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In Norway: Russians accuse us of destroying good neighborliness

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In Norway: Russians accuse us of destroying good neighborliness

Norway spoiled good neighborly relations with Russia by allowing US nuclear submarines to enter the port of Tønsnes in Tromsø. The Norwegian edition Aftenposten writes about it.


The Russian embassy in Oslo accused Norway of lack of cooperation and spoiled good neighborly relations. The reason for this was the desire of the Norwegian Ministry of Defense to make a civilian pier in Grötsund, 15 kilometers north of the center of Tromsø, as an anchorage for American submarines.

Norway has taken the role of a NATO outpost on the border with our country with initiative, without any reason or threat from Russia. We fix the growing militarization of Norway, systematic anti-Russian exercises, the transfer to an almost permanent basis of the presence of large foreign contingents on Norwegian territory, contrary to the traditional "basic policy"

- the embassy said.

In turn, the municipality of Tromsø denies the desire for the presence of American military boats in its port, calling it a government decision. According to local politicians, the country's Defense Department "gave a clear signal" to assist the Americans. The Norwegians themselves want to live in peace with their northern neighbor, noting that "the Russians accuse Norway of destroying the good-neighborliness for the sake of NATO interests."

Relations are not very good now, and such statements only underline this. The Russians are hinting that they believe Norwegian security policy is defined outside the country. They question the independence of Norway and its ability to formulate its own policies

- said the head of the Russian program of the Institute for Defense Studies Ingerid Opdal.

As previously reported, the position of the municipal authorities of Tromsø is the opinion of the inhabitants of the northern territories of Norway, who do not want to spoil relations with Russia, who oppose the use of their territories in the conflict between the two powers. In addition, the Norwegians are afraid of emergency situations on the American nuclear submarines. At the same time, the position of the Norwegian military reflects the interests of the United States. The Ministry of Defense is calling for compliance with its obligations to allies.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 November 2020 09: 42
    +7
    As previously reported, the position of the municipal authorities of Tromsø is the opinion of the inhabitants of the northern territories of Norway, who do not want to spoil relations with Russia.

    And who will ask the opinion of the people when the entire government of this small country has long been under the control of the Anglo-Saxons. More precisely, since the beginning of the Second World War.
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 11 November 2020 18: 11
      +2
      I completely agree! NOTHING out of the ordinary, everything went according to plan. Norway is a NATO member. And the State Department and NATO are naturally implementing the "Ring of the Anaconda" plan, placing NATO bases closer and closer to the borders of Russia. Americans traditionally spit on the opinion of Aboriginal people anywhere (in Japan, in the Middle East, in Norway). The locals are just hostages of their vassal politicians
  2. Invoce
    Invoce 11 November 2020 09: 44
    +9
    In the late 80s, Norway warned NATO about the inadmissibility of cruise missiles flying through its territory in the event of a military conflict with the USSR !!!
    It was a purely neutral country. Now graduates of Amerov universities have come to power in many countries with the prospect of obtaining US citizenship ... Hence the dancing with a tambourine
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 11 November 2020 09: 58
      +4
      Quote: Invoce
      Now graduates of Amerov universities have come to power in many countries with the prospect of obtaining US citizenship ... Hence the dancing with a tambourine

      Americans invest a lot of money in brain processing. A bunch of large funds from which grow less. Grants, sponsoring democracy, etc.
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 November 2020 11: 43
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      Quote: Invoce
      Now graduates of Amerov universities have come to power in many countries, with the prospect of obtaining US citizenship ...

