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Russian helicopter Mi-24 could have been shot down from Turkey

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Russian helicopter Mi-24 could have been shot down from Turkey

Two days have passed since the attack on the Russian Mi-24 helicopter. It should be reminded that the helicopter was shot down the day before yesterday while in the airspace of Armenia - near the settlement of Yeraskh, which is 1-2 km from the border with the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, which is part of Azerbaijan. The attack on the helicopter with the use of MANPADS occurred about two hundred kilometers from the combat zone in Nagorno-Karabakh.


So far, Azerbaijan, whose authorities have made an official apology, but repeated a dozen times that the helicopter was "only 2 km from the Azerbaijani borders", has not provided any specific data on who exactly struck with the use of a portable anti-aircraft missile system. Let us remind that the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan stated that the blow was struck "by accident".

In the meantime, an analysis of the very place where the Russian helicopter was lost and where the Russian military personnel were killed suggests that it is worth considering the possibility of striking or obtaining intelligence data from Turkey. The fact is that from the road in the Yeraskh region, where the Russian Mi-24 flew, to the nearest point of the border with Turkey is less than 4 km. This is Ygdir province.


All these geographic parameters allow us to conclude that when monitoring the situation at the junction of the three states and if there is evidence that a Russian helicopter is heading to this area, the helicopter attack could well have been carried out from Turkish territory.

The characteristics, for example, of the FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS (not even its most modern modifications) are such that it is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 5-8 km with a maximum target height of up to 3,5 km. The flight parameters of the Mi-24 are quite appropriate. Modern modifications of this complex have more impressive characteristics.

In such a situation, the following can be stated: if one wonders whether the Russian helicopter could have been shot down not from the territory of Azerbaijan, but from the territory of neighboring Turkey, then the answer is yes. At least theoretically, there is such a probability, based on the flight parameters of the rotorcraft and the characteristics of MANPADS.

If so, then the situation in Baku is not easy. Having recognized the strike by Azerbaijani troops, it will be necessary to "show the world" the very serviceman who struck the strike, and also to declare what exactly the helicopter was shot down with. This is taking into account the fact that the Russian side already has fragments of the very missile, which was hit by the Mi-24. And the more the process of announcing the specific perpetrators of the strike is delayed, the more questions arise for the Azerbaijani side.
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  1. Cottager452
    Cottager452 11 November 2020 20: 20 New
    -20 qualifying.
    And what is the point of lying to the Azerbaijani prisoners? Well, they shot down in difficult conditions, apologized, offered compensation. The guilty ones will be punished in a disciplinary or other manner, as the investigation establishes.
    1. iouris
      iouris 11 November 2020 20: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      And what is the point of lying to Azerbaijani lies?

      Everyone knows who shot it down and why. It makes sense to lie to Aliyev. It was an attack on Armenia. It doesn't matter here Turkey or Azerbaijan - one army. These two only understand strength. It is impossible to negotiate with them, they are already dividing Russia (what is left of it).
      1. MTN
        MTN 11 November 2020 21: 47 New
        -40 qualifying.
        Quote: iouris
        It was an attack on Armenia.

        What will you do if a combat helicopter from Ukraine or Japan or China flies right over the Russian border? Just wondering? This is the first question. If possible, I would be happy if you can answer 2 questions. Let's say you are at war with Poland. Poland to NATO. I understand NATO is not afraid in Russia, but it also fights and no one needs problems either. And so you will shoot at a military helicopter of Poland, which will fly over the border? You have not received a notification from Poland ...... what do you think? And while in Poland there is a war with Belarusians.

        I believe that the killed pilots are responsible for both the one who fired from the MANPADS, and the one who drew the route, and in general you need to find out how the gunman knew that the helicopter would fly?
        1. Cheerock
          Cheerock 11 November 2020 22: 59 New
          +1
          I think that all three sides already knew perfectly well where and why the convoy was going and what kind of helicopter was there. But their bosses could forget to warn the border guards from the side of Nakhichevan.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 11 November 2020 23: 31 New
            -4
            Azerbaijan admitted guilt.
            And that's the point.
            All other versions are speculations for an attempt to embroil Russia with someone.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 November 2020 01: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              that's the point

              No
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 12 November 2020 13: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              Azerbaijan pleaded guilty.
              And that's the point.
              All other versions are speculations for an attempt to embroil Russia with someone.

              ===
              or took it upon himself, probably the author means
          2. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 12 November 2020 05: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: CheeRock
            But pograntsov

            Border guards ?????? Border guards do not go with MANPADS !!!! There is a specially prepared and carried out operation.
        2. brr1
          brr1 11 November 2020 23: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: MTN
          Quote: iouris
          It was an attack on Armenia.

          What will you do if a combat helicopter from Ukraine or Japan or China flies right over the Russian border? Just wondering? This is the first question. If possible, I would be happy if you can answer 2 questions. Let's say you are at war with Poland. Poland to NATO. I understand NATO is not afraid in Russia, but it also fights and no one needs problems either. And so you will shoot at a military helicopter of Poland, which will fly over the border? You have not received a notification from Poland ...... what do you think? And while in Poland there is a war with Belarusians.

          I believe that the killed pilots are responsible for both the one who fired from the MANPADS, and the one who drew the route, and in general you need to find out how the gunman knew that the helicopter would fly?

