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First MS-21-310 powered by Russian PD-14 engines transferred for flight tests

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First MS-21-310 powered by Russian PD-14 engines transferred for flight tests

The Irkut Corporation has completed the construction of the first MC-21-310 aircraft with Russian PD-14 engines; the aircraft has been handed over for flight tests. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.


The Corporation rolled out the first prototype of MS-21-310 passenger aircraft with Russian-developed PD-14 engines. On November 6, the aircraft was transferred to the flight test unit of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant from the assembly shop. According to the plans of the testers, after checking all the aircraft systems, it will pass the required ground tests, after which it will start flying. As previously reported in the UAC, the first flight of the MS-21 is scheduled for the end of this year.

Earlier it was reported that the PD-14 engine installed on the new airliner managed to pass full certification in Russia, and the European one is planned for the end of 2022. It is planned that two MC-21 aircraft will undergo flight tests.


Recall that at the end of July this year, a mock-up of the PD-14 engine was first mounted on the MS-21 pylons. The engine slid into place without comment. During the installation, the correctness of the design solutions incorporated into the engines was confirmed.

The medium-range airliner MS-21 has been under development since the early 2000s. All previous tests of the MS-21 took place with the American PW1400G engine. Now the MS-21-310 with the Russian PD-14 turbofan unit starts testing.

The PD-14 turbofan engine has been developed since 2008. This is the first new aviation engine developed in Russia over the past 30 years. The PD-14 two-circuit twin-shaft engine is capable of developing a thrust of up to 14 tons in take-off mode.

The MS-21 will be supplied to Russian customers with PD-14 engines in the MS-21-310 modification, and for export - with the American PW1400G power plants.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 11 November 2020 15: 06
    39
    Successful flights. And an early setting for serial assembly of these aircraft.
    1. credo
      credo 11 November 2020 15: 53
      -7
      Quote: Borik
      Successful flights. And an early setting for serial assembly of these aircraft.

      That's good, but why export with American engines?
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 11 November 2020 15: 56
        -2
        Probably that would not repeat what happened to the "superjet".
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 11 November 2020 16: 14
          -1
          For the sake of justice. In the article of Arguments of the Week (which well covers the real situation in aircraft construction) "Guests from the future" 12-18. 08.2020 write about the problems of MS-21:
          1. It is necessary to replace 54 units and elements of the MS-21 system, including the APU, avionics units, and fuels. systems, saved. ladders and rafts, pilot seats, ale. interior design and much more.
          2. So far, all wings made of composites are different in characteristics and all have problems with the resource.
          3. Many experts believe that composites do not have weight and significant advantages over modern ones. metal. alloys. A classic version with metal is being worked out. wing.
          4. The P-14 has western components, in particular a starter-generator. The article "Lies in aircraft construction is the art of survival." 21-27. 10.2020
          5. Import substitution in MS-21 with the implementation of R&D and completion of work in general until 2024.
          Something like that. hi
          As for the IL-114 in general, it turns out a "fairy tale", read the above articles. Quote: "So far, no one is engaged in ground testing of engines in the Il-114-300 aircraft in Zhukovsky!"
          An interesting article "Il-114-300 lead to disaster" from 30.08.-6.09.2020.
          1. slipped
            slipped 11 November 2020 16: 46
            +9
            Quote: Kasym
            As for the IL-114 in general, it turns out a "fairy tale", read the above articles. Quote: "So far, no one is engaged in ground testing of engines in the Il-114-300 aircraft in Zhukovsky!"
            An interesting article "Il-114-300 lead to disaster" from 30.08.-6.09.2020.


            1. Kasym
              Kasym 11 November 2020 17: 27
              -5
              slipped, it's one thing to shoot a video, which I saw by the way, and another systematic work. Somehow lawyer Slyusar and journalist Rogozin have little faith. Professionals should work on such positions, and not "guests from the future" (as they were dubbed in the Arguments of the Week). hi
              1. slipped
                slipped 11 November 2020 18: 11
                +4
                Quote: Kasym
                it's one thing to shoot a video


                This is from the series - I can't believe my eyes? laughing

                Quote: Kasym
                Somehow lawyer Slyusar and journalist Rogozin have little faith.


                But as for me - "Arguments of the Week" has little faith, that is still a vulgar rag. laughing
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 11 November 2020 20: 14
                  -3
                  So vulgar that Rogozin filed a lawsuit against them. Yes, and Putin (Rogozin) for his work recently criticized.
                  Let's see when MS-21 and Il-114 will pass the state with domestic components - then laughing .
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 11 November 2020 20: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: Kasym
                    Yes, and Putin (Rogozin) for his work recently criticized.


