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"Between Stinger and Patriot": a new missile presented in the USA

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The US military showed a new missile, the exact characteristics of which are not yet available in open sources. It is only known that it must occupy a niche between the Stinger MANPADS and Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems. As can be seen from this definition, the spread is very wide.


Joseph Trevithick writes about the new rocket in his article published by The Drive.

This is a low-cost, extended-range air defense system that belongs to the LOWER AD project. She recently passed flight tests.

There is a yellow stripe on the body of the missile, indicating that it has been equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. The brown strip in the center shows where the engine is located.

There is no exact information about the manufacturer of the missile system, but visually it resembles the Peregrine small rocket produced by Raytheon.

Information about the LOWER AD project first appeared in 2018. His task was to create an easy-to-operate and relatively inexpensive missile system. The cost of firing such weapons should be lower than that of the Patriot air defense system. But it must be more long-range weaponthan MANPADS Stinger. The complex is designed for a greater number of missiles with a shorter range of destruction to combat subsonic cruise missiles and attack drones.

And now a new rocket has been presented in the United States that meets these requirements. At least, this is what media publications say.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 11 November 2020 17: 35
    -4
    Between Stinger and Patriot

    And how long will it be like this? Vraskoryaku!
    1. Borik
      Borik 11 November 2020 17: 50
      +4
      The US military showed a new missile, the exact characteristics of which are not yet in open sources


      Soon the Chinese will post all the performance characteristics about the rocket on their media resources.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 17: 59
        0
        Quote: Borik
        Soon the Chinese will post all the performance characteristics about the rocket on their media resources.

        Has already. Auto translation:
        The stated goal at the time was to develop an air defense interceptor that would have a range of more than 25 kilometers, or more than 15,5 miles, and would be capable of shooting down fixed and rotary-wing aircraft and large artillery missiles, as well as drones and cruise missiles. The missile will be launched using existing Army radars and will use an undefined active seeker to target its target in the final phase of the flight.

        The hope was that the weapon could do all of this for less than $ 150 "to kill."


        1. bayard
          bayard 12 November 2020 12: 48
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          Has already. Auto translation:

          Something in between "Pantsir" and "Buk", or rather between "Pantsir-C1" and "Pantsir-MS".
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 12 November 2020 13: 00
            -1
            Quote: bayard
            Something in between "Pantsir" and "Buk"

            Rather it is. They talk about a range of 40 km.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 11 November 2020 17: 51
      +6
      On the rocket body there is yellow stripe,
      Ukrainian "strategists" jumped for joy, all they had to do was paint the blue stripe ...
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 November 2020 18: 07
        +2
        under the eye they will find a blue stripe if they look in the mirror
      2. dzvero
        dzvero 11 November 2020 18: 13
        +1
        And why finish, the brown one below should suit ...
    3. Turanov
      Turanov 11 November 2020 17: 52
      0
      Quote: Theodore
      Between Stinger and Patriot

      And how long will it be like this? Vraskoryaku!

      Well, the longer, the better for us .. Let them catch up! hi
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 12 November 2020 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Theodore
      Between Stinger and Patriot
      And how long will it be like this? Vraskoryaku!

      Your truth. How many years have passed since the imitation of the Su-24 attack on Cook. What the hell are the Khibiny. Five meters above the sea and Aegis is out of work. Jews were invited and at least something against Us
  2. Rumblings
    Rumblings 11 November 2020 17: 37
    -1
    I remember in the Geography class there were a lot of stones from the table of the great Mendeleev.
    And so harmful, the more impudent the enemy, the more we must show our I and are not afraid.
  3. Dodikson
    Dodikson 11 November 2020 17: 41
    +5
    but this is by the way shitty news, because earlier with air defense they had relative seams.
    now they are covering a solid gap.
    1. alma
      alma 11 November 2020 17: 45
      14
      Well, respectively, we need to saturate the troops with various UAVs yes
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 November 2020 17: 55
      +3
      Quote: Dodikson
      earlier with air defense they had relative seams

      That's right targets LOWER AD subsonic cruise missiles and attack drones Peregrine aviation missile 1,8 m, weight 22,7 kg. cheap and cheerful
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 November 2020 18: 05
        +3
        if this is a Peregrine alteration, then it is 22kg, about 22kg along the duck, since it is between AMRAAM and Sidewinder, and the latter weighs 80-90kg. on vpk-news they write that Peregrine weighs 67kg.
        but the weight is the second thing, I am interested in the range, if Peregrine hits at 64 km, the ground one is less, but it may well reach 40 km. and this already sucks.
        it would be okay for another 10-20 km, although this is lousy, but 40 it significantly improves their position.
        they previously did not have an analogue of Bukam and Toram, but now they will appear.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 November 2020 18: 25
          +2
          Quote: Dodikson
          on vpk-news they write that Peregrine weighs 67kg.