          The one who shot down is responsible, and since this is a serviceman of either Turkey or Azerbaijan, the one who pays his salary is responsible. Otherwise, if they put a man with an anti-aircraft gun with a poorly developed brain there, they are still responsible for the moron. Or perhaps for a group with different citizenship. And your attempts to legitimize this hostile act once again show us what Azerbaijan and Turkey are for the Russian Federation and how you treat Us. And thanks to such things, this attitude will be aggravated more and more. You'd better be glad that the utilization of your fighters has stopped for the glory of Turkey.
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 November 2020 23: 55 New
          +6
          Quote: MTN
          I believe that the killed pilots are responsible for both the one who fired from the MANPADS and the one who drew the route And in general, you need to find out how the shooter knew that the helicopter would fly?

          This is a good question, especially in the third part of it, especially considering that the cameraman's lens was in the right place, at the right time, and was directed exactly to the sector where the helicopter was hit. Suggests that this was not an accident, but if so, then someone will have to answer for this and not only by apologizing and paying compensation.
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 12 November 2020 04: 17 New
          +1
          nothing if it doesn't cross the border.
        5. Guru
          Guru 12 November 2020 07: 37 New
          +6
          MTN (KGB School) Yesterday, 21:47 NEW
          What will you do if a combat helicopter from Ukraine or Japan or China flies right over the Russian border?
          Did he understand what he wrote? Troll, come off already.
          I am explaining to you the Specially Gifted One.
          - combat helicopter of Ukraine - over Ukrainian territory - NIKTO has no right to shoot down.
          - combat helicopter of Japan - over Japanese territory - NIKTO has no right to shoot down.
          - a combat helicopter of China - over the Chinese territory - NOBODY has the right to shoot down.
          But any other people's helicopters over their territory HAS THE RIGHT to shoot down.
          I answered your first question.
          Let's say you are at war with Poland. Poland to NATO. I understand NATO in Russia is not afraid, but it also fights and problems are also not needed by anyone. And so you will shoot at a military helicopter in Poland, which will fly over the border? You have not received a notification from Poland ..

          What about the WAR?
          Azerbaijan that is at war with Armenia? A member of the CSTO! belay
          Go ahead wink
          And so you will shoot at a military helicopter in Poland, which will fly over the border?
          Over whose border? Your own! The answer is in your first question.
          Moving on.
          And while in Poland there is a war with Belarusians.
          If there is a war between Poland and Belarus (a member of the CSTO), then everything that flies over Poland will be shot down, and with that WITHOUT OPTIONS.
          The one who fired the MANPADS and the one who drew the route is responsible.

          The one who shot is definitely guilty, but with the second (point) of the problem.
          Even if it was an Armenian, Ukrainian, Chinese, Russian helicopter flying over the territory of ARMENIA, Azerbaijan had NO RIGHT to shoot down. Otherwise, it is a declaration of WAR to a CSTO member country. This means that Russia not only has the right but also the obligation - I repeat the obligation. DESTROY THE ENTIRE ARMY OF AZERBAIJAN. With a preemptive strike against BAKU.
          This is a declaration of war on RUSSIA.
          Now advice; Dear you, my Azerbaijani friend, if you do not understand the issue you are discussing, either keep quiet or delete your account. THIS IS NOT A TWITTER. The people on this site are for the most part literate and understand well both military and political issues.
          I hope I clearly explained.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 12 November 2020 09: 01 New
            -9
            Are people on this site literate ?? Oh, I can’t, don’t make me so funny!
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 12 November 2020 13: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Guru
            Dear you are my Azerbaijani friend

            ===
            unfortunately, and in fact rather, he / they have long been pro-Turkish friends. and Azerbaijanis will remain Azerbaijanis only in Russia.
        6. iouris
          iouris 13 November 2020 13: 31 New
          0
          Quote: MTN
          I believe the dead pilots are responsible

          Are you Aliyev's boss?
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 November 2020 22: 01 New
        -1
        I do not know who shot down and why, please enlighten plz.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 12 November 2020 08: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: iouris
        It makes sense to lie to Aliyev.

        There is. Erdogan asked. After what has been done, how can you refuse? "Just think of a helicopter (according to the logic of Baku) what they will do to us, but we have Karabakh!"
      4. EvilLion
        EvilLion 12 November 2020 08: 59 New
        -2
        Incompetence breeds confidence in knowledge. Knowledge only breeds doubt.
        1. Guru
          Guru 12 November 2020 10: 32 New
          +1
          Incompetence breeds confidence in knowledge. Knowledge only breeds doubt.

          And in context -
          Are people on this site literate ?? Oh, I can’t, don’t make me so funny!

          Well, I think further - NO COMMENTS hi
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 22: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      Well shot down

      It's easy to scatter other people's lives, right?
    3. denis obuckov
      denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 37 New
      +1
      The Azerbaijani department stated that the incident was accidental and was not directed against the Russian side - I swear by my Baku mother.
    4. Hypertension
      Hypertension 11 November 2020 22: 48 New
      +1
      The characteristics, for example, of the FIM-92 Stinger MANPADS (not even its most modern modifications) are such that it is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 5-8 km with a maximum target height of up to 3,5 km.

      In one Azeri public, the opinion was expressed that it was not MANPADS, but something more serious. If so, the version "from the Turkish side" will sparkle with new colors.
    5. gumas
      gumas 12 November 2020 00: 52 New
      +4
      nebylo tam sloznyh uslovij, do rajona boevyh destvei tam okola 200 km.
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 12 November 2020 08: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      And what is the point of lying to Azerbaijani lies?

