Alarmist ordered? .. (Poll)

331

Does the Iron Curtain fall on Russia?

Yes, the power does everything for this - 360 (11.33%)
11.33%
No, the image of Russia is artificially trying to make negative by hanging the old label - 2505 (78.82%)
78.82%
I can not give a definite answer - 258 (8.12%)
8.12%
Other, in the comments - 55 (1.73%)
1.73%
The ghost of neo-Stalinism walks around the country! Wai-wai-wai! Putin has returned to the presidency, and now he is trying to retain his power with Stalin’s methods! Wai-wai-wai! Freedom of speech is smothered with dirty hands by those in power! Wai-wai-wai! The West teaches us, and we, the ignoramuses, cannot learn the lessons ... Wai-wai-wai!

This is a summary of the main materials with which today's excessively democratic press is replete. If any person, having “walked” on the Internet, opens a dozen or two sites, then ultimately it will turn out that at least one of the above “people's fears” appears on most. At the same time, people whose mind is frankly clouded with such rampant alarming do not even always try to ask: but if freedom of speech is so strangled and Stalinism has cleared up in full, then why are these materials so actively filling the Global Network as the forest is filled with mushrooms after the rain?

The answer here is simple: it's all about the typical laws of the psychology of managing large groups of people. Human psychology is arranged in such a way that it will react much more actively to sharp and ambiguous stimuli than to more calmly presented information. This psychological dominant sometimes comes to frightening manifestations when, on the one hand, there are shouts “Everything is gone - you have to dig a hole and dig deep!”, And on the other hand, it’s suggested “To urgently dig up the first ones and dig them in by yourself in the specially designated places” .

There are plenty of examples in our country today of frank alarmism, which obviously aims at nurturing the unhealthy psychological state of society. And, to be honest, here, people who identify themselves with the government, and the opposition can even find points of contact, trying to achieve completely opposite results. You do not need to think that this is purely political issues. After all, we have, in fact, any question, even if it is a poor harvest of cucumbers in a single plot or an upset stomach in a giraffe at the zoo, can be put into a political plane with surprising ease.



Cucumbers are not ugly - it is necessary to look for the guilty in Roskosmos, whose spacecraft when they entered (or rather absenteeism) into orbit, they shed something on the dacha.

The giraffe rumbling in the stomach-this is exactly Putin's fault. Who else ??? Only the anti-popular laws of his party brought the poor animal to such a life ... But after all, a giraffe would run along the savannas, a progressive oppositionist (like Eduard Limonov) would sit in power - everything would be completely different ...

Why are there savannas and summer cottages. Here is a very recent and more, let's say, a tangible example - the London Olympics. If you remember what words only sounded to the address of our Olympic team in the first days of sports competitions ... They say this is a great failure of the entire national sport. Medals from Russia, they say, if they win, then only Dagestan judoists.
At the same time, the same people declare that Russian society today more than ever needs to consolidate. So let me? And representatives of Dagestan have no right to be called Russian citizens, or what? Or the gold medal of the Somali runner, who received a British passport, is more expensive than the medals won by Dagestan athletes ...

Runet, savoring the failures of Russian athletes, blunted with loud headlines. “Go ahead,” and “Putin is to blame for the failure of the national team!” And this is the most innocuous thing that could be read about our athletes and those who, it seems, were responsible for their preparation. And in the arguments about the failures that pursued the Russian team, most often hit those who recently had the longest running distance was the distance from the refrigerator to the TV with an open bottle of beer and a hamburger (or shawarma) ...

However, the farther the Olympics went, the less was the ability of the notepad alarmists to demonstrate their skills to tune the public to the utter negative. 82 medals, of which 24 "gold" - is the result that surpassed Beijing, and at the same time forced to reduce the turnover of persons eager for revelations. But still there were voices that, well, they say, before our country could win both 40 and 50 gold awards. Well, then the country was called differently ...

By the way, if you sum up all the awards that athletes from the republics of the former USSR have won, then you will have as many as more 160 awards, of which 47 are gold ...

This time, the alarmist had to correct their positions, take the "horsemen of the Apocalypse" back to retraining, and wait for new opportunities to deliver their blow in the style of "Everything is lost!" The slogans that the Kremlin was to blame for the "failure" of the Olympians of Russia had to roll up and put in long black tubes, so as not to fade before the Sochi Olympics - you suddenly need to turn them back ...

In addition to the Olympic example, there are others. What is worth at least a "reprisal with individuals disagreeable to the authorities." Under these "undesirable" put up "the main adherents of the Russian democracy" - now the "world-wide" famous punk band, consisting of three clearly under-examined girls (and not that absolutely girls ...)

Although in this case it is worth recognizing, the authorities themselves decided not to lag behind the ardent opposition-alarmists - they simply gave an excellent excuse for the latter to use all their talent to show "progressive humanity" how the "Kremlin stifles free speech." Well, if freedom of speech has become perceived in the form of excesses against the background of Christian shrines - then, of course ... After all, there is no point in arguing with supporters of such a “freedom of speech”. If in the US, mad priests burn the Koran with the exposure of the entire Muslim world, this does not mean that other countries of the world should strive for such democratic “freedoms”.

The trial of PR, and PR itself, today turned into a mockery of religion, and a mockery of jurisprudence. If we are guided by the precepts of our ancestors, then for these girls it would be enough to have five biting blows from the “all-forgiving” whip of a church guard - so that the faith in the girls would be strengthened, and others would not be attracted to the “adventure” in the temple ”. You look, and the judge would not have to sweat at the trial, the paper would have been saved by the prosecutor’s office, and the Russian people would have been spared from contemplating the bony backs of some pop singers with “democratic inscriptions”. Well, now everyone needs to bring the matter to the end, so they exercise who is ready for anything.

The next idea of ​​alarmists: the iron curtain is falling on the borders of Russia. Some NGOs have received or will soon receive the status of foreign agents, an article has been introduced for slander, some have even fled abroad, having grasped, of course, millions earned by honest and overworking. And many supported the idea: “Exactly! Curtain falls! We need to run somewhere, do something! Maybe inquiries about how Lyudmila Alekseeva and her closest associates ran back and forth in due time ... "

Some publications even refer to the words of Sergey Stepashin, who, they say, said that in the last three years 1,25 had emigrated a million people from Russia. At the same time, all these people who left are completely businessmen and middle-class representatives ... And where so many businessmen stretched themselves — entire hordes — like locusts ...

True, VTsIOM, for some reason, has completely different numbers: every year, no more than 45 thousand people abroad decrease from Russia for permanent residence abroad. It returns even more ... If you multiply this number (45 thousand) by three (years), then you need to allow a very large approximation to reach 1 million and 250 thousand emigrants. The same VTsIOM provides materials according to which the number of those who do not want to leave Russia in the same three years has grown to 88-89%. Back in 2009, this figure was no more than 75%.

All these facts only confirm the idea that “mass psychosis” is a complicated thing. Not every person, when shouting “Fire!”, Has enough psychological strength and reason to look around and realize that there is simply a written alarmist in the crowd who has his own task. In the meantime, many of us will not have such forces, for a long time we will succumb to primitive provocation and blame the Kremlin, the ROC, the bloodthirsty aliens for the fact that our milk ran away ...
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  1. vladimir70
    -90
    14 August 2012 08: 56
    Putin and his company, in my opinion, began to understand that just grabbing and hauling offshore - everything will be like in Libya and similar countries ........ It seems like they are trying to restore their defense capabilities (primarily to protect themselves loved ones ), but that would be considered with Russia it is necessary to deal with and make more efforts. But I doubt that he and his company used to grab and share are able to work am
    1. thatupac
      -47
      14 August 2012 09: 33
      If those in power want to hit the road, then they hit the road. The army here is secondary. And all of the city, but what happens then in the country will have to be raked not by them, but by you and me.
      1. Lapaev mihail
        +20
        14 August 2012 11: 12
        yes something like this Gorbachev the true patriot of the country, by the way, who was awarded by whom he forgot with us ?? ! so this respected man is a true patriot)) where does he live ?? current does not spit on the army but on all the people in the compartment ....
        1. -14
          14 August 2012 13: 10
          The whole of today's situation reminds me of what was described in one dok.film. Look do not be lazy:
          http://youtu.be/oOweoPgUr2M
        2. ViPChe
          0
          20 August 2012 22: 25
          And I wonder who had the most raped: Gorbachev with Nobel or Luzhkov with his wife ??? laughing
      2. -4
        14 August 2012 17: 18
        those in power do not hit the road because they know that a war will begin they will be ripped off and it’s good if they do not crash. The loot that they stole and exported can only be used in peacetime .....
      3. teplal
        +8
        14 August 2012 22: 58
        * (Such a nihrenasik, Russia at 90 I didn’t die! And with Putin you don’t have any light !!!!
      4. speedy
        +5
        14 August 2012 23: 08
        Here they are, darlings: vladimir70,
        thatupac, painted - and laughter, and sin laughing
        1. Odinplys
          +5
          15 August 2012 15: 37
          Quote: short-term
          Here they are, darlings: vladimir70,
          thatupac, painted - and laughter, and sin


          I support you ... And shame and shame ...
        2. -4
          17 August 2012 21: 48
          passing UA "Here they are darlings: vladimir70, thatupac, ...."
          But these "darlings" told the TRUTH, but you are the so-called majority, you minus them ?! I wonder why? For what they told the TRUTH! The one that just doesn't reach you! I will give a very simple example concerning the opinion of the "majority". At one time, all "normal" people, that is, the majority, perfectly "knew" that the earth is flat and rests on three whales, and the sun revolves around it !!! But then there was such an eccentric Copernicus, and after him and Bruno, who for these and not only beliefs was burned at the stake, which began to assert something completely different ?! Well, where is this "majority" now, and who was right ?! You need to think about the HEAD, if it has brains, and not a back seat! I expressed similar thoughts in other places, and they did not put any minuses to me there! What has changed? You can also "minus" me, but think about my words and re-read what these comrades have written - try to think about it and understand what it is all the same ... I am also Russian and I love my Motherland - RUSSIA, and who doubts this, I invite you to visit my literary page on poetry.ru here is the address http://stihi.ru/avtor/alexdol
          1. tsvyd
            +1
            19 August 2012 15: 12
            you have a little misconception about how it is worth taking the truth.
            a person, in essence, must first arrange his life and it is worth listening to screams about the TRUTH only from such people.
            but here’s the paradox - such people don’t blow the TRUTH - they calmly and deliberately discuss, and even that with reluctance.
            TRUTH, friends, are most often spoken by people who are trying to assert themselves against the background of this TRUTH, having no other opportunity to express themselves, but experiencing an urgent need for it.
            1. vladimir70
              0
              18 September 2012 06: 09
              Truth - a relative concept, each has its own truth as well as its own life ......
              And the TRUTH - I am no longer at that age to "try to assert myself against the background of this TRUTH" In my commentary, I simply stated my view of what the author writes about ..... And I do not take offense at the minuses, since I am more pleased with their pluses not enough too wink
    2. +83
      14 August 2012 09: 37
      Judging by the democratic press, the main heroes of the country are the participants in Pussy Riot. To paraphrase a well-known saying, we can say:
      tell who your hero is and I will say who you are.
      How can you relate to people or orgonization whose heroes are the close-up hooligan girls of dubious behavior?
      1. Perch_xnumx
        +71
        14 August 2012 10: 13
        I suggest that Pussy Riot climb onto the statue of liberty, or at Arlington Cemetery and in public we .... be there. And then let the west of unfortunate orphans forgive and let go.
        1. Lapaev mihail
          +11
          14 August 2012 11: 16
          why did you take on the sick, they did it where you did from your stupidity, I don’t understand the patriarch at all studied in a Bible school the word of God I know very well, and I can’t understand it can’t be an example, but everything turned out as always, overgrown with luxury and power .... eh ..
          1. +3
            14 August 2012 12: 08
            Lapaev mihail,

            didn’t they study at a bible school about a bitch in his brother’s eye?
            Well, yes, what kind of brother is he ... After all, we studied at a biblical school, and not on a Sunday ... Then take a look at your brothers, where they go, where they live.
            1. Lapaev mihail
              +1
              14 August 2012 12: 40
              On the whole, the Bible agrees with you and teaches that we are sinful by nature from birth, therefore Jesus came to the world as a payment for sin according to the law of God, a payment sin, death, Jesus was the lamb (sacrifice) that we accept when we repent, and when we make it, we make a covenant with an error , but not everyone can resist the temptation that Satan then gives, and if a person leaves the world again, the seven worst ones will be removed, so it’s a great responsibility to be a shepherd, because the blind shepherd cannot lead the flock .... Peter renounced Jesus three times, and this the stone on which Jesus erected his church, but not all brides of Christ will have oil in the lamps (church), but every person is given to repent and begin a righteous life ... in general, we are all not without sin, especially since people where there is just a sea of ​​temptations and temptations, then even God's people forget that here we are only guests and eternity is only in front ...
          2. +9
            14 August 2012 12: 31
            Quote: Lapaev Mihail
            but everything turned out as always, overgrown with luxury and power .... eh ..


            The Lord gave the Russian Orthodox Church the year 17 for a reason, the church passed the test of fire and sword, whether another test will pass, depends on all
            1. +8
              14 August 2012 13: 58
              Vadivak:
              The ministers of the church are mortal people with the same weaknesses as ours ... Try for at least one day not to not sin, but even mentally not to allow sin ... If you try, you will understand them!
              1. Beck
                -20
                14 August 2012 20: 45
                Vadivaku. Lapaev. In a bargain. Baron and interested.

                People.

                “If Jesus is the Messiah, then where is Elijah?”

                Jesus

                “And if you want to accept, he is Elijah, to whom he must come.” (i.e. John)
                Chapter 11, verse 14. From Matthew.

                Jewish priests to John in the Jordan

                - And they asked him: what? Are you Elijah? He said: NO. Prophet? He answered: no.
                Chapter 1, verse 21. From John.

                - They told him: who are you? To give us an answer to those who sent us: what do you say about yourself?
                Chapter 1, verse 22. From John.

                - He said: I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness: correct the way of the Lord, as the prophet Isaiah said.
                Chapter 1, verse 23. From John.

                In jordan

                - John, holding on to Him, said: I need to be baptized from You, and Do you come to me?
                Chapter 3, verse 14. The Gospel of Matthew.

                John in prison sends disciples.

                - John, hearing in prison about the works of Christ, sent two of his disciples.
                Chapter 11. Verse 2. From Matthew.

                - Tell Him: Are you the One who should come, or expect us another?
                Chapter 11, verses 2, 3. From Matthew.

                John to the people

                “I baptize you with water, but the Strongest of me is coming, Whose I am not worthy to untie my shoe belt;” He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and FIRE;
                Chapter 3, verse 16. From Luke.

                Now comes out. Elijah did not appear and did not point to the Lord. Jesus is self-nominated. Would God be baptized now would not be water, but fire. The gospel does not meet the Scriptures. The church is not legitimate. Pussy's blasphemy hangs in the air.
                1. Oleg Rosskiyy
                  +14
                  14 August 2012 21: 32
                  Quote: Beck
                  The church is not legitimate.

                  You’ll tell us about the legitimacy of the Muslims about Karan, and there we’ll see how you feel, if of course after that you will feel something, otherwise you will attack the pro-Orthodox. Orthodox Christians will endure everything, something, and they have patience do not borrow.
                  1. Beck
                    -12
                    14 August 2012 21: 57
                    Oleg Rossky.

                    I tell you.
                    Muhammad also took almost everything from Judaism, added his own and called it his faith.
                    Some Islamic scholars have found justification for being a prophet to Muhammad in a scripture passage.

                    “I will bring them a Prophet from among their BROTHERS such as you, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything that I will command.”
                    Chapter 18, verse 18. Deuteronomy. Book of Moses.

                    But here we are talking about the tribe of the Levites of the Jewish people who carried temple service. And the Hebrew God Yahweh tells Moses about the Levites, that he will nominate the next prophet from the Levites, and not from the Arabs of Arabia.

                    Muhammad acted much ruder than Jesus. If Jesus still somehow disguised himself as Judaism, using it for his exaltation. That Muhammad simply appropriated the religion of the Jews to himself. The Messenger of Allah took EVERYTHING from Judaism and conveyed it inaccurately, as he remembered, adding his own, today primitive, reasoning. He took the history of creation, scripture, prophets, saints, paradise, hell. Hebrew names translated into Arabic pronunciation. Moses became Musa, Abraham - Ibrahim, Solomon - Suleiman, Jesus - Isa, Lot - Loot, Noah - Nuh, etc. The time of the holy Saturday, Muhammad, rescheduled for the time of the holy Friday. He adopted the rites of Judaism - circumcision of the foreskin, not recognition of pork for meat, stoning as execution, a ban on images. Muhammad placed the last ban under the strictest control. And he was followed, so eagerly adhered to this postulate that Muslims lack one of the brightest facets of human self-expression - a reflection of the beautiful. No sculptures. There is no art. In the end, Muhammad called himself the last of the prophets of Judaism and affirmed for his followers the postulate that after him there would be no more prophets. And now you need to pray only to Allah and submit only to Muhammad personally.

                    I do not recognize such a god because the following postulate does not correspond to the human concept of good.

                    SURAH 32.
                    Ayat 13.

                    And if We wanted it,
                    We would lead every soul in a direct way,
                    But My word is invariable.
                    “I will fill Hell with people and genies - all together,

                    If Allah can, and nothing can interfere with him, lead all people in a direct way, but he does not do this, but fills hell with people. That, for me, is not the god who does good.
                    1. speedy
                      +5
                      14 August 2012 23: 19
                      Beck got lost in three pines, go to Sunday school, there every schoolboy will explain your perplexities to you, and you will not look stupid. Accept without resentment, like good advice.
                      1. Beck
                        -8
                        15 August 2012 09: 51
                        Slowly moving.

                        You did not say anything offensive. Therefore, what offenses may be.
                        When I was looking for God, I first went to temples. I listened to both priests and the mule. They spoke beautifully, foldingly, confidently, convincingly. The only question was what to choose Islam or Christianity. And I decided to read the source. After reading, my soul was embarrassed by both. Both the Gospel and the Qur'an turned out to be contradictory in their own chapters and verses. It turns out that priests and mules spoke only moments favorable to churches. And they hushed up, bypassed the far side of those moments that are drug-free, inhumane, merciless. Both churches adapted the foundations of their buildings to Scripture, while distorting the provisions of Scripture itself. The Scriptures did not authorize the Prophets of the Scriptures of either Jesus or Muhammad to prophesy, messianism, or plan.

                        And the four Gospels about the same verb in different ways contradict each other in many ways. If the church wants the souls of people, then let it lead all four Gospels to the one, to the true, not contradictory.

                        When I persistently, after reading the holy books, I asked the priests and mullahs questions about non-compliance. Something like that posted in comments. They were confused, carried all kinds of nonsense, in the end they quietly sent me, in the future, to the underworld
                      2. -1
                        15 August 2012 12: 10
                        Quote: Beck
                        If the church wants the souls of people, then let it lead all four Gospels to the one, to the true, not contradictory


                        Neither the church nor God needs our souls. Out of love for people, the Lord gives us the opportunity to see and love the truth: "I am the way and the truth and the life."
                        Without love you will not find God, and do not seek.
                      3. Beck
                        -6
                        15 August 2012 12: 55
                        In a bargain.

                        I was looking for what God said about love. Love for me is an innate feeling of love for the one who gave life, to mother. This potion of love is transferred from the mother to the rest. And what he found in the gospels.

                        - And anyone who leaves houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or land, for My name’s sake, will receive a hundred times and inherit eternal life.
                        Chapter 19, verse 29. From Matthew.
                        How can one hundred aunts replace one single Foundation of the existence of each of us.

                        - Whoever loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and whoever loves a son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
                        Chapter 10, verse 37. From Matthew.
                        Do you love god more than your mother?

                        - Do not think that I have come to bring PEACE to the earth; not the world I came to bring, but the SWORD.
                        Chapter 10, verse 34. From Matthew.

                        - Do you think that I have come to give PEACE to the earth? No, I tell you, but separation.
                        Chapter 12, verse 51. From Luke.

                        - For I came to divide a man with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law.
                        Chapter 10, verse 35. From Matthew.

                        And where is the love here. Here is the sword instead of peace, here is the separation of people, here is the opposition of the closest to each other.
                      4. +4
                        16 August 2012 11: 12
                        Quote: Beck
                        Love for me is an innate feeling of love for the one who gave life, to mother. This potion of love is transferred from the mother to the rest. And what he found in the gospels.


                        Again, everything turned upside down. Return to the main Christian commandments.
                        Here we are talking about the choice. Yes, if you love God less than a person, then what can you expect in return?
                        I am deeply convinced that you are not looking for God, you are looking for where you can cling to any phrase in order to at least slightly ease your heavy burden of unbelief. So you have like-minded people, communicate with them. I do not understand your desire to reassure people of at least some believers. This smells of sulfur, from the evil one such aspirations, believe me.
                      5. from Kiev
                        +1
                        17 August 2012 02: 08
                        Looking in vain for God (truth) by comparing texts and looking for inconsistencies - living people wrote books, and they tend to make mistakes. Better look for god in ideas. Almost all world religions proclaim morality the highest value: - do not kill, do not steal, love your neighbor ... Morality is what really is worth following.
                      6. Beck
                        -3
                        17 August 2012 08: 43
                        From Kiev.

                        Morality, humanity are purely human forms. They have always been with us. These are not religious gifts to people. Even before the development of the mind, they were laid by nature in all higher living things. A ram is a ram, a wolf of a wolf, a mouse, a mouse for no reason. Here you are - do not kill. In addition to ruminants, try to take food from the fox, from the lion, from the wolverine, here you are - do not steal. Try to pick up the mare from the stallion, the wolf from the wolf, here you are - do not commit adultery. The love of any animal for its young and self-awareness in a pack, herd, is love for your neighbor.
                      7. s1н7т
                        0
                        15 August 2012 18: 23
                        clinic. The fog is impenetrable in my head.
                      8. s1н7т
                        -4
                        15 August 2012 18: 21
                        Beck, do not roll the beads, do not understand, wretched!
                      9. Beck
                        -4
                        15 August 2012 18: 47
                        s1н7т

                        They don’t understand, but they can think it over. I'm not for hostility, for discussion.
                    2. Oleg Rosskiyy
                      +1
                      15 August 2012 22: 39
                      Beck,
                      About legitimacy did not answer.
                    3. tsvyd
                      +1
                      19 August 2012 15: 19
                      the whole point is not whether the church is legally entitled to punish desecration of its shrines - and whether the state needs to listen to the opinion of the church on this issue.
                      the matter is completely different - the matter is the custom and way of life of Russia, which publicly defiled the whole country.

                      Roughly speaking, they told you a shit under the door, because this porch annoys young hooligans by the fact that they are constantly being chased and not allowed to smoke and burn buttons in this porch.
                      and your door was chosen for the action simply because it is covered in expensive dermantine.

                      the stench on the whole porch, you are in shock, the neighbors jump over the pile and curse the hooligans all over the house,
                      1. ViPChe
                        0
                        20 August 2012 22: 39
                        And 90% of the tenants are glad that this happened not to them, and they deeply do not care about your grief. 10% gather at the entrance and break the spears "For" and "Against" until the morning, decide: "Who is to blame?" And there is a house manager who cannot deliver an intercom with a code or an elementary access control system for six months, although he tearfully promised. And as for hooligans, it is necessary to prevent and foresee, and not to make out of everyday life processes that increase their size to an inflated elephant. We wanted the best. but it turned out as always. Sloppy and on the verge of a legal foul. This indicates a lack of readiness to meet in a civilized way the elementary manifestations of any kind of opposition to the authorities. Yes, punish! Yes, according to the full scheme! But why such a PR hooligan? This is not clear, as it seems to me, to almost everyone interested.
                      2. tsvyd
                        0
                        20 August 2012 22: 44
                        I meant the spiritual life of the country and its way of life, and not a direct analogy.
                        shamed all tenants with this bunch.
                        in the physical sense - someone will even rejoice at the heap under your door and what you have described becomes relevant, but I'm not talking about that
                2. +3
                  15 August 2012 11: 57
                  Quote: Beck
                  If Jesus is the Messiah, then where is Elijah?


                  Cheap provocation of a person who did not even bother to get deeper familiar with the topic.
                  Matthew chapter 11:
                  “John, hearing in prison about the works of Christ, sent two of his disciples to say to Him: Are you the one who should come, or are we expecting something else?
                  And Jesus answered them: go, tell John what you hear and see: the blind see and the lame walk, the lepers clear and the deaf hear, the dead are resurrected and the poor evangelized; and blessed are he who is not offended by Me.
                  When they went, Jesus began to tell the people about John: what did you go to the desert to watch? a reed shaken by the wind?
                  ...
                  What did you go to see? the prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet.
                  For he is the one about whom it is written: Behold, I send my angel before your face, who will prepare your way before you.
                  Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
                  From the days of John the Baptist to this day, the Kingdom of Heaven is taken by force, and those who use it delight him, for all the prophets and the law have prophesied before John.
                  And if you want to accept, he is Elijah, who must come.
                  Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear! "

                  Matthew chapter 17:
                  "And His disciples asked Him, How then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first? Jesus answered and said to them: True, Elijah must come first and arrange everything; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and did not recognize him, but acted with him as they wanted; so the Son of Man will suffer from them. Then the disciples understood that He was telling them about John the Baptist. "
                  1. Beck
                    -6
                    15 August 2012 12: 30
                    Flood.

                    Well, well, almost what’s wrong, so immediately a provocation.

                    You yourself say that while in prison, John sends to know whether he is THAT.
                    But before that, John baptized Jesus in Jordan as God. He already knew there that Jesus was God, why send and ask if he was THAT. Now, if John did not know when he baptized that Jesus is God, then it would be possible to send disciples and ask. This is the discrepancy in the gospels.

