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Mi-8, Mi-24 and UAVs: reported on the aviation segment of the Russian peacekeeping mission in Karabakh

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Mi-8, Mi-24 and UAVs: reported on the aviation segment of the Russian peacekeeping mission in Karabakh

The Russian Ministry of Defense is providing updated data on the format of the peacekeeping mission in Nagorno-Karabakh. It is noted that the peacekeeping mission in the region, where hostilities ceased on November 10, will have aviation component.


According to the latest data, Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters of the Russian Aerospace Forces will support the activities of the Russian peacekeeping contingent from the air. In addition, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) will monitor the situation in the unrecognized NKR.

According to General Sergei Rudsky, a total of eight Russian helicopters will be connected to the mission. These helicopters have already been delivered to the Republic of Armenia by military transport aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It was noted that the Mi-8 will be used, in particular, for the operational transfer of personnel, as well as in cargo to various areas in which posts of the Russian peacekeeping contingent are set up. Recall that a total of 1960 Russian peacekeepers will operate in Karabakh, most of whom represent the personnel of the 15th separate motorized rifle brigade of the Russian Armed Forces.

Experts emphasize an important component of the Russian mission. Unlike a number of UN missions, where the peacekeeping contingent has the most formidable weapons are assault rifles, the Russian mission in Karabakh is much more heavily armed. In addition to attack helicopters, these are also armored vehicles.

In this regard, it is noted that the peacekeepers of the Russian Federation will not be only observers in the event of an attempt by one of the parties to resume hostilities in the region. Serious armament also clearly presupposes forcing certain forces to peace if any of these forces tries to disrupt the peace process. But in such a situation, you need to be especially vigilant, since both in the world and in the region there are many forces that may try to carry out a provocation to undermine the situation.
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  1. Killemall
    Killemall 12 November 2020 07: 54
    19
    I suspect that provocations will certainly follow. The Armenians believe that Pashinyan leaked them and the agreements do not suit them, and Azerbaijan, I think, felt the taste of blood, well, the Turks will put pressure on them ... these are peacekeepers ... So our guys are really there between a rock and a hard place ... I hope we have a plan if they start killing ours there ...
    1. yuliatreb
      yuliatreb 12 November 2020 09: 04
      +9
      There was already a similar situation, in 1988, as a peacekeeping contingent in this region, there were the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, as practice shows, losses will be, they will shoot in the back as well, and from the other side, only the degree of retaliatory attack on the attackers will not be determined by the military , but politicians, which of course will lead to even greater losses.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 November 2020 08: 07
    +1
    Of course, armored personnel carriers and helicopters are more serious than just a gunner. But the patrol zone is a narrow and long "gut".
    Isolated cases of provocations by fanatics (both one and the other) are possible, but, most likely, they will take a time out for five years.
    They will bite into the ground and build capacity.
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 12 November 2020 08: 40
      +2
      There are only 3 posts in the "gut", the rest are on the entire territory of Karabakh and are Armenian and Azeri.
    2. svp67
      svp67 12 November 2020 08: 53
      +8
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But the patrol zone is a narrow and long "gut".

      Which can be observed with the help of reconnaissance UAVs, here is another "testing ground" where you can practice and develop the skill and skill of UAV units. And this is much cheaper than driving armored personnel carriers
    3. X-factor
      X-factor 13 November 2020 10: 56
      0
      And who will bite into the ground? Armenia is withdrawing its troops, NKR has no right to have weapons, since it will be an illegal military formation, that is, anyone with weapons that is not taken into account in Azerbaijan will be considered a criminal and will be arrested or destroyed. And any country that sells them weapons will be considered smugglers.
      Azerbaijan will not shoot at the peacekeepers, as practice has shown that Azerbaijan is more loyal (even to say more strongly) to Russia than Armenia.
  3. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 12 November 2020 08: 13
    -11 qualifying.
    Maybe our peacekeepers got involved there in vain? Armenians and Azerbaijan have been sorting out their relations for centuries. I don't want to substitute Russian Vanya because of their historical show-off. Yes, and he is the only one with his mother ...
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 08: 23
      13
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Maybe our peacekeepers got involved there in vain?

