Competition for Elon Musk from Roscosmos: the creation of an engine for a reusable launch vehicle has begun

The Isaev Design Bureau for Chemical Engineering, which is part of the Roscosmos state corporation, has begun creating an engine for the Krylo-SV reusable launch vehicle. On November 2, the laboratory of the Advanced Research Foundation began work on its development.

About it RIA News reported in the press service of the state corporation "Roscosmos".

The new engine, which is based on cryogenic components, will be used in an experimental flight demonstrator of reusable cruise missile units. After launching the rocket, the block will return to the launch site.

In April of this year, the head of the Roscosmos state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask. The difference is that after the launch, the Americans catch the stages of their rocket in the ocean using an offshore platform, and the block Russian-made will return to the cosmodrome on the wings with the help of an aircraft engine. The engine under development may be named "Whirlwind".

The first full-fledged launch of the demonstrator is planned for 2023, after which work can begin on the creation of the Krylo-SV rocket itself. It will be three times larger than the prototype. Its length will be six meters and its diameter is 80 centimeters.

Comments

[Civil]

Not even funny, again another promise to start a new project. Bring at least one previous promised project to space.

[vagrant]

What space. In the gland to see.

[astepanov]

The engine under development may be named "Whirlwind".

Quote: brodyaga

In the gland to see.

Ha, I had this kind of engine back in the seventies. Outboard motor "Whirlwind". I can sell Rogozin for 5 thousand rubles, of course. Let it fly!

[military_cat]

In April of this year, the head of the Roscosmos state corporation Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask. The difference is that after the launch, the Americans catch the stages of their Russian-made will return to the cosmodrome on the wings with the help of an aircraft engine.

And Amur-LNG has no difference in the landing method, but it will also be more efficient than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask, according to Rogozin, of course.

[Max otto]

Logically, what does Falcon need? Fuel supply + landing rods and a certain barge in the sea, of which there are ready-made, they do not need to be built from scratch. And what about Amur-LNG? In addition to the same fuel for landing, there is also an aircraft engine + wing + wing mechanization + landing gear. And who will have a cheaper landing? Amur-LNG is an economically disastrous project.

[military_cat]

"Amur-LNG" and "Krylo-SV" are different projects, "Amur-LNG" is a Falcon 9 circled in pencil, only on methane.

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Quote: astepanov

Quote: brodyaga

In the gland to see.

Ha, I had this kind of engine back in the seventies. Outboard motor "Whirlwind". I can sell Rogozin for 5 thousand rubles, of course. Let it fly!

It is useful for a fan of outboard motors to find out that in KBHM them. Isaev developed the C5.86.1000-0 engine running on fuel vapor: liquid oxygen - liquefied natural gas, made according to the afterburning scheme of the reducing generator gas. Two copies of this engine were made and tested with positive results.

so they have experience in creating methane engines.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

so they have experience in creating methane engines.

Firstly, judging by the amount of rust on the engine shown in the photo, no one needed it for 26 years and in figs - but if everything is so good, then why does it all start with a demo with an unknown end date? Trusting Rogozin in the timing is not respecting yourself, he has never done anything on time.
Secondly, I was somewhat confused by the name of the engine - "Whirlwind", which evokes associations with a boat motor. I just wrote about this. What offended you so? Are you worried about "Doctor of Technical Sciences" Rogozin?
Thirdly, the whistle described in the article will start only after 23 years. When will they finish? By the middle of the century? And who needs it, with a mass of fuel in the region of three tons? What will be displayed on it with a deliberately negligible carrying capacity? Of these three tons, some will be on the wing, on the aircraft engine, on the landing gear, and the rest on fuel ... God grant that there will be enough leftovers for Mr. Rogozin. Although, it is unlikely that it will fit into a diameter of 80 cm - it’s too big for the government grub.

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Quote: astepanov

First, judging by the amount of rust on the engine shown in the photo

This is a technological sample after successful piercing and flaw detection.

Quote: astepanov

but if everything is so good, then why does it all start with a demo with an unknown end date?

The engine is being created for an ultra-light rocket technology demonstrator. The end dates only you apparently do not know ... The launch of the assembled demonstrator is scheduled for 2023.

Quote: astepanov

Trusting Rogozin in the timing is not respecting yourself, he has never done anything on time.

Do you think that Rogozin makes engines with his own hands?

Quote: astepanov

Secondly, I was somewhat confused by the name of the engine - "Whirlwind", which evokes associations with a boat motor. I just wrote about this. What offended you so? Are you worried about "Doctor of Technical Sciences" Rogozin?

No, he just explained to you that Rogozin does not make engines with his own hands.

Quote: astepanov

And who needs it, with a mass of fuel in the region of three tons? What will be displayed on it with a deliberately negligible carrying capacity?

What to display is generally very simple , for example, the other day the private Russian company Sputniks, which produces spacecraft of the 1U, 3U and 6U cubesat class, presented its new development - the small spacecraft Zorky:

Weight - 10,5 kg;
Purpose - Earth remote sensing;
Main camera resolution - up to 6,6 meters per pixel. The camera is equipped with a thermal stabilization and focusing system, as well as a built-in memory device, which allows shooting on demand, without being bound to receiving stations.

In March next year, several such devices will already be launched into orbit. And there can be a lot of them ... A reusable ultralight cruise missile is just for the operational replenishment of such an orbital group.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

The end date only you apparently do not know. The launch of the assembled demonstrator is scheduled for 2023.

And what, someone needs a demonstrator? Development of a full-fledged product will begin (if it does) only after 23 years. And it will last for years. During this time, competitors who are already far ahead will become out of reach.

Quote: slipped

Rogozin does not make engines with his own hands.

Aha, again the slaves are to blame. Or maybe their leader is no good? Is he writing another fake dissertation instead of a case?

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Quote: astepanov

And what, someone needs a demonstrator? Development of a full-fledged product will begin (if it does) only after 23 years. And it will last for years. During this time, competitors who are already far ahead will become out of reach.

Cool. Do you think that we now have nothing to launch small spacecraft? Today, small spacecraft are launched in clusters as a passing load on the medium Soyuz-2.1b and light Soyuz-2.1v at a cost of less than $ 10 per kg.

Moreover, we are resuming the conversion program to launch an ICBM with the help of retiring military ICBMs. Starting per kg, which is even cheaper. For example, the cost of bringing a kg of payload to the "Start-1" launch vehicle was less than $ 8 even in zero days.

Quote: astepanov

Aha, again the slaves are to blame. Or maybe their leader is no good? Is he writing another fake dissertation instead of a case?

You are carrying a blizzard, dear. and based on incorrect premises.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

You are carrying a blizzard, dear. and based on incorrect premises

Do you have emoticons as the only argument? Maybe you know in what field of technology Rogozin was noted? Do you have any idea how many years of work it takes to prepare a doctoral work in engineering? Why are you defending this chatterbox? Or do you work in his office?

Quote: slipped

For example, the cost of bringing a kg of payload to the "Start-1" launch vehicle was less than $ 8 even in zero days.

And the cost of withdrawal to Falkcon-9 ST in 2019 was $ 2800 / kg. And the market for carriage in space by Russia is rapidly losing - especially in connection with the withdrawal from production of "Protons" and accidents on them in recent years. Tell us about how rapidly our transportation is developing, how queues line up for the Angara missiles. I know what you will write: it is not Rogozin who builds rockets. Then what are we talking about?

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Quote: astepanov

Do you have emoticons as the only argument? Maybe you know in what field of technology Rogozin was noted?

He is the general director of Roscosmos, did you know about that? And the Republic of Kazakhstan is an organization responsible for the creation and launch of civil spacecraft, and for the creation of the latest ICBMs. Do you have any complaints about the creation of new Russian ICBMs?

