Putin's southern belt: now the Russian military throughout the South Caucasus - from Abkhazia to Azerbaijan

The conclusion of a trilateral truce agreement not only stopped the war on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, but also allowed Russia to strengthen its positions in the Transcaucasus. The entry of Russian peacekeepers into Karabakh expands Russia's zone of influence, some military analysts say.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has once again shown himself to be a good strategist. The signing of a trilateral agreement between Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia, where the latter acts as a guarantor, was kept secret until the very last moment and came as a surprise to many.

With this agreement, Russia not only prevented the invasion of the region by NATO forces led by the United States, but also allowed the parties to "save face" against the backdrop of a possible military defeat of Armenia and the possible fall of Azerbaijan under the direct control of Turkey. Another plus for Russia is the deployment of Russian peacekeepers actually on the territory of Azerbaijan.

Thus, Russia continues to expand its military presence in the South Caucasus. A peacekeeping contingent will now be added to the already existing military bases in South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Armenia. In fact, this is another Russian military base in the region. 1960 Russian servicemen of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade (peacekeeping) of the Central Military District, 90 BTR-82A armored personnel carriers, 380 units of automotive and special equipment, including Tigr and Typhoon armored vehicles, attack and military transport helicopters and Drones.

Recall that the 7th joint military base of the Russian Armed Forces with a contingent of up to 4 thousand people is located in Abkhazia. The main location is the former peacekeeping facilities and the Bambour military airfield in the Gudauta region, the training ground and part of the port in Ochamchira, joint Russian-Abkhaz military garrisons in the Kodori Gorge and near the Inguri hydroelectric power station.

In Armenia, the 102nd Russian military base in Gyumri is located on a free basis with a personnel strength of about 5 thousand people.

Since 2009, the 4th Russian military base with 4 people has been deployed in South Ossetia. The main location is the former peacekeeping facilities in Tskhinvali, a training ground in Dzartsem, a military town and airbase in Java, a military town 4 km north of Tskhinvali, a joint airfield in the village of Kurta.

Comments

[NTD]

The Armenians think that Pashinyan sold Artsakh, the Azerbaijanis think that Aliyev gave Karabakh to Russia, the Russians - that Putin endangered the lives of their soldiers in a new foreign war, the Turks - that Erdogan spent all his last money on the war for the benefit of Russia, the Georgians - that Russia surrounded their country for the next attack, the Iranians - that America and Israel surrounded them to attack in the future. Meanwhile, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov opened a monument to his Alabai in the capital of Turkmenistan!

[Livonetc]

You are now somewhat off topic.

[NTD]

Quote: Livonetc

You are now somewhat off topic.

I agree) I'm just tired. Where I look everywhere about Armenians. Everywhere is Karabakh. I want peace, barbecue, vodka, tea samovar .........

[Ilya-spb]

The Armenians are tired. Turks too.

Isn't Russia's gain obvious?

1) a new military base in Karabakh.
2) the peace treaty was signed with the mediation of Russia.
3) Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.
4) there are too many Turks - do you believe that Azerbaijan wants to become your Turkish fat? I do not believe.

[NTD]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.

What's true is true. To be honest and conscientious, Azerbaijan needed revenge for the 90s in addition to land. Too much mud was poured from the Armenians towards the Azerbaijani army. Putin killed 1 birds with one stone. The base in Azerbaijan and satisfied Azerbaijan, and Armenia realized that without Russia the very existence of Armenia would be in question. But Pashinyan does not give up. Plants the opposition.

Pashinyan, opposition deputies say this .........

Pashinyan’s deputies turned to the opposition, which organized protests over Armenia’s surrender in the war. The statement says that before discussing the legitimacy of the well-known statement about the end of the Karabakh war, the ruling bloc invites the opposition to "very clearly state to all Armenians and the world" that they:

1. Support the abolition of Russian mediation;

2. Support the withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers from the line of contact;

3. They are in favor of continuing the war.

After that, Pashinyan’s deputies say, the opposition forces should also present “a proposed roadmap for victory in the renewed war”.

In principle, they are right.

[flicker]

Putin killed 1 birds with one stone.

Putin stopped (perhaps for the time being) a bloody scenario in which a local conflict grew into a regional one, would spread further, turning into a continental conflict, and as a result could have sunk into a global one.
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It was Azerbaijan all these years that dreamed of returning its territories (for a very long time refusing from war), and Armenia all these years has been waiting for the promised recognition of the independence of Karabakh.
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And someone wanted war.
And he did everything so that the conflict began to be resolved exclusively through the war. Why were the conditions created for the war to start? One of these conditions was the arrival (or rather, the drive) to power of Pashinyan and Armenia's turn towards joining NATO, which served as the final push for Azerbaijan towards a military solution to this conflict. And here I was forced to become hugely dependent on Turkey (by the way, Turkey's political course is an Anglo-Saxon project, which the Anglo-Saxons will close at the right time).
Azerbaijan's envy of Turkey is an extremely negative circumstance for Azerbaijan.
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Those. the current war in Karabakh only for Armenia and Azerbaijan was for territory - and for other arsonists it pursued a different goal.
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As a result, Russia (for now!) Was able to stop this bloody scenario, moving the misfortune first of all from Armenia and Azerbaijan, from its southern borders and, once again, Turkey from another dangerous adventure.
But only for now.

[icant007]

Quote: flicker

It was Azerbaijan all these years that dreamed of returning its territories (for a very long time refusing from war), and Armenia all these years has been waiting for the promised recognition of the independence of Karabakh.

Just the same Armenia dreamed, thinking about how cool they are))), hoping for the recognition of Karabakh. But Azerbaijan was preparing.
And I wonder who promised Armenia to recognize Karabakh? It is known that they are waiting for the promised three years.

[flicker]

And I wonder who promised Armenia to recognize Karabakh?

The West promised. Pashinyan (it seems from despair) at the last moment even turned to Biden.

It is known that they are waiting for the promised three years.