      Where there will be no us - there will be Turks ... It doesn't really matter, right? Aliyev, IMHO, outplayed Erdogan. He hugged, kissed, even attracted to the war ... But in the end? He brought Russian troops to Karabakh. Everyone in the Caucasus remembers what happens when our peacekeepers are attacked. Lesson 08.08.08. they won't forget there soon ...
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 12 November 2020 09: 02
        10
        Aliyev offset.
        I managed to stop in time.
        I did not fall for the calls of the nationalists.
        I didn’t seize Karabakh.
        At the same time, he was an absolute winner for the country.
        Showed the highest political skill.
        hi
        1. iouris
          iouris 12 November 2020 11: 19
          -1
          What a great feature! Two days later, a helicopter was shot down, two officers of the Russian Federation were killed. In the airspace of Armenia (!), Aliyev assumed responsibility. And Azerbaijan is also Erdogan's resource, and Erdogan openly declares colossal claims on the territories and ethnic groups in the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
          1. X-factor
            X-factor 13 November 2020 11: 12
            -2
            Aliyev is a strong and intelligent politician. He managed to make allies for himself those who are on bad terms with each other. That is, Israel and Turkey are on bad terms with each other, but both began to help Azerbaijan, and in their first air military systems were integrated with each other for one purpose (I reconnoitred Turkish unmanned systems, sent data online to the Israeli assault systems). He was able to achieve a loyal attitude of the Russian government to Azerbaijan, although over the centuries, in comparison, Armenia has always had an advantage in Russian policy. He was able to achieve complete closure of the borders for the supply of weapons along the border of Georgia and Iran.
            Aliyev also begins to play the role of a bridge between Russia and Turkey, as well as Russia and Pakistan. Thanks to Aliyev, new geopolitical ties are starting.
            Thanks to the tactics of this war, from now on, methods for introducing a new type of war are being studied in all world military institutions (the word Azerbaijan will be used more and this will make the small country more famous).
            1. iouris
              iouris 13 November 2020 11: 40
              -1
              Quote: X-factor
              Aliyev is a strong and intelligent politician. He managed to make allies for himself those who are on bad terms with each other.

              This is your hypothesis. In real politics, everything is always a secret, otherwise it is not politics.
              An alternative hypothesis is as follows.
              Israel and Turkey have not united, but have a common interest - the territory of Azerbaijan. From the territory of Azerbaijan, you can strike at the infrastructure of Iran and the Russian Federation, at least blackmail. The interests of the United States and NATO are behind Israel and Turkey. Thus, perhaps (!) Azerbaijan is just a pawn in someone else's game, while Aliyev may have surrendered Azerbaijan for use and (possibly) thousands of Azerbaijani soldiers perished, primarily for other people's interests. B.Vostok, Persia is always (!) A zone of British interests. Now Azerbaijan, according to British scientists, is the Middle East.
              The Turanian project is not a Turkish, British imperial project to kill Russia. By the way, the head of MI6 is a personal friend of Erdogan and Aliyev, a Turkologist. London is the financial center where the Aliyev family (possibly) keeps their money. The secrecy of the deposit is guaranteed as long as the bank's client is managed.
              Azerbaijan's tactics depend on weapons, which (possibly) have been pumped into Azerbaijan by the partners on debt or for obligations. Azerbaijan does not have its own technologies. Now it is political dependence.
              Aliyev started the war at a time when (according to the curators of the project) the Russian Federation is weakened and will not be able to offer resistance in the Transcaucasus. This is the true purpose of the war.
              The second task is the seizure of Armenia due to "force majeure circumstances", i.e. her military defeat. Pashinyan and company did everything to ensure that the defeat was a complete defeat. Pashinyan did everything to make the war start, despite the fact that a peaceful solution to the Karabakh problem was possible and the issue of Karabakh's ownership is not a problem.
              Thus, Aliyev and Pashinyan acted with one goal.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 12 November 2020 11: 40
        -2
        Okay ... Let's wait what happens next. As for the Turks, they always and everywhere poked their noses. The last one who kicked them in the head was Catherine the Great. Sorry, but I do not quite share your optimism.
        1. 16329
          16329 12 November 2020 12: 02
          +3
          Actually, Nikolai II, our troops reached Erzincan and Trabzon
      3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 November 2020 18: 05
        -1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Where we won't be, there will be Turks

