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"Game of Thrones" in the Ottoman Empire. The Last Victims of the Law of Fatih

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"Game of Thrones" in the Ottoman Empire. The Last Victims of the Law of Fatih
Kasper Leuken. Deposition of Sultan Mehmed IV


The last sultan, which we managed to talk about in the previous article ("Game of Thrones" in the Ottoman Empire. Fatih's law in action and the emergence of cafes) was a strong man Murad IV, who died of cirrhosis of the liver at the age of 28. And now the time has come for Shehzade Ibrahim from the golden cage of the cafe - the youngest son of Sultan Ahmed I, brother of Osman II and Murad IV.

The first prisoner of the cafe on the throne of the Ottoman Empire



Ibrahim, sultan der Turkei

Ibrahim was 25 years old at that time, and he spent most of his life in a cafe. He was terribly frightened when he saw strangers entering his room, deciding that the killers had come. And he believed in the death of Murad IV only when he saw his corpse. As you might expect, Ibrahim turned out to be a very weak ruler. It is not surprising that he was sometimes compared to Nicholas II. Ibrahim I even had his own "Rasputin" - a certain Jinji Khoja, who was engaged in the expulsion of genies from dignitaries, courtiers, as well as the wives and concubines of the Sultan. It ended with the fact that Ibrahim was declared insane and killed. And his seven-year-old son Mehmed IV became the new sultan.

Mehmed the Hunter



Young Mehmed IV, miniature 1657

This sultan held the throne for 39 years. However, he was mainly engaged in hunting (that's why he was nicknamed "The Hunter"). And also calligraphy and writing poetry under the pseudonym of Bethai ("Faithful"). The country was ruled by other people.

At first, his grandmother Kyosem-Sultan, appointed regent, and his mother Turkhan Khatije, who, in the end, came out the winner in this fierce competition, grabbed for life and death. The loser Kyosem Sultan was strangled with a silk cord.

Then viziers from the Köprülü family ruled for 28 years. In Turkey, it is believed that this time became the "golden age" for ordinary citizens of the Ottoman Empire. There were no glorious victories and rapid expansion of the empire, but ordinary people then lived better than ever. It was under Mehmed IV that the Ottoman troops besieged Vienna in 1683, but were defeated by the Polish king Jan Sobieski and the Austrian field marshal Karl of Lorraine. And the "golden age" of the Ottoman Empire ended.

Since that time, the so-called "Great Turkish War" began - a chain of military conflicts in which the Ottomans were constantly defeated: from the Holy Roman Empire, Russia, Poland, Venice and Malta. Military failures, in the end, led to the fact that in 1687 the powerless Sultan Mehmed IV was removed from the throne, but they did not kill. With two concubines, he was sent to one of the palaces of Edirne, where he lived (like in prison) for another 6 years. Another son of Ibrahim I, Suleiman II, who had previously spent 39 years in a cafe, was elevated to the throne.

Sultans from cafes


Suleiman II was a deeply sick man who spent two years in bed out of 4 years of his reign. And his influence on state affairs was small.


Suleiman II, sultan der Turkei. Austrian National Library

At this time, for the first time in stories The Ottoman state began to mint copper coins, a tobacco tax was introduced, but some other taxes were reduced. During the reign of Suleiman II, Turkey once again fought with Austria, losing Bosnia and Belgrade, which, however, was soon returned.

Suleiman was succeeded by his brother, Ahmed II, who spent 48 years in the cafe, doing mainly calligraphy. At present, a copy of the Koran, personally rewritten by him, is kept in Mecca.


Achmet II, sultan der Turkei

At the same time, the Sultan began to convene the State Council 4 times a week, and important decisions were made collectively. Ahmed II was quite popular among the people. It was even said that he, disguised as a simple citizen, walked the streets of the capital and listened to what people say about the measures taken by him and his government. The war continued with Austria, during which the Ottoman army was defeated on August 19, 1691 at the Battle of Slankomen. Moreover, in this battle, the Grand Vizier of the Fazil Empire Mustafa Köprelu died. Like his older brother, Ahmed II was distinguished by poor health and after accession to the throne he lived for only 4 years.

Mustafa II



Sultan Mustafa II

This son of Mehmed IV (Mustafa II) became an exception to the rule. Since before the accession to the throne, Mustafa II was not kept in a cafe, but lived in Edirne, using limited freedom.

During the reign of Mustafa II, Russian troops took Azov (which was officially ceded to Russia in 1700).

Turkey also fought an extremely unsuccessful war with Austria, the Venetian Republic and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. It was then that Prince Eugene of Savoy won his first major victory at Zenta (September 11, 1697). It all ended with the conclusion of the Karlovytsky Peace Treaty (January 26, 1699), according to which Turkey lost Hungary, Transylvania, the city of Timisoar, Morea, Dalmatia and Right-Bank Ukraine.

In 1703, during the uprising in Constantinople, Mustafa was forced to renounce the throne in favor of his brother Ahmed. And, according to the old Ottoman tradition, he died soon after his abdication: probably, he was poisoned by the order of the new sultan.

"Age of tulips"



Ahmed III

The new Sultan Ahmed III was 30 years old. And he turned out to be a very big fan of European culture, highlighting France. Under him, printing began to develop rapidly in the Ottoman Empire. An attempt was made to introduce universal primary education. And cultivation of tulips became fashionable: the name of this flower gave the name to the era.

Foreign policy and military successes during his reign alternated with failures, one of which became fatal for this Sultan (but more on that later).

It was Ahmed III who gave refuge to Charles XII, who was defeated at Poltava. And then I didn't know how to get rid of this guest. This was discussed in the article "Vikings" against the Janissaries. The incredible adventures of Charles XII in the Ottoman Empire.

During the reign of Ahmed III, unfortunate for Russia took place Prut campaign of Peter I (see also article Prut disaster of Peter I).

In 1715, Turkey started a war with Venice and recaptured Morea. But after the intervention of the Holy Roman Empire, the Habsburgs suffered defeats at Petrovaradin and Belgrade (the Austrian troops were commanded by Eugene of Savoy) and lost the northern parts of Serbia and Bosnia, Banat and Little Wallachia. However, the Ottomans still managed to save Morey then.

In the 1720s, the Ottoman Empire began a war with Iran, also achieving considerable success at first. But then the Turkish army was defeated. It led to another uprising in Constantinople (September 28, 1730) and the overthrow of Ahmed III (September 29, 1730).

He ceded power to his nephew Mahmud (son of Mustafa II), who (contrary to tradition) did not begin to strangle or persecute the former sultan.

Ahmed died 6 years later, when he was 62 years old, seeing the collapse of all his undertakings (some of the buildings he built were even destroyed).

Mahmoud I



Sultan Mahmoud I

Having come to power, Sultan Mahmud I at the first opportunity executed the Albanian Patron Khalil, a former sailor and janissary, the leader of the uprising that brought him to power. It happened on November 15, 1731.


Patron Khalil, portrait by Jean-Baptiste van Moore

Then about 7 thousand more people were executed - Khalil's supporters.

This sultan was remembered for the first attempts to modernize the Ottoman army according to European standards (the head of this program was the French Count de Bonneval, who had converted to Islam).

Under Mahmud I, the empire waged unsuccessful wars with Iran (ended with the cession of a number of territories) and with Russia, which, after the campaigns of Minich and Lassi, managed to return Azov.

But the war with the Austrians turned out to be more successful: northern Serbia, Belgrade and Little Wallachia were recaptured.

Mahmud died (as the Turks themselves say) “the death of a righteous man” - when he returned from Friday prayers, sitting on a horse.

New "sultans from the cage"



Osman III

Osman III, was the son of Mustafa II. In 1703, when his father was removed from the throne, the 4-year-old boy was placed in a cafe, where he remained for 51 years.

He was intolerant of bribery, did not like music and women. They said that his shoes were specially nailed so that, hearing the steps of the Sultan, the maids had time to hide.

Christians and Jews, by his order, now had to wear special decals on their clothes.

However, ordinary people of Constantinople remembered this sultan for the help he provided to the townspeople during the great fire of July 1756.

The suspected cause of Mahmud's death was a stroke. Since this sultan did not leave children, his cousin Mustafa III, who spent "only" 27 years in the cafe, became the new ruler.


Mustafa III

This sultan, like Ahmed III, was a supporter of the modernization of the Ottoman Empire along European lines. Invited by Mustafa III, the Hungarian engineer Franz Tott organized separate artillery units in the Turkish army, built a plant for the production of cannons, founded Muhendishan-i Bahr-i Humayun - the first naval school in the Ottoman Empire.

But the Russo-Turkish War of 1768-1774. ended in disaster for Turkey (it was during this war that Pyotr Rumyantsev won his loudest victories, and the Russian squadron of Alexei Orlov destroyed the Ottoman fleet at Chesma).

