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US press: Russia celebrates victory in Karabakh, EU - defeat

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The EU countries have lost the last remnants of their influence on the states of the South Caucasus. And Russia and Turkey became the winners in the unexpectedly aggravated military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan.


This opinion was expressed by the head of the "Greater Europe" program at the European Council on Foreign Relations, Nicu Popescu, in his article published by the American edition of Politico.

The author believes that such a success of Moscow significantly undermines the reputation of the European Union. In his opinion, Russia celebrates victory in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the EU - defeat.

After several unsuccessful attempts to resolve the Karabakh conflict, undertaken by its participants with the participation of international mediators, the Kremlin managed to bring the warring parties to the negotiating table and ensure peace guarantees. Turkey managed to achieve victory for its ally - Azerbaijan, to demonstrate the effectiveness of its drones and military advisers, without spoiling relations with Moscow.

While the EU was inactive, demonstrating its uselessness, Moscow and Ankara demonstrated their political will and demonstrated military strength. It is Turkey and Russia that now dominate the regions neighboring the European Union.

According to Popescu, as long as the EU continues to ignore the methods of force pressure, using only economic and political leverage, it will continue to lose influence. Of course, getting involved in every armed conflict and sending your troops to "hot spots" is also not the best option. But the expert believes that the European Union should be more actively involved in military partnership with states located on its southern and eastern flanks, paying special attention to cooperation with them in the field of intelligence and cybersecurity.

Although, most likely, it is too late for European countries to think about it. They are too dependent on the United States.
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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 12 November 2020 14: 17
    10
    "Russia and Turkey became the winners in the unexpectedly aggravated military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan"
    In fact, it is Azerbaijan and Armenia that really benefit from the end of the conflict.
    1. Leeds
      Leeds 12 November 2020 14: 24
      +7
      I would not count the latter among the celebrants.
      We have adopted the most acceptable option for ourselves. To fit in with weapons and specialists for Karabakh in order to turn Azerbaijan into Ukraine by the warmth of relations, break up relations with Turkey and formalize a protracted bloody conflict? Sorry, but that was not an option. Loss of credibility by the defeat of the "ally" in the eyes of the countries .... Central Asia and the BV and LA? Are you seriously?
      And any of our military interventions would be displayed in the usual color for the West. Our soldiers are bombing hospitals, devouring babies, Russian aggression.
      Not happy with Armenia? Let them prepare, otherwise they say that two Grads remained in the army.
      1. Machito
        Machito 12 November 2020 14: 31
        +4
        It is symbolic that the defeat in the Transcaucasian policy of the EU is voiced by POPESKA.
        1. hrych
          hrych 12 November 2020 15: 00
          10
          Quote: Bearded
          SHOPPING

          Moreover, complete laughing In Armenia, everyone is looking for Pashinyan to lynch. Hiding of course in the largest Embassy laughing Will be taken out as a diplomatic post, like Uri in a suitcase. But the funniest thing was taught by the Guarantor of the Constitution of Armenia. He supposedly learns about the surrender from the press. So dissociated himself, like Prezik, but nothing to do with. A personal friend of the royal family and the handsome Prince Charlie himself, though old, bald and with artificial teeth. "Worthy" President, "Worthy" Premier, "great" not very great Armenia.
          1. gsev
            gsev 12 November 2020 17: 06
            0
            Quote: hrych
            In Armenia, everyone is looking for Pashinyan to lynch.

            For some reason, it seems to me that Pashinyan will fight more intelligently and steadily for power than for Karabakh. And he will be able to defend his presidency, unlike Karabakh. And in this he and Soros, and Europe, and the United States will provide real help.
            1. hrych
              hrych 12 November 2020 17: 11
              +2
              Quote: gsev
              Pashinyan will fight smarter

              Certainly. Only his life is a real threat.
              1. krot
                krot 12 November 2020 20: 04
                +6
                US press: Russia celebrates victory in Karabakh, EU - defeat