        First we ended up in Syria. And then the Turks pulled up there too
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 12 November 2020 08: 16
    +6
    Unlike a number of UN missions, where assault rifles are the most formidable weapon of the peacekeeping contingent, the Russian mission in Karabakh is much more heavily armed. In addition to attack helicopters, these are armored vehicles.
    In this regard, my question is ripe. If a huge part of the losses was from UAVs and other loitering muck, will ours have normal air defense there? Well, they send a brigade, they don't show everything. I saw armored personnel carriers, tigers, tropospheric communication ... air defense ... did not see.
    1. Oleg123219307
      Oleg123219307 12 November 2020 08: 32
      +7
      Quote: NDR-791
      If a huge part of the losses was from UAVs and other loitering muck, will ours have normal air defense there? Well, they send a brigade, they don't show everything. I saw armored personnel carriers, tigers, tropospheric communication ... air defense ... did not see.

      What's the point? Armored vehicles and turntables will help if some regular volunteer battalion decides to fight. They will help from mines on the road, from minor clashes. Prevention of all this is the function of peacekeepers. But aviation against peacekeepers can only be used with the approval of the leadership of one of the parties. And this is war. Everyone remembers how it ended in 2008, but now our army is at least three times stronger. And the point is to drag air defense there, actually substituting it? After all, everything there is shot through by artillery, a normal echeloned system cannot be built for five kilometers. If they want war, they will strike at the air defense first without aviation, and then they will just arrive. Only, unlike the Armenian ones, our planes are able to fly, and the air defense will quickly fly in and land everyone. Not to mention the fact that 12 hours after the order to attack our peacekeepers, their colleagues will already be in Baku / Yerevan, depending on which one they risk ...
    2. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 12 November 2020 08: 42
      +3
      I personally saw Krasukha unloading at the airport.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 12 November 2020 09: 34
        +3
        I have never seen Krasukha folded alive, but I have seen the troposphere. So I could be confused. If so, then our CREDITS !!!
  5. tech3030
    tech3030 12 November 2020 08: 32
    +5
    I hope these helicopters are equipped with protection. There were so many different words about "President", it was time for him to work and not to listen to him on TV. On the downed MI 24, even the heat traps did not work, were there radiation sensors there or not?
    1. Volga073
      Volga073 12 November 2020 09: 27
      0
      He flew in the sky of Armenia, why were traps needed there?
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 12 November 2020 09: 55
        +3
        And nothing that he was guarding the column? This already kind of suggests that they can shoot.
      2. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 12 November 2020 10: 02
        +4
        WHAT FOR?! fool
        He actually accompanied the convoy and had to be with full ammunition and protection, respectively !!! The border of the warring country is only 1 km from that road. They forgot about the elementary precautions (maybe they will blow it) - get a rocket in the side.
    2. Horon
      Horon 12 November 2020 09: 51
      +1
      Irradiation? From MANPADS? There was a mistake in organizing the movement of military units in the zone of confrontation between the two states, which includes seemingly calm-looking border regions. And the carelessness of the helicopter crew, which turned out to be not ready for possible attacks by air defense systems. The tension at the border and our poor organization led to the loss of the crew and the helicopter!
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 12 November 2020 10: 04
        +1
        - By the decision of the commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force today, not a single new helicopter is sent to the troops in "hot" spots without the installation of an active protection system against MANPADS. - Quote from here-https: //www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/pzrk-i -zaschita-ot-nih-protivostoyanie-obostryaetsya 22-11-2011-22-37-00 /.
        1. Horon
          Horon 12 November 2020 10: 13
          0
          Either the system did not work, or they forgot to turn it on, or the territory of Armenia was not regarded as a "hot" spot and no one set up an active defense system. I am leaning towards the third option. Too many "shoals" on the organization of the movement have been made.
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 12 November 2020 10: 18
            +2
            I don't insist on anything. It seems to me that nothing stood there, according to the old habit of "maybe". As well as not standing on the su -25 R. Filipova. Guys are sorry and the feeling of powerlessness is annoying!
      2. Xscorpion
        Xscorpion 13 November 2020 10: 48
        -1
        I think there was also the fact that they fired from a distance of one and a half to two kilometers, no more. SAM MANPADS will cover this distance in less than 3 seconds. There will be no reaction time, and even if you use the LTZ, it will not help, SAM In addition, all more or less modern MANPADS are equipped with a target selector and the seeker remembers the temperature of the target, and at least a hundred LTZ then release, the seeker will choose the main one. At a maximum launch distance of 4-5 km, the helicopter will still have chances, closer chances to zero if the anti-aircraft gunner is at least more or less trained
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: tech3030
      , were there radiation sensors or not?

