There is an opinion in Azerbaijan that politicians did not allow the final victory in Karabakh

The result of the military confrontation in Nagorno-Karabakh was the return of a part of the territories previously "occupied" by Yerevan to Baku. However, not everyone in Azerbaijan considers this war to be victorious, there is an opinion that politicians did not allow the Azerbaijani army to finally win.

Having almost defeated the Artsakh defense army and reached the NKR capital Stepanakert, the Azerbaijani army was stopped almost one step away from complete victory. The battles continued for several more days, it is possible that Azerbaijan would be able to capture almost the entire territory of the NKR, and the capital, for sure. However, the decision taken by politicians stopped the military conflict.

Russian peacekeepers entered the conflict zone, dividing the warring parties. The result of the military confrontation, which lasted more than a month, was the return by Azerbaijan of most of the territories previously "occupied" by Armenia. But the issue of Nagorno-Karabakh remained unresolved. Let it be without Shushi, but the territory of NKR remained unconquered and will have communication with Armenia through a corridor controlled by Russian peacekeepers.

Thus, there is an opinion that the victory is not final, by their decision the politicians were not allowed to completely take control of the territory of Karabakh. Some are generally convinced that Armenia won the conflict and managed to retain Karabakh, albeit at the cost of losing part of its territory.

It is also believed that Azerbaijan, having entered into an alliance with Turkey, fell into a strong dependence on its neighbor, partially losing its sovereignty.

Comments

[Livonetc]

"There is an opinion in Azerbaijan that politicians did not allow the final victory in Karabakh"
Aliyev showed that he has a pragmatic mind.
Otherwise, Azerbaijan would turn into a pariah accused of genocide.
And his only choice and support for the future, only Turkey would remain.

[NTD]

Quote: Livonetc

And his only choice and support for the future, only Turkey would remain.

It comes from your words that Azerbaijan did not win to the end. What has Azerbaijan lost?

[Alena-Baku]

Yes, the land he is right Azerbaijan did not win. The 31st Ulyanovsk airborne assault brigade, which entered Karabakh as peacekeepers, is the former 104th Airborne Division.

Do you know what she is famous for? Sapper shovels in Tbilisi in 1989.

You can't do that on purpose.

[Pereira]

Or maybe on purpose. With a hint.
I remember that story. Nicely then the rodents were broken.
And I also remember the Tbilisi old woman, after which the paratrooper chased for two kilometers and did not catch up.

[Krasnodar]

The old woman had different standards for 2 km, she was also better in pull-ups

[Old tanker]

31 oshbr is in the PPD, it is part of the CSTO CRRF, and they have not been and are not used in Karabakh. Fortunately for the Azerbaijani side
Peacekeeping 15omsbr entered Karabakh.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Old Tanker

Fortunately for the Azerbaijani side
Peacekeeping 15omsbr entered Karabakh.

So what is happiness? The fact that 200 cargo will not go to our cities? Why are you rejoicing and laughing? Along with the events in Abkhazia, the times have passed when large countries can spread rot with impunity on the weaker ones.
For example, I do not want terrorist attacks to take place in our cities. Do you want?

[Vadim_888]

... For example, I do not want terrorist attacks to take place in our cities

may be the reason for the revision of the citizenship of the Russian Federation and expulsion from Moskvabakh

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Peter Rybak

Gone are the days when large countries can spread rot with impunity on the weaker ones.

Gnobili, spread rot and will spread rot. All the pictures of the "little but proud" are for domestic consumption.

[Vadim_888]

... pictures of "little but proud" are for domestic consumption.

Israel is small - Iran is big, and who is spreading rot?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vadim_888

Israel is small - Iran is big, and who is spreading rot?

nobody nobody.

[Roman B_3]

Well, yes, the explosions at Iranian nuclear facilities, the death of nuclear scientists, the death of pro-Iranian "proxies" in Syria and the destruction of warehouses with "help" from Iran, and so no one is spreading rot ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Returning to the topic. Frostbitten radicals, who are always not enough, are everywhere. As for the agreement, the smart Aliyev, having achieved a lot and stopping the bloodshed, not only won the war, in politics, but also won in the eyes of the world community: he won peacemaker (unlike the warlike Armenians and NOT the clever Pashinyan), who stopped the offensive hostilities! And the enclave of Armenians in the middle of Azerbaijan will be easy to capture later, if they become very impudent ...

[Ganja]

All comparison in the world is relative, it is not surprising that the Armenians also fell victim to such comparisons and there is still self-confidence, by the way, the Armenians also had this feeling too transcendental, before writing these words I read an article about the "Military Insurance Fund" of Armenia which is looking for money for payments for 1300 officially killed (this is actually a few thousand) as well as wounded. Find money for war and always squint at the world, this was the case in the 70s and 80s of the 20th century, it is possible before, I just write about what I myself witnessed when money was collected in the Armenian church in the former Kiroabad and now Gadja to the war. It would be interesting to film all this on video and move in time and show them how the fundraising for the war ends from scratch and looks at the reactions, and in other matters, when in 1988 they started all this, one familiar Armenian old man who had passed through the Second World War said "Sonny for ours, these collections of money for the bandits will end badly "so the old man was right

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

We are in the know. The Nobel laureate Marquez wrote about this.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Alena-Baku

Do you know what she is famous for? Sapper shovels in Tbilisi in 1989.

You can't do that on purpose.

And only with shovels? And the fact that she saved and Azerbaijanis does not count? This is first, and secondly, tell me when did the soldiers have shoulder blades? medical commission, the cause of death of all but one of the victims was asphyxiation as a result of compression of the chest in the crowd. What kind of wrong paratroopers were, if we assume that among them were killed and wounded?

[NTD]

Quote: Alena-Baku

The 31st Ulyanovsk airborne assault brigade, which entered Karabakh as peacekeepers, is the former 104th Airborne Division

Don't write anything of your own. Copy only https://viking-nord.livejournal.com/29050027.html?utm_source=3userpost

This is the reality + NO status for Karabakh.

Tanya, you will not falsely propagandize here. This I promise you.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Alena-Baku

The 31st Ulyanovsk airborne assault brigade, which entered Karabakh as peacekeepers, is the former 104th Airborne Division

Don't write anything of your own. Copy only https://viking-nord.livejournal.com/29050027.html?utm_source=3userpost

This is the reality + NO status for Karabakh.
Tanya, you will not falsely propagandize here. This I promise you.

Do you see what yellow means? It also says: territories under the control of the Armenian forces. If we hadn't stopped and moved on, this yellow paint would not have been on the map.
What were you fighting for? Karabakh is Azerbaijan, we say. And in fact there is a shitty cloud of yellow paint.

[NTD]

Quote: Peter Rybak

Do you see what yellow means? It also says: territories under the control of the Armenian forces.

Armenian forces leave ALL KARABAKH and all 7 regions. This is 100% until the end of this year. The condition was that the Armenian soldier would not be in this territory.

[Vadim_888]

... The condition was that the Armenian soldier would not be in this territory.

Nothing is said about the militia

[NTD]

Quote: Vadim_888

Nothing is said about the militia

if nothing is said about the status of Karabakh, then the militia has nothing to do there.

[Vadim_888]

.
if nothing is said about the status of Karabakh, then the militia has nothing to do there

The militias have no status, they are just people with weapons in their hands

[NTD]

Quote: Vadim_888

The militias have no status, they are just people with weapons in their hands

Do you think that the Russian base in Lachin will allow Armenians to travel to Karabakh with weapons? I doubt it.

[72jora72]

Do you think that the Russian base in Lachin will allow Armenians to travel to Karabakh with weapons? I doubt it.

But you won't even be there. And by the way, our troops will also control the corridor to Nakhichevan ... there is something to think about, right?

[Azimuth]

You don’t understand who will control the corridor to Nakhichevan, the main thing is that they can safely transport cucumbers to the Baku and Russian markets

[Tatyana]

Quote: MTN

Tanya, you will not falsely propagandize here. This I promise you.

Well, you give, fake KGB school !!! Have you completely collapsed from an oak tree ?!
See who you are commenting on right now! You are commenting now not on me, but on Alena-Baku !!!

Quote: MTN

Quote: Alena-Baku
The 31st Ulyanovsk airborne assault brigade, which entered Karabakh as peacekeepers, is the former 104th Airborne Division

Tanya, you will not falsely propagandize here. This I promise you.

Honestly, you are probably sleeping with me in your arms in a dream !!! (Joke.)
For you seem to think only of me!
This is not good.

[Vadim_888]

... Do you think that the Russian base in Lachin will allow Armenians to travel to Karabakh with weapons?

military bases in Afghanistan did not prevent the spirits from carrying weapons along mountain paths

[Otshelnik]

When they need to and then they will be allowed ... in a word, they must prepare for another war ...

