"Erdogan raised a new generation of Janissaries": Greek press about the new flight of Armenians from Turkey

As a result of the outcome of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, hundreds of Armenians flee from Istanbul. The Greeks can follow in their footsteps in the event of an open conflict between Athens and Ankara.

The Greek edition Pentapostagma writes about this, calling Istanbul Constantinople and pointing to the appearance at the disposal of the Turkish leader of an informal force capable of carrying out ethnic cleansing:

Erdogan has raised a new generation of janissaries, acting as an out-of-control mob against anyone denounced by the Turkish government.

This is forcing hundreds of Armenians living in Istanbul to flee or hastily look for ways to leave. A "new flight of Armenians" has been announced.

There is a huge hatred in Turkey, directed exclusively against the Armenians in general and the Armenian community of Istanbul in particular.

- notes the Greek press, pointing out that organized demonstrations with anti-Armenian slogans have become permanent. After one of them, up to 500 representatives of this diaspora fled from the country.

Currently, its population in Turkey is up to 100 people, most of whom live in Istanbul.

They are scared. And what to expect if the [Turkish] population, including the youth, is crammed with propaganda of nationalist slogans and television series

- said Urkhan Chetinkaya, a well-known politician from the Armenian community of the country.

Comments

[Alexey Sommer]

After one of them, up to 500 representatives of this diaspora fled from the country.

Five hundred (approximately) left out of 100!
I wonder how they were counted?
Seems to me the Greeks are pumping.
And 500 out of 100 is one in 000. Maybe you just left on business?
ps Interestingly, do Turks live in Yerevan? I doubt very much that it is even close in comparable numbers.

[Temples]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Do Turks live in Yerevan?

Armenians are trying not to live in Yerevan either.
Everyone who can dump off to Russia or somewhere else.

It is necessary to have an acute need in order to consciously move to Yerevan.

The Pashinyans live on the grandees of Soros.
The State Department supports a bunch of idlers.
And the most active Armenians are leaving.

And here, in Russia, they dearly love their historical homeland.
They have such a distant love.

We have the same crap with population migration to the rubber capital of our country.

In general, this is an indicator of the power's crappy internal policy.

This is such a modern life at a distance.

[Babayka babaykin]

I agree that Armenians do not live in their country

[Invoce]

Quote: Temples

We have the same shit with population migration to the rubber capital our country.
In general, this is an indicator of the shitty internal politics of the authorities. Here is such a modern life at a distance.

NOT precision. IN Not a rubber capital!

[Stas157]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Seems to me the Greeks pump up.
... Maybe you just left on business?

Of course they do! In 1915, during the genocide, a million Armenians also left for business!

[Pavlos Melas]

By the way

The Greeks can follow in their footsteps in the event of an open conflict between Athens and Ankara.

There are only 7 thousand Greeks in Constantinople from the once large diaspora of 300-400 thousand. This diaspora stayed to live there by the agreement signed between Greece and Turkey. This did not prevent the Turks from expelling them.

[Stas157]

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Greeks in Constantinople

In general, it is a shame that the Greek ancient city, its unique culture, the cradle of Orthodoxy, passed to the invaders by the Turks. I share the pain with you.

[Pavlos Melas]

Thank you apart from Constantinople, the whole of Asia Minor is still living, they have been taken over, but damn it, why are they destroying our cultural heritage? Let them create something and not be glorified as a destroyer nation.

[Rubina]

Few now want to remember that the power of Byzantium was undermined by the Crusaders. They went to Palestine with a supply of food, and when they approached Byzantium, the food ran out. The Crusaders burned and plundered Byzantium for several centuries. In 1204 they captured the city and destroyed the city for several decades. When the Turks took Constantinople, about 1 thousand remained of the former population of 50 million. Sultan Mehmet ordered his troops not to break anything, because he was going to live in this city. But the Greeks do not want to remember this. For those who don't believe, read The Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire, Lord Kingross.

[Gene84]

Quote: Rubina

Crusaders

You better told how the Turks captured and plundered Byzantium. And also why, by 1453, the once vast Byzantium, due to the actions of the Turks, turned out to be a tiny state with a population of just over 50000 people.