The Armenians waited more.
But they truly LOVE this LAND.
And if in the coming years the Azerbaijani and Armenian people do not build CONFIDENTIAL relations, then the struggle for Karabakh will continue.

[icant007]

Quote: flicker

The Armenians waited more.

In reality, the Azerbaijanis were expecting more.
Armenia, having received Karabakh in the 90s, relaxed and, by and large, did not expect anything. The status quo suited them so much that they were not afraid of anything and even developed tourism.

Well, I have no doubt that they sincerely love this land.
Exactly the same as the Azerbaijanis who lived there.

[flicker]

Exactly the same as the Azerbaijanis who lived there

What and speech.
The Karabakh issue can only be resolved through establishing a relationship of trust between Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
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Otherwise, the world will not be there.

[icant007]

It was necessary to somehow establish economic cooperation immediately after the start of the 1994 truce. It could significantly level the enmity. And it was necessary to carry out explanatory work on reconciliation in society. In any case, the younger generation that has grown up during this time would see a more positive picture.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: flicker

The Karabakh issue can be resolved only through the establishment of trusting relations between Armenians and Azerbaijanis

And how do you see this in real life, and not in good wishes?

[flicker]

in good wishes

And in real life, "good wishes" appear at the beginning (called projects), and then they are realized in real life.
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As for the Karabakh conflict, this project should be based on one big GOOD FEELING - this is sincere LOVE for the LAND of Karabakh and Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
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So far, the whole point is in the project: and it includes the following provisions:
1 - Azerbaijanis should understand and accept the fact that Armenians sincerely love the Land of Karabakh.
2 - Armenians should understand and accept the fact that Azerbaijanis sincerely love the Land of Karabakh.
Those. and Armenians and Azerbaijanis they share a common LOVE for the Land of Karabakh.
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Often the native land is called Mother.
It turns out that both Armenians and Azerbaijanis have one MOTHER. And for a mother, there is nothing more painful than a war between children.
And the children (if they love their mother) should stop killing each other.
And their MOTHER - the Land of Karabakh will thank them a hundredfold for this.

In short, it is the common love for the Land of Karabakh that should make them stop fighting.
***
Now the same idea, but from a slightly different angle.
In the early 90's, the Armenians seemed to have recaptured Karabakh forever.
But the love of Azerbaijanis for Karabakh and its isolation from Azerbaijanis made them start a war for the sake of returning to the Land of Karabakh.
Now, conditionally, the Armenians are considered to be exiled, who will surely gather their strength and return it in the same military way.
Then the opposite will happen, etc.
And behind all these swings there will be more and more human lives of both Armenians and Azerbaijanis.
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And so it can be endlessly, until the costs of such a path (the lives of young guys) make both peoples think.
And thinking maybe
the above proposed project (cohabitation) will prevail - which will indicate the maturity of the peoples.
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[Goffman]

Quote: flicker

1 - Azerbaijanis must understand and accept the fact that Armenians sincerely love the Land of Karabakh.
2 - Armenians must understand and accept the fact that Azerbaijanis sincerely love the Land of Karabakh.
Those. both Armenians and Azerbaijanis are united by their common LOVE for the Land of Karabakh.

... And if it happens that he is in love, and I am on his way,
I’ll get out of the way, this is the law - the third must go.

[flicker]

Here we are talking about another love - about love for the Earth, i.e. no superfluous. The mother has many children and she loves everyone.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: flicker

What and speech.
The Karabakh issue can be resolved only through the establishment of trusting relations between Armenians and Azerbaijanis.

then, at least for their sake, it is worth reviving the USSR ....?!

[flicker]

then, at least for their sake, it is worth reviving the USSR ....?!

Why not?
In general, the Soviet Union as a model of social (socialist) relations has far from exhausted itself.
Moreover, she only set the goal of forming (educating) a NEW person, a truly humane person, and tried (at least tried!) To do it (whether it worked out or not is another matter).
Without a new man, the world is doomed to war, and modern war may well bury humanity.
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It seems that humanity does not have a great choice - either self-destruction through war (here war is a way to solve conflicts of interest)
Or the upbringing of a NEW person (with new value orientations) who, through this value novelty, is able to find other ways to resolve emerging conflicts and thereby avoid a self-destructive war.
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The second way is the best, but unlikely.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: flicker

In general, the Soviet Union ..... The second way is the best, but unlikely.

in solidarity. as for me, so good train of thought (!!).

[Siberian]

But did Armenia itself recognize Karabakh? Did we miss something in the last hours?

[Leeds]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Ilya-spb

Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.

What's true is true. To be honest and conscientious, Azerbaijan needed revenge for the 90s in addition to land. Too much mud was poured from the Armenians towards the Azerbaijani army. Putin killed 1 birds with one stone. The base in Azerbaijan and satisfied Azerbaijan, and Armenia realized that without Russia the very existence of Armenia would be in question. But Pashinyan does not give up. Plants the opposition.

Pashinyan, opposition deputies say this .........

Pashinyan’s deputies turned to the opposition, which organized protests over Armenia’s surrender in the war. The statement says that before discussing the legitimacy of the well-known statement about the end of the Karabakh war, the ruling bloc invites the opposition to "very clearly state to all Armenians and the world" that they:

1. Support the abolition of Russian mediation;

2. Support the withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers from the line of contact;

3. They are in favor of continuing the war.

After that, Pashinyan’s deputies say, the opposition forces should also present “a proposed roadmap for victory in the renewed war”.

In principle, they are right.

Perhaps it would be more expedient to carry out the last paragraph before point 1, 2 and especially 3? Oh, yes, the deputies will continue to fight from Yerevan.

[NTD]

Quote: Ilya-spb

4) there are too many Turks - do you believe that Azerbaijan wants to become your Turkish fat? I do not believe.