[Vadim237]

All the militias belonging to the forces of armenia must leave this territory.

[Nagaibak]

MTN "This is 100% by the end of this year. The condition was that there will be no Armenian soldiers in this territory."
Come on.))) They will call the Artsakh Defense Army some kind of militia, and that's the end of it.))) Pay attention to the Minsk agreements in Ukraine.))) Yes, Karabakh is in Azerbaijan, but Armenians have their own militia.))) On the other hand may dissolve their formations. But ... Russia will then be responsible for the safety of local Armenians. I don’t know what will be better for you.))) Or Russia, after all, may say, let's carry out demilitarization, leave small parts of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Karabakh, and withdraw the rest. Some say 5 years and all Russia will leave. then a hundred pounds of Armenians will not disarm. I think the conflict will be frozen. For a long time. And how much?))) If in three years only a road is built to bypass Shusha.))) And what will they build, what would then leave?))) In any case, Azerbaijan won. He won the minimum that Aliyev had outlined. For him and for the country, this is certainly a victory. Armenia has definitely lost. The Karabakh Armenians certainly won. Because they did not merge at once, they fought as best they could and with whatever they could. In the end, though thanks to Moscow, we have defended our republic, whether you like it or not. Most of the territory of the former NKR or the NKAO there remains for them. This is not a minus in any way. In the south, they lost villages and the Hadrut region, in my opinion. There it seemed (in the agreement) that they should conclude an agreement. Something that everyone will register in it, but negotiations can go on for another 30 years.))) I don't know that. The main thing ... no one will let the Karabakh Armenians be driven out of the territory of Karabakh. Russia in this will be supported by the same France. In any case, your victory will be neutralized by diplomacy. Iran, for example, strengthening Turkey there nafig is not necessary. And our airborne troops flew to Yerevan through Iran. Your politicians can always nod at Russia and say that they didn’t let us win.))) And Armenia too.))) And the Karabakh Armenians can only clap their hands and rejoice that everything has ended well, and not complete exile.) ))

[Vadim237]

But whatever you call them there, all armed persons will have to either leave the territory or disarm, and our peacekeepers and law enforcement agencies will be there as the police.

[Nagaibak]

Vadim237 "But whatever you call them there, all the armed men will have to either leave the territory or disarm, and our peacekeepers and law enforcement agencies will be there as militia."
And is it spelled out somewhere?))) Will the law enforcement agencies be Azerbaijani?)))

[Skarpzd]

Nagorno-Karabakh. The Kazan Formula for the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict was developed for more than 10 years at the initiative of Russia, with the active participation of President Medvedev. It is this formula that Russia has been proposing to Armenia and Azerbaijan for 10 years.

The leaderships of these countries agree with it by 95%, are ready to sign, but do not dare. Its meaning is a truce through mutual concessions. Moreover, the strength of the formula is that each country gets what it needs most.

1. Armenia transfers to Azerbaijan 7 regions around Nagorno-Karabakh. These areas are empty. From the very beginning they were captured by Armenia not for living, but as a security belt (they are mostly between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh) and the day of future exchange with Azerbaijan on the principle of “peace in exchange for land”. But if Armenia dreams of exchanging these regions for recognition of the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, then Russia realistically offered to exchange these regions for security.

2. Azerbaijan lifts all economic blockade from Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Turkey also lifts the blockade.

3. Azerbaijan leaves the areas transferred to it demilitarized.

4. The demilitarization of the border of Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan is being introduced.

5. Troops of neutral countries under the OSCE mandate are deployed along the border of Nagorno-Karabakh as a security guarantee.

6. Armenia retains under its control a part of the 7 transferred regions, namely 2 security corridors. Very wide. It is even possible that 2 out of 7 districts will act as corridors.

7. Nagorno-Karabakh receives a temporary status. Negotiations begin on its permanent status.

8. The final decision on the fate of Nagorno-Karabakh is passed on to the future generation. It is assumed that with some change in the situation, conditions will be created for solving the problem. For example, both Armenia and Azerbaijan can join the Eurasian Union together. And within its framework to agree. Or, as the EU thinks, to become a dependent periphery of the EU, like the Western Balkans. And then the EU will dictate to them the terms of the final compromise.

9. Other co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group, France and the United States, are not against this formula. In general, this is one of the few issues in the world where there is no tough confrontation between the EU and the US against Russia. While.

The implementation of this Kazan Formula may be the result of the September 2020 war. The leaders of both Azerbaijan and Armenia are ready for its implementation. Russia is insistently demanding that they sign. But in the societies of both countries there are radical nationalist sentiments that are not ready to accept any compromises. A small defeat on one side will make it easier for them to agree to a compromise.


really not very clear why they fought. in fact, practically all of the clauses behind the small current peace treaty were proposed a number of years ago. and then it was Azerbaijan in the person of Aliyev that refused to sign it !! I understand that the refusal was only for the sake of toga, what would now put a bunch of people ??? including his people ??? war for the sake of war or what ???

[NTD]

Karabakh will not belong to Armenians.

[carstorm 11]

are you cloned somewhere? why are you all climbing here? the segment of AZ sites does not attract what?)

[Peter rybak]

Quote: carstorm 11

are you cloned somewhere? why are you all climbing here? the segment of AZ sites does not attract what?)

Go to hell. They forgot to ask you. An article about Karabakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan. So they are discussing. What have you forgotten here?

[Vadim_888]

... What have you forgotten here?

Syrian Jehadis on the border with Dagestan

[carstorm 11]

oh how))) you may be the guardians of these territories, what have you listed? bots have already gotten tired of these days. breed like cockroaches.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

You can't do that on purpose.

..Yes, about the shoulder blades, for sure, you can't figure it out on purpose .. I especially remember the tearful story told on TV, how a paratrooper soldier chased his grandmother for two blocks to hit her with her spatula ... I caught her and chopped her into pieces, and the "victim" herself was telling. Left - crunch, in half! That's what these shoulder blades are doing!

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Alena-Baku

Yes, the land he is right Azerbaijan did not win. The 31st Ulyanovsk airborne assault brigade, which entered Karabakh as peacekeepers, is the former 104th Airborne Division.

Do you know what she is famous for? Sapper shovels in Tbilisi in 1989.
You can't do that on purpose.

I have been talking about this from the very first day, when the agreement was signed. I had to go to the end. There was very little left. And now the Armenians will gain strength. They left a viper for them, in which they would gather like snakes. Azerbaijan lost the diplomatic war. Who shot down the helicopter? Or the Turks or Russia itself. Aliev went to the end. If Azerbaijan cleared Karabakh, no peacekeepers would be needed there - neither Russians nor Turkish. So think about who would benefit from shooting down the helicopter. Of all the interested parties, only Azerbaijan lost in this case.

[Guards turn]

The downed helicopter is a verified special operation, primarily of the British special services, leading the military-terrorist armada (Turkey, Azerbaijan, ISIS fighters and other groups) fighting against Artsakh. Its goal is to undermine Russia's military authority. Both on the foreign policy scene and within the country. A stream has already poured from the Azerbaijani-Turkish NEXTA about the weakness of Russia, about the fact that Russia will not be able to respond to an unprecedented challenge, which in military language is a provocation that calls for military aggression. Yes, the same Casus belli.
Russia will not and should not respond fussy, quickly, for the sake of everyday emotions, no matter how violent they may be. Russia is a huge, powerful, nuclear power that will undoubtedly take retaliatory measures. But not flaunting, not threatening, not fussing. The measure of the effectiveness of these measures will not be YouTube videos, but the achievement of our military-political goals in the South Caucasus and the emasculation of Turkey's imperial ambitions.
Do not think that the most powerful military and foreign intelligence on earth (the GRU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation) is dumber than you and me ... Everything is just beginning!

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Guards turn

The downed helicopter is a verified special operation, primarily of the British special services, leading the military-terrorist armada (Turkey, Azerbaijan, ISIS fighters and other groups) fighting against Artsakh.
Do not think that the most powerful military and foreign intelligence on earth (the GRU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation) is dumber than you and me ... Everything is just beginning!

Artsakh no longer exists. And for all my love for the country, we do not have the most powerful military and foreign intelligence on earth. One of them - for sure, but not the most.

[Guards turn]

26 years later, our military returned to Karabakh, and the FSB took control of the Armenian-Iranian border for the Nakhichevan corridor, creating a lever for Azerbaijan, Pashinyan was disgraced, and Turkey received nothing.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Guards turn

26 years later, our military returned to Karabakh, and the FSB took control of the Armenian-Iranian border for the Nakhichevan corridor, creating a lever for Azerbaijan, Pashinyan was disgraced, and Turkey received nothing.