                    Strange, he criticized the Ministry of Finance for the fact that the plans of Roscosmos, submitted to the government in August in time, began to flirt bureaucraticly without allocating the requested money. And they rushed to the excuse that they say the plans are not presented in a package, but in parts for specific programs. They are cunning. laughing
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 12 November 2020 06: 14
                      +3
                      They are all cunning - excuses for any failure. laughing Siluanov lost 4,36 trillion rubles in 10 months ...
                      And nothing - in place and unsinkable.
                      Rogozin's rockets don't fly, but he began to write songs lol "And on the East, and on the East ..." belay
                      The third reports that from next year the MS-21 will go into series belay , although he knows that we were denied the supply of components and the next step is the refusal to supply radio components ... There are no analogues and by 2024 they will definitely not replace everything necessary ... The wing made of domestic carbon fiber has not yet been tested and will be strong in terms of characteristics differ ...
                      But the reports are gallant !!!
                      Scrolling the engines to the camera is one thing, but achieving their stable operation and issuing the declared / ordered characteristics ... does not work. They stall on takeoff. Do not provide the required thrust. And they are designed at the limit of the possible ... After all, the facts are known. repeat
                      But they are already publishing a production schedule for the same MC-21 from next year ...
                      Who is this all for?
                      All this chatter?
                      And even the long-awaited PD-14 is still unknown how it will show itself in operation ... how did they manage to design it according to a two-shaft scheme? Without a reduction gear on the fan shaft? These are WHAT centrifugal loads on its blades act at maximum speed ... Therefore, the bypass degree had to be done less than that of the British and Americans.
                      I hope at least the PD-35 does not have the same scheme ...
                      HOW could it be possible, living for the last 7 years under EVERYTHING INCREASING sanctions, not to worry about the localization of the production of all components for the hope of our aircraft industry? And on the eve of launching the series, get a refusal from ALL foreign suppliers, a refusal to supply components?
                      They flew in pink clouds all these 7 years? !!!
                      And what is the FAILURE with the serial production of the Il-76MD90A !!!?
                      Just enchanting.
                      And no one is to blame.
                      Nobody was in control.
                      Nobody oversaw the process from the customer!
                      When in the late USSR work was carried out on the programs of ICBMs R-36M2 and "Well done", then from the Central Committee and the Politburo EVERY day the plant director and chief designer were called!
                      And they reported EVERY DAY !!!
                      Because there was a RESPONSIBLE in the Central Committee - a curator who was responsible for a direction, for a specific industry or program! He was both a "Domokles sword" hanging over the performers, and an assistant in debugging cooperation and coordination, and a lobbyist in power.
                      And everything worked!
                      AND DO NOT STEAL !!!
                      AND ANSWERED FOR EVERY WORD!

                      Well, how is it with us with "Sarmat"?
                      Have you flown?
                      Not ?
                      And then what, then, they swear to put into service next year?
                      ... It's just some kind of ... diarrhea of ​​words and promises ... blatant incompetence ... and triumphant, exultant, ecstatic ... IMPUNITY !!!

                      And in truth ... to WHOM to answer then? ... No.
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 12 November 2020 14: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: bayard
                        Rogozin's rockets don't fly


                        What "missiles do not fly" from Rogozin? laughing In the current PCF, everything flies. The money is needed for the fact that there is no FKP, but we need to do it now.
                      2. bayard
                        bayard 12 November 2020 23: 54
                        0
                        "Sarmat" flying?
                        When?
                        Next year they are going to put it into service lol
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 13 November 2020 03: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: bayard
                        "Sarmat" flying?
                        When?


                        So i said laughing
                        Sarmat is not included in the federal space program.

                        Quote: bayard
                        Next year they are going to put it into service lol


                        themselves answered their own question
                      4. bayard
                        bayard 13 November 2020 04: 57
                        -2
                        I have a question - when will it fly. That is, they will conduct at least the first successful tests in a full cycle - for intercontinental range and with training warheads. With the defeat of targets on the ground.
                        And how can you say that such a complex system has been adopted without having completed a FULL cycle of test launches?
                        Why make such loud and equally unfounded statements that dishonor a government official of this rank and Russia as a whole?
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 13 November 2020 13: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: bayard
                        I have a question - when will it fly


                        First, no one will answer this question for you, there is no point in asking such questions.

                        Quote: bayard
                        Why make such loud and equally unfounded statements that dishonor a government official of this rank and Russia as a whole?


                        Second, the supply of the first missiles to the troops in 2021 was announced in February of this year by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko. I think he is aware of what is there and how. laughing
  2. Oden280
    Oden280 11 November 2020 19: 44
    +1
    It is a pity that you cannot use foul language on this site, otherwise your nonsense will not be commented on.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 11 November 2020 20: 15
      -3
      If it’s nonsense, it’s not mine - read better articles.
      1. bayard
        bayard 12 November 2020 06: 28
        +2
        He is not a reader, he is a writer.
        Patriotism (love for the Motherland) is not "Hurray" to shout to every promise / report, but to KNOW, BE ABLE and LOVE to work for the good of your Motherland (that is, the Ardent Fatherland).
        And to bring out scoundrels and gorlopanov - robbers and windbags, for they are the enemies of the Fatherland.
        And as Comrade Stalin rightly said in his time - the enemies of the People.
  3. Elturisto
    Elturisto 12 November 2020 13: 44
    0
    Import substitution for this project is not realistic in principle. Many formally Russian-made systems are actually imported-air conditioning systems and some others. The project should be closed, the initiators are on trial for embezzlement, and the Tu-204 and its modifications should be produced.
  4. Elturisto
    Elturisto 12 November 2020 13: 54
    +1
    And where can you read the article "Lies in the aircraft industry - the art of surviving." 21-27. 10.2020?
  • tech3030
    tech3030 11 November 2020 20: 23
    +5
    And what are you minus? Superjets were standing because there was no well-established service, problems with the engines, now it seems to have improved. Therefore, past mistakes should be avoided whenever possible.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 November 2020 16: 58
    -7
    He will go to the Russian Federation with American turbojet engines ...
    1. credo
      credo 11 November 2020 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      He will go to the Russian Federation with American turbojet engines ...