Azerbaijan wants to be Azerbaijan, it is 100% and nobody's vassal. Only here there is a couple, but, DO NOT COUNT WITH RUSSIA in the Transcaucasus, this will lead to deplorable situations. Even Erdogan said that he is constantly in contact with the Russian side. This suggests that he is coordinating his step with the Kremlin. Armenians are fools. If Turkey began to discuss every step with Russia, where did the Armenians go with their Western love?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: MTN

Azerbaijan, it is 100% and nobody's vassal. T

/ Dexterously. And why are the Turks there? Have you come to have some tea?

[New Year day]

Quote: Ilya-spb

new military base in Karabakh.

For 5 years, if one side is opposed, there is no renewal

Quote: Ilya-spb

the peace treaty was signed with the mediation of Russia.

AND.....

Quote: Ilya-spb

) Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.

It was the Russian Federation that stopped its offensive, and got it thanks to itself and the Turks. Did you see reports and videos of battles?

Quote: Ilya-spb

there are too many Turks - you believe that Azerbaijan wants to become Turkish fat for you

He has already become, you just did not notice it

[Leeds]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Ilya-spb

new military base in Karabakh.

For 5 years, if one side is opposed, there is no renewal

Quote: Ilya-spb

the peace treaty was signed with the mediation of Russia.

AND.....

Quote: Ilya-spb

) Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.

It was the Russian Federation that stopped its offensive, and got it thanks to itself and the Turks. Did you see reports and videos of battles?

Quote: Ilya-spb

there are too many Turks - you believe that Azerbaijan wants to become Turkish fat for you

He has already become, you just did not notice it

You can declare to everyone that the safety of the civilian population is not ensured, go on an erotic journey, we remain until the establishment of a guaranteed peace (forever).

[New Year day]

Quote: Leeds

You can tell everyone

You can declare whatever you want. The document contains the term and conditions for the renewal.

[Leeds]

The United States also signed many agreements that have expired long ago.

[New Year day]

Quote: Leeds

The United States also signed many agreements that have expired long ago

Firstly, we are not the United States in many ways,
secondly, the United States left Kyrgyzstan, for example

[Siberian]

Is it only Azerbaijan? Remember Abkhazia: we will not join anyone, but if it comes up, we are closer to Turkey. Although Turkey did not think to recognize them, what about the Georgian Adjara? Isn't it the same? Do they all want to become Turkey? Perhaps, but the presidents definitely do not want to, they did not bring down the union for this, everyone wants to be a king, at least small, but real. Aliyev wants the land, he wants the participation of the Turks, but it is unlikely that he will really lie under Turkey, and there is no other option without the Russian Federation

[fruc]

...... Recall that the 7th joint military base of the Russian Armed Forces with a contingent of up to 4 thousand people is located in Abkhazia. The main location is the former peacekeeping facilities and the Bambour military airfield in the Gudauta area .......

Not Bambour, but Bambora. Before the outbreak of hostilities in 92, Gudauta had the best and most advanced military airfield in the Transcaucasus. After the Abkhazians disarmed the anti-aircraft missile regiment in Gudauta, the entire garrison was withdrawn from there. Now half of the airfield was left: some of the plates from the takeoff were dismantled and taken away somewhere, power cables (non-ferrous metal) were torn out and sold. After that, homeless dogs ran and cows roamed the blackberries. I don't think anything has changed there.

[New Year day]

Quote: frruc

I don't think anything has changed there.

Probably, the other half was taken away. Abkhazians do not even mind robbing, especially at home

[Unknown]

Quote: Ilya-spb

The Armenians are tired. Turks too.

Isn't Russia's gain obvious?

1) a new military base in Karabakh.
2) the peace treaty was signed with the mediation of Russia.
3) Azerbaijan got what it wanted thanks to Russia.
4) there are too many Turks - do you believe that Azerbaijan wants to become your Turkish fat? I do not believe.

...... What kind of win for Russia? We need now that Karabakh, like a dog's fifth leg. how to supply that base? by air through Georgia, and maybe Azerbvan. not today, tomorrow, Georgia will invite the NATO Varangians, and they will clap and close the sky, or maybe a couple of times, so in the meantime, several of our planes will overwhelm, and the clear-faced will menacingly puff out his cheeks, and threaten his finger, well, the guys at that base are surrounded Azeri and ar to die. do we need this? Azerbaijanis have been looking into the mouths of the Turks for a long time, and they do not care about Russia from a high tower. they prefer to live, by the way, in Moscow, and in the large cities of R.F. to do their own thing there, and not in Istanbul and Ankara. in the North Caucasus, not one problem has been resolved, all conflicts smolder slowly, if it flares up in the rear, that the guys at those bases will do it. to die in splendid isolation? but we can do that. there is no need to go there without solving the problem of Ossetia with Georgia and Chechnya. Putin has created the Khanate of Ichkeria, and he pays tribute, where will Kadyrov turn?
something tells me, clearly not in the direction of Russia.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Unknown

what is Russia's gain?

ask this question to the Americans who have stuffed hundreds of military bases around the world

Quote: Unknown

Georgia will invite NATO Varangians, and they clap and close the sky

These Varangians were already in Georgia in 2008 and what did they help Saakashvili?

[Rubi0]

You will win it when the receiving party pays for the base, plus it raises defense spending to 4% of GDP and all this money goes to the purchase of Russian equipment, this is it. Otherwise, it’s just losses.

[air defense]

that Azerbaijan wants to become Turkish fat for you? I do not believe.

Azerbaijan does not ask anyone, the Turks already command and change ministers and officers as they need.

[Machito]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Livonetc

You are now somewhat off topic.

I agree) I'm just tired. Where I look everywhere about Armenians. Everywhere is Karabakh. I want peace, barbecue, vodka, tea samovar .........

And feed Alabai with a kebab.

[Catfish]

Good afternoon, Colleague You can't even imagine how much I agree with you.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: MTN

I want peace, barbecue, vodka, tea samovar .........

Military unit of the 15th MRB. The Russian Army will receive all this in Karabakh ...., internationalist warriors in the 21st century in the CIS are acquiring a new meaning, only the Armenians outside the NKR are unlikely to appreciate this for real ... after all, after 30 years of the collapse of the Union (in including and with their participation) the Armenians believe that the Russians owe them ...

