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Fatwa in a secular state. The decision of the Spiritual Directorate of Muslims of Russia on the inadmissibility of marriages of Muslims with non-Muslim women is discussed

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An ambiguous reaction from the Russian public was caused by the statement of the Spiritual Directorate of Muslims of Russia about the prohibition of marriages between Muslims and representatives of other confessions.


The Council of Ulema of the DUM RF issued a theological conclusion on the inadmissibility of marriages of Muslims with representatives of the People of the Book (this is how non-Muslims - Christians and Jews are called in Islam). Such marriages, according to the ulema, can be concluded only in exceptional cases when a girl recognizes Muhammad as the messenger of God and is ready to follow the instructions of the Koran. As we understand it, in fact, this means giving up your own religion.

Meanwhile, traditionally there was only a ban for Muslim women to marry non-Muslims. Men could marry non-Muslim women of the People of the Book, although such marriages were discouraged.

Recall that the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Russian Federation controls hundreds of religious communities in the Central, Ural, South, North-West, Volga Federal Districts. Mufti Sheikh Ravil Gainutdin is the chairman of the Russian Muslim Spiritual Administration. The Mufti's residence is located in the Moscow Cathedral Mosque. The leadership of the SAM is mainly representatives of the Tatar clergy.

The decision of the DUM RF has caused an ambiguous reaction in Russian society. Some of the representatives of the Muslim clergy supported him. For example, the press quotes the words of the mufti of Chechnya: Salakh-Khadzhi Mezhiyev said that such marriages were not allowed in order to prohibit them.

Other Islamic leaders perceived the decision of the SAM differently. Chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Asian part of Russia Nafigulla Ashirov noted that there are many spiritual administrations in Russia, and this decision is obligatory only for the followers of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims.

Mufti of Moscow Albir Krganov, representing the Spiritual Assembly of Muslims of Russia (DSMR), stressed that in modern conditions, given the multinational composition of the population of our country, it is not worth issuing such fatwas.

Rustam Nurgaleev, secretary of the Council of Ulems of the Spiritual Directorate of Muslims of Tatarstan, Rustam Nurgaleev, also disclosed his disagreement with the position of the Muslim Spiritual Board and stressed that the Muslim Spiritual Directorate of Tatarstan does not prohibit Muslims from marrying Christians and Jews.

At the same time, Islamic scholar, professor Roman Silantyev argues that three madhhab (law schools) of Sunni Islam - Hanbali, Shafiite and Maliki - forbids marriages with non-Muslim women, and the Hanafi, the most widespread in Russia, treats them more loyal.

Naturally, the statement of the Spiritual Administration of the Russian Federation could not fail to provoke a reaction from the secular public, which immediately became concerned: how is it that in a secular state, religious organizations dictate to whom and with whom to marry. In fact, you shouldn't worry about this.

Lawyer Timur Hardy in a commentary to Voennoy Obozreniye stressed that the position of the SAM refers to believers who respect Muslims and concerns marriages concluded according to the norms of Islam.

Of course, we are not talking about secular marriages registered with the civil registry offices. Indeed, according to Russian legislation, adult and capable citizens of the Russian Federation decide for themselves with whom and how they enter into a marriage union. It's another matter that religious beliefs impose certain obligations on a person, but this is a completely different plane than secular legal relations,

- emphasized the lawyer.

Thus, the decision of the DUM RF refers to "true believers" who want to marry according to the canons of Islam. Moreover, it is obligatory only for those Muslims who belong to the parishioners of the SAM RF. After all, it is worth taking into account the existing differences in the traditions and values ​​of different peoples professing Islam.

A stricter attitude towards the issue of concluding an interfaith marriage has always been inherent in the Muslims of the North Caucasus, while the Muslim peoples of the Volga region are more loyal in this matter, as evidenced by the large number of mixed marriages in the region and beyond.

In any case, a religious organization can issue any instructions for its followers, unless they contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation. Moreover, nothing prevents a follower of the Russian Muslim Spiritual Directorate from entering into a secular marriage with a non-Muslim woman and registering it with the civil registry authorities, only to perform a marriage ceremony according to the canons of Islam, with the involvement of a clergyman, in this case will be impossible.
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  1. Varyag71
    Varyag71 11 November 2020 12: 10
    68
    Do they want to consider the ban on having intimate relationships with non-Muslim women?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 November 2020 12: 17
      59
      Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 11 November 2020 12: 22
        +4
        Alexey hi We have a Secular State (Constitution of the Russian Federation, Art 14). The decision is advisory, there is no responsibility for its violation and will never be. Actually, this was the case before, not only among Muslims but also among Christians.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 November 2020 12: 27
          19
          Alexey hi,
          you explain it to "blissful". Earlier, it was, and lice were gnawed off each other.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 11 November 2020 12: 32
            +6
            Lesha, I am respectful of all confessions. I do not observe aggressive christianization and homuslimism! How does this decision affect you personally? Decided to get a second wife? laughing Or, somewhere, the fires of the Inquisition are burning and according to the laws of Sharia, hands and heads are chopped off? In Russia - Definitely not!
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 11 November 2020 13: 44
              22
              Lesch
              "Down and Out trouble started". (C) Always. Religious "figures" climb wherever they can and where they cannot. Without asking, and without having any moral or professional rights to do so.