Well, thank God. I'm happy about that. They returned, control, create leverage, dishonor and give nothing. This is all great. Especially we control the borders so powerfully that the Chinese stick out of all the holes. And do not forget that corruption has not been canceled in our country. For a couple of bakhshishes, a group of peacekeepers will happily turn away so that someone can carry something. If I was so confident in the power of the modern Russian army, in the sincerity and purity of the goals of our government, I would be the first to say that Russia executed Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. But in fact, Armenia managed to drag Russia into the war. Mark my words when our boys begin to die.

[Guards turn]

What do we have:
1. The war is stopped (!), Who is attentive.
2. Armenia is saved from defeat. 3. NKR remains to live in most of its borders, and remains Armenian, for a minute. The indefatigable Turkey was temporarily pushed aside, Erdogan was shown who is in charge in the region.
5. Aliyev is now forced to walk along the edge of the abyss, and Saakashvili's ashes are pounding in his heart. Any provocation will cause him a heart attack. 6. Pashinyan will be removed one way or another. 7. Russia gets a second military base in the Armenian Highlands, which is often confused in the Caucasus, this time on the formal territory of Azerbaijan, which is simply amazing.
8. There are prospects for a negotiated settlement of statuses, corridors and borders.
9. Sorosyatnki there now for some time definitely no place. 10. The entry of Armenia and Georgia into NATO was again disrupted. 11. Aliyev was given the opportunity to gracefully imitate the Turkish embrace, the danger of which he himself perfectly understands. 12. The EU has clearly shown everyone that they can't do a damn thing. 13. Putin showed that this is exactly what he can do.

[Peter rybak]

Quote: Guards turn

What do we have:
1. The war is stopped (!), Who is attentive.
2. Armenia is saved from defeat. 3. NKR remains to live in most of its borders, and remains Armenian, for a minute. The indefatigable Turkey was temporarily pushed aside, Erdogan was shown who is in charge in the region.
5. Aliyev is now forced to walk along the edge of the abyss, and Saakashvili's ashes are pounding in his heart. Any provocation will cause him a heart attack. 6. Pashinyan will be removed one way or another. 7. Russia gets a second military base in the Armenian Highlands, which is often confused in the Caucasus, this time on the formal territory of Azerbaijan, which is simply amazing.
8. There are prospects for a negotiated settlement of statuses, corridors and borders.
9. Sorosyatnki there now for some time definitely no place. 10. The entry of Armenia and Georgia into NATO was again disrupted. 11. Aliyev was given the opportunity to gracefully imitate the Turkish embrace, the danger of which he himself perfectly understands. 12. The EU has clearly shown everyone that they can't do a damn thing. 13. Putin showed that this is exactly what he can do.

Something you did not write anything about the corridor through Armenia to Nakhichevan? But it has been agreed with Russia. As we understand, Nakhichevan is Azerbaijan, which directly borders with Turkey. And then half of the layouts given by you turns into zilch. Well, maybe the pluses of loving readers

[MBRSS]

7. Russia receives ... a second military base ... - on the formal territory of Azerbaijan ...

do we need SUCH base? Where there is only enough personnel and equipment to control the border and the corridor. A full-fledged base, with heavy weapons, air defense, etc. all the same they will not be allowed to create. In addition, losses are possible in minor skirmishes with one and the other side. Besides, who will support it? Is Russia out of pocket again?

13. Putin showed that this is exactly what he can do.

Putin, Lavrov and others need to think ahead, and not run in the tail of events. We will not save enough for all the conflicts of the peacekeepers.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Peter Rybak

we do not have the most powerful military and foreign intelligence on earth. One of them - for sure, but not the most.

yes, powerful. Judging by the fact that no one has ever heard of her. In general, I think that a person who has heard the phrase "Azerbaijani intelligence" needs (after he laughs it off) to explain what "Azerbaijani" is.

[NTD]

Quote: Peter Rybak

And now the Armenians will gain strength.

what shishi? where will people get? technique?

Quote: Peter Rybak

If Azerbaijan cleared Karabakh, no peacekeepers would be needed there - neither Russians nor Turkish.

Do you think the Kremlin would agree? Here again 2 levers remained, only Armenians and Azerbaijanis changed places.

[Vadim_888]

... Azerbaijan lost in this case.

Russia lost, now it will have to equip a disposable military base, run through the mountains to catch the jihadists who will climb the remaining Armenians to slaughter, plus wage a mine war like in Afghanistan with the same relief, plus build a road in the mountains around Shushi. It was cheaper to plow Arzebayjan after the second violation of the ceasefire regime with calibers, at the same time there would be a signal to Erdogan what would happen if drones approached Gyumri

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alena-Baku

Do you know what she is famous for? Sapper shovels in Tbilisi in 1989.

and you are probably the "old woman" whom the paratrooper drove five kilometers, drove into the bushes and there hacked to death with a sapper shovel ?!

[Daniil Konovalenko]

drove into the bushes and there hacked to death with a sapper shovel ?!.... No, they drove her into the entrance courtyard, as it was in the interview ... And there ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

well, the point is that either the grandmother was not a grandmother or the paratrooper was not a paratrooper, but for some reason I had a memory about the bushes

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Postponed, postponed ..

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

drove into the bushes and there hacked to death with a sapper shovel ?!.... No, they drove her into the entrance courtyard, as it was in the interview ... And there ..

Like our grandmother, poor old lady
Seven parasites
Took away the honor
Ei Totz pervertorts
Grandma is healthy
Ets Torts Pervertorts
Eats compote
Etz tots pervertots
And wishes again
Ets Torts pervertorts
Survive the raid (s)

[Skarpzd]

... and there ... and then she came there every evening in the hope of repeating)))

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

.No, she was driven into the entrance courtyard, as it was in the interview ... And there ..

And there, like in that thug song about a grandmother who eats compote and dreams of surviving a raid again

[raki-uzo]

Not all details of the agreement have been announced. We will have contact with Azerbaijan (common road). This is a big plus. We will learn about other details over time.

[Nagaibak]

Alena-Baku "Do you know what she is famous for? Sapper blades in Tbilisi in 1989."
This is not what she is famous for.))) And the fact that she was in KIROVOBAD or Ganja - and it was called - the 104th Guards Airborne Order of Kutuzov Division. And among the people it was called Kirovadskaya.))) Its parts were still in Shamkhor. In general, I almost returned home.))) Apparently V.V. Putin joked.)))

[Machito]

Azerbaijan and Armenia are dissatisfied, Russia did not let them defeat each other, otherwise they would have reached Berlin and Tokyo.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: MTN

It comes from your words that Azerbaijan did not win to the end. What has Azerbaijan lost?

Everything will be fine. Don't worry. Russia cannot allow the victory of the pro-Turkish [Azerbaijani] forces, it cannot allow [create] a victory for Pashinyan either. Moreover, the presence of the armed forces of Iran, Kurds, the United States, Britain must not be allowed. (Yakov Kedmi)

[NTD]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Russia cannot allow the victory of the pro-Turkish [Azerbaijani] forces,

the Azerbaijani flag is in Shusha) And you will not be allowed)))) Storytellers)

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: MTN

the Azerbaijani flag is in Shusha) And you will not be allowed)))) Storytellers)

For God's sake, who is against it, does this change something from what I have quoted? Hang out, walk, celebrate. Russia has something else important. Moreover, she offered to give Azerbaijan even more, as you remember, on condition of peaceful coexistence of peoples.

[NTD]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Subject to the peaceful coexistence of peoples.

Armenians cannot exist peacefully. History has shown this in Kars in Turkey and in Javakheti in Georgia and in Karabakh. Armenians cannot live independently and never will. They will always be in this region under Russia. Whether they like it or not.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: MTN

Armenians cannot exist peacefully.

Only against you, like you too. We must break this circle, otherwise you will pull us along with you.

[NTD]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Only against you, just like you too.

against us? And Kars in Turkey? And Javakheti in Georgia?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Mar. Tira

(Jacob Kedmi)

I cannot help but admire how the first-channel kibbutz, represented by all the Satanovsky-Solovyovs, incorporated this old Jew, who was left out of business, into the Russian media space. They obsessively presented him as "the head of the Israeli special service" (!), Who is "about everyone and everything," and now the butts are looking into his mouth - an oracle! Doesn't speak, but broadcasts.

[Pavlos Melas]

It comes from your words that Azerbaijan did not win to the end. What has Azerbaijan lost?

Azerbaijan did not lose but did not gain full control of the territory. There are now foreign troops on your territory. If your army took Stepanokert, then there would be no reason for the peacekeepers. Most likely, Aliyev did not go to storm Stepanakert for political reasons.