                    Who was Elijah? Without Elijah, there is no messiah. Only Elijah should point to the messiah. Jesus sends everyone to the dead John. Like he is Elijah. That is, John and Elijah are one face. But even at the beginning of the activity of John, on the Jordan, the Jewish priests ask John. Are you Elijah? Are you a prophet? That John firmly answered NO. I am not Elijah and not a prophet.
                    And this is a mismatch in the gospels. And the main discrepancy .. If the priests of Christianity rely on Scripture as the basis of the divine appearance of Jesus, then they should not hide the main thing.

                    Well, in the Gospels of Elijah, there is no God who appears from the bosom and indicates the messiah. John is only a herald; he is not Elijah.

                    The priests could not explain this to me, they became entangled in their scholasticism.
                    You are also somewhat confused. Well, find the true Elijah in the Gospels.
                    That's when the priests will reduce everything to the one, the true, then there will be no questions.

                    And one more discrepancy. John says that the strongest is coming, for whom he is not worthy to tie a belt. Priests by this strongest mean Jesus. But then John says, “I will baptize you with water, and the strongest will baptize you with holy fire.” If Jesus is the strongest of which he baptized with water and not fire. And now the priests do not baptize with fire but with water.
                    1. 0
                      15 August 2012 14: 55
                      "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord" (Book of the Prophet Malachi)
                      It says that Elijah will precede the Second Coming of Jesus to Earth.

                      Even before the conception of John the Baptist, Archangel Gabriel appeared to his father Zacharias, foreshadowing the birth of his son and his great mission.
                      "He will go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to restore the hearts of the fathers to children, and to the rebellious minds of the righteous, in order to present to the Lord a prepared people" (Gospel of Luke, chapter 1, verse 17)

                      "And this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him: who are you?
                      He declared, and did not deny, and declared that I am not Christ.
                      And they asked him: what then? are you Elijah? He said no. Prophet? He answered: no. "(Gospel of John, chapter 1, verses 19-21)

                      The Jews asked about Elijah prior to the Last Coming of the Messiah. John, answered no, he is not that Elijah.

                      Quote: Beck
                      But then John says, “I will baptize you with water, and the strongest will baptize you with holy fire.” If Jesus is the strongest of which he baptized with water and not fire.

                      Jesus did not baptize anyone. It's more about Last Judgment (Doomsday)
                      "I baptize you in water for repentance, but He who follows me is stronger than me; I am not worthy to bear His shoes; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire; His shovel is in His hand, and He will cleanse His threshing floor and gather His wheat into the barn, and he will burn up the straw with an unquenchable fire "(Gospel of Matthew, chapter 3, verses 11-12)
                      1. Beck
                        -3
                        15 August 2012 19: 43
                        In a flood.

                        I did not read Malachi. But then why the contradictions. That Elijah must come out of the bosom of God and point to the messiah. He, as the second time should appear at the second coming? Archangel Gabriel whom he foreshadowed the birth of John or Elijah. So after all, it was not Elijah who was born, but John. Yes, and Elijah should not appear from a woman but from the bosom of God. Again nonsense. Where are the words of the gospel that the Jewish priests asked about Elijah the forerunner of the Court. These are your words. That's how the meanings are adjusted.
                        Okay, Jesus didn’t baptize. So he is not the strongest of the words of John. And where is the strongest who baptizes with holy fire.
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2012 20: 25
                        Quote: Beck
                        He, as the second time should appear at the second coming? Archangel Gabriel whom he foreshadowed the birth of John or Elijah.

                        The archangel commanded Zechariah to name his son John.
                        Quote: Beck
                        And where is the strongest who baptizes with holy fire.

                        Jesus is coming in all his glory. is he will to baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire.
                        Do you understand? Difference in time.
                    2. Slipfar
                      +3
                      15 August 2012 15: 40
                      Beck, you wrote:
                      "When I persist after reading the sacred books"
                      Beck, you didn’t even try to read them carefully, judging by what,
                      Sorry, you crap sometimes. Such a person cannot write, okay
                      familiar with the text.

                      You claim that John did not directly point to Jesus as the Messiah, however:
                      11. I baptize you in water for repentance, but He who comes after me is stronger than me; I do not
                      worthy to bear His shoes; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire;
                      12. His shovel is in His hand, and He will cleanse His threshing floor and gather His wheat in
                      granary, and the straw will burn with unquenchable fire.
                      13. Then Jesus comes from Galilee to the Jordan to John to be baptized from him.
                      14. John restrained Him and said: I need to be baptized from You, and You
                      do you come to me?
                      15. But Jesus answered him: Leave now, for it is so with us.
                      to fulfill all truth. Then John admits Him.
                      16. And, being baptized, Jesus immediately went out of the water, and behold, they were opened to Him.
                      heaven, and John saw the Spirit of God, who went down like a dove, and fell upon Him.
                      17. And behold, a voice from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
                      (St. Matthew's Gospel 3: 11-17)
                      You want to say, DON’T notice when you read?

                      About the baptism "with the Holy Spirit and fire", about fire we read from the Acts of the Apostles:
                      1. At the time of Pentecost, they were all unanimously united.
                      2. And suddenly a noise came from heaven, as if from a rushing strong wind, and
                      filled the whole house where they were.
                      3. And there appeared to them the divided tongues, as if FIRE, and rested one on each of them.
                      4. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak in other languages, like the Spirit
                      gave them a whisper.
                      (Acts 2: 1-4)
                      Also, tell me, did not notice this text?
                      1. 0
                        15 August 2012 15: 51
                        Bulk and Slipfar. Beck and many others do not understand what is clear even to Christian infants. Why, one asks? A person wants to understand, but cannot, only gets more tangled. The reason is simple, the Lord reveals secrets to HIM! Beck is not his, that he does not understand.
                    3. Slipfar
                      +2
                      15 August 2012 15: 51
                      You quoted the phrase: "Do not think that I came to bring PEACE to earth; I did not come to bring peace, but the SWORD."
                      This will be the third proof of your ignorance, sorry.
                      Let's see the text above:
                      17. Beware of the people: for they will give you to the courts and
                      their synagogues will beat you, 18. and they will lead you to the rulers and kings for Me, for a testimony before them and the Gentiles. 19. When they will betray you, do not care how or what to say; for at that hour it will be given to you what to say, 20. for you will not speak, but the Spirit of your Father will speak in you. 21. And the brother of the brother shall be put to death, and the father shall be the son; and the children will rise up against their parents, and put them to death; 22. And you will be HATE ALL for My name; the one who endures is saved to the end.
                      (Matthew 10: 17-22)
                      As you can easily guess, the moral law that contains Christianity will confuse sinful people who will lead to Christians of EXTRUSION with their high positions.
                      34. Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; not peace come I
                      bring, but a sword, 35. for I have come to divide a man with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law. 36. And the enemies of man are his household. (10: 34-36)
                      It is easy to guess, if READ CAREFULLY, love for parents should not be higher than love for God, because if the parents are pagans, then their love for them is higher than for God, they will mean the fulfillment of paganism. It is about independence in the views of parents, which can prevent a Christian from living his religion, and even kill his Christian children for their views.
                      1. Beck
                        -3
                        15 August 2012 19: 18
                        Slipfaru. Uncle. In a flood.

                        Guys. Something began to heat up. I am not for standing up. Whoever believes is blessed. Who does not believe is asking questions. First, I am not against Orthodoxy, Christianity, or Islam. But even in paganism I do not see bad things. I began my search for God with the following.

                        I turned to my heart in order to learn, explore and find wisdom and reason, and to know the wickedness of stupidity, ignorance and madness.

                        Ecclesiastes.
                        Chapter 7 verse 25. Old Testament.


                        For me personally, the abstracted concept of God is associated with an all-encompassing, complete ABSOLUTE. ABSOLUTE, who knows EVERYTHING - existing and bearing. Absolute knowing everything BEFORE and knowing everything AFTER. Therefore, God is wholly omniscient, and from here is unlimited ALMIGHTY. And only for this reason God cannot desire anything. Absolute KNOWLEDGE quenches KNOWLEDGE. ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE cannot have the boundaries of the UNKNOWLEDGE.

                        God does not need your sufferings, for he already knows their END.
                        God does not need your PRAYERS, for he already knows the ANSWER to them.
                        God does not need your PURPOSES, for he already knows their RESULT.
                        God does not need your REPENTANCE, for he already knows the subsequent Thoughts.
                        God does not need your LIFE, for he already knows your DEATH.
                        In CONCLUSION, I sincerely confess - I, too, HOLY BELIEVE.
                        I believe in the ONE, and not the only.
                        EVERYTHING KNOWLEDGE, NOT ALL-Knowing
                        EVERYTHING MIGHTY, NOT ALMIGHTY.
                        Which in every one of us.
                        I BELIEVE IN HUMAN MIND !!!

                        Let us listen to the true words of Ecclesiastes, son of David, king of Jerusalem, the sage of man.

                        All that your hand can do
                        do according to your strength; because
                        what's in the grave wherever you go
                        no work, no thinking
                        neither knowledge nor wisdom.

                        Ecclesiastes. Chapter 9, verse 10. Old Testament.


                        And there is no god, no Satan, no heaven, no hell. Only dust and only decay. And only the eternal silence of consciousness

                        MIND.
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2012 20: 06
                        Quote: Beck
                        And there is no god, no Satan, no heaven, no hell. Only dust and only decay. And only the eternal silence of consciousness
                        This is nirvana. From the point of view of Christians - one of the circles of hell.
                        But seriously, God has a name. Christians are called them, you do not call him anything. Satan has the tactic to pretend that he does not exist.
                      3. Beck
                        -4
                        15 August 2012 20: 16
                        Uncle.

                        Respected. I meant god as such. And for me there is no difference - he is a Christian, or Muslim. Both came up with Paradise for seduction. Hell to hold on to your souls.
                      4. +2
                        16 August 2012 17: 42
                        God is - the Most Holy Trinity! God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. And if you want to know God and the Truth, first believe in God, and then he will enlighten. And now you just carry the sectarian message. The Orthodox Church was founded 2000 years ago by our Lord Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church fell away from the ecumenical in the 11th century. Protestant - from the Catholic. Then the sects went ... and each sect carries its own, far removed from the Truth. Wandering around the bush gives nothing useful. One doom. Think it over.
                      5. 0
                        16 August 2012 17: 35
                        That's right. Satan convinced the world in the 19th century that it did not exist, and in the 20th century that there was no afterlife.
                      6. 0
                        16 August 2012 17: 33
                        what sect do you belong to?
                3. s1н7т
                  -2
                  15 August 2012 18: 14
                  Ay, maladtsa! Even with the "primary sources"! This Jew (or how is it right now so that the politically correct don't get to the bottom?) Is not even a self-nominated candidate, it turns out, but an impostor in the end. Actually, religion was originally a fraud, because there is no paradise, no afterlife, no god. There is a man and nature around him. Our ancestors prayed on it until they planted this abomination with fire and sword.
                  1. +1
                    15 August 2012 18: 26
                    Quote: c1n7
                    Our ancestors prayed on it, until this abomination was planted with fire and sword.


                    Abomination is what you write. Well, God be your judge.
                  2. Beck
                    -4
                    15 August 2012 20: 33
                    s1н7т

                    Thanks for the support. In hell, we will fry in one pan.
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2012 10: 54
                      Quote: Beck
                      Thanks for the support. In hell, we will fry in one pan.


                      How to know? Maybe I'll have worse there. I am not saying that I am sinless. But I do not deny the traditions of my people and the faith of my great-grandfathers.
                    2. 0
                      16 August 2012 17: 52
                      When you come across hell on earth, you will howl, but there will be nowhere to go. The soul will be given to demons for reproach. It is not necessary to relate to the spiritual world as if you had entered a pub. Watch the movie Hope and think about a lot. Although on this site you will find many other interesting things.
                      http://www.znamenye.ru/index.php?name=video
                  3. 0
                    16 August 2012 17: 44
                    Do not blaspheme God and the Holy Spirit.
              2. +4
                14 August 2012 22: 46
                Quote: baron.nn
                Try at least one day not to sin

                and this is the most difficult thing for us, but it's worth trying to conduct an experiment: for at least one day to give a simple assessment of all the thoughts that arise in you, just "+" or "-" (any thought, about a passer-by, about a raven, about a road, ... ..). I wonder what will be the difference between the sums of the pros and cons. Is the world around you bad?
                1. Bunny
                  +5
                  15 August 2012 00: 11
                  Quote: Kite
                  just "+" or "-" (any thought, about an oncoming passer-by, about a raven, about a road, .....)

                  Of course it's bad! A passer-by is clearly a cunning bastard (minus), a crow is lousy rubbish (minus), the road is the tank-drome, not the road (minus), the weather is lousy, it doesn't matter heat or cold (again minus), and who is to blame - Putin of course (in general complete minus) No clearance, Lord, well, for what? .. (minus) crying
            2. Beck
              -15
              14 August 2012 20: 18
              Vadivaku. Lapaev. Bulk, Baron and all interested.

              Of course, the girls of Pussy should be brought to justice, but without the concept of insulting the feelings of believers. They could dance in the State Duma and in the hospital. And, now that, among other things, they can be condemned for insulting deputy feelings, medical feelings of doctors and hospital feelings of patients. Absurd.

              In general, according to logic and common sense, Pussy is not to blame. Since the Christian church itself is NOT LEGITIMATE.

              Gospels come from Scripture. In the Scriptures, according to the statements of priests and scholastics, there are foundations and prerequisites for the appearance of Jesus. But they take some verses and do not add others.

              Before the Messiah was to appear, the Son of the living God should appear the prophet Elijah. According to Scripture, the prophet Elijah did not die at one time, but is in the bosom of God. And at the appointed hour, he will appear before the people and point his finger and his voice at the Deliverer. Elijah has not yet appeared and has not indicated anyone.

              When Jesus began to say that he was the Anointed. The people asked - And where is Elijah? Jesus turned arrows on John the Baptist. They say he is Elijah, but they did not recognize him and killed him. But John, at Jordan, to the questions of priests - Is He Elijah? He answered - NO. John was called only a herald. Current priests claim that John immediately, right in the waters of the Jordan, recognized God in Jesus. But this disagrees with the words of John, who, already in prison, sends his disciples to find out from Jesus whether he should be expected? Even John said that the strongest who follows him will baptize people with holy fire. They still baptize with water.

              From all that has been said, it turns out that the current church is not itself legitimate. Since it contradicts both Scripture and its gospels. Therefore, talking about insulting feelings does not have to.

              Confirmations from the gospel below.
              1. Churchill
                +13
                14 August 2012 20: 49
                Beck,
                Do you believe in conscience? Or is it also illegitimate ?! fool
                1. Beck
                  -6
                  14 August 2012 20: 55
                  Churchill.

                  I believe in human conscience, in the conscience of reason. And not in fictional tales. The purely human hypostases of good, mercy, humanity, morality, the churchmen attributed to themselves. And now, as charity is distributed to people. But for this it is necessary to become the SLAVE of God. To ask, to beg, to humiliate oneself, to break one's forehead in prayers. Give a bribe in the form of a sacrifice or donation. And they still look to give or not give you alms.
              2. speedy
                +3
                14 August 2012 23: 24
                No, you are not a bek, you are Moishe, and "under-examined" ...
                1. Beck
                  -5
                  15 August 2012 09: 57
                  Slowly moving.

                  And so the priests lost their temper, not finding answers to direct questions. And they are no exception. The rabbis also lost their temper when I asked them questions that they took the basics of their religion from ancient Sumerian legends. They were supplemented with the basic elements of monotheism taken from the first monotheist in history - Fvraon Akhenaten. Established in Egttt the only god Aton.

                  Now how do you call?
              3. +5
                15 August 2012 12: 26
                Quote: Beck
                Of course, the girls of Pussy should be brought to justice, but without the concept of insulting the feelings of believers. They could dance in the State Duma and in the hospital. And, now that, among other things, they can be condemned for insulting deputy feelings, medical feelings of doctors and hospital feelings of patients. Absurd.


                He does not see the difference between the temple of God and any institution. What can we talk about? The feelings of believers are an empty phrase for him, because, you see, he decided
                Quote: Beck
                the Christian church in itself is NOT LEGITIMATE

                In fact, the legitimacy of any structure determines the law. In this case, we are not even talking about the legislative framework of any state, but about a much larger and more significant one. Beck took on too much?

                Quote: Beck
                I believe in human conscience

                This is exactly what you are deprived of. A conscientious person will not play with the best feelings of other people.
                Quote: Beck
                But for this it is necessary to become the SLAVE of God. To beg, beg, humble ourselves, to break my forehead in prayers

                Forcing? Right under the white handles and to the temple? Of course not. But it is not enough for non-Christians not to go to the temple, they need to defile it, spit it, ridicule it, abuse it. Then they will live in peace with their supposedly available conscience.
                1. Beck
                  -4
                  15 August 2012 19: 54
                  In a flood.

                  Your words. A conscientious person will not play with other people's feelings.
                  Fair.

                  In total, there are now 6 billion people on the planet. Roughly, Christians 1,5. 4,5 left. And according to your faith, you sends them all to hell, to the fiery hyena, to eternal torment. This is a postulate of faith. God's punishment. For your opinion, for your thoughts. Islam promises too. If Jesus and Muhammad appear at the same time, then nuclear war is not necessary. The destruction of the planet occurs. You are people of a different faith - Hindus, Muslims, Shintoists, simply unbelievers undertake to punish. Is it conscience and mercy?
                  1. +3
                    16 August 2012 10: 56
                    Quote: Beck
                    In total, there are now 6 billion people on the planet. Roughly, Christians 1,5. 4,5 left. And according to your faith, you sends them all to hell, to the fiery hyena, to eternal torment.


                    Distort. Where is this said?

                    Actually, I believe that everyone should be responsible for their actions and words. The strongest takes responsibility for others.
                    Answer for yourself. Where in your words is conscience visible? Not seen.
                    I repeat, no one forcibly drags you either to the Orthodox church or to any other.
                    Do not be like s1н7т. I would be ashamed of only one fact that I enjoy the support of such a person.
                    1. Beck
                      -3
                      16 August 2012 11: 26
                      In a flood.

                      s1n7t, if you do not twist a person too. And as I understand it, if I understand correctly, he believes in his original Slavic gods - Perun, Yarilo, etc. And let him believe.

                      What did I juggle? Put your numbers. All the same, you will burn billions of people in the fiery hyena. I talked about the essence. It is impossible if a person believes in another god or does not believe in putting him into hell. Here is the advice.
                      Debating with you, I do not wish you torment. You, even mentally, according to the postulates, are already obliged to wish me eternal torment for "blasphemy." That is, for my rejection of God. You have no logic everywhere. You won't send me to hell if I like carrots and you are a tomato.

                      Personally, no one, of course, drags me. But indirectly all the churches only do what they drag. Broadcasts on television, Sunday schools, street school flyers, etc. I mean any faith.

                      It's a shame this is not an argument. What are you up to my embarrassment at the sight of dog love on the street.
                      1. +2
                        16 August 2012 12: 39
                        Quote: Beck
                        s1n7t, if you do not twist a person too. And as I understand it, if I understand correctly, he believes in his original Slavic gods - Perun, Yarilo, etc.


                        So is Perun inciting him to Orthodoxy? A believing person cannot go down to barking at another religion. And even more so on the faith of grandfathers. You know, the feelings of a believer do not allow.


                        Quote: Beck
                        What did I juggle? Put your numbers. All the same, you will burn billions of people in the fiery hyena. I talked about the essence. It is impossible if a person believes in another god or does not believe in putting him into hell.


                        No, Beck. Here the laws of higher justice come into force, depending not on us, but established from above. Conscience is a concept inextricable from a person, his earthly essence. Again, I repeat, where did you get the idea that believers who profess a different religion will be cast into hell?
                        But the ugly boorish attitude towards believers is just a manifestation of a complete lack of conscience, about which you are so pleased.

                        Quote: Beck
                        Personally, no one, of course, drags me. But indirectly all the churches only do what they drag.

                        This is like saying: no one drags me to gatherings of atheists, agnostics, neopagans, atheists, etc. But indirectly through forum speeches of the above-mentioned personalities, pressure is exerted on me.
                        So do not push !!!
                      2. Beck
                        -2
                        16 August 2012 13: 22
                        In a flood.

                        Dear, let your house stand and the sun shine over your family, but do not you think that we have filled the entire page. I respect your strength in spirit and faith, worthy. But accept mine, may your days last, offer .. We are standing with you, a true Christian, at different poles of the same direction in the knowledge of the world, and we will not converge in any way. I'm to the grave, you're to heaven. Let's finish, venerable, our talk, until a shadow of blind rage runs between us.

                        May your god bless your days.
              4. +2
                15 August 2012 15: 55
                Quote: Beck
                he will baptize people with holy fire. They still baptize with water.

                What do you think of the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles?
                Quote: Beck
                From all that has been said, it turns out that the current church is not itself legitimate.
                It doesn’t come out, it was established by the Apostles, acting under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
                1. Beck
                  -4
                  15 August 2012 20: 03
                  Uncle.

                  Dear, I repeat, I am not for confrontation, for understanding. I also have a question for the apostles. I present the apostles as pure, sinless, selfless. But I do not understand the following.

                  PETER.
                  - Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what will be to us?
                  Chapter 19, verse 27. Matthew

                  The very posing of the question for true believers is already blasphemous. What could be purer Faith and what could be the payment for selfless faithfulness? Jesus answered and in response set his disciples on the thrones, but on the thrones less than his own.

                  “Verily I tell you that you who follow Me are in Pacification, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you also sit on twelve thrones TO JUDGE the twelve tribes of Israel.”
                  Chapter 19, verse 28. From Matthew.

                  - Yes, eat and drink at My meal in My Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
                  Chapter 22, verse 30. From Luke.

                  And the apostles condemned the Jewish people for millennia. And the priests of other people cruelly judged in the Middle Ages. Picking them up, torturing them with iron, raising them to bonfires. And all this under the banner of faith and with the name of Jesus on the lips. And education does not allow priests to judge people today.

                  - Do not judge, and you will not be judged; Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; goodbye, and you will be forgiven.
                  Chapter 6, verse 37. From Luke.

                  The priests did not obey their own scripture, and at all times JUDGED, and condemned, and did not forgive. So far, they have not forgiven for them the invented original human sin. (Where would he come from without divine will). They can condemn on behalf of God; they do not want to FORGIVE on behalf of God.
          3. -11
            14 August 2012 17: 21
            the church is a well-designed business plan, but where did you see the poor huckster?
            1. Oleg Rosskiyy
              +5
              14 August 2012 21: 41
              Quote: hert
              church is a well-designed business plan

              But life is not eternal, and there, in Heaven, the bucks have no power, so think, think carefully.
            2. +5
              14 August 2012 22: 03
              The church is primarily an organization and there may be different people, but what they teach is different. When we are gone, who will teach our children goodness and forgiveness, love and fidelity, respect for elders, who? Who! Keep the "Church" in your soul then and there will be more good people.
              1. Beck
                -2
                16 August 2012 11: 36
                Focus.

                Our children will be taught all good enlightenment. The more ENLIGHTENMENT, the less misconceptions and indecent actions based on this misconception.

                EDUCATION abolished the Inquisition, trials of girls and women for witchcraft, drowning in the ice holes of witches, pogroms and murders of infidels, crusades and wars of ghazavat, a ban on science and much more.

                There was no enlightenment, we would now see how the Kurchatovs and Einsteins were burned in the squares of Europe. How to stoke, in the villages, in the ice holes of witches.
            3. +1
              15 August 2012 15: 57
              Quote: hert
              and where did you see the poor huckster?
              Blessed are the poor in spirit. What do you think in this regard?
          4. +5
            14 August 2012 21: 46
            Quote: Lapaev Mihail
            why did you take on the sick, they did something to you from their stupidity,
            - nothing they are stupid. They got carried away with punk-rock, dreamed of fame .... We were looking for a sponsor who would promote them. They organized a meeting with serious people, he promised them mountains of gold and world fame, but before that they need to do one small thing - to compose and sing on the pulpit of the church something about "drive Putin away." That serious person about world fame kept his promise, but with the mountains of gold, most likely a kidok. And I personally understand that girls do not care about Putin, and they did not feel (before all these events) either hatred or love, they were generally far from politics, they just dreamed of becoming punk singers. And the big uncles, for their own purposes, pulled the girls into this mud, now they are making a sacred sacrifice of them. And these guys do not care that some of these fools have children. It's a pity for those who have become pawns in someone else's game.
        2. +15
          14 August 2012 12: 23
          Perch_xnumxthen they will say that these are the machinations of MOSCOW AND PUTIN-PERSONALLY !!!!! wink belay Yes laughing SO crap these shit democracy - !!!! Yes
          1. Yeti
            +14
            14 August 2012 12: 37
            Quote: datur
            then they will say that this is the machinations of MOSCOW AND PUTIN-PERSONALLY !!!!!

            And the Patriarch will be pulled in, they say, he sold a briget to pay for a valuable sabotage! Yes
        3. +14
          14 August 2012 12: 47
          If they tried to do such a trick in a mosque, then there was no one to judge.
          1. Kaa
            +12
            14 August 2012 14: 36
            Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
            there was no one to judge.