                Would the war go on in Karabakh for a long time, would the EU celebrate victory? Feel the "philosophy" of the Anglo-Saxons!
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 13 November 2020 09: 34
                  -2
                  So far, I can see the great joy expressed by the Azeris about the "great victory" from the downed Russian helicopter. By the way, the great victory was celebrated by the Azeris under the flags of Turkey, which is so "closely related" to the Russians, which today exercises external control over Azeria.
                  "The happiness of the Azeri victory" could be seen by all Muscovites (and less Petersburg residents), who, apparently, took great pleasure in participating in the rides of brunettes under Turkish flags along the streets of OUR capitals in connection with the downing of OUR helicopter.
                  And if the residents of the capital do not care to contemplate the joy of the Azeris over the death of our military (shot down by these same Azeris!), Then in our next elections we can easily see some type of Pashinyan at the head of Russia, who controls us under the leadership of Soros.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 13 November 2020 10: 13
                    -1
                    Further (and this is no longer about the indifference of the capital's residents).
                    Hardly anyone from the capital understands that for 100 years Azerbaijanis have been assimilating the capital's residents to suit their needs, needs and other wishes :: no one noticed that they took most of the cash turnover into their own hands? And does anyone foresee WHAT could happen if traders of various kinds of fast food stop the circulation of cash in their trading businesses for at least a week or two, simply keeping it in their stash boxes?
                    Yeltsin's coup will seem like a kindergarten!
                    Do these Azeris treat us as friends and brothers?
                    Of course not! From any point of view, they treat us as masters, and very little time remains until the moment that they take on the role of janissaries and to whom will they arrange a "happy life" in the first place?
                    That's right, the highlanders: Israeli and Armenian - and their impunity will be covered by our law enforcement agencies, which today are "grazing" so well now in vegetable rows.
                    And what is funny, the Azeris are now found in M-ve in number MORE than they are found in their homeland, in Baku.
                    Think, draw conclusions, compare with Germany ...
                    Those who, in the happy excitement of the holiday, got into the lens of a security camera, especially under the Turkish flag, should be deprived of their citizenship or residence permit and deported as an enemy of Russia.
                    Say no article? So contact your deputy and let him initiate the drafting and adoption of such a law, otherwise the European occupation of foreigners will pour in to us too - THEY ARE SO NEEDING OUR SPACES !!!
                  2. gurzuf
                    gurzuf 14 November 2020 12: 13
                    0
                    Yes, we all watched the celebration on their part. Just what were they celebrating? With this rate of advance, they would have taken all of Narabakh without any problems. After the downed Mi, they abruptly signed an agreement and we brought in our peacekeepers. So maybe they were celebrating that they managed to avoid a war with us? No matter how anyone spoke, but after Azerbaijan's military aggression against Armenia, we had, according to the agreement, to come to the aid of the Armenians.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 14 November 2020 13: 15
                      -1
                      1. There was no aggression on the part of Azeria against Armenia - the Treaty can be left alone.
                      2. Azerbaijanis danced on the bodies of our soldiers, killed by Azeris, being on OUR territory, AS ON THE OCCUPIED.
                      3. We have no right to allow us to celebrate victories over us by our very presence at these races under enemy banners.
                      4. These races are intended to show us that neither the Russians nor our territory are for them something that must be respected and appropriately crouched if they do not want to be extradited ONLY for disrespecting the heroes of the titular nation.
                      5. Appeal to your deputies expressing displeasure with the behavior of foreigners on our territory in relation to the heroes who died for Russia and demanding the application of the Law, suppressing such shameful behavior in relation to the country of residence, prohibiting the display of enemy banners during periods of enemy victories over the Russian Armed Forces.
                      1. gurzuf
                        gurzuf 14 November 2020 14: 33
                        0
                        What nonsense are you talking about! "2. Azerbaijanis danced on the bodies of our soldiers, killed by the Azeris, being on OUR territory, AS ON THE OCCUPIED".
                      2. hydrox
                        hydrox 14 November 2020 15: 56
                        -1
                        Yeah, liberoids do not understand the reason for the joy with which the brunettes staged rides in the center of M-you under Turkish and Azeri flags?
                        So I will explain: they were happy that they shot down OUR (Russian!) Helicopter, while 2 of our pilots were killed - and they celebrated this as a Turkic-international victory.
                        And M-va is still Russian territory, not Azeri, and we have no right to allow the trade invaders to behave like that in M-va.
                        Dry up ...
                      3. hydrox
                        hydrox 14 November 2020 17: 31
                        0
                        I wonder who is minus: someone from Azeri or from liber-villains who drown for Pashinyan?
        2. Polymer
          Polymer 12 November 2020 17: 59
          +1
          Quote: gsev
          And he will be able to defend his presidency

          So he is not the president, but the prime minister.
  • credo
    credo 12 November 2020 14: 29
    +8
    Quote: Livonetc
    "Russia and Turkey became the winners in the unexpectedly aggravated military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan"
    In fact, it is Azerbaijan and Armenia that really benefit from the end of the conflict.

