the supplies of bp, self-propelled guns and towed artillery that remained from Soviet times. But it is only thanks to these huge reserves left over from the superpower that the Ukrainian armed forces can fight. In the event of a complete transition to 155 mm, their artillery will be reduced by an order of magnitude. True, the resource is still being developed, wear and tear occurs, the systems are not eternal and they still have to go over after some time.
          So they buy up everything that remains in Europe from Soviet times on the go. Dan is a logical choice.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 14 November 2020 16: 00
            0
            And what is the problem for the Armed Forces to use towed artillery?

            They are terrorists, they fire at civilians. There is no need for precision or mobility. Yes, and you can equip towed artillery with conscripts or mobilized, they will not miss a target like a city.

            Something is not clean here.
        3. orionvitt
          orionvitt 12 November 2020 16: 17
          +7
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          an appeal was received from the deputy Alexei Goncharenko:

          It's just that the deal and kickbacks passed by this pepper, hence such adherence to principles.
        4. halpat
          halpat 12 November 2020 18: 20
          -2
          Here's some fat!
          2500%
          And apparently they didn't share with the owner of this People's Deputy - get a request ...
      4. private person
        private person 12 November 2020 16: 22
        0
        They are preparing for war, so they buy cheap everything that can be used in the Donbass.

        Have you read the article carefully? It costs $ 62000 and the upgrade is $ 1,55. Even the Czechs refused because of the high cost.
        1. credo
          credo 12 November 2020 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: private person
          They are preparing for war, so they buy cheap everything that can be used in the Donbass.

          Have you read the article carefully? It costs $ 62000 and the upgrade is $ 1,55. Even the Czechs refused because of the high cost.

          Book value is the residual value of the product for the period of operation - ask your friends accountants - and 62 is the book value. As for the selling price, yes, it is estimated at 000 million, taking into account the modernization. How much, according to your data, is such a new product worth?
          1. private person
            private person 12 November 2020 17: 03
            -2
            Book value is the residual value of the product for the period of operation

            We are aware of the debit-scraping process. But such a difference used for 62000 and for the modernization of 1,55 Lem will make anyone think.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 14 November 2020 12: 13
              0
              Quote: private person
              We are aware of the debit-scraping process. But such a difference used for 62000 and for the modernization of 1,55 Lem will make anyone think.

              Nobody sells second-hand for 62k.
              According to the book value, the products are recorded on the balance sheet.
              Less depreciation for the period of operation.
              This is not a selling price. But only for accounting.
              According to the accounting rules, much of the company's balance sheet is written off after the expiration of the prescribed period. Furniture and computer hardware have their own deadlines. After which they are simply written off, no longer on the balance sheet.
              But nevertheless, they serve regularly and are even sold for real money if necessary.
          2. halpat
            halpat 12 November 2020 18: 23
            -4
            I don’t know the new one, but I believe that what I bought really costs no more than scrap metal.
            but it will become clear when they go to the shooting.
            the task is to delay the moment of truth as far as possible.
            and if it happens in Donbass, it is better that they were immediately covered with fire or taken prisoner, then in general the ends are in the water :))
        2. Pavel57
          Pavel57 13 November 2020 17: 01
          -1
          Do Georgians still have Dana?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 November 2020 14: 41
      +9
      Quote: Borik
      Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go?

      How where? I know abroad to third countries, since I myself drove from Oktyabrsky.
      But this deal most likely smacks of a "kickback", it is always profitable to buy used, it is easier to stir up the price, and put in your pocket a decent pension in old age.
    3. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 12 November 2020 14: 51
      +2
      Quote: Borik
      Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go? Hundreds of them remained after the collapse of the USSR. Did they sell everything or let them go for scrap.


      I don’t have exact data right now, but in the year 17-18 there was information that Ukraine put into operation from storage dozens of self-propelled guns and towed systems of 122-152mm caliber ...
      And remembering that the losses of the self-propelled guns and towed guns were minimal over the past time, the purchase of a formidable, albeit used, system will allow them to increase their firepower.