[Rubina]

I already wrote - the power of Byzantium was undermined by the crusaders, because they were robbed. Economic power was undermined by the Arab Caliphate, because it deprived Byzantium of its monopoly on trade in the Mediterranean.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Rubina

Few now want to remember that the power of Byzantium was undermined by the Crusaders. They went to Palestine with a supply of food, and when they approached Byzantium, the food ran out. The Crusaders burned and plundered Byzantium for several centuries. In 1204 they captured the city and destroyed the city for several decades. When the Turks took Constantinople, about 1 thousand remained of the former population of 50 million. Sultan Mehmet ordered his troops not to break anything, because he was going to live in this city. But the Greeks do not want to remember this. For those who don't believe, read The Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire, Lord Kingross.

Believe it or not, no one has forgotten Franks (a common name for Western Christians) in Greece are not particularly fond of. It's not about that, it's about the cultural heritage that the Turks are destroying. The point is that there is supposedly no one in Turkey except the Turks. It is about the Greek minority that was expelled from Constantinople in 1955. We are talking about the minority on the islands of Imvros and Tenedos, which were also expelled from their islands at a time when all the peace agreements had already been signed. In the end, all Turkish rhetoric is permeated with the fact that all the breakaway territories must be returned back. Would you like it if the Russians started explicitly talking about the fact that Azerbaijan does not have the right to a souvenir?

[Rubina]

The rhetoric from both Turkey and Greece is equally good. These are all just words, nothing more. The result of the war over hydrocarbons in the Aegean Sea.

I agree that the Turks were not particularly keen to preserve not only the Greek monuments, but also their monuments until the 1950s. Since they began to develop tourism, all Greek and other monuments are protected by the state and turned into museums. I myself was in Karpadocia last year, there are Hittite, Greek, and Roman antiquities - museums and museums, tourists are dark, tickets are not cheap. There is no reason to worry.
And we will not destroy anything in Karabakh. The old man makes a profit. We will restore monasteries and churches with the help of UNESCO, build a hotel, a restaurant, a souvenir shop, a shop for church utensils nearby - we already know how.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Stas157

Of course they do! In 1915, during the genocide, a million Armenians also left for business!

Whether they are pumping or not pumping, but the Turks actually imagined something from themselves. But Ottoman dreams are of course bullshit. And the time is not right, and the players are not the same. But while Recep realizes that now, not just now, he can cause trouble.

[Pavlos Melas]

It is not the Greeks who whip up this questionable publication.

[NTD]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Seems to me the Greeks are pumping.

show me your friend, I will tell you who you are (Armenians)

[Gene84]

Quote: MTN

show me your friend, I will tell you who you are (Armenians)

Better to have an Armenian friend than a Turkish partner.

[Rubina]

There are about 100 thousand Armenians in Turkey, and another 100 thousand Armenian citizens in earnings. Most likely, the last families left to take them away from Armenia. And 1 out of 400 Armenians left.
The Greeks need to draw conclusions and not butt the Turks for gas fields in the sea, but develop jointly, as Turkey suggests. All the same, Greece has neither the means nor the technology to develop these deposits alone.

[Bolt cutter]

Don't you want to develop your own deposits together with the Armenians?

[Revolver]

Quote: Rubina

All the same, Greece has neither the funds nor the technology to develop these deposits alone.

It doesn't matter if it's Greeks or Turks, none of them have the technology, experience or capital. So the development will still be one of the multinationals, such as Exxon or Chevron, or even a consortium of them, because even for them it is difficult to pull projects of this size alone. All the Greeks and Turks are butting for is who will receive payments from multinationals for the right to develop, because this is many billions.

[Gene84]

Quote: Rubina

There are about 100 thousand Armenians in Turkey and another 100 thousand Armenian citizens in earnings.