              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 11 November 2020 14: 19
                +4
                What's so surprising? There are more and more Muslims in the country. Their birth rate is several times higher than the death rate. In a Muslim family, children are an investment in the future, so there are many of them. There are mosques in every major Russian city, but not one.
                So the hour is not far off when there will be more Muslims than Christians ...
                And they have their own laws. Islam is more than just a religion ...
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 11 November 2020 21: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  What's so surprising? There are more and more Muslims in the country. Their birth rate is several times higher than the death rate. In a Muslim family, children are an investment in the future, so there are many of them.

                  I completely agree here.
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  So the hour is not so far when there will be more Muslims than Christians.

                  It is quite possible, with one amendment, there are much fewer Christians who really believe in Russia who call themselves Christians, but have nothing to do with them in reality. Being baptized and wearing a cross does not mean that he is a Christian. Accordingly, a holy place is never empty. And the empty niche will be filled by others. By the way, Orthodox Christians were forbidden to enter into marriages with non-believers, but who remembers this?
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  And they have their own laws

                  By itself.
                2. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 12 November 2020 08: 58
                  +1
                  For Tatars and Bashkirs, the birth rate is not particularly high. And there are much more of them than the Muslims of the North Caucasus.
            2. Hypertension
              Hypertension 11 November 2020 13: 45
              32
              Quote: Hunter 2
              How does this decision affect you personally?

              This affects me personally. Personally, I am a non-Muslim, "unobtrusively" and in the form of a "recommendation" is presented as a second-class person. All this movement will not bring anything good. Today they "recommend" not to enter the barracks, tomorrow they will "advise" to create a Sharia patrol, the day after tomorrow - a tax for non-Muslims ... And any concession is perceived as weakness and motivation for further expansion.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 35
                -8
                Quote: Hyperion
                Quote: Hunter 2
                How does this decision affect you personally?

                This affects me personally. Personally, I am a non-Muslim, "unobtrusively" and in the form of a "recommendation" is presented as a second-class person. All this movement will not bring anything good. Today they "recommend" not to enter the barracks, tomorrow they will "advise" to create a Sharia patrol, the day after tomorrow - a tax for non-Muslims ... And any concession is perceived as weakness and motivation for further expansion.

                Jazyu you will pay only in one case - legalization and victory in the elections of IS laughing
              2. astepanov
                astepanov 11 November 2020 17: 36
                13
                Quote: Hyperion
                tomorrow - "advise" to create a Sharia patrol,

                Ha, there are already patrols. Some "Orthodox activists" are wandering around, there is also such an organization - "Forty forties". They try to prohibit concerts, performances, decide what to wear and what is not, cases of massacre and litigation have been noted ... We are moving towards obscurantism faster than economic prosperity.
                1. frruc
                  frruc 14 November 2020 17: 58
                  0
                  This is where they roam? These "activists" have not yet rolled their jaws on their side?
                  1. astepanov
                    astepanov 14 November 2020 21: 25
                    0
                    Quote: frruc
                    This is where they roam?

                    Open a search engine, type "Orthodox activists" - and you will find it. It’s not difficult.
            3. astepanov
              astepanov 11 November 2020 17: 26
              +6
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Lesha, I am respectful of all confessions. I do not observe aggressive christianization and homuslimism!

              Yes, yes, "" Atheists are sick. They are animals. They need to be treated "
              This is Yuri Pavlovich Vyazemsky, head of the Department of World Literature and Culture at MGIMO. Honored Worker of Culture of the Russian Federation. The brother of the actress Evgenia Simonova, the son of academician P.V. Simonov. Don't you consider this "aggressive Christianization"? I can cite a multitude of examples of the active involvement of confessions in the affairs of the state, and the same active support of religious communities by the state - with colossal monetary infusions. So don't wishful thinking.
        2. And
          And 11 November 2020 12: 31
          24
          Well, not so secular, considering that faith in God is enshrined in the same Constitution.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 11 November 2020 14: 11
            -4
            Quote: And
            Well, not so secular, considering that faith in God is enshrined in the same Constitution.

            So how is it secured? Did you read? And if you read it, you probably did not understand wassat
          2. Errr
            Errr 11 November 2020 15: 10
            +2
            Quote: And
            ... belief in God is enshrined in the same Constitution.
            Well, if you are talking about clause 2 of article 67.1 of the new Constitution of the Russian Federation, namely:
            Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of ancestors who passed on to us ideals and faith in God, as well as the continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity.
            so I will remind you of a really brilliant Pushkin:
            About how many wonderful discoveries
            Prepare the spirit of enlightenment
            And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
            And genius, the paradoxes friend
            And case, god inventor.
            There is no religiosity in this understanding of God, and indeed it cannot be. Read the Constitution thoughtfully and do not sow the unreasonable, unkind and impermanent. hi
            1. And
              And 11 November 2020 16: 01
              +5
              Good afternoon. Let's compare then: in the Constitution, God is mentioned / written with a capital letter - this means that this is a proper name, and in the poem by Alexander Sergeevich you mentioned "chance" is God, already a common name and really has nothing to do with faith and religion. hi
              1. Errr
                Errr 11 November 2020 16: 34
                +3
                Personally, I believe that a proper name in the material world can have an object exclusively material... If anyone shows me the real the image of the mythological original creator (which is unlikely), then I am ready to immediately believe in his existence. smile And the big "B" in the word god, which is present in the new text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, is, in my opinion, just the author's thoughtlessness of the subject he describes, tk. in the philosophical (original) sense, "God" is nothing more than just a "benefactor" ("doing good"). hi
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 17: 25
              +4
              Quote: Herrr
              preserving the memory of ancestors who passed on to us ideals and faith in God