"Three more regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces will be rearmed with the Yars-S mobile missile system until 2021," Colonel Alexander Prokopenkov, commander of the 35th missile division, said on Friday as part of the Single Day of Acceptance of Military Products. https://ria.ru/20191018/1559936579.html

Quote: astepanov

Or do you work in his office?

No, in the office of Putin himself. What are you funny.

Quote: astepanov

And the cost of withdrawal to Falkcon-9 ST in 2019 was $ 2800 / kg.

And we launch SIMBA, a satellite of the Rome University of Sapienza, for free. Are you measuring with pipis here?

The cost of PN depends on the weight, orbit and speed (meaning the launch waiting time) of the spacecraft launch.

Quote: astepanov

And Russia is rapidly losing the market for carts in space

Oh, well, don't repeat these mantras of illiterate masqueraders. This year, on December 17, we launch the next cluster of OneWeb satellites from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

and two more launches of Soyuz-2 missiles under the Soyuz from Kuru program by Arianspace with payload on November 29 and December 28.

Quote: astepanov

how queues line up for the Angara missiles.

The Angara rocket has been contracted for five launches, including a commercial one with a South Korean satellite. It is still undergoing flight tests and several launches must be completed before being offered for sale for its launch services.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

He is the general director of Roscosmos, did you know about that?

And Beria was in charge of the nuclear project. But he did not write dissertations. And by the way, the degree of Doctor of Technical Sciences. Rogozin got it before he became the head of Roscosmos. Didn't you know about this?

Quote: slipped

Do you have any complaints about the creation of new Russian ICBMs?

And where is the article about the creation of ICBMs? Do you bother to show?

Quote: slipped

PN cost depends on weight, orbit and speed

Thank you enlightened. But prices are quoted everywhere per kilogram and, as a rule, for launching on NGOs. So everything that I said earlier remains in force.

Quote: slipped

Oh, well, don't repeat these mantras of illiterate masqueraders.

And you do not carry a blizzard. Search the Web for specific data on the number of commercial launches. Russia sank in all positions. And according to scientific programs, Roskosmos has completely disappeared.

Quote: slipped

She is still undergoing flight tests.

Yeah. And the start of mass production is scheduled for 24 years - and it is not a fact that it will start. But you are already singing praises. "Sing, swallow, sing ..."

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Quote: astepanov

And Beria was in charge of the nuclear project. But he did not write dissertations. And by the way, the degree of Doctor of Technical Sciences. Rogozin got it before he became the head of Roscosmos. Didn't you know about this?

I don’t understand, you dispute this, or what?

Quote: astepanov

And where is the article about the creation of ICBMs? Do you bother to show?

If you have nothing to say to this, do not juggle. We are discussing either "Roskosmos" or an article. If the article, then it says that KBHM them. Isaeva started developing an engine for the Wing-SV project and I showed you by example that they have the necessary competencies in the subject. What is not clear to you?

Quote: astepanov

Thank you enlightened. But prices are quoted everywhere per kilogram and, as a rule, for launching on NGOs. So everything that I said earlier remains in force.

What is NVC? LEO maybe? We are launching to the SSO, and in one launch into three different orbits with different inclination. And the prices there are also different per kg. By the way, the Glavkosmos website has a convenient price calculator for customers.

Quote: astepanov

And you do not carry a blizzard. Search the Web for specific data on the number of commercial launches. Russia sank in all positions.

Good. Let's take a look at the full year 2019. Purely commercial launches:

21.02.2019 - Egyptsat-A
28.02.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX - OneWeb
04.04.2019/3/XNUMX - OXNUMXb
30.05.2019/601/XNUMX - Yamal-XNUMX
09.10.2019 - Eutelsat-5WB and MEV-1
18.12.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX - Cosmo-SG, Cheops

Quote: astepanov

And according to scientific programs, Roskosmos has completely disappeared.

Let's go back to 2019, the ISS, by the way, is also considered a scientific laboratory in our country, we have two research modules there.

14.02.2019/12/XNUMX - Soyuz MS-XNUMX
04.04.2019 - Progress MS-14
13.07.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX - Spectr-RG
31.07.2019 - Progress MS-15
25.09.2019/15/XNUMX - Soyuz MS-XNUMX
06.12.2019 - Progress MS-16

Well, even every little thing on the university scientific programs, mainly the study of space weather.

Quote: astepanov

Yeah. And the start of mass production is scheduled for 24 years - and it is not a fact that it will start.

For the 2023rd year. The tanks for the sixth heavy have already been released.

[astepanov]

They went down to outright nonsense. All of these missions, except for Spektr-RG, are not scientific, two of them are cargo delivery (air, grub, etc., and the last one was postponed for 20 years).
In 2020, China completed 29 successful launches, the USA - 26, Russia - 12. Will you argue with this? And talk about leadership in space? You are tired of me with your chatter.

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Quote: astepanov

They went down to outright nonsense. All of these missions, except for Spektr-RG, are not scientific, two of them are cargo delivery (air, grub, etc., and the last one was postponed for 20 years).

To begin with, your illiteracy is amazing. Unions and Progress, apart from the cargoes necessary to maintain the coolant, the stations also deliver scientific equipment. The list of scientific space experiments carried out on the ISS RS is officially published on the website of Roscosmos and TsNNIMash.

What have you postponed to 2020? if the dates of the past launches are given there.

Quote: astepanov

In 2020, China completed 29 successful launches, the USA - 26, Russia - 12. Will you argue with this?

I won't. And what does this tell you? This tells me that we have a lot of programs this year was tied to Europe - eight OneWeb launches were to take place (they managed to do two in February and March), one launch of ExoMars 2020 and three launches from Kuru, when the Europeans closed their space program for six months, and only now they are unfrozen - I told you the next launch above - on November 29.

Quote: astepanov

And talk about leadership in space? I'm tired of you with your chatter.

When you have nothing to say, it always happens.

[astepanov]

And again you are cheating. There is not a word about specific scientific experiments on the ISS on the TsNIIMash website. On the Rooskosmos website there is still the same talking shop: "Until 2023, there will be ...", Until 2025, it is assumed ... "You give links to resources that you do not even look at. The same balabol, like Rogozin.
And the delivery of instruments to the ISS does not yet mean the implementation of scientific programs: by the way, not only and not so much ours fly to the ISS. There are more often those who send devices into deep space: to Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, Saturn, comets, asteroids ... For all the years we have only had a bright one that Radioastron and Spektr-RG. Will you argue with this too?

Quote: slipped

I told you the next launch above - November 29th.

So what? The Chinese do not plan to sit with the Americans until the end of the year either. So the alignment of the number of launches will be the same: in front of the Chinese and the Americans, in the rearguard - Roscosmos.
Tell us another sweet fairy tale. You do it funny. And more emoticons. To disguise the chatter.

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Quote: astepanov

And again you are cheating. On the TsNIIMash website there is not a word about specific scientific experiments on the ISS.

An attempt to refute my posts usually always leads to sad results for the pothead.

Don't know how to search? https://tsniimash.ru/science/science-experiments-onboard-the-is-rs/cnts/experiments/

Quote: astepanov

On the Rooskosmos website there is still the same talking shop: "Until 2023 there will be ...", Until 2025, it is supposed ... "

You provide links to resources that you don't even browse. The same balabol as Rogozin.

I don't have to teach you how to use the Internet. Here is a list of experiments by the Soyuz MS-17 crew https://www.roscosmos.ru/29249/#%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B - section "Experiments planned for implementation during the flight". You will find the rest yourself.

Quote: astepanov

And the delivery of instruments to the ISS does not mean the fulfillment of scientific programs: by the way, not only and not so much ours fly to the ISS.