      Recalling the shameful loss for themselves in the cannon and rocket artillery against the militia in 2014-15, they seriously took up the increase in the number of barrels ...

      Therefore ... Hold on, Donbass!
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 12 November 2020 14: 55
      +2
      The resource of the barrel is limited, there is nowhere to take new ones. Many were sold before the war.
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 12 November 2020 17: 23
        +3
        Just for Soviet systems and ACS "DANA" spare barrels and spare parts kits can be sharply added, since recently their Ukrainian killed 2С1 and 2С3 were restored with barrels from SKMZ, especially since these barrels are exported to Eastern Europe and have one of the quality certificates for deliveries to Eastern European companies for the repair of equipment in the USSR, so everything is not so simple here. And for "DANA" the Czechs and Slovaks themselves are ready to give up the barrels, since there are huge reserves of the times of Czechoslovakia, when there were 400+ such SPGs in service.
    5. Revolver
      Revolver 12 November 2020 20: 09
      +1
      Quote: Borik
      Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go? Hundreds of them remained after the collapse of the USSR. Did they sell everything or let them go for scrap.

      Z'ili. But if they didn't, then they had a taste. lol
    6. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 12 November 2020 21: 20
      +3
      Quote: Borik
      Where did all the former Soviet self-propelled guns go?
      In Ukraine ACS 2S1 "Carnation" is being converted into BMP "Kevlar-E"
      BMP kevlar-e
      There was already an article on VO ...
      ACS are converted into BMPs, and other ACSs are bought in their place (for example, Dana's ACS) - everything is logical - UKRAINIAN LOGIC ... wassat
  2. Hypertension
    Hypertension 12 November 2020 14: 11
    -1
    Take it, pity that we are not fit ...
  3. Potomac
    Potomac 12 November 2020 14: 13
    -5
    A normal batch, in the new brigades will replace the D-20 division. It is clear that you need something better. But at least they don't forget about the army. And wheeled self-propelled guns are a novelty for the APU. So to speak, trial operation.
    1. Odessa Greek
      Odessa Greek 19 November 2020 22: 12
      0
      Taking into account the cost of these ACS, I think that the goal here is not the interests of the Armed Forces, but a fat kickback)))
      1. Potomac
        Potomac 19 November 2020 23: 28
        0
        Well, here the price includes the ACS itself, its modernization, transportation, and if I'm not mistaken, 5000 shells, of which 1000 are active-jet
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 14: 14
    +8
    Trunks, trunks ... the resource of ukrovoyaki's trunks worked. There are still shells in the warehouses, but there is nothing to shoot from. So they buy everything they can.
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 12 November 2020 14: 18
    +1
    Long ago, uncles with sacks walked around the cities and shouted all over the street: "We take the old stuff! We take the old stuff!" Very similar. laughing
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 12 November 2020 14: 32
      +5
      Sea cat is an old junk now antiques, and it is expensive, and this junk will cost the inhabitants of Donbass many human lives! It is still unknown how with the ammunition for them, otherwise the Czechs will now also sell the shells to the soldiers how much they can pay!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2020 14: 33
    10
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine buys from the Czech Republic decommissioned 152-mm self-propelled guns "Dana"
    At first, they sold their weapons legally and according to black schemes, then they boasted about their military-industrial complex, which churns out new weapons (renamed Soviet ones) like baked pies, now they buy used ones and beg whoever gave them. But at the same time, individual and most correct Ukrainians with the necessary connections and in power are getting rich on military purchases and the war in Donbass. But the main thing was achieved - they renounced the historical past by inventing their own, cursed the Soviet period and declared the Russians enemies.
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 12 November 2020 14: 42
    +1
    "the most efficient army in Europe," is begging around the world. It would be better to buy mobile pigsties. In pig breeding, Ukraine is strong. The best lard is Ukrainian.
    1. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 12 November 2020 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      In pig breeding, Ukraine is strong. The best lard is Ukrainian.