            And let's show humanism: we will not judge, BUT with one condition - an encore show in the mosque of Grozny ....
        4. Oboz
          +1
          14 August 2012 12: 48
          “The trial over PR, and the PR themselves, today have turned both into a mockery of religion and a mockery of jurisprudence. faith in the girls was strengthened, and others, seeing such a picture, would not be drawn to 'adventures' in the temple. "
          1. Kaa
            +19
            14 August 2012 14: 57
            Quote: Oboz
            If you are guided by the covenants of the ancestors, then for these girls, five of the biting blows of the “forgiving” whip would be quite enough

            And let's not repeat the mantras of shitty magazines, but take a look at the legislation of the Russian Empire: "In the legislation of the Russian Empire," blasphemy "was understood as an encroachment on what is recognized by the Christian faith in general and the Orthodox Church in particular, divine or sacred, an encroachment manifested in a public expression of disrespect for dogmas and the rituals of the Christian faith and the Orthodox Church or their censure. The subject of this criminal act could be any person, the object was considered protected by law “honor and respect for everything recognized as divine or sacred by the Christian faith in general and the Orthodox Church in particular.” By the letter of the law, these included: Consubstantial Divine Trinity, The Blessed Virgin Mary, Honest Cross, bodiless powers of heaven, the holy pleasures of God, their images Holy Scripture, Holy Sacraments and generally religious dogmas and rites. The most severe punishment, namely the deprivation of all rights of the state and the reference to hard labor on a period of 12-15 years, the law threatened the perpetrator of blasphemy, committed in the church. For blasphemy in another public place at a crowded meeting, the guilty person was deprived of all rights of his fortune and exiled to hard labor for periods of 6-8 years, and the guilty person of blasphemy committed only with witnesses was deprived of all rights of state and exile in a remote place Siberia. http://rufact.org/wiki/
            1. Ruff
              +14
              14 August 2012 15: 06
              Kaa,
              Everything about the case, nothing personal, meet the hard labor of sinful souls! Amen! I wonder if, after this, will the next Pussi appear ?! negative
              1. Kaa
                +9
                14 August 2012 18: 58
                Quote: Ruff
                , meet hard labor sinful souls!

                Maybe EVERYONE who speaks in their support will voluntarily go
                following them as "Decembrists" "into the depths of Siberian ores"? That would be an act of high civic courage "and doom high aspiration"!
                hi
            2. +3
              14 August 2012 18: 32
              the situation has changed, and our people are not God-fearing, so there was absolutely no reason to stick out this God-fearful fact
          2. 0
            14 August 2012 18: 30
            I wrote about this a long time ago, but no, they made a judgment on themselves, someone very near from the Investigative Committee decided to bend to the authorities, pride in esteem, but they can’t admit their stupidity, this is the catch
        5. 0
          14 August 2012 13: 54
          perch_1:
          They will be torn apart there for this, but unlike Russia, no one will talk about it! They have a "free" press ...
        6. s1н7т
          -1
          15 August 2012 18: 06
          Us ... on your own head, the victim of the collapse of the country.
        7. CC-20a
          0
          16 August 2012 04: 52
          if they do this, then the next day everyone will forget about busiraite, not just one media out there will even be a squeak about them, even old references to them will be deleted from the Internet and archives, all who will mention them will be planted or at least fired on the trail same day without explanation. These girls themselves will disappear somewhere in one of HUNDREDs of prisons to the CIA where prisoners are tortured.
      2. Nickname
        +18
        14 August 2012 10: 14
        Your nobility, what do these girls have to do with it? It's about Putin.
        And the girls on the fire, as in the good old days, let the soul be cleansed
        1. +24
          14 August 2012 10: 41
          Quote: Nickname
          Your nobility, what do these girls have to do with it? It's about Putin.

          This is not about Putin, but about factors influencing the image of Russia. And the girls use this field to the fullest.
          1. Winter
            +46
            14 August 2012 11: 14
            To start these pussies it would be nice to remove them from the air, otherwise every day - pussi, pussi, pussi ... What else are there? Under the king of terrorists they hung up anonymous putting a bag on his head so as not to make them advertisements.
            1. Sergh
              +14
              14 August 2012 13: 09
              They ate Gorbachev’s democracy in the 90s, grew up in ten years, but burp remained, you see, you got bored with verbiage, and even the bad influence of the West encourages the monkeys to repeat after them. They forgot where they were born, they don’t put fathers and grandfathers in horseradish, only Coca-Cola and Chupa-Chups serve-rulez. They themselves got into a shit (I beg your pardon), they have to wipe themselves, no Hans-Jones will help, they themselves do not rake their dunghill, no, it smells a little, for some reason, science for the future!

              1. +6
                14 August 2012 17: 29
                no, they work for a green card, there will be prisoners of conscience. remember my word, as soon as the term is closed, immediately dumped in Europe or the states.
                1. 0
                  15 August 2012 07: 13
                  In the states they don’t know where to put their bl ... Why do they need this one-time trash?
            2. Beck
              -1
              14 August 2012 13: 54
              Winter.

              How far you are from the truth. If under the tsar the terrorists were hung like dogs, then there would be no revolution in Russia. They were arrested, tried, given a link to Siberia, where they lived there without security. Of course they regularly ran away from there.
              Terrorist Vera Zasulich shot dead St. Petersburg mayor Trepov. (It was also not a gift, but an official). The royal court fully acquitted Vera Zasulich.
              1. Mikado
                +12
                14 August 2012 14: 24
                6 thousand hanged by the sentences of the military field courts only in the period from 1906 to 1911, are we now called a link to Siberia? without security ... and that’s true. And Zasulich was acquitted by the jury, not the royal court. By the way, she was not a terrorist at that time, but was part of various circles and distributed leaflets for the struggle against tsarism, such as the current Pussy Riot.
                1. Beck
                  -2
                  14 August 2012 16: 01
                  Mikado

                  Well, I don’t know about the statistics of the hanged. Actually, I had in mind Lenin, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, Krasin, Trotsky and other prominent Bolsheviks, who were repeatedly condemned and sentenced to exile. They just shot under Soviet power for this.
                  How was Zasulich not a terrorist? And who killed Trepov then? Well, well, you are so disrespectful of facts and history.
                  Why do you divide a single trial into a separate jury and a separate court itself. The jury rendered their verdict that Zasulich could not be found guilty. And the acquittal was passed by the royal court under the chairmanship of Koni.
                  1. Mikado
                    +8
                    14 August 2012 17: 02
                    Any killer is now a terrorist by definition? And she did not kill him, but seriously wounded him. And she shot at him not because he was the governor of Petersburg (according to the revolutionary "satrap"), but because he unconditionally ordered to flog Bogolyubov, in short, a banal revenge
                    1. Beck
                      -3
                      14 August 2012 17: 31
                      Mikado

                      Maybe revenge, but not commonplace.

                      Zasulich is an activist of the Russian and international socialist movement.
                      Bogolyubov politician - populist.

                      It seems to me that Zasulich perceived Bogolyubov’s flogging not only as a personal, but also as a flogging of the entire socialist movement. If it was a banal revenge, then this did not cause that huge resonance as it was. Few in Russia on that denb of murders happened.
                      1. Crocus
                        +11
                        14 August 2012 18: 11
                        Beck,
                        You describe the birth of liberalism in Russia, which amazes not only particularly impressionable ladies, but also ordinary people, lawyers and jurors. Remember Tolstoy's Resurrection.
                    2. +4
                      14 August 2012 21: 04
                      Forgive me for interfering in your argument, but I had a question. And what was Bogolyubov her relative? Trepov was a tyrant, but he did not execute Bogolyubov, and as far as I remember at that time it was possible to appeal the action of any official. I don’t know what punishment these people would endure ... m, but I think they would remember this trick for life. And they will threaten us with a finger and take bail, something in Europe they didn’t want to show off in the temple, not to mention about the east.
        2. vu-orlov
          +13
          14 August 2012 11: 01
          yes to count them and all business
          1. 0
            15 August 2012 07: 15
            They should like it.
        3. +8
          14 August 2012 12: 12
          Nickname,

          Ento you beguiled, on a fire - this is in enlightened Europe.
          We have the same old fashioned way - a long rod and a white pope.
          1. +3
            14 August 2012 12: 24
            with rods on the pope, and then sheared and to the monastery
        4. +5
          14 August 2012 12: 59
          Better to count, thereby a rebellious place.
      3. ytqnhfk
        +7
        14 August 2012 10: 15
        Here pusi discuss pusey !! Tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are !!!!
      4. spender
        +11
        14 August 2012 10: 28
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        How can you relate to people or orgonization whose heroes are the close-up hooligan girls of dubious behavior?

        They need to be punished, but without creating a universal sensation around this, the followers will climb after seeing such PR. Priests "blacken" themselves
        Rector of the Church of the Holy Martyrs Flora and Laurus at the Moscow College of Economics and Energy, Father Superior Timofei, who christened the daughter of Philip Kirkorov, got into a car accident in Moscow.

        The priest at the wheel of a BMW sports car with diplomatic numbers of the Embassy of Malta crashed three cars at once. Victims say priest was drunk and refused medical examination, reports "Komsomolskaya Pravda."
        1. +13
          14 August 2012 10: 50
          Quote: spender
          They must be punished, but without creating around this hype on a universal scale, after seeing such a PR, the followers will climb.

          In a good way, the parishioners themselves had to deal with this trash in their own way. And now you can’t retreat, otherwise you won’t shrug off the followers.
          And most importantly, do not sit quietly and watch the country spit. Ragozin, for example, firmly attached the Madonna, in Russian, and it is necessary.
          1. Cassiopeia
            +18
            14 August 2012 10: 54
            Exactly, if they had caught me in the service, I would have smeared them!
            1. +9
              14 August 2012 12: 07
              I would put a foot too.
        2. +4
          14 August 2012 12: 10
          Quote: spender
          They need to be punished, but without creating a universal sensation around this, the followers will climb after seeing such PR. Priests "blacken" themselves


          And who created the hype? Are lawyers and human rights defenders with strong support from European human rights guardians?
          If it’s good, it’s a year of correctional labor, the benefits would be real from the dummies.
      5. +4
        14 August 2012 13: 53
        Dmitry69:
        In the West, this is in the order of things. Look at the western stars: who is this Madonna? Fucking ... fucking! And how many homosexuals do they have in the status of western stars? So they want to instill in us their culture, to decompose, so to speak, us!
        1. +3
          15 August 2012 00: 21
          By the way, the same Madonna has a theme similar to a little piece of cake - a clip for the song Like a prier (Like a Prayer) There, she also stands out in a church on a pulpit .... The clip was banned for showing under pressure from the religious community (there, by the way, in the west) ...
          Py.Sy. I apologize for my agglitz .... laughing
          1. 0
            15 August 2012 10: 19
            Raven1972:
            There is nothing to look at these creatures, to excommunicate for such actions and deal with the end !!!
      6. Kaa
        +12
        14 August 2012 14: 46
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        tell who your hero is and I will say who you are.

        The hero of our "crappy doggy" is Benjamin Franklin, or rather the paper with his image. In the 90s, people with similar tastes were artificially selected, fed, placed, now their children have grown up. Who selected - yes those. who wanted to see 100-150 "bantustans" in the place of the USSR. They have a bad history. "Iron Chancellor" Bismarck wrote back in the days of Ona: "Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the decay of the main force of Russia, which is based on millions of Russians ... These latter, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, will also quickly rejoin each other, like particles of a cut piece of mercury ... "And the war is going on ... while the information ...
        1. Ruff
          +14
          14 August 2012 15: 13
          Quote: Kaa
          as quickly reconnecting with each other as particles of a cut mercury

          Here is the idea! Russians of all countries unite!
      7. 0
        14 August 2012 21: 13
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        Judging by the democratic press, the main heroes of the country are the participants in Pussy Riot.

        The terrible thing is that the fight against these hooligans (((they could have been given 200-300 hours of community service, in favor of this temple))) is perceived as a struggle for a democratic movement in society !!!!
        There is a substitution of priorities, as in Ukraine !!
        To the place of struggle against the economic crisis, the law on language is being circulated there !!!
        So, in order to attract the public, to participate as much as possible in government, they throw us bones ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in the form of Navalny, Sobchak and a heap of protest electorate! In place of a really matured reform in the media !!!
    3. Kshatriy
      +4
      14 August 2012 10: 09
      Quote: vladimir70
      everything will be like in Libya and similar countries ..

      Yeah, I imagined --- the Arabs, stoned tightly, rush along the Red Square in a jeep and scorch in all directions from the turret, heavy machine gun --- (the sweet dream of the Phasington dreamers)!
      Quote: vladimir70
      that he and his company used to grab and share are able to work

      Data on the theft of Putin ... or for example Ragozin please give? With links ..... (I am not a supporter of Putin and not a democrat at all .... but you have to be honest)
      1. Nickname
        -8
        14 August 2012 10: 16
        Banned in Google - no one will help.
        Search.
        1. 0
          14 August 2012 13: 22
          Quote: Nickname
          Banned in Google - no one will help.
          Search


          I’ve found it, or is there some kind of filter in your Google?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiClfrvLupg
      2. +6
        14 August 2012 10: 37
        Kshatriy Today, 10: 09
        Yeah, I imagined --- the Arabs, stoned tightly, rush along the Red Square in a jeep and scorch in all directions from the turret, heavy machine gun --- (the sweet dream of the Phasington dreamers)!
        ... And when they are shot, it turns out that these are two dressed up British special agents - there was such a case (though in a different square)
    4. boos24
      +6
      14 August 2012 11: 00
      In my opinion you are from the "Alarmists" tell me. do you think the government will use aircraft against the people of the tanks, Poplar and Yarsa? even hesitate to ask how they will use the boats, you must first learn from your senior comrades. trolls before you flog such nonsense here
    5. +5
      14 August 2012 11: 04
      vladimir70, have you read The Golden Calf? There, at the end, a standard situation is described, Ostap wanted to cross the border with the mined junk, but the border guards robbed him and beat him. (or, if you like, remember other real examples, they are) This means that if it is difficult for you to predict such a development of events, then for a person in power in Russia, such a forecast is obvious, especially since he resists them (the masters of the Western world) pressure now.
    6. Lapaev mihail
      +2
      14 August 2012 11: 09
      swami totally agree, and Th minus? their children study at our schools and institutes, they live on the same salary, go on budget foreign cars, there’s nothing at all abroad)))) you are either naive or zombie here)) .... be at the well and don't get drunk .... here and drink the truth in buckets ...
    7. max-02215
      +15
      14 August 2012 11: 40
      I’m not a fan of GDP, but nonetheless, re-equipment is underway - is underway, albeit not at the pace we would like, but it is (all the more so, we don’t know all the information, and we don’t need to know it. We made the Amur route, I ride it periodically, Of course, it’s not a highway, but you can fall asleep in places. Without patriotic shouts, they extended a railway line to Yakutsk (and these are grandmothers are not small, especially the conditions that I went to Yakutsk are something and they do the road).
      And who can replace medveput now? Liberasts? You, that 90 seemed a little, still can’t deceive thieves, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation? Well, I beg you, imagine Zyuganich as president, it doesn’t work for me, clown Zhirik ???
      Of course, the twists with education and health care are simply enraging, the collapse in small towns and villages just kills, but I will say this in villages, for example, in Transbaikalia, who doesn’t eat alcohol with moonshine, it has both equipment and work, who keeps 100 cattle each, who uses earth engaged, the rest, of course, a pity, could not find themselves in these conditions, used to that someone should lead, but they just threw them - that’s what infuriates
      1. Skavron
        +8
        14 August 2012 12: 48
        I do not live in Russia, but I have been told a lot about the Russian North, I have many friends there. Yes, a lot is being done, you just need to talk about it and talk loudly. Then the liberals simply will not have arguments for criticism ...
        1. Sergh
          +10
          14 August 2012 13: 33
          Quote: max-02215
          The Amur route was done, I ride on it periodically, of course, not the autobahn, but sometimes fall asleep

          In fact, in Novosibirsk we made a northern detour around the city, but so far only one, but we have already started the next one with a new bridge across the Ob, and so, I drove on it for the first time yesterday, there are bridges everywhere, road junctions, further- across the river Ob a new bridge, just a song. So I drove to the other side of the city without a single traffic light just half an hour from my house, I was stunned (for Novosibirsk, this is from the Kalininsky district to Kudryashi), and if you go through the city, then in the afternoon an hour or twenty, if in a good way !!! And so in the city they took up the roads abruptly, which at times could not even be recognized. Previously, there wasn’t such a thing, but we’re all very few!
    8. +11
      14 August 2012 12: 05
      Quote: vladimir70
      Putin and his company in my opinion began to understand that just grabbing

      Vladimir, the article just says that Putin is not personally to blame for all our troubles. The traffic cop taking a bribe, the head of the housing office who writes off millions for unfinished repairs, a university teacher selling seats, is this Putin's company? Maybe wipers are his company? This is all we, the citizens of Russia, are destroying our homeland with our own hands. And those who do not have such an opportunity will be pushed away from the helm, howling about "Putin's company."
      1. Mikado
        -8
        14 August 2012 14: 12
        What for us then the president, if he does not decide anything, is not responsible for anything, if "we" can do whatever we want, even to destroy the country? In the company, one soldier beat the other half to death, and here the company commander, yes, they, the soldiers, are like that, they themselves ruin everything, the company commander and platoon commanders have nothing to do with it, and they do not depend on them
        1. Ruff
          +13
          14 August 2012 15: 17
          Quote: Mikado
          where does the company

          An example, to put it mildly, is unsuccessful! Putin is not a company, and not even aneral; Putin is supreme! But from the company and from the same generals, one must ask in full!
          1. Mikado
            -9
            14 August 2012 17: 06
            Well, right, why ask the Supreme about the mess in his "patrimony"
            1. Crocus
              +14
              14 August 2012 18: 16
              Mikado,
              If your light bulb is turned out in the entrance, then according to your logic, the Supreme Commander will be to blame, although your neighbor stole it, and that is at best, or maybe you yourself, although of course who will admit this, but the Supreme is still to blame, this is his "patrimony". wassat
    9. 11Goor11
      +8
      14 August 2012 12: 18
      "Dear" vladimir70 thatupac here you are these very alarmists, but there is an older and more capacious word - PROVOCATORS.
      Or do you really believe that the government, which holds so well in its place, will "reel off somewhere"? From whom should they "get away"? From the main representatives of the "creative" class - hipsters, whose whole meaning of life is to put on original rags and make a "bow"?
      "not restoring defenses"? Oh, this already causes fatigue, but they restore, restore, wipe your eyes.
    10. +4
      14 August 2012 12: 35
      Cucumbers are not ugly - you need to look for those to blame for Roskosmos,

      No need to juggle, the second Proton covered 5 billion in the pipe, where does the cucumber? It is necessary to ask the guilty and not the tongue to grind, otherwise the people's money flew on a rocket that had already been tested
    11. Patriot of Russia
      -14
      14 August 2012 13: 22
      vladimir70, do not pay attention to the cons. the truth is before my eyes and more and more people are not ready to put up with many years of humiliation and robbery. the site is pro-Putin, you will be filled with mud here
      1. +10
        14 August 2012 13: 53
        Another PR man ... How long have you come up with a nickname? Take a chocolate bar, a creative opponent of VVP .. And how is this expressed: "the site is pro-Putin"? In that there is a point of view different from the point of view of all polymers of the *** scholars? What loud words about many years of robbery and humiliation ... Have you tried to work? No, of course it can humiliate you and someone rob you every day, but you don't have to speak for everyone. At least for me.
        1. Patriot of Russia
          -16
          14 August 2012 14: 15
          otherwise the site would be closed in an hour. something, but the media knows how to control your KGB officer. and do not distort the person. I do not know you and you me. to drive resources abroad is not a job. and I see how much they cost, the situation in the country does not get any better. what is the achievement ?? that poverty is stable and guaranteed? and from sports to space is stable in ... ope ?? he does not heal the country, but only prolongs his existence ... and earns.
          1. +11
            14 August 2012 15: 11
            You know, if I were called Patriot in my nickname, then I would not disdain to defend Russia and go over to personalities. Especially in a conversation with a hypocrite, who only knows how to panic and to be a lawmaker. Poverty on Wall Street is guaranteed. Did not know?
            But only if you are a patriot of Russia, why are you not proud of how the country rises from its knees? Having so many unsolved problems, takes 4th place in the Olympics? What do our athletes, like volleyball players, break their veins not for grandmas, but for pride?
            That "P R patriot", you have nothing to be proud of? And I have! And nefig president of my country, by the way, I did not vote for him, not biased, accused of theft. Especially when you judge people by yourself. And if such a gentle pg'avozashchitnichek Internet hamechkovy subspecies, then do not be offended by my post. They carry water to the offended.
            If the president is a thief for you, then what is the reason to accuse me of becoming personal? You are "Pusi Ryota patriot" for me, and I have no respect for your person.
            1. Patriot of Russia
              -14
              14 August 2012 20: 43
              dmitreachdon’t rip your throat by campaigning for your embezzler smile
              1. +5
                14 August 2012 21: 05
                change nickname, PR worker in a balaclava.
      2. 11Goor11
        +8
        14 August 2012 13: 57
        "Patriot of Russia"
        do not pay attention to cons. the truth is before my eyes and more and more people are not ready to put up with many years of humiliation and robbery. the site is pro-Putin, you will be filled with mud here

        And you too laughing but not just with dirt, but with your own words that you are not embarrassed to speak to a president who really works, while you can only talk your sad nonsense.
      3. sahha
        +5
        15 August 2012 06: 40
        Quote: Patriot of Russia
        the site is pro-Putin, you will be filled with mud here


        Most likely pro-Russian. And who does not like the revival of Russia - in the furnace.
    12. +9
      14 August 2012 13: 48
      Quote: vladimir70
      but what would be considered with Russia it is necessary to deal with and make more efforts
      What efforts are you making? Who in general from a motley crowd of liberals makes at least some effort? To bow to the US embassy is not to make efforts to respect and settle Russia ... saints, for many Russians things, also does not mean to think about its greatness.
    13. Montefiore
      -20
      14 August 2012 17: 11
      The survey most likely reflects the real situation in Russia.

      9% who love and worry about their homeland, seeing how bad everything is
      8% still do not understand the gravity of the situation

      And all the rest, who, unfortunately, are the majority, have Stockholm syndrome, coupled with the syndrome of serfs. Despite the fact that the authorities took them hostage, they will continue to hum "God Save the Tsar".
      1. +9
        14 August 2012 17: 38
        Quote: Montefiore
        And all the rest, who, unfortunately, are the majority, have Stockholm syndrome, coupled with the syndrome of serfs. Despite the fact that the authorities took them hostage, they will continue to hum "God Save the Tsar".


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        1. Crocus
          +14
          14 August 2012 18: 20
          mechanic33,
          Robot in business !!! bully
          And what stamps! - "Stockholm syndrome", "serfs syndrome", "hostages", "God save the Tsar" ... No creativity! hi
          1. Sergh
            +6
            14 August 2012 23: 08
            Quote: Montefiore
            unfortunately most

            Well, your Most-fagots, but without our regret, with which we congratulate you, since there is nothing to take from you!
      2. sergskak
        +7
        14 August 2012 21: 23
        Quote: Montefiore
        And all the rest, who, unfortunately, are the majority, have Stockholm syndrome, coupled with the syndrome of serfs. Despite the fact that the authorities took them hostage, they will continue to hum "God Save the Tsar".

        Say right away that you envy our freedom. You have turned half of your country into homeless people over the past couple of years. You should not care about our affairs at all. Put things in order there, shoot the crazy blacks in the streets, chew burgers and drink beer in paper bags. Do not forget to raise in the morning.
        1. Montefiore
          -3
          14 August 2012 23: 47
          Maybe in USA 2012 it became worse with respect to USA 2007, but in any case, with respect to Russia, the Americans are still in chocolate. As Zadaornov said, Russians will never feel the crisis, because they are used to living in an eternal crisis.
          1. sergskak
            +3
            15 August 2012 00: 33
            Quote: Montefiore
            Americans are still in chocolate

            Rather, in g ... not over the ears, you’ll wash the horseradish. Here and bathe further. We have a saying: g ... but don’t touch, it won’t stink, but you don’t have to touch it either. Yes, why didn’t you come in? To say how everything works out for you? So it’s better for us anyway. It breathes more freely and you can call blacks blacks.
          2. Azazel
            +1
            15 August 2012 21: 43
            Your masters (the nation of emigrants) run like rats from a sinking ship. Soon you will disappear from this site when they stop paying.
          3. +2
            15 August 2012 21: 49
            Quote: Montefiore
            Maybe in USA 2012 it got worse relative to USA 2007,
            Well seen, let's see when the year 2022 arrives.
      3. +1
        14 August 2012 22: 34
        If the majority sings "God Save the Tsar," then they are right (according to the rules of democracy) and the minority should draw conclusions and reconcile, or offer a better song and not scream that all around are idiots, I'm the only smart one.
        1. Montefiore
          -4
          15 August 2012 00: 05
          Only here is one big "BUT" - you are far from being a democracy, the system is arranged so that only the voice of the pleasing will be considered legitimate, everyone else will be gagged, creating the illusion of a majority, supposedly patriotic and a minority, whose rights are not reckoned with and who will be labeled as traitors ...

          In addition, remember, healthy democracy is when strong opposition acts, it is an axiom, and you have a new kind of monarchy, which has no alternative.