          You are right 22 kg for an aircraft missile, this is nonsense over if not alteration

          Raytheon enumera el Peregrine con una longitud de 6 pies (1,8 m) y un peso total de aproximadamente 150 libras (68 kg), o aproximadamente la mitad de la longitud y masa de los 12 pies (3,6 m) y 335 libras (152 Kg) del AIM-120
        2. venik
          venik 11 November 2020 20: 39
          +2
          Quote: Dodikson
          they previously did not have an analogue of Bukam and Toram, but now they will appear.

          ==========
          Yes, there were!
          1. Patriot PAC-3, 1999, Range - 20 km, Height - 20 km;


          2. NASAMS, 1994, Range - 2.5-25 km; Height - 0.03-16 km, Probability - 0.85


          3. SLAMRAAM, 2009, Range - 25 km. Probability - 0,6-0,8


          4. Patriot (MIM-104A), 1983, Range: 3-80 km, Altitude: 0,06 - 24 km, Probability: 0,8 (in combat conditions, 0,4-0,6).


          5. MEADS, 2014, Range: (BR) 3-35 km, (ADC) 3-100 km, Height: 25 km,


          As you can see - enough! The main problem is the high cost of intercepting (missiles), so they try to create something simpler and cheaper ...
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 November 2020 21: 00
            0
            what of this besides the long-range air defense system Patriot is in service with the US army?
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 21: 28
            -1
            Quote: venik
            The main problem is the high cost of intercepting (missiles), so they are trying to create something simpler and cheaper.

            Done right. I wonder why they don't use APKWS to build close-range air defense systems. It seems logical with them to block the zone between cannon armament and short-range missiles. A versatile system against slow air targets and ground targets. The British put them on the "wheels". With the F16, the KR simulator was shot down.
            Of course, it looks like they are waiting for laser weapons, but you can not wait.

    3. APASUS
      APASUS 11 November 2020 19: 34
      -1
      Quote: Dodikson
      but this is by the way shitty news, because earlier with air defense they had relative seams.
      now they are covering a solid gap.

      This is not a gap, this is another super weapon, it closed all niches from Stinger to Patriot
    4. venik
      venik 11 November 2020 20: 04
      +7
      Quote: Dodikson
      but this is shitty news, by the way, because earlier they had relative seams with air defense, but now they are covering a solid gap

      ========
      Sorry, but this is somewhat erroneous opinion! They had no "seam" and no "gap". The fact that the states do not pay so much attention to military and object air defense (ground-based) means that there are simply significantly fewer of them. in count, but, does not mean at all the lack of a variety of different systems! Moreover, they are quite effective. In the range of 20-40 km they already have three land complexes: Patriot PAC-3, NASAMS and SLAMRAAM.
      Simply the essence of the new development is the creation of a complex with perhaps even somewhat reduced characteristics, but as cheap as possible (the cost of a rocket should not be more than $ 150 thousand), due to the use of simplified homing devices and the widespread use of ready-made design solutions. In addition, such a system must be compatible with those already in service. (details - in the comments OgnennyiKotik higher)! That's all! hi
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 November 2020 20: 37
        -1
        there are no 3 land complexes there, moreover, there is not even one land complex.
        because
        1) Patriot PAC-3 is a missile defense system, and yes, it can shoot down targets at a distance of 25 km, but it was not created for this, otherwise I can also write that the S-400 is a replacement for Toru, because the S-400 can also shoot down targets at a distance of up to 18 km.
        2) NASAMS is Norwegian and is not purchased for the American troops (one air defense system from the National Guard, and 3 launchers in Washington, although maybe they are just the same air defense system from the National Guard) and was not planned to be purchased
        3) SLAMRAAM (in fact, the same NASANS) is not in service, moreover, it will not be, what is described in the article instead of him.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 20: 57
          +2
          A question of wording. If you mean "massively exploited", then not a lot, if "tested, ready for serial production in a short time" then a lot. From 0 to 460 km, everything is covered by various air defense / missile defense systems. The question of necessity.
          When I read foreign websites, the US military raise the issue of the growing military power of the PRC and what to oppose to it.
          As I already wrote, within the framework of air defense / missile defense, they are concerned about medium-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and UAVs. A threat appeared, they began to solve it. Against medium-range ballistic missiles THAAD and Patriot. However, against cruise missiles and UAVs, all current military air defense / missile defense is ineffective. Too expensive to fend off massive attacks. So they solve the problem.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 November 2020 21: 01
            -2
            What exactly have they already tested and is preparing for mass production?
            only from real projects, otherwise I am aware that SLAMRAAM should have been in service for 8 years already, but everything is not worth it and is not going to.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 21: 07
              0
              Quote: Dodikson
              What exactly have they already tested and is preparing for mass production?