Most of today's Armenians in Turkey live in Istanbul, mainly the historically Armenian region of Kumkapu, home to over 60 Armenians, and its suburbs. The population of Asia Minor east of the conventional line Adana-Samsun belongs to the anthropological type Armenoid race. According to Haykazun Alvartsyan, an employee of the Center for Armenian Studies at Yerevan State University, 000% of Istanbul Armenians are already Turkic-speaking. The only surviving Armenian village of Vakifly in the country is located in the Hatay silt.
https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1280365#.D0.A7.D0.B8.D1.81.D0.BB.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.BD.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D1.8C

[Vladimir Mashkov]

ANY nationalism is VERY bad. Regardless of which: German, Baltic, Ukrainian or Turkish. And the leader of the country who inflates him and uses for his own selfish ends a small but most radical part of the nationalists - the Nazis - is a scoundrel and a scoundrel! Usually such leaders are compared (deservedly!) With the insane Adolf.

[416D]

In Turkey, in addition to local Armenians, there are also several thousand Gastrabayteroas from Armenia. Probably 500 went home on business, and the Greeks are making a rustle

[Toucan]

It is clear that the Greek media exaggerates somewhat. But the fact that Erdogan is trying to build a new Ottoman Empire and increase his influence is obvious.
However, given that the Turkish leader is not always adequate and overly authoritarian, he will most likely end up badly like most of the rulers of this kind.

[saigon]

When the Ottoman Empire was being built, the Turks were distinguished by religious tolerance!
When that empire was being built, many Christians fought in a place with the Turks (Constantinople was besieged by the Serbs, for example), they do not build empires against tolerance and hysterical nationalism, it does not work.

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: saigon

When the Ottoman Empire was being built, the Turks were distinguished by religious tolerance!
When that empire was being built, many Christians fought in a place with the Turks (Constantinople was besieged by the Serbs, for example), they do not build empires against tolerance and hysterical nationalism, it does not work.

As soon as they got stronger and seized everything they needed, they began to breed religious and then nationality. How did the Ottoman Empire collapse?

[Rubina]

It is not true. The Ottomans built their attitude towards national minorities not on the principle of religion, but on the principle of whether there is any help from abroad. Therefore, the Arabs had the least rights, because the Arabs from the desert (roughly, today's Saudi Arabia) all the time helped the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire (roughly Iraq, Syria, Palestine). The Jews had the most rights, because no one wanted to help them. I advise you to read Lord Kinross The Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire

[Pavlos Melas]

Quote: Rubina

It is not true. The Ottomans built their attitude towards national minorities not on the principle of religion, but on the principle of whether there is any help from abroad. Therefore, the Arabs had the least rights, because the Arabs from the desert (roughly, today's Saudi Arabia) all the time helped the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire (roughly Iraq, Syria, Palestine). The Jews had the most rights, because no one wanted to help them. I advise you to read Lord Kinross The Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire

Konesh konesh exactly as you say. You can continue to believe this only how Turkey turned from a "tolerant and tolerant" empire into a Kemalist state with the slogan "bir dil, bir din bir devlet?
Were so kind and progressive that they still hate you in the Balkans. The Turks themselves told me that the Arabs love you so they can't eat straight. They loved and cherished the Jews, aha, but now the head of the Office of the Head of the Office allows itself not sickly statements against the Jews and Israel.

[Rubina]

I can. The reason is the 19th century. The Ottoman Empire was weakened and technologically far behind Europe. To split the empire, Europe began to supply the Christian enclaves of Turkey with weapons, money and incite them to revolt. Greece revolted and gained independence. A great many volunteers fought on the side of Greece, three of them J.G. Byron. To save Bulgaria, Russia entered the war. Then England knocked out the Arab territories. Remember Lawrence of Arabia? Turkey made two conclusions
1. National minorities are not reliable. Hence - one country and one people
2. The technological lag needs to be overcome - hence the replacement of parts for Bayraktar took 1 week. Of course, this is not America, but the technology is pretty decent.
PS History is the past. There is no good or bad in it. This is what it was. And you can't pull out a specific fact in history - you need to look at it in large strokes.
PS It must be admitted that of all the empires, national minorities were allowed to break through to the highest posts only three empires - the Ottoman, Russian, and Posner-Roman. Are you representing a Pakistani minister in the 19th century British Empire? And in the Ottoman, Greeks and Armenians were. We were also in Russia.