Mustafa did not live to see the end of this war. And the Kyuchuk-Kaynardzhi peace treaty was concluded under his successor, Abdul-Hamid I, also a former prisoner of the cafe.

It was during the reign of Abdul-Hamid that Crimea became part of Russia. His nephew, Selim III (son of Mustafa III), was also a "cafe graduate". And just like his father, he dreamed of reforms on the European model.


Selim III, portrait of an unknown artist, 1785

These reforms, called the Nizam-s Jedid (New Order), provided for the replacement of the Janissary corps with a regular army, the opening of military schools, the construction of new types of ships and another attempt to introduce universal primary education. It was under this sultan that the first opera was staged in Constantinople. Selim III raised his nephews, Mustafa and Mahmud, as his own children. And in the end, he was betrayed by one of them.

In May 1807, he was overthrown by the Janissaries and later executed by order of one of his pupils, who became the new sultan, Mustafa IV.

Mustafa's brother, Mahmud, survived only because he managed to escape to the Ruschuk Pasha Alemdar Mustafa Bayraktar, who managed to collect a 15-strong army and move it to Constantinople.

And in June of the next 1808, Mustafa, in turn, was dethroned. The reformist Mahmud II did not want to look "barbarian" in the eyes of "enlightened Europe." And therefore he preferred to evade his responsibilities to eliminate his brother, yielding the right to give the order for his execution to Sheikh-ul-Islam of the Ottoman Empire. Mustafa's execution can be considered the last application of the Fatih law in Turkey.

Mahmud II went down in history as the sultan who liquidated the Janissary corps and banned the Sufi monastic order of Bektash in Turkey. In Turkey, he is known by the nickname "Inkilabchi" ("Revolutionary"). Sometimes he is also called "Ottoman Peter I".


Sultan Mahmud II

To learn more about the corps of janissaries, bektashs and Sultan Mahmud II, see the article Janissaries and Bektashi.

Also, the medieval system of forming the army according to the rule was eliminated, when the owners of land allotments (timars) were obliged to supply horse riders-sipahs in wartime.

These reforms did not save Turkey from military defeats in two wars with Russia (1806-1812 and 1828-1829) and with Greece (1821-1829). It was also restless on the outskirts of the empire. The separatist aspirations of the governors of Ioannina and, especially, Egypt, became a big problem. In 1833, only the intervention of Russia, which sent a squadron headed by M.P. to help Turkey, which was defeated in the war with rebellious Egypt. Lazarev (Bosphorus expedition of the Russian fleet) prevented the disaster. The troops of Ibrahim Pasha, having defeated the Ottoman army at Konya, were already moving towards Constantinople.

The reforms of Mahmud II met with dull resistance from almost all strata of the conservative Ottoman society. And it is impossible to call them very successful. Despite all the efforts of both Mahmud and some of his successors, the Ottoman Empire finally embarked on the path of degradation and decline, which ended with its disintegration and the removal from the throne of the last Sultan Mehmed VI.
On November 1, 1922, the sultanate was abolished. On November 18, Mehmed VI was stripped of the title of Caliph.

This is how the Turkish Republic appeared, which still exists today. But the story of these events is beyond the scope of this article.

The official abolition of the Fatih law took place in 1876 with the accession to the throne of Sultan Abdul-Hamid II.


Abdul Hamid II, before 1900

Then the constitution of the Ottoman Empire was adopted, the third article of which secured the rights of the eldest son:
"The Ottoman supreme power, concentrated in the person of the sovereign, the great caliph, belongs to the senior prince of the Osman dynasty."
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 13 November 2020 05: 50
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    Simply Awesome article series! It is written in excellent (readable) language, well illustrated, readable in one breath! Thanks to the Author for a good start to the day! hi
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 13 November 2020 08: 35
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      I join the Hunter, I liked the cycle! It turned out a bit gloomy though. On the other hand, instructive!
      Regards, Vlad!
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 13 November 2020 08: 46
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      I wonder what explains such an abundance of portraits of sun-like sultans in a country where it is forbidden to create images of living beings at the religious level? Isn't this a Western lie? I mean portraits, parsuns.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 13 November 2020 08: 49
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        have you read this cycle for sure?
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 13 November 2020 08: 50
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          is there really an answer?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 13 November 2020 09: 35
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            if you read and memorize the text carefully
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 13 November 2020 09: 40
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              can you remind?
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 13 November 2020 09: 50
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                don't bother, read Samsonov
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 13 November 2020 09: 52
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                  I knew that there would be no answer. Probably because no.
                  1. VLR
                    13 November 2020 10: 24
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                    Article "Albanian warrior and commander Skanderberg", chapter "Sultan Mehmed II and his craving for beauty". This is the first sultan to receive a portrait during his lifetime; his successors did not deny themselves this either.
                    1. Bar1
                      Bar1 13 November 2020 10: 32
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                      Quote: VlR
                      Article "Albanian warrior and commander Skanderberg", chapter "Sultan Mehmed II and his craving for beauty". This is the first sultan to receive a portrait during his lifetime; his successors did not deny themselves this either.

                      Is this an explanation or what? This is not an answer to the question, and this tladiukol is simply a liar.
                      So the question, one more time.
                      Why, contrary to the BASIC Islamic dogmas, Turkish sultans allowed themselves to deviate from the canons of Islam in the matter of depicting their images? Maybe these sultans from portraits are not living creatures?
                      1. VLR
                        13 November 2020 10: 37
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                        Because Mehmed Fatih (the Conqueror), the son of a Christian woman - Greek woman Huma Khatun, already wanted to spit on all the prescriptions of Islam that somehow limit his wishlist. How to spit wanted on the prescriptions of Islam prohibiting the use of alcohol, numerous drunkards on the Ottoman throne.
                        As they say, before Allah, everyone is equal, but there are "more equal" individuals.
                      2. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 10: 49
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                        Quote: VlR
                        Because Mehmed Fatih (the Conqueror), the son of a Christian woman - Greek woman Huma Khatun, already wanted to spit on all the prescriptions of Islam that somehow limit his wishlist. How to spit wanted on the prescriptions of Islam prohibiting the use of alcohol, numerous drunkards on the Ottoman throne.

                        do not compare this, there are basic prohibitions and provisions in Islam
                        - eating pork
                        -prohibition on image
                        - five times namaz
                        -mandatory circumcision
                        yes, it is forbidden to drink alcohol, but this is a step lower than the prohibition, so it is always neglected.
                        Christianity also has bans for clergy
                        -no smoking
                        -do not drink alcohol
                        so priests do not deny themselves a drink, but they NEVER smoke.
                        Likewise, in Islam, pork is not eaten, and portraits are never put on public display NEVER. These are the main prohibitions.
                        Therefore, the fact that you have given many types of "Islamic" images is not true, but most likely these are late fakes dictated from the West.
                        The fact that the sultans were completely autocratic is also not true. The sultan's power has always been limited and the guarantor was the corps of janissaries, who, for the slightest departure from the principles of faith, could immediately raise a riot and remove the sultan.
                        Only after 1827, after the Janissary suppression, Turkey's policy in matters of culture and faith began to reorient itself to the west. And apparently then these portraits began to appear.
                      3. VLR
                        13 November 2020 10: 59
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                        And in 1827, on this occasion, probably the Italian artists Constanzo da Ferrara, Bertoldo di Giovanni and Gentile Bellini, who painted portraits of Mehmed II, were resurrected? Who then took the portraits they painted with them, since they have been known since the second half of the XNUMXth century.
                      4. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 11: 11
                        -10 qualifying.
                        Quote: VlR
                        And in 1827, on this occasion, probably the Italian artists Constanzo da Ferrara, Bertoldo di Giovanni and Gentile Bellini, who painted portraits of Mehmed II, were resurrected? Who then took the portraits they painted with them, since they have been known since the second half of the XNUMXth century.

                        but you certainly have not heard about fakes? It is very naive to chronologize events by referring to portraits, which can always be fakes.
                        As for the miniatures from the Chronicle of the Mongolian Rashid ad Din, which you constantly refer to. There has already been a conversation on this topic. I quoted the words of historians who worked in the Istanbul archives with the first editions of the Chronicles of Rashidaddin and who said that there were NO images there.
                        There is the Leningrad Soviet edition of Rashidaddin, there are no miniatures there either. And you are pulling these miniatures from unverified sources.
                      5. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 11: 55
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                        Quote: Bar1
                        you certainly have not heard about fakes?

                        Quote: Bar1
                        There is the Leningrad Soviet edition of Rashidaddin, there are also no miniatures.