      everything is like ours ...
  3. andr327
    andr327 11 November 2020 09: 46
    +1
    And so they write to us textbooks on democracy: .... Democracy is "power of the people" in translation from Greek. True, in Greece, the people were understood as personally free citizens of the policy, having a dwelling in the policy ...
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 11 November 2020 09: 54
      +1
      There are two types of democracy: - "democracy for the people" and "people's democracy". Which one do you prefer?
      1. Koval Sergey
        Koval Sergey 11 November 2020 10: 24
        15
        In general, this is juggling with words. And as played by the United States, democracy often turns into genocide.
  4. sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 November 2020 09: 51
    +7
    What a violation of good neighborliness? It's okay. It's just that you are the target now.
  5. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 11 November 2020 09: 52
    +5
    I looked at the map. From Murmansk to Tromsø in a straight line 560 km. I hope our strategists have calculated this moment and entered the appropriate coordinates.
  6. tagil
    tagil 11 November 2020 09: 53
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    And who else in Europe besides Serbia observes their declared neutrality? I somehow cannot remember such a country. So Norway is not the exception but the rule. As I suppose, in the event of war, Europe simply will not exist. There is no one to liberate there, and during the Second World War there was no one to liberate. This time it is necessary to destroy everyone, so that next time there would be no one to come to us.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 11 November 2020 11: 47
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      Quote: Tagil
      And who else in Europe besides Serbia observes their declared neutrality? I somehow cannot remember such a country.

      maybe Monaco or Nauru ... what
      1. tagil
        tagil 11 November 2020 11: 51
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        Well, you have forgotten Switzerland. Neutral, but the entire population, polls of draft age, has army weapons on hand, as in Israel. And yes, they have nothing to do with it.
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 11 November 2020 11: 49
      +5
      Quote: Tagil
      And who else in Europe besides Serbia observes their declared neutrality?

      Norway has been a NATO member since 1949. So, there can be no question of any neutrality.

      On the other hand, allowing oneself to be voluntarily occupied by strategic components from the United States is another matter. Now, the Americans will not leave there so easily.
      1. tagil
        tagil 11 November 2020 11: 55
        +2
        Well, have the Americans ever asked the "proud" Europeans for permission to enter their house? They will leave when it is not profitable for them to be there, and again they will not ask the Europeans for their opinion. It's okay, it's so democratic.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 11 November 2020 13: 04
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          Quote: Tagil
          Well, have the Americans ever asked the "proud" Europeans for permission to enter their house?

          hi How many military bases have you seen, for example, in France? Not everyone needs to be cut with the same brush. Norway, until now, has been quite "neutral", so to speak about a founding member of NATO, in relation to the USSR and further to Russia. Yes, Russian sailors remember and know Marjata well. Like a splinter constantly sticking out somewhere nearby. But with the Premier League - this is a different calico.
          1. tagil
            tagil 11 November 2020 15: 48
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            How many bases are there in Switzerland? Let's separate flies from cutlets. De Gaulle left NATO, but France continued to take part in the work of the political structures of the alliance, for example, in the NATO Council, and since 1995 - in military operations, without participating in their planning (that is, doing what she was ordered to). And in the event of France's participation in the war against Russia, Russia will not be directly or indirectly investigating its "good intentions". Finland has proclaimed neutrality, but it participates in NATO exercises on its territory, even a Jewish IDF was noted there. In which case Russia will understand (in 1940, German troops were stationed there, of course, to defend its independence)? To proclaim neutrality is one thing, its observance is another.
            1. Kurare
              Kurare 11 November 2020 16: 12
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              Quote: Tagil
              How many bases are there in Switzerland?

              Let's leave Switzerland alone. It is neither in NATO, nor even in Europe.
              Quote: Tagil
              And in the event of France's participation in the war against Russia, Russia will not be directly or indirectly investigating its "good intentions".

              Times are changing, Sarkozy once again brought France into NATO. But this does not mean that American bases have appeared there. I can assume that they will not appear as you wrote, "again they will not ask the Europeans for their opinion."
              Quote: Tagil
              Finland has proclaimed neutrality, but it participates in NATO exercises on its territory, even a Jewish IDF was noted there.

              It is their own business with whom and where to conduct the exercise. Russia also conducts exercises with India and China, etc. However, there is no military alliance.
              1. tagil
                tagil 11 November 2020 17: 58
                +1
                I can assume that if the Americans needed a base in France, they would have it there. Like, another question, but they had. But they are now moving bases to eastern Europe. The base in France is irrelevant. During the Second World War, Sweden was said to be neutral, but supplied the ore to Germany regularly.
                It is their own business with whom and where to conduct the exercise.
                Times change as you said. Conduct exercises with our enemies, be prepared to be on the target list to strike. And when you, together with everyone else, start shouting that Russia is threatening you and the whole world and conducting exercises, then you can shove your neutrality into one place.
                1. Kurare
                  Kurare 12 November 2020 09: 57
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                  Quote: Tagil
                  I can assume that if the Americans needed a base in France, they would have it there.