      Well, for example, if you cover the Turks with MANPADS.
      The question is whether the Turks needed it or not. There is no definite answer here, tk. soldiers and dushmans could shoot.
      Military: the shot can be seen as a warning and a reminder - do not go further, this is our territory;
      Dushmans: in revenge for Syria.
      In any case, it is more profitable for Baku to take the blame of the Turks, especially since there will be nothing for Baku for the helicopter. Unfortunately, our people have become a bargaining chip in political games.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 11 November 2020 20: 22 New
    15
    Ours themselves agreed to hush up this story, why now wave their fists.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 November 2020 22: 02 New
      +6
      judging by how quickly a peace treaty was signed after that, and at what Azerbaijan did not go to the end, although if we judge it had all the chances to take ALL Karabakh under control, then that incident is very vague and difficult.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 November 2020 01: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Dodikson
        he had every chance to take control of ALL Karabakh

        He took it. Pashinyan made no claims for any other status of Karabakh.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 November 2020 08: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          He took it

          But not all. Where are the guarantees that without the downed helicopter Baku would not have gone to Stepanokert and closed the corridor. And here it is somehow foldable. It is obvious that this is not profitable for Baku in every sense. But who benefits from ... too
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 11 November 2020 22: 05 New
      +4
      “It’s interesting the girls are dancing.” (C) On the bones of the dead, for a minute.
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 22: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      Ours themselves agreed to hush up this story

      They are not ours.
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 11 November 2020 23: 10 New
      11
      Quote: APASUS
      Ours themselves agreed to hush up this story, why now wave their fists.

      Yours may have agreed, but I personally do not agree. And let no one ask me about it. This does not change anything. I am offended by the situation when every time downed Russian military planes and helicopters remain unanswered.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 12 November 2020 04: 19 New
        -1
        the perpetrators confessed. cover all costs. pay compensation. will find performers as promised. How do you want to get more satisfaction? declare war on them?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 12 November 2020 06: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          as do you want to receive more satisfaction? declare war on them?

          Do you know how? You seem to be an officer?
          And our combat units are brought down with a declaration of war or what ??
          Как? Ask the Israelis, in such cases they manage somehow without declaring war.

          Quote: carstorm 11
          cover all costs

          Are you a military man or a merchant?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 12 November 2020 08: 59 New
            0
            sometimes you amaze me) I asked a very specific question. As for my personal opinion, I am a military man. I will be ordered, I will execute at my level, I could not do anything there. life and service taught me that I have neither hysterics, even slight ones, nor prostration. I am not a boy. I treat everything with healthy cynicism. the majority here does not have it. learn to already understand, for everything always the answer arrives. that's how the world works. we got shit here we will do it in another place. it has been and always will be. I don't believe it was accidental. u is 200 percent true that this is a planned action. you can't just shoot down a helicopter at night, don't understand where with one MANPADS, without clearly pointing at its location and not knowing its course. and they will definitely answer for this. but we will never know about it))) these games are not at our level with you.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 12 November 2020 09: 04 New
              +1
              When they beat you, do you answer?

              Quote: carstorm 11
              we got shit here we will do it elsewhere

              It is the lot of the weak to shit on the sly elsewhere. The strong one responds immediately.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 12 November 2020 09: 14 New
                +4
                leave this pathos) everyone is always shitting) someone to us, we are to them. that 200 years ago that 100 that 20) I have already told you everything about the response to the blow. everyone always answers. just sometimes right away and sometimes later. in the near future the videoconferencing will again smash something with a huge bang and Erdogan will be indignant for a long time) you just do not realize it. they catch our spies we catch them they kill our soldiers we hit where their instructors sit. they plant our citizens, we plant them) everything is always interconnected. and it does not matter the state system or who leads the countries. these are principles that are hundreds of years old.
            2. Radius
              Radius 12 November 2020 20: 28 New
              0
              Quote: carstorm 11
              you can't just shoot down a helicopter at night, don't understand where with one MANPADS, without clearly pointing at its location and not knowing its course. ...

              MANPADS is such a thing that does not need the knowledge you listed. It is enough to aim in the direction of the target and do a few simple manipulations. Everything!
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 November 2020 06: 35 New
                -3
                exactly. and at the same time he still needs to be there. I didn't say aiming. I said aiming at the area.
          2. EvilLion
            EvilLion 12 November 2020 09: 03 New
            +3
            So the Turks after the Su-24, a bus with pilots without any war broke down from a bomb. Minus 30 their flyers.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 12 November 2020 09: 16 New
              -1
              Quote: EvilLion
              So the Turks after Su-24 bus with pilots without any war broke down by a bomb

              Precisely from ours? Nobody knows about it. But the whole world now knows about the downed Russian military equipment with impunity.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 12 November 2020 11: 13 New
                0
                And this is the point, that no one can say that from ours. Otherwise it would be a shame for the special services.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 13 November 2020 08: 01 New
                  +1
                  So if no one knows that that was exactly the answer, then what is the point?

                  The answer must be open and clear, that is the answer. And so all these are your fantasies.
              2. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 November 2020 06: 37 New
                -3
                in Izhlib, their military was hit by the VKS, I know for sure.
          3. La Peruse
            La Peruse 12 November 2020 09: 18 New
            -4
            Do not compare Israel with the Russian Federation! Israel is in a state of war, is the Russian Federation at war with someone?
          4. Dodikson
            Dodikson 12 November 2020 09: 44 New
            +2
            Pakistan shot down our planes (USSR) in Afghanistan, and Iran shot down too.
            how did ours declare war on Iran and Pakistan?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 12 November 2020 09: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Dodikson
              did ours declare war on Iran and Pakistan?