                        After all, a person has a memory like a fish ... request
                        After all, they explained everything - both about fakes and about miniatures, how historical artifacts are examined, how academic publications are compiled, they even told where the very manuscript from which the miniatures are taken - no, six months have passed and that's it - "soap, wet, start over." ..
                        Oh, melancholy ... Bar, have you really forgotten these discussions, or do you just don’t care any smoke if it doesn’t come from Fomenko’s or Nosovsky’s ass?
                      6. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 12: 03
                        -11 qualifying.
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        After all, they explained everything - both about fakes and about miniatures,

                        you are all lying, you have not explained anything.
                      7. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 12: 34
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                        Undecim
                        5 November 2019 13: 26
                        +5
                        Ryzhov recklessly uses illustrations, both modern reconstructions of the Mongols, and illustrations from the manuscripts of Jalal ad Din. But did the propagandist historian Ryzhov ask himself where did these manuscripts come from with illustrations?
                        I give an excerpt from an article by Mirgaliyev I.M.
                        This is really an oxymoron, even squared. Someone Bar2, a noteworthy and consistent opponent of the existence of the Mongols in their classical understanding and proving to everyone that the Mongols are Mungals - Gauls - Russians, attracts Mirgaliev, head of the Center for Research of the Golden Horde and Tatar Khanates named after Ryzhov, to fight against the "propagandist historian" ... M.A. Usmanov, the conductor of the idea of ​​the Golden Horde roots of Russian statehood, formed from the Golden Horde ulus, in which the Russian princes did not have any independence.
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                        Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master (Michael)
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                        5 November 2019 14: 41

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                        Quote: Undecim
                        This is really an oxymoron

                        I also looked at who this Mirgaleev was, and although I did not have time to get to such a generalization, the first impression was exactly as you wrote. I saw only a list of his works, mainly from the XIV century, the article referred to by Bar 2 did not find (there was no time to search in detail), although I suspect that in it one can "learn" a lot of "interesting", in particular, from which context pulled out quote. Did you find this article for an hour? In order not to look for me, otherwise something has shaved me ... smile
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                        Undecim
                        Undecim
                        5 November 2019 18: 51

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                        Good evening, Michael. The link to the article is in the commentary of Bar. The article is not sensational. Mirgaliyev describes the process of research and translation into Russian of the manuscript of “Shuab-i Panjgan” by Rashid al-Din, a copy of which he managed to get in the archive of the Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul.
                        The author’s disagreements as to whether the indicated work contained illustrations with the historian Grigoryev are also stated.
                        This article has nothing to do with illustrations from JĀME 'AL-TAWĀRIḴ, and Bar 2's generalizations about the fact that if one of the works of any author is not illustrated, then there are no illustrations and his other works are not worth a damn.
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                        Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master (Michael)
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                        5 November 2019 19: 15

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                        Good evening.
                        The link didn’t work for me, I searched in the text. But thank you all the same.
                        By the way, about Jami at-tavarih. I looked for information about the illustrations and almost immediately, at the request "Tabriz school of miniatures" I got literally the following (site https://dic.academic.ru)
                        The Persian miniatures of the manuscripts for Jami at-tavarih [8] [9], used by Rashid al-Din in the workshops of the Tabriz library, give an idea of ​​the painting of the early 14th century. 1306 dates back to the year one of the lists stored at the University of Edinburgh, the other, dated 1314 year, belongs to the Asian Society in London.

                        Further there is still:
                        The manuscript "Jami at-tavarih" 1410 — 1415 years
                        This manuscript comes from Ardabil and is now kept in the Paris National Library. It may have been performed in Tabriz. According to Brittany and Weymarn, “the style of miniatures is primitive. Uncomplicated symmetrical compositions are populated with rudely executed static figures of people, more dynamics in the images of animals; the landscape (glades, rocks) is rendered conditionally, flatly. "

                        To be honest, I don’t know why I should doubt that these miniatures in the manuscript took place. request

                        Completely - https://topwar.ru/164296-imperija-chingishana-i-horezm-poslednij-geroj.html
                        Well, about fakes, there is a series of articles by Shpakovsky - how they are investigated and why.
                      8. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 13: 42
                        -10 qualifying.
                        as if everything comes from there from the Edinburgh Library.
                        I gave references to the historian Mirgaliev and to the academician Petrushevsky, and what are you talking about? To a general link to an academician? And you call it proof? These are the proofs here - burnt liars and they are still supported by the site administration.
                      9. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 14: 02
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                        Again.
                        In Edinburgh. Library. Stored. Manuscript. "Jami at-tavarih". 1306 with miniatures.
                        This manuscript can be viewed on a visit to Edinburgh.
                        Regarding "Mirgaliyev", who is actually Mirgaleev, a colleague of Undecim told you a year ago:
                        This article has nothing to do with illustrations from JĀME 'AL-TAWĀRIḴ, and Bar 2's generalizations about the fact that if one of the works of any author is not illustrated, then there are no illustrations and his other works are not worth a damn.

                        How many more stakes on your head do you need to make before you learn something? Viktor Nikolaevich and I, unlike you, have read Mirgaleev's article ... laughing
                      10. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 14: 23
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                        have you seen this edition yourself? Of course not. But the Leningrad edition announced by Petrushevsky is available and can be viewed in contrast to this Edinburgh edition.

                        When you read the article, did you read there that there were no miniatures, or did you not read it?
                        Out of the blue trying to deceive.
                      11. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 15: 14
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                        There is no Shaub-i Panjgan. fool laughing
                        Is there anything written about Jami at-Tavarikh?
                        Read the article you link to ...
                      12. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 16: 38
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                        in the article by Mirgaleeva gontragenesis.
                      13. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 16: 52
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                        Quote: Bar1
                        gontragenesis.

                        Is that, excuse me? wassat
                      14. Bar1
                        Bar1 13 November 2020 17: 19
                        -5
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Is that, excuse me?

                        it is stubborn contrary to the arguments of reason, i.e. it is you ...
                      15. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 17: 55
                        +5
                        Ah, well then, I see. laughing
                        Good luck and thank you for the subtle, meaningful conversation. laughing
              2. AK1972
                AK1972 13 November 2020 15: 20
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                Quote: Bar1
                have you seen this edition yourself? Of course not.

                I remembered a case. The driver, driving me from the airport, began to explain to me the theory of the flat earth. His main argument was the following: You were on an airplane, and what - did you see the round earth? No, you saw it flat. Everything! Arguments about the existence of projections of geometric figures, stories about the masts of ships on the horizon were not taken into account. I don’t see it, so the earth is flat.
              3. Bar1
                Bar1 13 November 2020 17: 04
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                Quote: AK1972
                Quote: Bar1
                have you seen this edition yourself? Of course not.

                I remembered a case. The driver, driving me from the airport, began to explain to me the theory of the flat earth. His main argument was the following: You were on an airplane, and what - did you see the round earth? No, you saw it flat. Everything! Arguments about the existence of projections of geometric figures, stories about the masts of ships on the horizon were not taken into account. I don’t see it, so the earth is flat.

                Apparently these flat ones were created, such as you refer to them.
              4. AK1972
                AK1972 14 November 2020 06: 11
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                Quote: Bar1
                Apparently these flat ones were created, such as you refer to them.

                Timur, offended? In vain, I didn't mean to upset you. I completely agree with you. The most ancient civilization is the Russian-Etruscan-Slavic-Scythian-Sarmatian, Batu is father, Mamai is mother. Dmitry Donskoy, he is Julius Caesar, he is Tamerlane. 500 years have been cruelly stolen from Russian history. Calm down, take a volume of Fomenko, cover yourself with a checkered rug, drink a couple of glasses of cognac, read a couple of pages and your eyes will close themselves. Sweet Dreams!
              5. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 14 November 2020 06: 24
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                take a volume of Fomenko, cover yourself with a checkered blanket, drink a couple of glasses of cognac, read a couple of pages and your eyes will close by themselves.