                  As well as you, I can assume that the French would not have allowed this. They did not have and will not have foreign bases on their territory.
                  Quote: Tagil
                  During the Second World War, Sweden was said to be neutral, but supplied the ore to Germany regularly.

                  Nothing personal, just business (s). Germany regularly paid, Sweden regularly supplied BEFORE and DURING the war, fulfilling the signed contracts.
                  Quote: Tagil
                  ... if you conduct teachings, then you can shove your neutrality into one place.

                  Russia is conducting exercises with both Pakistan and India. And nothing. This does not prevent her from adhering to neutrality with regard to the conflict between the two countries.
                  But there is one BUT. If the exercise is conducted for the purpose of "containment", i.e. actually against any country, then I agree with you - neutrality is over here.
                  1. tagil
                    tagil 12 November 2020 14: 33
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                    As well as you, I can assume that the French would not have allowed this. They did not have and will not have foreign bases on their territory.
                    That is, if the Americans hint at sanctions against France the same as for Russia, France will still refuse? I don’t know, I don’t know.
                    Nothing personal, just business (s). Germany regularly paid, Sweden regularly supplied BEFORE and DURING the war, fulfilling the signed contracts.
                    Oooh you don't know much about Swedish neutrality. "On June 18, 1940, the Swedish government gave its consent to the possibility of transit of German troops through the country's territory. As a result, trains with German soldiers and goods began to move across Swedish territory. On September 13, 1940, the Swedish merchant fleet received German permission to freely enter the strait, connecting the North and Baltic Seas. The German navy accompanied Swedish ships through minefields. The interaction between Sweden and Nazi Germany was not limited to economic ties. The so-called volunteer battalion, which took the German side ( Svenska frivilligbataljonen). The Swedish armed formation Svenska frivilligbataljonen began to take shape in a real force operating as part of the Nazi coalition troops immediately after the German attack on the USSR. The Swedish "volunteers" were trained on Finnish territory - in Turku. "In general, on Swedish neutrality." that you can write a whole article.
                    Russia is conducting exercises with both Pakistan and India. And nothing. This does not prevent her from adhering to neutrality with regard to the conflict between the two countries.
                    Well, here and below you yourself said everything.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2020 10: 02
    0
    They question the independence of Norway and its ability to formulate its own policies
    Isn't that so? Although what can be expected from NATO member countries, even if the residents of these countries do not want. During the Cold War, Norway was the base of American nuclear submarines - they survived nothing.
  8. prior
    prior 11 November 2020 10: 04
    +2
    For clarity:
    Norway, as a NATO member, in the event of a military conflict with Russia, is subject to destruction, however, like other NATO members.
    Hello good neighbor ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 11 November 2020 21: 24
      0
      Quote: prior
      Norway, as a NATO member, in the event of a military conflict with Russia, is subject to destruction,

      Colleague, you should not confuse the military targets on the territory with the country, especially with the population. yes
      But the fact that the Sivulfs are planning to be based on Troms, so this will lead to the fact that the fiord will be mined and covered with vigorous mallets. So he will die in a mink, without even going out to hunt.
  9. loser
    loser 11 November 2020 10: 05
    -2
    News from the category of get-together. At the level of representative offices, they will figure it out. Yes, and in general, on the drum at the opinion of some leader. And who will listen to the residents of the municipal center if the CHO wants NATO or RUSSIA ...
  10. Dwarfking
    Dwarfking 11 November 2020 10: 07
    +1
    I wonder where Russia is Norway's northern neighbor? Okay, east, but not north for sure
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 11 November 2020 10: 19
      0