      Find now "the best Ukrainian lard"...

      Look, and you will understand that 90 percent, if not more, is a product of Poland and even Germany. fellow

      Yes Yes yes The samostiynyks were so busy that now they bring lard from the Fatherland to them laughing , but once it was different, the Deutsche soldaten und official sent lard home from Ukraine ...
  8. Rubi0
    Rubi0 12 November 2020 14: 45
    0
    Russians of the southeast in Ukraine taxed will pay for everything and corporation schemes of Galicians
  9. New Year day
    New Year day 12 November 2020 15: 00
    0
    So "Danu" and Baku recently used. Soviet - reliable
    1. maktub
      maktub 12 November 2020 15: 06
      -1
      Czech.
      The news is not clear
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 13 November 2020 00: 36
      +3
      Czechoslovakian. Purchased in small quantities by the USSR for testing. Highly rated, but the military favored tracked installations. In the post-Soviet space, they were indeed acquired and used by Georgia and Azerbaijan. Reliable enough.
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 12 November 2020 15: 08
    -4
    The whole world is covering them with junk, and they are happy)
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 12 November 2020 15: 17
    +2
    Soon, Ukrainian logistics will resemble Indian logistics, only India has at least funds. Although it may not be, will they just put it to the fence? The trunks have exhausted their resource, the engines require capital, and the money has already been laundered.
  12. Constanty
    Constanty 12 November 2020 15: 28
    +3
    For our part, we note that the purchase of 152-mm outdated self-propelled guns "Dana" raises many questions with the declared transition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 155-mm NATO caliber. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has previously repeatedly stated a catastrophic shortage of 152-mm shells and the lack of own production of ammunition of this caliber.


    Perhaps, under this contract, Ukraine will purchase quite large stocks of ammunition for the Dana ACS.
    Recently (also here) wrote about plans or even tenders of the Pentagon for the purchase of ammunition of the "Warsaw Pact" standard. It is not excluded that Kiev will be partially the beneficiary.

    The same self-propelled guns vz.77 "Dana" is a rather successful weapon - a combination of a Soviet cannon and a wheeled mobile chassis. However, at present it is a rather old and not completely modern weapon system, but the scope of updating and modernizing these weapons for Ukraine remains in question.

    Logically, the next step should be negotiations with Poland on the admission of the next Dana self-propelled guns (in Poland there are about 110 in service.) Along with ammunition stocks - this will unify the equipment.
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 November 2020 15: 30
    0
    Good, you see, modernization, that the price has increased 20 times.
    Our "Misha 2 percent" will hang themselves with envy. (although, I heard from an acquaintance that an acquaintance of his in Gazprom was talking about a rollback of 80%, but the non-brothers even outdid them here).
  14. iouris
    iouris 12 November 2020 16: 52
    +1
    Kuev prepares for war. There will definitely be war. The sooner you start, the sooner you finish.
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 12 November 2020 18: 11
    +1
    Yes, someone from the MO has lost a good gesheftik))) the residual price is 62 thousand dollars, the purchase price is 1,55 million. Where did the difference go?)))) The question is rhetorical. But to steal like that, in a country that is like fighting is a zap))))
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 November 2020 20: 02
      -1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      in a country that is like fighting is a zap))))

      And the country is not at war, in the country there is an Anti-Terrorist Operation ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 12 November 2020 22: 30
        +1
        Kuevsky heroes say they are at war
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 November 2020 22: 33
          -2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Kuevsky heroes say they are at war

          So they and the Armata are burning in hundreds ..
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 13 November 2020 13: 10
            +1
            Nonsense, "armature" was not yet))) there were only T - 90, from the division of the Buryat jet cavalrymen.
            1. Alf
              Alf 13 November 2020 22: 03
              -1
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Nonsense, "armature" was not yet))) there were only T - 90, from the division of the Buryat jet cavalrymen.