          Perhaps for some short-term period this is for the better and in the interests of Russia, since such a device will not let the people go wild, but in the long-term, this system is destructive, because due to the concentration of all the levers of the ruling party and also due to weak opposition, there will simply be no control mechanisms, the authorities will simply not report to anyone, even to their own people.
          1. sergskak
            +3
            15 August 2012 01: 19
            Quote: Montefiore
            you are far from democracy

            Absolutely all the same can be said about you. Moreover, we all see how the protesters are being dispersed at you. Our kind police of protesters are simply put into the bus in your hands, and your firing is arranged right away. Democracy in action. Quickly and clearly you shut your mouths there .
            Only one big "BUT"
            Learn to look for this "BUT" first of all.
          2. 0
            15 August 2012 22: 01
            If there is a really strong opposition, it means the authorities have reached a dead end. If we take the United States as an example, then there is no opposition (Democrats and Republicans are one party), the real opposition was there in the 40s. when the communist movement was organized but the DemoRepublikans burned it out with a hot iron. The proof is that in the United States the one-party system is - mediocre warriors, "narrow-minded" presidents, moreover, relatives, not far-sighted foreign and economic policies.
    14. +4
      14 August 2012 17: 13
      Quote: vladimir70
      then everything will be like in Libya and similar countries


      and what was in your Libya?
      1. +8
        14 August 2012 18: 05
        There will be no answer. The generator is frozen.
      2. +4
        14 August 2012 19: 57
        In Libya, Sarkozyavka was cut for grandmas. It’s pure kidalovo with a mochilov of authority, who dumped the loot under the not feeble gesheft, as he, naive, thought, but in fact they sent him the very show that he wouldn’t be responsible for the loot.
        In short: threw him, you see, mechanic33? KI NU LI. And vladimir70 thought, hoped that again Dima was to blame.
        It seems to me that vladimir70, the cause - investigative connection, has beguiled. IMHO
    15. +7
      14 August 2012 17: 14
      Putin just perfectly understands everything, works in conditions of obvious and hidden opposition, in the context of growing restoration of the state economy and direct pressure of shit-eaters.
    16. +3
      15 August 2012 11: 25
      vladimir70 this article is just about people like you, except you deliberately greed Russia with water, you are not capable of anything else. Green Dollar from the State Department is doing its job!
  2. DYMITRY
    +26
    14 August 2012 09: 00
    We must not forget that excellent psychologists are sitting on the opposite side of the front, receiving very good money for their work. All waves of panic are carefully coordinated, begin, and end, just like the rat-catcher's whistle. There is an information war, probably for the first time in history on a similar scale. And the opposition is late for several moves. An iron curtain is needed, and it is needed yesterday !!! And to great regret, he sinks too slowly. Although the western man was accustomed to the idea that he was almost closed.
    1. Indigo
      +29
      14 August 2012 10: 12
      Quote: DYMITRY
      An iron curtain is needed, and it is needed yesterday !!!

      with barbed wire and a high-voltage current, around the perimeter of the curtain there are stakes with heads (see photo) and once a week with the Tsar Cannon shoot with dung defenders in the direction of the setting sun ... to be honest - then I AM!
      1. +9
        14 August 2012 10: 39
        And that only in our time is not born into the light of God sad
    2. +11
      14 August 2012 11: 11
      I agree with you and the author that an active psychological and ideological attack is being waged against Russia. But dropping the iron curtain, we will destroy what we can be proud of. If we look at things with a normal, not clouded by ideology, normal democratic system of government, we have real freedom of speech, we have freedom of movement and we have the opportunity to earn money. Yes, the citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet reached the consumer level, which is in the West, but the whole Western consumer culture is based on lending, an ordinary western citizen owes to everyone and everyone like land a collective farm. We fortunately do not have this, and we hope that it will not. And the fact that areal lumpen screaming hold thief! So it’s not scary, the people don’t support them and are unlikely to support them, with all the perspicacity of the Anglo-Saxons, the moment for the liberal color coup has been missed. In addition, lowering the curtain of iron, we will begin to produce martyrs of conscience from Anal-Nemtsov-Kasparov’s shushera, to be precise, is conscience more suitable, but do we need it? In my opinion, it is not necessary, the necessary amendments to the law have been introduced, so they will want to raise the booze to sit down under a special article, they will openly slander ... sit down. These are normal mechanisms to protect the system from such freaks. And the fact that brazen-Saxon shit-eaters howl in the paid press, so let them howl, THE DOG Barks THE WIND WEARS.
      1. +15
        14 August 2012 11: 26
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I agree with you and the author that an active psychological and ideological attack is being waged against Russia.

        how they heat up and unwind Hot topics:
        My webpage

        How are tailed throws
        My webpage

        The next chain after the media and bloggers controlled by our “partners” is army of bots. Over the past year, many of us have been able to observe a whole host of messages, similar as two drops of water, the purpose of which is to agitate against something. Most often, spammers are attacked by social networks and services such as LiveJournal and Twitter.
        Who controls the bots? How is the coordination of the actions of this herd of virtual "sheep"? How do "dissent" clutter up information channels with spam?
        Igor Ashmanov, one of the founders of the IT industry in Russia, once again expressed his thoughts on this subject:
      2. +4
        14 August 2012 11: 31
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Yes, the citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet reached the consumer level,

        This can be done easily, gain billions of loans around the world and pay high pensions and salaries, but in the end it will lead to the outbreak of the economic crisis.
      3. max-02215
        +3
        14 August 2012 14: 42
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        so let them howl, THE DOG BARKS THE WIND WEARS.
        I don’t agree, you need to take a big boot in the face, let it whimper, and drive these pro-Western scribblers from the press, too much negativity and diarrhea are poured. Of course you need to inform the population, but do not shit the country in which you were born. But they knew in Western Gop schools how and what to teach our, now, menagers and zhurnalyug. Some buy and ruin, while others find and defame, that’s worked out to the fullest. And when the television and radio press constantly taldychit what wild and bad we are about what kind of patriotism, the younger generation can talk about? In computer games, the Americans are beating us, in films the same thing, we need counter propaganda, we need to shoot our own films, how we beat them ...........
    3. Mikula
      -18
      14 August 2012 11: 22
      DYMITRY - An iron curtain is needed, and it is needed yesterday !!! And to great regret, he sinks too slowly.


      With all my heart I wish you a speedy lowering of the iron curtain. After all, he will not only separate your world from ours, but will also deliver us from you.
      1. +11
        14 August 2012 12: 20
        Quote: mikula
        After all, he will not only separate your world from ours, but will also save us from you.


        Eh, Mykola, if it was so simple, it would be so easy.
        Unfortunately, neither we from you nor you can get rid of us in the near foreseeable future.
      2. Yeti
        +15
        14 August 2012 12: 50
        Quote: mikula
        I sincerely wish you a speedy lowering of the iron curtain

        We did not lower the iron curtain, but against us! Afraid of the USSR! And now the same hysteria! Just do not lower how much, you’re fucked up, now it’s your turn to fall apart. Dialectics.
        1. Mikula
          -12
          14 August 2012 13: 22
          Yeti - now it's your turn to fall apart.

          About Dialectics. Oh rotting capitalism. NU-NU WAIT AND ON.
      3. +8
        14 August 2012 13: 03
        And it’s not scary - after all, along with it will come an iron valve, as well as a lot of iron ...
        1. Mikula
          -15
          14 August 2012 13: 29
          Lelikas - lead along with him and the iron valve.


          Yes, you're right no Intel AMD and Nvid. No BMW TOYOTA AND NISSANS. only boots and balalaika. Eat oil drink gas. Forward to a brighter future.
          1. Ruff
            +16
            14 August 2012 15: 24
            Quote: mikula
            Yeah you're right no intel

            Intel makes in Nizhny Novgorod! .. And the entire auto industry of the whole world is already here! So this is your harmonica and chebot on a wooden course! wassat
            1. Mikula
              -12
              14 August 2012 15: 42
              Ruff - Intel makes in Nizhny Novgorod! ..


              After lowering the iron curtain, this Intel model will be produced there for the next 50 years under the name of a classic, however, like the auto industry.bully
              1. +5
                14 August 2012 22: 49
                There will be no iron curtain. The bots themselves will eat themselves of them, and so on the net there are more than real people. There is a mathematical law of sets, and if the number exceeds a certain limit, then the system destroys itself. So you can sleep peacefully. And as for the decaying West, then here, if the West does not recreate a counterweight to itself, such as NATO - the Warsaw Pact, then, according to the laws of energy conservation, the United States expects oblivion, similar, or perhaps worse than the end of the Country of Soviets. Moreover, this works regardless of whether the parties believe in the laws of Nature or not. But the West does not have enough brains to direct efforts to create a counterbalance for themselves, for the sake of saving themselves.
          2. +6
            14 August 2012 20: 23
            BMWs, Toyota and Nissan are also not riveting out of thin air ... Steel, nickel, aluminum and much more, and the loss of such a market also does not promise anything good to the Germans or the Japanese.
          3. Oleg Rosskiyy
            +6
            14 August 2012 21: 54
            Quote: mikula
            No BMW TOYOTA AND NISSANS. only boots and balalaika. Eat oil drink gas. Forward to a brighter future.

            In-in, and in the winter to us, for the same boots on a Mercedes harnessed by German taxpayers, and driven by the US gay army.
            1. Homer
              +7
              14 August 2012 22: 44
              Seven hundred thousand pederastists went to the Berlin gay parade!
          4. Homer
            +9
            14 August 2012 22: 37
            Quote: mikula
            . valenki only

            Tell us about boots for Wehrmacht veterans, otherwise they used to go in some baskets ...
    4. +23
      14 August 2012 11: 34
      Quote: DYMITRY
      An iron curtain is needed, and it is needed yesterday !!! And to great regret, he sinks too slowly.


      Perhaps .. If you compare some analogies
      1. -3
        14 August 2012 14: 47
        You guys even think when you write something, and exhibit pictures. Who are the liberals? What are you all throwing in one pile and litter and manure? Sobchak, by the way, according to Putin, his life teacher. And in the government itself, a lot of liberals are sitting, including the second person in the country - Medvedev.
        This article in itself is a provocation. Looks like G.O. Even stop thinking laziness - that one, that the other. A radish man (as they said in one famous film), not because he is a pro-Putin or a liberal, but because he is a radish. And among liberals, the percentage of radishes is greater of course, but in terms of quantity Proputins have more, if only because bad people more often choose the strong side at the moment, so that they can take full advantage of it.
        1. +11
          14 August 2012 17: 25
          Quote: sinandju
          And among liberals, the percentage of radishes is greater, of course, but in terms of quantity Proputins have more, if only because bad people are more likely to choose the strong side at the moment so that they can take full advantage of it.


          A liberal by definition is an enemy of Russia and of all Russian, regardless of whether he is sincere in his views or a representative fifth column
          The liberal macroeconomic theory that triumphed with the destruction of the USSR in most states has nothing to do with a person’s desire for freedom and responsibility, which is understood as liberalism in politics. The essence of economic liberalism, almost a quarter century ago concentrated in the dogmas of the Washington consensus, in another way: the state should serve not its people, but global business.
          A. Sobchak about Putin in an interview 10 days before his death.

          Anatoly Alexandrovich, the era of Yeltsin ended. There comes, for a long time or not, the era of Putin. The vector of democratic development, in your opinion, will remain? Or totalitarianism awaits us ...
          No, totalitarianism is not waiting for us. I am sure that the democratic vector of Russia's development will intensify. And this will require all participants in political life to be prepared for compromises, more flexibility. It seems to me that the time of straightforward decisions, attempts to crush, deal with the enemy is a thing of the past. We will not face dictatorship if Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin becomes president. But there will be another. There will be a strengthening of the state, there will be organic impregnation or organic integration into the state of power structures, which are still found as if they were foreign bodies. Outside of Russian democratic statehood. After all, what is our tragedy? That we, and the court, and the prosecutor’s office, and the police, and the army, and the FSB were completely communist in mentality, structure, working methods, and personnel. And as if they were alien, they still feel their foreignness. Even some, you know, restlessness. They never found their organic place in the system of Russian democratic statehood.
          But if Putin succeeds ... This is largely an operation that requires reform: changing people, and changing the style and methods of work, organizational structures. But here the most important thing is the moment of trust. The trust of these people, these structures to Putin. Yeltsin, unfortunately, was unable to integrate these structures into Russian statehood. That is why, feeling their hostility, he resorted to his famous system of checks and balances.


          My webpage
          1. +12
            14 August 2012 17: 30
            Currently, Putin is the figure who really opposes liberal revenge in Russia and turning it into an appendage of global business. Although I personally criticize him for the inconsistency of decisions and desire play with washington partners on their field and according to their liberal rules.
            By the way, on "Echo of Matza" Putin's entry into politics is ANATOLY SOBCHAK'S DEATH MISTAKE no more no less
      2. +1
        16 August 2012 18: 12
        and who holds it ?! That's right, including Medvedev
    5. +16
      14 August 2012 12: 12
      I'm waiting for this curtain! I would throw my business to hell and go to the censors! Call a spade a spade! Gay!? What a gay! The bugger, weirdo, sodomy !!! Field commander?! The leader of the gang !!! Madonna !? Yes, this is the Catholic Mother of God !!! They completely lost their minds there.
      1. Mikula
        -11
        14 August 2012 14: 25
        Uncle - I would throw my business to hell and go to the censors!


        Here it is the essence of the scoop. He, for the sake of Russia, would not be a miner or a steelworker, he would go to censors. Ah yes Uncle ah yes cat's son.
        1. -1
          14 August 2012 14: 37
          Someone should be a censor. The breadman is useless from me, and the miner too. And what does the scoop have to do with it?
          1. Mikula
            -6
            14 August 2012 14: 59
            Uncle- And what does the scoop have to do with it?


            Because in a scoop with problems in life they fought with the help of censorship. And in words - the beautiful marquise is all good, all is good!
            1. +7
              14 August 2012 15: 59
              I speak of censorship as a filter on the way of what is generally recognized as evil and sin, in particular pederasty, pornography, and other achievements of freedom. I do not mean such a fine filtering that even rock music and jeans are presented as an element of bourgeois life. During the scoop, there was an obvious bust, which, on the contrary, gave rise to a backlash, not a rejection of Western values, but an attraction to them, as to a forbidden fruit. A society devoid of spiritual guidelines, as now, needs to be educated, including protecting from vices. Is it really not clear to you?
              1. Mikula
                -3
                14 August 2012 17: 10
                Uncle - Is it really not clear to you?


                Unfortunately, the sad world experience shows that censorship being released once seeks to devour any free information that is not acceptable to the authorities.
            2. Indigo
              +7
              14 August 2012 17: 46
              Well, well, a country occupied since 45g. something there wants to inform the world of publicity:
              1. Where is Germany’s gold reserve stored - in all its might and demand it back, like dictator W. Chavez? - weak?
              2. Declares that the so-called There was NO naked host and the Jews fought in the Wehrmacht and pay the Zionists for what they themselves invented - weakly?
              3. Germans have turned into a nation of queers and informers (especially on neighbors and newcomers who do not "fit" into the framework of their kennel life) - is it weak to admit it?
              and, Mikita, tell us how the Volga Germans "took root" in Germany?
              1. Crocus
                +11
                14 August 2012 18: 26
                Indigo,
                You have painted a plan for the revival of Germany as a great power!
                And apparently, time is just around the corner! Yes
                1. Beck
                  0
                  14 August 2012 19: 39
                  Crocus.

                  Western journalists have already put forward the slogan.

                  "WHAT THE TANKS DID NOT DO, (at 45) FINANCE DID (2010).
  3. -28
    14 August 2012 09: 01
    Vladimir completely agree with you. The real things started to do after Libya, fearing to lose their power. Putin could send his genius in a different direction ...
    1. teplal
      +8
      14 August 2012 10: 33
      (Great) How did he lose sight of your genius and did not consult ?! Well this is not comprehensible to the mind !!! Such a head goes blank !!! Alyarm !!! .... Or I got it wrong, an empty head ...
      1. Winter
        +26
        14 August 2012 11: 20
        Quote: teplal
        The real things started to do after Libya

        The real things started a little earlier, when the State Department realized that Putin was returning to power, and with his return, the influence of the West on Russia would steadily decline. And as this decline the howl of liberal propaganda began to grow! And if someone says that this is a coincidence, spit in his face.
        1. -7
          14 August 2012 13: 56
          Quote: Winter
          The real things started a little earlier, when the State Department realized that Putin was returning to power

          Excuse me, but Putin was first president for two terms and then prime minister
          and now again the president and did not leave the government anywhere.
          And the howl of liberal propaganda began to grow in my opinion due to the fact that weak links appeared in the chain of statehood in the form of all-inclusive corruption and impunity. Types of economic activity are cuts and kickbacks and this has become the norm; without this, production and economic processes no longer occur.
          1. Ruff
            +16
            14 August 2012 15: 31
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            weak links appeared in the chain of statehood

            What kind of heresy? .. They began to appear! In the 90s, besides theft, there was nothing at all! Putin’s first two terms were not visible behind the trash. Many people already considered him a prime minister as a swan song. And he came back, and this is Putin completely different, you can’t slap this on the shoulder, you won’t threaten with your finger, and you won’t make Amrskaya dance to the tune. stop
            1. -6
              14 August 2012 16: 53
              Quote: Ruff
              What the heresy ?.

              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Excuse me, but Putin was first president for two terms and then prime minister
              and now again the president and did not leave the government anywhere.

              Do you think this is heresy?
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Types of economic activity are cuts and kickbacks and this has become the norm; without this, production and economic processes no longer occur.

              Or is it heresy, or both?
              Quote: Ruff
              And he came back, and this is already a completely different Putin,

              Excuse me, where was he? Did he fly to Mars? For four years he was the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation and then he returned to the President of the Russian Federation as a completely different person.
              I have a purely human normal attitude towards Putin. But the fact that corruption and impunity is flourishing in the country, I consider a flaw in Putin.
              1. Crocus
                +9
                14 August 2012 18: 29
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                . But the fact that corruption and impunity flourishes in the country, I consider a flaw in Putin’s

                That's it - a flaw! And not like here, some are trying to imagine Pu as the originator of everything and everything!
                1. teplal
                  +3
                  14 August 2012 21: 47
                  If there is no water in the tap, Putin drank! Not Jews !! By the way to a moderator or a robot, J.I. This is a commonly used, quite literary word!
                  1. bachast
                    0
                    15 August 2012 06: 36
                    It is commonly used

                    If less shoved this word wherever you go, there would be no restrictions
        2. teplal
          0
          15 August 2012 05: 40
          I didn’t say anything about Libya! Sory he is inclusive .... Or off ....
  4. thatupac
    +23
    14 August 2012 09: 03
    I chose the 2nd option. All these liberal democrats oppose a strong Russia, every day they relish another setback in our country and oragzmatically fall for their standard - the United States. Putin is not yet herbal in the country in terms of political. Opposition for 4 years of pseudo-presidency Madvedev was not honored to show the people the new leader. A leader not only in words, but also in deeds. And the words "Khutin Pui" and "PZHIV-PZHIV-PZHIV" will not go far.
    1. Kshatriy
      +21
      14 August 2012 09: 51
      Quote: thatupac
      Ogzmatically fap on their standard - the United States.

      S.Sh.A --- the standard of democracy ..... ha ha ha ..... Yesterday in New York 12 (twelve) police officers drove a niger with a knife into a corner ... and shot like a dog. ..the celebration of democracy in pin-getting ... !!!
      1. Winter
        +22
        14 August 2012 11: 24
        Kshatriy,
        But the batman of the pope was accused of espionage because he leaked the pontiff’s personal correspondence! .. So who is the pope, is he a man of God or the Führer, who has a lot of secret plans and plans! The batman is awaiting trial, and there is no question of forgiveness at all!
        1. Crocus
          +9
          14 August 2012 18: 32
          Winter,
          I have a big suspicion that the father financially took part in a run over the Patriarch. Papa’s money - hens don’t peck! So do not blame the competitor. Dads have been doing this for 2 thousand years, more than enough experience!
    2. wall
      +5
      14 August 2012 09: 59
      Offhand, name 3 non-liberal ministers in Putin’s government.
      1. thatupac
        +10
        14 August 2012 11: 08
        When Kudrin and Illarionov were torn away from the Kremlin Feeder, having fired, they immediately became truth-minded liberals. Why? Just like Nemtsov and Kasyanov in their years they began: they didn’t pay extra ... That's the whole answer.
    3. +17
      14 August 2012 11: 21
      Quote: thatupac
      I chose the 2nd option. All these liberal democrats are opposed to a strong Russia, every day they relish the next failure in our country and they overshadow their standard - the USA


      They have a special sales. After all, the abundance of various comments on the Internet is not very diverse! And it doesn’t matter if their hamster people skillfully play on emotions or is it army of bots which bring Twitter TAGS to the tops and fill some groups in contact
      1. +8
        14 August 2012 11: 37
        For the lazy, the generator in general is:
        http://www.leventov.ru/intellectual-comment.html
        1. +13
          14 August 2012 11: 59
          Quote: urzul
          For the lazy, the generator in general is:


          The generator is super! Typical bot spammer
          1. +2
            14 August 2012 14: 08
            Quote: Ascetic
            The generator is super! Typical bot spammer

            Yes, of course, work is being done on Russia and a powerful attack began before the presidential election.
            But, as they say, where it subtly breaks there.
            Luzhkov in Austria, Borodin in London, etc. these are those who are by ear, and sitting, probably for everyone, Khodorkovsky.
            1. Ruff
              +10
              14 August 2012 15: 33
              saturn.mmm,
              This financial genius in general should not have been sitting for a long time, but lying!
              1. +3
                14 August 2012 17: 02
                Quote: Ruff
                This financial genius in general should not have been sitting for a long time, but lying!

                It’s possible to lie, but there’s only one question?
                Corruption of officials is rotten statehood, and it EXISTS whether we want it or not, and there is no effective counteraction. And the enemies climb where they see a weak spot, that's what I wanted to express.
        2. with
          +7
          14 August 2012 14: 23
          Quote: urzul
          For the lazy, the generator in general is:
          http://www.leventov.ru/intellectual-comment.html

          In a pancake k.z.ly. woodpeckers .......
          Yes, for this all head must be torn off! am
          Interestingly, is there an anti-generator?
        3. +1
          15 August 2012 22: 12
          Quote: urzul
          For the lazy, the generator in general is:
          http://www.leventov.ru/intellectual-comment.html


          There are more bots on the Internet than real people. The US has already turned the Internet into a garbage can with its information war. By their persistence they will achieve that forums and all kinds of social networks there will be closed, since there will be no one left except for bots. Here on mail.ru it came to the point that bots with type bots were fighting. Previously, there was a program that self-trained for a conversation (from the keyboard) with a person. Such an interesting thing, and now, on this principle, Internet robots are being built.
  5. -4
    14 August 2012 09: 04
    Everywhere in Russia, there’s a wedge everywhere. Around an honest man there are obstacles and ambushes. One can endlessly list the problems of ordinary Russians, and they were created not by the State Department, but by local snickering officials and security officials. The most important enemy is sitting inside Russia, Putin has been talking on TV for 12 years on the fight against corruption, and it only flourishes and takes on unimaginable proportions.
    1. +2
      14 August 2012 09: 14
      uh, what are you making so much noise?
      not the king’s touch
    2. ZKBM-BUT
      +6
      14 August 2012 09: 45
      corruption by laws alone and presidential decrees cannot be defeated. very much, if not to say the majority, depends on the people themselves on the ground. all the necessary laws have long been written - the commandments are called. they are enough for a person. and at least do something to the animal - vseravod it. and Putin has nothing to do with it.
      1. Mikado
        +5
        14 August 2012 10: 15
        well, that's right, why generally accept the Criminal Code, if we have commandments, let the country live by them, well, nothing that is not included in the number of commandments, for example, treason, violence, etc., nothing that we have a multi-confessional country and many confessions of these There are no commandments, we will live by them, right? In fact, corruption is the only thing that can be defeated by the most severe (up to the death penalty) decrees and laws, and there are a lot of examples of this, but I do not know of any examples when corruption was defeated by dumping this struggle on local people. It would be interesting to hear how a person on the spot will fight corruption, when all levels of government in this "place" are corrupt, goes to write complaints from one corrupt official to another? only the president can invent such garbage in order to smear himself.

        From a direct line with the president:

        -You said that corrupt officials should be hanged, so pass laws and hang them up.
        -You didn’t listen to me, but I said that this is not our method.
    3. +2
      14 August 2012 11: 07
      the only weapon against corruption is glasnost and democracy, democracy (please do not confuse with American democracy, they have perverted this concept and vulgarized it). In the next few centuries, all of humanity will live in authoritarian regimes, and we can’t get anywhere from this.
      1. Beck
        -3
        14 August 2012 14: 31
        Forget it.

        The fact that in the future there will be only authoritarian power is not in that direction. The development of civilization is going in exactly the opposite direction. Authoritarian power, by birthright, is tsarist, royal, khanate. From these forms of government civilization began to depart from the time of the Dutch and French revolutions in the 16-17 centuries.
        Now power in most of the world is elective. This is when a non-liking president is not elected to power in the next election. Those leaders who do not hold free elections, they are authoritarian today.
        The Arab world woke up from totalitarianism. He did not want to have leaders over whom he did not choose, who had taken power in the past by force and did not want to hold free elections. This is Tunisia, Libya, Egypt. Free elections were held in these countries and the people chose who they wanted.
        The people of Syria also want free elections, but Bashar al-Assad, like Kadaffi, does not want to lose his illegal power and pours the blood of his people. So that he doesn’t pour blood, he can do simple. Say: - Allah is with you, live as you can, choose whoever you want. And leave. After all, the banks have enough money. And the blood would not pour. Or take part in FREE elections, or maybe they will choose and then he will be LEGITIMATE.
        1. +3
          14 August 2012 15: 44
          Authoritarian regimes do not stand still and are also developing. In the US, absolutely free elections and Americans can choose anyone, but just do not forget all the finances in the hands of business tycoons and big bosses of TNCs, so that the president will fulfill their will, not the will of the Americans. The same thing in Europe, they can choose anyone, but all their presidents will fulfill the will of the overseas masters, and do not defend the interests of Europe with a vengeance. The fact that America is fighting with the whole world is the result of the fact that private business has long bought up all the power of America. But about the CIS countries, I am silent you yourself know everything.
          1. Beck
            -5
            14 August 2012 16: 25
            Forget it.

            In fact. And who should have finances, if not financiers and major companies. Athletes or housewives. According to their definition, finance should be with those who deal with them.
            Yes, the president looks back at the financial component. So do all the leaders of the countries of the world. Finance is the blood of the economy.
            If you follow your calculations, Obama is some kind of wrong president. Recently, so many banks went bankrupt and imposed huge fines on other banks. And just yesterday, through his supervisory authorities, he took up arms against one of the largest Anglo-American banks in the world for the unworthy operations of this bank with Iran.
            And it’s not logical at all. A bunch of bigwigs who bought everything in the world. Everything and everyone turns as he wants. Well, she doesn’t play democracy, why do they need some kind of Obama. Everything is in their hands. And why would not one of his own be put on the throne? After all, there is no democracy. And to dissolve those dissatisfied with handouts, after all a lot of money. And why every four years for the election, wasting money.
            1. Nose
              +11
              14 August 2012 16: 52
              Quote: Beck
              . And why every four years for the election, wasting money.

              Yes, so that people do not stir up competitors, as against Mubarak or Gaddafi!
              In the end, the one who does not know is strong! hi
              1. Beck
                -5
                14 August 2012 17: 13
                The nose.