[Cosm22]

But the article is too customized. Don’t you?
The theses are too controversial, you start to delve into them - there are more questions than answers.

"With this agreement, Russia not only prevented NATO forces from invading the region ..."
Is the author actually aware that it was the NATO country that invaded this region? Legally now? A region that was previously considered exclusively a zone of influence of Russia and no one else? Nobody could have thought of such a development of events before.
"Thus, Russia continues to expand its military presence in the South Caucasus."
The one who, in fact, has begun to expand its presence in the South Caucasus, is Turkey.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Cosm22

But the article is too customized.

By whom?

[Vitaly161]

the country of NATO was put into your head, only our peacekeepers are in the NKR, the Turks will not be there !!! and Azerbaijan is an independent state, with whom it wants and admires (in this case, Turkey)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vitaliy161

the country of NATO was put into your head, only our peacekeepers are in the NKR, the Turks will not be there !!! and Azerbaijan is an independent state, with whom it wants and admires (in this case, Turkey)

Yes blablabol minus

[Vitaly161]

yeah) immediately rolled into insults, keep it up) to say that in response there is nothing, 000 arguments

[Cosm22]

Uh-huh.
Azerbaijan is an independent state. He hangs out with whoever he wants. In this particular case, clearly not with Russia.
Straight Logic ...
According to it, Ukraine can also hang out with whomever it wants, for the state is independent.
And Moldova.
And Georgia.
And let me ask you, what will remain after that of Russian influence in the post-Soviet space, about which regular TV propagandists love to spread?
Except horns and legs?

[La Peruse]

With this agreement, Russia received a suitcase without a handle !!! - It's uncomfortable to carry and it's a pity to throw! What to do with this "rich" now No one in Russia knows. As a layman, I see only one thing that the Russian Federation is diving lower and lower, looking for another bottom.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: La Peruse

As a man in the street, I only see

own nose, and even then not always.
And about the bottom: ignorance of the native (although not a fact) language is the very bottom.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Paranoid50

own nose, and even then not always.
And about the bottom: ignorance of the native (although not a fact) language is the very bottom.

Do you remember Gorky's play At the Bottom well?
It was written almost 120 years ago, but has again become relevant for the Russian Federation of the 21st century, and now it is also about the very bottom. Does this surprise you?
Only the spelling has nothing to do with it.

[Lipchanin]

Minusanul and did not answer. So you can put any minus. ORDERED BY WHOM ????? Or blurted out and forgot ????? Before accusing Goto, we must provide arguments. And so, BLABLABOL

[lopvlad]

Quote: Cosm22

that it was a NATO country that invaded the region?

Turkey has invaded Azerbaijan since the early 90s and has been there legally since that time.
As far as Nagorno-Karabakh is concerned, there will be no Turkey, whatever Erdogan wants there, because the trilateral agreement (Armenia, Russia, Azerbaijan) does not provide for any other foreign peacekeepers except for the Russian military on the territory of Karabakh.
As for the monitoring center in which the Turkish military will be, it will be located on the territory of Azerbaijan and not on the territory of Karabakh.

So how much has the Turkish presence expanded in the South Caucasus?
The Turkish presence was expanded to the very few regions and the Karabakh city of Shusha by the conquered Azerbaijanis.

How much has the Russian military presence expanded in the South Caucasus?
Another military base in another state of the South Caucasus.

In the course of this conflict, only Armenia lost, and as for Turkey, it most likely did not gain what it hoped for, namely, the introduction of its regular military units in Karabakh.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: MTN

Meanwhile, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov opened a monument to his Alabai in the capital of Turkmenistan!

At least one good news! You can be happy for Alabai

[nobody75]

"One was a friend. Now he is gone" - Byron.
And why not put up a monument to his four-legged friend?
I remember the late Turkmenbashi erected a monument to himself. On a rotating platform so that the statue points to the sun with a finger ...
In Ashgabat they joked: "If you want to live, be able to spin."
And so it is throughout Central Asia. For local elites, every day is "Melon Day".
And the Turks dream that after the war of the Karabakh Franchise, all the Turkic peoples will unite under their patronage. Naive ...

[NDR-791]

Meanwhile, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov opened a monument to his Alabai in the capital of Turkmenistan!
Already in two branches it was repeated word for word. Repetition is not always the mother of learning, sometimes it looks funny

[venik]

Quote: MTN

Armenians think that Pashinyan sold Artsakh, Azerbaijanis think

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Wait, but this same comment of yours ("word for word") was just on another thread !!! Do you write them "as a carbon copy"?

[RUS96]

Quote: MTN

Armenians think that Pashinyan sold Artsakh ...

Ay-yay-yay. At least put the quotes

[rruvim]

Gold (made of gold)?

[Nagaibak]

MTN "Meanwhile, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov opened a monument to his Alabai in the capital of Turkmenistan!"
To the point.))) All rightly noticed. Whom what.)))

[lopvlad]

Quote: MTN

Russians - that Putin has endangered the lives of their soldiers in a new foreign war

only adherents of American puppets with brainwashed Western propaganda think so in Russia.

[Livonetc]

Where are our military now.
Belarus.
Kazakhstan.
Transnistria.
Abkhazia.
South Ossetia.
Tajikistan.
Kyrgyzstan.
Armenia.
Karabakh.
Syria.
Another point of material supply for the Russian Navy in Sudan is expected.

[nobody75]

Another point of material supply for the Russian Navy in Sudan is expected.

And rightly so - the Suez Canal and Bar - El - Mabey Strait must be controlled from two sides.
Still, in Grenada, return the base ... for a beach holiday ...
Sincerely


Bab el-Mandeb strait

[Interlocutor]

Where are our military now.
Belarus.
Kazakhstan.
Transnistria.
Abkhazia.
South Ossetia.
Tajikistan.
Kyrgyzstan.
Armenia.
Karabakh.
Syria.
Another point of material supply for the Russian Navy in Sudan is expected.