      Irradiation with what? There is nothing on MANPADS to irradiate a helicopter. There are sensors that react to the rocket torch, but it (the rocket) does not irradiate the target with anything. Heat traps are triggered when there is danger of attack. Nobody expected any attack over Armenia. They heard the helicopter (who heard where he was, why with MANPADS), who gave the order to open fire ..., pointed MANPADS, captured the head of the target - and banged. The distance for modern MANPADS is achievable from 4 to 6 km (which complex). And hatred tears down the tower, to the point of losing the ability to think critically. In the fierce battles in Karabakh, I almost heard nothing about the prisoners. Didn't take?
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 12 November 2020 18: 54
        -1
        “At present, SAZ“ President-S ”has passed the entire complex of state tests, has been put into service and is being serially produced.” - This should stand and work. If they do not put it, they just drive it to the slaughter. I know that the GOS, unlike the RLGS, does not give radiation.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 19: 20
          0
          Quote: tech3030
          Currently, the SAZ "President-S" has passed the entire range of state tests, is put into service and is being serially produced.

          This complex is guided by the rocket engine. And the laser blinds the IR seeker. Working in the appropriate range.
          1. tech3030
            tech3030 12 November 2020 19: 23
            0
            Yes, I know, I read about it, and watched many times as he was praised ... And the helicopter on the ground burned down. But this is not a question for you.
            1. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 19: 46
              +1
              Quote: tech3030
              Yes, I know, I read about it, and watched many times as he was praised ... And the helicopter on the ground burned down. But this is not a question for you

              This complex is not yet installed on all helicopters ... Not on all ...
  6. Azimuth
    Azimuth 12 November 2020 08: 47
    +3
    Quote: NDR-791
    Unlike a number of UN missions, where assault rifles are the most formidable weapon of the peacekeeping contingent, the Russian mission in Karabakh is much more heavily armed. In addition to attack helicopters, these are armored vehicles.
    In this regard, my question is ripe. If a huge part of the losses was from UAVs and other loitering muck, will ours have normal air defense there? Well, they send a brigade, they don't show everything. I saw armored personnel carriers, tigers, tropospheric communication ... air defense ... did not see.

    There is no need for air defense equipment, they are on the territory of Armenia, and the same Azerbaijan will provide it if necessary, until Aliyev is in power there from the head of our soldier and his hair falls off through their fault. And I think we can figure it out ourselves, we need to disarm the Armenians in Karabakh to the maximum, who will now begin to hide not only small arms, but also anti-tank systems, MANPADS, mines and explosives.