                So they are bigwigs, their chickens don’t peck at their money. Gagged all over the money. And business then. They are bigwigs, why should they hide behind a screen. After all, everyone knows that they are turning over to everyone. If you didn’t know.
                1. Crocus
                  +8
                  14 August 2012 18: 41
                  Beck,
                  Quote: Beck
                  After all, everyone knows that they are turning everything over

                  This knowledge is too indirect, but if you personify power, you will have to solve not only the problem of its retention, but also spend money on social policy, carrot and stick. Rome on this burned out! But no army can stand against the crowd, knock anyone down! .. If the bouza begins in America, who will the blatant mass blame? .. Is it right - the president, the government, governors, etc. But the puppeteer is always in the shade, he’s a bribe from him. Will change the avatars in the white house and the masses will calm down. At least until next time! ..
          2. +13
            14 August 2012 22: 13
            Quote: Forget
            In the US, absolutely free elections and Americans can choose anyone


            England is a democracy, but the queen sits there, the House of Lords rules (and I am silent about the rights of the Irish).
            Spain is a democracy, but the king sits there.
            USA is a democracy but the president is elected by indirect, non-secret, non-universal suffrage by a minority of votes.
            Now it’s clear why Russia, where the president is elected by direct, secret and universal suffrage, cannot be called democracy in any way.

            “Hello, you are being disturbed from the Population Poll Center.” We have two for you
            a question. First, how do you feel about the presidential candidate from the ruling party?
            - In my opinion, this is a hardware official torn away from the people who cannot be called even smart ....
            - Thank you, now the second question. How did you buy a car last year?
            - Uh ... so I say, this is a top class statesman,
            which can only be called a genius!

            The primitive system - no one can be forced to be a slave.
            Slave system - there are slaves, but they need to be fed, watered and forced to work.
            Serfdom - slaves feed and water themselves, but still they must be forced to work.
            Wild capitalism - slaves themselves come into slavery, feed themselves and drink themselves, and make themselves work.
            "Free world" - slaves themselves come into slavery, feed themselves and drink themselves, and make themselves work. Moreover, they consider themselves free and they like it.
            1. Beck
              -5
              14 August 2012 22: 54
              Ascetic.

              You do not agree a little. England democracy. The queen is a tradition, she has no power, only ceremonial functions. The rights of the Irish in Northern Ireland are basically a centuries-old conflict of movements in Christianity - Catholics and Protestants.
              The king in Spain is also a ceremonial figure, there is no power. Only signs resignations and appointments as prescribed by parliament.
              In the United States, a system of electors has developed. This is when a certain number of people, voters who want to vote for this particular candidate, cast their votes - all for, to one person - the elector. Which puts all the voices in one basket. The elector does not have the right to arbitrarily put votes in another basket. That's all.
            2. 0
              22 August 2012 21: 29
              Ascetic,
              I agree +++. All Western democracy is a lie in a beautiful package.
        2. +4
          14 August 2012 18: 40
          It is not Assad who pours the blood, but his opponents -Alkaida, mercenaries funded by Nato, and the Saudis, as well as other bastards. Assad is a true democrat, although he inherited power
    4. +15
      14 August 2012 12: 11
      Quote: bairat
      Putin has been talking on TV for 12 years on the fight against corruption, and it only flourishes and takes on an unimaginable scale.


      Put a tick in the generator proposed urzul Corruption was established on the position and we get a comment

      And this squalor is all that a country that 50 years ago launched a man into space can boast of? It took Putin 11 years to build it? Well: we are waiting for 2022, when Putin will build a second plant. Author, stupid, stupid person, what are you writing about? Look outside!

      or such here ..
      And who will work? All specialists have long either drunk or left the country. Just remember the gap between the incomes of the poor and the rich, the amount of corruption, the state of law enforcement and the judiciary, the failures of the military-industrial complex, the weird (let's say) government attempts to protect health and education, and in the end, for a snack, remember the online photo of the government box in the Duma made during Putin’s report and for the most-appetizer - a photo of a trio of sitters made during the May 9 parade. Yeah, the fight against corruption. Bees against honey. Do you believe that yourself?
      1. 11Goor11
        +3
        14 August 2012 13: 52
        laughing Ascetic, I noticed this too. Like a carbon copy! State Department robots really use this generator!
        1. -2
          14 August 2012 19: 29
          Change the picture on a nickname, do not shame your shortsightedness, the Coat of Arms of the country to which modern Russia with the current leadership stomp and stomp ...
          1. 11Goor11
            +1
            15 August 2012 19: 45
            In fact, this is the emblem of the Ukrainian SSR, as living in Ukraine and born in this very USSR, I have every right.
            And what is my shortsightedness, will you not be kind enough to clarify?
      2. +1
        22 August 2012 21: 33
        Ascetic,
        +++ The brains of the universal people soar with their shit. What kind of money have they allotted to fight us and against us? I wish they were spent on people's needs.
    5. Beck
      -3
      14 August 2012 14: 10
      Bayrath.

      Here I agree with you.
    6. Oleg Rosskiyy
      +5
      14 August 2012 22: 12
      Quote: bairat
      The main enemy sits inside Russia

      I talked like that with a friend who sells medicines. So he told me: “Putin doesn’t do anything, he doesn’t fight corruption, he covers up officials, in short, he cannot establish elementary order in the country.” To which I asked him if he was checking the authenticity the drugs he sells, because so many counterfeit goods are imported, and he tells me, no, but why?
      That's all the moral, people themselves do not care about each other, but if God forbid them themselves, the "roast cock" will bite somewhere, then of course, we must quickly look for someone to blame.
      1. Homer
        +11
        14 August 2012 22: 57
        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        but he tells me no, why?

        And if he is jailed for selling fakes, he will immediately declare himself a political prisoner, and then he will write the gulag archipelago where Putin will surpass Stalin, Hitler, and even Dracula!
  6. +45
    14 August 2012 09: 04
    I will express my personal opinion. I am not at all opposed to lowering the "iron curtain" if it will save my children from gay pride parades and other values ​​of modern democracy.
    For me personally, democracy is a utopia that cannot exist in human society.
    I don’t give a damn about PR, with great pleasure I would put my signature on the appeal to all the media - forget them and never remember.
    The Olympics showed an insufficient level in certain sports, but even those who arrived are great fellows! All a low bow.
    If you remove the medals won by the Africans from the USA, as well as from Britain, then little remains, and it is not known which of the African countries will take their place.
    By the way, she noticed that Germany and France played a lot of Arabs.
    1. staser
      +6
      14 August 2012 09: 30
      I am not at all opposed to lowering the "iron curtain" if it saves my children from gay pride parades and other values ​​of modern democracy.

      In my opinion, in the modern world, the "iron curtain" can drastically weaken the state, which lowers it, which can subsequently lead to the death of the state.
      [quoteIf you remove the medals won by the Africans from the United States, as well as from Britain, then little remains, and it is not known which African country will take their place.

      And if you collect the medals of all countries of the former USSR, it turns out that the USSR is in first place (46 gold, 45 silver, 70 bronze, a total of 161 medals - I counted in haste, I can cut a thread somewhere). But there is no USSR, and the Africans who stand for the United States were most likely born in the United States, and not in Africa, and lived there, so these are full-fledged representatives of this country
  1. +18
    14 August 2012 09: 41
    Quote: staser
    In my opinion, in the modern world, the "iron curtain" can drastically weaken the state, which lowers it, which can subsequently lead to the death of the state.

    And no one offers clumsy work. Everything must be done correctly.
    Quote: staser
    and Africans who stand for the United States were most likely born in the United States,

    You thought that you would contradict me, but in fact, you said the same thing - in other words. The article meant the negative attitude of OCH not of Slavic appearance, and the use of this as a reason to be hysterical. Although on the subject of the United States no one shouted anything like that wink
  • +7
    14 August 2012 09: 46
    also note that for the former Russian regions republics of the USSR are mainly русские Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians, so the summation is more than appropriate
  • +7
    14 August 2012 10: 03
    By the way, she noticed that Germany and France played a lot of Arabs.

    You better see how many Germany and GDR before the medals received.
    But what is interesting to me is, if you add up the results of all the former republics of the USSR, then you get more than 160 medals. WHAT IS IT LIKE?
    1. +8
      14 August 2012 10: 21
      Andrey, I didn't understand about "IT'S HOW?" Just add the results according to the final table: Russia + Belarus + Kazakhstan = 108 medals, of which 34 are "gold". If we add up all the medals of all the former Union Republics at this Olympics, then more than 160 will be released (if you believe the official data, then 164). If I'm wrong, you can count.
      1. +3
        14 August 2012 11: 08
        Quote: Volodin
        Russia + Belarus + Kazakhstan = y

        This calculation is not entirely correct. From the country, for example, you can declare 1 boxer in the weight category, and the rest have a rest. As a result, one medal. Only one could travel from the USSR. Take 17 former republics and add boxers medals request
        Why do some Russian athletes change their citizenship (Belarus, Kazakhstan, .....) For Russia to the Olympics, they will never qualify for the world championship (sometimes, being more "strong" sad ), and for Kazakhstan, if it is worthy, then go ahead.
    2. +12
      14 August 2012 10: 21
      Quote: urzul
      You better see how many Germany and GDR before the medals received.

      This is yes.
      Just before or did not pay attention, or still an unambiguous trend is emerging.
    3. Nickname
      0
      14 August 2012 10: 32
      And so, we must also take into account quotas for participants
      1. +1
        14 August 2012 10: 54
        Quotas for quotas, and domestic selections for what? Do we have fewer 160 people on the team?
        1. +12
          14 August 2012 11: 15
          I also saw a version of the calculation, in which the rating was considered proportional to the total population of the country))))
          China, of course, turned out to be the most nondescript picture)))
          1. +2
            14 August 2012 11: 46
            Quote: Aventurinka
            I also saw a version of the calculation, in which the rating was considered proportional to the total population of the country))))
            China, of course, turned out to be the most nondescript picture)))

            GDR was mentioned here. Sport in this country was a state policy!
            Parameters, proportions of arms, legs, etc. were taken from each baby. It was recommended what kind of sport it is preferable to engage in and where it will be able to show maximum results. Not a single TALENTED child was lost. East Germany fought on equal terms with the United States and the USSR. Now the experience of the GDR and the USSR is used by China. And here, we destroyed all the sports of the school and dispersed all the coaches. Now everything is starting to reborn. Why Germany did not adopt the experience of the GDR is the question!
  • wall
    +4
    14 August 2012 10: 07
    Quote: Aventurinka
    By the way, she noticed that Germany and France played a lot of Arabs.


    This is their multinational community, albeit formed very recently. For Russia, there were a lot of Caucasian peoples, Tatars, Mordovians, Bashkirs, etc., etc. So what is the difference? Negroes among the British (shattered) or Caucasians with us? So do not distort. Everything was honest. They took fourth place. So they deserve it.
    1. +29
      14 August 2012 10: 18
      So explain to me then why they all have it is normal and good, but we have a reason to accuse the authorities of all mortal sins?
      1. Winter
        +19
        14 August 2012 11: 06
        Aventurinka,
        Because psychopaths are always the loudest! And do not look for a reasonable answer from them, do not wait, the logic for them is an empty phrase! fool
  • +8
    14 August 2012 10: 35
    Quote: Aventurinka
    I will express my personal opinion. I am not at all opposed to lowering the "iron curtain" if it will save my children from gay pride parades and other values ​​of modern democracy.

    No, we do not need a curtain, but a good, small filter mesh. So that all the dregs that exist are filtered out, and the fact that there is good and necessary, and there are a lot of such, passed freely to us
    1. +21
      14 August 2012 10: 43
      Well, you can still consider the option proposed by Mayakovsky in 1926 wink
      You bastard, Colomb, -
      I will say in honor.
      As for me,
      then i would
      in person -
      I would have closed America
      lightly brushed
      and then
      opened again -
      secondarily.
  • Che
    Che
    +7
    14 August 2012 11: 45
    Aventurinka,
    At one time, the West created an iron curtain around the USSR, created dozens of institutes working to break up the country, special services of all NATO countries, and economic pressure not only from the west, but also from other states forced by the amers to do so. You think it has stopped. In no case, the West and other rats are even more aggressively working on the collapse of now RUSSIA. A corrupt bureaucrat who transferred the bablos abroad, bought real estate there, added his own children, will pour water on the devil's mill. Our task is not to bend under the amers and his rats. Down with corrupt officials and their advocates, down with NGOs with Alekseevs and bulk and other rats. To restore order in the country for the survival of the nation.
    1. +11
      14 August 2012 12: 46
      TOTALLY FOR.
      Quote: Che
      the west created an iron curtain around the USSR,

      But I put a slightly different meaning in the phrase "Iron Curtain". This is not a policy of isolating an unwanted country, but a policy of self-isolation of the country, in order to exclude negative external influences during internal events.
    2. Sphere
      +12
      14 August 2012 13: 00
      These institutions exist and work for an hour, they all do so that the brother went against his brother — his son against his father !!! They are everywhere in the media and in nutrition and even in our brains ... God forbid war and no one will go to war, because they did all their work .... They washed the youth of the brain that they are happy for Obama to vote ... This is our current situation to overthrow the government and launch NATO .... angry
  • +2
    14 August 2012 12: 27
    Quote: Aventurinka
    For me personally, democracy is a utopia that cannot exist in human society.


    Aventurinka, I associate with the word "utopia" something lofty and unattainable, doomed to collapse precisely because of the viciousness of human society.
    Democracy causes quite the opposite associations.
    1. +12
      14 August 2012 12: 41
      Quote: Flood
      Aventurinka, I associate with the word "utopia" something lofty and unattainable, doomed to collapse precisely because of the viciousness of human society.

      And there is. I have exactly the same associations with this word. But you cannot take the substitution of concepts for truth. The very meaning of the word "democracy" was taken away; this does not mean that the word itself has changed the meaning. But in its original version, "democracy" was and remains precisely a utopia.
      Here is my opinion request
      It's like the words blue, pink, solstice, etc. I see a rainbow and some associations are already asking themselves. I drive them to the goblin with a wet broom, such associations. smile
  • Shulz-1955
    +3
    14 August 2012 15: 27
    If the blacks were in favor of China, then .....
    1. Crocus
      +9
      14 August 2012 18: 44
      Quote: Shulz-1955

      If the blacks were in favor of China, then ...

      Soon, China will take over Africa and the blacks it will be above the roof! Toli blackroots, roofing felts of China? ..
  • Brother Sarych
    -1
    14 August 2012 09: 04
    Are you sure that this author read those whom he undertook to oppose? I got the impression that he was having a conversation with himself ...
    Not a single pain point in the article has been touched - empty material designed for a person who is not familiar with the topic ...
    1. +24
      14 August 2012 09: 26
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Not a single pain point in the article is affected - empty material,

      Pain points affect Bolotnaya, making a rating for themselves, and the state and government in particular are trying poorly and poorly to solve these pain points !!!!!!!! It's easy to shout while sitting on the sofa that Putin is to blame for everything, only Putin is in Russia, and those who until recently have shouted a lot and insistently that problems need to be solved in Russia are now sitting in London. And my grandmother screams in such a way that, having American citizenship, she represents the interests of Russian citizens. I didn’t do it as my representative and I don’t think anyone will say anything about the site that she represents Russia.
      1. dmb
        +7
        14 August 2012 10: 15
        In one of your previous comments, you called for being objective. Let's try. Let's start with a comment. Judging by it, you think that the entire opposition is reduced to swindlers Nemtsov and Navalny. and the rogue-mad old woman Alekseeva. If that were the case, then I think. no one in power would bother with this. But besides this, no one in the power of the not frightening (and in many respects useful to her) group of crooks, there are others. For some reason, these others do not like the fact that in an oil and gas and electric producing country, its citizens pay more for the use of these resources than citizens of other such countries. They do not like that the wives of our ministers "earn" hundreds of millions a year, not really knowing where the production is located where they work so successfully. They do not like the fact that the disabled who fought for the integrity of the country receive a miserable amount, and the bandits who made them disabled are quietly traveling around the country and are POWER. There are many other things they don't like. And now their power is afraid. And therefore articles appear. like this. Let's be honest, the article is empty. What new things have you learned for yourself? That "Echo of Moscow" doesn't like Putin and like convicted hoes? Or that medals should be counted not in the way that the IOC previously thought, but in the way that Deputy Prime Minister Zhukov decided? (Flag in his hands). Believe me, these two discoveries of Mr. Volodin are irrelevant for the solution of the problems I have listed above. But their solution is hushed up in the article for very specific reasons. Both you and I and even Mr. Volodin know them.
        1. +5
          14 August 2012 11: 47
          Quote: dmb
          But their decision in the article is hushed up for very specific reasons. You know them, and I and even Mr. Volodin.

          I don’t like when people earn points on difficulties and grief (Krymsk). When people are called for revolution, those for whom the Motherland is an empty phrase. But I support those who care about the country, and do not bring it down. All the emphasis is on Putin, there will be no Putin and we will live like in paradise, oh well, right away. If Putin outweighed some of the officials about whom you Say, I would have erected a monument to him. And I, like you, do not like to pay for gasoline, it’s unreasonably high, but I don’t trade the Motherland in the interests of others. With respect
          1. dmb
            +3
            14 August 2012 11: 56
            And I don’t trade my homeland. But nothing is said about Krymsk in my comment. It does not even say anything about Putin. And if you associate the solution to these problems with his name, then be objective.
          2. Beck
            -2
            14 August 2012 14: 50
            Alexander Romanov.

            It is not my business, of course, to discuss not my president. But in general terms. It seems to me some, and you too confuse or do not interpret many people's claims to power. The question is not that after Putin everything will be fine, but why a lot has not been done in 12 years of power.
      2. Nickname
        +4
        14 August 2012 10: 36
        Alexander, explain, are these people with the marsh form the budget? Are they making laws? Are they appointing their people to key posts?
        that's what a squiggle comes out
        1. +5
          14 August 2012 11: 36
          Quote: Nickname
          form a budget?

          What are the budget claims specifically?
          Quote: Nickname
          They make laws

          They yell about Putin’s betrayal, but they themselves receive money from behind the hill. Yes, and the adopted law on NGOs, the orange shit behaved coolly.
          Quote: Nickname
          your people to key posts?
          that's what a squiggle comes out

          It will be really bad if they put people with a swamp, the country will be very quickly destroyed. Mr. Nemtsov was already in power, and I remember it well, I judge by business, and not by beautiful and loud words.
          1. Oleg0705
            +1
            14 August 2012 11: 52
            Alexander Romanov,

            + + + +
    2. -8
      14 August 2012 14: 15
      Brother Sarych

      I agree. Not an article, but a hysterical provocation.
      Besides, the name "Did you order the alarmists? .. (Poll)", and the vote was about the "iron curtain". The discrepancy is obvious.
      Nothing but another "witch hunt" and the message that the GDP is
      I did not see the face of the Saints.
      I would like to see articles not of zombies, but of people who actually see and know the situation in the country.
  • thatupac
    +9
    14 August 2012 09: 09
    Yes, people themselves from the bottom up and encourage corruption when they pay separately for attaching their child to a good nursery, kindergarten or an elite school. About the purchase of white military tickets for the slope from the Army - I generally am silent. It is not worth blaming the mirror if the mug is crooked, however.
  • +23
    14 August 2012 09: 09
    And even if it is "neo-Stalinism". The point is shaken by those who grabbed not like a child or are used to using a "hairy" hand and "vertebral" right. And in some areas of our life, the "iron" curtain would be very helpful. Recently, they have often begun to confuse democracy with permissiveness, stupidly adopting Western life values. And I do not see anything terrible in the fact that the country will defend its independence in opinions and an original culture of life, not looking back at the degenerates from the "democratic" camp.
    1. +6
      14 August 2012 09: 21
      Supporting ++++++++++
    2. thatupac
      +8
      14 August 2012 09: 28
      It seems to me that democracy, in our current understanding, is anarchy in law. Not otherwise.
    3. +18
      14 August 2012 10: 31
      IRBIS
      And even if only "neo-Stalinism". The point is shaken by those who grabbed not like a child or are used to using a "hairy" hand and "vertebral" right.

      Alexander my applause with a plus. good
      1. Mikula
        -5
        14 August 2012 12: 58
        CITIZENS - YOU DO NOT LIKE NEIGHBORS - CONTACT THREE WITH COMPLAINTS. So far the neighbor has not declared you. For severe punishment is waiting for a latecomer!
      2. 0
        22 August 2012 21: 43
        DEMENTIY,
        There were clearly less bribe takers. This is good for the country. Not for liberals. fellow
    4. +7
      14 August 2012 10: 38
      Alexander (IRBIS), very competently summarized. +++++

      Recently, an open, very impudent information war has begun, moreover, in some cases, a well-thought out and, in some cases, dirty (in a hurry), i.e. they don’t even think about exposing and sometimes lacking elementary logic. So the task is to attack from all sides, to do it constantly and as long as possible, and as practice unfortunately showed, those who wanted to raise this banner of rotten dermocracy were found in our country, and among young people.

      In this light, demonstrative and operational amendments to the law, then their very quick application and an attempt to turn public opinion in the right direction are better than not doing anything.

      The next and very important step should be the revival of patriotic upbringing of children, and here you need to be very competent to approach and measure it seven times, and then cut it off, otherwise we can get the opposite effect.
      1. Che
        Che
        +3
        14 August 2012 11: 57
        smrus,
        For green candy wrappers, they will water their own people. If there are no brakes, write lost. Authorities at all levels need to fight for the country, and not play along with the amers and their rats.
    5. borisst64
      +11
      14 August 2012 10: 39
      Quote: IRBIS
      And even if only "neo-Stalinism".


      The words of the grandfather of the past war:
      The German ruined everything almost to the Volga, and Putin had a harder time; everything was ruined to Kamchatka.
  • Volkh
    -19
    14 August 2012 09: 26
    The voice of the people is dangerous when truth is heard in it.
    Greek saying.
    As for the article, I would put for it 2.
    In general, since the site is called Military Review, I propose moving away from political topics to more specialized ones for us.
    All the same, politicians are not sitting here.
    Do not spawn flood with these articles.
    The author is a minus to you.
    1. teplal
      +1
      14 August 2012 10: 42
      (Volkh) The voice of the people? True? What nation is the truth from? I’ll bring a bunch of sayings and jokes as truth !!! Try to argue with arguments! I did not like the article;
      1. Volkh
        0
        16 August 2012 16: 12
        Sorry, but you are flawed, I do not want to talk to you.
  • Evil Tatar
    +6
    14 August 2012 09: 28
    Delivered an article minus, and here's why:

    It seems that the message of the article is positive, calling for a sober assessment of the opinion of the allegedly majority of the politically active population of the country about the need for a "curtain" ... There are some prompts in the text, but the question is, why do we need hints? I felt someone's hand leading me to the "correct" action - to press the button ... Damn ... I barely managed to pull her (hand).
    I believe that the questions posed in the "Poll" can easily be used in isolation from the article itself and its discussion ...
    How can I know exactly what and how power is doing to ensure that there is a curtain?
    Put the questions differently:
    “You, behind the curtain, and why?”
    “You, against the curtain, and why?”
    etc. - will go ...

    The "curtain" cannot be in the form it was in the USSR, but it must reflect security issues in all spheres of life in real Russia.
    It would be better for the author to analyze the laws and other acts of UWB services and other advanced countries to restrict the movement of their citizens and non-citizens of the category who clearly and secretly need to restrict the exit or entry of those technologies or intellectual property that are not by no means can you even get closer to the borders ...
    If, in truth, THERE have long had their own iron curtain in places and abruptly than in the USSR ...
    After all, we know that statements about the end of the Cold War are just lies (misinformation) pouring from the filthy mouths of Democrats on both sides ... And the purpose of the lies is clear - the free circulation of raw materials, money, stocks, fat bodies with stinking little souls of aligarchy, nomenclature and their comrades-in-arms, bastards and offspring ...
    It is worth adding to this about the political declarations of the rulers on both sides about the absence of such a war, which are not based on reality. The mere confusion of the word "Reload" with the word "Overload" causes laughter and surprise, together with M. Zadornov ...
    Are they really so stupid that before putting the button on the world television screens, they did not find among more than 10 million Russian-speaking people, a competent philologist ...
    All these lists of Magnitsky, the laws of "Dzhenik-broom" (hee-hee) are the signs of their totalitarianism, against the background of declarative democracy.

    The article is a minus, because there is a flaw.

    And, I forgot to write that I am FOR the curtain and censorship of the media, FOR the creation of the ideology of the development of Russia, FOR the war before the Victory with any enemies of Russia, both inside and outside ... In short - I am for the USSR!
    1. +4
      14 August 2012 09: 56
      Salute, Eugene! I put the article plus and you plus, pal, but did not vote because I share the words of the forum member that such an iron curtain, as in memorable times, is now not needed and will not work. Yes, and it is fraught ...
      And I agree with the opinion of Aventurinka - that clumsy work is not needed by anyone and everything must be done consistently and competently. It goes without saying that barriers to many "universal human values" that the West push through us in all sorts of bright covers is necessary because it threatens with the same distortions as there - in the west.
    2. +2
      14 August 2012 10: 05
      Agree with you. The article is not finalized. There’s nothing to vote for!
  • +6
    14 August 2012 09: 44
    Does anyone else get offended by the advertisements of Rosneft (or Gazprom) when they say that we are in first place in terms of gas production and among the leaders in terms of its reserves? It just infuriates me in the context of the fact that the price of gas for the population is constantly growing, in the United States it turns out to be cheaper. Are the swamps to blame for this? And the fact that we sell electricity to China at 1.3 rubles per kilowatt, and to ours at four, and then we wonder "why is our industry not working?" Are Novodvorskaya and Navalny to blame?
    1. Evil Tatar
      +7
      14 August 2012 10: 15
      Quote: bairat
      And the fact that we sell electricity to China at 1.3 rubles per kilowatt, and to ours at four, and then we wonder "why is our industry not working?" Are Novodvorskaya and Navalny to blame?