                On the fire of the heretics of official history. smile
                Do not mention the name of Fomenko and Nosovsky, otherwise the universal hysteria and curses will begin against them.
            2. Icelord
              Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 59
              -1
              Go to school, I'm tired, I will troll
            3. Icelord
              Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 59
              -1
              I will change my nickname, for whales
            4. Icelord
              Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 00
              -1
              I don't like them anyway, they are useless to people
  2. vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2020 16: 16
    +8
    Mikhail, I’m thinking: Bar is essentially a normal man, but Fomenko ruined him, and how many more brains did he endure?
  3. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 16: 35
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    Quote: vladcub
    I'm thinking: The bar is essentially a normal man

    As a person, I have nothing to say about him. But the fact that they are not born new Chronoloists, but they become - that's for sure. How many more? To many. But such a difficult case is still rare.
  4. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 13 November 2020 15: 46
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    "pork is not eaten in Islam", I will be so categorical. As a child, I knew the Tatar-Kasim Ismailovich, he always bought himself "amateur" sausage. A Bashkir woman works with me, she loves fried bacon. She eats more than most of us
  5. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 November 2020 01: 32
    +3
    You would have cited the Bashkirs, Ural and Siberian Tatars and Chelyabinsk Nagaybaks as an example! The mullah's acquaintance the other day killed a pig, asked about his health, promised to transfer smoked pig meat with garlic upon recovery. Salom is not shared only at home, it treats, Ukrainians in the corner cry away from the Araslanov, Shamazin and Ufaley recipes of the Bashkirs and Tatars. Every second recipe is a family one !!!!
    Regards, Vlad!
  6. Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 16: 32
    0
    Faith is not for you, just chronolozhtsy well, straight kill
  7. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 November 2020 20: 44
    -1
    Igor, good evening.
    Remember, we had a conversation that the Russian Turks beat Peter 1?
    In 1599 the Tatars and Turks wanted to dig the Volgodonsk Canal, and the Russians showed them "who is the boss". Later there was the so-called "Azov sitting", when the Don Cossacks captured the Azov from the Turks.
  8. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 November 2020 21: 02
    0
    Quote: Icelord
    Faith is not for you, just chronolozhtsy well, straight kill

    Michael, the "trilobite" knows how to interfere with shit. Yes, so that sometimes I feel creepy
  9. Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 16: 20
    -1
    That’s a stubborn ignoramus, but there’s no doubt about 12 years. Go and sweep the janitor, you don't have to write, it's not funny anymore.
  10. Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 16: 22
    0
    They'll ban me again, but I would have caught you in Tashkent. I would sit down for life
  11. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 November 2020 20: 58
    +1
    It seems to me that poking is not the best argument.
    I once said that Michael "trilobite" will confirm that he does not really like -. , I sometimes put them for: rudeness and sheer stupidity. Please don't make me put a minus. I believe that rudeness does not adorn men.
  • Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 48
    0
    There was a fatwa allowing. It's simple, but you're not interested
    1. The comment was deleted.
  • Far B
    Far B 13 November 2020 05: 57
    +5
    An interesting series of articles.
    Many people say that Irdogan is restoring the Ottoman Empire. So let the Fatih law also restore. Traditions to honor the same nadot. I wonder if Irdogan has brothers? A string around the neck ... Nya!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 November 2020 06: 38
    +7
    Of course, each sultan deserves a separate article, but overall a good series of articles ..
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 07: 55
    +7
    A very apt title for this series of articles
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 13 November 2020 08: 35
    14

    wonderful! the whole series is read voraciously!
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 09: 52
      +7
      Don't binge, in one gulp ... after a binge it is still necessary and hard to go out. And then bam, and good. laughing
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 13 November 2020 15: 28
        +2
        I have no experience to get out of hard drinking and take my word for it
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 15: 31
          +3
          Astra wild2 (Mom's joy)
          I kind of turned to tlahuikol (Ivan) ... not to you .. smile
  • vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2020 10: 00
    +8
    Valery ,, You ++++++++++++++ interesting material.!
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 11: 45
    14
    Well, it all started with a confrontation with Timur, and ended with a "gallop across Europe and Asia." smile
    Where ... where is everything? The last three centuries have just flown by at a cosmic speed ... Apparently, Valery is simply tired of this pampered East, silk laces, mournful singing of muezzins, midday heat, saffron smell and chirping of cicadas ...
    Similar sensations are probably experienced by the concubine in the harem, when the sovereign promised to come in in the evening, she washed, put on makeup, rubbed herself with rose oil, threw a light tunic over her naked body and waited with trepidation for his appearance ... And he went in, told a joke, waved his pen and dumped on somewhere. laughing
    Valery, is it really possible? Where is everything that readers value your work for? Where are the historical tales, catchphrases, albeit not confirmed by sources, but bright and colorful historical facts, controversial interpretations?
    There is even nothing to criticize here. From paragraph to paragraph: he sat in a cafe, got out, ruled, overthrown, died. I could read this on Wiki. Where are the names of viziers, eunuchs, generals, cunning wives and selfish mistresses, deep oriental wisdom and secret murders accompanied by the cries of peacocks?
    Valery, I demand that the Sultan immediately return to his concubine and honestly fulfill his duty as the owner of the harem!
    laughing
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 12: 15
      11
      Similar sensations are probably experienced by the concubine in the harem, when the sovereign promised to come in in the evening, she washed, put on makeup, rubbed herself with rose oil, threw a light tunic over her naked body and waited with trepidation for his appearance ...

      You told me so deliciously, Mikhail ... repeat You should write scripts! wink Sea Cat and I would even sign up for a casting ... lol
      Valery, I demand that the Sultan immediately return to his concubine and honestly fulfill his duty as the owner of the harem!

      Listen to you, so with the size of the harem, he only had to pay off the debts. fellow There was no time left for politics and war! request That's what I think, why the Vizier always commanded the army ... soldier
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 13 November 2020 12: 40
        +6
        The Sultan has no time: “we tell jokes,” and during the breaks we rewrite the Koran.
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 13: 47
        +6
        Right now I'm starting to write a script for the whole franchise: "The Sultan's Mistake", "The Return of the Sultan", "The Fate of the Sultan" and "The End of the Sultan". The action takes place exclusively in the harem and in the surrounding area. Category "18 plus - 90 minus". The footage of the episodes depends solely on the endurance of the leading actor. Doubles are excluded, even in the last episode, where the end of the sultan will be discussed in detail, perhaps separately from the sultan himself. Sign up for a casting?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 November 2020 14: 53
          +6
          ... the end of the Sultan will be discussed in detail, perhaps separately from the Sultan himself. Sign up for a casting?

          Well, this is already exclusively for the female component, there will be at least some kind of alternative to the end of Gruppenführer Mueller. Although historians are still not sure of the reliability of this.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 13 November 2020 16: 52
            +4
            Mikhail, Schellenberg in: "Labyrinth" writes that Heinrich Müller was seen in Moscow in 1946. In the newspaper “Abroad” there was an article that Müller was still alive in 1948.
            In Moscow, in some cemetery, there is a grave: Muller, but which one? After all, the Germans have Müller no less often than we have Petrov
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 13 November 2020 17: 04
              +4
              Slav, hello, you confused me and Mikhail, it flatters me, but he is unlikely. laughing
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 17: 09
                +4
                It's okay, I'm even flattered ... smile
              2. vladcub
                vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 20
                +4
                You understand, I often conduct a dialogue with Mikhail about the Novokhronolozhites, he is our main anti-Fomenkist, and he wrote it on the "machine".
            2. VLR
              13 November 2020 18: 32
              +5
              Schellenberg assured that Mueller went over to the side of the "communists".
              Here's how he conveys one conversation with him:

              "To steer the conversation down a different path, I said in a light-hearted and jocular tone:
              - Excellent, Herr Müller. Let's start saying "Heil Stalin" right away, and our little dad Mueller will become the head of the NKVD.
              He looked at me, a sinister grin lurking in his eyes.
              “That would be great,” he replied in a disdainful tone, and his Bavarian accent was stronger. - Then you and your die-hard bourgeois friends would have to swing on the gallows ...

              Our conversation took place just at the time when Müller became an ideological shape-shifter ...
              Who knows how many people then moved under his influence to the eastern camp?
              .
              In 1945 he joined the communists, and in 1950 a German officer who had returned from Russian captivity told me that in 1948 he had seen Müller in Moscow. Mueller died shortly after that meeting. "
              But there is no confirmation of this version.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 14 November 2020 09: 37
                0
                Valery, thank you for the excerpt from Schellenberg. I read this, somewhere in 1999 or 2000, and I don't remember the details.
                Even at school, I met a girl with an amazing memory, she could read a page, and then after 5 years she could quote, she only had to tell where it was written. We didn’t believe and checked, she could remember what she had read in 2 years. Alas, I have no such memory.
        2. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 13 November 2020 15: 14
          +4
          "The Sultan is almost invisible", "Fight of the Sultan after the victory", "Shield and sword of the Sultan" ... laughing
        3. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 13 November 2020 15: 23
          +5
          Michael, sign me up for the role of "valid": I am already useless for the role of a concubine, but I can handle the role of the Sultan's mother. I am smart: I made friends with the wife of the "kid" all over, which means I can get along with the wife of the Sultan
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 15: 38
            +7
            The Sultan and I have not yet decided. Maybe you will have to take on the role of his daughter. smile
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 13 November 2020 16: 37
              +6
              the sultan was undecided

              ,,, hard now with the cinema crying After all, what are the criteria? Let me add a little to you, a Down syndrome patient, an Asian and a Negro, who was shot in the leg by a police officer, after which she was amputated, hammer each other and discuss the fact that it is not good to look at women as sexual objects. wassat And you, harem, Mikhail, suggest No.
              ,,, under Clint Eastwood, there was no such nonsense
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 17: 00
                +5
                Quote: bubalik
                a Down syndrome patient, an Asian and a black man who was shot in the leg by a police officer and then amputated, beat each other and discuss the fact that it is not good to look at women as sexual objects.