Cool. Well it is necessary to get to the point that ours do not fly into space , well, I'll give you a photo, here's who's there now, if you don't know:

Quote: astepanov

There are more often those who send devices into deep space: to Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, Saturn, comets, asteroids ... For all the years we have only had a bright one that Radioastron and Spektr-RG. Will you argue with this too?

"Spectra" is a series of breakthrough astrophysical instruments that have no analogues in the world for a long time to come. In terms of interplanetary research, we have a program to find water on the Moon and life on Mars, which is being successfully implemented. From what has already been covered, with the help of domestic instruments, a map of the location of water ice on the Moon has been compiled and the sounding of the Mars atmosphere is being carried out on an ongoing basis. And in a year it is planned from the surface. Data are sent to the centers of the Far Space Communication every day.

Quote: astepanov

So what? The Chinese do not plan to sit with the Americans until the end of the year either. So the alignment of the number of launches will be the same: in front of the Chinese and the Americans, in the rearguard - Roscosmos.

I don’t understand if we have a launch race with the Chinese or the Americans? What we have ready this year and we can launch it, we will launch it. Let's check and run. We'll start the rest next. Or do you wish us the same accidents as were this year due to the rush between the Chinese and the Americans?

Quote: astepanov

Tell us another sweet fairy tale. You do it funny. And more emoticons. To disguise the chatter.

So far, only you are doing crap here, and I am giving you the facts. Which, by the way, you are not the only one who has not refuted

Somehow I am more and more convinced that I am talking to an illiterate schoolboy from a nearby ruin with a masked brain.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

Well it is necessary to get to the point that ours do not fly into space

Well, where did I write this? You are also a slanderer.

Quote: slipped

From what has already been covered, with the help of domestic instruments, a map of the location of water ice on the Moon has been compiled and the sounding of the Mars atmosphere is being carried out on an ongoing basis.

You know what, I have about a dozen American devices, but hardly any of the Americans will dare to claim the results obtained. Neither the Moon, nor Mars, nor on Mars have our spacecraft, and it is not planned in the near future. There are separate devices installed on American vehicles and operating in accordance with American and European programs. And don't cast your shadow over the fence.
As for boorish statements like "pan-head", you can attribute them to your own account. You are a cheap troll.
By the way, your links are not working. Adieu, girl.

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Quote: astepanov

Well, where did I write this?

And "not so much ours." Just ours, in recent years, they only drove everyone. And only this year, for the first time in many years, the Americans themselves flew.

Quote: astepanov

You know what, I have about a dozen American devices, but hardly any of the Americans would dare to claim the results obtained.

Where do you have it? Inject already.

Quote: astepanov

Neither the Moon, nor Mars, nor on Mars have our spacecraft, and it is not planned in the near future.

Horror. All this time, the IKI RAN contacted the Holy Spirit and received data.
Are you out of your mind? Deny the obvious. It must be such a saucepan.

First. Here is a completely Russian official map of the south polar region of the Moon according to the LEND instrument from 2009 to 2018. from the Department of Nuclear Planetology, IKI RAS:

The color shows the variations in the water mass fraction (WEH), which corresponds to the observed amount of hydrogen in the soil.

Second. Here is a photo of the Russian landing module "Kazachok" with a long-lived station on the planet, which is now being interfaced with the European Mars rover:

and these are the tests of the protective casing for "Kazachka":

etc. etc.

Quote: astepanov

There are separate devices installed on American devices and operating according to American and European programs. And don't cast your shadow over the fence.

You are not on the topic with an ear, not a snout. What can you say to such an opus, well, perhaps from the latest news:

During the past months of the flight of the European-Japanese station "Beppi Colombo" to Mercury, the Russian MGNS spectrometer registered 42 cosmic gamma-ray bursts. Its data, combined with the data of other gamma-ray detectors, in particular the Russian HEND instrument on board the Mars Odyssey spacecraft, help Russian scientists to clarify the position of gamma-ray burst sources in the celestial sphere. The last gamma-ray burst was recorded on September 19, 2020.The second task of the device during the flight is to monitor the radiation situation and, in particular, solar activity.

Quote: astepanov

As for boorish statements like "pan-head", you can attribute them to your own account. You are a cheap troll.

What I see and write about it.

Quote: astepanov

By the way, your links are not working. Adieu, girl.

Well, I say - Ruin-muhozhuk. Links in Russia work and open perfectly, for example the first one:

[astepanov]

You write long and lie. These devices were developed at the IKI RAS, which is not part of Roscosmos. The same applies to other appliances. And Roskosmos also has nothing to do with putting them into space. You are lying, girl.
More emojis!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: astepanov

So the alignment of the number of launches will be the same: in front of the Chinese and the Americans, in the rearguard - Roscosmos.

Quote: astepanov

These devices were developed at the IKI RAS, which is not part of Roscosmos.

Interesting mathematics you have: consider the space programs of the Americans, the Chinese in comparison with Roskosmos. Is this a country like "Roskosmos", or what?
And in what country is the IKI RAN located, whose programs does it carry out?

[astepanov]

Quote: Bad_gr

And in what country is the IKI RAN located, whose programs does it carry out?

Once again, for the gifted: IKI RAN is not a part of Roscosmos and, when it comes to research as part of foreign programs, it uses its own or foreign funding, works according to programs agreed with the owners of spacecraft. Roskosmos does not instruct IKI to carry out such work - they are most often performed in conjunction with the Astronomical Institute named after Sternberg from the same Russian Academy of Sciences. Will you fill in that Rogosmos is instructing the Astronomical Institute to investigate something? You are funny.

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Quote: astepanov

Once again, for the gifted: IKI RAN is not part of Roscosmos and, when it comes to research as part of foreign programs, it uses its own or foreign funding, works according to programs agreed with the owners of spacecraft.

1. Astrophysical laboratory Integral - launched by Roscosmos. 25% of the time at the observatory is entirely Russian, not included in the European research program.

2. The interplanetary stations Mars-Express and Venus-Express were launched by Roskosmos - part of the scientific work was carried out at the request of Russian scientists under the Russian program for planetary research.

3. Interplanetary station of the ExoMars-2016 project - launched by Roscosmos. A joint project with Europe, having both a common with Europe and a national program. Receiving data from the station is carried out, among other things, by Roskosmos at the centers of the Far Space Communication in Ussuriysk and Medvezhye Lakes.

The DAN, HEND, LAND and MGTS devices at foreign stations not launched by Roscosmos operate according to the Russian research program.

Roskosmos is not engaged in the creation of scientific instruments, it creates platforms and communication and sensing systems, and also launches spacecraft. An extreme example - Spektr-RG - the Navigator platform with two telescopes assembled at the IKI RAS in Sarov and Germany is located beyond the orbit of the Moon at the Lagrange point L2.

In Russia, space science is dealt with by the IKI RAS and the IBMP and similar scientific organizations of the RAS and universities.

On September 28, Roskosmos successfully launched four university scientific apparatus as a passing load.

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Quote: astepanov

You write long and lie. These devices were developed at the IKI RAS, which is not part of Roscosmos.

Indeed - a saucepan. You have to be so blunt.

[astepanov]

Quote: slipped

You have to be so blunt.

You're stupid, girl. The devices you named were created without the participation of Roskosmos and were launched into space also without Roskosmos. Either refute, or disappear, the troll is cheap.

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Quote: astepanov

You're stupid, girl. The devices you named were created without the participation of Roskosmos and were launched into space also without Roskosmos. Either refute, or disappear, the troll is cheap.

Pan, hello, Roskosmos does not create scientific instruments. Only scientific and technological.

Above, I have listed the interplanetary stations and the telescope built by Roscosmos.

[astepanov]

So, this is already progress. Roscosmos did not create the devices you named, did not put them into space. It remains to be understood that this means that he has nothing to do with the programs you are yelling about, and to admit that his Ph.D. Rogozin is not deserved, especially since he received it before he became the head of Rogozmos. Will you deny? Justify. And - more emoticons.