      I even heard that 90 cents per kW ...
      And I thought about a cunning scheme of theft:
      After all, electricity (current) has a beginning. but has no end, i.e. there is always current in the system, if the generator is spinning, and the metering is carried out using two devices - the outgoing consumption meter and the input on the Chinese side, there should be an arithmetic mean number of energy consumed ...
      But the system. should or possibly have a ring with a return to the territory of Russia ...
      And then, theoretically, a consumer (China) can become a supplier and recuperate electricity back via a counter to Russia, but at a different branch and price ... Taking into account all the serious ones (shortage of power, transportation losses, etc.), There is a possibility of washing babos ...
      That is, for example, the Supplier (Russia) sold electricity to China at a price of 0,9 rubles. per kW, and bought recovery (return) at a price of 2,5 rubles. per kW. China returned the difference to the hands of Cachem Supply Administrators, plus the population paid for this recovery in their networks at a price of 2,85 rubles, and enterprises almost 4,0 rubles. per kW ...
      Почему нет?
      Now about gas for the population.
      At export price natural gas to Europe - $ 500 per 1000 mXNUMX,
      Russian consumer (citizen) pays for 1000 mb. liquefied gas 3500 dollars ... It is clear that during the 285 years of operation of each home meter, but there is no difference ... Is it conceivable that the added cost of liquefaction, transportation and maintenance of distribution infrastructure can be, taking into account the cost of production and transportation to a gas-liquefied plant 150 dollars / 1000 m2300. - XNUMX%

      We are naya .... and naya ... and Host I suppose he doesn’t know ...

      But national guardians declare that hydrocarbons are the property of Russia and its people.
      1. +3
        14 August 2012 10: 36
        ..... And everything is simple, as in the "Olympic advertising" - "I WANT ZOITA!" , and she, -ROSNEFT, has it, in currency terms.,
    2. Beck
      -3
      14 August 2012 15: 00
      Bayrath.

      Sorry for past harsh words. I respect.
  • Volkh
    +1
    14 August 2012 09: 45
    I wonder what the fuck without arguments minus?
  • +3
    14 August 2012 09: 47
    Well, about neo-Stalinism here, of course, everyone bent between the era of take-off under Stalin, and there is nothing in common even to compare, Stalin did it in one jacket, and created a superpower, with colossal capabilities, just the same Stalin’s methods are not enough for us .. ..You wouldn’t recognize the country for 5 years, and the fleet would be renewed with the army and the fifth column removed ... And today they drank the grayness there and talked about modernization and that’s all ....
  • Volkh
    0
    14 August 2012 09: 47
    Quote: thatupac
    Yes, people themselves from the bottom up and encourage corruption when they pay separately for attaching their child to a good nursery, kindergarten or an elite school. About the purchase of white military tickets for the slope from the Army - I generally am silent. It is not worth blaming the mirror if the mug is crooked, however.

    tell us about the lower people in more detail please.
    from which bottoms? And what do you mean by that.
    I really made a laugh.
    All the same, is it they who breed corruption?
  • 8 company
    +15
    14 August 2012 09: 51
    I agree with the author: various mass psychoses in Russia are flourishing. The liberals are yelling, the Stalinists are screaming - Putin, who is trying to pursue a balanced and adequate policy, is stopping them all. Putin is too left for liberals, too right for Stalinists. Well, what to do - freedom of speech, let them yell and scream further. Cases in the economy, social sphere and other areas of development show steady progressive dynamics, it is worth going to the Federal State Statistics Service and looking at the numbers. And with the naked eye it is clear that the Russians actually live better and better. As one elderly friend of mine who remembered the war said when someone started complaining about her life:
    - In fact, all 2 of these problems - where to put the car and how to lose weight.
    1. Sardanapalus
      +3
      14 August 2012 21: 39
      Quote: Company 8
      In fact, all 2 of these problems - where to put the car and how to lose weight

      Ay yes, granny !!! Ingenious! good
  • Volkh
    -9
    14 August 2012 09: 54
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Pain points affect Bolotnaya, making a rating for themselves, and the state and government in particular are trying poorly and poorly to solve these pain points !!!!!!!! It's easy to shout while sitting on the sofa that Putin is to blame for everything, only Putin is in Russia, and those who until recently have shouted a lot and insistently that problems need to be solved in Russia are now sitting in London. And my grandmother screams in such a way that, having American citizenship, she represents the interests of Russian citizens. I didn’t do it as my representative and I don’t think anyone will say anything about the site that she represents Russia.

    you take off your pink glasses and look at the world, saliva splashes and there’s no sense.
    1. 0
      15 August 2012 23: 49
      That's why such a gorgeous avatar has such a personality? ehh
  • +3
    14 August 2012 09: 57
    let them swear at me now, but in Russia people have become sheep! what is missing? why doesn’t they live? they don’t want to work themselves, but they say with hard mouths that it’s hard to live. People were in Russia and not only in Moscow. Stupidly no one wants to work, they are stupidly sitting. sorry, but there could not be democracy in the post-Soviet space. people aren’t taught this. you look at your country from the side, everyone laughs, although such a power. you want to be like Europeans, but it will not work. No offense, Stalin is not enough for Russia.
    P.S.Russians in Central Asia are different from Russians in Russia and the indigenous population sets them as an example as hardworking and among many citizens
    1. Evil Tatar
      +4
      14 August 2012 10: 38
      Quote: Gentleman
      P.S.Russians in Central Asia are different from Russians in Russia and the indigenous population sets them as an example as hardworking and among many citizens

      Set an example of a farm laborer?
      And then at any moment they will cut off their heads, like sheep?

      I see ...
      1. -4
        14 August 2012 10: 49
        what ??? where is such information ??? in what century do you live ??? if you don’t know why you say such things?
        1. Evil Tatar
          +4
          14 August 2012 11: 48
          Quote: Gentleman
          what ??? where is such information ??? in what century do you live ??? if you don’t know why you say such things?

          From the camel ...
          Relax, hot guy ... Hide your dagger, otherwise I’ll chop it off with a saber ...

          На, читай - http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%93%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B4+%D1%
          80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85+%D0%B2+%D0%91%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83&lr=76

          There are many pages, choose which one you like more ...
          1. -1
            14 August 2012 13: 17
            Listen dear, it’s precisely because of people like you that there is a conflict on a national basis. And leave the Internet for yourself. Without living and not knowing what and how here, do not talk any nonsense.
            1. Evil Tatar
              +3
              14 August 2012 13: 26
              Quote: Gentleman
              Listen, dear, it’s precisely because of people like you that the conflict is taking place on a national basis. And leave the Internet for yourself. Without living and not knowing what and how here, do not talk any nonsense

              Don’t carry the snowstorm ...
              Or maybe I called here Russian rams?

              No need to train me in the ability to distort reality, my brave but quirky younger brother ...

              Watch your tongue, otherwise you will stumble, fall and bite hard ...
              How then will you start to speak Russian? Burr? lol

              What link didn’t like very much? request - such a harsh Truth ...
              1. -1
                14 August 2012 13: 30
                threats)))) you are funny comrade. let it be your way, only I explained about the "ram" and I do not need to train. I’m ready to answer for my words. but regarding reality, then believe me, you do not know much.
          2. -1
            14 August 2012 13: 50
            and what does the link? Baku?
            1. Evil Tatar
              +2
              14 August 2012 15: 06
              Quote: Gentleman
              and what does the link? Baku?


              Oh)))))))), I beg you to excuse me ...

              Пожалуйста про Узбекистан - http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B4+%D1%
              80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85+%D0%B2+%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%
              B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5&lr=76

              Quote: "Russians were cut off their heads and exposed." Uzbekistan. Refugees say that living in the former Soviet Union republics is scary.
              http://beloebratstwo.ucoz.ua/publ/13-1-0-74

              Horseradish radish is not sweeter ...

              Just for all your excuses, I want to ask one question: - find me a link where mass oppression of Uzbeks, Tajiks, Aiserbadzhentsev, etc. took place in Russia. with cutting heads, weaning housing and throwing out old people, women and children into the streets?
              Only there is no need for criminal exceptions and all kinds of "skinheads" - in my opinion, these are already the consequences of the past miraculous actions of the younger brothers, the former RSFSR ...
              Frets?
              1. 0
                14 August 2012 15: 33
                I agree, just come on, I'm ready to invite you to Uzbekistan and show how they treat Russians here, and what is said on the link is full legal. As an example, and last year channel Russia 1 was shown a program where it was said that Uzbeks pretend to be Russians. The Russians of Uzbekistan are very offended by this program, because. It was a complete nonsense order. And as for the Uzbeks, then yes, as a lawyer, I can say that they are being expelled, because. illegally cross the border and this is a violation, but there is a fact of how many people die from Uzbekistan in Russia. and these are not skinheads, these are people who believe that they are citizens, then they decide who to be there. attitude to our passport too interesting. so come on, I apologize for the word "ram", I admit I misused it. but you are also wrong with these links. therefore, I invite you to taste our hospitality and am ready to show what attitude we have towards Russians
                1. Evil Tatar
                  +2
                  14 August 2012 15: 53
                  Quote: Gentleman
                  I agree. Just come on, I’m ready to invite you to Uzbekistan and show how you feel about the Russians here.

                  Thank you for the invitation and I’m ready to take your word for it, especially since I did not intend to incite such disputes and grievances at all ... I asked for it when I wrote about rams ...
                  I have no time to leave, at least in the near future, but I’ll think about it later ... Do not change your mind?
                  As for the stuffing - I agree, everything can be, but it is not without reason that your fellow countrymen travel to cities and villages of Russia ... to earn money? Perhaps not only ...
                  Quote: Gentleman
                  but there is a fact that how many people die from Uzbekistan in Russia. And these are not skinheads, these are people who believe that they are citizens, then they decide who to be there

                  You want to say that your countrymen are dying because of ordinary people?
                  What the hell? They live here calmly, like the Chinese ... Nobody touches them ...

                  They give work (this is about ordinary citizens - women, aunts, grannies), and not about employers ... In addition to money for work, after the main - they give clothes (understanding how we have climate and weather), they treat them with food ...
                  There is no bazaar ... Sometimes your fellow countrymen "shake" it ... Sometimes they don't know how to drink, they just suck through a rag, then they quarrel with the youth - not without it ...
                  They will offend the girls ... Have you thought here they behave like angels? Where there ...
                  I am sure that someone who is supposed to answer for villainy will answer to her love and will not go anywhere.

                  In short - WORLD?

                  Or a truce?
                  1. -1
                    14 August 2012 16: 02
                    Mir.i is always ready to meet. Regarding fellow countrymen, yes, as they say in a strange monastery ... but again, when the young guys have a drink and want adventure, they break without exception, the guys saw, I take their word for it. Therefore, all the same, we must start to jingle ourselves, and when chaos begins, we ourselves must stop it. Yours faithfully, Timur
                    1. Evil Tatar
                      +1
                      15 August 2012 08: 25
                      Quote: Gentleman
                      we must start to make a fuss ourselves, and when chaos begins, we ourselves must stop it. with respect, Timur

                      Seniors are always obliged to suppress everything that is clearly harmful to the future ...
                      Old age is wise in all nations - this is an axiom ... But there are not always exceptions from goodness.
                      We need to be friends ourselves and young people to tune in to understanding the processes not only in the area of ​​residence, but also at a party. Otherwise, everyone because of hostility among themselves - kirdyk. But kirdyk earlier will come to those who are weaker and primarily in spirit, and also who are less ... It's like in a fairy tale about three piglets ...
                      I agree, Timur?

                      Good luck in righteous deeds!
    2. I627z
      +4
      14 August 2012 10: 49
      Oh, these "daredevils" to me through the screen. Swear, but do you need it? For the holy fools, the sick (on the head) and others, in Russia since ancient times, a condescending attitude.
      In your understanding, "to work" is to take revenge on the yards, sell fruit in the market? At this work, the light did not converge like a wedge. It is a pity that you have not yet mastered a different purpose for yourself. By the way, I did not notice the influx of specialists in the world in the areas of production, science, art, literature, sports, etc. immigrants from sunny Uzbekistan. But you can laugh, troll, call rams and give advice about what kind of leader Russia needs. I am very glad that everything in Uzbekistan is already so great and you have nothing to do.
      PS Envy is a great sin.
      1. -1
        14 August 2012 11: 07
        oh yeah, just don’t talk about courage now and believe me I have a higher education and even if I go to you I don’t collect revenge from your yards. this is the first thing. Such a sharp desire to elevate your country comes from the fact that for many years, Russia was also the main one from its development, and much of the other in this region depends.
        There is nothing to envy so far. As for specialists, I would ask you to check this information among athletes, among lawyers, among production workers. This is so, in order of information
        1. +3
          14 August 2012 13: 54
          Looked: Russia is really big and great.
          Checked the information: the yards are sweeping and athletes, and lawyers, and production workers.
          1. -1
            14 August 2012 15: 35
            Everyone can become a janitor, but our athletes also appear in Russia, lawyers who have received education, work in accordance with your legislation
    3. +3
      14 August 2012 11: 29
      I greet you Gentleman, I agree with you, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine and the countries of Central Asia do not need democracy at all. Our mentality is different; we think from the west in a completely different way. Remember tsarist Russia, as soon as the power of the Duma was strengthened there, into which, under the slogans of democracy, the Mensheviks, liberals, democrats, anarchists, everything collapsed. First, the February revolution, which plunged the country into chaos, then immediately the October revolution. Our countries need a man with an iron grip, a person who will be able to put things in order while not looking back to the west and its minions.
      1. 0
        14 August 2012 11: 32
        just history always gives an example. if a weak sovereign, then it becomes chaos. Central Asian countries, Russia, Ukraine are countries where there are many "tribes", clans, and to keep them, you need someone who can sit at the same table.
      2. Che
        Che
        +2
        14 August 2012 12: 09
        Bekzat,
        Here are the results of the Western development model - liberalism is growing stronger. Thus, universal people will get to Uzbekistan.
  • yak69
    +9
    14 August 2012 10: 04
    It is already obvious that the authorities made a mistake with the "puski". It was necessary to conduct an investigation very quickly, "solder" them three years of correctional labor at one of the Siberian resorts (which is closer to the Arctic Circle). And that's it!
    And then they brewed jelly and now, get the result. Is it really incomprehensible to these mediocre Kremlin political instructors that they themselves "adjusted" this informational occasion to the West!
    Now the whole "progressive-pederastic" community, both here and in the West, will rally around the Pusek. All "prominent (gay) cultural figures" are being consolidated. So Alekseeva will soon squeak from her garbage dugout ...
    This booth must be stopped. The girls honestly earned their working three-year period, give them what they should and close the case. Let yourself go with God.
    1. +3
      14 August 2012 15: 47
      Well, let them scream louder to themselves who of normal people is listening to this liberalism? but some have the opportunity to show their true face such as Shevchuk Makarevich and others
  • +6
    14 August 2012 10: 11
    Quote: Gentleman
    but in Russia people became rams

    You yourself ram once you call neighbors. People are the same everywhere, the conditions are different. The same Russians traveling to Europe become law-abiding citizens, do not violate traffic rules, do not give bribes.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 10: 44
      Well, yes, of course, only activists among young people have become few, young people have ceased to value "value", respect among people has disappeared. For example, if you want, when the subway gave way to an adult, they looked like an idiot.
      ps psaran here was not an insult, but it is said that the people stopped thinking and choosing the right one.
    2. +6
      14 August 2012 10: 45
      Yah! Maybe the cops just don’t take bribes there? ........ I don’t throw a goby out of the car in Russia either, I don’t violate traffic rules, by the way I noticed the cleanliness (in summer) on the city streets) Togliatti), and it gets better every year ..... I’m specially watching ....... but in some European cities it will be worse.
      The conditions are the same everywhere - you won’t be under your feet, and everything will be fine, (I think that the difference in the standard of living does not oblige you to spoil you at home)
      1. -2
        14 August 2012 10: 55
        yes, but there are few of them
  • Cassiopeia
    0
    14 August 2012 10: 19
    Iron rods will not hinder someone at all, otherwise they will completely blossom ...!
  • +5
    14 August 2012 10: 22
    How can one omit that which did not rise. It has been and remains and is becoming even stronger. Only verbiage is about freedom and equality. They are afraid of Russia more than the USSR, there was an ideology, and now they are forced to come up with over and over why Russia is so bad.
  • +6
    14 August 2012 10: 23
    Regarding pusi. Well, tell me, is it normal that some bitches enter the temple and cause chaos there? And if it was in the same America? I guarantee there would be a court and the decision would be harsh. Putin correctly said that if would this happen in a mosque? really, no one would have time. and in fact it’s on the face that it was an order. a madonna prostitute began to tell the authorities what to do with these bl *** mi. I completely agree with yak69
    1. lds040580
      -1
      14 August 2012 10: 39
      this is not a temple - this is a store (unfortunately)
      1. -1
        14 August 2012 10: 53
        well, even if it’s a store, but ordinary citizens come there as a place that is considered a saint. Enter this place where we can talk with God, right?
  • sergskak
    +12
    14 August 2012 10: 29
    and even the Russian people would have been spared the contemplation of the bony backs of some pop singers with "democratic inscriptions".
    Yes, they have already secured "glory" for themselves. Our judicial system also helped in this: they have been fiddling with these little boys for too long. The verdict was supposed to be the very next day and for the zone! Ps I wonder if Madonna is renting out advertising space? how much?
    1. Che
      Che
      +3
      14 August 2012 12: 11
      sergskak,
      +++ Locate in the central square and drive home under police supervision. wassat
    2. Van
      +5
      14 August 2012 16: 32
      If we are guided by the covenants of our ancestors, then for these damsels, five of the biting blows of the “forgiving” whip of the church guard would be quite enough to strengthen the faith in the girls.



      It would not hurt! laughing
  • Download Do Re Mi
    +4
    14 August 2012 10: 30
    In our country, as always, the guilty party was found, then we are waiting for the one who will come and fix everything, while we ourselves will continue to look for new guilty ones!
  • anchonsha
    +3
    14 August 2012 10: 32
    Thank you, Alexey, for the article. And then I read a lot about Russia, about the people oppressed in it, about the collapse of the country by Putin, Medvedev, that everyone who remained in Russia is poor and scared. The article shows where the legs grow, which is why the communists and marsh liberals so swear at Putin in unison, which is why there is such a persecution of the ROC. Everyone needs to do their job well, then the country will get out of poverty. Now, many just scream and do nothing for their fatherland, many sell the country for handouts from the West and the United States, and these are the same ones who shout more than anyone else about the coming "Iron Curtain" in Russia.
  • Ridder
    +1
    14 August 2012 10: 35
    This is part of the nonsense that is written here and so now a fierce debate and accusations against each other will begin. Firstly, Putin and the aligarchic pahanat are trying to erase the page of the USSR in Russian history, they say how badly they lived in the Land of Soviets, etc., etc., Putin also speaking in the Federation Council said that Russia “lost the loser in the war in Germany”, and this was an unprecedented event in world history, and the Communists, who “committed an act of national betrayal,” placed the whole burden of the “obscene world”. While the West is actively trying to rewrite history, primarily the Great Patriotic War, such a harsh statement from the lips of the president sounds rather strange. What kind of defeat is in question at all - it may still be that the liberals dismissed the army in February 1917 . They say that Putin is to blame for everything; Putin is not quite right in leading a political game that suits our entire aligarchic clan. Infinite tax increase (beneficial to aligarchs and Putin). Concessions in foreign policy and of course the collapse of the army (merit of Serdyukov). Of course there is a positive one too, but everything is lost against the background of endless minuses. And the last Putin will change the course of politics while our allegarchic clan, Putin and officials keep money behind the hill, so the United States has a powerful lever of pressure (as well as dirt) on our politics
  • +4
    14 August 2012 10: 35
    Right, Putin is doing everything. Although at one time an exchange of seats with Medved was needed, but still the president from Medvedev is not important compared to Putin. In general, Nazarbayev, Lukashenko and Putin, in my opinion, are the best CIS presidents who raise their countries.
    And the PR should be beaten well, but they will start yelling that in a non-democratic Russia, evil Putin almost personally beat up "kind, innocent and cultured girls" who only fought for democracy.
  • Kshatriy
    +4
    14 August 2012 10: 36
    The Lord has placed responsibility on us, the current generation of the Russian nation, the peoples of the Russian world for preserving the Russian state as a lamp of truth for the whole world. Each of us will have to make a decision: either stand up for Faith and Fatherland, or hide in the bushes during the upcoming battles. recall the ancient military wisdom: washing his hands in war, washing them with the blood of his comrades.
    Head of Joint Staff
    Militia
    them. K. Minin and D. Pozharsky
    Colonel V.V. Kvachkov
    Now, if Vladimir Vasilievich comes to power ..... then the curtain and the kirdyk of democracy ..... and the kirdyk of corruption ..... for some reason, he toils in the jail ......
    1. Ridder
      +2
      14 August 2012 10: 51
      Yes, V.V. Kvachkov was imprisoned because he is dangerous and the authorities are afraid of him. Here, alas, patriots who want to make Russia strong will not be allowed into power.
      1. Download Do Re Mi
        +1
        14 August 2012 11: 46
        Don't you think that if the authorities were afraid of Kvachkov, then he would not have had the opportunity to write memoirs in prison, meet with the "flock", see the messages to shoot? Isn't there too much freedom for someone whom OU are so afraid of?
        1. Kshatriy
          +1
          14 August 2012 14: 20
          Quote: Download Do Ryo Mi
          write memoirs in prison

          This is his legal right (your Ulyanov-Blank even wrote his memoirs in the horror prison of peoples) .... we have a completely democratic country ....
          "Major Special Operation Ahead"
          "Lawyer A.I. Moshansky delivered to me in prison a printout of messages in the guestbook and forum on my interview to A.A. Prokhanov
          Unable to answer everyone, forced to answer on topics.
          First, is it not a provocateur Kvachkov? It seems that all this is PR.
          Of course, the question of provocation is more than appropriate. If a person believes that the only thing for the salvation of Russia is a national uprising and openly declares this, then before analyzing, accepting or rejecting his ideas and thoughts, one should take a closer look, and who he is who are the people on whose behalf he speaks. So, am I not a provocateur, that is, an instigator acting with a treacherous purpose. Everything that you have just read is written in the prison cell where I am for the ninth month. If the jury recognizes me and my comrades are guilty, then we are threatened with two life sentences ... "in my opinion, everything is very intelligible ...
          1. Download Do Re Mi
            +1
            14 August 2012 15: 41
            Take Liquid Blanca to yourself, once you were not his supporter! Kvachkov is not a one-of-a-kind summoner! I did not write that he was a provocateur or anyone else, but that all victims of the totalitarian regime have too many opportunities for communication! And you want revolution and blood like that? Let's say they took Lefortovo, or where he sits there, released, cut everyone who doesn't think like us, Kvachkov President and EVERYTHING: Paradise will come in Russia, it’s only paradise, because Kvachkov is the one who we do you need?
            And why did Putin not please you? Or it cannot reach you that in the environment in which he is located, you will not "roam" much, this gang came to power a long time ago, and he is gradually eradicating it! Now the times are not the ones you want, will not work now, shot everyone and everything is fine!
  • malera
    -8
    14 August 2012 10: 42
    Quote: thatupac
    Yes, people themselves from the bottom up and encourage corruption when they pay separately for attaching their child to a good nursery, kindergarten or an elite school. About the purchase of white military tickets for the slope from the Army - I generally am silent. It is not worth blaming the mirror if the mug is crooked, however.

    Yes, there is something to blame and erysipelas are not crooked.
    People from the bottom are driven into a corner by Putin. For 12 years, Putin did not solve the problem of nurseries, kindergartens, and the lack of good teachers in schools. All Putin's national programs affordable housing and medicine. If a person has the opportunity to arrange a child in a kindergarten normally, will he give a bribe? Putin has done absolutely nothing to improve the life of a simple layman. Yesterday there was a report from the police department of the city of Moscow, there is an open advertisement hanging of a private organization tracing stolen cars. At the address indicated in the announcement, the organization physically does not exist. That is, I suppose that in the same police department they are also looking for stolen cars. only for money. A good reform of the police-police !!!! We clap medveputam. drinks
    The result - under Putin, corruption has reached the top of prosperity and ordinary people are in the most humble position.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 12: 36
      Quote: malera
      People from the bottom are driven into a corner by Putin. For 12 years, Putin did not solve the problem of nurseries, kindergartens, and the lack of good teachers in schools. All Putin's national programs affordable housing and medicine.


      All these problems are known. But if you already said "a", then you need to bend.
      In your opinion, when was it easier? Under Yeltsin? Or maybe with gratitude remember the Soviet era?
    2. Kshatriy
      0
      14 August 2012 13: 56
      Quote: malera
      ordinary people are in the most humble position.