              Where did I call to declare war? To answer is not to declare war.
              1. La Peruse
                La Peruse 12 November 2020 09: 54 New
                -3
                Hm, how do you imagine that? Answer openly this is war
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 12 November 2020 14: 39 New
                  +3
                  Quote: La Peruse
                  Answer openly this is war

                  That is, when someone knocks down our cars - this is not a war, but if we answer, then immediately a war? Everything is clear with you, citizen.

                  By the way, the news:

                  An inscription appeared at the building of the Russian Foreign Ministry "Su-24, Mi-24, we tolerate ..."... This is a fair remark from the people, because in fact Russia acts as those who endure and do not answer.

                  Farther:
                  the position of Yevgeny Satanovsky regarding this incident, which he expressed in his Telegram channel. Satanovsky noted that after this incident, the Russian armed forces did not strike any blow at Azerbaijan in Karabakh. It turns out that Russia teaches that you can shoot at us with impunity - just apologize and pay compensation.


                  And we, the present, the ambassador to Turkey, and no one even noticed. So they look at us, see that they will endure, - commented Evgeny Satanovsky. Here, as if without explanation, everything is clear. We tolerate, tolerate and just threaten with missiles from cartoons.
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 12 November 2020 11: 14 New
              -3
              And strictly speaking, the USSR would also be wrong there, since ours often violated the border, sometimes on purpose, sometimes by accident, although the packs could have avoided this by simply driving out the Bmojahideen from their territory.
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 13 November 2020 16: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Dodikson
              Pakistan shot down our planes (USSR) in Afghanistan, and Iran shot down too.
              how did ours declare war on Iran and Pakistan?

              By the way, yes, a good example. Because in those days, the packs shot down ours in the airspace of Afghanistan - simply by the fact that our plane was approaching the border.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 12 November 2020 09: 02 New
        -3
        Whom are you going to kill for this case?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 12 November 2020 09: 19 New
          0
          Quote: EvilLion
          Whom are you going to kill for this case?

          What difference does it make to you? You will sit at home.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 12 November 2020 11: 15 New
            -4
            Well, I’m not calling for revenge, will you go yourself, or at home too?
    5. Guru
      Guru 12 November 2020 10: 37 New
      0
      Ours themselves agreed to hush up this story, why now wave their fists.
      And if they did not agree, then what to start a war? Who benefits from this is the main question. And as I understand from the chronology of events, this happened immediately after the signing of the "On the deployment of peacekeepers."
  3. Asad
    Asad 11 November 2020 20: 22 New
    +2
    The question is amateurish, is MI 24 helpless against a MANPADS?
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 11 November 2020 20: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: ASAD
      The question is amateurish, is MI 24 helpless against a MANPADS?

      There are several models of firing traps that theoretically can deceive a targeting head that reacts to thermal radiation. How effective they are, I do not know. Moreover, with the advent of rockets with image recognition heads ...
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 11 November 2020 22: 02 New
        +4
        4 km in the highlands? And in the dark? From a MANPADS? Hard to believe.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 12 November 2020 09: 04 New
          -2
          The helicopter, as it were, in peacetime at night, probably flies with lights.
          1. Maximilian37
            Maximilian37 12 November 2020 09: 28 New
            0
            Ours also flew with lights (review the video), it did not help. And perhaps it became an additional factor in its detection.
  4. Karabin
    Karabin 11 November 2020 20: 31 New
    +5
    And the more the process of announcing the specific perpetrators of the strike is delayed, the more questions arise for the Azerbaijani side.

    Whoever arises, he will grind. The Russian Foreign Ministry is completely satisfied.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 November 2020 22: 09 New
      +4
      Jury hi ,
      and the unhealthy preoccupation that precedes "satisfaction" has become "traditional."
      1. denis obuckov
        denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: lexus
        Jury hi ,
        and the unhealthy preoccupation that precedes "satisfaction" has become "traditional."


        Concern is a terrible force!
  5. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2020 20: 34 New
    11
    Quote: Summer Resident452
    And what is the point of lying to the Azerbaijani prisoners? Well, they shot down in difficult conditions, apologized, offered compensation. The guilty ones will be punished in a disciplinary or other manner, as the investigation establishes.

    You should have been put in this turntable! sad
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 November 2020 22: 10 New
      +7
      It was necessary to pack the real culprits there: Putin, Pashinyan, Aliyev, Erdogan.
      1. denis obuckov
        denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 56 New
        +8
        Quote: lexus
        It was necessary to pack the real culprits there: Putin, Pashinyan, Aliyev, Erdogan.


        Trump, Macron, Soros.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 November 2020 23: 02 New
          +1
          There, the compartment for the transport of troops takes 8 in full gear. These can be annoyed.
  6. the Saint
    the Saint 11 November 2020 20: 36 New
    -14 qualifying.
    The Turkish military will appear in Nagorno-Karabakh and will act on the same basis as the Russian peacekeepers.
    According to Anadolu, Turkish President Recep Erdogan announced this today after a meeting of the parliamentary faction of his Justice and Development Party.
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 11 November 2020 21: 14 New
      -9
      (yawning) yes, I did ... I even dreamed out loud.
      Only he is the leader of the tomato sellers,
      but he forgot about that.
      Airplanes with motors from the huskavarna chainsaw
      not counted.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 22: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: DKuznecov
        chief of tomato sellers

        We signed a piece of paper, on the basis of which the "leader of tomato sellers" can stop our presence in that region in five years by his own desire
        Who are we in this case?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 12 November 2020 08: 12 New
        0
        Quote: DKuznecov
        Airplanes with motors from the huskavarna chainsaw
        not counted.