              Exactly the same oxymoron as saying "by the will of God we have a secular state."
              1. Errr
                Errr 11 November 2020 17: 35
                0
                Quote: the latest version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
                preserving the memory of ancestors who passed on to us ideals and faith in God
                Oxymoron in this turnover is not visible at all.
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 12: 34
          19
          Quote: Hunter 2
          We have a Secular State (Constitution of the Russian Federation).

          They often began to forget about it.
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The decision is advisory, there is no responsibility for its violation and will never be.

          Even thinking about such "decisions" undermines the basis of statehood. We have a lot of confessional state, if it goes on like this, then we will live up to the Crusades, and we will live to see the Gazavat.
        4. 72jora72
          72jora72 11 November 2020 13: 16
          +9
          Alexey hi We have a Secular State (Constitution of the Russian Federation, Art.14). The decision is advisory, there is no responsibility for its violation and will never be. Actually, this was the case before, not only among Muslims but also among Christians.
          I have a huge number of friends and acquaintances who are married to Muslims and married to Muslim women. Not any problems, especially this concerns the Tatars, who have a peculiar and very secular Islam.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 11 November 2020 13: 48
            +8
            Quote: 72jora72
            No problems, especially for the Tatars

            Tatars and Bashkirs are a special case. Although radicalization occurs there too.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: Hyperion
              Quote: 72jora72
              No problems, especially for the Tatars

              Tatars and Bashkirs are a special case. Although radicalization occurs there too.

              Azerbaijanis are also secular
              1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Kote Pan Kokhanka 12 November 2020 10: 45
                +3
                Yeah, especially when vodka is hacked!
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 11 November 2020 18: 20
            +3
            Quote: 72jora72
            I have a huge number of friends and acquaintances who are married to Muslims and married to Muslim women. Not any problems, especially this concerns the Tatars, who have a peculiar and very secular Islam.

            ===
            while it may not, or not enough. but deal does not stand still. how many Kadyrs are in power, in their twenties, and there is already a kind of semi-secular society, or not entirely secular. in Syria, for obvious reasons, more radically and more rapidly, women in hijabs are already all over the place.
        5. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 11 November 2020 14: 46
          +5
          Quote: Hunter 2
          We have a Secular State (Constitution of the Russian Federation, Art 14).

          The only problem is that our authorities have hammered the constitution long ago. In the absence of state ideology, they themselves began to poke religion wherever possible. And where it is impossible, too. Everything else is just a consequence. The ROC is strenuously spilling its plot, its doom. And the authorities ... And the authorities in every way condone this radicalization.
        6. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 25
          +2
          Quote: Hunter 2
          Alexey hi We have a Secular State (Constitution of the Russian Federation, Art 14). The decision is advisory, there is no responsibility for its violation and will never be. Actually, this was the case before, not only among Muslims but also among Christians.

          Quite right. Moreover, if an Orthodox godmother or godmother converted, say, to Catholicism, the child must be baptized. But this applies only to people in the church, deeply religious.
        7. frruc
          frruc 14 November 2020 17: 52
          -1
          And not a word about marriages of non-Muslims with Muslim women.
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 November 2020 12: 29
        +8
        Alexey hi
        Quote: lexus
        Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

        Our priests started it, read a textbook on Orthodox culture, or on singing. They even managed to remake the song "Where the Motherland Begins".
        1. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 12: 45
          12
          I almost vomited, God forgive me ... sad
          1. Alexander Kopychev
            Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 18: 57
            +2
            If we mention Vera in songs about the Motherland, since it is spelled out in the Constitution, then something like that.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 38
          +3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          They managed to remake "Where does the Motherland begin".

          Where does the homeland begin?
          With the shmon in your luggage
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 11 November 2020 12: 44
        15
        Quote: lexus
        Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

        The laying of "mines" for the Russian Federation begins. Then they will begin to "sing" about their own oppression and the need to create a separate state unit ?!
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 11 November 2020 13: 06
        16
        Quote: lexus
        Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

        The Russian Orthodox Church also has such a rule .. But the fact that this is sheer obscurantism is unambiguous ..
        The two largest religions are stuck in the Stone Age ..
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 November 2020 13: 40
          +9
          Vladimir hi,
          they hammer the people there, while, themselves, without refusing
          the benefits of civilization. And along with other joys of worldly life.

          1. Svarog
            Svarog 11 November 2020 13: 47
            +3
            Quote: lexus
            they hammer the people there, while, themselves, without refusing
            the benefits of civilization. And along with other joys of worldly life.

            Especially the video touched, where the patriarch called to support the pension scam .. though it was promptly removed from YouTube ..
            The Patriarch is clearly not an ascetic ..
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 39
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: lexus
          Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

          The Russian Orthodox Church also has such a rule .. But the fact that this is sheer obscurantism is unambiguous ..
          The two largest religions are stuck in the Stone Age ..