[NTD]

Quote: Tucan

But the fact that Erdogan is trying to build a new Ottoman Empire and increase his influence is obvious.

Vasily, doesn't everyone do that? The USA sticks its nose everywhere. Europe has become like the magistrate and the United States is the executor. So what Turkey does is no different from others. But I'm sure you're not looking for enemies there.

[Toucan]

But I'm sure you're not looking for enemies there.

Are the Turks our friends? Did not know...

[NTD]

Quote: Tucan

Are the Turks our friends? Did not know...

And the USA? And Europe? And China?

[Gene84]

Quote: Tucan

Erdogan is trying to build a new Ottoman Empire and increase his influence

He can try anything. Nothing will work for him. It's not the right time now. While everyone turns a blind eye to his actions. But for now ...

[NTD]

Quote: 416D

in addition to local Armenians, several thousand also work

And to be more precise, 150.000 illegal immigrants from Armenia.

[sleeve]

Natural action. Draw the image of a totalitarian dictator with a touch of fascism. Erdogan is far from being our friend and not a partner, but too much paint will be worse. And at the moment of the beginning of the direct struggle in the region, this is an utter bjaka. Vaughn already krovushkoy part of the "bills" paid.

[Gene84]

Quote: sleeve

but overkill with paints will be worse

What's too much? That Erdogan is a Turkish fascist? The party led by Erdogan, the Justice and Development Party, is in the position of neo-Ottomanism. If neo-Ottomanism is not a pro-fascist movement, then I am a real pro-Western liberal.

[210ox]

So what? Is it hard for you to raise your thugs? I’ll see how NATO will sort out the meeting.

[Doctor]

I don’t understand one thing. And what are these Armenians doing in Turkey? Given their long-standing love together.

That there are no other countries in the world?

[faiver]

That there are no other countries in the world?

- for example Azerbaijan?

[Doctor]

for example Azerbaijan?

The same is with Azerbaijan.

I am neutral towards the Turks, they did not genocide my ancestors and me, on the contrary, they happily welcome (my money) at their resorts.
However, I have no thoughts of moving to Turkey for permanent residence.

And here - to live among old enemies, smile at them, work for their economy, pay taxes on their army ...

Yes, you sell housing in Istanbul and go to Athens, or to Russia or even to Ukraine!
There you can rise to the rank of head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of Internal Affairs!

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

[Revolver]

Quote: Arzt

And here - to live among old enemies, smile at them, work for their economy, pay taxes on their army ...

There is a Jewish community in Germany. Do you think where, if there they were thoroughly genocidal? That's right, we've arrived. And precisely because the locals were otgenocidal, the newcomers live comfortably, and they cannot offend them - they will immediately sew Nazism. Well, the truth is that visiting Muslims seem to be making an exception. Like all minorities are politically correct, but some are more politically correct than others.

[Doctor]

There is a Jewish community in Germany. Do you think where, if there they were thoroughly genocidal?

So now they are blowing dust off them. Favorable immigration regime, all sorts of nishtyaks upon arrival, etc.
And in Turkey it will start soon ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Arzt

I don’t understand one thing. And what are these Armenians doing in Turkey? Given their long-standing love together.

It is a root the people of those places lived there long before the arrival of the Turks themselves. Made up 20% population (19th century)

[Doctor]

This is the indigenous people of those places and lived there long before the arrival of the Turks themselves. Made up 20% of the population (19th century)

It's clear. But what is the point of living there now? Wait until they start cutting?
Some kind of masochism ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Arzt

It's clear. But what is the point of living there now? Wait until they start cutting?
Some kind of masochism ...

so there are Armenians -Muslims much more than Christian Armenians.

These are quite organically inscribed in society.

[Elturisto]

In racial terms, the population of Asia Minor is 90-95% of the ancient Pontic substratum. The influence of the Turk-Turkmens is minimal. Even the mass migrations of Indo-Europeans did not significantly change the racial picture of the region. So the Muslim ancient population is in place, like the Muslim settlers of different eras ...

[A. Privalov]

I would have joked with great pleasure myself, if I did not know what the Turks did with the Armenians in the past. After all, as you know, history repeats itself ...