    It is not so important who won from the ceasefire, Armenians or Azerbaijanis, the main thing is that the European media and local "experts", as true instigators, are trying to incite anyone who does not like the presence of Russian peacekeepers in Karabakh for aggression.
    Since the Armenians in fact lost the previously occupied territories around Karabakh, it means that they will be incited to confrontation with both peacekeepers and Russia as a whole, pushing out the EU and the United States as the true defenders of the Armenians, whom Russia crossed the road with the Turks, which means that Russia is an unreliable partner of Armenians in contrast to the "kind and loyal" Europeans and Americans.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 12 November 2020 14: 37
      +6
      Quote: credo
      true instigators

      The true instigators are now planning to establish a military base in Georgia. It was they who knocked out Pashinyan to confront.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 13 November 2020 10: 32
        0
        That is why at the very last (extreme!) Moment a Russian military base appeared in an NGO.
        Yes, Russia set itself up, but was the appearance of a NATO airbase in Georges better for us?
        Maybe it’s easier to substitute, shake off and live in peace, knowing that at least from here "will not fly."
        And in order not to fly from Azeria, you still have to work and work ...
        How?
        Diverse!
        To begin with, remove the military contingent and other Turkish proxies from Baku, albeit in a sabotage manner (sabotage is different (whether an act of catching several in uniform, but without pants, and launching them into the garden of the residence will be called sabotage!).
        If it's difficult, then you can tape it to a bench on the central boulevard, but always in uniform ...
        The main thing is that it doesn't hurt, but it's funny.
        1. Otshelnik
          Otshelnik 14 November 2020 12: 09
          0
          You there in Iravan smells of a citizen, and you are persecuting bullshit here ... by the way, how about tea in Baku ...? You didn't make it to Baku, so we had to go straight to your house with a samovar ... drink for "health"
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 12 November 2020 14: 38
    +4
    Quote: Livonetc
    In fact, it is Azerbaijan and Armenia that really benefit from the end of the conflict.

    It's not about winners and losers. In fact, the US press, to which the news authors refer, directly says that the war in Karabakh is beneficial to the EU and the US. In principle, like any other military conflict near the borders of Russia. Formally, this is an open call for war. And such appeals in the media should not be left without legal assessment and procedural measures. Otherwise, a precedent is created with possible calls for a war with Russia, which can also remain without response.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 13 November 2020 03: 33
      0
      Quote: Vita VKO
      In fact, the US press, which news authors refer to, says in plain text,

      If the US press mentions Karabakh, it is in small print and at the very bottom of the news list. Except for the small number of Armenians, and even smaller number of Azerbaijanis, few people care about it. And besides other immigrants from the USSR, few people know about this at all. And in general, this is not even the third news - but I don't know how strong it is. It is not clear who was elected president in the end, in Georgia (which is not Georgia) the second round of electing as many as two senators, which determines who will get the majority in the Senate (while the Republicans are ahead with a score of 50:48), the virus is disgraceful, what the hell is Karabakh?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 12 November 2020 14: 55
    -4
    I don't really understand what we won. Our peacekeepers have become hostages to the goodwill of the Ottomans. For in the event of an attack on them, well, for example, the barmaleevs, who will help them? There is no common border. Georgia will close its own, we will put Azerbaijan too - and then there remains only a war and a strike on the territory of Azerbaijan. In order to release our grouping. And then the Ottomans will kick in - and away we go .. Why should Russia put itself in a knowingly dependent position? For what?
    1. Dart
      Dart 12 November 2020 15: 17
      +2
      corridor to Iran .. direct railway communication ... the great silk road ..
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 November 2020 19: 26
        +2
        This is for China it is Silk, and for Russia this route is cotton-tea-saffron - and we really need it. I would prefer to keep quiet about Iran, because I just don’t know, but I’m sure that the Iranians have this railway equal to the windows that Peter punched into Europe.
  • Nasdaq
    Nasdaq 12 November 2020 15: 16
    +2
    The fate of small nations is nothing.
    Geopolitics is "EVERYTHING"
  • venik
    venik 12 November 2020 20: 50
    0
    Quote: Livonetc
    In fact, it is Azerbaijan and Armenia that really benefit from the end of the conflict.