                That is, all these characters will need to be settled in a harem, add a couple of lesbian feminists, and for greater tolerance, so that there are no questions - one zoophile and a couple of coprophages ... At the same time they will clean up ...
                Yes, bad luck. With such a harem, we will not find anyone for the role of the sultan. I certainly would not agree, which means I cannot offer to others. laughing
                We'll have to close the project ... It's a pity, Vera (Astra wild) will be upset ... recourse
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 13 November 2020 17: 51
                  +4
                  We'll have to close the project ...

                  Samsonof ???
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 November 2020 17: 57
                  +3
                  With such a harem, we will not find anyone for the role of the sultan.
                  We'll call the good Doctor Sasha. He is a great specialist in alternatively gifted individuals. "Haloperidol! For everyone! And let no one leave offended!"
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 13 November 2020 17: 03
                +4
                ... a Down syndrome patient, an Asian and a black man who was shot in the leg by a police officer ...

                Hi Sergey hi Forgot to mention that he is gay, as the genre should be. laughing
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 02
                  +3

                  Remembering the same Eastwood.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 13 November 2020 18: 06
                    +4
                    Here Eastwood just did not immediately notice. laughing
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 34
                      +4
                      “Going to the“ parterre ”, the Brazilian did not calculate the centrifugal movement that opened her kimono, and knocked down the sportswoman from the Netherlands. The judges considered it a technical victory. (Jigoro Kano "A Bit About Women's Sports")
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 November 2020 19: 09
                        +4
                        "I asked the ash tree:" Where is my beloved? " (from)
                        Ash sympathized: "She's knocked out ..." laughing
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 14
                        +5
                        "I asked the cop:" Where is my beloved? "
                        He told me: "I'll show you!", And along the ridge with a club "(C)
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 13 November 2020 19: 21
                        +5
                        "Eh, club, hoot! Eh, the green one will go by itself!" (C)
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        "I asked the cop:


                        Here we live! negative
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 35
                        +2
                        And those who are on the right, are they really our compatriots?
                      6. Phil77
                        Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 41
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        our compatriots?

                        They check the presence of the mask and draw up the protocols exactly ours. In the spring I did not believe that it would come to this. Now I believe it has come!
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 56
                        +2
                        Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.
                  2. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 13 November 2020 20: 07
                    +2
                    Sergei, do you still doubt the reality of the virus? If you want, I will send you the number of deaths per week: total and from the virus. True, this is "for official use" the main one, so that there is no panic, ordered: to write off for tuberculosis or heart failure.
                    Ask Vyacheslav Olegovich, ask how many of his acquaintances are sick or died.
                    And about the mask mode, of course, annoying, but it's better in a mask on the ground than without and in the ground
                  3. Phil77
                    Phil77 13 November 2020 20: 34
                    +3
                    Dear Vera!
                    I answer on points.
                    Quote: Astra wild2
                    doubt the reality of the virus?

                    Don't you think this flu mutation is just another?
                    Quote: Astra wild2
                    the chief, so that there was no panic, ordered: to blame it on tuberculosis or heart failure.

                    Is it a secret for you that there is a surcharge for work with * virus viruses *?
                    Quote: Astra wild2
                    Ask Vyacheslav Olegovich

                    I do not deny the presence of the disease, I deny the excitement around it! This massive psychosis! How many people in the world die from tuberculosis, from oncology, from the heart and blood vessels ????? with this disease? Who, who am I asking you, was Rospotrebnadzor before the * pandemic *, eh? Who were Popova and Sobyanin before it ?! And who are they now ?!
                    Quote: Astra wild2

                    And about the mask mode, of course, annoying, but it's better in a mask on the ground than without and in the ground

                    Are you sure of this ???? That the mask will save you?! Themselves non-committed doctors and virologists claim the opposite! Masks are intended for SICK people !!!
                    Gloves are generally funny !!!!
                    It turned into a business! This whole struggle!
                    In the 70s, the flu was raging in Moscow, schools were half empty, I remember that, but it never came to such idiocy !!!! Why? You ask? Yes, because the authorities listened to the opinion of * specialists * !!! And not people like Sabyanin and, if she was wrong, Popova! You still remember Onishchenko, his fight with wines from Moldova, and * Borjomi *, yourself know where from!
                    Here is my answer! Regards, me.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 05
      +4
      Quote: Sea Cat
      that he is gay, as the genre should be.

      Good evening everyone! And this applies only to boxers?

      laughing
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 November 2020 19: 14
        +3
        Tolerance in all sports!
        "Long live dry sport, we roll balls in our pants!" (from)
        Little Johnny Mayakovsky is a gymnasium opus. laughing
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 18
        +3
        "Real men play hockey!
        Gay - doesn't play hockey! "
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 21
          +3
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Real men play hockey!
          Gay - doesn't play hockey! "

          Aha, aha, in the past!

          This is of course purely a game moment, but ...
          There are more * scary * photos. laughing
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 23
            +3
            Quote: Phil77
            * scary *

            But this is Scary and terrible Vinnie Jones! Then the football player, now almost an actor!
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 32
            +3
            No, well, what? Real boy! Richie knows how to select actors. Stethem is from the same galaxy.
          3. Phil77
            Phil77 13 November 2020 19: 35
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Real boy!

            After that moment Gascoigne himself admitted that his mind was clouded from pain, such are the customs of English football.
          4. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 41
            +4
            Well, this is not Russian football. "We walk slowly and smile at the cameras"
      3. bubalik
        bubalik 13 November 2020 19: 32
        +5
        ,, as the judge said: - "Dziuba's hand was in the correct position" repeat
        bully
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 13 November 2020 17: 44
    +4
    "And squinting like Clint Eastwood,
    Captain Voronin (Mikhailov) looked after them "(C)
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 13 November 2020 18: 07
      +3
      "Captain Bering
      Opened our wild shore -
      What a wonderful captain!
      And to this shore is wild
      Beats with a wave Quiet,
      Terrible Pacific Ocean. "(C)
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 15
        +5
        "You whisper to me:" We will meet again, I know for sure. "
        The ocean breeze washes my hair.
        A distant blue waits in its arms -
        Tart Kamchatka, goodbye ...
        Holy caps with gold ribbons.
        Service silver whiskey, border locked.
        The patrols of the Motherland pour awards in circles,
        The sun will rise on time - sleep the Country calmly.
        Sailing like a white bird over Avach
        We drank the patterns of autumn.
        Touching her lips with tender, hot breasts;
        Tasting a girl's smile.
        The glow is bathed in sunrises
        The young bride looks up into the sky.
        Somewhere in the clouds of gray beloved hands -
        Tart Kamchatka, goodbye ...
        The Milky Way sparkles in the heart with strings
        We will return with a song thankful -
        Sprinkle your lips with crystal jets!
        Remember us more often, faithful friends.
        Sailing like a white bird over Avach
        The dew of the starry wing melted.
        Whirlwinds swirled a fiery dance
        The girl hid tears in her palms.
        You whisper to me: "We will meet, I know for sure."
        The white moon melts sadly with a candle.
        In the light haze, a feathery flourish flames -
        Tart Kamchatka ... Goodbye ...
        Goodbye ... "(c)
  • Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 55
    0
    There are two types of people. Some have a loaded revolver, while others are digging a hole
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 13 November 2020 18: 36
    +1
    I heard that Vladkub was interested in the role of the Sultan. Most likely he was seduced by a harem
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 19: 17
      +2
      Apparently, Svyatoslav is not aware of the new requirements for the cast and characters ... Honestly I warn you: the harem will be so-so ... to put it mildly ... laughing
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 27
      0
      I heard that Vladkub was interested in the role of the Sultan. Most likely he was seduced by a harem

      Vera, you both must by all means give joint discussions in the script! wink These will be the best dialogues! love
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 16: 30
    +8
    The footage of the episodes depends solely on the endurance of the leading actor.

    Will there be buns? laughing Like a depraved Carlson, I have to ask this question ... repeat

    Doubles are excluded, even in the last episode, where the end of the Sultan will be discussed in detail, perhaps separately from the Sultan himself.

    Will this "black comedy" be? belay
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 13 November 2020 16: 44
      +5
      ,,, with such criteria, "short film".
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 November 2020 17: 07
        +4
        As always, computer graphics will help out. wink
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 17: 10
        +4
        Quote: bubalik
        ,,, with such criteria, "short film".

        The main thing is that people are interested ... laughing
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 November 2020 17: 55
          +3
          Some people are also interested in Dom2 ...
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 16: 50
      +7
      It will be an action game with horror elements. If it comes up commercially (which I have no doubt about), then I have already come up with a sequel: "The End of the Sultan: Confrontation" and "The End of the Sultan: War without Limbs". Then you can still think about the dilogy "Adventures of the End of the Sultan - ordinary and incredible" and "Holidays of the End of the Sultan" - let it be a prequel. laughing
      For the role of the main character in the first films, you need to take Chulpan Khamatova - she has such (action-horror) scenes that turn out cool - take the same Zuleikha. But for the role of the Sultan I don't even know who to take. I want to offer as a fee the whole harem extras for a week after the end of filming, in the same scenery, do you think anyone will agree? smile
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 13 November 2020 16: 52
        +6
        will anyone agree?