          Three - in Judaism must / must accept conversion
      5. Catfish
        Catfish 11 November 2020 13: 50
        +5
        Lyosh, hello! Ryzhov's article about the "atrocities" of the sultans has disappeared somewhere in my history. How are you there?
        And on this topic, I completely agree with you, we have a secular state and obscurantists should be immediately pressed to the nail.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 November 2020 14: 28
          +4
          Kostya, hello! hi
          Valery's article is in place. Opens normally.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 11 November 2020 14: 29
            +2
            It also opened for me, just now, and so, two hours disappeared from nowhere. smile
      6. Joker62
        Joker62 12 November 2020 01: 49
        +2
        I would add with the words of Ilyich: "How much is opium for the people?"
      7. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 12 November 2020 10: 57
        0
        Quote: lexus
        Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

        I am always happy to read your comments. And now I cannot but agree with you. But ... Put your hand on your heart and tell me that you don't care who your daughter or granddaughter will marry.
        I care. If their chosen one is Ukrainian or Belarusian, it will not embarrass me at all. But if it is a Muslim, then I will be a categorical opponent and will do everything to prevent the marriage from taking place. Call me obscurantist, Nazi whatever you want. But I want Slavic blood to flow in my grandchildren, great-grandchildren. I want to.
    2. Koval Sergey
      Koval Sergey 11 November 2020 12: 33
      16
      Conclusion: Previously, only Russian peasants could not have a Muslim wife. A Muslim could have whoever he wanted. Now Muslim men have been banned from having a wife of another denomination. In general, this is true.
      1. Alexander Kopychev
        Alexander Kopychev 11 November 2020 13: 07
        +8
        In the "holy 90s" a Chechen family lived in our small town, they rolled their felt boots. Salman, as I remember now, had a lonely girlfriend of my wife in his lovers and invited us to visit ... We sit, drink, the Chechen did not drink, but chewed his crap. His wife served - a slave - a slave ... I got drunk, I began to ask direct questions, it’s not good, they say, somehow ... You sit with your mistress and feast, but what about your wife? To which he answered me directly and replied that he was not at home and there was no sin. And about carnal pleasures - it's even easier. I washed and cleaned in the bath ... I was clean before my wife and before God. These are the "righteous" they are.
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 11 November 2020 15: 07
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Kopychev
          I washed and cleaned in the bath ...

          Exactly, exactly! In our school, not a single Muslim would refuse lard, they said that if the boss said, then it is necessary to do it, he takes the sin upon himself.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 11 November 2020 13: 33
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Koval
        Conclusion: Previously, only Russian peasants could not have a Muslim wife. A Muslim could have whoever he wanted. Now Muslim men have been banned from having a wife of another denomination. In general, this is true.

        The conclusion here is different, confessions are fighting for the flock .. because money is ..
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 12 November 2020 14: 36
          +1
          Quote: Svarog

          The conclusion here is different, confessions are fighting for the flock .. because money is ..

          No. The point is different. They want to raise their status (their importance). After all, the more they can prohibit, the higher their importance in society, the higher their status. Money = the number of parishioners, does not increase in connection with this decision.
      3. frruc
        frruc 14 November 2020 18: 13
        -1
        Some of my friends are Orthodox and have Muslim wives. There are also Tatars, Bashkirs and even Kyrgyz women.
    3. Civil
      Civil 11 November 2020 12: 34
      13
      1. Islam does not recognize the existence of an intermediary between a Muslim and Allah. Therefore, all these self-appointed old people of Hotabych are not priests.
      2. When something Dziuba, then these bearded men are brought to the front lines of the media, you must first check your pockets and double-check the list of taxes that have been introduced recently. This is not casual.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 11 November 2020 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        ... Islam does not recognize the existence of an intermediary between a Muslim and Allah. Therefore, all these self-appointed old people of Hotabych are not priests.

        Jesus was against not only temples, but also the worship of boards (icons), was against polytheism (the notorious indistinct trinity), was against reverence and worship of the authorities. And he was also against many things that the Greeks and Romans from Mark, Matthew, Ivan and Luke later brought into the notorious Gospels. Modern priests, both Catholic and Orthodox, have little respect for them, as well as the Great Hebrew Bible. They are based on the letters of the Roman Paul (it will be more correct to say: the 5th Gospel of Paul). There, the inclusions I have mentioned so pleasing to the rulers appear. Thus, modern Christianity is a pagan religion based on the pomp of the cults of the Greco-Roman religion.