Ehhhh. Cuba, Cuba is not enough ...

[Radius]

Quote: Interlocutor

Ehhhh. Cuba, Cuba is not enough ...

And the Vietnamese Camrani ... PS In Antarctica we are, though in a civilian capacity. But the civilian is not a hindrance to the military, as well as at the North Pole :)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Livonetc

Where are our military now.
Belarus.
Kazakhstan.
Transnistria.
Abkhazia.
South Ossetia.
Tajikistan.
Kyrgyzstan.
Armenia.
Karabakh.
Syria.
Another point of material supply for the Russian Navy in Sudan is expected.

The Il-78 air group in Vietnam (refueling our strategists over the Pacific Ocean) ...

[aszzz888]

Putin's southern belt: now the Russian military throughout the South Caucasus - from Abkhazia to Azerbaijan

Because - that's enough, you've had enough. It's time for us to bared our teeth.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: aszzz888

It's time for us to bared our teeth.

You can grin when you have beautiful white even TEETH.

But it's better not to start grinning and showing rotten, uneven and falling out TEETH.

I want to believe that you understand what I mean.

[awdrgy]

I wonder how much is on the border with China))

[the Saint]

Stalin launched this term - "besieged fortress". Focusing on the fact that we are the only ones in the world to build a peaceful and happy life and capitalist predators are biting their teeth around our country. Therefore, it is necessary to militarize the economy, the population to unite in Voroshilov riflemen and OSOAVIAKHIM, bear huge military expenses, and the Red Army is the strongest of all.

The “besieged fortress” syndrome, in fact, personifies three forms of hostility - the whole world is against us, no one loves us, everyone is afraid of us.
At the same time, there is a downside - an aggressively implanted fear abroad: the Europeans killed all the Indians, “they lynch blacks,” a huge number of homeless people, a high level of crime, and other horror stories are shooting in schools.

[bar]

The “besieged fortress” syndrome, in fact, personifies three forms of hostility - the whole world is against us, no one loves us, everyone is afraid of us.
At the same time, there is a downside - aggressively implanted fear of abroad

Everything seems to be so, with the exception of the word "syndrome".
What do you suggest?

[the Saint]

Quote: bar

What do you suggest?

They have already offered me. Four years ago, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, having contacted the 60 Minutes program, invited experts and presenters to join the State Duma deputies and raise a glass of champagne together for Donald Trump's victory in the US presidential election.
At the same time, RT head Margarita Simonyan wrote her famous tweet: “Today I want to take a ride around Moscow with an American flag in the car window. If I find a flag. Join us. They deserve it today. " Soon she added: “In general, today I drive like this: in one window - our flag, in the other - the American. I symbolize peace-friendship-chewing gum in advance ”.

Repeatable for Biden

[bar]

Funny yeah.

[awdrgy]

They never loved us

[the Saint]

Quote: awdrgy

They never loved us

Our leaders traditionally blame the United States of America for all the troubles, but what they do not talk about is that the United States saved Russia from hunger four times. Many Russians do not know about it or do not believe it, but the Americans really saved tens of millions of Russian citizens from starvation and epidemics.

In 1891-1892, there was a famine in tsarist Russia, which was caused by drought and bad weather in the agricultural regions of the country. Millions of Russians were left without food. It is noteworthy that the government did not have supplies in case of crop failure. Aid to Russia was organized in the USA. Hundreds of tonnes of provisions, humanitarian aid and a loan for farmers were able to cushion the effects of the famine.

In 1921 - 1922, famine broke out in Soviet Russia. The reasons were civil war, poor logistics, drought and government passivity. The country's leadership turned to the world community for help. The United States of America has become one of the main suppliers of food and medicine. US representatives brought 136 million rubles worth of aid to the Union. For 2 years, the Americans fed and treated Soviet citizens with their medicines.

During the parade on May 9, you will not hear about Lend-Lease, but the received stew with the rest of the food from the United States was 5 times more than what was produced in the USSR. Millions of Russian soldiers and citizens ate American food.

For the 4th time, Americans helped Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union and in the 90s. The adult generation knows such an expression as "Bush's Legs", these are chicken legs that were supplied from the United States to help Russians. By the collapse of the Soviet Union, our huge country came to the brink of starvation. And in 1992, the Americans launched Operation Give Hope with the free delivery of thousands of tons of provisions and medicines to the CIS countries.

[awdrgy]

I remember Bush's legs - a disgusting thing forbidden for sale in the United States I clearly remember boxes with expired army rations (it seems American or German) - this is normal help I remember the bewilderment of people in the yard who were given this butor once Questions Why? And where to put them? The chewing gum there was such a white type of dirol, disgusting, we dumped on it - "And in 1992 the Americans began the operation" Give Hope "" Yes, there really was a similar operation to supply products, it very quickly finished off the competitive industries of the former USSR. (this is generally an overwritten topic) In civil and even earlier I will not even study, for sure they pursued the same selfish and harmful goals for us

[the Saint]

Quote: awdrgy

For Lend-Lease they also got a good fuck

Can you explain what you can get for the obviously free?

[awdrgy]

Lend-Lease to lend (on loans) - "An agreement with the USSR on the procedure for repaying debts under Lend-Lease was concluded only in 1972. [48] According to this agreement, the USSR pledged to pay $ 2001 million until 722, including interest. July 1973, three payments were made for a total of $ 48 million, after which payments were stopped due to the introduction of discriminatory measures by the American side in trade with the USSR (Jackson-Vanik Amendment). In June 1990, during negotiations between the presidents of the United States and the USSR, the parties returned to the discussion of the debt. [49] A new final maturity date of 2030 was set and the amount was $ 674 million. [50] Material from Wicca According to the sources, it makes no sense to climb - "Technically, the debts of the USSR were divided into debts to governments (Paris Club) and debts to private banks (London Club); the debt for Lend-Lease was a debt to the US government, that is, part of the debt to the Paris Club. Russia fully paid off her debt to the Paris Club on August 21, 2006 [56] "Even I personally paid it off (of course, a certain part as a citizen of Russia) There is nothing to talk about here

[awdrgy]

And this is even more interesting - "The concept of this program gave the President of the United States the authority to help any country whose defense was recognized as vital to his country. The Lend-Lease Act [2] (English Lend Lease Act) full name -" Law to provide protection United States ", (English An Act to Promote the Defense of the United States) adopted by the US Congress on March 11, 1941, provided the following conditions:

property transferred under Lend-Lease property remaining after the end of the war and suitable for civilian purposes will be paid in full or in part on the basis of long-term loans provided by the United States (mainly interest-free loans);
if the American side is interested, the undamaged and not lost technology and equipment should be returned after the war in the USA [3].