        You are in vain! How much is a chainsaw and a tank, for example laughing
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 11 November 2020 22: 11 New
      -1
      let this Erdogan wipe himself out! Enough with him!
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 November 2020 22: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: hydroy
        let this Erdogan wipe himself out! Enough with him

        After reading your menacing comment, Erdogan dejectedly trudged off to wipe himself off.
      2. the Saint
        the Saint 12 November 2020 10: 42 New
        -2
        Quote: hydroy
        let this Erdogan wipe himself out! Enough with him!

        Exactly! We will fully finance Karabakh ourselves, we will do without the Turks!
    3. Guru
      Guru 12 November 2020 10: 40 New
      0
      The Turkish military will appear in Nagorno-Karabakh and will act on the same basis as the Russian peacekeepers.
      Why not, the Russian peacekeepers have a UN Security Council mandate, And the Turks have one?
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 12 November 2020 13: 47 New
        -1
        in fact, Russia does not have this mandate yet, and Turkey does not need it, they will be there at the invitation of the Azeris, they didn’t need any reason before, the Turks and the Azerbaijanis are for ever
  7. Free wind
    Free wind 11 November 2020 20: 39 New
    +7
    What is this opus for? Well, they will present some Mamed, or even Ivan, they also serve in the army, who can prove what? And why is the author sure that he was shot down with a stinger and not an arrow? Maybe just write right away that the missile was launched from Israel, or from the United States, and Clinton was shooting.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 22: 22 New
      +5
      An article is a suction from the finger ... of a fee laughing
    2. alpamys
      alpamys 12 November 2020 02: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      or even Ivan, in the army they also serve Russians

      not even Russians, but citizens of Russia, Meskhetian Turks, he dealt with such people in Turkey, they go there to serve in the army and serve in the Turkish army.
  8. maktub
    maktub 11 November 2020 20: 47 New
    -11 qualifying.
    Someone urgently needed to tie Turkey to the incident
    Probably in the light of the statements about the introduction of Turkish "peacekeepers"
  9. SaLaR
    SaLaR 11 November 2020 21: 04 New
    +8
    We washed ourselves with an airplane ... with a helicopter the same garbage will be ....... OFFENSIVE ... but true
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 11 November 2020 21: 32 New
      -5
      Nobody washed their face.
      The military has a term "loss of personnel."
      There are statistics and standards.
      "Let's figure it out, comrade!" Zhiglov said.
      1. denis obuckov
        denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 40 New
        -2
        Aptly called "friendly fire"
    2. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 11 November 2020 23: 50 New
      -2
      I will give you parabellum! ©.
  10. ANB
    ANB 11 November 2020 21: 05 New
    +7
    Quote: el Santo
    The Turkish military will appear in Nagorno-Karabakh and will act on the same basis as the Russian peacekeepers.
    According to Anadolu, Turkish President Recep Erdogan announced this today after a meeting of the parliamentary faction of his Justice and Development Party.

    And Aliyev said that there would be no Turks in Karabakh. Who's lying? Something tells me that it is not Aliev.
    1. Cottager452
      Cottager452 11 November 2020 21: 23 New
      -12 qualifying.
      Yes, everything is exactly there: ours are pacifying the Armenians, the Turks are looking to prevent genocide.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 11 November 2020 21: 34 New
        +9
        And not vice versa?
        1. Cottager452
          Cottager452 11 November 2020 21: 51 New
          -8
          It doesn't matter who can figure it out now.
    2. alpamys
      alpamys 12 November 2020 03: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: ANB
      Aliyev said that there will be no Turks in Karabakh. Who's lying?

      he couldn't say that ... here's the video, watch from 4:10 minutes
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 21: 19 New
    +6
    Of course, this is only a version so far .. Let them check. But we must pay tribute, Azerbaijan, that they did not get out and whine, but honestly admitted the fact. Well, if it's all the same, Turks ..... ((((
    And the lost pilots - eternal memory. Rest in peace. Patience and strength to their mothers, relatives and friends.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 November 2020 21: 27 New
      +1
      Let them check. But we must pay tribute, Azerbaijan, that they didn’t get out and whine, but honestly acknowledged the fact.
      Let's say the Turks were shooting, no matter from what territory. The owners ordered the vassals, tell them you shot down. The vassals honestly carried out the order. And the Turks know that you can shoot at the Russians, the Kremlin still does not give up its own.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 11 November 2020 22: 00 New
        -11 qualifying.
        And who is your master.?
        1. denis obuckov
          denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 43 New
          -7
          His master sleeps in the booth laughing
    2. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 11 November 2020 21: 38 New
      +3
      I'll bring in my "five cents".
      Did they have options?
      There are no discrepancies for anyone
      who, when, and from where fired.
      But. Stalin said -
      "any problem has a very specific name".
      what is there to check?
    3. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 11 November 2020 21: 39 New
      +4
      Do not throw persimmon, I am for ours.
      My wife and mother will have to explain - where,
      for what purpose and who is to blame.
      There will be problems with this.
  12. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 November 2020 21: 34 New
    +3
    the helicopter attack could well have been carried out from Turkish territory Well, yes ... the country began to look for foreign "switchmen"! Azerov, for some reason, decided to shield some personnel? Where did this fragment from the explanation of the Azerbaijani side come from then: "We thought it was an Armenian helicopter and it is over Nakhichevan!" That is, the Azeris saw (!) A helicopter ... they saw it near the border, they made a decision! Moreover, judging by the aforementioned fragment, a report on the shooting down came "up" ... And suddenly, Azerbaijan has nothing to do with ... Turkey is to blame! Who else? It's not for nothing that they call themselves the names of Turks! There are films where they manage to justify notorious criminals, and then these criminals commit even more terrible crimes! Maybe someone will remember such films ... and be able to name them!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 November 2020 08: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Azerbaijan has nothing to do with ... Turkey is to blame!