              Short-medium range has already been written: Patriot PAC-3, NASAMS and SLAMRAAM.
              Quote: Dodikson
              SLAMRAAM has to be in service for 8 years already, but everything is not worth it and is not going to.

              And it won't. It is too expensive and therefore not effective against modern threats.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 11 November 2020 21: 16
                -4
                damn, I don't even know what to say ...
                1) Patriot PAC3 has been in service for a LONG time
                1a) Patriot PAC3 is not a short-medium-range air defense system at all, it is a LONG-range air defense system (80 km it was a long range).
                2) where in the US will NASAMS be produced? or how many air defense systems are the states going to buy?
                3) "And it won't. It is too expensive, therefore not effective against modern threats." - and why the Patriot is then produced and not going to be removed from service? After all, it is also expensive, which means, according to your logic, it is not effective, because only cheap air defense systems can effectively shoot down enemy aircraft.
                SLAMRAAM is not accepted because it does not reach the NORMAL SAM. but what is described in the article is the ersatzZRK for the Patriot's SUPPLEMENT, and he will be under the patriot's tutelage, taking on weak subsonic and low-maneuverability targets and UAVs, leaving difficult for the Patriot.
                and this is not a damn thing, not a Buk that can intercept what even the Patriot cannot intercept (at least as stated in the performance characteristics in the Buk M3 version, which began to catch up with the Patriot in range) and not Thor, which intercepts complex and highly maneuverable targets.
                also layers of air defense, but not at all like ours where all air defense systems should be full-fledged and differ in range
    5. Nasdaq
      Nasdaq 11 November 2020 20: 05
      +2
      The rocket resembles the AIM-120 AMRAAM.
      But amraam is an expensive thing, the latest modifications for 2 lem for 1 rocket.
      Maybe this is a simplified version adapted to the ground launcher. The photo shows a rocket with a clearly non-optical seeker. In any case, a radar seeker is expensive.
      I don't think that radio command guidance is like a shell.
      This is reminiscent of Norwegian nasams.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 11 November 2020 20: 38
        0
        latest modifications 4.3 million apiece.
        these should be cheap, but damn it I don’t understand how they with an active radar seeker can make it cheap (something about 390 thousand instead of 4 million).
        the only option is that the heads of old missiles will go here to the seeker, or old missiles from the presence of the US Air Force are being converted
        and yes, it's a NASAMS-like system
  4. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 17: 48
    0
    The US Army also adopted the SM-6 and Tomahawk as medium-range surface-to-surface missiles. Perhaps the SM-6 will retain the properties of an air defense / missile defense missile. It will be the most versatile missile and will work against air, land and sea (ships) targets.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 November 2020 18: 06
      +1
      SM-6s seem to start only with MK41, that is, there were no mobile launchers for them. and emnip in Europe they should have been in Romania and possibly in Poland. and not cover the troops.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 18: 14
        0
        Here is a mobile PU for the Tomahawk. They have similar dimensions to the SM-6. It's not a problem to do.