      This is bad because the Anglo-Saxons can put a fat pig on us again so that our plane doesn't take off and Boeing's sales don't drop.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 06
        0
        No, not bad. There must be a choice in both service and use. It also flies on other planes. And Aeroflot is confident that it will buy 50 aircraft, no surprises with TRD and service
        1. credo
          credo 11 November 2020 17: 13
          +4
          Quote: Zaurbek
          No, not bad. There must be a choice in both service and use. It also flies on other planes. And Aeroflot is confident that it will buy 50 aircraft, no surprises with TRD and service

          It may not be bad when the market is large and there is more than enough space for everyone, but now are not the times and examples of refusal to sell modern products to Russia have already been repeatedly demonstrated by our "partners", so there are certain concerns based on the established practice in working with them.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 14
            -1
            Sszh as an example for you ..... one trd and not ours and not widely distributed on the market. And there is no alternative.
    2. tech3030
      tech3030 12 November 2020 10: 22
      +1
      Let it go, the main thing is to start the "flywheel" of production!
  • halpat
    halpat 11 November 2020 20: 35
    0
    Quote: credo
    Quote: Borik
    Successful flights. And an early setting for serial assembly of these aircraft.

    That's good, but why export with American engines?

    This means that there will be no exports if with American engines.
    Do I get it right?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 November 2020 11: 26
      0
      One turbojet engine per comm plane is bad. Having PD14 (workable) will have a good impact on P&W as well. They will know that there is a replacement ... I think, and with the production of serial PD14, we must try more. It will take time too. Seriality -50% of difficulties and problems in a new product
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 12 November 2020 10: 04
    0
    Developed system of service centers for engines Praite ed Whitney
  • ultra
    ultra 12 November 2020 13: 40
    0
    They will go for export with those that suit the customer. It may well be PD-14.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 11 November 2020 15: 15
    10
    Finally, this product was put into test, you see, there will be a lot of sense on domestic flights. But then one negative. hi
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 15: 19
    -3
    Well. Good luck! And so that the number of take-offs equals the number of landings!
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 27
      +7
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Well. Good luck!

      however, this plane was built under Putin ..... which you water with slops in the next branch ...
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 11 November 2020 15: 29
        -12 qualifying.
        And it would be necessary that under Putin, no galoshes were glued together ??
        Only in this case can you criticize ??
        And if an airplane was built in 30 years, then everything is a super-president ??
        So, without Putin, they also built aircraft ..))
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 42
          13
          Quote: Roman070280
          So, without Putin, they also built aircraft ..))

          without Poroshenko, they also built 1-2 ANA a year ... and since 2014 they no longer build ...
          Quote: Roman070280
          Only in this case can you criticize ??

          criticism should be constructive ... but not ...
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 11 November 2020 15: 48
            -18 qualifying.
            without Poroshenko, they also built 1-2 ANA a year ... and since 2014 they no longer build ...

            AND?? It became really interesting .. "Name, sister, name!" (from)

            criticism should be constructive ... but not ...


            Oh, yes .. The dollar exchange rate, rising prices, retirement age, living standards at the level of African countries, richer oligarch friends - all this is not constructive .. (but here it will not be enough to list everything)
            Only the aircraft that were built with it are constructive ..))
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 54
              +7
              Quote: Roman070280
              living standards at the level of African countries

              prove it?
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 11 November 2020 16: 04
                -8
                You still ask the dollar rate to prove ..))

                Shl .. And these people still manage to pronounce aloud such words as "constructive" ..
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 09
                  13
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  You still ask the dollar rate to prove ..))

                  those. do you think that the standard of living of Russians is at the level of African countries, and this is so obvious that it does not require proof?
                  please specify the names of 2-3 African countries in terms of living standards comparable to the Russian Federation.
                  analysis of the standard of living I WILL DO IT YOURSELF, since you cannot answer for your words ...
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 04
              +9
              Quote: Roman070280
              Dollar rate

              what about the dollar exchange rate? What about him?
              Quote: Roman070280
              rising prices

              how should it be? ...
              Quote: Roman070280
              wealthy oligarch friends

              what kind of friends should you be? - drunks in the yard?
              ps
              you are a dreamer who believes in fairy tales ...
              it's good that you don't blame Putin for painting the sky blue, and the clouds gray ... but you wanted to be painted orange and green ...
            3. bk316
              bk316 11 November 2020 16: 05
              16
              standard of living at the level of African countries,

              Hands are itching to send you to the Central African Republic where the standard of living is 30 (THIRTY CARL !!!) times less, so that they have already begun to answer for the market. I think Russia will definitely heal better then.
        2. venik
          venik 11 November 2020 16: 46
          +7
          Quote: Roman070280
          So, without Putin, they also built planes ..