[Cottager452]

The Greeks once received from the Turks when they drove out the Turkish Cypriots and wanted to annex Cyprus to Greece. The situation is very similar to the current Karabakh situation, and they also hoped that Western countries would help them. And now, in addition, the Turks are squeezing out Cypriot hydrocarbons. Erdogan is generally in chocolate and no one , including the States, he is not a decree.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Summer Resident452

The Greeks received from the Turks when they drove out the Turkish Cypriots and wanted to annex Cyprus to Greece. The situation is very similar to the current Karabakh situation.

Turkey occupied northern Cyprus and arranged exactly the same thing with which it fought with noble anger in Karabakh: seized part of a foreign state and established an illegal "republic" there, expelling Christians and destroying their churches

[Pavlos Melas]

The Greeks once received from the Turks when they drove out the Turkish Cypriots and wanted to annex Cyprus to Greece. The situation is very similar to the current Karabakh situation, and they also hoped that Western countries would help them. And now, in addition, the Turks are squeezing out Cypriot hydrocarbons. Erdogan is generally in chocolate and no one , including the States, he is not a decree.

It is completely different, Cyprus was supposed to repeat the fate of the Crimea, but alas, Greece is not Russia. As for the Greek-Turkish relations, once in this topic Cyprus has been intertwined, why are you not talking about the pogroms 55?

[Pavlos Melas]

What is the bad form to comment on openly yellow publications? Why, for example, chronos or kafimerini are not discussed and the Pentapostagma feycomet?
And this is generally a pearl calling Istanbul Constantinople so the Greeks in general Constantopolis called Constantinople not only this edition. In general, by condemning such publications, you also describe this platform.

[Peter rybak]

Urkhan Cetinkaya - Orkhan the Formidable Rock, this is the translation from Turkish. But how did he become a famous politician from the Armenian community of the country?
The Armenians themselves cannot get into the parliament, the Turkish government, but they can "buy" Turkish "five-columnists", invest money in them in order for them to protect the interests of Armenians.
Wikipedia states that

Today, 80 to 90 thousand Christian Armenians live in Turkey, mainly in Istanbul. The number of Muslim Armenians is estimated at about 400,000. According to some data, in addition to official statistics, the country may number up to several million crypto-Armenians

A counter question: how many Turks are there in Armenia?
And in general, what are the Armenians doing in the country whose people they hate to the point of pain in their eyes? How unscrupulous do you need to be?

[Elturisto]

Turk-Turkmen-Yuryuk not more than 5%. The rest of the population is represented in the old Pontic type, diluted with various impurities - Indo-European and Caucasian (to a lesser extent) ... hehe ...

[Peter rybak]

Quote: ElTuristo

Turk-Turkmen-Yuryuk not more than 5%. The rest of the population is represented in the old Pontic type, diluted with various impurities - Indo-European and Caucasian (to a lesser extent) ... hehe ...

What depths of history are you looking into? And what the hell do you want to get that far? We are talking about today.
And, I beg you, correct the grammar of the letter, otherwise it is very difficult to read.

[APASUS]

These will take root everywhere, move to Germany, USA

[rotmistr60]

They are scared. And what to expect if the [Turkish] population, including the youth, is crammed with propaganda of nationalist slogans and television series

And 1915 did not become a warning for Armenians. What is there doing 100, looking for a happy life? Well, they waited, and probably they are very upset that there is no one to blame for this.

[iouris]

It was necessary to report how much money "ran away". Turkey's economic situation is unenviable, and the New Ottoman project requires large investments. They will take away the excess.

[fiberboard]

Oh, here and the Greeks have rustled. And then they are also used to waiting.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Pavlos Melas

Greeks in Constantinople

In general, it is a shame that the Greek ancient city, its unique culture, the cradle of Orthodoxy, passed to the invaders by the Turks. I share the pain with you.

And how much FANAR. From the mere mention of this "vile" name - the Russian Orthodox begins to boil his whole mind, indignant :

[Gennady Fomkin]

It's time for Erdogan to remind about the Bulgarians