      2. vladcub
        vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 33
        +5
        For the role of the Sultan? Perhaps I'll think about it. Seductively
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 November 2020 18: 01
          +6
          I do not advise - they crash. negative Samsonoff.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 09
            +5
            Samsonoff.
            Bad vodka. I do not recommend it. "Palenka", definitely.
      3. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 19: 32
        +4
        But for the role of the Sultan I don't even know who to take. I want to offer as a fee the whole harem extras for a week after the end of filming, in the same scenery, do you think anyone will agree?

        So I propose.
        1. for the role of the Sultan - the Sea Cat. The question is that he will not only have time to do his Sultan's work, but will also sketch his odalisques in paints - and he draws cool, I give a tooth. good But then Valery Ryzhov will have a selection of not only portraits of the sultans, but also portraits of the harem workers.
        Then you can still think about the dilogy "Adventures of the End of the Sultan - ordinary and incredible" and "Holidays of the End of the Sultan" - let it be a prequel.

        He is a professional cynical tanker. You can kill an elephant with a cannon. Therefore, only in conjunction with the performer himself. stop Otherwise he will not sign the contract, and we will lose a lot of money and a bunch of Oscars for three films! Sometimes it is necessary to give up ... For the sake of mutual pleasure and utilitarian benefit ...
        2. For the role of shahzadeh - Shpakovsky. With a warning ... Will misbehave ... Ah-ta-ta, let's rewrite the script! wink
        3. Hmm .. for the role of the main concubines ... I don't even know ...
        4. For the role of minor loose odalisok - go through dating sites, 20 percent from 20 years old offer themselves for iPhones and other goodies. negative
        5. For the role of the Grand Vizier - the wise and cunning Michael - the Master of the Trilobite. tongue Yes, sir, you have to be responsible for ideas like an inveterate revolutionary. drinks
        6. For the role of the main court poet - Anton 3x3zsave. With separate scenes with ladies driven mad by them. Imagine - he was not even caught "hot" according to the plot! request
        7. The chief of the cavalry is the dashing Bubalik. With a separate harem. good
        All the rest are courtiers in turbans, also with harems, but each uses his own! stop It will then be possible to shoot the series with a bunch of plot branches! fellow
        There are options - suggest, my dears! drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 51
          +5
          A paragraph of some sort! No one has offered me the role of the fourth plan yet! How low I fell in acting. crying
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 04
            +2
            No one has offered me the role of the fourth plan yet! How low I fell in acting.

            Why the fourth? belay This will be one of the main lines of the film - a secret visit by the court poet-singer of at least two beloved wives! And he will not be caught! The romance is solid! Climbing at night secretly on stepladders attached to the windows of the seraglio, digging into the rooms of beloved women, finally, chase and fight with four guards (we will recruit them from the "opinions" forum, from the screamers, but we will give you a real club ...), etc. .Absolute happiness! winked With four ladies you will run away to America, and there is bourbon and slavery! good Generally chocolate!
            Who else would advise you such a thing, Knight ?! drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 13 November 2020 20: 13
              +2
              Who else would advise you such a thing, Knight ?!
              Already advised. Karogodsky.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 14
                +3
                Already advised. Karogodsky.

                I do not know him! request
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 November 2020 20: 24
                  +2
                  Fine. Forgivable. You are not from the "generation of janitors and watchmen". Me too, but communicated with "Zyama" personally.
                2. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 30
                  +3
                  You are not from the "generation of janitors and watchmen".

                  As a "watchman" I did a good job. Sometimes I even earned more than in my native gray uniform ... what It was such a time!
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 13 November 2020 20: 38
                  +3
                  Me too, but ten years earlier. And this has nothing to do with the quote.
                4. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 21: 43
                  +2
                  And this has nothing to do with the quote.

                  I missed it, but we will make the main singer out of you ... yes Odalisques will run to you at night ... Humble yourself, Knight - you will be a handsome poet! drinks
  • bubalik
    bubalik 13 November 2020 19: 57
    +5
    ,, and Pane Kohanka with a silk cord will flaunt ?! belay
    The advantage of a harem is that the larger it is, the higher the likelihood that there will be at least one who does not have a headache. tongue
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 07
      +5
      and Pane Kohanku with a silk cord will flaunt

      I will hold it in my hands, the shahzadeh will be fined, and Mikhail will rewrite our script ... repeat
      ..But behind my back there will be a dashing warrior - the head of the famous Anatolian cavalry - in a golden helmet, and with a huge kilich in his hands!drinks And I will be calm ... yes
    2. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 20: 15
      +7
      Quote: bubalik
      there is at least one who does not have a headache.

      There it never hurts for anyone ... Imagine:
      - Leila!
      - I have a headache!
      - Okay, get well. Gulchatay!
      - I'm ready, lord!
      - Lord, I no longer hurt either!
      - Rest, Leila. I'll come back later, in a month or two.
      And besides, the sultan can send a lace instead of citramon ...
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 44
        +5
        And besides, the sultan can send a lace instead of citramon ...

        continue the list:
        8. Vladklub with Astra - polemicizing relatives of the Sultan. Always polemicizing ... laughing good Separate line possible! stop
        9. The courtier astrologer, who knows everything, but distributes to everyone in fact, without distinction in rank - Victor Nikolaevich Undecim. Long monologues with examples are a chic charismatic role. Will rip off the Oscar. good
        10. The head of the "secret service" - Vlad Kotische. Outwardly friendly, but can grind into powder with a soft paw ... Loves cats very much! yes
        11. Sergei-Phil is the main helmsman. Lives with new discoveries. According to the plot, he was the first in the world to launch a balloon and a hang glider. Invented a new type of howitzers. Introduced blunderbuss in the cavalry.
        12. Treasurer of the Sultanate - Krasnodar. This one certainly corrected the state of the empire. laughing
        13. Lexus - the head of the bashibuzouks. Reckless and fast, although not always shy in expressions, he knows how to swing a saber. wink

        A harem for everyone! fellow

        Who else is in line, my friends? drinks
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 November 2020 20: 53
          +3
          Quote: Pane Kohanku

          Who else is in line, my friends?

          So, Nikolai! And now about the main thing ...
          Who is he? The main man of the harem? Who do you see in this role? wink

          So???
        2. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 20: 59
          +3
          Nikolay, they burned down the whole office!
          We are encrypted here, we do not greet each other when we meet, and you ... The Inquisition is now going to fine us on this list for the flood. And Viach. Ol., With Vic. Nick. for example, without even participating in this coven, they will receive a comment with entry into a personal file ...
          laughing
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 21: 23
            +5
            According to this list, the Inquisition is now going to fine us for the flood.

            I will then voluntarily leave the company ...
            Flood? Let the "news" and "opinions" be removed. 80% of comments. I'm just saying - it's scary to go there. "There are many people, but I don't see people," as Diogenes said. Because 80% of the population prefers not to discuss, but to throw out the contents of the rectum at others! Like money on a bench! Yesterday a couple of shrill degenerates from these sections really ruined the entire branch on Yuferev with the Prussian infantry. Well, they really spoiled it! They wrote nonsense .. slogans .. but what does this have to do with history? No words ... And there was nothing more to read and discuss. Someone was banned from them - elementary, for clinical stupidity? Hardly. We breed patriotism, damn it. request not historical opinion!
            Patriots, damn it .. if something happened, they don't know how to hold weapons, Internet warriors ... Ugh! negative
            And Viach. Ol., With Vic. Nick. for example, without even participating in this coven, they will receive a comment with entry into a personal file ...

            Nothing, I gave them good roles ... laughing
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 13 November 2020 21: 53
            +4
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Nikolay, they burned down the whole office!


            Nothing, guys, we are resourceful. wink
        3. Phil77
          Phil77 13 November 2020 21: 38
          +7
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          11. Sergei-Phil is the main helmsman. Lives with new discoveries. According to the plot, he was the first in the world to launch a balloon and a hang glider. Invented a new type of howitzers. Introduced blunderbuss in the cavalry.

          I don't want, I want, I want ... to become an architect! Of course, we didn’t graduate from the conservatory, but there will be some thoughts. laughing
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 21: 40
            +4
            I don't want, I want, I want ... to become an architect! Of course, we didn’t graduate from the conservatory, but there will be some thoughts.