          =========
          I wonder if there is a LOT new aircraft were built from 1992 to 2000 (i.e. under E.B.N.) ??
      2. faiver
        faiver 11 November 2020 15: 34
        -16 qualifying.
        And what is not for what to water?
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 43
          +7
          Quote: faiver
          And what is not for what to water?

          there is ... everyone has something for ... but you have to be objective ... if there is something for that, then praise!
          1. faiver
            faiver 11 November 2020 15: 59
            -3
            And then they praise him a little, which channel do not turn on on TV, out of twenty public ones ...
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 31
              10
              Quote: faiver
              Otherwise they praise him a little,

              at VO they don't praise him at all ... well, except for me ...
            2. KCA
              KCA 15 November 2020 09: 08
              0
              Something you have few public channels, I have 157 channels and wired Internet is provided by one provider, it costs 400 rubles per month, in my opinion, it is quite affordable
              1. faiver
                faiver 15 November 2020 09: 13
                0
                Not everywhere it costs 400r, here it costs three times more ...
          2. Roman070280
            Roman070280 11 November 2020 16: 05
            -4
            but you have to be objective


            Well, become it already ..))
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 28
              +7
              Quote: Roman070280
              Well, become it already ..))

              I am he ... that's why I constantly snatch out cons from urapatriots and from liberda, like you ...
          3. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 16: 11
            -16 qualifying.
            And how many bolts did our zero bolt tighten in this plane? Or maybe he was drawing what? Or gave the green light to the construction program by special decrees?
            1. Lelik76
              Lelik76 11 November 2020 16: 47
              +5
              My friend, we did not draw much on this plane, it was originally designed in electronic models.
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 12 November 2020 11: 15
              -1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              And how many bolts were tightened in this plane by our zeroed? Or maybe he was drawing what? Or gave the green light to the construction program by special decrees?

              ===
              ) I will not be surprised that if he twists something there, then you rush to unscrew it right there
      3. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 16: 01
        -17 qualifying.
        This plane was built in spite of Putin's rule. Russian people. Ordinary people, who benefit from sanctions, and generally do not need a pension.
        1. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 11 November 2020 16: 07
          11
          This plane was built in spite of Putin's rule. Russian people. Simple people

          laughing Yes you are sick ........
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 16: 08
            -12 qualifying.
            At my age it is no longer possible to be just a healthy person)))
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 15
          +9
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          This plane was built in spite of Putin's rule.

          it's just a masterpiece !!!!!!
          in the next branch, Voshnik Sylvester claimed that during the years of Putin's rule he built 3 houses, raised children not thanks to, but in spite of Putin's policy ........
          IT'S JUST MASTEROVAL !!!!!!!!!!!
          evil Putin wants to take away the last crumbs from the people, and the people are against Putin building houses / building airplanes / building ships / nuclear power plants / winning medals / buying cars / giving birth to children !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          ps
          by the way, in the 90s it was believed that the Second World War was also won despite ...
        3. Lelik76
          Lelik76 11 November 2020 16: 52
          +5
          I built it and am building it if anything (engineer at the Irkutsk aircraft plant). Sanctions are not good for me, I need a pension, but I am a simple person.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 November 2020 16: 01
        -4
        Quote: NEOZ
        however, this plane was built under Putin ..... which you water with slops in the next branch ...

        For 30 years, one aircraft and that medium-haul? ... while, until today, it had not Russian engines at all. Well, the achievement is of course bombicheskoe. Now look how many new planes of different kinds were built in the USSR from OWN components during the 30-year period and weep.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 11 November 2020 16: 06
          0
          Now look how many


          The person has already looked .. and replied .. that this is not constructive and not objective ..))
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 November 2020 16: 09
            -3
            Quote: Roman070280
            The person has already looked .. and replied .. that this is not constructive and not objective ..))

            Well, it means that such a person, even on the forehead, even on the forehead ... Putin is his all .... yeah. Here, at least the GDP from the poop blinds the plane on the air, and even then, such a frame will give it out for the achievement of nanotechnology of Russian unparalleled in the world. fellow
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 17: 08
              +3
              Quote: NEXUS
              Well, it means that such a person, even on the forehead, even on the forehead ... Putin is his all .... yeah.

              by the way, I really don't see the difference between "on the forehead" and "on the forehead" ......
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 20
          +8
          Quote: NEXUS
          Now look how many new planes of different kinds were built in the USSR from OWN components during the 30-year period and cry.

          but what has Putin to do with it? Did he destroy the USSR?
          RF is 40% of industry and 50% of the population from the USSR .... what do you want from the RF?
          ps
          give an example of a country that produces: cars / planes / ships / missiles / tanks no worse than the Russian Federation with a population of less than 147 million people. is there such a country?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 11 November 2020 16: 30
            -7
            Quote: NEOZ
            but what has Putin to do with it? Did he destroy the USSR?