      What about the Turkish military in Azerbaijani uniform? It is no secret that the Turks fought in the army of Baku. Formally, in this situation, the Turks are not Turks, but pure Azerbaijanis
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 12 November 2020 09: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        What about the Turkish military in Azerbaijani uniform?

        What's the difference? request Turk, Talysh, Russian ... in Azerbaijani uniform, in the ranks of the Azerbaijani army, a soldier of the Azerbaijani army!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 November 2020 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          What's the difference?

          So that's what we are talking about! Some of the brunettes fired and now figure out who is Turkish and who is Azeri.
  13. Cottager452
    Cottager452 11 November 2020 21: 43 New
    -5
    If shot down by accident (it doesn't matter
    who) would be confirmed only after thorough and lengthy checks, at least for the sake of appearance and respect for decency.
    But they recognized it right away!
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 11 November 2020 22: 06 New
      +1
      Would have recognized anything on the day of the actual victory.
      1. La Peruse
        La Peruse 12 November 2020 09: 31 New
        -2
        Quite right! Aliyev is a smart man and he doesn't need problems out of the blue. The Russian Federation, in fact, with its own hands ensured him a victory and, moreover, on his terms
    2. denis obuckov
      denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 41 New
      0
      You did not understand the article, it means that Azerbaijan took the blame for the downed helicopter.
  14. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 11 November 2020 22: 06 New
    +1
    And it was already infa, did the helicopter accompany the convoy of peacekeepers?
  15. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 22: 13 New
    +2
    the more questions arise for the Azerbaijani side.
    Except for the highly respected Mr. Volodin. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Russia were completely satisfied with the explanations of the Azerbaijanis and no longer have questions, they are not interested in the personalities of the shooters.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 22: 40 New
      +1
      Is it a shame? Well, excuse me, I do not serve in either the Ministry of Defense or the Foreign Ministry
  16. vavilon
    vavilon 11 November 2020 22: 35 New
    +1
    But he could also be shot down from the Armenian side to drag Russia into a military conflict.
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 23: 33 New
      -1
      Let's be honest - Azerbaijan took responsibility. Surely Aliyev personally apologized to Putin. Putin accepted the apology. The question is closed. That is why neither the Ministry of Defense nor the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ask questions and are not interested in the personalities of the shooters.
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2020 22: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: lexus
    It was necessary to pack the real culprits there: Putin, Pashinyan, Aliyev, Erdogan.

    I would expand the list, only the guard would not have pulled it, and most importantly - the flyers (the kingdom of heaven to them!) They have nothing to do with! sad
  18. Babayka babaykin
    Babayka babaykin 11 November 2020 22: 43 New
    -6
    Your Russian southern neighbors, as they were bibiz ... Yankees, and remained them, because as the mind was not and will not be, you play with them and lose☝️☝️☝️
  19. denis obuckov
    denis obuckov 11 November 2020 22: 48 New
    +2
    Here you need to swing, so that sparks from the eyes and snot to the ground. Otherwise, it will become fashionable - to shoot down your aircraft.
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2020 23: 14 New
    0
    Quote: lexus
    There, the compartment for the transport of troops takes 8 in full gear. These can be annoyed.

    I know. soldier
  21. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 12 November 2020 00: 30 New
    +2
    Tell me where you can buy a pair of Eagles. And then over the dacha, the majors fly almost round the clock on "Robinsons" - there is no strength to endure.
  22. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 12 November 2020 00: 45 New
    +2
    I'm wondering why this helicopter had no protection against MANPADS ?!

    Why do we need such helicopters that can be shot down with one missile from MANPADS in modern conditions ?!

    Where are all these vaunted electronic warfare systems and other protection of helicopters like "Vitebsk" and other things ?!

    It is neither the Turks nor the Azerbaijanis who are to blame for the loss of the Mi-24 and people, but we ourselves !!! Because we are still sending people to war in cardboard armored personnel carriers / Bekhs, in tanks without a KAZ and in helicopters without protection from MANPADS missiles, in Su-25 attack aircraft, instead of using attack UAVs, etc.

    A criminal case against our commanders should be started a long time ago for negligence that has appeared in thousands of deaths since Afghanistan !!!
  23. Puper driver
    Puper driver 12 November 2020 01: 15 New
    +1
    Turkey Su-24, Azerbaijan Mi-24. What's next? We will continue to express our concern.
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 12 November 2020 03: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: PuperDriver
      Turkey Su-24, Azerbaijan Mi-24. What's next? We will continue to express our concern.

      in Karabakh, in fact, NATO fought against Soviet Russian weapons, who did whom everything was seen on YouTube, so there is no point in disgracing any further.
    2. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 12 November 2020 05: 40 New
      0
      Quote: PuperDriver
      Turkey Su-24, Azerbaijan Mi-24. What's next? We will continue to express our concern.

      It is necessary to exchange four for five.
  24. Konnick
    Konnick 12 November 2020 04: 34 New
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Everyone knows who shot it down and why. It makes sense to lie to Aliyev. It was an attack on Armenia.