[RMT]

,,, Everyone had vegetable gardens ....
Not all of them had vegetable gardens. Chicken legs and "Great Wall" stew were the only meat on the table for many in those years.

[awdrgy]

Then we somehow did not believe that the disposal of nasty things is expensive in the west We thought that we were just being poisoned using the created situation Now it is clear that it was two in one

[Interlocutor]

For some reason you ignore the word "FREE"

[Arthur 85]

And this is, like, not so? Does everyone love us? .. No, of course, someone does, but the people at the head of state are very tough people, and if there is an opportunity to "bite" a weak neighbor, be sure - they will "bite".

[the Saint]

Quote: Arthur 85

if there is an opportunity to "bite" a weak neighbor, be sure - they will "bite".

Some neutral states, like Austria, Switzerland, Finland ..., live quietly and prosperously, and no one bites them. And if we are talking about their lack of "natural resources" like oil and gas, then they, as it turned out, are not particularly needed by anyone - except perhaps for nothing. And to buy for inexpensively will come out differently cheaper and more convenient than their conquest.

[awdrgy]

We will wait and see.Then it suddenly turned out that the ball is not endless and the bowels of the earth are bad luck, they are empty And they live quietly for a certain historical period after which a restless period will come, and with a XNUMX% probability, unlike Russia, where such a probability of course also exists, but much lower due to the presence on its territory the very resources that no one needs (especially dumping China))) well, or the United States with its nuclear energy (how is it with enrichment then? although it doesn't even matter in the absence of a resource)))

[halpat]

... Europeans killed all Indians, “they lynch blacks”, a huge number of homeless people, a high crime rate, there are other horror stories shooting in schools ...

And which of the above quote is not true?
What, not all the Indians were killed? Yes, a handful remained, on the reservations. It looks like the villages of homeless people or vagabonds. I have personally seen, traveled by car in Nevada and Arizona. I thought that the rusty dumps periodically appear 1-2 kilometers from the road. We drove up to one ... yolki ... this is an Indian settlement, and you won't suddenly call in there, not the Autobahn ... but a broken-down dirt track with remnants of asphalt in places ... it's still business.
Heard Museum in Phoenix. Monument to the European (White Americans - Former Europeans) genocide of the American Indian indigenous population.
Impression after visiting - as in the former concentration camp visited. Very heavy.

You can add from fresh: in Europe, heads are cut, right in the churches. trucks crush people and all that

[the Saint]

Quote: Halpat

What, not all the Indians were killed?

For the sake of general development, read about Baranov's art in Alaska and the Russian-Indian wars with the Tlingits.

[halpat]

Quote: el Santo

Quote: Halpat

What, not all the Indians were killed?

For the sake of general development, read about Baranov's art in Alaska and the Russian-Indian wars with the Tlingits.

Mass genocide was not practiced by the Russian Empire and Russians in general.
This is a well-known fact.
It is also common knowledge that EVERYTHING. European colonialists exterminated indigenous tribes all over the world, from the importation of smallpox-infected blankets to massacres and looting. The Americans, in particular, took Native American young children from their parents and placed them in boarding schools that looked more like prisons, and the parents were simply killed a little later. I myself read this, saw photographs, the XNUMXth century, drawings and crafts of these children. Heard Museum, Phoenix, Arizona. And the guides tell the story there.
And how did the British "have fun" in India or South Africa., Afghanistan and Sudan. Total robbery, concentration camps, executions of Hindus. Tying to a cannon and firing it, what could be better, right?
Concentration camps in South Africa - how else to calm down these Zulus, and the Boers (white)? Sir Winston Churchill described everything well and was personally involved in many events.
And the Belgians in the Congo? Whoa ...
Russians (Poyarkov, Khabarov, Baranov) are not suitable for the "average" European conqueror of new lands either because of greed or cruelty.
Something like that.

[the Saint]

In 1731, a detachment of Ataman Pavlutsky made a campaign from the Anadyr prison to the Bering Strait. This raid was successful, the Russians captured many deer and 300 Chukchi women, who were sent to Yakutsk in sleighs. But no more than a dozen captives arrived there, since all the rest committed suicide, not hoping to escape from the Russian fiends.
The Russian-Chukchi war lasted more than 150 years and ended ingloriously for Russia. The Chukchi won the fight against the forces of the Russian colonialists that were many times superior to them both quantitatively and qualitatively.

Vladimir Atlasov (1695) served as the Cossack head in Kamchatka. He is known for the fact that, using the Koryaks who are loyal to the Russians and the raids on them by the neighboring people - Kamchadals - as a pretext for war, he mercilessly robbed both of them. At the same time, his detachment almost did not suffer losses due to the high efficiency of the muskets of the latest model, which were specially allocated to the Cossacks from the Anadyr prison.
By now the Kamchadals, as a people, have disappeared.

On October 23, 1582, the Russians took Yermak by storm. The local residents, however, did not stop fighting for their independence, starting a fierce partisan war against the Russians. They recaptured Isker and destroyed most of Yermak's detachment (including himself), but the Russians, having received large reinforcements from Ivan the Terrible, several years later suppressed the last pockets of resistance.
The consequences of the Russian conquest were disastrous for the Siberian Tatars. By the end of the 16th century, 80% were physically destroyed or forced to leave their lands in Central Asia. Other peoples of the khanate (Ostyaks, Voguls, Samoyeds, Yugra), although they did not suffer such numerical losses, from now on were forced to pay yasak (tribute in furs) for their quiet life.