            This should be discussed with Mikhail, but I will support you in your hopes! drinks
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 13 November 2020 21: 42
            +4
            Quote: Phil77
            . to the architect

            Or is it a cure for coronavirus?
          3. Lexus
            Lexus 15 November 2020 02: 18
            +2
            Sergei hi,
            at the base of the bashibuzouks, you will be a welcome guest as a healer. good

      2. Lexus
        Lexus 15 November 2020 02: 02
        +1
        Kolya hi,
        the leader of the Bashi-bazouks agrees with the appointment. "Test drive", "run-in", "training" of concubines to be distributed to harems, and the accompanying "sins" I take upon myself. In short, I will be brief - love your wives. Fornication is evil. "Please be understanding." (FROM) repeat laughing
  • Phil77
    Phil77 13 November 2020 20: 46
    +4
    Quote: bubalik
    which does not have a headache.

    And also a CHOICE! laughing Without consequences and reproaches!
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 20: 45
    +6
    Of us actors, I'm afraid weak. For such a film, I and Bezrukov would only take on the role of a silent eunuch.
    So this:
    The main female role is Chulpan Khamatova, that's understandable. She impressed me with her passion in Zuleikh.
    Sultan - Rocco Siffredi. This one won't let you down.
    Vizier - Danny de Vito. Will rummage back and forth, make funny faces.
    Sultan's mother - sorry there is no Tatyana Peltzer, Svetlana Kryuchkova will have to be taken.
    The chief eunuch is Alexander Baluev. Terrible person.
    The dumb eunuch - Bezrukov, I have already said. He will want to say at least a word in the frame, but he cannot ... I want to see what kind of sick eyes he will have.
    We will make up Lyokha Panin as a girl and send him to the harem. What category of poor man would he fit? Well, there, for tolerance?
    Who else?
    There will be problems with the concubines ... Take it on the Internet - so they are all lipstick there as a blueprint, it will not turn out historically. Although, on the other hand, we are not shooting for the sake of history ... Okay, we got it. The first fifty profiles of girls from 20 to 23 years old - they are still all the same ...
    We also need lesbian feminists, it is desirable that at least one be with Down syndrome ...
    I will think...
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 13 November 2020 21: 28
      +3
      ,,,, we take from MsK.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 13 November 2020 21: 32
        +3
        Quote: bubalik
        , we take from MsK

        Nah! laughing

        Valide! However. good
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 13 November 2020 21: 44
      +4
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      I'll think

      Good evening, Michael!
      And the ubiquitous Petrov where ??? * Cop from Rublevka *? laughing
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 22: 20
        +4
        And the ubiquitous Petrov where ??? * Cop from Rublevka *?

        into eunuchs. The very place. Enrages.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 13 November 2020 22: 47
        +4
        Petrova
        , no offense repeat , the most Jewish surname in the Russian Federation. smile
      3. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 23: 15
        +4
        Quote: Phil77
        ubiquitous Petrov

        He already walks Gogol. Enough with him.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 15 November 2020 02: 28
      +2
      Michael hi ,
      You underestimate us unfairly. Оnly big guns we will provide without Rocco Siffredi. wink
      The rest of the "actors" are quite even very stellar. Trust the leader of the Bashi-bazouks. soldier
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 20
    +4
    It seems to me that Lars von Trier has already shot something similar, "Dogville" is called ...
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 19: 15
      +4
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Lars von Trier has already shot something similar

      Rather Tinto Brass ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 19: 23
        +5
        If only “Calligula”, and then Brass worked there indirectly.
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 19: 36
      +4
      It seems to me that Lars von Trier has already shot something similar

      I wrote you there as a court poets according to the script ... repeat Do you mind, secret visitor to the harems? wink Eeeee, the captain wasn't there! stop
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 13 November 2020 19: 41
        +4
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        the captain was not there!

        Was not - will be. smile
        Perhaps the plot with the Russian cavalry guards is just filming ... smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 13 November 2020 20: 01
          +2
          "The cavalry guard does not last long,
          And that is why he is so sweet! "(C)
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 13 November 2020 20: 12
            +4
            Perhaps the plot with the Russian cavalry guards is just filming ...

            In general, one of the few (if not the only) Christians was lucky enough to visit the harem ... General Kutuzov ... Therefore, we change Captain M. to General K. yes
            Well .. I agree, basically! I do not promise to get fat - we will put a belly of cotton wool, if that what ... I'll put on a blindfold. And with caution and lasciviousness, I think I will justify the hope! soldier
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 11: 30
    -2
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Where are historical stories, catchphrases, albeit not confirmed by sources, but bright and colorful historical facts, controversial interpretations

    And really - where is all this? After all, this is exactly what the notebook "historians" of the Shpakovsky type differ in.
    "Pane Kohanka", as a lover of "historical science," likes it better - "... she washed herself, put on makeup, rubbed herself with rose oil, threw a light tunic over her naked body ......." laughing
    1. Icelord
      Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 10
      +1
      This is a legend, maybe it never happened. And it is recorded by the Turks.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 24
        -2
        Quote: Icelord
        This is a legend, maybe it never happened. And it is recorded by the Turks.

        If you like fantasy, I don't see anything wrong with that. The bad news is that the author passes it off as a scientific article on history. This is not about VA Ryzhov's article. I have no complaints about the article under discussion, because it does not have a pronounced literary spirit.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 26
          +1
          Are there other opinions?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 29
            -3
            Quote: Icelord
            Are there other opinions?

            Of course have. Your.
    2. Icelord
      Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 11
      +1
      Do you have better sources?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 26
        -3
        Quote: Icelord
        Do you have better sources?

        Do you eat and are satisfied with what they give? Even if it's animal food?
        1. Icelord
          Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 28
          +1
          Misunderstood, what nonsense? What is animal food? Can you explain
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 41
            -3
            Quote: Icelord
            Misunderstood, what nonsense? What is animal food? Can you explain

            Well, for example, there is an article "History of the city of Moscow" This article contains data from various chronicles, data from archeology, toponyms, etc., etc. And there is an article that contains excerpts from various historical novels in which writers mention the city. Moscow. Can you catch the difference?
            The first article is for those interested in the true history of Moscow, and the second - for "fun", like a detective at night. Such "amateurs" are not interested in the history of Moscow, the main thing for them is entertainment.
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 44
              +2
              What nonsense are you writing, what is the article? Calm down already, or name it.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 47
                -3
                Quote: Icelord
                What nonsense are you writing, what is the article? Calm down already, or name it.

                Oh, yes, you cannot understand what you have read!
                I wrote in Russian - for example ...
        2. Icelord
          Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 31
          +2
          Are you out of your mind or commies?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 45
            -3
            Quote: Icelord
            Are you out of your mind or commies?

            Of course in his. Lead not and have mercy to be in yours.
            1. Icelord
              Icelord 14 November 2020 15: 49
              +2
              Bosk's mother, save and save, so that the brains in Krasnoyarsk are not frozen)))
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 15 November 2020 17: 25
                +4
                Bosk's mother, save and save, so that the brains in Krasnoyarsk are not frozen)))

                Igor, do not pay attention to this figure.
    3. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 15 November 2020 17: 22
      +3
      "Pane Kohanku", as a lover of "historical science", likes

      I like normal communication with nice people. And not an eternal showdown for any reason. Apparently, this is sometimes the only joy for "some" - to spoil the mood of others ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2020 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        I like normal communication with nice people.

        This is what your beloved Shpakovsky writes to me -
        [quote = kalibr It's time for you to understand that no matter what you believe in yourself, it is important to be able to make others believe in it! [/ quote]
        And he also wrote, to my reproach for the low quality of his works, that for such readers it will do. So, do not eat, as they say.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 15 November 2020 22: 14
          +2
          So, do not eat, as they say.

          This is not the point. hi 1. You specifically mentioned me. Twice before You managed to offend me, including doubts about my orientation (I cannot confirm - the branch is overwritten). hi
          2. And so. Regardless of the authors, gathered here normal people. Relatively smart, and everyone is free to write about his own. Everything - respect each other, and no one swears.
          3. The question is different - a person comes and begins to criticize everything and everyone. To criticize, to offend .. Offering nothing in return! Yes, yes, I mean you! You are so unique ... request
          What do you think will be the reaction? request
          4. Want to chat? We're glad. Sincerely. TBut let's not communicate in such a way as to throw out our anger at others. And so that it really was normal conflict-free communication. Are you a doc in history? - you are welcome to comment on unclear things hitherto! good It will be a great plus for you and for everyone on the site! We will discuss with pleasure!
          5. As for personally meAs
          lover of "historical science"

          then I ask you to read this:
          https://topwar.ru/158768-petershtadt-broshennaja-igrushka-petra-iii.html
          Then it will become clear to you whether I am a lover personally or "amateur"... But, it seems, this is the most detailed work of the existing ones ... hi
          Please then decide how we will interact further. But if I once again sing insults from you and other things (and you deliberately mentioned me in the commentary - apparently, I don't like me personally, it’s not clear why ... strange .. you didn’t say a rude word!), You will simply cease to exist for me as an interlocutor. As if, no offense - read above, for a number of signs. hi
          In the meantime, I hope for mutual understanding. I emphasize that bad emotions are unnecessary. stop You can communicate in different ways, and so as not to offend anyone. And smart people will always find common themes ... hi Something like this!
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2020 23: 19
            +1
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            This is not the point.