[Alexander Romanov]

Based on comments on Armenian websites, Russia saved Azerbaijan
So Omar you're in luck

The stopped war is the result and victory of the Armenian soldier, army and people. The plans of the actors who initiated the war, including the centers of power, were completely different. However, they were overthrown by the Armenian people - on the local arena of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation, the regional arena of confrontation, the regional centers of power and the geopolitical arena. The entire burden of maintaining peace in Armenia, the region and the world fell on the shoulders of the Armenian soldier and people, and he coped. Glory to the Armenian soldier and people.
The Armenian army was supposed to launch a counter-offensive in the next 1-2 days, once again stopped by Russia in order to avoid the catastrophe of Azerbaijan and its disappearance from the map

[NTD]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So Omar you're in luck

Yes, I know))))) I've read it already.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The Armenian army was supposed to launch a counter-offensive in the next 1-2 days, once again stopped by Russia in order to avoid the catastrophe of Azerbaijan and its disappearance from the map

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, Russia saved Azerbaijan
So Omar you're in luck

Saved?
I think Azerbaijan has won in full.
Mountain Karabakh nobody needs a fuck, then report back for the refugees, etc.
Now - surrounded on all sides by Karabakh with Shushi hanging over the Stepanokert in the hands of Baku, and most importantly - land transfers to Nakhichevan - something that Azerbaijan would never have received if it had captured the entire Karabakh 10 times.
Land communication with Nakhichevan (and therefore Turkey) costs 10000 Stepanokerts

[Alexander Romanov]

Nobody needs Karabakh at all, except Margo Simonyan, but she's in the kitchen.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: atalef

I think Azerbaijan has won in full.

I don't think so.
The only one who won in this situation is Russia.
In the center of Transcaucasia, in a place that borders on five states, another Russian military base appears, in addition to Ossetia.
The fact that Armenia agreed to this is understandable.
And that's why Aliyev took this step, perhaps in the hope of Erdogan, but not as a counterweight to Russia.

[Herman 4223]

Why Aliyev did this is also understandable.
Corridor to Nakhichevan times. The war ended two, because it is not a fact that there were two days left and everything would most likely drag on for another couple of weeks or more, and after the victory, partisanship for years. Armenians will not feel at ease knowing that our peacekeepers in five years may leave the region and they will be left with bare hands against Azerbaijan. Many will leave there for three. In the future, the remaining part of Karabakh will come under full control of Azerbaijan, and without a lot of blood, that's four.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Herman 4223

Armenians will not feel comfortable knowing that our peacekeepers may leave the region in five years

Peacekeepers do not come in to leave, and this turns into a permanent military base with the ability to influence the policies of these states.
1992 years, the Russian peacekeeping forces were brought into the zone of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict. FROM 2009 The 7th joint military base of the Russian armed forces is based in Abkhazia.
1993 peacekeeping forces, which became the basis for maintaining peace in Tajikistan. The 201st motorized rifle division was included in the structure and the 201st Russian military base was created on its basis in Tajikistan.
In Transnistria in 1992 year, the use of the 14th Army as a peacekeeping force. Currently, the peacekeeping forces include 402 Russian servicemen.
As a result of all the conflicts that occur in the post-Soviet space, Russia wins, leaving its military bases in these territories.
For this, I wrote, it is not clear why Aliyev needs this, he is a very competent and strong politician. Maybe he knows what we don't know.

[Herman 4223]

The peacekeepers will be there by agreement if Armenia or Azerbaijan do not mind. If they need to, the agreement can be terminated. Maybe they will stay there for a couple of decades, I do not argue. But you can't know for sure. And the cost of a mistake for Armenians in Karabakh is high.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Herman 4223

The peacekeepers will be there by agreement if Armenia or Azerbaijan do not mind.

I agree with the theory, but what we have in practice today does not quite coincide with your theory.

[Herman 4223]

Yes, I do not dispute that the peacekeepers there can stay for fifty years instead of five, I mean that the people who live in Karabakh, they cannot be sure of this for sure. If you yourself lived in a place where there is a prospect that in a few years you can be deprived of everything, and your children are growing, would you not try to move to a quieter place?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Herman 4223

If you yourself lived in a place where there is a prospect that in a few years you can be deprived of everything

That's not what I wrote about.
Over time, peacekeepers turn into military bases, with a pronounced military and political bias in one direction.

[Herman 4223]

And I wrote about it from the very beginning.

[Nagaibak]

atalef "Now it is surrounded from all sides by Karabakh from Shushi."
In fact, the military significance of Shushi is greatly exaggerated.)))
Is the land corridor to Nakhichevan under the control of Russian border guards?)) This is of course also good.))) And about the importance of the passage to Nakhichevan for the economies of Azerbaijan and Turkey, I agree with you.
atalef "Nobody needs a fuck about Mountain Karabakh, then report back for the refugees, etc.".
This is also true.))) But the Armenians in fact remain inhabited territory.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Glory to the Armenian soldier and people.
The Armenian army was supposed to launch a counter-offensive in the next 1-2 days, once again stopped by Russia in order to avoid the catastrophe of Azerbaijan and its disappearance from the map

This is the turn that we smoke?

[Alexander Romanov]

All sorts of garbage running around the Armenian forums. Better not try, otherwise the defeat of the Turkish army will be obvious. Although Aliyev was not taken prisoner, and that's okay

[NTD]

Quote: atalef

This is the turn that we smoke?

Along the way, the Armenians smoked it)

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: MTN

Quote: atalef

This is the turn that we smoke?

Along the way, the Armenians smoked it)

trembita ???))

[d4rkmesa]

There must be some kind of legend for domestic consumption.

[210ox]

What have you lost? Nagorno-Karabakh, within the borders controlled by the Armenians.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: MTN

It comes from your words that Azerbaijan did not win to the end. What has Azerbaijan lost?

Freedom. In terms of geopolitics, you have acquired, as a minimum of ill-wishers, Russia, no more than half of Europe, Iran, the United States, etc. Well, we bought a couple of thousand square kilometers of mountains. And the position of the main tailings carrier in Turkey. No, if you are satisfied with the role of tobacco, not even with a sherkhan, but with a slightly eaten hyena, then there are no questions, everything is fine. But if you hope that you have retained independence, not only formal, but also real ... Then this is already a doctor's office, because this is clearly in the hallucination section.

[Petro_tut]

a minimum of ill-wishers - Russia, no matter how much more than half of Europe, Iran, the USA, etc.

"A donkey unloaded with gold will take any impregnable fortress" -Phillip ll

[venik]

Quote: MTN

It comes from your words that Azerbaijan did not win to the end. What has Azerbaijan lost?

======
The question is not what I LOST, but what I DID NOT ACHIEVE !! And not achieved - the MAIN goal is the complete restoration of control over ALL territories, including ALL Nagorno-Karabakh!

[parma]

Quote: Livonetc

"There is an opinion in Azerbaijan that politicians did not allow the final victory in Karabakh"
Aliyev showed that he has a pragmatic mind.
Otherwise, Azerbaijan would turn into a pariah accused of genocide.

From a complete victory, there would be too many problems for the winners themselves - there is a high probability of rampant ethnic cleansing and other "joys", even without instructions from above, the intensity of passions was too high, and this is not necessary for the leadership of Azerbaijan, because it can entail serious consequences on the world stage ... At the same time, the complete defeat of Armenia makes an alliance with Turkey less necessary for Azerbaijan, which does not play into the hands of the first ... in the end, winter is on the nose, and fighting in the mountains at this time is not sugar ... in general, it is quite logical to turn everything out so, now the disarmament of the Armenians and their good behavior is exclusively our duty ... well, you can finish off in five years, there is enough time for preparation, and we can be made guilty ...

[NTD]

Quote: parma

At the same time, the complete defeat of Armenia makes an alliance with Turkey less necessary for Azerbaijan.

There will be a defeat there will be no defeat .... there are military agreements between Turkey and Azerbaijan. What are you talking about?

[Essex62]

Finish off in five years? Do you think the Russian Federation will withdraw its troops from Karabakh during this period?

[parma]

Quote: Essex62

Finish off in five years? Do you think the Russian Federation will withdraw its troops from Karabakh during this period?

According to the agreement, either side must notify at least 6 months in advance that it requires the withdrawal of the peacekeepers and that's it ... Russia will have to remove the peacekeepers, in this matter our country is powerless ...

[Petro_tut]

Russia will have to remove the peacekeepers, in this matter our country is powerless ...

under Putin it is

[Essex62]

We will send them with their demand. Crimea has long been demanding, and what? The Armenians are only happy that they covered themselves with Russian bayonets. Well, there are also levers with Azeris. It is impossible to let the Turks into the Caucasus, even the current Kremlin residents understand that.