    =========
    Alas, Gennady! He (the conflict) is far away not finished! It's just start... WHAT will it be extension and even more so completion....... request
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 12 November 2020 20: 55
    -1
    Of course, everyone won. And yet, of course, we lost something. But if we count from the initial data, then the greatest losses are in Armenia and Artsakh.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 13 November 2020 10: 46
      -1
      Karabakh got better than it could have dreamed of: it received a Russian military base on its territory: jobs, salaries, consumer services, housing maintenance - and never, no Turks and no massacres !!!
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 13 November 2020 11: 37
        +1
        Hydroxu, 10.46
        Crazy handsome! Do you really think that the loss of almost all of your territory, many brothers, large destruction of infrastructure, life in a narrowed enclave under protection and the maintenance of your guard (even if it is a Russian one) is what the Karabakh people dreamed of?
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 13 November 2020 12: 36
          0
          Apparently, PRETTY BOY, Would you prefer that ALL Armenians of Karabakh were massacred by Turks !?
          Then please tell EVERYONE what gesheft are you going to have from this?
          Photos for Western magazines about the atrocities of Russians?
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 13 November 2020 12: 44
            0
            Quote: hydrox
            Apparently, PRETTY BOY, Would you prefer that ALL Armenians of Karabakh were massacred by Turks !?
            Then please tell EVERYONE what gesheft are you going to have from this?
            Photos for Western magazines about the atrocities of Russians?

            Handsome man, why do you ascribe YOUR thoughts to me? Did I give at least some hint of what you are gluing to me? You don't understand at all what this is about? Or are you provoking on purpose?
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 13 November 2020 13: 02
              -2
              Be so kind as to contact your drinking companions at the heating main ...
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 13 November 2020 13: 12
                +1
                Quote: hydrox
                Be so kind as to contact your drinking companions at the heating main ...

                Is that the whole answer? ANSWER, where I said that "I prefer that ALL Armenians of Karabakh were cut out by the Turks," I "wish to have a gesheft from this" and "photographs for Western magazines about the atrocities of Russians"! Trickery or silence will be regarded as a recognition that YOU are a mad idle talker and yap!
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 13 November 2020 13: 14
                  -2
                  Don't be hysterical, liberal girl!
                  After all, for your insults (oh!)
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 13 November 2020 13: 17
                    0
                    Ahhh, so you're just a talker-brawler ... They are also called trolls. Everything, I will know.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 13 November 2020 13: 20
                      -2
                      Halle, Empty Place, Halle, I can't hear you! laughing
  • Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 14 November 2020 15: 34
    +1
    Is Armenia also a winner? Are you seriously? Armenians lost the war in general.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 12 November 2020 14: 17
    +2
    While the EU was inactive, demonstrating its uselessness
    Just like the USA ...
    1. credo
      credo 12 November 2020 14: 36
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      While the EU was inactive, demonstrating its uselessness
      Just like the USA ...

      We will very soon witness how the EU and the United States will begin to shield themselves for unproven aid to the Armenians, blaming all the troubles and misfortunes of Armenia and Karabakh on Russia and the Russians, who basely and brazenly agreed behind the backs of the Armenians, the EU and the United States with the insidious Turks.
      Their psychology is such that they do not take the blame on themselves for anything, placing it on anyone.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 November 2020 19: 34
        0
        It's okay: let's check it out as an ordinary regular appendage of this one, without which the West will not be able to leave us even in the middle of its night's rest (it will ever forget that he forgot to wear diapers for the night), so Parkinson & Alzheimer will have a reason to giggle at old prez ...
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 13 November 2020 03: 35
        0
        Quote: credo
        blaming all the troubles and misfortunes of Armenia and Karabakh on Russia and the Russians,

        And also the Jews, who are always to blame for everything. wassat
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 12 November 2020 14: 57
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      While the EU was inactive, demonstrating its uselessness
      Just like the USA ...