    In general, from this war, we must make big org. conclusions and understand that the dominance of Armenians in Moscow offices and the influence that they were given is not good, the point is not in nationalism, but in reasonable personnel policy, and in all spheres. We have not a single national minority of our own so represented in power, culture and business.
    For example, Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, could not contact Putin directly, everything was blocked by the Armenian lobby in our power structures. Therefore, Aliyev had to negotiate through Turkey, which we are now using in our plans. This war was in our interests and according to our rules in the end. Well, in this case, it is good that Erdogan and Turkey, and the United States and its president may find themselves in another conflict. The same Ukraine is an example of this.
    Why do we need intermediaries from the outside? This carries dangers and threats. You need to think very well how to solve this problem. In the case of the same Ukraine, leave them outlets not only through Medvedchuk and others, but expand their opportunities for communication with us in order to minimize the need and involvement of external mediators from specific countries to conditionally "international organizations". All states of the CIS / former USSR should have access to the tsar father, when an emergency and someone crap, they can always leave through another, the same Ukraine through Belarus or Azerbaijan with which she has good relations.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 12 November 2020 09: 14
      -1
      Quote: Azimuth
      the dominance of Armenians in Moscow offices and the influence that they were given is not good

      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  7. Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 12 November 2020 09: 00
    +3
    There is no need for air defense means, the same Azerbaijan will provide it if necessary, until Aliyev is in power there from the head of our soldier and his hair falls off through their fault.
    Already not only provided, but also clearly demonstrated! Hair may not fall, but the helicopters have already started!
  8. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 12 November 2020 09: 14
    -3
    What the hell did I just read about "serious armored vehicles for peace enforcement"? What is the value of armored vehicles against drone strikes, everyone has already been convinced that it costs nothing. Everyone also knows what the Mi-24 and 8 are against MANPADS, and they were convinced again recently. So if a zavorushka starts, it will be like in 2008, with tanks to shoot our peacekeepers.
    1. Horon
      Horon 12 November 2020 10: 05
      -1
      The peacekeepers are not there to fight the armies. Their task is to maintain order, to stop the hotheads in the form of partisans. The absence of attack UAVs should be ensured by Armenia and Azerbaijan themselves. Do you want to send a full-fledged combat formation there with the ability to fight with armies? If both sides are involved in the army, then ours and without the UAV will not seem a little!
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 12 November 2020 11: 24
        -1
        "must provide" - a lot of who owes what in conflict points under agreements, are they being executed everywhere? Our peacekeepers are at great risk there.
        1. Horon
          Horon 12 November 2020 11: 58
          0
          Peacekeepers are at risk everywhere, since "cuffs" can be hit from both sides. I don't even question the fact that they are at risk there.
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 12 November 2020 14: 14
      0
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      Everyone also knows what the Mi-24 and 8 are against MANPADS, and they were convinced again recently. So if a mess starts, it will be like in 2008, shoot our peacekeepers with tanks.