[parma]

Quote: Essex62

We will send them with their demand. Crimea has long been demanding, and what? The Armenians are only happy that they covered themselves with Russian bayonets. Well, there are also levers with Azeris. It is impossible to let the Turks into the Caucasus, even the current Kremlin residents understand that.

In Crimea, we are the power / administration / masters / occupiers (choose the words as you like) and control OVERALLY ALL the lives of ordinary citizens ... in Karabakh there are guests and no more, we have taken on the responsibility of leaving if someone is against ... As for the Turks, they are already there ... and will be there regardless of our wishes ...

[Essex62]

Wait and see.

[Rubina]

I agree with you completely. The backbone of the Azerbaijani army is the children of refugees and veterans of the first Karabakh war. For them, when entering a military school, there are benefits and their motivation is stronger. The government's policy is to treat the civilian population humanely. Azerbaijan deliberately did not fire at civilian objects, unlike the Armenians, who did it on purpose and their leadership did not hesitate to talk about it. Here are the rounded figures: casualties of the Armenian civilian population in the combat zone killed 50, wounded 100, Azeri outside the combat zone killed 92, wounded 400. What can you say? Barbarians.
Therefore, we were very much afraid of how the soldier would behave in the Armenian village, whose mother was killed in Khojaly before his eyes 30 years ago, or his sister was killed in the bombing of Ganja today. They will do it, then the whole country will not be washed away. And so it is more reliable. Armenians will not live in Karabakh. They know what they've done. These 5 years are needed so that they have time to collect their things and settle in a new place.

[Civil]

Even as Azerbaijan won together with Turkey. After the withdrawal of the Armenian army from Karabakh, which of the Armenians will live there without rights to anything and prospects.

[sergey32]

Aliyev did everything right. If he pressed on Karabakh, he would have to constantly answer questions about the expelled Armenian population. Armenian Diasporais would raise the issue of a new genocide. It would be necessary to keep a large group of troops on the border with Armenia. There would be no question of a corridor to Nakhichevan. I think that Azerbaijan has suffered significant losses both in personnel and materiel. It takes time to replenish them.

[NTD]

Quote: sergey32

Aliyev did everything right. If he pressed on Karabakh, he would have to constantly answer questions about the expelled Armenian population.

Yes, you are right, but the Armenians are not fools either, they remember how and by what method they expelled Azerbaijanis from their ancestral lands, therefore they fled from Shushi 5-7 more days. And there are not many Armenians left in Khankyandi either.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Livonetc

Aliyev showed that he has a pragmatic mind.

No victory in Karabakh would give a corridor to Nakhichevan, and then to Turkey. This is what Erdogan needs for further expansion into Central Asia and both countries for economic development. And this is in exchange for an impoverished territory, with enemies, surrounded from all sides by Azerbaijan. Well, all that remains is to clap the Turkish-Azerbaijani coalition.
For Russia, this is the best option from the worst, nothing more.

[Nagaibak]

OgnennyiKotik "This is what Erdogan needs for further expansion into Central Asia."
In my opinion, the Turks themselves do not believe in the great Turan.)))

[OgnennyiKotik]

They believe in bashish. To become a bridge between Asia and Europe is a huge bash.

[Nagaibak]

OgnennyiKotik "They believe in bashish."
The economic moment is interesting to everyone.))) Turkey cannot be overestimated as well as underestimated. They will not be able to pull now. This is far from Germany, according to its capabilities))). our baits in the post-Soviet space generally don't care about their ideas. They have their own ideas. All maps are drawn with their historical borders.))) The Germans tried to create a united Turanian army from prisoners))). It all ended so. that among the prisoners there were underground communist cells.))) The question of who will obey whom among the Turkic peoples is not idle. I can't imagine Kazakhs, and even more so Kazan Tatars running errands for the Turks.)))

[Lech from Android.]

The Azerbadzians staged dances and car races on the streets of our cities, this does not go into any gates. None of them even apologized for our killed pilots. It's too disgusting.

[NTD]

Quote: Lech from Android.

None of them even apologized for our killed pilots.

The President of Azerbaijan apologized and the official Foreign Ministry, and I also apologize for the scrap error, because of which pilots Roman and Yuri died. I am very sorry and deepest condolences, and as President Aliyev said, there will be compensation. Although there is no such wealth in the world that will replace these guys.

And the proceedings are in progress ........... and the perpetrators will be punished and the Russian side will be notified.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Azerbadzhans staged dances and car races on the streets of our cities

This is a great victory for Azerbaijanis. We have been waiting for this day for 30 years. I hope for your understanding.

[Magadan]

You know, you might be sorry.

But we would be quite satisfied with an apology from Azerbaijan in the form of a couple of dispersed military bases of Azerbaijan.
But alas, today is your holiday on the street.
So far your
While Putin is in power and there are still enough people in Russia with brainwash.
So rejoice .... bye

[NTD]

Quote: Magadan

But we would be quite satisfied with an apology from Azerbaijan in the form of a couple of dispersed military bases of Azerbaijan.
But alas, today is your holiday on the street.
So far your

and for January 1990 we forgave. And there are not 2 people but specifically the people fell.

Quote: Magadan

So rejoice .... bye

WHAT DID YOU LEAVE THAT I AM RIGHT IN THE DEATH OF THE PILOTS? Here's why?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Magadan

But we would be quite satisfied with an apology from Azerbaijan in the form of a couple of dispersed military bases of Azerbaijan.
But alas, today is your holiday on the street.
So far your

It seems that Leshka is from Magadan from Armenia ...
This explains his tantrum ...

[NTD]

Quote: Nasr

It seems that Leshka from Magadan comes from Armenia ...

A lot of Armenians sit on forums like Russians and write provocative articles and comments. I would not be surprised if Leshka suddenly becomes Ashot in real life.

[atalef]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Magadan

But we would be quite satisfied with an apology from Azerbaijan in the form of a couple of dispersed military bases of Azerbaijan.
But alas, today is your holiday on the street.
So far your

It seems that Leshka is from Magadan from Armenia ...
This explains his tantrum ...

Magadan has been hysterical for many years for any reason. North - avitaminosis

[Lech from Android.]

I hope that the trial will be objective and complete ... Let's see how much Aliyev will keep his word based on its results.

[NTD]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I hope that the trial will be objective and complete ... Let's see how much Aliyev will keep his word based on its results.

I agree. I really hope that the Azerbaijani side will investigate in detail and send a detailed response to Russia with all the ensuing consequences.

[Petro_tut]

as President Aliyev said, there will be compensation.

I hope that the families of the victims will receive compensation directly and not through the Russian budget, otherwise people will get a penny

[Magadan]

Now putinoids will justify everything for you, do not worry
Well, or write "himself" instead of justification :)

Well, or they will write that this is "a trifle / detail that should not be paid attention to."

[Alexander Romanov]

Anyone who has a different opinion immediately falls into the list of putinoids. They say this is not from great intelligence.

[Rubina]

Let me translate your words into a more understandable situation for you and you will evaluate it yourself. May 9, 1945 Russian emigrants in Paris celebrate their victory. The Frenchman says they arranged songs and dances here. It's disgusting. But yesterday Russian soldiers in Berlin shot two Frenchmen, mistaking them for Germans. What do you think?

Kingdom of Heaven for the lost pilots. They gave their lives to save thousands of Azerbaijani and Armenian soldiers. Thank them for that. And that was the risk the Russian leadership took. Is it not clear that Russia sent the peacekeepers BEFORE the agreement was signed to save Stepanakert? Azerbaijani troops would have taken Stepanakert overnight. Our soldiers had no idea that this was a Russian plane, they thought the Armenians wanted to attack, so they shot it down. After the downed plane, it was impossible to hide the advance of the column. That's why they signed the agreement at 3 am. It is a pity for the pilots, but the blame for their death lies with the Azerbaijan and the Russian side.

[NTD]

Quote: Rubina

Is it not clear that Russia sent the peacekeepers BEFORE the agreement was signed to save Stepanakert?

I am more than sure that Russia wants to leave the levers of influence and on this from 1 to the last patron everything has been discussed. In detail. Russian peacekeepers have been waiting for an order for a long time in the "ready" mode.

[Nagaibak]

MTN "everything has been discussed. In detail. Russian peacekeepers have been waiting for an order in" ready "mode for a long time."
This is most likely the case.

[NTD]

What do you mean not allowed? There is no longer such a name as Artsakh. There is no word in the agreement about the status of Karabakh. Even Aliyev himself confirmed this.