            No, that's it. But I will not develop this idea for fear that you will again decide that I want to offend you. I do not pursue such goals and did not pursue earlier.
            There is a proverb - "Love obscures the eyes." Think about it. hi
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 16 November 2020 11: 18
              +1
              There is a proverb - "Love obscures the eyes."

              Let's not swear anymore. Well him. drinks
  • vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2020 12: 35
    +6
    "at the first opportunity he executed the Albanian Patron Khalil," probably that Khalil thought: so help the Sultan after that.
  • old friend
    old friend 13 November 2020 14: 38
    +4
    In principle, based on what has been said, much becomes clear. IMHO, Porta was doomed at this level of rulers. What could be expected from the sultans, who spent half their lives in isolation and had neither experience, nor authority, nor time to learn (behind a wide batin's back) management, and, finally, health? Together with the solution of the problem of internecine strife and fratricidal wars, they came to the banal "castration" of the rulers. A whole series of "impotent" in power will shatter any empire. Only one thing is surprising - how stable the empire was.
    To the author - thank you very much for the educational program!
  • paul72
    paul72 13 November 2020 14: 59
    +3
    The sultanate was abolished in November 1922, and the republic was proclaimed in October 1923.
    Mehmed VI's successor Abdul Majid II was a caliph without the title of sultan
    1. VLR
      13 November 2020 16: 50
      +5
      The title of Caliph Sultan was deprived on November 18, 1922. And the status is incomprehensible for the Turkish state - yes. Because before the Lausanne Peace Treaty on July 24, 1923, the Turks, in fact, did not have a state - a small stub left by the Entente. If it were not for Kemal, who led the Turkish resistance to the invaders and won two wars - with Armenia and Greece, and Lenin, who promptly organized aid, Turkey would not exist now. We will talk about this a little more.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 13 November 2020 15: 12
    +4
    I wish you all good health.
    Valery, thank you very much for the work done. Your work was more relevant to us today than ever. Our manager was probably hinted that they could change. And which of the leaders wants to lose their place? My grandmother told me that in 1958, her factory director left his wife and work in order to marry a young woman, I don’t know anything else like that.
    Our head growled like a wild animal, when he calmed down, we calmed down with your work
  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 13 November 2020 15: 35
    +1
    Quote: old friend
    how stable the empire was after all.

    It is explained by the rivalry of the great powers of Europe: there were always forces that supported the Turks and did not allow them to completely collapse.
    Of course, the European powers pursued their own goals
  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 13 November 2020 15: 36
    +2
    And what prevented them from the very beginning to introduce the principle of inheritance of power from father to eldest son and to consolidate it by law?
    1. VLR
      13 November 2020 17: 27
      +2
      Mehmed Fatih, it seems, was a fatalist: to whom Allah helps, he will ascend to the throne. And Allah, you see, will not leave his chosen one without help. Suleiman the Magnificent wrote about the same. But it turned out at first a tough "natural selection". And then - cafes, from which "sterile" sultans emerged, having neither military nor administrative experience.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 13 November 2020 16: 25
    +1
    The author is a huge plus for all the articles! The only addition is that this law has existed before, it still remains all over the globe.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2020 16: 41
    +1
    "During the reign of Mustafa, Russian troops took Azov", Valeriy, actually Azov and before Peter 1 was captured by the Don Cossacks. Unfortunately, I do not know the details, it seems that they captured Azov by deception. It would be nice to read more about this case.
    1. VLR
      13 November 2020 17: 21
      +3
      Yes, Azov is a long-suffering fortress. The Don Cossacks took it and did not hold it, Peter I took it and did not hold it, and only Anna Ioannovna finally annexed it.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 24
        +3
        Valery, is it true that the Don Cossacks captured him by deception?
        1. VLR
          13 November 2020 17: 33
          +3
          Yes, they seemed to be besieging him for two months. And they took with the help of a certain "German" Johan Ardanov, who was in their ranks and knew mine business well - he blew up the wall. This hardly falls under the category of "cheating."
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 42
            +3
            About this I do not know anything AT ALL. Only in passing "Azov seat", but why such a fright was captured, who is the leader, what is the number ???
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 30
        +4
        Actually, I read your not the most flattering reviews about Peter. To some extent, they destroy the textbook gloss, but if you think about it, you will agree
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 48
        +3
        Probably they meant: "under Anna Ioanovna they added"? ...
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 11: 51
      -1
      Quote: vladcub
      it seems they captured Azov by deception. It would be nice to read more about this case.

      The Russian theme is not interesting for local "historians". Don't you understand this from most of the "historical" articles on the site?
      1. Icelord
        Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 02
        0
        Like really nafig, let's get a new story.
      2. Icelord
        Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 04
        -1
        Freeze the brains, commune? Although it was not. By definition
  • vladcub
    vladcub 13 November 2020 17: 59
    +3
    The cafes were like a warehouse for the sultans. Here is the question: everyone went over the different Selims and Mehmed, and is it weak to change the dynasty? In Serbia, the Obrenovichs were replaced by the Karageorgievichs. And in Turkey they could change the dynasty.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 13 November 2020 18: 43
    +4
    Meanwhile, Valery, thank you for your efforts!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 13 November 2020 19: 18
    +1
    In Turkey there were Kafes, and in RI Kholmogory, where the family of Anna Leopoldovna was kept and for them affected their mental abilities. And among the sultans of the "graduates" of cafes, there were also sensible ones: Ahmed 3 thought there was universal primary education, and this was at the beginning of the 18th century!
    Selim 3 wanted to open military schools. It turns out that European trends penetrated into the Cafe.? So there was some kind of education. Perhaps some of the ruling ts sultans "thought about future cadres"
    1. VLR
      13 November 2020 19: 21
      +4
      It probably depended on the personality of the prisoner of the cafe. Someone asked for books, someone rewrote the Koran, someone quietly drank themselves and smoked.
      By the way, about Kholmogory - a sensible thought. And also John Antonovich can be considered our prisoner of the cafe - the fate of a typical Ottoman shehzade, and in fact he was the legitimate emperor
  • depressant
    depressant 13 November 2020 21: 49
    +1
    Yes, our dear Author was probably tired and at once flew past the story, which is full of charm for me, in the introduction. At least the beginning. And it began, this story, with a meeting of a girl with a strong character, extremely independent, with the young Sultan Ahmed I. The girl took the Sultan for a simple servant and made friends with him, not suspecting that she was brought to the palace because of her own portrait, - the sultan fell in love with the portrait!
    Of course, this is a movie, the series "The Magnificent Century. The Kyosem Empire". But all the characters are historical. The fact that Mr. Ryzhov did it in one or two paragraphs, the series stretched out into many episodes full of tragedy. The little girl became Kyosem, that is, "the most beloved", and, having survived the death of her husband from illness (to be honest, the movie sultan was sympathetic to me), she saved and brought to the throne a child alien to her under the name of Mehmed IV.
    Unlike the series about Roxollan, the Kyosem Empire's narrative is filled with much more brutality than it actually took place. Suleiman the Magnificent's reign was much softer. Even taking into account the murder of Ibrahim's faithful friend.
    Based on the series of events in both series, the impression was that the Janissaries played a significant role in the internal politics of Turkey at that time, and the further, the more their importance increased. Kyosem, not suffering from a lack of intelligence and personal courage, gradually manipulated them.
    In general, the Turks see their history of that time as the rule of extraordinary, intelligent and insidious women trying to survive and bring their offspring to power. This is how the fear of death and the possibility of the death of your child discipline. How familiar!
    And yes, harems, judging by the films, are still gadyushniki.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 15: 03
      0
      Quote: depressant
      And yes, harems, judging by the films, are still gadyushniki.

      You not only judge about harems by the films, which is not so scary, but, as it turned out, about history too. What unpleasantly surprised me. It is regrettable.
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 November 2020 16: 35
        +2
        I grieve with you, dear colleague Krasnoyarsk! love hi )))
        I'm not a historian! ))) In no way do I pretend to know this subject. I just wanted to express an impression about the series - it's not forbidden, isn't it?))))
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2020 17: 49
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          I just wanted to express

          What a woman wants, that wants ...
          I bow my head with my right hand to my chest. It's a pity there is no such emoticon. But, fortunately, there is one. love love love
          1. depressant
            depressant 14 November 2020 19: 25
            +1
            Thank you for your understanding, dear colleague!)) love love love )))
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 15 November 2020 08: 30
          +1
          I support you
  • Icelord
    Icelord 14 November 2020 14: 00
    +2
    Wonderful. Thank you sincerely. That is why the janissaries were fired from cannons. But it's late