[Falcon5555]

Links in Russia work and open perfectly

Yes, they open for me too.

[2 Level Advisor]

If you are in the know, you should know about the "newest" ICBMs ..
1. Yars is actually Topol-M2 .. the main difference is the warhead and equipment, the product itself is 90 percent, the same Topol comes from the USSR
2. Angara - documentation and the project are also from the USSR, but in fairness, we can say that she is more from the Russian Federation than from the USSR .. but .. she is not yet in the ranks completely .. and if you compare her turn, with the queue to Mask - yes, she has no queue ..
I'm not saying that everything is lost, but it is Rogozin who has nothing to do with these missiles at all .. this is not his achievement ..

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Quote: 2 level advisor

1. Yars is actually Topol-M2 ..

YARS is Solomonov's Nuclear Rocket.

Quote: 2 level advisor

2.Angara - documentation and a project also from the USSR,

No. Technologies are partially borrowed - yes, many are completely new.

Quote: 2 level advisor

and if you compare her turn, with the queue for Musk, yes, she has no queue ..

The A5 rocket is not yet on the international market. She is undergoing flight tests.

Quote: 2 level advisor

but it is Rogozin who has nothing to do with these missiles at all .. this is not his achievement ..

It was Rogozin who made possible the beginning of the flight design tests of the Angara.

[2 Level Advisor]

1. The Solomon nuclear missile is an unofficial name, do not exaggerate ..
2 and 3. Did you not finish the second part of my commentary? I repeat, "but in fairness, we can say that she is more from the Russian Federation than from the USSR .. but .. she is not yet in the ranks completely ..".
4. What did Rogozin do specifically? except for being at the head of the RK? Do you know V. A. Malyshev? Minister of Tank Industry in 1941 (I suspect that both you and 95 percent of the population will hear it for the first time if you ask) .. Is this the T-34 country to him, and not to Mikhail Ilyich Koshkin owes you?

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Quote: 2 level advisor

1. The Solomon nuclear missile is an unofficial name, do not exaggerate ..

Of course, unofficial, but a lot of explanations.

Quote: 2 level advisor

but .. it is not yet fully operational .. ".

Of course not in the ranks, in the ranks will be from 2023.

Quote: 2 level advisor

What did Rogozin do specifically?

As the head of Roscosmos? Well, read the Results of 2018-2019.
http://www.roscosmos.ru/25906/ и http://www.roscosmos.ru/27907/

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, since Rogozin declared, then I am calm. It won't fly and most likely won't even be built. The maximum is what a specialist from Yakutia has done.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, since Rogozin declared, then I am calm. Will not fly and, most likely, will not even be built

He has no time for missiles now. There are more important things
A new section dedicated to songs about cosmonautics has appeared on the Roscosmos website. It contains tracks for which the general director of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin wrote the poems.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And then he gets into a problem - never poets in Russia lived richly.
Yes, and what can you saw in verse? Paper and goose feathers?

[Cosm22]

Perhaps this is the true calling of Mr. Rogozin?
And now a person is simply not doing his business?
The faculties of journalism at Moscow State University and economic Marxism-Leninism at the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU certainly contribute to career advancement, but they do not even provide basic knowledge in the field of astronautics.
The lack of elementary engineering education has a tangible effect, even judging by the rhetoric. When Rogozin is silent and does not rant about lunar bases and trampolines, they still make fun of him by an order of magnitude less.
The article is wonderful, full of optimism and faith in the future. These verbal phrases - "creation has begun", "started to work on its development", "will be used", "will return", "will be more effective", "it is planned to carry out", "there will be more" - do not leave any chances for the fraudster The mask.

[astepanov]

Quote: Cosm22

The lack of elementary engineering education has a tangible effect even judging by the rhetoric

What are you, my friend, Rogozin, among other things, is also a doctor of technical sciences. True, I never managed to find the author's abstract of his doctoral dissertation. Presumably top secret work. Something about strategic trampolines on a philosophical trampoline. Not otherwise, as in the Institute of Marxism-Leninism he wrote. As the classic used to say, "the theory of Marxism is omnipotent, because it is correct."
How everything has rotted, if the Higher Attestation Commission confers doctoral degrees to absolute ignoramuses! After all, he did not buy his doctoral diploma in the subway passage.

[astepanov]

Quote: Vadivak

A new section dedicated to songs about cosmonautics has appeared on the Roscosmos website.

Can I also take part in sawing the dough on space poetry?
Musk is not afraid, and everyone here
Calm about the country:
Rogozin will make a trampoline
and jump to the moon!

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The maximum is what a specialist from Yakutia has done.

You are drawn to the feces. You have posted this picture several times in a row.
And it would be okay only on the topic of the "successes" of Rosskosmos, but in the article about Donbass you tried to express something with this rocket made of dung.
Look before you have time to notice how in your comments this topic will prevail over the norm.

[The leader of the Redskins]

What life is - such is the material of the rocket.
And about Donbass he answered one figure. He tried to attribute the laurels of this sculptor to the Ukrainians.

[Nychego]

Quote: Civil

Bring at least one previous promised project to space.

We are waiting for the launch of the Angar-A5 rocket on November 28 (if they don’t transfer it again) - we’ll make sure that we are still keeping up with the technology of our ancestors, even taking into account the fact that half of the elementary base is Korean and Taiwanese.

[210ox]

I remember at the beginning of the 90s there was a development on the reversible stage "Baikal". As I understand it, they pulled the documentation out of the archive.

[Koval Sergey]

the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask

Take the microphone away from Rogozin

[Nychego]

Quote: Sergey Koval

Take away someone from Rogozin's microphone am

... best with an armchair.

[Lech from Android.]

Will not work his robot Fedya with two pistols guards, throws a bullet into a fly offhand.

[Nychego]

Quote: Lech from Android.

throws a bullet into a fly.

Puts.
In my opinion, the fedya had only one function stitched - to support the crumbs of prestige, oh, yes, there was one more task: to master the dough, but this is no longer the fedi, but his "papokarlov" ...

[Nikza]

They put this hell, but they lie to the bullet :-))

[Blackmokona]

And you try

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Civil

It's not even funny, yet again another promise to start a new project.

I just looked about the "SV Wing" and made sure that everything is new, it is well forgotten old.
Intentions dating back to the beginning of the century ... Its progenitor, the Baikal model, was demonstrated in Le Bourget back in 2001.

[210ox]

This is still a Soviet development. I saw it almost thirty years ago.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: 210ox

This is still a Soviet development. I saw it almost thirty years ago.

And so I wrote - "early century intentions"

Further, in the depths of centuries I did not dig.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: BDRM 667

Quote: Civil

It's not even funny, yet again another promise to start a new project.

I looked at the "SV Wing"

Only the wing cannot expand at supersonic speed as shown.
After separation, the upper stages are first decelerated by the flow of incoming air to a speed much lower than the supersonic one, after which it is possible to turn the wing into a position for atmospheric gliding.
It is not yet known how the folded wings will behave at supersonic speed with the folded state, whether they will not be "sucked" by the oncoming flow from the upper stage body - there are still a lot of difficult questions that have not been answered - in general, such a solution by weight will be beneficial, or it is more profitable, like Musk's, to leave a couple of tons of fuel in the tank for vertical landing and extinguish vertical speed due to the main engine, and not the built-in one ...

[Errr]

Quote: Civil

Bring at least one previous promised project to space.

What for? Russia is a unique country with a real time machine.

[Imobile]

Trampoline traction is not for you khukhry-mukhry !!! And there seems to be even twins trampoline traction. Loser Max will stand on the sidelines and nervously smoke!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Civil

Not even funny, again another promise to start a new project. Bring at least one previous promised project to space.