Semyon Dezhnev served as a collector of tribute from the Siberian peoples. Once (c. 1635), having collected tribute, most of the Cossacks with the plundered furs went to Yakutsk, and Dezhnev, along with the detachment, remained in the winter quarters. And everything would be fine, but he wanted to collect one more tribute (for himself and his people personally), which he did.
But the Yakuts did not like it, and they decided to recapture their property. Gathering a detachment, Prince Peleva tried to take the fortress by storm, but was forced to retreat. Prince Allay led the Yakuts (500 men) into a new attack. Dezhnev was wounded in the head, but Allay was also hit with a spear. Having lost their leader, the Yakuts panicked, and the Cossacks pounced on them and killed them ALL. Moreover, they then organized a punitive campaign against the villagers who were trying to return their property, and almost all of them (at least 3000 people) were exterminated.

Erofey Khabarov at his own expense gathered a small detachment and went on a campaign to the lands of the Amur peoples. Naturally, the local peoples (primarily the Daurs) did not greet the Russians with bread and salt, and even more so they did not want to accept Russian citizenship and pay tribute to the White Tsar. Khabarov stormed cities along the path of his detachment. The Daurian prince Gugudar especially desperately resisted the invaders: his soldiers fired at the Russians to the last, defending their city, which nevertheless fell, although Khabarov lost a quarter of the detachment under its walls.
The neighboring princes, frightened by the atrocities perpetrated by the Russians in the captured cities and towns, nevertheless decided to accept Russian citizenship.

You can add Ermolov's atrocities in the Caucasus.

[Arthur 85]

Where do you get such people? You write competently, school began to be, during the Soviet Union ... The Americans will come, and you will still be a junior scooper with them, just as you don’t beat yourself in the chest: “I’m mine, bourgeois”. At least based on these considerations, they would be silent in a rag.
Well, if you are, you never know, from Nezalezhala, or from other young democracies, then again, you exist as long as Russia exists, as a weapon against it. Then, as unnecessary, they will be thrown out.

[the Saint]

The mayor was targeted by the headman. Though not

Quote: Arthur 85

The americans will come

I want to become a mayor or a sheriff

[Arthur 85]

Ah ... Well, then of course. Career growth, there, all the cases. Gut. Zer gut. Milk, eggs ... If Poroshenko or Zelensky has a literary heritage (which, however, is unlikely), you can adopt advanced experience.

[the Saint]

Quote: Arthur 85

Gut. Zer gut.

Allright. Okay. Kip smiley.

[the Saint]

There were fifteen republics in the USSR, and fourteen of them have a dislike for the fifteenth. It is difficult to guess what degree of hostility is the highest, but the TV will helpfully prompt the main enemy for the current day.

[awdrgy]

Everything would be so, but here's the problem They often attacked us What to do with it? I don’t believe them. Once they attacked, it means bad guys, and abroad, their territory and unarmed, it’s better not to meddle there.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: el Santo

Stalin launched this term - "besieged fortress". Focusing on the fact that we are the only ones in the world to build a peaceful and happy life and capitalist predators are biting their teeth around our country. Therefore, it is necessary to militarize the economy, the population to unite in Voroshilov riflemen and OSOAVIAKHIM, bear huge military expenses, and the Red Army is the strongest of all.

In your opinion, Stalin was wrong in this?

Quote: el Santo

The “besieged fortress” syndrome, in fact, personifies three forms of hostility - the whole world is against us, no one loves us, everyone is afraid of us.
At the same time, there is a downside - an aggressively implanted fear abroad: the Europeans killed all the Indians, “they lynch blacks,” a huge number of homeless people, a high level of crime, and other horror stories are shooting in schools.

It can be said more simply, incipient fascism. The Stalinist USSR and today's Russia are two completely different states. States are antagonists.

[the Saint]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

In your opinion, Stalin was wrong in this?

In my opinion, not right. The USSR was expelled from the League of Nations (the prototype of the UN) precisely for its aggressive policy towards its neighbors and the war against Finland that it unreasonably waged.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: el Santo

In my opinion, not right. The USSR was expelled from the League of Nations (the prototype of the UN) precisely for its aggressive policy towards its neighbors and the war against Finland that it unreasonably waged.

In the League of Nations, there was no, and could not be, any other than hostile attitude towards the first Soviet state. The war with Finland, at that time, was necessary for the USSR, which was preparing for a war with Germany. However, this is a very broad topic, not for comment.

[the Saint]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The war with Finland, at that time, was necessary for the USSR, which was preparing for a war with Germany.

Having studied the war, which was extremely unsuccessful for the USSR (tenfold superiority in forces and tenfold losses relative to the Finns), Hitler concluded that the Red Army was completely non-combatant - "a colossus with feet of clay and without a head", which prompted him to attack in 1941.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

With this agreement, Russia not only prevented the invasion of the region by NATO forces led by the United States, but also allowed the parties to "save face" against the background of a possible military defeat of Armenia and the possible fall of Azerbaijan under the direct control of Turkey. Another plus for Russia is the deployment of Russian peacekeepers actually on the territory of Azerbaijan.

... If everything is so good, maybe the stones are flying in vain in Pashinyan? Maybe it was all conceived ..?

[Arthur 85]

God grant that everything was so, and the presence of our troops became a solid foundation for peace.

[vladimirvn]

HHP again! Only one ruble entrance, two exit.

[Trapp1st]

HHP again!

It's amazing, no matter what happens, there will be an expert (rabid) with foam from behind his mouth, proving that everything in the world or in his apartment is HPP!

[Lord of the Sith]

I said that the Yankees will not be in Karabakh, but they did not believe me))
Armenia saved its face before the inevitable defeat, Azerbaijan received a little territory, Russia extended its influence further to the Transcaucasus.
The rest go through the forest.
Profit))

[Kronos]

The Turks have strengthened their influence, and now their soldiers will also be peacekeepers there.