      Judging by your writings, you have no relation to the common people, you are not respected !!!! So, whom are you forging so much for us ?????
  • +8
    14 August 2012 10: 51
    While I’ve read another article, I already read the comments ... Well, okay ...
    In many ways, I think Putin’s comparison with Stalin is a huge plus and complement to the first, firstly the stereotype that Putin is the new Stalin is more heated by the West and NOT by our liberals, by doing this they themselves raise Putin’s authority among the patriotic population.
    After all, there is a saying "Stalin is not on you ..." Here is Stalin for you.
    I myself really want to believe that Putin will build in the same way as Stalin, but methods are like luck, the result is important! Therefore, the identity of one person on a statewide scale is a bit if it is necessary to lay down their heads again in order to build a powerful power, the people should come together near a single leader, let the rest roll ... My personal opinion ...
    1. Ridder
      0
      14 August 2012 11: 01
      You can not compare Putin with Stalin. These are completely different personalities. Stalin strengthened his power, made powerful industrialization, led thoughtful politics for the benefit of his homeland, developed all areas of the state, and much more. And what is Putin doing .......?
      1. Cassiopeia
        +6
        14 August 2012 11: 05
        What are you doing to find out what Putin is doing?)
        1. Ridder
          +1
          14 August 2012 11: 15
          To learn what ?! the results of his palette and so you can see I wrote above. Raising taxes, "education reform", "modernization" of the economy, accession to the WTO, "reform" of the Armed Forces and many other nonsense. Liberals are sitting in the Kremlin.
          1. Cassiopeia
            +2
            14 August 2012 12: 59
            Browse this site periodically and then you will know more about what is happening in Russia every day. http://www.sdelanounas.ru/.
      2. +2
        14 August 2012 11: 07
        Now it’s easy to talk about the times of Stalin, because history has dotted all the lines, and do you think that Stalin’s contemporaries unequivocally appreciated it? Yes, I do not compare, I talked about the fact that the West and our liberals are actively introducing the image of Stalin into Putin’s policy and that’s all. I myself have already said that it is impossible to compare epochs, it is possible to draw analogies, but it is impossible to compare ...
  • +6
    14 August 2012 11: 02
    Thoughts that the freedom that we have inherited in the last 20 years probably does not compensate for the problems that have arisen in connection with its acquisition, pop up more and more often and persistently ... If economic problems can still be somehow solved, to adapt to the labor and capital market , then what to do with the incredibly multiplied scum in the face of fagots, pedophiles, drug addicts, small and large punks, rabid bandits, criminal immigrants from all sorts of southern regions, just thugs and other ghouls who 25 years ago were hiding in doorways and dark corners, fearing to lean out into the light, because they were not only put in jail there, but also morally condemned everything and everywhere, pointed fingers, children were told that one should not become so bad, i.e. there was intolerance in society that suppressed antisocial behavior. Now is freedom! and for this scum too !! Looking at how helpless the state machine is against these ghouls, you involuntarily remember the Father of all nations, At the same time, though with the words: "Chur changing, chur, tfu-tfu-tfu" over your left shoulder, but you will think that with him it would be easier to solve this problem ... Yes, and the screamers from Bolotnaya are also disgusting to me, they were at the helm when the country dived into the abyss, they themselves brought society to a state of tangible degradation, and as soon as they began to straighten out, they immediately shouted: The rights of fagots and crooks are infringed !!!

    The same thoughts come to mind when they look at how officials mock people, how, without taking out their hands in their budget pockets, they forbid everything that is possible and punish those who dare, regardless of guilt and legality. How they live on the background of poor pensioners, teachers, state employees, simple hard workers, on the background of how roads, houses, infrastructure are falling apart. As spheres of influence, land, buildings are divided among themselves with a blue eye, they seize state property, push into the budget assets and goods that they do not need, cover and frankly rob business etc. and so on. I recall a case that was heartbreaking in modern times, when the director of a large defense plant, by the decision of the People’s Control Committee, peeled the lining from the inside on the veranda of his garden house (mind you, on a common array) because at that time it was possible to have a house with an area of ​​insulated premises not more than a few meters, I don’t remember, but he had more, because the veranda was also considered insulated. He, of course, was upset, but did not resent and did not protest. So it was accepted and that's it. I'm not talking about flashing lights on far from budgetary cars, country and foreign residences, closed hunting farms, allocated sections of reservoirs and other pleasant things that are organized at the budgetary expense to maintain the ability of officials to lose their ability to work for the benefit of the people. How can one not remember the unforgettable ..
    And here you’ll think: was it worth fighting for this freedom if screamers, crime, drug addicts, perverts and officials use it?
    1. 0
      14 August 2012 11: 36
      Yes, yes you're right. Remember the Muscovites who bought apartments in a country house, and then they got a court they said this house was built illegally, and how these zealous bailiffs threw people out of the apartments and how quickly they began to ruin this house ... The horror is simple, because it’s also fascism, there there was a pregnant woman and she was thrown out into the street ...
      1. +2
        14 August 2012 11: 59
        Honestly, I can’t understand what people thought when they agreed to a deal at prices 2 times lower than market prices, in a house that goes as a private building (and not an apartment building). After all, they were not provided with any documents, except for a certificate of registration of property, which is not difficult to obtain for individual development.

        This is already some kind of blind greed, we also have such a construction site in the city.
        1. +3
          14 August 2012 12: 58
          staircase ad:
          Dear residents, tomorrow the lights, gas, water will be turned off. And at 12-00, please gather in the courtyard of the house where you will be shot.
          Best regards. Administration
        2. 0
          17 August 2012 17: 23
          What is incomprehensible, if the price per square meter of housing is close to the price of a modest mansion in some European province, but you need to live somewhere, then you can do anything. By the way, I live in the 1960 house of the year of construction, a normal solid house, 5 years ago the city administration officials conceived to demolish it, and evict the tenants to the provincial outskirts, it pained our place to like one construction company, a trump place, in a prestigious area, right on the central city ​​street. I then lifted the whole region to my ears, so far the house has been defended, although the crisis has helped radically, they refused. But according to how sluggishly reacted in the prosecutor's office, the administration, the Ministry of Construction and other official organizations, if it were not for the crisis, it could have been otherwise.
          And we also have such houses, and even rumbled in the opposition press that they were sentenced to demolition through the courts. There, too, young people with small children will be thrown into the street. So the real enemy of Russia inside her and his name is an official.
    2. yak69
      +2
      14 August 2012 12: 11
      For the sake of objectivity, one very important point must be understood:
      now everything is blamed on the Communists and the Communist Party, BUT ... the Communist Party before the collapse of the Union totaled 19 million members !!!! but, as it turned out, there were a minority of real communists among them.
      From the time of Khrushchev, opportunists climbed into the party and only such geniuses as Lenin and Stalin could expose them constantly and consistently, and that is why all these purges of the ranks were carried out. As life showed, the weakening of severe control over the purity of the party ranks led to its complete decomposition. And do not mix party werewolves with communist principles — these are essentially different things. Remember the main principle of Communism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. But to such a society the whole of humanity is still very far away. Unless, of course, we ourselves will turn into embittered animals, ready to gnaw each other's throats (this applies to all the inhabitants of the earth).
      And now the world mafiosi are leading us to this. It is necessary to have an iron endurance, to be strong, fearless and noble - without these qualities you can easily get into a cunning provocation and die.
  • Alx1miK
    +6
    14 August 2012 11: 28
    Let Russia live peacefully. They got it.
  • +7
    14 August 2012 11: 31
    The curtain should be in the head of every citizen, so that he himself determines what is good and what is bad! This is called EDUCATION!
  • vladimir64ss
    +2
    14 August 2012 11: 42
    Alarmism is present in human nature. But some indulge their fears, some do not. And, of course, Russia's external and internal "friends" take advantage of this. By the way, the 'iron curtain' was Churchill's invention.
  • -1
    14 August 2012 11: 44
    We have the top in the state district power station in Moscow, which is not enough.
    Over the past 2 years, everything that has been reduced has been reduced; there is nothing to do repairs on, and there is nobody.
    We are afraid of what will happen, as at the Sayano-Shushenskaya station.
    Recently, an order to reduce funds and working personnel came from Moscow.
    What next, we do not know.
    Moscow sideways all the problems, the main thing is to fill your pocket.
    request
  • +5
    14 August 2012 11: 46
    Well, tantrums in matters of sport are generally our national tradition.
    We always expect only victory, not paying attention to objective data.
    If football, then we are waiting for the championship (and why all of a sudden), if we did not become hockey champions, then in general the end of the world (and we do not pay attention to the fact that Canadians and Czechs and anyone else can be near us) but no, that's all equally bad.
    Olympians are bad both summer and winter.
    And as you forgive me, professionally you approach team compositions, injuries and illnesses of players, peak forms, etc.
    Let's be objective. There are disappointing defeats, but there are victories. Instead of supporting our children, we pour slop on them.
    Here is an example. Yaroslavl Locomotive (the best club in the country), died. This year, the new Lokomotiv goes on the ice. Any Yaroslavts understands that there is no need to wait for great achievements in the first season. And no one will water them for this. Koahanda will be supported in everything and in victories and defeats. So in all sports should be. We love victories and blaspheme for defeats. Where is the support?

    As for the Iron Curtain, everything is simple. It is not there, and there is no need to lower it. And it’s impossible. Instead of the iron curtain, justice and spirituality must be returned to the souls of people. And then we are not afraid of any Western "freedoms".
  • Brother Sarych
    -5
    14 August 2012 11: 52
    Putin and neostalinism? Not funny yourself?
    Personally, I have never seen anyone in their right mind think of comparing a giant and a pygmy ...
    Putin should be a frostbitten liberal and should not even consider him as a patriot-statesman at all - I have never seen anyone seriously accuse him of this on the same Echo or somewhere else ...
    1. +3
      14 August 2012 12: 32
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Putin should be a frostbitten liberal and should never consider him as a patriot-statesman


      Surprisingly, against the general background of state husbands, he is just a statesman and is seen by many.
      1. Brother Sarych
        -2
        14 August 2012 12: 48
        And, optical illusion and a burning desire to be deceived - that's all ...
  • +3
    14 August 2012 11: 53
    Quote: Bort Radist

    The curtain should be in the head of every citizen, so that he himself determines what is good and what is bad! This is called EDUCATION!

    Totally agree with you. Before judging the authorities, you should first look at yourself. Just as most of these alarmists are a bunch of narrow-minded people, deprived of the concepts that were brought up in people back in the Soviet Union. Speaking of the fact that they are all kapets, they often yell, saying: it is necessary to bring down from Raska or roll up the revolution. Well, where is patriotism in these words? A true patriot will not throw his homeland and will not support the revolution, because after the revolutions there remains only ruin.
  • 0
    14 August 2012 11: 57
    if Stalinism. to Stalin, to grow and grow, otherwise any shushera couldn’t even open his mouth, not to blame. And the oligarchs (if they were) were pocket-sized, and not just to London-Paris. It’s easiest to criticize, especially if you didn’t do anything useful
    1. 0
      14 August 2012 12: 04
      If Stalinism, then at least there would be no strategic offensive arms
  • malera
    -8
    14 August 2012 12: 05
    Quote: cassiopeia
    Exactly, if they were caught in my service, I would have smeared them

    Are you a member of the Satanic church? Remember the teachings of Christ. Christians must turn the other cheek if they have received one at a time.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 12: 20
      maler
      even earlier, God the father said: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth
    2. +6
      14 August 2012 12: 30
      Quote: malera
      Remember the teachings of Christ. Christians must turn the other cheek if they receive one at a time


      A Christian would have turned his cheek, but to give the shrines to spit ... No, it has nothing to do with Christian teaching.
  • Blackjack
    -5
    14 August 2012 12: 44
    Quote: andrei332809
    even earlier, God the father said: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

    This is in the Jewish faith. Or Russian Orthodox did not follow in the footsteps of Christ. And went over to the side of those who crucified him?

    Quote: blackjack
    A Christian would have turned his cheek, but to give the shrines to spit ... No, it has nothing to do with Christian teaching.

    Christ sacrificed himself - did not hesitate to turn his cheek. Or for you in the Orthodox faith, a building is a greater shrine than Christ himself?
    1. 0
      14 August 2012 12: 49
      in your opinion, if a Jew knocked out my eye, should I also thank him?
    2. 0
      14 August 2012 12: 56
      Quote: blackjack
      This is in the Jewish faith. Or Russian Orthodox did not follow in the footsteps of Christ. And went over to the side of those who crucified him?


      Do not make yourself a laughing stock. Jesus drove merchants out of the temple in Jerusalem. What would he do with these possessed girls? I don't know, it's not for me to judge. But I could not stand it for sure.

      Quote: blackjack
      Christ sacrificed himself - did not hesitate to turn his cheek. Or for you in the Orthodox faith, a building is a greater shrine than Christ himself?


      Is it worth spreading on this subject before a person so far from the issue under discussion? What do you know about Orthodoxy?
      What you call a building is the Temple of God. Give the temple and shrines to reproach? For any believer, it’s scary to think about it. But you do not belong to them, and therefore you will rant where the clever would not say anything.
      1. +2
        15 August 2012 16: 50
        Quote: Flood
        What would he do with these possessed girls? I don't know, it's not for me to judge. But I could not stand it for sure.

        Moreover, there was a deliberate provocation, i.e. the song "Theotokos, drive Putin away" was not sung by the pussies in the XXS. This disgrace was performed at the Yelokhovsky Cathedral and recorded on camera. And in the XXS there was an openly blasphemous action with obscenities against the Lord and the Mother of God. The video editing presented everything as it should. It is absolutely clear that this was a provocation aimed at the most precious thing for many millions of Russians. And then, through the myth of the song "Theotokos, drive Putin away," the case was given a political color.
        In addition, the trial is delayed due to the fault of the little ones, because for them, the main thing is to sit and portray prisoners of conscience.
        Information war against Russia continues ...

        Here in detail:

        http://wonderbull.livejournal.com/153476.html
        http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/256804.html
        especially an interview with a lawyer.
    3. +4
      14 August 2012 14: 57
      Quote: blackjack
      Or for you in the Orthodox faith, a building is a greater shrine than Christ himself?

      If you don’t understand what the Temple of God is for an Orthodox person, I’ll give you a grotesque example: imagine that someone has spoiled the grave of your dear relative, reasoning like this, well, it’s just a tubercle of the earth, and my action is completely natural from the point of view of physiology and absolutely legal. What would you do with this person?
    4. +2
      15 August 2012 16: 42
      Blackjack,
      What you wrote is the usual set of cliches of a pseudo-Orthodox person. In the eyes of such people, Orthodoxy is a religion of pink snot, where the main commandment is "turn the other cheek." But if you knew a little about Orthodoxy, then it would not be a secret for you that in Christianity individual ethics and social ethics are divided. The commandment about the "cheek" refers to the individual, i.e. I must forgive my PERSONAL enemies, but if someone encroaches on neighbors, faith or Fatherland, another commandment operates here: "There is no greater love as if someone lay down his soul for his friends", i.e. a Christian must protect his neighbor even at the cost of his own life. This is where love is most fully manifested, our desire to imitate Christ is manifested. And do you think that if they hit my son, then I should turn his other cheek? wassat

      And what words did Christ call the Pharisees and legalists: "Serpents, the offspring of vipers, hypocrites, painted coffins, etc." Not politically correct at all, is it?

      Quote: blackjack
      This is in the Jewish faith. Or Russian Orthodox did not follow in the footsteps of Christ. And went over to the side of those who crucified him?

      This is one and the same faith, the New Testament is the fulfillment of the aspirations and prophecies of the Old Testament, it is its logical continuation. Did the Savior criticize the Law? No, but the Pharisees and legalists accused him of this. He also spoke about the Law: "I came not to break, but to fulfill." So again by.

      I’ll tell you a secret: modern neo-Judaism is not at all the same with the religion of the Old Testament.

      Quote: blackjack
      Or for you in the Orthodox faith, a building is a greater shrine than Christ himself?

      I'll come to your house and shit on the family album and say, "This is my vision. How conceptually did it come out." What will be your reaction? The Orthodox will kick you out the door. You need to understand a simple thing: "the freedom of my fist ends where someone else's face begins"
  • Fidain
    +2
    14 August 2012 12: 51
    Not Putin, not his elite is not perfect and is very far from the ideal, but Russia stands up for the naga and fortifying, the hostile army and the state in general, and PROOF OF THIS "SCREAMS, SCREAMS AND PANIC SCREAMS" by too much from the West, especially from America. the louder the Americans are cursing, which means that Putin and his "mafia elita" did it all the more. Just one question. Everything is so honest in America, there are no people there, and for the time being they stand behind the president and push this or that action ...
  • Skavron
    +1
    14 August 2012 13: 00
    You do not know what is more interesting to read, an article or comments.
    In general, the process of satanization of the current Russian government is going on in full, the brains are washed out, the heads are charged with the necessary phrases, logical thinking is eliminated as unnecessary. This is how they process and prepare in sects.
    Teach my friends social psychology, if only to know where you dig a hole.
  • Blackjack
    -5
    14 August 2012 13: 02
    Quote: andrei332809
    in your opinion, if a Jew knocked out my eye, should I also thank him?

    If you are in the faith of Christ, yes!
    Quote: Flood
    Do not make yourself a laughing stock. Jesus drove merchants out of the temple in Jerusalem. What would he do with these possessed girls?

    Well, I don’t know who is the laughing stock. If you are a Christian and do not want to follow the faith of Christ .....
    As for the girls. Christ never punished anyone. Remember when they brought a sinner to him. He said let him throw a stone to him who is without sin. Are you sin free?
    1. 0
      14 August 2012 13: 09
      Quote: blackjack
      As for the girls. Christ never punished anyone. Remember when they brought a sinner to him. He said let him throw a stone to him who is without sin. Are you sin free?


      Sinful, old man. Yes, it was only said about the harlot, and not about the blasphemer. Catch a thought?
    2. +2
      14 August 2012 13: 10
      I am an atheist. If I crack you on the head, will you run for help or will you ask for more?
    3. Kshatriy
      0
      14 August 2012 13: 49
      Quote: blackjack
      If you are in the faith of Christ, yes!

      "black point", with what fright do you think that all the Rus are Christians ???? Read the Evgeychig-Vedas of Perun - can your ardor cool down a little ???
      1. +7
        14 August 2012 14: 04
        little abramik says:
        -I want to be Russian
        father:
        -march into your room. And you won’t get it until you change your mind
        after half an hour he looks at the abrash:
        - Well, didn’t change your mind?
        abramchik:
        "Lord! I’m Russian for some half an hour, and I've already suffered so much from these eves
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    +2
    14 August 2012 13: 34
    As far as I know, the whole point is that in society, the whiners are fucked. And this is connected with this. Amer recently conducted a study, and so the paradox is that the more developed the country, the more dissatisfied with the authorities. Guess where conspiracy theories are most common, right in the US. And now about us, I began to notice that a huge number of tantrums that forgot how we lived 12 years ago appeared on the site. And as now, and the fact that this level is constantly growing. And the fact that for 12 years Nazat we had one name from such structures as the police and the army. Now you can talk a lot about what they are bad or good, but they are and they work normally. On the site, I also began to often read articles with scary predictions and notice some kind of suddenly-obscured analysts. So the steeper we will live, and I believe that we will catch up at least the French in terms of living, or we will be between the Spaniards and French in terms of living. So the better we live, the more tantrums we will have, get used to it because this is a privilege of a well-fed society. The main thing will be to maintain courage, and not become like Europeans. In general, you need to indulge in real men. Well, those who are in a skirt need to be real women. But the main thing is to keep your spirit, not to drown in it all. Many conquerors therefore ruined their states because they simply drowned in luxury and we should always remember this.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 13: 53
      I agree, but not in everything.
      during the Soviet Union, we lived simply luxuriously, and there were few who were dissatisfied who wanted to live even more luxurious, doing nothing
      1. +4
        14 August 2012 14: 50
        Well, if you or your parents belonged to the party elite, then chic. And I saw the lines for groceries and toilet paper, broken roads, and other achievements of socialism. We live smartly now, the roads are excellent, the shops are full, live as you want, and no one will say a word to you. We are as good as we have never lived.
        1. +2
          14 August 2012 15: 23
          no, the family is ordinary. there were lines, the goods were in short supply, but for some reason everyone had full refrigerators, no one was starving. the children walked calmly to the dark without fear. they studied for free and in high quality, sanatoriums, pioneer camps
          1. +3
            14 August 2012 16: 02
            The USSR had many good sides, I do not sweep them aside. It is a pity that we did it according to the principle "we will destroy it to the ground"
      2. Alexey Prikazchikov
        +2
        14 August 2012 15: 29
        They did not whine because the relevant services worked plus censorship. Now this is not there, and a man is such a creature that you don’t give nishtyaks how much you don’t give nishtyahs and that’s why it aches, nature is like that. For example, in Moscow, from this year, teachers in schools of 55 thousand receive a month in my region from 30. If you still additionally teach and tutoring you can take very good money to earn, the truth really has become different (very strict up to the point that they make articles write) in my past practice at school I already experienced this. But all the same, the people are aching, and in the 90s they just didn’t pay the salary in principle, and in some people the people just got hungry and died of hunger. But they all forgot it, but in my impoverished pedagogical institute (as the teachers say, despite the fact that there are euro repairs and computers in every audience everywhere). everything is forced by the teaching foreign cars like this, and they whine.
  • User777
    +1
    14 August 2012 13: 57
    The Iron Curtain in Our Century will not go down for sure. All this is just talk and chatter because the majority (almost all) of those in power have "everything acquired by back-breaking labor" abroad.
    They themselves will not close themselves in the country smile

    And no laws will stop them from the temptation or the need to have real estate, cash deposits, etc. Abroad.
  • +1
    14 August 2012 14: 08
    Putin is not a panacea, and he is far from an ideal leader .. but tell me at least one candidate in return ...?
    1. Beck
      -2
      14 August 2012 16: 40
      Darku.

      I have not heard a greater insult to the Russian people. Well this poverty is necessary in people per 150 million people.

      He is alone. And in the middle of the sea of ​​men there is not one worthy of the post of leader. If so, then it is understandable why there are flaws, one cannot keep track of everything, and the others are not visible. There are none, as in the desert there are no polar bears.
  • HIGHLANDER
    +5
    14 August 2012 14: 11
    mixed everyone and Putin with Stalin, and a little pie with Makarevich, though the first two names in a row with the second names are indecent to put. order in the country will not be until we ourselves change. look around, a man comes from work, drinks beer, drank and immediately quit, a schoolboy and a student are sitting, eating a hamburger, eating, throwing. garbage is everywhere, my brother threw a cigarette butt in Thailand, after 5 minutes he paid a fine. in Germany, throw something on the street will be fined right there. it all depends not on Putin-Medvedev, but on ourselves, and on how we raise our children. we will change, there will be a positive example for our children. In the meantime, we get what we deserve.
  • Blackjack
    -1
    14 August 2012 14: 39
    Quote: Flood
    Sinful, old man. Yes, it was only said about the harlot, and not about the blasphemer. Catch a thought?

    In Christianity there is no difference in sin. All sins are forgiven. And where did you get the idea that this is a blasphemer. Evidence in the studio.
    Quote: andrei332809
    I am an atheist. If I crack you on the head, will you run for help or will you ask for more?

    You are not particularly lucky. I'll finish it on the spot. There will be a sin.
    1. 0
      14 August 2012 15: 06
      Quote: blackjack
      In Christianity there is no difference in sin. All sins are forgiven. And where did you get the idea that this is a blasphemer. Evidence in the studio.


      You are an ignoramus. Sin for a Christian is a violation of the commandments.
      “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind: this is the first and greatest commandment; the second is similar to it: love your neighbor as yourself "- this is how Jesus answered (see the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Mark), when the lawyer asked him:" What is the greatest commandment in the law? "
      By violating the greatest commandment, you commit the greatest sin.
      Blasphemy is one of the greatest (perhaps the most severe) sin.
      And the harlot before the blasphemer is an innocent lamb.

      Does any sin forgive the Lord? God works in mysterious ways. But without remorse, there can be no forgiveness.

      How did I get that the actions of these cheeky girls are blasphemous? Do not be afraid to go to an Orthodox church and ask people visiting it.
    2. 0
      14 August 2012 15: 16
      and forgive?
  • -3
    14 August 2012 14: 39
    Quote: dark_65
    but name me at least one candidate in return...?

    Kadyrov.
  • +1
    14 August 2012 15: 18
    Moreover, discussions about the failures that plagued the Russian team most often fell on those whose longest running distance in recent years was the distance from the refrigerator to the TV with an open bottle of beer and a hamburger (or shawarma)... laughing
  • Blackjack
    -2
    14 August 2012 15: 18
    Quote: Flood
    By breaking the greatest commandment, you commit the greatest sin. Blasphemy is one of the greatest (perhaps the most serious) sin. And the harlot is an innocent lamb before the blasphemer.

    Well, you are not without logic. However, this has nothing to do with Christianity. One from the other does not follow there. Remember the return of the prodigal son. This parable shows that the most sinful can be the most beloved son of God.
    You are also wrong about the last one. For by the blood of Christ all sins have already been atoned for (forgiven). Simply by your repentance you become closer to your redeemer. Those who do not repent will be far from him.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 15: 33
      Quote: blackjack
      However, this has nothing to do with Christianity. One from the other does not follow there. Remember the return of the prodigal son. This parable shows that the most sinful can be the most beloved son of God

      Quote: blackjack
      You are also wrong about the last one. For by the blood of Christ all sins have already been atoned for (forgiven). Simply by your repentance you become closer to your redeemer. Those who do not repent will be far from him.

      You are misinterpreting.
      The son began to say: “Father! I have sinned against heaven and before you, and I am no longer worthy to be called your son”...
      And the father said to his servants: “Bring the best clothes and dress him; give him a ring on his hand and shoes on his feet; and kill the fatted calf; let us eat and be merry! For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.”
      Only recognition of one's fall and repentance for sins brings forgiveness.
      Your words are far from the Christian understanding of Scripture. Although, perhaps, in certain narrow circles that are far from Orthodoxy or rather hostile to Orthodoxy, they will find a response.
    2. 0
      15 August 2012 15: 19
      Quote: blackjack
      This parable shows that the most sinful can be the most beloved son of God.
      Nothing like this! The father is happy with his son, gives him a ring, cuts a kid. BUT! The son has already squandered his share of the inheritance! He's a beggar! Do you feel the difference between one who has sinned and one who has not sinned? He needs to “score points” again in the spiritual sense. Do you have enough strength and time?
  • +4
    14 August 2012 15: 37
    These bitches already distinguished themselves once when they had sex in a museum in front of children.
    They also protested!
    Impunity brought it on! The newspapers made noise, Oh yes Oh! How is it possible, but in front of children... etc. These are the ones who decided that ANYTHING is possible!
  • Blackjack
    -1
    14 August 2012 15: 37
    Quote: Flood
    Your words are far from the Christian understanding of Scripture. Although, perhaps, in certain narrow circles that are far from Orthodoxy or rather hostile to Orthodoxy, they will find a response.

    It is difficult to convince someone who does not follow the teachings of Christ, but follows the dogmas of Orthodoxy.
    1. +1
      14 August 2012 15: 47
      Quote: blackjack
      It is difficult to convince someone who does not follow the teachings of Christ, but follows the dogmas of Orthodoxy.