In April of this year, the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the one created by Ilona Mask

Well, yes, the Americans have already begun to jump on their "trampolines" to the ISS! Rogozin was not approached.
When will they finally start asking for results ("FOR BAZARS") from middle and top managers ?!

[slipped]

Quote: Civil

Not even funny, again another promise to start a new project. Bring at least one previous promised project to space.

Many previous projects have been brought to space

[Nychego]

I doubt very much that it will be a competitive "product" - while the Rogozinskys are being protested, Musk will have time to fly to Mars, and may even go broke, and then this "space generic" will turn out to be not a competitor, but the master of the market, well, or one of a dozen similar developments, already implemented by that time.

[sergo1914]

It's a shame for Roscosmos.
And then there's ...
“MOSCOW, November 10 - RIA Novosti. The state corporation "Roscosmos" has opened a section on the website with songs of its general director Dmitry Rogozin.
In the section "Songs about Space" you can listen online, download and watch clips of songs by Rogozin, his wife Tatiana and other authors. Among them are compositions "We tear the sky to shreds", "A ship is flying over the Earth", "Don't shoot!" "

Generally the edge.

[Region-25.rus]

I remembered an old anecdote - "Brezhnev calls Gromyko and asks - Listen, Kutuzov was one-eyed? - Yes! - A. Mashe Dayan? - Same. - Listen, let's kick out one eye for Grechka!"

[the Saint]

Syria has not yet been conquered, Karabakh is next in line ... and Rogozin is raving about conquering space.

[Vadim237]

How are Syria and Karabakh related to Rogozin and Roscosmos? Take the trouble to clarify.

[the Saint]

Money, of course.

[askort154]

RIA Novosti was informed about it in the press service of the state corporation "Roscosmos".

The most hard-working service in Roscosmos. Otherwise, the head of Roscosmos is the journalist himself.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: askort154

the head of Roscosmos is the journalist himself.

How can you! ... (banter)
He received the DTN (Doctor of Technical Sciences) a couple of years ago - and bypassing the CTN. (really)
Looks like a great talent man (banter banter)

Curious about what "scribbles" are being appropriated by the DTN - "Problems of Russia's National Security at the Turn of the XXI Century" https://www.dissercat.com/content/problemy-natsionalnoi-bezopasnosti-rossii-na-rubezhe-xxi-veka
By the way, not a single formula or calculation - blah blah ...

So, "walking lightly", from Doctor of Philosophy, to Doctor of Technical Sciences.

This is how easily the title of Doctor of Technical Sciences (DTN) is devalued in Russia, for the sake of other appointed officials ...
In truth, the "cook" is in charge of engineers and professors (sad, sad, sad).
So we do not expect breakthroughs - there will not be enough knowledge base for a person to evaluate projects, preliminary calculations (seriously)

[Falcon5555]

This is his dissertation on philosophical sciences. Technically, it's hard to find. Maybe a secret one?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Falcon5555

This is his dissertation on philosophical sciences. Technically, it's hard to find. Maybe a secret one?

Yes - this is a DD for a Doctor of Philosophy.

The second, apparently so secret that it cannot be made public.
However, judging by the comments in the engineering environment, the style of leadership by obscenities replaces the head of the Republic of Kazakhstan with gaps in the knowledge of theoretical mechanics, ballistics, strength, materials science.
But how he sings on the theme of space ...

[nikvic46]

What to say? It will be very good if this happens. We will only be glad. But who is Elon Musk? After all, he was not born a billionaire. He was made so by wealthy people who believed in his ideas. This is a very important business, the work of a business for the future. It is a big risk. But it is this risk that drives science and technology.

[loser]

Remember "Buran" (although it was used once, in automatic mode "and I think within my powers, and this, without boasting and without slogans.

[Jacket in stock]

Buran is no longer remembered, the USSR did it. There is already no country, and no factories, and those that exist are already in different countries, and the technologies have been lost.
Again, the concept is completely different, Musk has a reusable rocket, Buran has a reusable orbiter attached to a one-time rocket.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask.

... When it really shows efficiency, then Rogozin's words can be trusted.

[slipped]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask.

... When it really shows efficiency, then Rogozin's words can be trusted.

Hamsters got excited by a hype paragraph from RIA Novosti. But in the original the conversation was about the Soyuz-5 rocket, and not about the Krylo-SV ultralight rocket. This is how they fool the masqueraders for the hype. To get them excited.

[Blackmokona]

The difference is that after launch, the Americans catch their rocket stages in the ocean using an offshore platform, and the Russian-made unit will return to the cosmodrome on wings using an aircraft engine.

Do the guys there even know nothing about the competitor?
The platform or cosmodrome is selected before launch, depending on the mass of the launch vehicle

[Nychego]

Quote: BlackMokona

Do the guys there even know nothing about the competitor?

The guys are either incompetent themselves or they hold us for lack of intelligence, talking about "fishing for steps in the ocean." They catch the fairing halves, and the first steps themselves now sit beautifully and chic: synchronously, in the centers of the crosses on the landing sites.

[A. Privalov]

Another success and success to Dmitry Olegovich!

[zwlad]

It's good to scoff at the holy fools.

[rocket757]

It's not even funny ...
Who remembers the Soviet cartoon about the Promisekin?

[Errr]

Quote: rocket757

Who remembers the Soviet cartoon about the Promisekin?

"Where did I see him?", 1964 cartoon.

[rocket757]

Many Soviet cartoons are very instructive .... now more relevant than ever! About football players, I remember, it was very indicative, instructive!

[Errr]

"Unusual match" 1955, ending with the words:

What is the essence of the picture? Here's the question.
The answer is given immediately!
Who turns up their nose too much
He often remains with a nose.

And I also like the "Rematch" (1968) about hockey players.
And indeed, all Soviet animation is a phenomenon of clearly global significance.

[rocket757]

There was also a cartoon, a caricature .... "From a pine forest to a pine tree"!
As the creators looked into the water, at the present football muddied oh how it looks!

[Errr]

Quote: rocket757

There was also a cartoon, a caricature .... "From a pine forest to a pine tree"!
As the creators looked into the water, at the present football muddied oh how it looks!

I didn't even know about the existence of this cartoon. Looked in one breath. Thank you very much! Cool cartoon, really liked it. An extremely topical topic and it seems that it is just one of the "eternal" interpersonal topics. Obviously, the creators of this masterpiece, sisters Valentina and Zinaida Brumberg, were, among other things, extremely intelligent women. I somehow do not quite fit into my skull the idea that they were both born at the end of the XNUMXth century (a little earlier than Walt Disney, but not in America, but in Moscow ). So much everything in their 1974 creation, as they say, "on the head of the day" even after 46 years. Thank you very much again.

[rocket757]

This is remembered, and then very easily falls on our realities .... I have been looking for a long time.
That would be to show it more often, but before or during football matches ... this will not correct the situation in football, but it will bring some dissonance into not yet moldy minds.

[Errr]

A very sensible offer!
Laughing at yourself is useful even without realizing it.
As it is sung in one clever and now old song:

Let the success be capricious
He chooses from those
Who can be the first to laugh at themselves ...

[Petro_tut]

It's not even funny, master mack is straight

[prior]

"I love our plans huge .."
But why are there only ruins after them ?!

[Alex66]

Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective,

Just like in Zhvanetsky: what will the head of the transport department say here? If there are no questions, I'll start. Our transport department, having found internal reserves, successfully celebrated the New Year long before the end! We transported on the route a wine warehouse - a wine store forty-five thousand eight million three hundred sixty-four and six-tenths of a liter of strong, fortified and slightly diluted products.

[A. Privalov]

I remember that Kryl-SV was based on some strange-looking design of the Baikal cruise missile.