      In Syria, our helicopters somehow fly, and there are MANPADS, and maybe even more serious in the so-called. fighters supervised by the United States and Turkey.
  9. Azimuth
    Azimuth 12 November 2020 09: 59
    0
    Quote: Cotton Colorado
    Already not only provided, but also clearly demonstrated! Hair may not fall, but the helicopters have already started!
    The further into the forest, the more and more information, albeit scarce. And there it was not so easy with our Mi-24.
    I think those who say that all these agreements, including those on the deployment of our peacekeepers, were right, were reached between VVP, Aliyev and Pashinyan a couple of days before the official announcement or signing.
    That is, neither Azerbaijan needed to shoot down the Mi-24, nor did we have to arrange flights in the most threatening direction for them in Nakhichevan. And I repeat, the Azerbaijanis were waiting for the attack of the Armenians, before that there was already an attack by the Tochka-U OTRK on Nakhichevan during the current hostilities, and in the 90s the Armenians tried to seize Nakhichevan in addition to Karabakh, and the most fierce battles took place precisely in this area. Ours at the base knew and know perfectly well, so why did the helicopter end up there? And in general, why did our column on the territory of Armenia suddenly need to escort and cover a turntable, and even one, and not a couple as usual?
    The MANPADS operator who fired, he carried out his orders, our crew carried out their orders, that's exactly the sources of these orders, on the basis of which they were issued and you need to figure it out. It is unpleasant for us to admit it, it is unpleasant to discuss, our pilots and our officers were killed, but there may be several versions and not all of them are pleasant to discuss. And it may well be that they set us up there and used them in the dark to supply the Azerbaijanis at the same time. Our people are also different, many may have their own circumstances, I do not exclude the possibility of betrayal in our country.
    Now, having admitted such a possibility, take the place of the Azerbaijanis. Someone or someone, having received an order or an order from some owners, could give any order to our flyers. As a result, at dusk, below the operation of the radars, at low altitude, a helicopter appears in the threatened area, if the Azerbaijani side was not warned, if indeed our turntables had not prudently appeared there before, then they had no options, an assessment of the situation - the Armenians are attacking, an option air defense also has only one action - to shoot down. The MANPADS operator and his commander also do not have the means for operational communication with the headquarters and air defense centers, the tablet does not have such functions, and our helicopter, as the Azerbaijanis claim, did not see the air defense radars of their army, which is not surprising in the mountains. At most, it is a report "attack of an Armenian helicopter" and in response an order to "destroy".
    But this is one of the versions, just one, and it was specially chosen not the most pleasant for us, just to understand that there could be anything there, and the fact that the stars on the helicopter are not visible at dusk is by no means a guarantee that it will not be shot down.
    I think that we and the Azerbaijanis are now closely engaged in the "analysis" of this departure, what happened is not a joke and hardly anyone reacted to it "easily and naturally." The same Azerbaijan achieved not everything, but wanted a lot, put thousands of soldiers, years of preparation, billions of dollars, and everything could be crossed out by one MANPADS missile. This is all the more important for us, our people perished, and no matter how shouting "Putin leaked", GDP has never set up and betrayed the army, starting from Chechnya.
    So the initiators and the guilty will get a hole in their heads and this is 100%.
  10. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 12 November 2020 10: 10
    -2
    Hmm, helicopters ... And how do they plan to protect them from attacks from MANPADS? And I'm not just talking about the Azerbaijani military, and disgruntled nationalist-minded Armenians and pro-Turkish terrorists may well take advantage of this.
  11. bars1
    bars1 12 November 2020 10: 55
    -3
    Quote: Archivist Vasya
    And how are they planned to be protected from attacks from MANPADS?

    The old fashioned way. These are the ancient Mi-24s. They send such old stuff to the hot spot! I don't understand. There are Ka-52, Mi-28N at worst. There are not many of them. And let the Mi-24 be used in some rear Central Military District even to the point of carrot conspiracy!
    1. Horon
      Horon 12 November 2020 12: 09
      0
      I don't put a minus, but work hard and find information about active protection systems for aircraft against MANPADS damage. So not the old fashioned way.
  12. bars1
    bars1 12 November 2020 11: 10
    -1
    For what a minus something slapped ?! Justify!
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 12 November 2020 13: 14
      -4
      apparently for the ancient mi24)))))
  13. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 12 November 2020 11: 11
    +2
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  14. bars1
    bars1 12 November 2020 12: 31
    0
    Quote: Horon
    but work hard and find information about active protection systems for aircraft from MANPADS destruction. So not the old fashioned way.

    Vitebsk is not installed on the Mi-24. I worked hard and found out that the upgraded Mi-24 with a similar complex will finish factory tests in the first quarter of 2021.
  15. Old26
    Old26 12 November 2020 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: NDR-791
    Well, they send a brigade, they don't show everything. I saw armored personnel carriers, tigers, tropospheric communication ... air defense ... did not see.

    In principle, the brigade has an anti-aircraft missile division. Whether it was thrown or not - I don't know
  16. bars1
    bars1 12 November 2020 23: 09
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    apparently for the ancient mi24)))))

    Old it is old, no matter how minus it. Look at the nits that decided to send ancient Mi-24s to Karabakh!
  17. svoit
    svoit 12 November 2020 23: 16
    -1
    Quote: NDR-791
    If a huge part of the losses was from UAVs and other loitering muck, will ours have normal air defense there?