      You claim that it is possible to organize Sabbaths in the temple. That all sins are equal before God. That Jesus has already atoned for all the sins of mankind with his blood. And... this is, in your opinion, the teaching of Christ?

      Your last phrase put everything in its place. You are not Orthodox. Apparently, you prefer those places where gays get married and slutty girls go wild. And the “dogmas of Orthodoxy” do not put pressure. Your choice, you won’t be forced to be nice.
  • Blackjack
    -1
    14 August 2012 16: 06
    Quote: Flood
    You claim that it is possible to organize Sabbaths in the temple.

    Where did you find this from me? Don't make things up. I am categorically against it. People must have a conscience.
    I respect Orthodoxy within the framework in which it follows the Bible. Well, if you bow to the priests and kiss their hands, then this is your choice. I grew up from Orthodoxy and it’s already cramped for me there. I prefer the teaching of Christ in its original form.
    1. 0
      15 August 2012 12: 38
      Quote: blackjack
      I grew up from Orthodoxy and it’s already cramped for me there


      To grow from something, you first need to fill these boundaries with yourself.
      It seems to me that you could not outgrow the great men with whom the Orthodox faith has always been strong.
    2. 0
      15 August 2012 16: 13
      Quote: blackjack
      I prefer the teaching of Christ in its original form.

      Can you point out the differences between the “original” teachings of Christ and Orthodox dogma?
  • +2
    14 August 2012 16: 07
    Flood, it's good that you exist. Another confirmation that my brother is not the one who is of the same nationality with me, but who is my brother in faith. As we say in Russia, “he is dear who is by faith alone.”
  • Blackjack
    -3
    14 August 2012 16: 20
    Quote: Uncle
    the one who is dear by faith alone

    I see that Orthodox brothers in faith in South Ossetia have bumped their heads together to let each other bleed. Blood relatives.
    1. +1
      15 August 2012 15: 22
      I’m reading your posts and, believe me, with bitterness I see a person who is searching, but superficial and unfamiliar with Christianity.
      Quote: blackjack
      Orthodox brothers in faith in South Ossetia butted heads

      Orthodox by the fact of baptism or by their life?
  • +1
    14 August 2012 17: 11
    From high stands the right words are spoken, Napoleonic plans are proclaimed, they promise a bright, happy future, UFO - tomorrow. And we are still waiting for a kind uncle to come and everything will change as if by magic. Before demanding anything, it is necessary to start with yourself. And only having achieved perfection in yourself, will it be possible to demand this from others. My only complaint to the existing government is that it does not make decisions to restore order in the media sphere. It is necessary to stop injecting negativity and influencing the subconscious that everything is very bad. Stop flooding TV with blood and other vices around the clock. Sincerely.
  • 0
    14 August 2012 17: 24
    But I didn’t like the article at all. She herself is inherently provocative.
  • Aftar
    0
    14 August 2012 19: 46
    Water in a mortar.
  • +1
    14 August 2012 19: 55
    Russia has only two allies, known to everyone... Therefore, love our country as you love yourself..!
  • Dictator1412
    -1
    14 August 2012 23: 30
    I look and am surprised! How low can animals fall when mistakenly equated? mikula ↑ -1 Uncle - Don’t you understand this? Unfortunately, the sad world experience shows that censorship, once released, tends to devour any free information that is objectionable to the authorities
    1. 0
      15 August 2012 20: 17
      Quote: Dictator1412
      censorship, once released, seeks to devour any free information objectionable to the authorities
      Have you ever thought that there are more important values ​​than “freedom of information”? Such as maintaining the state, for example. So the state protects itself, along with its citizens, from harmful information. How a mother takes care of her child until a certain age.
  • +4
    15 August 2012 04: 29
    I said it before, I say it again, Mr. Putin is the only person today who can raise Russia to a level close to the USSR in terms of status in world society. After what they did to the country in the 90s, this is backbreaking work, but he is coping with it slowly.
    1. Bismark
      0
      15 August 2012 14: 43
      It would be cool to bring back the USSR! (something good that no longer exists today!)
  • +1
    15 August 2012 09: 18
    Yes, the contours are drawn from Evraz. Union. something he wants to do, it seems like they’re interfering)
  • +4
    15 August 2012 11: 50
    The article is not bad. I am personally convinced that Putin is moving in the right direction by the fact that his personality is rejected by both the right and the left. Moreover, their mostly unfounded accusatory arguments are diametrically opposed. Let's start with the right: first - “Putin is a thief.” Immediately a question: Where are the bank account numbers, certificates of ownership of luxury real estate? Secondly, Putin is a Stalinist and a rabid patriot. I’ll answer right away: There is no such permissiveness as in our country anywhere. The same Bolotnaya and Sakharova showed that a pitiful bunch of slackers and troublemakers can do whatever they want, and she, at best, gets fifteen days, at worst, a meager fine. And this is called Stalinism? Gentlemen, shitcrats, under I.V.S. for something like this, if you believe the works of your idols, you wouldn’t even be shot, but killed slowly and terribly. What kind of Stalinism is this? Late Gorbachev....
    Now the left - Putin has sold out to the West, Putin is a protege of the states. Hmm, don’t you think, gentlemen, communists, that your fellow party members, who still head the leading enterprises of the military-industrial complex and are sabotaging the production of new ships, submarines and aircraft, have sold out to the West. That is, everything that the army and navy lack so much, everything that the state orders.
    1. iSpoiler
      +2
      15 August 2012 14: 04
      I fully support ..
      In general, we do not and have not had leaders who would suit everyone..
      Even if we have a golden horseradish president who will do RIGHT EVERYTHING - the best standard of living in the world, an ideal economy, no one extorts anything, everyone lives happily and richly for 150 years each (medicine level), houses last forever (naturally the most beautiful and cheapest), everywhere there is sterile cleanliness and order, on Mars and the moon there are colonies of Russians, in general on Mars and the moon there is the earth’s atmosphere, seas and oceans (made by our scientists), our weapons can destroy galaxies, fighters - and to hell with them, they fly to Jupiter like crazy (on Jupiter also has an atmosphere, also colonies, and our scientists too).
      And who knows, there will be mutants who are not happy with being cured...
      That's the kind of people we are... not exactly Russians, but PEOPLE, that is, people are human...
      Personally, I am very pleased with the Putin-Medvedev policy, I think that today’s government, although not ideal, is worthy of the highest praise...
      Damn, people have come who are really doing something for the nation over the last 40-50 years...
      who is for Putin plus me, who is against me minus - so we’ll see..
      I'm not scared, I say...
      1. 0
        16 August 2012 17: 00
        So plus.
  • +3
    15 August 2012 12: 03
    Confirmation of refusal to participate in the summit in the USA. And if he wanted to destroy the country, he would have done it in an instant, even before this evening. They understand this perfectly well. So they are angry that he does not play their game.
  • Odinplys
    +5
    15 August 2012 15: 45
    == Not every person shouts “Fire!” you will have enough psychological strength and intelligence to look around and understand that in the crowd there is simply an alarmist who has his own task. ==
  • Geton
    -1
    15 August 2012 16: 59
    Summary from the fronts of tolerance or digest of Putin's stability
    August 15, 2012 News from the fields, Genocide of the Russian people, Home page, Nationalism 5 Comments
    Two Tajiks detained on suspicion of sexual harassment

    Naked men attacked a 12-year-old girl in a commercial parking lot in the Nevsky district at about 21 p.m. The investigative department in the Nevsky district has opened a criminal case regarding the commission of violent acts of a sexual nature against a 12-year-old fifth-grader. Let us recall, as previously reported by the Academy of Sciences “Operational Cover”, the day before at 21:30 a 34-year-old unemployed St. Petersburg resident contacted the law enforcement agencies of the Nevsky district. According to him, on August 12, at about 21 p.m., near commercial parking lot No. 27 (Krylenko Street, 50), two stripped naked criminals committed indecent acts against his daughter.

    According to the website of the city's Investigative Committee, two citizens of Tajikistan were detained on suspicion of committing this crime. The issue of choosing a preventive measure against them in the form of detention is being decided.
    August 14 2012
    1. Geton
      -1
      15 August 2012 17: 00
      Two policemen were shot in Dagestan

      In the city of Khasavyurt in Dagestan, two policemen were killed as a result of shelling. RIA Novosti reports this with reference to data from the Investigative Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation of the Republic.

      As noted, at about 19:45 on August 14, a car with traffic police officers was fired upon by three unknown assailants, after which a shootout ensued. One of the policemen was killed on the spot, and the second died later in the hospital from his injuries.

      During the shootout, the police also managed to eliminate one of the attackers. The other two abandoned their car and, at gunpoint, took the car away from a man who was at the scene, and then fled. Currently, law enforcement officers are searching for the criminals.
      1. Geton
        -2
        15 August 2012 17: 00
        “We’ll kill everyone!” the Chechens and Azerbaijanis shouted as they beat up the residents of Fertile! The police and Tkachev Cossack women hid - Details

        The population of the Kuban village was attacked by an aggressive crowd

        The village of Plodorodny has been buzzing for three days: people are outraged by the inaction of the police and local authorities. They say: “In broad daylight, a crowd of strangers beat children and adults, but no one cares!”

        - There were at least 15 of them. We lived in the “Cherry Orchard” cottage community under construction. These are residents of Chechnya and Azerbaijan. I think they didn’t work there (where you saw Chechens and Azerbaijanis working on construction sites), but were doing something else, like selling drugs,” the voice of village resident Lyudmila Panina trembles with indignation. – This nightmare happened around noon on the 12th. The crowd first attacked two teenagers on the street - they beat them mercilessly! The victims could not get up. Then, with deafening laughter and screams, they moved on and beat three young men and a woman. Then one of them kicked a 9-year-old boy off his bicycle... Oh, I can’t even talk about it. Sorry…

        - His father rushed to help the child. The crowd beat him too. Then two more men got in their way - and they got it! The aggressors shouted: “We will kill you all! No one will be saved!” – says Olga Berezina, who lives in Plodorodny. – This was a real attack on a populated area! I can't tell you how scared we were.

        “I have never seen anything more terrible in my life.” I wanted to think it was a scary movie. But, to my horror, this actually happened. How they beat people! Never! Do you understand? Just! – the voice of a local resident, who introduced herself as Marina Valerievna, shows despair. “About half of them were drunk or stoned.” Their scream still rings in my ears. I will never forget this.

        People say that the police officers who arrived refused to contact the raging crowd. They said they would wait for reinforcements - a second squad. We waited for about an hour, then they replied that there would be no reinforcements, please contact the local police officer.

        - Mass beating of people is the competence of just a local police officer? We were almost speechless when we heard this. We knew that our police did not treat citizens particularly well, but we did not think that they were so indifferent to them. She left us alone with merciless sadists! - a resident of the village, Tatyana Denisova, cries. – We do not live in the wilderness – Fertile is part of Krasnodar. But for some reason the police did not wait for reinforcements.
        1. Geton
          -1
          15 August 2012 17: 01
          By this time, five dozen men had gathered from different parts of the village and decided to deal with the executioners on their own. They quickly walked towards the Cherry Orchard. But it turned out that the monsters managed to pack their things and escape.

          - The next day the foreman from this garden came and said that he regretted what happened. Why did he shelter these dubious characters? Why were they allowed to behave this way? – Olga Berezina is indignant. – But at least he regrets, and the police and the authorities do not see their guilt in what happened. To this day no reaction. And people were beaten so much that they ended up in hospitals.

          The administration of the Prikubansky urban district responded that its head, Alexander Mikheev, would not talk about the attack on the village, since he was very busy with other issues.

          “SP”: - Can’t he even find a few minutes?.. After all, the situation is emergency.

          “He’s busy,” the secretary insisted.

          The head of the Kalinin rural district, Andrei Kurgansky, did not talk about what happened, and at the same time he turned out to be very busy. The deputies of the named leaders did not consider it necessary to talk about the beaten residents of Fertile.

          The head of the department for interaction with the media of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for the Krasnodar Territory, Denis Klochko, claims that the population of the village received a report of beatings of only one person by two persons: “The duty station in the Prikubansky district of the city of Krasnodar did not receive any information about the mass of people beaten by Caucasians.”

          “They are trying to hide either their cowardice or something worse.” These guys from The Cherry Orchard were clearly doing something criminal, and for some reason the local police turned a blind eye to it. They gave them the opportunity to escape after beating people,” says village resident Maxim Smirnov. “And the authorities pretend that nothing happened.” We sent a complaint to Governor Tkachev about the inaction of the police. For now he is silent. And the police are doing nothing, and almost three days have passed. The mother of a beaten 9-year-old boy says she will fight for their punishment with all her might.

          Chairman of the Kruglovsky territorial center Tatyana Boychenko says that deputies of the Krasnodar City Duma are now looking into the situation that happened in Plodorodny: “Everything said by people is confirmed. We’ll think about how to help them.”

          However, many villagers are confident that “all these degenerates will go unpunished.”

          -Who will look for them in those parts? The police aren’t even looking for those who committed mischief here,” sighs Tatyana Denisova. “And they don’t need us, ordinary people, at all.” As do the authorities. Even if they beat us, even if they kill us
          1. Geton
            0
            15 August 2012 17: 02
            On the progress of the investigation of a criminal case initiated on the commission of violent acts of a sexual nature against a 9-year-old resident of the Kolpinsky district of St. Petersburg

            The Investigative Department for the Kolpinsky District of the Main Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation for St. Petersburg has opened a criminal case regarding the commission of a crime under paragraph “b” of Part 9 of Art. against a 4-year-old resident of the Kolpinsky District of St. Petersburg. 132 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violent acts of a sexual nature).

            The investigation established that on August 13, 2012, in the daytime in the Kolpinsky district of St. Petersburg, a citizen of Uzbekistan Gadriddin Rasulov, who was renting a room in one of the apartments, committed sexual assault against a 9-year-old resident of the Kolpinsky district of St. Petersburg, after which he disappeared from the scene of the incident.

            During the operational search activities carried out on suspicion of committing the specified crime in accordance with Art. 91 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, a citizen of Uzbekistan, 36-year-old Gadriddin Rasulov, was detained, the issue of choosing a preventive measure against him in the form of detention is being decided.
            1. Geton
              -1
              15 August 2012 17: 03
              The nephew of the head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, was detained in Moscow for robbery

              30-year-old Kharon Evkurov was caught during a robbery of the cash register of a trading stall in a shopping center. The nephew of the head of Ingushetia was wanted after escaping from a colony

              A relative of the head of Ingushetia was detained on the evening of August 8 in the building of the Shchuka shopping center. A man tried to rob the cash register at the counter of the Voila chain of express braiding studios.

              “As a result of an armed attack, a security officer was wounded,” law enforcement officials told Life News. — An employee of the Legis private security company tried to grab the criminal, but was wounded by an IZH-79-T9 traumatic pistol.

              The police squad that arrived at the crime scene detained the shooter. He turned out to be 30-year-old Kharon Evkurov.
              “Having established the identity of the robber, law enforcement agencies learned that he had been on the federal wanted list since February 2012 after escaping from a penal colony in the Komi Republic, where he was serving a sentence for fraud,” the police explained.

              As Life News journalists found out, 30-year-old Kharon Evkurov is a cousin of the current head of Ingushetia, Yunus-Bek Evkurov.

              “The detainee’s mother, 48-year-old Zarema Evkurova, is the head of the republic’s cousin,” a source in the law enforcement agencies of Ingushetia confirmed to Life News. — Now she and her family live in Moscow.

              In the capital, Yunus-Bek’s sister Evkurov is registered as an individual entrepreneur. Zarema Askhabovna moved to Moscow after she resigned from the prosecutor’s office, where she worked for a long time as secretary of the republican prosecutor.

              “In the 90s, she was our employee,” ex-prosecutor of Ingushetia Valentin Volvach confirmed to law enforcement agencies. “I know that she lives in Moscow with her son Charon and daughter. I know nothing about the fate of the father of her children.

              Having escaped from the colony in February 2012, Kharon Yevkurov purchased a fake passport in the name of 28-year-old Mikhail Koshub and decided to take up the old ways, but with new documents.

              However, with a simple fingerprint check, the police immediately established the true identity of the criminal and reported the arrest to the leadership of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the Komi Republic.

              “The detainee Kharon Evkurov was arrested by the Khoroshevsky District Court,” the police told Life News.

              The press service of the head of Ingushetia, Life News, denied the fact that Kharon is the nephew of Yunus-Bek Evkurov.
              1. Geton
                -1
                15 August 2012 17: 03
                The rapist in the village of Pobeda predictably turned out to be Uzbek by nationality

                Criminal investigation officers have detained a suspect in the rape of a resident of the village of Pobeda, Leningrad Region. The detainee is a previously convicted native of Uzbekistan, living in our region without registration.

                As a Fontanka correspondent learned, a 33-year-old native of Central Asia was detained on August 14, 20 kilometers from the crime scene - in the village of Roshchino, Vyborg district, Leningrad region. Employees of the criminal investigation department and operatives of the local Ministry of Internal Affairs took part in the arrest.
                http://dymovskiy.name/archives/22434#more-22434
                The suspect in rape, 33-year-old Sanzhar Rustamov, lived in St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region without registration. Previously, he was sentenced by the Vyborg City Court under Part 4 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (causing grievous bodily harm resulting in the death of a person through negligence) to 4 years of suspended imprisonment, with a probationary period of 2 years.

                The man has now confessed to his crime. The issue of choosing a preventive measure for him is being decided.

                Let us remind you that on August 9, 2012, a 45-year-old resident of the village contacted law enforcement agencies. Victory of the Vyborg district of the Leningrad region with a statement of sexual violence committed against her.

                Based on this fact, a criminal case was initiated on the grounds of crimes under Part 1 of Art. 131 (rape), part 1 of Art. 132 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violent acts of a sexual nature), - reported the Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation for the Leningrad Region.

                From the materials of the criminal case it follows that on the night of August 9, 2012, a 45-year-old woman was heading to the Udarnik poultry farm, where she was called by her management after hours. In a field, a woman was attacked by an unknown man of Asian appearance, who brutally beat the victim, raped her, and also committed other violent acts of a sexual nature against her.

                We also note that on the evening of August 10, residents of the village of Pobeda went out to a spontaneous protest action, the catalyst of which was a crime against a local resident
        2. kNow
          0
          15 August 2012 17: 36
          Quote: Geton
          Chechens and Azerbaijanis shouted

          After all, they gave official information that there was not even a smell of Azerbaijanis there... But no, you need to provoke conflict all the time...
          If you don’t like Azerbaijanis, kick out all the guest workers and deny access to your websites, maybe it will make you feel better
          1. Geton
            0
            16 August 2012 12: 49
            That is, true information provokes conflict?
  • s1н7т
    +1
    15 August 2012 18: 39
    Shoppiets! Military Review turned into a branch of Sunday school. Starting to feel sick. Or is that how it was intended? Like, the general line of the party? Ugh, damn it!
    1. 0
      16 August 2012 11: 04
      Quote: c1n7
      Military Review turned into a branch of Sunday school. Starting to feel sick.


      I can imagine what would happen to you in the temple. An epileptic fit?
  • Andrey96
    +1
    15 August 2012 22: 31
    Still, well done to our President Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, he didn’t forget the OLYMPIANS, he organized a banquet, awarded medals, gave bonuses, donated cars, good I think that now many athletes will train with even greater zeal, because the state has not forgotten about them. HURRAY HURRAY HURRY GLORY TO THE OLYMPIANS! (I am filled with pride for our team) good
  • prophetic
    +1
    15 August 2012 22: 47
    By the way, if you sum up all the awards that athletes from the republics of the former USSR have won, then you will have as many as more 160 awards, of which 47 are gold ...


    There’s no point in summing up these results, and if we do sum them up, then we need to sum up the number of participants from the countries of the former Soviet Union, and such a delegation would hardly be allowed to attend the Olympic Games.

    the country is no longer the same, and there is no point in comparing these results, but our team performed well. In sports, anything can happen, ups and downs
  • lorvig
    +1
    16 August 2012 01: 40
    Guys! What is the article about and what is the discussion about? We don’t keep anyone in the forest for firewood. I have the impression that any government cannot cope with you. |You are like Papuans. It comes to you when they look at you through the sights. Therefore, the Stalinists are aware of themselves and the place of all of you. YOU have ruined your country. Not the government, neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin nor Putin. This is all of you, you have put yourself in cancer. Now you are showing off, looking for extreme ones. You are reasoning.. Plow!!! AND PLOW YOURSELF. OTHERWISE AGAIN YOU WILL HAVE REVOLUTIONS OF PERESTROIKA, etc. You are being held up as proof that the human mind is limited and stupidity is limitless. It’s incomprehensible to the mind that as soon as a Russian got money, he immediately takes it out of the country and arranges a future outside its borders. From such a scale, all our mouths are open. You haven’t built a damn thing, neither socialism nor communism nor capitalism, you’re just destroying it. Do you even understand what you are doing? You are just like the Libyans. When the Chechens cut off the heads of your guys, where were you? you are not Russian, you have degenerated into a bunch of traitors. We already have 5 in London. Who? and you. and still going. how much more? What about the comments? show off...then they were catching up with America, now you’re catching up with the Chinese, then you’ll be catching up with Zimbabwe. We are already ashamed of you....
  • 0
    16 August 2012 10: 51
    I don’t understand at all why such an article is on this site. Why are there religious discussions here? This is not the place for theological disputes, and, as can be seen, few of the writers themselves fully understand the foundations of various religions. In my opinion, the article is a provocation!!!
  • -2
    16 August 2012 22: 37
    A “strong hand” has long been needed. But Putin is such only in the howls of demshiza.
  • -1
    17 August 2012 14: 24
    Another order completed

    http://ukranews.com/ru/news/ukraine/2012/08/17/77045
  • +1
    17 August 2012 18: 49
    We were “trained” to give up our victories, to trash athletes, the government, etc.

    Shitcrats are on horseback as always...

    They are rioting in Rus' just like at home...
    1. Taratut
      0
      21 August 2012 08: 52
      Quote: SMUTIAN
      We were “trained” to give up our victories, to trash athletes, the government, etc.

      Who taught you and who?
      What victories did you give up? On the contrary, there is a howl - we will not allow anyone to revise the nonsense of Soviet historians set out in the Talmud “History of the CPSU”.
      Nobody criticizes athletes, but success in sports has become much less than in the USSR. And the point is the collapse of mass sports.
      The government has something to criticize for.

      Quote: SMUTIAN
      Shitcrats are on top as always

      And who is it? Let's say "United Russia" - democrats? Formally, yes, that’s how they position themselves.
  • tsvyd
    +1
    19 August 2012 15: 44
    It’s quite strange to talk about the Iron Curtain, especially if you consider the geopolitical state of the country and remember the main items of its income.

    If for a certain type of citizen it is the impossibility of walking down the main street naked, shouting slogans “Down with food!” - this is a deprivation of rights and freedoms, then it is frankly a pity for such citizens. They spend their lives on the momentary.

    As for the Putin regime and the government’s deception of citizens, there are several contradictory issues here.
    On the one hand, stop putting up with it, but what constructive can be offered in return?
    Here Mr. Kurginyan is actively consolidating a certain movement around himself.
    Mr. Okhlobystin is hitting the media resources squarely.
    How many of those dissatisfied with the authorities came out, joined, and expressed their position, besides the kitchen or the Internet? At least to the existing movements and seethings?
    No, the majority are quite happy with the current situation.

    And in general, is the abyss of deception so deep? A healthy man, educated back in the USSR, is not able in our time to provide for a family and have some reserve for the future? Oh, that's unlikely. And the rest is from the evil one.

    We look at the US template, forgetting about the enormous hegemony of this same US over the world. The country has different principles - different opportunities, different goals.
    Seriously imagine if tomorrow a descendant of the Empire and the USSR decides to curb the birth rate throughout the world or begins to spread chaos, taking advantage of the base, bestial instincts of the human individual. Is it stupidity?
    In the Empire there was Orthodoxy, in the USSR there was a Man Who Sounded Proudly, and was not a battery from the movie “The Matrix”.
    And with this kind of thinking and way of life, we (okay, not us) want that same democracy, freedom, gaming, dismemberment on screens, legalization of various substances and other attributes of complete freedom.
    And so that presidents can be elected on the first SMS channel by voting. Based on the results of their ice dancing and vocal abilities.
    Otherwise - Stagnation! Otherwise - Iron Curtain!
  • ViPChe
    0
    20 August 2012 22: 23
    Quote: Lapaev Mihail
    yes, Gorbachev is a true patriot
    And I wonder who had the most raped: Gorbachev with Nobel or Luzhkov with his wife ??? laughing
  • Taratut
    +1
    21 August 2012 08: 47
    And what is the article about?
    Pure demagoguery.
    It is a fact that Putin has strangled freedom of speech.
    ORT, RTR, NTV - everyone is blowing the same tune.
    And what channel is not under it? "Silver Rain"? Ren-TV?
    Yes, sometimes they try to blurt out something, and even then with caution. And the channels are not the most watchable.
    Internet? The main voter - a pensioner and a hard worker - does not surf the Internet.
    The elections are being rigged. The courts do not accept complaints. And judging by the behavior of the judges considering the cases, a strict order was given.
    Our country is not totalitarian yet, but has long been authoritarian.
  • Wall2
    +1
    21 August 2012 13: 24
    Of course, there is no Iron Curtain (the question is posed absurdly) - even in the field of villainy, Putin does not have the ability to “cool down” the people in order to return the Iron Curtain.

    But the fact that power was usurped by a figure who was not entirely adequate and not brilliant in his intelligence, but who suffered from terrible Napoleonic complexes and authoritarian inclinations, is, unfortunately, an obvious accomplished fact.

    If Putin had left in a timely manner (i.e. no later than 2008), it is very possible that his psyche would have remained in good health, and he would have lived out an honorable retirement in respect. Now it's too late for him...
    This regime, of course, needs to be dismantled as soon as possible. And it’s good that many people understand this, to the displeasure of various Nashists, like the author of the meaningless article above.
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