During his video message, Aliyev noted that the signed document does not contain a word about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh.

“This paper contains not a word about the status of Nagorno-Karabakh. Well, Pashinyan? Where is your status? Your status has gone to hell. There is no status, and will not be. This is a part of Azerbaijan, ”he said.

Azerbaijan will not leave Shushi. And the Armenian troops will leave Karabakh by December 1. What else does? And Khankyandi, yes there will have to live with the Armenians together (perhaps) that's where peacekeepers are needed, and not just in the Lachin corridor. If anything, it will be difficult to prove who killed Vazgen or who killed Vazgen. The Armenians, given their rallies, may go for provocations. And with this they will substitute Russia. I don't even know how Putin will punish them later.

[Nagaibak]

MTN "And Khankyandi, there you will have to live with the Armenians together (perhaps) that's where peacekeepers are needed, and not just in the Lachin corridor."
I think there will be no Azerbaijanis in Stepanakert from a word with everything. (They will kill each other there - yours with the Armenians) There is a map where the observation posts of the Russian army are marked. Northern sector, southern sector. And so on.
But an interesting moment in the 19th century, mainly Russians lived in Khankendi.))) From the wiki ... The population of Khankendi, which was formed from retired soldiers and their descendants, consisted of the Russian Orthodox faith. In 1886 there were 52 houses in the settlement. The population was engaged in agriculture, as well as various crafts, carriage, renting apartments to the military, etc. [28] According to the data of the Transcaucasian Statistical Committee, extracted from the family lists for 1886, 71 smoke and 279 inhabitants were recorded in Khankendy, of which 276 were Russians, 2 Armenians and 1 Tatar (that is, an Azerbaijani), who are Orthodox, Armenian Gregorian and Muslim by religion. Sunni "Source: A set of statistical data on the population of the Transcaucasian region, extracted from the family lists of 1886. - Tiflis, 1893.

[Nastia makarova]

YES, this is VICTORY for Russia. Yes, Putin is great))))))

[Magadan]

Quote: Magadan

Azerbaijan shot down a Russian helicopter on the day of their victory over Karabakh, without receiving any response from Russia

So, according to Nastya:

Quote: Nastia Makarova

YES, this is VICTORY for Russia. Yes, Putin is great))))))

Bravo!
Nastya, you vote for United Russia and for Putin, right?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Magadan

Bravo!
Nastya, you vote for United Russia and for Putin, right?

Well, in fact, she's right. A big uncle came and prescribed fatherly bream for everyone. It was over instantly. Although I am not for Putin, it looks exactly like this from the outside. Or do you think that Erdogan handed out the bream?

[Nastia makarova]

I have never voted for Edro, but always before Putin, except for the last time

[Archivist Vasya]

Why besides the last time? Putin is what he was and remained unchanged. No?

[Nastia makarova]

the last time I didn't go at all, but of course I changed, I became what an oldish, indecisive

[Alexander Romanov]

Magadan, did you last undergo a medical examination for a long time?

[Dude]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

YES, this is VICTORY for Russia. Yes, Putin is great))))))

No matter how you say halva ...
The Sultan is now in Transcaucasia with his women. Yes, victory is what you need ...

[Essex62]

This happened before. When Aliyev and the Sultan got involved. And Putin could not prevent this in any way. As soon as the steel wall of the USSR collapsed, the process began along the entire perimeter of our borders. How to keep it? The entry of the outskirts into the Empire is based on a carrot and a stick, neither of which is in the power of the Russian Federation.

[Dude]

And Putin could not prevent this in any way.

And Putin, in general, can interfere with something? Judging by what I see, very few people already take him seriously. Maybe it's time to rest? They shot down our helicopter - they just wiped our feet on us. And in response - silence.

[Essex62]

Well, he prevented the full penetration of the Sultan into the Caucasus. Although this is a half measure. Our men will have a hard time on the line of separation, hating Armenians and Azeris.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

YES, this is VICTORY for Russia. Yes, Putin is great

I wonder where? A detailed answer is desirable, and not shouts of Hurray!

[Nastia makarova]

he asked just to write))))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

he asked just to write

Putting downsides is good, but I would like to know what is the epic victory of the Russian Federation and Putin personally? It is desirable to be expanded and with arguments. Minus is opinion, but argument is so-so.

[Nastia makarova]

what are the cons? I didn’t talk about Putin’s victory, I just wrote

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

what are the cons?

Yes there is .. Well that is not yours.

Quote: Nastia Makarova

I didn’t talk about Putin’s victory, I just wrote

Who cares?
Say it or write it ..

YES, this is VICTORY for Russia. Yes, Putin is great))))))

[Nastia makarova]

yes, they put me in batches of cons too

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

yes, they put me in batches of cons too

This is not the point.

[Nastia makarova]

and in what then?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

and in what then?

And I already wrote earlier.

[Brands]

What did you want? That Putin is to blame for this? Under his domination, the war has been put to an end and peace has been concluded, is that not enough?
I wonder how many Armenians will remain in Karabakh and in their former capital, Khankyandy?

[Magadan]

Quote: Merkit

What did you want? That Putin is to blame for this?

The fact that the Azeri shot down our helicopter, and Russia has no response, is all the norm right?
At the same time, even Iran had eggs to beat the US bases in Iraq.
That is, this tolerance is normal for Russia? Truth?

And Putin is not to blame. Pushkin is probably to blame. Well, or "damned commies" at worst.

Clearly, soon as if homosexuals will start marching through the streets with us and pedophiles will be legalized.

[Brands]

What are you suffering about, monsieur, is still not clear. All were gathered in a heap of Putin, pedophiles and homosexuals, are you sick of the case?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Merkit

What are you suffering about, monsieur, is still not clear.

The man is from Armenia ... that explains his hysteria ..

[Servisinzhener]

Quote: Magadan

The fact that the Azeri shot down our helicopter, and Russia has no response, is all the norm right?

Well, anyway ... The Azerbaijani army took control of half of the territory occupied by the Armenians. It was located several kilometers from Stepanokert. With the prospect of occupying the capital of NKR in the near future, and then taking control of the entire remaining territory. And then it was as if someone pulled the brake valve.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Magadan

Soon, for sure, homosexuals will start marching through the streets

Not surprisingly, Stalin sent all the homosexuals to Magadan. So there will be nothing strange about it

[Nagaibak]

Magadan "The fact that the Azeri shot down our helicopter, and Russia has no response, is it okay?"
It seems to me it's not they, but the Turks. They wanted to frustrate the agreements and were afraid to see. And the Azerbaijanis took it upon themselves.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Merkit

I wonder how many Armenians will remain in Karabakh and in their former capital, Khankyandy?

And in fact - Russia has another military base ... and everyone agrees with its location ... And the Turkish military were in Azerbaijan and before the exacerbation of the situation, almost on a permanent basis, including aviation ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nasr

And in fact, Russia has another military base ...

A silly question (according to some, probably) I want to ask you, even two. Why Second Base? What is its tactical value?

[Horon]

If the "grateful" Armenians under the slogan "Armenia and Europe" drive the Russian military out of their territory, then Russia will still have a military base in the Caucasus. Or someone doubts that the Armenians are asleep and see how to drive the Russian military out of their territory. Moreover, they had such moods even before the arrival of Pashinyan.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Horon

If the "grateful" Armenians under the slogan "Armenia and Europe" drive the Russian military out of their territory, then Russia will still have a military base in the Caucasus.

This option is quite possible, but what is the tactical component of this base? After all, she really cannot resist there to anyone. Not numerically, not by weapons, not by friendly peoples, not by communications, finally. And strategically I don't see a long-term perspective. Well, now it looks cool, peacekeepers came and everyone stopped. So? The importance of Turkey looks more impressive there and will increase. Azerbaijan has long been under Turkish influence, and now it simply openly declares that they are brothers and generally one people. Turkey, with the help of Azerbaijan and its hands (the fashionable word hybrid war), defeated Armenia, took away most of Karabakh (which is recognized as Azerbaijani territory). Continuous image (and military) victories of Turkey. A Russian helicopter was shot down, the guys were killed, shot down in a completely different direction from the hostilities, shot down on Armenian territory. So what? Did you just apologize? It turns out you can shoot down, kill and just apologize? Whose image losses and gains are these? Well, now there will be about 2000 guys with not the strongest weapons, what will they be able to oppose if hostilities start against them? Or will they apologize again and that's it? And it doesn't matter which side it will be, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Armenia. This is IMHO. What am I wrong? It is desirable with arguments.