[loser]

Quote: Sergey Koval

Take someone away from Rogozin's mic

I would very much like to take away the "microphone" from Musk, there advertising is arranged. But one thing is forgotten - the cost of certain projects. From fresh:Near Las Vegas, Virgin Hyperloop conducted the first tests of a vacuum train capsule with passengers on board. A test drive was carried out, during which the capsule in the tunnel accelerated to a speed of 172 kilometers per hour. Inside it were two passengers: the company's CTO Josh Geigel and the passenger experience director Sara Lucian. The trip was successful, the passengers were satisfied. It is reported by Rambler". Further: https://news.rambler.ru/tech/45209740/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink Here are just: Last year, Russian experts decided to calculate the economic feasibility of building a Hyperloop line between Moscow and St. Petersburg. It turned out that such a pipe would cost a little more than $ 35 billion, this is without taking into account payments for land acquisition, environmental and other costs. And for the payback of such a route, its clients should be exclusively dollar millionaires, and about 5% of them should travel in Hyperloop capsules every day. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/tech/45209740/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[Blackmokona]

Maybe if you remove the Russian cut-back cuttings included in the project, it will immediately be cheap and easy?

[loser]

Quote: BlackMokona

Maybe if you remove the Russian cut-back cuttings included in the project, then it will immediately be cheap and easy

Well, let's already admit to ourselves that they steal no less from them than from us. Yeah. And we admit that everything with Us (starting with Katyusha) is more efficient and cheaper.

[Blackmokona]

It depends on what to evaluate not less.
If the amount of money is much more.
And if the percentage of projects is radically less.
Well, you can see the price of Armata and other new items of the military-industrial complex. Not cheaper at all.

Somehow an American and a Russian meet. Politicians. They are found in America. In the capital Washington DC. American invites Russian home. Luxurious home, garden, view of the Potomac.

- How well you live, - the Russian guest makes a compliment, - where does the money come from? - And over there, you see - the bridge over the Potomac? - Well. - So, the budget there was 75 million, I took 5% for myself, I built a house on them, and laid out a garden.

They come to Moscow. The Russian has a full penthouse, as they say. The American opened his mouth with surprise at the luxury, and did not close it. Where, he asks, is such an insane luxury, I have hardly seen such a thing in America? - And over there, you see, there in the distance, in the misty haze, a bridge across the Moskva River? “No, says the overseas guest, I don't see any bridge there. - So he had a budget of 100 million, and everything went to me. "

[loser]

Quote: BlackMokona

It depends on what to evaluate

In terms of efficiency, let's remember those engines that, despite the sanctions, the Americans still buy .... And why ask YOURSELF. And I share anecdotes in a closer company.

[Blackmokona]

Because our engines are sold for half the production cost. As reported by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation.

MOSCOW, May 11 - RIA Novosti. OJSC NPO Energomash sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines for American Atlas-5 launch vehicles for half the cost of their production costs, according to the Russian Audit Chamber.

https://ria.ru/20110511/373020049.html
You understand that there is nowhere to be cheaper, except that the Americans pay extra for them. ULA is holding on to these engines and is not in a hurry to buy American ones.
Well, in this example, we are looking at SpaceX's Falcon-9, which flies on American Merlin engines developed and produced by SpaceX, and not on ours.

[dragy52rus]

they were sold like that until 10

[Blackmokona]

And then the price was classified.
From which we can conclude that both sold and sell.
Yes, and the United States would stink strongly if they double or triple the price in the contract.
And there was no stench.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because our engines are sold for half the production cost. As reported by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation.

Why don't you publish the date of this "news"? But it says 20110511 - does that tell you something? )))

And the facts are as follows - the RD-180 in the end for the entire contract cost America three times more than its production cost.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because the engines are ours sold for half the production cost... As reported by the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation.

Quote: BlackMokona

https://ria.ru/20110511/373020049.html

According to your link, it follows that this situation was at the beginning of the 2th (2008-2009), and you expose it in such a way that it exists to this day (selling engines for half the price).
Where is the information that now engines sell for half the price?

[slipped]

Quote: Bad_gr

Where is the information that now engines sell for half the price?

The engines are not for sale now. They have already been sold under the current contract. With great benefit for Russia. More than a billion dollars. Now the completion and delivery of the last batch is underway until 2024. At the end of October, the next successful firing tests of the next engine prepared for delivery took place.

[Blackmokona]

Because there was no news about the new price

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because there was no news about the new price

Nonsense, was announced back in 2017. ~ $ 30 million. Look, there is a network. By the way, the cost of production is about 800 million rubles. Hence the threefold difference. And the new RD-180MV will cost two times less.

[Blackmokona]

Didn't find it, can I have a link?

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Didn't find it, can I have a link?

Under the first agreement of 1997 between Moscow and Washington, it was envisaged to supply 101 RD-180 engines to the United States at a price of more than $ 1 billion, then there was an additional agreement for the supply of more than 20 engines and the price of the engine in dollars increased significantly, and the ruble to then decreased. At your request, I began to look at the link for you - prices jump from $ 15 million to $ 30 million per piece on different sites, only these are all unreliable sites of some kind, but on the Energomash site, which would be a proof for you here - no. But this is generally not important now then. The contract is paid.

[Blackmokona]

Well, I'm talking secret.
And about the payment, so who can argue that they pay. The question is at what price.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, I'm talking secret.
And about the payment, so who can argue that they pay. The question is at what price.

No, it's not secret, chipboard, that's why it's not on the network. According to the first contract, about $ 10 million per engine is obtained, according to the second - maybe the Americans themselves do not want to be dishonored once again. Let's just say - RD-180MV for Soyuz-6 will cost, as I wrote above, ~ 400 million rubles - at the current exchange rate - about $ 5 million.

[Blackmokona]

Well, when it will cost then we'll see. And then they promised cheap Angara, but now they admit that even in mass production it will be much more expensive than Proton

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, when it will cost then we'll see. And then they promised cheap Angara, but now they admit that even in mass production it will be much more expensive than Proton

The cost of launch services on the A5 rocket is already comparable to the cost of services for the launch of Proton-M. This can be seen from the contracts already concluded. And for purely commercial launches we are now creating a Soyuz-5 launch vehicle. Dynamic tests of the stage of this carrier at TsNIIMash are planned from the first quarter of next year.

[Blackmokona]

The above is directly stated in the news.
https://ria.ru/20200629/1573599595.html

The Angara rocket turned out to be three times more expensive than the Proton

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

The above is directly stated in the news.

Below, which is directly stated about the cost of contracts for four A5s with MO satellites https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4047965.html The contract is estimated at 18 billion rubles. Those. 4,5 billion rubles per launch, which is ~ $ 60 million, which, as I said above, is comparable to the cost of the commercial Proton-M.

[Blackmokona]

Only here domestic and commercial prices differ at times in Russia.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Only here domestic and commercial prices differ at times in Russia.

Payload launch services on the A5 are not yet available on the international market. All talk on this topic is speculation, nothing more.

[Blackmokona]

Just such a practice in Russia for Proton and the Union.
We now see the internal price of the Angara, the Proton in the internal price is cheaper than 30 million. Since the internal price only takes into account the rocket without a fairing, booster block, cosmodrome services and other

[Bad_gr]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because there was no news about the new price

Was there any news about new losses associated with the sale of engines below the cost price?

[Blackmokona]

No, but why duplicate the news?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: BlackMokona

No, but why duplicate the news?

So if there are no scandals over losses, then everything is fine with the price of engines.

[Blackmokona]

How do we know if there are losses in the sale of engines or not? If this question has not been disclosed since then?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: BlackMokona

How do we know if there are losses in the sale of engines or not?

Losses cannot be hidden, they cannot be hidden offshore.