            I have said this more than once, the USSR de jure exists to this day. Even our Constitution, according to which we live, is a filkin letter written for us by experts from the United States.
            EBN came to power illegally, and all his subsequent elections and appointments are also all illegal. What did Yeltsin say when he resigned? Putin will continue my work.
            And Putin continues ... The Yeltsin Center was built to the glory of the Drunkard.

            Quote: NEOZ
            give an example of a country that produces: cars / planes / ships / missiles / tanks no worse than the Russian Federation with a population of less than 147 million people. is there such a country?

            I will give you an example, where the population is even smaller - England, Japan ... enough?
            They do not need to release everything, as the vassals of the Anglo-Saxons do it, but we do, because we have neither allies nor friends who would help us in this matter.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 16: 59
              +7
              Quote: NEXUS
              I have said this more than once, the USSR de jure exists to this day.

              if the deceased has a birth certificate but no death certificate about alive?
              Quote: NEXUS
              I will give you an example, where the population is even smaller - England, Japan ... enough?

              Well, what kind of aircraft do these countries produce? RF - SU30 / 34/35/57, MIG35, IL76, YAK130, SSJ-100, IL112, IL114, L410, BE200 - give analogues of the production of England and Japan ...
              Quote: NEXUS
              They do not need to release everything, as the vassals of the Anglo-Saxons do.

              ah they do not need .... well, well ..... and the vassal of the Japanese who? - The USA or what? ... The USA is a vassal of Japan ...
              well, just nonsense ...
              The United States produces the entire line of aircraft - whose vassal is the United States?
              why England and Japan do not need, but the US needs?
              Quote: NEXUS
              for we have neither allies nor friends who would help us in this matter.

              why don't you suggest looking for vassals, but instead suggest building airplanes?
              after all, no country in the world with a population of less than 149 million. man does not produce such high-tech aircraft on his own !!!!!!!!!
              if no country in the world builds, then there are OBJECTIVE reasons for this !!!!!!
              why is it so hard to understand?
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 16: 36
            -12 qualifying.
            Germany. All of the above by you.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 17: 10
              0
              Well, what kind of aircraft do these countries produce? RF - SU30 / 34/35/57, MIG35, IL76, YAK130, SSJ-100, IL112, IL114, L410, BE200 - give analogues of the production of England and Japan ...
          3. Cheerock
            Cheerock 11 November 2020 16: 37
            -3
            In fairness, there is. For example, Japan.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 11 November 2020 17: 10
              +1
              Well, what kind of aircraft do these countries produce? RF - SU30 / 34/35/57, MIG35, IL76, YAK130, SSJ-100, IL112, IL114, L410, BE200 - give analogues of the production of England and Japan ...
          4. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 11 November 2020 22: 07
            +1
            I agree with you in many ways. But here you are wrong with the numbers. The RSFSR was one and a half to two times more powerful than all the other 14 republics in terms of most indicators of industrial production, transport, and the development of science. Its share in most sectors of the USSR economy was higher than its share in the population of the Union, in many cases much higher. The RSFSR accounted for not 40%, but more than 60% of the industry of the USSR, including more than two-thirds of heavy industry, metallurgy, and mechanical engineering. In the military-industrial complex, 75-80% of production and the lion's share of R&D. Fundamental science mainly developed on the territory of the RSFSR and partly on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, the share of the rest of the union republics was incommensurably small in comparison with them. The only industry where the share of the RSFSR was in the region of 50%, and sometimes less is agriculture. In general, the share of the RSFSR in the total power of the USSR (industry, science, agriculture) was approximately 60-65%. The second most important republic of the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR, accounted for approximately 16% of the economic potential of the USSR. In the ferrous metallurgy and coal industry, the share of Ukraine was higher than its share in the population of the Union, but still the production of pig iron, steel, coal in the RSFSR was much larger, two to three times, compared to the Ukrainian USSR. Now, by the way, in the Russian Federation steel is smelted three and a half times more than in Ukraine. The only thing that, perhaps, I misunderstood and you did not have the share of the RSFSR in the industry of the USSR in sight, but the ratio of the industrial volumes of the modern RF and the USSR.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 12 November 2020 14: 46
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              The only thing that, perhaps, I misunderstood and you did not mean the share of the RSFSR in the industry of the USSR, but the ratio of the industrial volumes of the modern RF and the USSR.

              if a:
              Quote: Sergej1972
              the share of the RSFSR in the total might of the USSR (industry, science, agriculture) was approximately 60-65%.