[NTD]

Quote: Kronos

The Turks have strengthened their influence, and now their soldiers will also be peacekeepers there.

Yes, there is, I just do not understand who is driving. Zakharova says that they will not, the Turks from the first days say that they signed with the Russian side about a memorandum on peacekeepers.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Yes, no one is driving ... all this little things ... Azerbaijan and Turkey in an embrace ...

[Vitaly161]

you read the text of the official 3-party agreement (Russia, Armenia, Azerbaijan does not smell like Turks) and these can say anything, they will not let them into the territory of NKR, the Turks are already present on the territory of Azerbaijan, and this is not news

[the Saint]

Turkey intends to send peacekeepers to Karabakh, against the wishes of the Kremlin.
The peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh will consist of the military of two countries - Russia and Turkey. This was announced on November 12 by the head of the Turkish Ministry of Defense Hulusi Akar, despite the Kremlin's denials.

[Horon]

Such statements about the strengthening of the Turks in Azerbaijan should have been made 30 years ago. The Turks have long been firmly entrenched there, now they have only given themselves an official status.

[Vitaly161]

there will be no Turkish peacekeepers in NKR !!! and let them dance on the territory of Azerbaijan, we don't give a shit

[Lord of the Sith]

Something the Turks are in no hurry to go there. I wonder why?
The Russians are unfolding with might and main.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has once again shown himself to be a good strategist.

Yeah. First I wasted Georgia, followed by Ukraine. Then he allowed Pashinyan to come to power in Armenia, with his frank anti-Russian policy. The same Aliyev, no longer knows where to kiss the Turks. Soon it will start in Moldova ...
Well at least Lukashenka has put things in relative order.
Well, so, of course, our Zeroed king strategist !!! All "cheated" by his strategic strategy and "cunning plan"!
Only already sick of his strategy and cunning plans! He sees nothing further than his own oil and gas purse.
You need to "deal" with your neighbors not after the election of anti-Russian presidents, but before these elections. And not to allow any Saakashvili, Poroshenko and Pashinyans to come to power in neighboring countries.
So there will be no need to bring in peacekeeping contingents and spend a lot of money on it.
No Armenians or Azerbaijanis will thank Russia for this. Never. And they will also blame Russia for this whole conflict.

[The popuas]

For me, he goes with the flow! As soon as it happens, he tries to turn the situation in his direction to the maximum ... but it turns out some half-measures, in limbo, no peace, no war ...

[Cottager452]

You can’t slap the vanquished if you don’t want to repeat history in the Compiegne Forest.

[Name Surname]

Some people like to represent the next failure of Russian diplomacy and the military as a victory.

[Nastia makarova]

because the runway cannot fail))))))))

[The popuas]

Runway strip...

[Dikson]

And why don't local experts remember how the past peacekeeping mission of Russia in Karabakh proceeded and how it ended? Losses - about 500 people wounded and killed .. Shooting in the back of the peacekeepers from both the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides, shelling of the houses where the families of our officers lived .. abandoned equipment during the withdrawal .. Why don't you remember? Do you think it's over? In Armenia, cries are already heard that it is necessary to "go and kill the traitor-peacemakers" .. There will be a lot of provocations. And I'm afraid it won't end with one turntable .. As for the trilateral agreements .. yeah .. and our defense minister ALREADY signed a memorandum on JOINT Russian-Turkish patrolling in Karabakh .. It may well be that we are talking about the presence of several Turkish officers in our patrols, or perhaps the Syrian option is envisaged, when two mechanized groups play catch-up, occasionally being blown up by landmines and losing high-ranking officers of our army in walks along the sidelines .. It would be naive to believe that our friend Erdogan will stop there.

[maktub]

All "beavers"! In my opinion, not everything is so rosy
The ally of the Russian Federation lost the war with a bang, lost territory, equipment, weapons
Local "aborigines" are hostile towards "peacekeepers"
As I understand it, the costs of the "mission" will fall on the "broad shoulders" of the Russian budget
Logistics is not clear
Turkey is firmly entrenched in the region + direct land communication with Azerbaijan
Now not only Russia and Iran will be the "big guys" in the region, but also Ankara

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: NDR-791

Meanwhile, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov opened a monument to his Alabai in the capital of Turkmenistan!
Already in two branches it was repeated word for word. Repetition is not always the mother of learning, sometimes it looks funny

Or a dog breed?

[opuonmed]

well that the Russian Federation is ready for provocations from the Turks ???????? I'm 100% sure there will be an attack, etc., and so on! not in vain did the Turks send their inhatebs there

[Alexander Kopychev]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has once again shown himself to be a good strategist. The signing of a trilateral agreement between Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia, where the latter acts as a guarantor, was kept secret until the very last moment and came as a surprise to many.

"A big secret for a little one,
For such a small company ... "
And the fact that two people washed themselves with blood once again is an ordinary cost?

[yfast]

A belt is great, but you need to keep your pants from falling.

[Gennady Fomkin]

In 1992-1993, servicemen of the 366th Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment and "Afghans" from all over the USSR fought in Nagorno-Karabakh for the money of the Armenian diaspora.

Moreover, out of 129 officers / warrant officers in the regiment there were 49 local Armenians + for a long time the military town of the regiment was fired upon + did not give a salary = some of the servicemen got involved in the war.

NOW the Armenians are fighting on their own, and this is subject to 30 years of preparation for such a war - these are the real results of the Armenians.

[yfast]

We will be squeezed out of the Caucasus, it's like EBN, a heroic raid into the void. And there they will put nearby missiles.

[Lexus]

Dreams Dreams. The sobering reality for some will return, as usual, unexpectedly.

[Kaw]

For the 4th time, Americans helped Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union and in the 90s. The adult generation knows such an expression as "Bush's Legs", these are chicken legs that were supplied from the United States to help Russians.

We bought these legs for our own money. I have never heard anywhere that they were given out for free