      DwarfKing (Paul)
      Today, 10: 07
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      I wonder where Russia is Norway's northern neighbor? Okay, east, but not north for sure
      Something like this.
      The Russian-Norwegian border was established on May 14, 1826 [1] between the Russian Empire and the Kingdom of Norway (at that time in a union with Sweden), putting an end to long border disputes between the Scandinavian countries and Russia over the right to possess the Kola Peninsula. This is the northernmost land border of Russia, all of it runs north of the Arctic Circle.
      1. Dwarfking
        Dwarfking 11 November 2020 13: 16
        +1
        The fact that it is Russia's northernmost border does not in any way make Russia a northern neighbor. Russia in the south has the longest border with China, if I'm not mistaken. From this we do not become for China southern neighbor. You just need to look at the map occasionally
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 November 2020 10: 24
    +3
    The Norwegian government is looking for enemies in the wrong place. Remember a month ago there was a fire near Hamerfest at a gas liquefaction plant. The capacity of the plant is 9 million tons of LNG. So it is out of order for a year. The reason: a fire in a turbine for liquefaction of gas. I only know they are reliable at 201 And now the drum roll: a turbine manufactured by General Electric. Coincidence? I don't think so !! Many thanks, probably from our gas workers. Novatek put the LNG transshipment at oKildin in time. So welcome to the queue. hi drinks good
  12. jaroff
    jaroff 11 November 2020 10: 54
    +1
    How can Russia be a so-called “northern neighbor” for Norway? Eastern only
  13. zwlad
    zwlad 11 November 2020 11: 18
    +1
    For such actions, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation must officially declare the inclusion of the relevant cities in the list of priority targets in the event of a global conflict. And let the "partners" then think bluff or not.
  14. starley
    starley 11 November 2020 16: 06
    0
    Several years ago Marina Kovtun, then Governor of Murmansk,
    photographed with AKM in hands - northern territories of Norway
    stood on their ears. Now they decided to act out their fear of that time.
  15. Glagol1
    Glagol1 11 November 2020 21: 23
    0
    Norway's super agents and super friends of the states. The support of the Norwegian population against Russia is 70 percent. I was in Norway in 2010, even before the Crimea and everything else, and so I did not notice a friendly attitude at all. Either hostile or neutral. They hardly remember the fact that the Red Army liberated eastern Norway from the Nazis.
  16. meandr51
    meandr51 12 November 2020 11: 49
    0
    Nafig are such allies, because of whom nothing will be left of the country ...
  17. zontov79
    zontov79 13 November 2020 04: 49
    0
    Well, they blamed everything right!
  18. Calm
    Calm 13 November 2020 10: 55
    -1
    Already surrounded on all sides, but all about the same. Who in general considers our country by and large ?! not counting African tribes, etc., etc. Would have done better silently than they said. Shooting articles for bribes, kickbacks, etc., etc. will help to start
  19. Klingon
    Klingon 14 November 2020 20: 19
    0
    Quote: Invoce
    In the late 80s, Norway warned NATO about the inadmissibility of cruise missiles flying through its territory in the event of a military conflict with the USSR !!!
    It was a purely neutral country. Now graduates of Amerov universities have come to power in many countries with the prospect of obtaining US citizenship ... Hence the dancing with a tambourine

    where did you get this from? nafig surrendered to the Norgs with their high standard of living (one of the highest in Europe) and excellent social security, citizenship of the country with a complete absence of any social guarantees ??
  20. avdkrd
    avdkrd 17 November 2020 14: 28
    0
    It is strange to observe the reaction of the local population of countries where the ASPH is stationing advanced offensive weapons. Norway also surprised (Tromsø municipality) with an adequate response. It is clear that NATO functionaries and politicians for the most part are simply concerned about increasing funding, but should there be an understanding of what awaits these countries in the event of a real conflict? Romania and Poland have already signed up with missile defense as an unconditional target for nuclear strikes, but why should Norway be so substituted? These are not beggars Romanians, ready to sell everything and everyone for a couple of bucks, and not Poles with their inferiority complexes. What will happen to Norway in the event of a conflict? An object such as a submarine base will be the primary target, and precisely for nuclear weapons, and nuclear submarines will not protect in any way, they are for attack.