        All because of the bubble ..
    4. PROXOR
      PROXOR 12 November 2020 09: 52
      0
      Will this stop them? A friend in Dagestan went to his father, mother is Moldovan. They should not drink alcohol. And nothing, secretly use)))
    5. the Saint
      the Saint 12 November 2020 10: 28
      0
      The mullah does not limit the number of Orthodox concubines.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 November 2020 12: 10
    +7
    Hmm ... They wonder, sometimes, priests are worse than some ...
    Vaughn, in Poland the priests decided to ban abortion. What happened? Now they are trying to turn on the back.
    And what kind of a true believer is he who decides to marry another woman ?!
    1. anjey
      anjey 11 November 2020 12: 19
      13
      Love is evil, it happens and religion is not a decree laughing
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 11 November 2020 15: 42
        +6
        Quote: anjey
        Love is evil, it happens and religion is not a decree laughing

        Yes ... said Krasnodar and wept bitterly
        1. Gato
          Gato 11 November 2020 19: 39
          +4
          and wept bitterly

          ..and shed a tear (C). Come on, let Krasnodar go over to Mohammedanism - three loves are better than one. One will fade - two more will remain laughingParis is still worth mass.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 11 November 2020 19: 51
            +4
            I have a lot of one wife laughing
            1. Gato
              Gato 11 November 2020 19: 53
              +3
              That's just it. Three will be just right - they will deal with showdowns among themselves and leave you alone. drinks
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 November 2020 20: 06
                +6
                Then they will come to a consensus that I am to blame for everything - the Jews are always to blame crying drinks
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 11 November 2020 21: 05
              +6
              Hi Albert, it's better not to try! laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 November 2020 22: 14
                +4
                Hello, Sergey hi I do not argue ))
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2020 12: 19
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Sometimes, priests are worse than some ...

      don’t weird
      according to the logic of citizens "priests" after such a time to invite to the Lubyanka
  3. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 11 November 2020 12: 12
    +2
    Well, okay, in general, as they say, "From Ryabinka - Oranges will not be born." The Russian Orthodox Church will not marry interfaith unions either! To each his own!
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 November 2020 12: 19
      +1
      there is no prohibition on such a marriage. you can get married even if one of the spouses is not Orthodox. there is a nuance with the fact that children from this marriage must then be brought up in the Orthodox faith. but it's more for tradition. he himself was married and asked all this and passed it personally.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2020 12: 20
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The Russian Orthodox Church will not marry interfaith unions either! To each his own!

      ROC even horses, albeit speaking, crowns and "brothels" illuminates
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 11 November 2020 12: 59
        -2
        These will marry anyone you want for a coin
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 11 November 2020 18: 47
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        ROC even horses, albeit speaking, crowns and "brothels" illuminates

        Specify what it is about
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2020 20: 27
          +3
          Quote: Flood
          Specify what it is about

          1. Flooding
            Flooding 11 November 2020 21: 09
            0
            I guessed about the talking horse, but the question about brothels remained.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 November 2020 21: 20
              +1
              joke in the net, by the way, if you haven't noticed brothels in quotes



              1. Flooding
                Flooding 12 November 2020 09: 17
                0
                What prevented you, instead of quoting allegories, from calling everything by its proper names?
                Otherwise, you can write anything. About talking elephants and crocodiles, about prisons and torture in quotes.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2020 15: 09
                  +1
                  ehtim if you pay then the brothel will light up
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 12 November 2020 17: 58
                    -2
                    Are these people from another planet? The same as everyone else.
                    And there are many worthy people among the priests.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 November 2020 20: 36
                      0
                      these people TEACH us how to live
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 12 November 2020 21: 52
                        0
                        And teachers teach your children to live.
                        And in a compulsory manner.
                        Unlike the priests, to whom no one drags you by force.
                        The same teachers who are on the sidelines.
                        Which were noted more than once in indecent situations.
                        So what? Demolishing schools?
  4. Toha from KZ
    Toha from KZ 11 November 2020 12: 21
    +6
    Here is not at all a believer, but I wonder if the Orthodox Church, of which there are the majority, would have endured such an opus? The stench would be mom do not cry. And what about Kurban ayty and other holidays? Yes, I respect different denominations, but when they don't go further, the slaughter of sheep, srach after the festivities is the norm? Does this remain for Easter or Christmas?
  5. Avior
    Avior 11 November 2020 12: 22
    +7
    ... as so, in a secular state, religious organizations dictate to whom and with whom to marry. In fact, you shouldn't worry about this.

    The author is either not aware of the problem, or is a hypocrite.
    This problem has always existed, even in Soviet times, when the level of religiosity was lower than now.
    And the Muslims of the Volga region, it was very sharp, many destinies were broken because of this.
    Muslim relatives, as a rule, exert strong psychological pressure on young people, who in themselves can be irreligious, unlike relatives, if there is a question of marriage with a non-Muslim.
    They refuse their own children and grandchildren (they do not recognize, as they say), pressure in other ways, and not only psychologically.
    Is that recently it has become a little freer. But young people live in a society where everyone is mixed, study at the same universities as others, work together, and if they fall in love with each other, then the probability that a guy or a girl from a Muslim family will face strong pressure from relatives, in that the number of the closest is very high.
    I know absurd cases when a mother, who was categorically forbidden to marry a non-Muslim, having found her “her own”, does the same thing 20 years later with regard to her own daughter. And from childhood they prepare for this. Yes, now the severity of this problem has diminished, but it cannot be said that it has disappeared completely, sometimes it has intensified even more. sad
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 11 November 2020 12: 58
      21
      The author is either not aware of the problem, or is a hypocrite.
      Recently, most of the authors of the site consider it bad form to understand the issue that they have undertaken to write about.
      The significance of Islam as a source of socio-political identification and self-identification for ethnic Tatars, Bashkirs, Chechens, Avars and many other groups of the Russian population is very high, especially since Islam is not only a religious, but also a secular social system.
      Even in today's Russia, where during the Soviet era a policy of secularization and atheistic propaganda was pursued for decades, almost half of the population of Muslim regions (the Volga region, the North Caucasus), to be more precise, 42%, would like to see Sharia norms as official legislation.
      in your country or region of residence.
      Taking this into account, as well as taking into account the modern radicalization of Islam, such fatwas are by no means a harmless fact, but a real factor of confrontation in a multinational and multi-confessional country, especially taking into account the clan-clan relations of the same Caucasus.
      Such "lawmaking" by the state, if it is, of course, capable, must strictly control. Otherwise, the burqa will become familiar on the streets of Russian cities, and jokes over Europe about Muslim dominance will acquire a tragic connotation.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 12 November 2020 11: 34
      0
      Quote: Avior
      marrying a non-Muslim, finding her “her own”, does the same 20 years later with regard to his own daughter.