[Horon]

You have expressed your own opinion where some of the arguments are indisputable, some are far-fetched. But talking about the net losses of Russia is meaningless, since Russia in general could not take a step there without losing one. Azerbaijan was huddled by Turkey in the first war in Karabakh and there it was already firmly entrenched. Lately, Armneia has also shown itself as not the most reliable ally, especially when the crowd that brought Pashinyan brought in anti-Russian slogans. Russian business is also far from normal there. This is a rogue state with boorish manners. But they still helped them and gave them weapons, in contrast to Azerbaijan, which bought them. There is something to lose in any case, so Russia refrained from direct intervention. A weak ally with a difficult character and an economically strong buyer with an equal relationship is a difficult choice! 2000 peacekeepers, in fact, are nothing more than a police mission, but this is also a factor of political presence in that region and influence not only on Armenia, but also on Azerbaijan, because NK is officially part of Azerbaijan.
As for the downed helicopter, there are many pitfalls, and as an incident belli, this incident will not pass, no matter how many would like it. Yes, he was on the territory of Armenia, but next to the border of Azerbaijan, with which the hostilities were fought, if the Azerbaijani side was not warned about the helicopter flight, then this is enough to remove the charge of provocation from Azerbaijan and the possible accusation of provocation on Russia. It will be necessary to find serious arguments explaining such a close location of the combat helicopter to the Azerbaijani border. The fact that the Azerbaijani side admitted its guilt and accepted compensation has removed some issues that are inconvenient for Russia and, in principle, transferred this incident from the military to the legal level.
Now let's get back to the peacekeepers again. Who do you think will be more dangerous for them, the Armenians, whom they are supposed to protect, or the Azerbaijanis who almost won this war for Karabakh? My opinion is that the Armenians will have to expect big problems. They lost with fewer victims than they could and they will have a desire for revenge for a very long time. I think over time, the peacekeeping base can be increased if the Armenians continue to try to bite Russia.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Horon

You have expressed your own opinion where some of the arguments are indisputable, some are far-fetched.

I am expressing my opinion, you are yours, this is normal. Opinions may not coincide.

Quote: Horon

Now let's get back to the peacekeepers again. Who do you think will be more dangerous for them, the Armenians, whom they are supposed to defend, or the Azerbaijanis who almost won this war for Karabakh? My opinion is that the Armenians will have to expect big problems. They lost with fewer victims than they could and they will have a desire for revenge for a very long time.

In principle, regarding Armenia, I have already answered you earlier:

This option is quite possible,

And here is the general opinion on this matter:

And it doesn't matter which side it will be, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Armenia.

[Nagaibak]

Tank Hard "Well, now there will be about 2000 guys with not the strongest weapons, which they will be able to oppose if hostilities start against them."
There, nearby in Gyumri, there is a base of 4000 thousand personnel and there will be enough heavy weapons for everyone. And I think they won't take away heavy weapons from the Karabakh Armenians either. And the Karabakh Armenians will take our side anyway.))) If something happens. But in fact, Aliyev simply will not agree to this. This is not Pashinyan.))) He is smarter. Azerbaijan was lucky that in difficult times they were led by the Aliyevs.))) If it weren't for them, there would be a mess. Their opposition is stupid.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nagaibak

And the Karabakh Armenians will take our side anyway.))) In which case

A controversial point. While they are shouting about non-recognition of the agreements on Karabakh. Let's see how events will develop further.

[Nagaibak]

Tank Hard "A controversial moment. While they are shouting about non-recognition of the agreements on Karabakh."
those who do not shout in the trenches, but stupidly wait for the peacekeepers to approach. And the Pashinyans called the Karabakh Armenians Turks or something like that.))) Do not confuse the mood in Yerevan with the mood in Stepanakert. The Karabakh people realized that they had been thrown. And if you look at a lot of videos where local Armenians and volunteers are calling the Yerevan screamers to the front.

[Nagaibak]

Tank Hard "Why Second Base? What is its tactical value?"
If they drive from the first, they will go to the second.)))

[atalef]

Quote: Merkit

and peace was made

Seriously?

[NTD]

Quote: Magadan

putinoids launched a new feature

What does Putinoid mean? If you don't respect your president, then no one will. Have a conscience to call the president by name, if only because there are many foreigners sitting and watching.

Further your nonsense did not begin to read and from now on I will not read provocateurs. You minus and a complaint from me about your post provocative.

[Nastia makarova]

The man comes from Armenia ... that explains his hysteria.

[NTD]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

The man comes from Armenia ... that explains his hysteria.

Then all the more he should respect Russia and the head of this country, whatever he may be. Russia gave them so much that the Armenians 10 life is not enough to pay off to Russia. If Putin wants, he will open his archives of Tsarist Russia, and then the Armenians should bury their heads on the ground just like ostriches. Therefore, it is in their interests not to quarrel with Russia.

[Terran]

Whatever post from you is "putinoids", "everything is gone", "you don't understand anything," "and continue to pray for the EP", etc. etc. - one hysteria of an unbalanced person from which it is disgusting.
Political achievements are not the wishes and fantasies of hysterical people with an enchanting sense of self-importance, but the art of the possible. Our side Russia at this moment received very little, but the maximum that was possible from the existing conditions - an additional base (at least temporarily) on the territory of Azerbaijan / Karabakh in addition to a base in Armenia for additional opportunities to contain Turkey's ambitions. And this base is also beneficial for Azerbaijan, since Aliyev understands that Turkey will gladly, if possible, strangle Azerbaijan in powerful fraternal embraces and turn it into an oil province of Turkey. All this rhetoric "One people - two states", like any rhetoric, is rapidly changing under new political circumstances and opportunities (how did it change for Erdogan, Gaddafi and Assad with whom they were even friends with their families, and where is it all?).
And before this agreement, we were all very bad - the intoxicated Armenian people themselves chose this gravedigger, Pashinyan, a sorosen with a suicidal break with Russia and demands for the withdrawal of our base. Now we have a little more than this situation in a strategic growing confrontation with neo-Ottoman Turkey.
Azerbaijan received practically the maximum, and even with all the verbal gratitude of Turkey, it received the opportunity to protect itself from the possible suffocating embrace of Turkey. The minus for them is the increased influence of Turkey on themselves.
The Armenian people, of course, are in a deep knockdown from which they must wake up, throw off the fog of fantasies and put the question first of all to themselves. If he himself is not able today (and even a century ago) to ensure his safety - who can be his real defender and what kind of relationship with him should be, taking into account his interests (and not his own who are passed off as him). The Armenian people are themselves the blacksmith of their own happiness and misfortune - they chose and supported their gravedigger Pashinyan and he must draw conclusions with a sober view of reality without fantasies.

[Petro_tut]

at the same time, even Iran destroyed the US bases at one time for a much smaller jamb from the US

The assassination of Suleimani is no less a jamb, it's like during a deep visit to fill up the country's prime minister, Suleimani is the national symbol of Iran, the national hero of Iran

[rotmistr60]

There is an opinion in Azerbaijan that politicians did not allow the final victory in Karabakh

Before expressing such opinions, they would be better voiced real losses and then you see, you would still say thank you to Russia. But there are also those who think more professionally looking into the future.

Azerbaijan, having entered into an alliance with Turkey, fell into a strong dependence on its neighbor, partially losing its sovereignty.

And these are flowers, but the berries can easily appear and surprise the Azerbaijani "brother".

[Koval Sergey]

Almost defeating the Artsakh defense army and reaching the NKR capital Stepanakert, the Azerbaijani army was stopped almost one step away from complete victory

Well, apparently they bent somewhere. Therefore, they stopped.

[sergo1914]

And what about Pashinyan, by the way? Caught?

[NTD]

Quote: sergo1914

And what about Pashinyan, by the way? Caught?

Pashinyan is located in the building of the Ministry of Defense, in the so-called bunker, where he feels more protected.

As for family members, there are rumors that the two daughters of the head of the Cabinet - Mariam and Shushan - left Armenia about a week ago. According to the same rumors, they are in Canada.

But where the Prime Minister's wife Anna Hakobyan participates in military exercises, at least in the photos published yesterday, she was in military uniform and in a military sleeping bag, is also kept secret. Before the publication of this document, she was in Goris, but after its publication, they say, Hakobyan left Goris. Presumably, her son and youngest daughter are with her, ”the newspaper notes.

[rocket757]

Interesno, is this opinion from the regulars of social networks or those who are on the front line and their loved ones?

[Servisinzhener]

In my opinion, such an instant stoppage of hostilities is associated with a Russian helicopter shot down in Armenia. After that, Putin made Aliyev an offer from which he considered it for the good not to refuse.
And it would be good for Aliyev to find out how "accidentally" this man with MANPADS was there. Because with this shot he stopped Azerbaijan from the opportunity to occupy the entire territory of the NKR.