        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 11 November 2020 18: 20
          -1
          it's not a problem to do that, but they didn't seem to even try.
          All the announced plans for SM-6 on land were only about Romania on stationary launchers and, as an option, possibly in the future in Poland.
          about the fact that they want to make a mobile air defense system for the troops was not mentioned anywhere at all, and God forbid that it would be so.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 November 2020 18: 26
            -1
            although their work in this direction is moving.
            just read

            The contract is valid until December 31, 2023. The US Army announced that the prototype of the first battery of the MRC program with Tomahawk and SM-6 missiles should be submitted for military testing by the US Army by the end of fiscal year 2023 (that is, by October 31, 2023). In the budget for the 2020 financial year, $ 57,959 million is allocated for the work on the complex.

            The MRC mobile ground launcher is expected to be based on the shipborne Mk 41 vertical launcher and should use both types of missiles, and the missiles should be standard for the US Navy and not undergo any special modifications. The complex will be capable of hitting ground and surface targets. The firing range in the version of the ground launch of the Tomahawk cruise missile (in Block IV and V versions) with a non-nuclear warhead is estimated at up to 1800 km.


            though SM-6 is here to strike at ground targets. but they will be able to make them PU and for missiles. guidance will receive external. while they do not set such a task, but they can do it quickly
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 18: 44
              0
              They are primarily interested in these missiles in the Asia-Pacific region. Preparing for war with China. This Lower-AD is also primarily against China's UAVs and CDs. They are afraid that there will not be enough Patriot missiles and will simply overload the air defense / missile defense. They also consider a Patriot missile too expensive for a UAV with aliexpress for 200 bucks.
              It is easier to make a movable PU by taking a package of 4 Mk41, a lifting mechanism and a trailer. Target designation is external, they upgrade something ready.
              SM-6 for work on the ground will be upgraded, you need to increase the range. More details here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37485/the-army-has-officially-selected-the-navys-sm-6-missile-to-be-used-in-a -strike-role

              Photos from the Tomahawk test:
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 11 November 2020 18: 04
    +1
    This is how they do it ... in the classical style, i.e. ROCKET, not laser, super projectile or railgun.
  6. Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 11 November 2020 18: 29
    -6
    The Patriot cannot be called a successful rocket, and the Stinger is outdated for a long time, it is difficult to even imagine that there could be an intermediate one.
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 11 November 2020 18: 49
    0
    Is it like Buk?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 11 November 2020 19: 22
      0
      Rather like the Israeli "Iron Dome"
      Possible appearance:
  8. Romeo Tarzanov
    Romeo Tarzanov 11 November 2020 18: 50
    -8
    Agony ... The people of syshia must, at least believe in something ...
  9. Avior
    Avior 11 November 2020 18: 59
    +3
    This system was discussed last year
    There was also about six layers of air defense
    https://topwar.ru/162582-perspektivnyj-zrk-lower-ad-deshevoe-dopolnenie-dlja-pjetriota.html?_gl=1*17gw0r*_ga*ZTU4VlZFVjJfa3l0RkVrbUxRcTJIVnZScHUwdVpkUFFCRFY0UTRpbFR0bVRNVlZVdjl4YW0yV2xQX0dzelJkTg..#comments
  10. yfast
    yfast 11 November 2020 19: 47
    -1
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Preparing for war with China.

    Can I start digging?
  11. Old26
    Old26 11 November 2020 23: 36
    +2
    Quote: Dodikson
    SM-6s seem to start only with MK41, that is, there were no mobile launchers for them. and emnip in Europe they should have been in Romania and possibly in Poland. and not cover the troops.

    In Romania and Poland, it shouldn't have stood. It was planned to install the originally SM-3 Block 2A (instead of the already installed SM-3 Block 1B), and in the future SM-3 Block 2B (but the program for creating this rocket is closed)

    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Here is a mobile PU for the Tomahawk. They have similar dimensions to the SM-6. It's not a problem to do.


    This is the FORMER setup for the Griffon. They were destroyed under the INF Treaty. But you are right. Making a new one is not so difficult.
  12. Phoenix
    Phoenix 11 November 2020 23: 36
    -3
    So this is the AIM-120, what's unknown? Legs grow from the NASAMS complex, which has been in service in the United States for several decades. They opened the basement, took out an old rocket and told everyone that it was new. See what you are reprinting, why do we need such "news"?
  13. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 November 2020 06: 08
    0
    And they wrote that the Americans were experiencing an "iron dome".
    Didn't fit?
    Or not a dollar to anyone but yourself?