      Because I understood the correctness of this position.

      Quote: Avior
      Yes, now the severity of this problem has diminished, but it cannot be said that it has disappeared completely, sometimes it has intensified even more.

      You call this a problem.
      Here, stupid, not to say harsher, a girl marries a "Caucasian" and he takes her to him. And this is where her problems begin, but for some reason you are not talking about them. Why? Disagrees with the official point of view - "Fatwa in a secular state." - badly?
      Believe me, there are more personal tragedies in mixed marriages than in prohibitions on mixed marriages.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 November 2020 11: 52
        +1
        I wrote about a completely different problem, an article about another.
        Muslims are categorically against her marrying a Russian, or he married.
        This does not lead to any tragedies.
        And I know what I'm writing about.
  6. loser
    loser 11 November 2020 12: 23
    -6
    There are so many here that fall under the IMPLIED BAN. that I'm sure it brings teeth.
  7. Konnick
    Konnick 11 November 2020 12: 25
    +8
    God is love and religion is evil.
    1. Gato
      Gato 11 November 2020 19: 51
      +4
      God is love and religion is evil

      Love is an electrochemical process in the human brain, just like God, good, evil and the content of our comments. sad
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 12 November 2020 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Konnick
      God is love and religion is evil.

      Parents are love and family is evil.
      The country is love, and the state is evil.
      This can be continued indefinitely.
      Because a meaningless set of letters.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 12 November 2020 20: 07
        0
        "God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. Beloved! let us love one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. Apostle John the Theologian "
        And you thought that I came up with something.
        Clergymen in different denominations seek to intimidate believers with prohibitions with an appropriate punishment for violations, they themselves are very far from God's commandments, they divided their faith in God into many sects, warring among themselves. It was they who invented executions for deviating from the canons invented by them, it is they who in the name of God make the peoples fight ... And you ... a senseless set of letters. By the way, I'm an atheist, but I believe in love.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 12 November 2020 20: 20
          0
          I thought, but somewhat different.
          These are:
          if you support one part of your thesis with a weighty quote, then it is very unremarkable to base the second part of the same thesis on your own conjectures.
          Quote: Konnick
          By the way, I'm an atheist, but I believe in love.

          This is what I thought about first. A believer would not write such words.
          You don't even notice the fundamental contradiction in your conclusions. As an atheist, do you tell others who God is? Aren't you funny yourself?
          You, an atheist, build your own formula for the divine, in which you do not believe, while quoting the words of a disciple of Christ? It's time to cry here.