[NTD]

Quote: Servisinzhener

In my opinion, such an instant stoppage of hostilities is associated with a Russian helicopter shot down in Armenia. After that, Putin made Aliyev an offer from which he considered it for the good not to refuse.
And it would be good for Aliyev to find out how "accidentally" this man with MANPADS was there. Because with this shot he stopped Azerbaijan from the opportunity to occupy the entire territory of the NKR.

if so, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense will hang that soldier (MANPADS operator) by the balls

[Servisinzhener]

if so, the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense will hang that soldier (MANPADS operator) by the balls

Not only for the purpose of punishment, but also to clarify the entire chain. And in my opinion, this chain leads to the territory of Armenia. Because in my opinion, the only side of which this turn of affairs was beneficial is Armenia.

[NTD]

Quote: Servisinzhener

Not only for the purpose of punishment, but also to clarify the entire chain. And in my opinion, this chain leads to the territory of Armenia.

I readily believe. In 2016, there were traitors in our Ministry of Defense, even among commoners. Someone said to the operator, sit and wait, flies.

You are completely right.

[Petro_tut]

with this shot he stopped Azerbaijan from the opportunity to occupy the entire territory of the NKR.

It seems that the main occupation is trade, but you can't add two or two, - the column has already advanced to the NKR, which means an agreement has already been reached

[Dmitry Makarov]

Wise Turkish politicians left a loophole in Karabakh in the form of disputed territories.
So that this "loophole" can always be hit with the Turkish Yatagan, and the Armenian issue can be solved in one way or another.
Asia is a delicate matter.

[72jora72]

Quote: Peter Rybak

Artsakh no longer exists.

but where did he go ??

[iouris]

I wrote that they will start now: Aliyev didn’t let the “enemy” be finished off (he didn’t let the Armenians arrange genocide), Azerbaijan has too huge external debt, the combat losses are too great, the country finally has no democracy, and so on. But the main thing is that he stole the victory from Erdogan, sold himself to Putin ... In short, very soon the people will be justified that there is treason all around, the country needs a revolution, the elimination of a corrupt Aliyev and unification with great Turkey without any brakes ... I am afraid that at the same time in Armenia will be arranged another Armenian revolution with the genocide of (some) Armenians.
In general, political life around (and inside) is not so much beautiful as amazing ...

[Azimuth]

Quote: MTN

Quote: Peter Rybak

Do you see what yellow means? It also says: territories under the control of the Armenian forces.

Armenian forces leave ALL KARABAKH and all 7 regions. This is 100% until the end of this year. The condition was that the Armenian soldier would not be in this territory.

1. Ok, there will be no Armenian soldiers, but who will exercise administrative power? - your beloved President of Artsakh Arayik and company.
2. And whose police will enforce law and order? By the way, she will be unarmed or what? - no, that is, the Armenians will remain armed, but dozens of ATGMs, RPGs, MANPADS, 82mm mortars, etc. how to drink to hide in Karabakh ...
3. Has Azerbaijan freed its territory from the foreign army and restored sovereignty over its entire territory? - no. You now have the Russian army replaced the Armenian army, with the Armenian, by the way, there were at least chances, but with the Russian they were ZERO, remember Georgia, 2008. The Russian army thus ensures the security of Armenia, as we see from the Armenian army there is a sense of ZERO, the Armenians could not spend money on it at all , and now by the way and will not. It's cheaper to keep a little less than 2000 bayonets in which direction to look askance you will be afraid than 40000 of your rams in uniform.

Explain to me what, then, is the victory of Azerbaijan in your opinion, in the opinion of the population? In the return of the occupied territories? - you could return them by recognizing the status of Karabakh, I think the Armenians would give Shusha in exchange for the Lachin corridor. Following the results of this war, what is the meaning of victory for you, in multibillion-dollar spending on weapons and the army, which will still not protect you from Iran, Turkey or Russia, or in putting several thousand killed from not the worst part of your population, and taking into account how many volunteers you have, the best sons of the Motherland? AND? For what? To bring down the heat in the internal political situation and to the fanfare of which there is no victory, someone stole it from your army, and this someone else will check for 10-15 years, and then hand over power to his son? For it? Are you sheep that you are so easy to breed and put under the knife?

I repeat, only Russia won, Karabakh is now a Russian base and FOR A LONG TIME. Armenia, yes, lost somewhere, but Karabakh is still not Azerbaijani, but Armenian, tried to defend what was captured in order to be an independent player in this matter, but it did not work out and here, by the way, there is no fault of Soros's mongrel Pashinyan, but one must be fair even to him like him, reproaches of betrayal against him have no basis. The status of Karabakh is not there, well, they have lived without it for 30 years and will continue to live, right next to me in the "product of Artsakh" food juice, and then what?
The Armenians are buzzing, but it is not the Yerevanians who are buzzing, but the Karabakh people in Yerevan, now the police will pack them and that's it. And by and large, there is no reason to bust them.
Moreover, the Natsiks are all hissing at Russia, and Pashinyan is clearly not a pro-Russian frame, and no matter how he stayed quietly as prime minister there.

But your answers to my questions are interesting. My feeling is that over time your attitude towards the results of the war will change and people will start talking about how they were betrayed, the army was betrayed, and the victory was taken away.

[Azimuth]

Quote: Guards turn

What do we have:
1. The war is stopped (!), Who is attentive.
2. Armenia is saved from defeat. 3. NKR remains to live in most of its borders, and remains Armenian, for a minute. The indefatigable Turkey was temporarily pushed aside, Erdogan was shown who is in charge in the region.
5. Aliyev is now forced to walk along the edge of the abyss, and Saakashvili's ashes are pounding in his heart. Any provocation will cause him a heart attack. 6. Pashinyan will be removed one way or another. 7. Russia gets a second military base in the Armenian Highlands, which is often confused in the Caucasus, this time on the formal territory of Azerbaijan, which is simply amazing.
8. There are prospects for a negotiated settlement of statuses, corridors and borders.
9. Sorosyatnki there now for some time definitely no place. 10. The entry of Armenia and Georgia into NATO was again disrupted. 11. Aliyev was given the opportunity to gracefully imitate the Turkish embrace, the danger of which he himself perfectly understands. 12. The EU has clearly shown everyone that they can't do a damn thing. 13. Putin showed that this is exactly what he can do.

On point 5, I disagree, we helped Aliyev retain power and sit on the throne for 10-15 years without any problems at all.
Items 9 and 10 have not yet been removed from the agenda, Armenian nationalists may come to power, and they are worse than Pashinyan and are also oriented toward the West.
In all other respects I agree 100%. This is really our victory, it's just that all the scatters and uryakalka go by inertia.
But in order for the victory to be consolidated, we must necessarily, accurately and gracefully solve in Armenia not only the Pashinyan problem, but also the problem of nationalists, to bring down anti-Russian sentiments

[Vadim237]

"Items 9 and 10 have not yet been removed from the agenda, Armenian nationalists may come to power, and they are worse than Pashinyan and are also oriented toward the West." And what will they do - they will start the war again, then the Khan of Armenia will come like them. And yes, the West does not help rogue.

[Azimuth]

In another thread I wrote, the base is on my ears, tanks and memory units were driven out to the main directions, blocks were set, etc. In the course of the infa passed about the provocations of the allies. The horses and the Nazis can take a risk, it is not in vain that they gave away Karabakh, dropped the ballast ...

[flicker]

became heavily dependent on his neighbor, partially losing his sovereignty

Yes, the Turks will sit on the Azerbaijanis' necks and hang their legs.

[Scorpio05]

Quote: carstorm 11

are you cloned somewhere? why are you all climbing here? the segment of AZ sites does not attract what?)

Why are you discussing Azerbaijani Karabakh then? Or do you like it like in the programs of Solovyov or Artem Sheinin, when 4 Armenians gather and discuss Azerbaijan and what Russia needs to do with it?))

[Scorpio05]

Quote: iouris

I wrote that they will start now: Aliyev didn’t let the “enemy” be finished off (he didn’t let the Armenians arrange genocide), Azerbaijan has too huge external debt, the combat losses are too great, the country finally has no democracy, and so on. But the main thing is that he stole the victory from Erdogan, sold himself to Putin ... In short, very soon the people will be justified that there is treason all around, the country needs a revolution, the elimination of a corrupt Aliyev and unification with great Turkey without any brakes ... I am afraid that at the same time in Armenia will be arranged another Armenian revolution with the genocide of (some) Armenians.
In general, political life around (and inside) is not so much beautiful as amazing ...

What a huge debt? What are you talking nonsense, gold and foreign exchange reserves are many times higher than foreign debt. And then, too, nonsense, I don't even want to comment.