      The states have no time for Karabakh now. They have their own hemorrhoids.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 12 November 2020 14: 21
    +3
    In his opinion, Russia celebrates victory in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the EU - defeat.
    ... In a large family, as they say, you don't need to snap seeds ..
  • purple
    purple 12 November 2020 14: 22
    +4
    Quote: Livonetc
    "Russia and Turkey became the winners in the unexpectedly aggravated military conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan"
    In fact, it is Azerbaijan and Armenia that really benefit from the end of the conflict.

    What makes you think that it ended? It's just getting started ... it's just a respite. The peacekeepers will leave and will go on a new one
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 39
      -1
      Quote: purple
      It's just getting started ... it's just a respite. The peacekeepers will leave and will go on a new one

      What a long wait! The Karabakh army refused to fulfill the signed agreement and has the right to continue military operations. But there are our peacekeepers
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 November 2020 19: 38
        +2
        Here, you see, it is not the army of Armenia that stands against the peacekeepers, but the army of Karabakh - and this is many times smaller military unit than the army of Armenia, while having no claims to the Russian peacekeepers
  • Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 12 November 2020 14: 23
    +2
    Did the EU come to this war?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 12 November 2020 19: 42
      0
      You better try to remember when it was the EU that came to someone else's war to shed its blood ... It has not happened since 45 years.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 12 November 2020 19: 46
        -2
        And this is an absolutely correct position for the EU. It would be better for the Armenians if the European armies won their war instead of them. But why would anyone else besides them?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 November 2020 14: 28
    0
    The surname is what -Pescu! lol Various non-literary versions of the interpretation of this surname keep coming to mind! wassat
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 12 November 2020 14: 39
      -1
      In Russian, Popescu roughly translates as Popov.
  • Light
    Light 12 November 2020 14: 29
    0
    Last paragraph point to point.
  • FerrariStradale
    FerrariStradale 12 November 2020 14: 31
    0
    In 5 years, Azerbaijan will give the command to withdraw the peacekeepers, as provided by the agreement, cut off the only road and finally absorb Karabakh in a couple of hours. That's the whole story.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 14: 45
      -1
      Quote: FerrariStradale
      will finally absorb Karabakh in a couple of hours.

      Azerbaijan needs the Nakhichevan corridor more than Karabakh. As long as Karabakh exists, the Nakhichevan corridor exists.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 12 November 2020 19: 47
        -1
        As soon as there is a railway with access to Iran, everyone who wants to get hold of other people's possessions can only lick their lips.
        For example, you are aware that the NGO belonged to the White Tsar, i.e. Russia?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 19: 52
          -2
          Quote: hydrox
          a railway with access to Iran will be built,

          More precisely, restored, it was there.
          Quote: hydrox
          for example, they know that the NGO belonged to the White Tsar, i.e. Russia?

          Not interested. Everything that came before World War II does not matter.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 13 November 2020 10: 53
            -1
            With such liberoid thoughts, you only need the liberals.
            And Russia (and its population!) Is more concerned with the territorial acquisitions of the Republic of Ingushetia than you are interested in any grants.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 14 November 2020 10: 46
          -1
          So, and I was sure that you would not confess, but this is a key point in determining the rights to own territories ...
  • New Year day
    New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 37
    +3
    Honestly, the EU and Karabakh - from what side? On the other hand, if the opponent praises, then something is wrong.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 November 2020 14: 38
    +1
    After some kind of unintelligible gurgling of Macron and the leaders of the EU, who are somehow not out of hand quarreling with Aliyev, their attempts to influence the course of the conflict are simply ridiculous. laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2020 14: 38
    +1
    Moscow's success significantly undermines the reputation of the European Union
    Maybe the EU itself is undermining its reputation with its policy and anti-Russian sentiments prevailing in the political elite? Do not blame the mirror if the face is crooked.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 November 2020 14: 44
    +3
    We have a national sport - government. Everyone knows what the president-prime minister-defense minister needs to do. But I would not want to be in the place of any of them. Because I do not see a good, correct move, so that all bad people feel bad at once, and all good things feel good. You are dragged into a fight by a whole series of brazen, cynical provocations, and you are constantly forced to choose between bad and very bad. And the most disgusting thing - it will only get worse, that is, more cynical, impudent and with more blood. Alas..... No. request
  • Crabong
    Crabong 12 November 2020 14: 44
    -1
    This Popescu is absolutely right ...
  • Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 12 November 2020 14: 48
    -1
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    In Russian, Popescu roughly translates as Popov.