              then with the collapse of the USSR, economic (commodity) ties also disintegrated and the synergy effect disappeared.
              well, for example:
              production of product A is concentrated in the RSFSR for 90%, and 10% in the Ukrainian SSR. if the ties are broken, it is not possible to replace 10% of the production of the Ukrainian SSR, then over time the production of 90% of the product A disappears ...
              in this regard, with the destruction of the USSR, the former RSFSR retained 65% of industrial production, but decreased to 40% of the USSR's capacity.
              I hope I conveyed it intelligibly.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 12 November 2020 16: 55
                0
                Yes, it is quite. In most of the former Soviet republics, the situation is even worse. Therefore, now the gap between the Russian Federation and the rest of the former Soviet republics is larger (in favor of the Russian Federation) compared to the gap between the RSFSR and the rest of the republics of the USSR in Soviet times.
        3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 11 November 2020 16: 24
          12
          Quote: NEXUS
          Now look how many new planes of different kinds were built in the USSR from OWN components during the 30-year period and cry.

          It reminded me of a fragment from one film: "740 gas stoves will be installed in this residential area. That is exactly 740 times more than in the whole of our city in 1913."
          The RSFSR had a well-established aviation industry, which was practically destroyed in the nineties. Almost everything had to be created from scratch. It's good that we woke up at all.
        4. Victorio
          Victorio 12 November 2020 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          For 30 years, one plane and that medium-haul?

          ===
          little of course. but over the years, China has also raised only one s919, and also with foreign components
        5. KCA
          KCA 15 November 2020 09: 11
          0
          Are all the components your own? And in the CMEA countries, absolutely nothing was bought?
      5. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 00
        -3
        Watering for the fact that it had to be done more efficiently and earlier ....... offices have created a bunch. The news about this was simultaneously published by Rostec, Irkut and OSK in the same media.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 11 November 2020 17: 14
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Watering for the fact that it had to be done more efficiently and earlier .......

          and those who watered have competence in the production and cooperation in the production of aircraft?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 24
            -2
            They may not have ..... but they may see the cut of money and the appointment of idlers (sons) to the leading managers. And know the salaries of engineers, designers and managers. Serdyukov alone is worth something. Or Rogozin ml
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 November 2020 15: 19
    -25 qualifying.
    And who will take them, operate them, fly them and where? In the absence of state carriers, airfields, inexpensive fuel and money for flights? What was done, of course, is great, but in the economy no one needs it.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 28
      +7
      Quote: evgen1221
      What they did, of course, is great, but no one needs it in the economy.

      What are your suggestions?
    2. faiver
      faiver 11 November 2020 15: 30
      12
      And who will take them, operate them, fly them, and where?
      - the same as now take Superjets ...
      They will start flying on the lines, let's see ...
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 11 November 2020 15: 20
    10
    God forbid!
    We are waiting at the airports of Russia!
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 15: 21
    +4
    Well done! Another would be to release Il 114. After all, from the region, to the region you need to fly through Moscow.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 11 November 2020 15: 44
      -2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Another would be to release Il 114.

      Moscow was not built in a day....
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 01
      0
      Sszh100 is already flying. Not via Moscow ...... azimuth
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 15: 27
    -4
    Who will explain to me clearly what is European certification, and what is the point in this certification ,,? If the plane will fly within Russia, then why does it need certification? I also understand if an aircraft is being built for a foreign customer ... or for use on international routes. From this “certification,” the ticket price will not decrease. It will not be more comfortable in the salon. Sense of wasting your nerves, money on this certification?
    1. Bomb
      Bomb 11 November 2020 15: 38
      13
      The point is that this is the most common case size. It needs to be sold and competed. In order to do this, European certification is required.
    2. krops777
      krops777 11 November 2020 15: 50
      +8
      Who will explain to me, clearly what is European certification, and what is the point of this certification?


      It washed away in the fact that Russian airlines will fly to Europe on these planes, and for this, European certification is needed and not at all for the sale of these planes, although who knows.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 15: 52
        -4
        I understand that. But if the airline orders the plane for domestic lines, then why go through certification?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 03
          -2
          The aircraft sales market is complex and primary and secondary. The Aeroflot aircraft may belong to the Irlad Bank and even after the payment does not remain in the Russian Federation and the contract will indicate that the service will be outside the Russian Federation, offshore.
      2. Asad
        Asad 11 November 2020 15: 54
        0
        Does a super jet fly to Europe? I'm not mocking, don't I know?
        1. krops777
          krops777 11 November 2020 16: 00
          +4
          Does a super jet fly to Europe? I'm not mocking, don't I know?


          The medium-haul MC-21 will be used in any case not only within Russia but also for flights to Europe.
          Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft fly up to 4 km and are designed to carry 600 passengers. Therefore, airlines use these aircraft mainly for short flights within Russia.

          Foreign flights on Sukikh are carried out in small volumes:

          Day flight Moscow - Riga (Latvia) Aeroflot airline
          Rostov-on-Don - Yerevan (Armenia) "Azimut" airline
          Rostov-on-Don - Bishkek (Kyrgyzstan) "Azimut" airline
        2. loki565
          loki565 11 November 2020 16: 03
          +3
          Does a super jet fly to Europe? I'm not mocking, don't I know?