    Not everyone knows, yet only an apology. Who was the first to showcase the video? Member of the Armenian Parliament Edmon Manukyan.
  25. prior
    prior 12 November 2020 10: 56 New
    0
    Everything is extremely simple, the expression of the traditional "concern" by the Russian Foreign Ministry ends in the future with downed planes and helicopters.
  26. Old26
    Old26 12 November 2020 16: 19 New
    +1
    The fact is that from the road in the Yeraskh region, where the Russian Mi-24 flew, to the nearest point of the border with Turkey is less than 4 km

    Actually, the distance there is about 7 km, not 4

    In such a situation, the following can be stated: if one wonders whether the Russian helicopter could have been shot down not from the territory of Azerbaijan, but from the territory of neighboring Turkey, then the answer is yes. At least theoretically, there is such a probability, based on the flight parameters of the rotorcraft and the characteristics of MANPADS.

    If so, then the situation in Baku is not easy. Having recognized the strike by Azerbaijani troops, it will be necessary to "show the world" the very serviceman who struck the strike, and also to declare what exactly the helicopter was shot down with. This is taking into account the fact that the Russian side already has fragments of the very missile, which was hit by the Mi-24.

    Theoretically (in terms of range) they could have come from the territory of Turkey, but if there are fragments of a rocket, then what is the point of Azerbaijan taking on someone else's fault, especially since Azerbaijan has no Stingers, and Turkey does not have Igla and " Arrow "
    Finding the "extreme" and saying that he shot down is not a problem. Iranians also found a switchman in a situation with a downed Ukrainian passenger plane

    Quote: iouris
    Everyone knows who shot it down and why.

    Well, of course. Everybody knows. And the facts also speak for the "what everyone knows" option?

    Quote: iouris
    they are already dividing Russia (what is left of it).

    From now on, more details. How and when did Azerbaijan begin to divide Russia? It looks like hatred for the Turks turns off everything: logic, common sense ...

    Quote: Victorio
    or took it upon himself, probably the author means

    I wrote a little higher. Azerbaijan and Turkey are armed with different MANPADS. There are debris from the rocket. To take the blame on Turkey if it was shot down by a Stinger at a time when Azerbaijan has only Strela and Needle from MANPADS - well, this is the top of the c.r.retinism. Don't think others are fools. And it looks like the same Aryans themselves have a stigma in the cannon. How did it become known about the place and time of flight of the turntable? Only "drain" by the Armenian dispatchers. It was they who absolutely knew the route of the flight and knew that in that place the turntable would go over the road, and not cut the corner.

    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Border guards ?????? Border guards do not go with MANPADS !!!! There is a specially prepared and carried out operation.

    Although this place is not a DB zone, but the border of Armenia-Azerbaijan. The calculation of MANPADS could be located there on an ongoing basis. And at night, when a helicopter comes at you (especially if it was said that a combat helicopter would fly without specifying state ownership) - to launch was the only option for the calculation. The result is tragedy. And let the specialists figure out how and what happened.

    Quote: Guru
    Why not, the Russian peacekeepers have a UN Security Council mandate

    Where can you read that our peacekeepers have a UN Security Council mandate? Generally, it is issued when the peacekeeping forces are formed by the decision of the Security Council. in this case, nothing of the kind was heard ...

    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    Why do we need such helicopters that can be shot down with one missile from MANPADS in modern conditions ?!

    Where are all these vaunted electronic warfare systems and other protection of helicopters like "Vitebsk" and other things ?!