    With emphasis on the first O!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 November 2020 14: 50
    0
    We can think of their own problems in gayropeans .... however, like everyone else.
  • Teacher67
    Teacher67 12 November 2020 14: 52
    -11 qualifying.
    Well, firstly, there is only one winner, and this is Erdogan; secondly, Russia has completely undermined the reputation of an "ally"; in the third, the CSTO can be disbanded as a fictitious organization.
    1. Hikaro
      Hikaro 12 November 2020 15: 39
      +2
      And how did Russia undermine its reputation? How can you explain it? or just poop on the fan !! In fact; Russia stopped the war, saved the Armenians from slaughter and extermination! Gave Armenia time to restore the army and bring a normal government to power! Azerbaijan was able to keep from complete absorption by Turkey! Preserving business agreements with both belligerent countries and not getting involved in a war with Turkey! And that's just what is in sight! But we are not given to know the personal agreements with Aliyev, Erdogan and Pashinyan!
      1. Teacher67
        Teacher67 12 November 2020 18: 27
        -4
        How did they surrender an ally in the CSTO, lost Karabakh, themselves suffered military losses (mi-24).
  • Lesorub
    Lesorub 12 November 2020 15: 02
    +3
    While the EU was inactive, demonstrating its uselessness, Moscow and Ankara demonstrated their political will and demonstrated military strength. It is Turkey and Russia that now dominate the regions neighboring the European Union.

    It is not clear where Popeska saw his neighbors in the Caucasus, and what kind of influence could be spoken about to the EU countries - who have either migrants or abortions. (unless Macron's sluggish attacks on the Sultan are all the influence).
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 November 2020 15: 11
    +1
    The author believes that such a success of Moscow significantly undermines the reputation of the European Union. In his opinion, Russia celebrates victory in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the EU - defeat.
    European countries have also compromised themselves in Yugoslavia and Kosovo. So "whose cow would bellow, and yours would be silent."
  • Alexga
    Alexga 12 November 2020 15: 20
    +1
    Peace is needed in that region, peace at any cost. There will be a need to enforce peace even by force of arms. A situation may turn out: Pashinyan will be overthrown, the new leaders will not comply with the signed agreement, without transferring the indicated regions to Azerbaijan.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 November 2020 15: 24
    +2
    What does the EU and the Middle East have to do with it? AND? it would be better for Europe to deal with its problems, and not stick its nose where it is not necessary.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 12 November 2020 16: 10
      +3
      Well, you really want to have nishtyaks for yourself in someone else's war. "The United States does it, and why are we worse?" And the fact that the war would have something to fuck into it still need to "climb" the United States can do it, the Europeans - no. And they are offended.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 November 2020 17: 30
        +1
        Poor things. Abysmal, huh?)))
  • Calm
    Calm 12 November 2020 15: 53
    +1
    The EU has nothing to do with it at all, it can generally be attributed to the internal affairs of Russia, they generally don't need to poke their noses here
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 12 November 2020 16: 07
    +1
    In his opinion, Russia celebrates victory in Nagorno-Karabakh, and the EU - defeat.
    It turns out that if there was a massacre in Karabakh, the EU would celebrate the victory?
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev 12 November 2020 16: 31
    +1
    The whole rapid course of events speaks only of pre-prepared script... I will never believe that such a trick could really be done in a few hours of improvisation. But why was Pashinyan allowed to prove something else to someone? How many people would have been spared if it had started a week earlier !!! They fought on the sofas with varied success, and "who is supposed to" have already drawn zones of influence. I don’t believe that the Americans have completely blinded the situation because of the elections. Theirs "who is supposed to" also do not sleep, which means that the GDP "Wishlist" in the South Caucasus will be cooler for today !!!
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 12 November 2020 16: 43
    +1
    And the European Union is in general what side?
  • faiver
    faiver 12 November 2020 17: 05
    +1
    The author believes that such a success of Moscow significantly undermines the reputation of the European Union.
    - it has long been undermined by the European Union, wherever they meddle with their "democracy" everywhere is the collapse of states, production, the economy and the death of people, where hundreds, where thousands, and where tens of thousands of deaths ...
  • iouris
    iouris 12 November 2020 17: 19
    +1
    Let the US press celebrate Biden's victory. Russia has nothing to celebrate. Still ahead.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 12 November 2020 17: 27
    -2
    Russia celebrates victory in Karabakh, EU - defeat