          His zabugor was supplied, for this European certification was needed

        3. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 16: 11
          +2
          Here! Thanks for the great question.
      3. molyr
        molyr 11 November 2020 16: 01
        -1
        if I'm not mistaken, certification is needed to buy them by companies. not needed for flights
    3. Errr
      Errr 11 November 2020 16: 05
      +7
      European aircraft certification is also necessary for Russian air carriers in order to be able to fly the aforementioned aircraft on foreign flights. Without this very foreign certification, a passenger aircraft outside its native airspace will actually be outlawed.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 16: 15
        -7
        I see. But everyone is walking around the bush ... But I'm interested in a specific answer - "" if the plane is used INSIDE the country, why pay money for certification? "
        1. Errr
          Errr 11 November 2020 16: 50
          +5
          The point is that the MS-21 is not an electric train at all. smile It is not for commuter services. It is quite a serious machine, a really promising competitor to the B-737 and A320. It is unlikely that any Russian airline would take such an aircraft solely for use on domestic Russian airlines, since this greatly narrows the scope for capitalizing on this type of acquisition.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2020 15: 30
    +7
    Good news. Long-awaited. And the engine is very advanced, even the enemies admit it. And ours completely. How many countries in the world have the competence to create engines for civil aviation. High-power turbojet engines ... Only 4! And Russia is one of these four. Lapotnaya, what can you do ...
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2020 16: 39
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How many countries in the world have the competence to create engines for civil

      For the engine to be considered "for civil aviation" its serial production, hundreds must be produced. And service in all regions of the flights of these airplanes. This motor has not yet reached this level, and the screwdriver assembly of the Superjet misunderstanding has not yet reached this level.
      Let's wait and see, in short.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 11 November 2020 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: rzzz
        In order for the motor to be considered "for civil aviation" in series, it must be produced in hundreds. And service in all regions of the flights of these airplanes. This motor has not yet reached this level, and the screwdriver assembly of the Superjet misunderstanding is also

        Wrong. Bringing an engine to the test means developing it! Engine parts cannot be filed in a vise. Manufacturing technologies must BE. MS-21 are going to be produced 12 pieces per year. About 40 engines will be made ... if they don't install such a good engine somewhere else. Is it a lot or a little? After a while, there will be just a lot of them. And there PD-8 and PD-35 are on the way. And all not serial, according to your criteria ... laughing
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz 11 November 2020 17: 56
          -5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          There will be 40 pieces of engines.

          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Is it a lot or a little?

          Of course, this is extremely small. It turns out that more than a dozen or a half planes are not planned?
          The question is not even whether the engine is good or bad. I want to believe that it is good, although in vain they did not put a low-speed fan with a gearbox.
          The question is the price. 40 pieces is a piece production. The price of such a motor will be cosmic. After all, all the costs for the production of the enterprise will be divided by only 40, and not 16000 pieces, as they are divided by CFM. The price of service and spare parts is also at the level of the stars. And if the government can somehow subsidize the purchase of the aircraft itself, then the happy buyer is left alone with himself in solving problems.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 11 November 2020 19: 45
            +1
            Quote: rzzz
            16000 pieces, as divided by CFM.

            Where does this figure come from? What engine is produced in such a circulation?
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz 12 November 2020 16: 50
              +1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              What engine is produced in such a circulation

              The most massive jet engine in history is CFM56, approximately the same figure will be obtained if we sum up all the variants of this engine for more than 30 years of production.
              Plus, you can also pay attention to more than 2 thousand LEAP motors. They are not direct descendants of CFM56, but are produced by the same manufacturer, with the same marketing approaches. And these two thousand were made in about 5 years. And during these 5 years they are SOLD, each of them for good money.
              I mean, no matter what good motor you make, if they don't buy it from you for some reason (high price, poor service, trade sanctions, etc.), then all your good motor - only just a useless heap of iron. It would be better in this case it was a bad motor, it would not be so offensive, and not much money would be lost / given to steal
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 12 November 2020 17: 08
                0
                Quote: rzzz
                The most massive jet engine in history is CFM56, approximately the same figure will be obtained if we sum up all the variants of this engine for more than 30 years of production.

                16000 will be divided by 30 years - 500 pcs / year. A lot, of course. But compared to about 40 pieces. in year. Not so much. Looked at the topic with engines. Well, our position does not look bad ... it is difficult to build. It was easy to destroy.
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz 12 November 2020 19: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  it is difficult to build. It was easy to destroy.