          So yes, a meaningless set of letters.
  8. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 November 2020 12: 34
    +2
    In the 21st century, everyone decides for himself whom to love and whom to marry. Whoever likes to obey various rules - good health, here's another +1 brick to "pure karma". Others have lived and will continue to live.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 November 2020 12: 42
      +9
      It's all so simple until you personally face pressure and obstruction from all close relatives.
      And the fact that you personally are not religious will not help you much.
      In fact, this ban is aimed not so much at young people, but at the older generation, parents and other grandmothers and grandfathers, and they will bring it to young people ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 11 November 2020 13: 05
        +1
        Personally, my opinion is that life is one, and if a relative or religion or state or someone else lies across your path, you need to treat this as a conscious obstacle, and nothing else.
        Good is what helps us, bad is what interferes. This is a simple principle, according to which it is quite effective to separate "necessary" and "unnecessary", "important and not important".
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 November 2020 14: 25
          +1
          Surely part of it does
          And the part is very difficult to endure the pressure of relatives, who, in general, treat well.
          And it is not so easy to cut off all ties with relatives who love you.
  9. t-12
    t-12 11 November 2020 12: 35
    +1
    The ban on interfaith marriages proposed by the Spiritual Council of Muslims (SAM) of Russia could be applied in Orthodoxy. Archpriest Andrei Tkachev expressed his interest in this idea in a conversation with Gazeta.Ru.
    He noted that in the past, Orthodox Christians could not marry people of other faiths.
  10. Rumblings
    Rumblings 11 November 2020 12: 35
    -5
    Understand correctly, but I will never marry a Kyrgyz Muslim woman, he is an Orthodox himself naturally.
    P.S. they are the largest diaspora in our city, followed by Armenians, Uzbeks and Tajiks.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 11 November 2020 13: 03
      +3
      And who will give her to you in marriage !? request
      1. Rumblings
        Rumblings 11 November 2020 13: 06
        +1
        Several times they themselves were offered, then, probably, according to their customs, kalym rodaks, oh well, that.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 11 November 2020 13: 32
      +4
      Understand correctly, but I will never marry a Kyrgyz Muslim woman, he is an Orthodox himself naturally.
      I understand that you also have a problem with non-Muslim women ...
      PiSi. My colleague at work for the last 15-20 years has been "turned" on the topic of Russian blood, Orthodoxy, and nationalism, and turned hard. A couple of years ago, being on another vacation (and he was already 55 years old), he brought from there a woman, a Kazakh woman with a child (14 years old). And now three years have passed, they signed, she gave birth to his child a couple of months ago. So, love immediately "straightened the roof".
  11. Woodman
    Woodman 11 November 2020 12: 35
    +6
    The Council of Ulema of the DUM RF issued a theological conclusion on the inadmissibility of marriages of Muslims with representatives of the People of the Book (this is how non-Muslims - Christians and Jews are called in Islam).
    So in and in Orthodoxy they do not get married if one of the spouses is not baptized.
    the position of the SAM refers to believers, observing Muslims and concerns marriages concluded according to the norms of Islam.
    Actually about that and speech. Why make a noise?
    PS I'm Orthodox, if what ...
  12. awdrgy
    awdrgy 11 November 2020 12: 36
    +3
    - "taking into account the multinational composition of the population of our country" - This is not about nationality but about the cultural field If the culture of peoples is different, there are no kinship ties, but quantitatively and qualitatively they are approximately equal (or approaching equality), then the question of their division into different states is only a question time And during all this time in the country there will be a certain tension between representatives of different cultures
    1. boni592807
      boni592807 11 November 2020 16: 58
      +1
      awdrgy, Today, 12:36 p.m., NEW - "... If the culture of peoples is different, there are no family ties, but quantitatively and qualitatively they are approximately equal (or approaching equality), then the question of their division into different states is only a matter of time ..."

      Delightful conclusion, but like RI. Not to refer to 1917, that's another story.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 12 November 2020 00: 53
        0
        Like RI? Please indicate in what my conclusion is not true for the Republic of Ingushetia and you are right; there is no need to refer to 1917 And then I will try to oppose you
  13. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 12: 40
    +4
    In any case, a religious organization can issue any instructions for its followers, unless they contradict the legislation of the Russian Federation.
    ... This is understandable. What is not forbidden is allowed. And how will then develop what is not forbidden? Which way? It all starts with little things. A simple example. As soon as the article in the Criminal Code about sodomy was canceled, gay clubs immediately appeared.
  14. Klingon
    Klingon 11 November 2020 12: 40
    +4
    Quote: lexus
    Ethno-confessional obscurantism is the most dangerous threat to statehood.

    in general, religion should be banned again, as it was in the USSR - no opium, no drug addicts wassat
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 November 2020 12: 57
      +9
      Quote: Klingon
      no opium, no drug addicts

    2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Andrey Krasnoyarsky 12 November 2020 13: 34
      0
      In fact, in the USSR, religion was not prohibited, with the exception of sects recognized as fanatical or anti-Soviet. Even in the Constitution of the USSR, the right of a citizen to freedom of conscience was recorded, which includes the ability to believe in God. Another thing is that believers often experienced pressure from party leaders and official propaganda, but belief in God and the performance of religious rites were still not prohibited by law.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 12 November 2020 18: 03
        0
        but now the clergy, unlike the example, are free to issue all sorts of delusional prohibitions, such as prohibitions on performances and disruptions of concerts of popular rock and metal bands. You see, they don't like the lyrics and album covers. For M. Menson, the concert was disrupted by the church robes, as well as the concert of Cannibal Corpse, Behemoth, Batjushka and many others, for which I would have demolished a couple of churches if I were a dozer and would have planted forests in their place - the air would be cleaner and the brains of people am
  15. pereselenec
    pereselenec 11 November 2020 12: 46
    +5
    Those. now, noble Muslim gentlemen will be able to take "Natasha" only as concubines, but not as official wives?
  16. Egor53
    Egor53 11 November 2020 12: 51
    +1
    If people take their religion seriously, then there can be no interfaith marriages. And if not seriously, then religious restrictions do not play a role.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 11 November 2020 12: 56
      +3
      You are right, but such prohibitions seem to be for those who relate to religion in two ways (because double standards are in vogue now) during the day - seriously, at night - not serious bully
  17. 72jora72
    72jora72 11 November 2020 13: 12
    +5
    The Mufti's residence is located in the Moscow Cathedral Mosque.
    Maybe it's time to move citizen Ravil Gainutdin from the capital somewhere to less comfortable apartments ...
  18. sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 November 2020 13: 13
    +5
    He was not married. We have been living for 30 years. Two children. Someone banned the registry offices?
    1. Ragnarok
      Ragnarok 11 November 2020 22: 26
      +1
      The Muslim part of our population is completely free from worshiping the pitiful pieces of secular law.
  19. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 11 November 2020 13: 21
    +1
    Generally speaking, Russia is a secular state. This means that a citizen marries only of his own choice, without asking permission from the clergy. Even if this citizen is a believer. So the decision of the council of ulema has no legal force and is unconstitutional.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 11 November 2020 14: 11
      +1
      Generally speaking, Russia is a secular state.
      Do not forget to add: "by the grace of God" .. in accordance with the amendment about God .. laughing
  20. Doctor
    Doctor 11 November 2020 13: 32
    +3
    Everything is for the best in this best of worlds.
    Indeed, it is high time to decide who is with us and who is not.
  21. iouris
    iouris 11 November 2020 13: 41
    +2
    Pryuvet from Erdogan.
  22. BAI
    BAI 11 November 2020 13: 49
    +5
    The Council of Ulema of the DUM RF issued a theological conclusion on the inadmissibility of marriages of Muslims with representatives of the People of the Book (this is how non-Muslims - Christians and Jews are called in Islam). Such marriages, according to the ulema, can be concluded only in exceptional cases when a girl recognizes Muhammad as the messenger of God and is ready to follow the instructions of the Koran. As we understand it, in fact, this means giving up your own religion.