    I can smell this "victory" in PR .. Now they can kill ours from both sides, but the Turks can arrange provocations if we start pressing them in Syria. ! The most interesting is yet to come, here Donbass will catch fire, then Abkhazia, etc. We will torture the peacekeepers to drive along our borders amid the snide laughs of the "Western partners" ... Of course, I'm exaggerating a little, but it's better to perebzdit than to be underdog and bear losses.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 12 November 2020 19: 06
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    Nicu Popescu, Head of the Greater Europe Program at the European Council on Foreign Relations

    It is better not to meddle with such a surname in the Caucasus. They might think that the nickname ... or what profession.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 November 2020 21: 10
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    Armenia claims that Azerbaijan has exhausted its reserves. This is not true. Back in 2016, the military budget of Azerbaijan was larger than the budget of the whole of Armenia.

    Economy of the two countries. Oil, a developed economy, Azerbaijan's creditworthiness are capable of dictating conditions to the Armenian economy, suppressing it.

    Income to the budget of Azerbaijan for 2018 - $ 11,8 billion.

    Income to the budget of Armenia for 2018 is $ 2,8 billion (4 times less). laughing lol
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 12 November 2020 21: 44
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    Quote: Teacher67
    How did they surrender an ally in the CSTO, lost Karabakh, themselves suffered military losses (mi-24).

    We surrendered the "ally", with such an ally and enemies are not necessary. laughing laughing laughingThere is an old Persian saying:

    "A lion at the head of a flock of rams makes him a" flock of lions, "and a ram at the head of a flock of lions turns it into a" flock of rams "...!"

    In our case, everything worked out according to the logic of this saying - ... they drove out the lion, and returned to their natural state - a herd of sheep.
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 12 November 2020 21: 45
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    Well, if the US Press praises the successes of Russia, then this is a complete failure of Russia and the West and Turkey are the winners.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      12 November 2020 22: 01
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      If the US press writes about Russia's successes, this does not mean that it is happy about them. And it's probably too early to talk about losing or winning.
  • flicker
    flicker 13 November 2020 11: 55
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    US press: Russia celebrates victory in Karabakh,
    Russia celebrates nothing in Karabakh.

    Russia regrets that it was bound by various (beyond its control) circumstances and could not stop this war earlier.
  • Guazdilla
    Guazdilla 14 November 2020 12: 44
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    This opinion was expressed by the head of the "Greater Europe" program at the European Council on Foreign Relations, Nicu Popescu, in his article published by the American edition of Politico.

    .... head of the Greater Europe program at the European Council on Foreign Relations, Nicu Popescu .... (Wikipedia
    European thought factory conducting analyzes on foreign and security policy topics. The organization aims to strengthen the common and coordinated policy of European countries in these areas.)
    We could not find anything about Nika Popescu on the internet.
    Politico is distributed free of charge in Washington DC and Manhattan, New York.
    The appearance of this article in the Russian media looks like an order to justify its own weak results in preventing the war in Karabakh, then in inaction in the military conflict that happened and, as a consequence, the results of the ended Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation, which led to the fragmentation of the Russian presence in the Transcaucasus and the strengthening of Turkey's role ( NATO countries) in the region.
    When on the street you will be handed out free reading material with articles of unrecognizable authorship, in any case, there is a reason to think about the quality of this material.
  • kutuz
    kutuz 14 November 2020 13: 14
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    Delusional "conclusions" have not yet read. Yes, and I would like to link to the article, there are doubts.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      16 November 2020 20: 31
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      Sometimes it is more delusional. And here is the link https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-win-eu-loss-in-nagorno-karabakh/