    It is unlikely that it will be required, there will most likely be threats of a local nature, for example, the Armenians will withdraw the heavy equipment (which remains), and the rifleman will be hidden and will attack the returning Azerbaijani refugees at night, and at the same time ours if they are thrown in. The peacekeepers must first of all immediately block and clear the territory. It's like in Chechnya. Otherwise, it will turn out like with Israel, which the peacekeepers do not really help, you have to act yourself.
  18. Azimuth
    Azimuth 13 November 2020 00: 45
    -1
    It is unlikely, but here we would not have to leave in the coming days ...
    Armenian nationalists, it turns out, want to catch and remove Pashinyan, and deratify the agreement, and constitutionally, so that the rank and rank and according to the law, and the mosquito does not undermine the nose, not only because "surrendered territories", but for other reasons, more interested in one.
    We read and bastard:
    According to the signed document, we not only lost our territories, but also an obligation of more than $ 50 billion was imposed on Armenia, which we and our generations will pay, according to a statement released by the former General Prosecutor of Armenia, the former representative of Armenia in the European Court. on Human Rights Gevorg Kostanian.

    “Two years ago we warned that Azerbaijan was preparing a lawsuit against Armenia related to compensation in connection with the material damage allegedly suffered by Azerbaijan in Artsakh and seven regions. However, they could not submit this claim, as they did not have sufficient evidence that Armenia is a responsible entity. They hired an international organization for calculating the damage, which estimated the damage caused to Azerbaijan at more than $ 50 billion.

    The other day, the President of Azerbaijan said that Azerbaijan is really preparing a similar claim against Armenia.

    I am sure that work in this direction has intensified, since the Prime Minister of Armenia, having signed a well-known document on November 10, essentially confirmed that the Republic of Armenia is the subject of the obligation, and thereby directly assumed the obligation for any damage caused.

    I warn you with full responsibility that if we do not take a competent legal counterattack in time, the shameful document signed by Nikol Pashinyan will also lead to serious financial problems for us, which even our descendants will not be able to pay.

    In order to avoid such developments, first of all, Nikol Pashinyan's resignation is necessary and not only, since he was not authorized to sign such a document on such conditions. In addition, this will provide an opportunity, if not completely, then at least partially, to invalidate the emergence of both territorial and financial huge obligations to us and our generations, ”Gevrk Kostanyan said in a statement.

    Source: www.aysor.am

    Of course, I hardly believe that the Armenians will repay the debt, even if it is fifty thousand rubles laughing , not 50bn. US dollars with a tail and the amount is likely to grow taking into account the damage and destruction of the last war. Well, I certainly would not have been returned, but Aliyev is still interested to see. As I understand it, and if it's rude, this is some form of reparations. If all this is serious and there is a real risk for the Armenians to get such money, then I think they will find Pashinyan and 100% derafit the trilateral agreement. Territories and lands, of course, are also sacred, but MONEY is even more sacred for Armenians. If the agreement is deratified, then the war is a new one, and ours are out ...
    Hmmm, the further into the forest the more interesting, and such a show will be even more interesting than the war itself. I hardly believe that the Armenians will be able to deratify the agreement, and it is especially very interesting whether Aliyev will be able to pull this off. Who knows which courts are considering this? Are there precedents for similar conflicts?

    50 lard ... "a" crap belay , read the news on a sleepless night ...
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  20. Radius
    Radius 13 November 2020 06: 51
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    Why did the helicopter and the convoy end up there? It's simple! Look closely at the map of Armenia (not outline). The road from Gyumri and Yerevan to Karabakh goes exactly there! True, there is another road, through Sevan and Martuni, but it is very inconvenient for leading large columns. And her condition wants to be better. In short, there is practically no other road for the column to Karabakh (Artsakh). And, accordingly, there is no other route for escort turntables.