                  That's how it is. But! Not that we have something and destroyed. With aircraft engines, we have always had a sadness.
                  What happened "with them". At a time when the world revels in reactive successes "faster-higher-further" Boeing is making its "ugly duckling", "butt" 737. It is absolutely nondescript against the background of its modern legendary devices, and only a few people understand that this is the future. Soon after the start of commercial operation, it becomes clear that JT8 motors are not suitable either in terms of efficiency, or in noise, or in resource. And those few people who knew how to make motors decided to make a new motor "for an airplane", one of the unique cases, by the way. The Americans from GE gave the engine from a supersonic bomber, sawed off the afterburner and all unnecessary from it. The French from Snecma drew a new fan according to modern standards, a turbine and a compressor. It turned out to be an excellent engine that carried the most passengers in history.
                  What we had at that time. Firstly, the trend with 737 was lost, and the lines were served by Tu-154, much less efficient and with ancient engines, because even the "new" D-30s were comparable in performance to the "ineffective" JT8. Then they tried to close the gap with the Yak-42, but they lagged behind noticeably.
                  The motors were even worse. Kuznetsov and Solovyov were arguing about whose engine is better for new aircraft, instead of working together or they should simply be pulled apart in corners. Lotarev in Ukraine was busy creating an analogue of Rolls-Royce, and he basically succeeded, but he did not close all the required power, so the Yak-42 flies with three engines instead of two and drags the flight engineer into the load.
                  In general, what am I doing this. Not that "everything was destroyed" in modern times. At the end of the USSR it was already sad, and it was this fact that determined the fact that after the collapse of the USSR, the entire aviation industry "fell down" with terrible force. Just when it turned out that planes should be sold for money, it turned out that buyers were more willing to pay for Boeing.
  • Proton
    Proton 11 November 2020 15: 32
    +6
    Here's some really good, positive news.
    And then Armenia, Azerbaijan, Dziuba ... laughing
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 11 November 2020 15: 40
      -2
      Yes, Dzyuba's everything is fine there ..))
      Six months later, over a glass of beer, with a laugh, he will remember and tell friends - but remember how I flew in then ..
      You can't compare with Armenia for sure ..
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2020 15: 50
      0
      You can see this in Dziuba's reaction to the events in Karabakh.)
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 November 2020 17: 04
      0
      At least Dziuba's health is good
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 11 November 2020 15: 43
    -2
    Great news day
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 11 November 2020 15: 46
    +1
    The MS-21 will be supplied to Russian customers with PD-14 engines in the MS-21-310 modification, and for export - with the American PW1400G power plants.
    I think if there are no blunders in service and draw conclusions from the Superjet experience, then it will go for export with our engines, there is no extra money and jobs. Let's remember the same Iran. The only question is whether there is a completely localized version, including avionics and main systems, it seems that they wrote about this and took place in the news.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 11 November 2020 15: 54
    +1
    Why, then, airlines with state participation should be too busy to buy their planes.
  • Martian
    Martian 11 November 2020 16: 00
    -7
    Will it really fly? Not even 15 years have passed. And to help the Russian aviation industry, Putin allocated 1 billion dollars of irrevocable loan ..... SYRIA !!! And this is at least 30 aircraft !!!
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 11 November 2020 16: 57
      +6
      It will fly when the first car with Pratov's engines was raised, the same there was talk that nothing good would come of it, although for our plant, which has been engaged only in combat aircraft for a long time, we managed the first experience of passenger aircraft construction.
  • Turanov
    Turanov 11 November 2020 16: 14
    -2
    Well, what no but still ours !!!! It would be time to revive the domestic civil aviation ditched immediately after the collapse of the USSR .... They knocked us on the nose with sanctions and began to move.
    In the USSR, from needles to orbital stations, they also produced Western sanctions for us, like an elephant, a mosquito bite was
  • Konnick
    Konnick 11 November 2020 16: 42
    -2
    Quote: NEXUS
    For 30 years, one aircraft and that medium-haul? ... while, until today, it had not Russian engines at all. Well, the achievement of course is bombastic. Now look how many new planes of different kinds were built in the USSR from YOUR OWN components over a 30-year period and you will cry


    This is not shown on the first channel belay
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 November 2020 16: 49
    +2
    Quote: faiver
    And what is not for what to water?

    That's your whole lot - constantly pouring slops on someone. Wonderful profession
  • bukhach
    bukhach 11 November 2020 16: 58
    +2
    Quote: bk316
    standard of living at the level of African countries,

    Hands are itching to send you to the Central African Republic where the standard of living is 30 (THIRTY CARL !!!) times less, so that they have already begun to answer for the market. I think Russia will definitely heal better then.

    I'm afraid there won't be enough hands alone, I'll have to help with my feet, otherwise you won't push the sufferer out.
  • svp67
    svp67 11 November 2020 17: 12
    +4
    the aircraft was handed over for flight tests.
    Easy passage, all tests and certifications to you ... Yak-142)))
  • Eug
    Eug 11 November 2020 17: 17
    +2
    A real achievement. High sky!
  • Suslin
    Suslin 11 November 2020 17: 24
    +1
    I wish you success and, most importantly, take your time, do what you must, and then whatever happens!
  • spectr
    spectr 11 November 2020 20: 33
    -2
    The requirements for environmental friendliness of transport are changing more and more. If it is delayed with the serialization, the project will be buried. Someone may even breathe a sigh of relief, because projects like this usually have a wagon-and-small cart abuse.