[Blackmokona]

Is it easy to hide what problems then?
Give a subsidy to Energomash and bye hello

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: losernet

It turned out that such a pipe will cost a little more than 35 billion dollars, this is without taking into account payments for the alienation of land, environmental and other costs.

Apparently revered Alexander Kazantsev "Arctic Bridge"

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask

Khoja and donkey padishakh
There lived a citizen in Bukhara,
His name was Khoja Nasretdin.
Cheerful and always cheerful
Even though he was completely poor.

Once the padishah announced -
He needs a learned donkey.
So that he can read books,
And, of course, write with a hoof.

Took Khoja to train the donkey,
"Yes, the donkey is a poor man's student!"
This is how the people laugh at Khoja.
And Khoja is proud of his position.

“I am no longer a poor man at all,
A penny is laid daily,
And feeding, clothing and shelter,
Professor of grammar of words.

Yes, teach the primer to the donkey,
Our shah will not trust a simpleton.
And now I am an important master.
Once I have a salary and rank! "

“But listen to us too, dear,
If you say goodbye to your head?
Suddenly you will not teach the donkey
Then your share will be bitter! "

“Well, no, I'm not so stupid!
Learning term - ten years,
As long as the flight lasts
Then someone, but still dies,

Am I, donkey, or our padishah! "
So he answered with a sneer in his eyes,
Our cheerful Khoja Nasretdin,
A character of very ancient epics.

B. Divaev

[Vadim_888]

Are we repeating the story of the "eastern" one with the missing billions?

[Jacket in stock]

the domestic rocket will be more effective than the one created

Key here will и already created.
First, it's weird to create something that is less efficient than what is already there.
And secondly, the experience of previous years shows that nothing can will not be created.

[Maks1995]

I remember that there were already at least 2 times about the beginning of the development of new engines for reusable missiles.

Or trampolines multiply, or 1-2 trampolines are promoting from different sides ...

[slipped]

Quote: Max1995

I remember that there were already at least 2 times about the beginning of the development of new engines for reusable missiles.

Russia has two reusable missile projects:

1. Project "Amur-LNG" - there will be the RD-0169 engine, which is now being created in the Voronezh KBKhA. This is a middle-class rocket with vertical landing on special sites.

To date, the scientific and technical council on the draft design has passed, the project has been approved and sent for examination to scientific departments and institutes.

2. Project "Wing-SV" - there will be an engine with the name "Whirlwind", this engine is being created KBHM them. Isaeva. This is an ultralight class rocket with an airfield landing.

To date, the FPI has developed a project for a 1: 3 demonstrator of this rocket. Direct work on the creation of the demonstrator began in February this year. Now we have moved on to creating an engine. Earlier it was reported that the aircraft engine MGTD-150, with the help of which the first Russian cruise reusable missile "Krylo-SV" will return to the airfield after launch, will be printed on a 3D printer.

In September, it was reported about the successful tests of the MGTD-125E engine, the main components of which were also 3D printed, as part of the Dan-M jet target drone.

[Maks1995]

Thank you, just short and clear.

[akarfoxhound]

"Competition ?!", Musk got scared, gentlemen-creators of the headlines, aren't you funny from such names?

[slipped]

Quote: akarfoxhound

"Competition ?!", Musk got scared, gentlemen-creators of the headlines, aren't you funny from such names?

RIA HYIP on the masquerade drivers. They are very easily aroused by this - here are these comments as an example.

[akarfoxhound]

Wow! With Dziuba paired with work for "patriotism"? Someone on the picture of the TV channel Match "relaxes", and someone on the bright image of Rogozin in a painted frame under Khokhloma?

[slipped]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Wow!?

We left the bay!

Quote: akarfoxhound

and someone on the light image of Rogozin in a painted frame under Khokhloma?

Jerk off? The Advanced Research Foundation laughs at you.

[akarfoxhound]

Jerk off? [/ quote]

Does this topic excite you not childishly? I see you are directly immersed in the topic I'm not on your team of like-minded people (or one-handed people, what is your club called?)
This is to drive the main Zenit, to the camera, together, to each other - to the burdeshaft! You are with him - the team!
Everything will work out for you !!!
Py.Sy. Take care of your hand, Senya!

[slipped]

Quote: akarfoxhound

I see you are directly immersed in the topic

Yes, in the course a little. Unlike....

Quote: akarfoxhound

I'm not on your team of like-minded people (or one-handed, what's your club called? )

Duc, it's already clear that you are a foe.

Quote: akarfoxhound

Here on VO, besides you, there are professionals to distort, and even on men has not yet been observed

Pour boiling water directly. Mask that, mask that ... you read prayers to him - a sect, in a word.

[akarfoxhound]

Don't worry! You're a professional! Just change your hand!

But seriously, and not for the fact that you started to scribble higher, then if you had at least something to do with the high-tech sphere and the organization of production in our country, then you would not pluck this heresy of "breakthrough witnesses" ... I, for example, have already broken spears with the impenetrable strength of our "effective managers". You even bring live money to production for people, but they are only interested in the development of the budget. Only! And this muck is not penetrable! A team of people assembled and determined to do business from the trance state "we are in a parallel-unreal world" does not come out. To put it simply, here's a new powerful, let's say, a truck, we will earn money on cargo transportation: you, we, high taxes, jobs, we will retrain and teach people. Nope! Hafura? Let's sell a wheel from a truck! And then another! And then we will ask for money for another truck! Business plan class !!! Shikardos !!!
So you give me garbage caviar here, don't go for it. And your NASAvsky is nobody to me, just like your useful korefan Rogozin, your empty kindergarten "urakalka" do Russia more harm than good, so there are reasonable doubts - which of us is the real enemy.

In the open spaces of neta there is one very wonderful site of poster modeling "Karopka Ru", by the way, there, due to the specifics, there are an order of magnitude more specialists in technology and history than on the same VO, and so - one "local" master has a motto: "To make models from Russian-made blanks is to directly confuse patriotism with idiotiism!" And you, dear, these two concepts are not confused, right - but how? They are one solid monolith !!!

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Quote: akarfoxhound

But seriously, and not for the fact that you started to dribble higher,

Announce the entire list of pozh-hundred.

Quote: akarfoxhound

then if you had at least some relation to the high-tech sphere and to the organization of production in our country, then you would not pluck this heresy of "breakthrough witnesses" ...

Indeed, blah-blah-blah some. Trucks and wheels. Is this country really yours?

Quote: akarfoxhound

And your NASA is nobody to me, just like your useful korefan Rogozin, your empty kindergarten "urakalka" do Russia more harm than good, so there are reasonable doubts - which of us is the real enemy.

What didn't Roscosmos do you? And how did he harm you? The fact that it has been successfully launching rockets for two years without a single accident? The fact that the restoration of competencies in the field of space technologies began in several directions at once, and what is more, with the transition to a domestic element base? By the fact that the domestic manned program is progressing successfully and is preparing to launch new ISS modules? By the fact that the interplanetary program is also being renewed?

Not. The real enemy is only you.

[akarfoxhound]

I was defined as an enemy, essentially wooden product, worshiping the god Onan in an exalted pseudo-patriotic ecstasy ?! Directly expensive!
From all your sounded nonsense, a simple conclusion is that you poor fellow, you have never been to any design bureau, not at any ARZ, not at Vostochny, Svobodny, or Plesetsk, but you read something somewhere "for space and aviation "(sometimes and not only on the fence, but also on the notice board), written by your relatives in the" Uporotaya Roscha "club on the wood.
My opponent’s gray matter didn’t accept the simplified analogy about trucks. ... Will a children's scooter be an example for you or is it also technically difficult? Construction wheelbarrow? Also no?
Ah, in your coloring the outlines of the rocket, the cars and the fox are different, and therefore they are not perceived by the forehead, right ?!
Well, this personal misfortune is not with me, but with your doctor you can share
P.S. On a hike, not only in your own trousers, you have mastered non-stop distorting, but also other people's comments, and here and there voluptuously giving out wishful thinking. Where is the mischievous prankster
Aren't you afraid to add blindness to your hairy palms?