              There were, there were, "yes this garbage Armata, her armor is cardboard, we burned out how many, but the batteries of the phones sat down, we could not photograph."
  16. Growlers
    Growlers 12 November 2020 18: 26
    -2
    Asphalt howitzers .....
  17. sedoj
    sedoj 12 November 2020 19: 43
    -1
    The estimated book value of the ACS Dana ShKH vz. 77 is $ 62. The price of one modernized wheeled ACS vz. 000 Dana in the M77 version, according to the contract between Excalibur Army and Ukrspetsexport, is 2 million dollars.

    What is it that they put in there, worth 900? But if 000 lemons are divided by 1,55, then you get 62000 not modernized. In the derbanat.
  18. Alf
    Alf 12 November 2020 19: 58
    +1
    DANA is one of the very few foreign weapons systems adopted at one time by the Soviet Army. But for some reason, only 12 were purchased. Apparently, our military did not quite understand, what for a goat accordion.
    1. Alf
      Alf 12 November 2020 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: Alf
      DANA is one of the very few foreign weapons systems adopted at one time by the Soviet Army.


      1. Alf
        Alf 13 November 2020 22: 04
        +1
        I go nuts with minusers. Only a photo Dan posted, as one alternatively gifted minus put. fool
  19. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 12 November 2020 20: 57
    +2
    "The estimated book value of the Dana ShKH vz. 77 ACS is $ 62. The price of one upgraded wheeled ACS vz. 000 Dana in the M77 version, according to the contract between Excalibur Army and Ukrspetsexport, is $ 2 million."
    It is beautiful! It seems that at least 70% of the rollback goes to the owners. Biden to the polls laughing
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 November 2020 02: 00
    0
    The installation may be old, but it will be enough to shoot in Donetsk and Lugansk.
    I hope that the shells for this cannon are very expensive.
  21. alpamys
    alpamys 13 November 2020 03: 32
    +1
    In 93, these Danes were cut into metal in Astana, absolutely new, I still unscrewed a turret with an armored rack from one of them.
    1. Alf
      Alf 13 November 2020 22: 06
      +1
      Quote: alpamys
      I also unscrewed a turret with an armored rack from one of them.

      To the cellar in the yard? laughing
  22. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 13 November 2020 14: 46
    0
    "The estimated book value of the ACS Dana ShKH vz. 77 is 62 dollars"
    I very much doubt the price. Msta -S is the same age, but 62000 green .......?
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 13 November 2020 14: 46
      0
      maybe I didn't understand the term "balance sheet"?
      1. Rudkovsky
        Rudkovsky 14 November 2020 12: 13
        0
        And what is there to understand, the book value is usually the price at the time of purchase. This ACS is already 50 years old, you know, inflation is all the case. And there were certainly investments in them.
  23. gurzuf
    gurzuf 14 November 2020 12: 01
    -1
    And what - a rich country can afford to buy scrap metal laughing
    1. Rudkovsky
      Rudkovsky 14 November 2020 12: 08
      0
      What will happen to the guns? There is nothing to rot there over the years, shooting at the militants will do quite well.
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 14 November 2020 12: 48
        0
        The main thing is to cut the fly wink
      2. Odessa Greek
        Odessa Greek 19 November 2020 22: 16
        0
        Do you think the Ukrainian Armed Forces will use these guns exclusively in showdowns by militants of the right sector?))) Well, then - SUGS !!!! Smirt curds !!!
  24. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 14 November 2020 16: 27
    0
    Czechoslovak weapons have always been famous for their quality, the German ones were not inferior, these artillery systems are probably in good technical condition, there will probably be spare barrels, if not, then it seems that the media wrote about attempts by Ukrainians to make artillery barrels at the Sumy Mechanical Plant, in my opinion, he previously produced pipes, for ammunition, either they will buy from the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact countries, or they will make it themselves, again in the media there was information about the launch of lines for the production of a wide range of ammunition at a plant near Vinnitsa