    The helicopter flew, in principle, over the territory where there was no hostilities. ... And since he was walking over "friendly territory", which, moreover, "does not fight", no traps were fired. The question is WHY THE COLUMNS WERE AT SUCH TIME. Where electronic warfare systems and so on - mainly at exhibitions and export orders. How much and what it costs on ours is unknown
  27. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 12 November 2020 20: 34 New
    -1
    It never happened ...
    And here again.
  28. Azimuth
    Azimuth 12 November 2020 23: 20 New
    0
    The version that the Mi-24 was shot down from the territory of Turkey by the Stinger MANPADS, which, by the way, the Turks release under license does not stand up to criticism.
    Watching the map, watching the video. The video was filmed from the front-line (where the front has long been along the border) Azerbaijani village Sadarak. The Azerbaijani exclave Nakhichevan from the south along the Araks river borders with Iran, in the north with Armenia, and only in the west it has a small section of the border with Turkey along the Araks river. Accordingly, one can get to Turkey only through the Araks River via the Umid (Nadezhda) bridge, the bridge and this section of the border are of strategic importance for Nakhichevan / Azerbaijan.
    The Azerbaijani front-line village of Sadarak is located 7 km from the bridge / border. In the 90s, during the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the latter tried to seize Nakhichevan as well. Just in the area of ​​the village of Sadarak, there were fierce battles, the Armenian troops tried to cut off Nakhichevan from Turkey, from which it could receive assistance from weapons to food and medicine. As you can see, the war with Azerbaijan in the 90s, despite the pitiful stories of the Armenians about the self-determination of the "people of Karabakh" (as if they were not Armenians, but a different ethnic group), was in fact an ordinary war of conquest, the Armenians simply seized the territory of a neighboring state trying to expand the borders their state. But the problem for the Armenians was that Nakhichevan is under the protection of Turkey under an agreement between Turkey and Russia. At the beginning, Turkey provided assistance with weapons, judging by the photographs, who will also be poking around, pay attention to helmets and machine guns, Turkey bought weapons and equipment from the former German Democratic Republic army from Germany. When the situation at the front for Nakhichevan began to deteriorate, Turkey turned from warnings to Armenia to action. It was in the area of ​​the village of Sadarak that artillery strikes were delivered against the advancing Armenian troops. We, the Russian Federation, fearing a wider involvement of Turkey and the crossing of its army across the border, were forced to take action to stop the Armenians, but fighting constantly flared up there, just like along the line of contact in Karabakh and the border of Armenia with Azerbaijan in that region. That I google, the last fierce battles and also by the way near the village of Sadarak were in 2014, the use of the Mi-24 by Azerbaijan is mentioned.
    With the beginning of the current battles in Karabakh, Armenia again did not ignore Nakhichevan and on October 15 struck the OTRK Tochka-U on the eastern Ordubad region of Nakhichevan. That is, we remember once again that the border of Nakhichevan with Armenia is the front line, and strikes on Nakhichevan were inflicted by Armenia. That is, there is no need to talk about a peaceful area 200 km away from the war or a treaty area.
    One more nuance, we all remember the threats of Armenia of strikes by the OTRK on the dam of the Mingechevir reservoir, the Mingechevir state district power station, pipelines, etc. in Azerbaijan. In turn, Azerbaijan threatened to strike at Yerevan and the Metsamor nuclear power plant. Azerbaijan's "weapon of retaliation" is the large-caliber MLRS Kasyrga bought from Turkey. Just from the positions near or in the area of ​​the village of Sadarak, the Kasyrga MLRS cover the whole and guaranteed Yerevan, and can reach the nuclear power plant. Fortunately, the Armenian hand-picked missilemen did not hit the dam, but the Azerbaijanis did not hit the nuclear power plant, let me remind our people there, it is fully operated by Rosatom.
    It was very long and long, but they explained it myself, then I googled that I did not understand in order to figure it out, in short, the area of ​​the village of Sadarak in Nakhichevan is the Achilles heel, a strategic area where battles have been periodically going on since the 90s and where now Azerbaijani troops were sitting in positions waiting provocation or another attack by Armenians, or to strike if the Armenians hit the dam of the reservoir with all the thousands of dead civilians that flowed from there, or the state district power station.
    And now our Mi-24 is approaching this opera ... When I collected this picture and then I understand that it is incomplete, to be honest, I just do not understand what our crocodile carried there and what our fathers commanders thought ... You can tell that we are on the territory Armenia was, etc., but do you know what is the best road rule? - three D, Give way to the Fool, and here, apparently, it was necessary to do, if our crocodile really flew to cover the column, and did not have other tasks.

    Now back to the map and video. The one who was filming is located in the eastern part of the settlement of Heydarobad and is filming the moment a missile hits the Mi-24 in the northwest. There is already a crowd on the street, that is, everyone heard the helicopter and not all of a sudden, and suddenly, a moment before the rocket was launched into it, and BEFORE, otherwise the crowd simply would not have time to gather, but she gathered and watched what was happening and apparently there was something to see BEFORE ONE how our Mi-24 was shot down.
    The point on the map is the LOCATION, not the defeat of the Mi-24. Judging by the video at the time of the defeat of our crocodile, it was from Nakhichevan, and not from Turkey, that they shot at him. Let me remind you about 7 km from the western outskirts of Sadarak village to the border, and almost the same distance from Heydarobad.
    The version about the Stinger MANPADS - the Turks produce its latest modifications under an American license. The Turks did not supply these MANPADS to Azerbaijan - and they cannot, and they are expensive. The Azerbaijanis are armed with our Igla, Igla-S MANPADS.
    Returning to the missile launch at our Mi-24. The anti-aircraft gunner, I repeat, wrote in a different topic, does not sit with MANPADS in the first line, his trench / position is equipped in the depth of the defense. And now, proceeding from this, we estimate where the shooter was sitting and where our helicopter was at the moment the missile was launched at it, at the moment of the hit, but we know the point of impact. Many questions arise. if you think about it ...

    Once again, the place, the section of the flight route is a complete OPA, there everyone is sitting on the "just about", this is all well known to ours. And our helicopter appears, exactly the same as in service with the Armenians whose repeated attack, after being hit by a missile, they sit and wait. And either the helicopter made overflights of the route and, having completed the circle, again entered the anti-aircraft gunner, or something else, we can only guess and make assumptions. But only a fact. that the peace man had already seen and heard him, he managed to pour out into the streets, and turn on the cameras and he was shot down by an anti-aircraft gunner from the territory of Azerbaijan.
    Once again I will repeat the statement that the helicopter was in an area where the fighting was not conducted incorrectly.
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 13 November 2020 18: 22 New
    0
    Quote: MTN
    Quote: iouris
    It was an attack on Armenia.

    What will you do if a combat helicopter from Ukraine or Japan or China flies right over the Russian border? Just wondering? This is the first question. If possible, I would be happy if you can answer 2 questions. Let's say you are at war with Poland. Poland to NATO. I understand NATO is not afraid in Russia, but it also fights and no one needs problems either. And so you will shoot at a military helicopter of Poland, which will fly over the border? You have not received a notification from Poland ...... what do you think? And while in Poland there is a war with Belarusians.

    I believe that the killed pilots are responsible for both the one who fired from the MANPADS, and the one who drew the route, and in general you need to find out how the gunman knew that the helicopter would fly?

    The route is not "drawn" - it is laid out and displayed on the map. lol wassat
  30. Charik
    Charik 13 November 2020 21: 49 New
    0
    in the bunker will be swallowed and voiced concern
  31. Dedok
    Dedok 16 November 2020 14: 34 New
    +1
    I ask the question again:
    and what, we did not have satellite tracking in this extremely dangerous zone for you and me?
    why then do we need Roskosmos and others like him?