[BAI]

For our calf to eat the wolf. Regular fairy tales.

[Krasnoyarsk]

= In April of this year, the head of the state corporation "Roscosmos" Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic rocket would be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask. =
Well, if Rogozin himself said, tady oh.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, if Rogozin himself said, tady oh.

We will surpass and tear everyone in space Tady. Rogozin is the best storyteller manager

[Gene84]

Quote: Vladimir B.

Rogozin

What would we do without the main space storyteller, probably already would have visited the Moon

[solzh]

Quote: Gene84

probably already would have visited the moon

And not only on the Moon ... We could already start to build scientific laboratories on other planets

[Vladimir B.]

I am sure that without him, we could do a lot with the development and implementation of our space program.

[solzh]

Quote: Vladimir B.

Rogozin the best storyteller manager

By far the best. Nobody could promise as much as he did.)))

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: solzh

Nobody could promise as much as he did.

Yeltsin, he promised in due time to lie on the rails, but did not lie down.

[AshPoseidon]

We will not be the first on Mars. Too many developments, projects started and not completed, priority goals are not clear, I think so.

[trophy]

The creation of the Angara family began in 1993. They have been creating for 27 years. And I wonder what Musk was doing in that glorious 1993?

[Blackmokona]

Musk in 1993 at the University of Pensselvansky received two higher educations in physics and economics.
I was a student.

[APASUS]

Again, Roskosmos and Rogozin's Twitter are ahead of the rest of the planet, they bully Elon Musk. When they start showing real launches, rockets, and not voicing the next # has no analogs in the world

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: APASUS

When they start showing real launches

Then, everything will be, but then. Now we need to voice our importance

[Gene84]

They can only voice their significance ... And in the space race we lose ...

[Rubi0]

When will they start attracting investor money?

[Hog]

Old lending, but hard to believe (one more cut).

[ZVS]

Roscosmos is not a competitor to Musk and never was. As long as Putin's personnel policy is based on the principle of personal adherence to him, and not on professional qualities, in Russia no industry will become a competitor on the world stage.

[MMX]

Quote: SU

Roscosmos is not a competitor to Musk and never was. As long as Putin's personnel policy is based on the principle of personal adherence to him, and not on professional qualities, in Russia no industry will become a competitor on the world stage.

They are not competitors for one simple reason, Roscosmos is tightly "sits" on defense orders. Him this competition to the honey. He is a monopolist and the defense order will pass all one thing to him. Therefore, until recently, the civilian component was organized according to the same principle, while there was no serious competition. And they would not seriously itch after the loss of the civilian market, if the reputation of the country's leadership was not at stake ("pissed off the polymers", etc.). It was here that the digging began on the Soviet bottom-hole: what else can you concoct into models and plans for the future ...

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: SU

in Russia, no industry will become a competitor on the world stage.

The oil and gas industry is still a competitor.

[Financier]

Quote: Vladimir B.

The oil and gas industry is still a competitor

There is also competition in the arms market. Perhaps we are no longer competing in anything ...

[Gene84]

Quote: Financier

we do not compete in anything anymore

How is it in nothing? And in the withdrawal of capital abroad to offshore?

[Nikza]

"Goes to the right, the song starts. To the left, says a fairy tale." "And not a moment of rest, what is it ..." :-))
"The most harmful of people - This is a storyteller - a villain.
That’s a clever liar,
It is a pity that it is tasteless "

[Roman070280]

Rogozin said that the domestic rocket will be more effective than the Falcon 9 created by Ilona Mask

Yes, yes .. it will be .. Rogozin will have everything more effective than Musk .. But then ..

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

and at this time, China plans to launch a returnable launch vehicle on 20.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

and at this time, China plans to launch a returnable launch vehicle on 20.12.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX

The Chinese just don't have Rogozin, so they are so lucky ... (sarcasm)

[solzh]

Quote: Vladimir B.

The Chinese just don't have Rogozin, so they are so lucky ... (sarcasm)

So what was the matter? We must give it to the Chinese and all the business!

[Vladimir B.]

With pleasure. Only now will they take him? ...

[solzh]

Need to try Suddenly take

[Alex 2020]

Judging by the latest news, Rosbatut .. ugh .. Roskosmos is being redesigned to trade and do anything but space and space technologies. Unfortunately, the lag in space technologies is growing. Even Zero noticed it.

[Roman070280]

The state corporation that manages the country's space industry, Roscosmos, has opened a section on its website with the songs of its CEO Dmitry Rogozin, Russian media write.

In the Songs about Space section, the tracks can be listened to either online or downloaded. Also presented clips for songs by Rogozin, his wife and other authors.

Dmitry Rogozin promised not to stop there and to delight Russians with their creativity.

[Whirlwind]

Down and Out trouble started...
And apple trees will bloom on Mars!

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, not our apple trees.

[Whirlwind]

Yes, and God is with them with someone's apples. Our cedars on Mars will do, too.

[yfast]

I started to create a gravitational engine. I sit, studying gravity for now.

[slipped]

Well, while the masqueraders are doing their favorite thing here , in Plesetsk there is a planned preparation for the launch this month of the next, already the second this year, a cluster of spacecraft with satellites of the low-orbit communication system "Gonets-M". The next three satellites and several small spacecraft with a passing load, including commercial ones, will be launched.

[7,62x54]

Tell me what is the maximum data transfer rate of the Messenger?

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Quote: 7,62x54

Tell me what is the maximum data transfer rate of the Messenger?

The data transfer rate in the Gonets-D1M system is 9,6 kbit / s from the terminal to the satellite and 64 kbit / s back.

This is enough for today to monitor any type of transport, in the oil and gas, fishery industries, as well as provide mobile personal communication in the form of SMS messages, operational control and management regardless of the location of the facility to compact terminals.

The modernization of the system is also planned, here is a slide with the characteristics of a promising spacecraft:

[7,62x54]

It's time to introduce a new holiday in Russia - Trampoline Day.

[Vladimir B.]

Competition for Elon Musk from Roscosmos: the creation of an engine for a reusable launch vehicle has begun

And what prevented Roscosmos earlier? Just tired of empty promises.

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Quote: Vladimir B.

Competition for Elon Musk from Roscosmos: the creation of an engine for a reusable launch vehicle has begun

And what prevented Roscosmos earlier? Just tired of empty promises.

I'll try to explain to you how I understand this, since everyone is silent:

This phrase belongs to the RIA journalist, who breathes unevenly towards Rogozin's personality and thus believes that he once again pinned him (as before with songs or Khokhloma), at the same time setting off a pack of Musk's network cultists, who are excited like acid on a litmus test.

In fact, the engine created on the "Wing-SV" theme for an ultralight carrier has nothing to do with Rogozin's phrase about competition with Musk. Rogozin said this in the context of the future use of the Soyuz-5 rocket, which is now being created by the Progress RCC. And these are by no means “empty promises”. Only a few days ago a contract was signed for the reconstruction of the launch site of the 45th Baikonur site by Kazakhstan for the Baiterek project, in which the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle will be used for commercial launches.

As for the ultralight rocket, it is rather a competitor to such carriers as the American "Electron" or the Chinese "Ceres-1". With the help of which small spacecraft are launched into low-earth orbit.

[Whirlwind]

"What prevented Roscosmos earlier?"
It is in which media reserve there are individuals with such questions ..?

[Dedok]

Again blah blah blah ...
how much can you tolerate it?

[solzh]

Quote: Dedok

Again blah blah blah ...
how much can you tolerate it?

As much as Rogozin will be at the head of Roscosmos