    But what about marriages for obtaining registration and citizenship of the Russian Federation? Will guest workers refuse?
  23. Anyuta Glorious
    Anyuta Glorious 11 November 2020 15: 44
    +2
    I read the comments and the feeling is that some atheists have gathered
    1. Platypus
      Platypus 11 November 2020 16: 15
      +4
      Rather, secular citizens of a secular state.
    2. Rumblings
      Rumblings 11 November 2020 17: 33
      +1
      Orthodox? Do we follow all the requirements?
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 11 November 2020 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: Anyuta Slavnaya
      I read the comments and the feeling is that some atheists have gathered

      In any case, consider themselves as such))
      I think there are many varieties.
      And yes, on this forum there is an overwhelming majority.
      Every near-religious article here collects similar comments.
    4. Varyag71
      Varyag71 12 November 2020 13: 37
      +1
      What kind of feeling is this? Share.
  24. boni592807
    boni592807 11 November 2020 16: 51
    -2
    A question for the fighters for secularism and SHVABOD (WHAT words, faith or something rainbow?)!
    Are you a believer? What religion are you? You are Muslim?
    Why orem, especially if you are not one of the above?!.
    What, the Charlie-Hebdo Lavras are not allowed to sleep?

    Well accepted in the Council of Ulema of the DUM RF theological conclusion on the inadmissibility of marriages of Muslims with representatives of the People of the Book (as in Islam they call non-Muslims - Christians and Jews).
    So what, this is THEIR solution. Muslims will decide for themselves, to accept THIS is a note or perform HIS when choosing a wife.
    NPB RF for registration and marriage in the Russian Federation NOBODY broke! The secularity of the Russian Federation is not violated !!! And here your op, this "secularity" violates. What's behind the trees, the forest is invisible ?!
    With difficultiesbut at least I understand WOMANAs she will come (I am not a Muslim, but I feel like a second class man). belay What happened, DEAR, you are deprived of attention and you wanted to fight for the right to become the N-th wife? What is the problem - learn the doctrine and you will be happy ... see the text of the article - "...Such marriages, according to the ulema, can only be concluded in exceptional cases when a girl recognizes Muhammad as the messenger of God and is ready to follow the instructions of the Koran. As we understand it, this actually means giving up your own religion ... "
    The fighters "rode" at the same time in other confessions. Normally - "... whatever I take, I take a bite ..." Can remember and not forget, not dashing - "God-God, Caesar-Caesar ..."! hi
    1. Platypus
      Platypus 11 November 2020 23: 39
      +2
      Religion divides people. Such statements are unacceptable in a secular state. Not so long ago, Christian brothers assiduously slaughtered each other. What can we say about Islam and Christianity. Now they are tearing the country up along this line, when they break it, some Pomors, Vyatichi, Krivichi will appear with their true spiritual teachings. They will also be forbidden to rub shoulders with foreigners. And you will still say, this is their own business ... It is strange that you do not see where all this can lead (or do not want to see).
  25. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 11 November 2020 18: 11
    +1
    Islam's war against Russia never ended. This is one of the steps in the advancement of orthodox Islam. Russian girls, don't mess with the Gentiles !!!
    1. Ragnarok
      Ragnarok 11 November 2020 22: 39
      +1
      Islam is a powerful faith, and most importantly, still weakly eroded under the influence of consumerist paganism. We are artificially bred in different trenches.
    2. Varyag71
      Varyag71 12 November 2020 13: 41
      +1
      No normal guy will ever get in touch with such.
  26. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 11 November 2020 19: 04
    +3
    Any religion is evil.
  27. Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 11 November 2020 19: 10
    +1
    In a secular state, the clergy should behave more modestly. But when the Patriarch sits in the front row during the President's Address to the Federal Assembly, you doubt the secularity of the state.
  28. Klingon
    Klingon 11 November 2020 22: 03
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: Klingon
    no opium, no drug addicts


    oh check it out! straight into the topic! drinks
  29. igorra
    igorra 11 November 2020 23: 07
    +2
    A couple of black Muslims and let them marry this Gainutdin several times in turn.
  30. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 November 2020 13: 13
    0
    Yes, let them do what they want. Each patient decides for himself whether or not to participate in any sect.
  31. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 12 November 2020 18: 00
    -1
    Extremism, inciting interethnic hatred and actions aimed at violating the integrity of the Russian Federation. By stage.