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"Greece is stabilizing Turkey": against the background of statements from the United States, anti-aircraft launches took place in Crete

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Many experts expected the beginning of the reign of the new US President Joe Biden with the deployment of a foreign policy attack on Turkey. It seems that their predictions have been confirmed.

For the new head of the White House, his adviser Michael Carpenter spoke out:

Turkey is behaving irresponsibly and aggressively, not as a NATO ally, and this is a fact that the new Biden government will see.


In his words, the situation around Greece looks the most painful, since relations between the countries are close to the beginning of a military conflict. In this regard, pressure must be exerted on Ankara. At the same time, the adviser suggested not resorting to economic sanctions, as they could cause "the collapse of the Turkish economy." At the same time, the US Ambassador to Greece Geoffrey R. Payat pointed out that the United States views Greece as a "stabilizing force in the region."

Against the backdrop of statements by American politicians "teasing" Athens, the Greek army continues to conduct a series of military exercises. One of the main nodes of defense is the air defense systems located on the island of Crete, since they hold at gunpoint a significant part of the eastern Mediterranean.

The other day, firing took place from the Tor-M1 and Osa-AK anti-aircraft missile systems located here, which were previously acquired from Russia. In addition, training launches were performed from the HAWK, ASRAD and STINGER air defense systems.

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  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 November 2020 01: 48
    +1
    The Greeks need to buy at least a couple of dozen shells, and preferably three dozen.
    1. kieferandreas
      kieferandreas 11 November 2020 01: 53
      -33 qualifying.
      Well, yes, the Armenians were not helped against the Turkish UAVs, but the Greeks will be helped by PANZERI, and then it catches up and one more time.
      1. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 11 November 2020 02: 16
        23
        Was Pantsiri used during the war in Karabakh? They were not even there. Before "crowing" at least study the question ...
        1. venik
          venik 11 November 2020 13: 19
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          Quote: LifeIsGood
          Was Pantsiri used during the war in Karabakh? They were not even there. Before "crowing" at least study the question ...

          =========
          Right! Armenians do not have "Shells" and never HAVE! There, short-range air defense only "Osa-AKM" and "Thor-M2KM" (by the way! laughing ) .....
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 11 November 2020 14: 19
            +1
            The Armenians began to use the TORs only at the very end of the war, and then on a very limited scale and probably it was the TORs that brought down Bayraktars, and the Wasps did not even reach their height.
            1. venik
              venik 11 November 2020 16: 24
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              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              The Armenians began to use TORs only at the very end of the war and then on a very limited scale.

              =========
              Yes, God knows whether they used them (No. Tora ") at all .... It seems that in early October the Azerbaijanis even posted a video with the alleged destruction of" Tor-M2KM ", but there was such a quality that figs you will understand" Thor "is it or NOT "Thor" (or maybe even a plywood layout?). In that stream of "misinformation" on both sides - you can figure it out in general (without half a liter) .....
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              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Probably it was the TORs that brought down the Bayraktars, and the Wasps did not even reach their height.

              =========
              FIG knows! First, "Bayraktar" there seems to be only 2 were shot down (October 19 and November 8). The rest are Israeli. And then, at "Bayraktar" 7.3 km is the maximum ceiling (without any load). And if you load 4 more ammunition on it, then it is unlikely to be able to rise up to 6 km (rather, less) ..... Well, then "the ceiling of the aircraft is considered from the" sea level ", and the height reach of the air defense missile system - from the point him location !). Considering that in the region of Nagorno-Karabakh the height difference is approximately - from 1 to 2 km above sea level, it turns out that it is not that much ("Bayraktar") and unattainable for "Wasp" ..... So anything can be ...... request
        2. kieferandreas
          kieferandreas 20 November 2020 12: 06
          0
          The author and I wrote about now and not about the 90s. Oskarbleny unnecessarily if it was not clear ask again and I will answer differently to make it clear what I mean. In general, here you read and wonder there is still no huge war, all are as feisty as "panthers"
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 11 November 2020 03: 43
        +6
        So they did not have shells and therefore did not help.
      3. Crabong
        Crabong 11 November 2020 05: 26
        -2
        Well, sho you crow, eh?
    2. LifeIsGood
      LifeIsGood 11 November 2020 02: 20
      0
      The Greeks first need to revise their air defense, find out what they need to update / upgrade / buy there. And only then to think about whether they need Armor or some other system.
      Although they still have no money ... nowadays a good layered air defense is a rather expensive toy that not everyone can afford.
      1. Invoce
        Invoce 11 November 2020 08: 26
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        Quote: LifeIsGood
        The Greeks first need to audit their air defense, find out what they need to update / upgrade / buy there. And only then to think about whether they need Armor or some other system.
        Although they still have no money ... nowadays a good layered air defense is a rather expensive toy that not everyone can afford.

        First, the Greeks HAVE to decide for themselves who they want to be ... smart or beautiful! request
  2. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 01: 53
    +2
    In this regard, pressure must be exerted on Ankara. At the same time, the adviser suggested not resorting to economic sanctions, as they could cause "the collapse of the Turkish economy." At the same time, he stressed that neither France nor Germany nor the United States can do this alone. Good coordination and cooperation is required, because it is impossible for one NATO member to threaten another. When Turkey sees that we are united, it will think about whether it is worth continuing to threaten and act defiantly, Michael Carpenter emphasizes.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 11 November 2020 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: Pavlos Melas
      When Turkey sees that we are united, it will think about whether it is worth continuing to threaten and act defiantly, emphasizes Michael Carpenter.

      Yeah:
      The enemy will see that the capital
      Eating and drinking and having fun ...
      He will tremble with fear,
      Runs without looking back (A.S. Pushkin)
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 08: 54
        +1
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Quote: Pavlos Melas
        When Turkey sees that we are united, it will think about whether it is worth continuing to threaten and act defiantly, emphasizes Michael Carpenter.

        Yeah:
        The enemy will see that the capital
        Eating and drinking and having fun ...
        He will tremble with fear,
        Runs without looking back (A.S. Pushkin)

        Claims not to me is a quote from Carpenter, which was published in the Greek media. hi
        1. Livonetc
          Livonetc 11 November 2020 09: 12
          0
          What do you personally think.
          Can Turkey, in principle, decide, for example, to seize one of the Greek islands?
          hi
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 09: 25
            0
            Quote: Livonetc
            What do you personally think.
            Can Turkey, in principle, decide, for example, to seize one of the Greek islands?
            hi

            Maybe, but for this the stars must match. Turkey should be sure that the war will be fast and the world community will behave in the same way as it is with Armenia now. In Greece, by the way, there was an opinion that a hot episode could happen easily, just because of Kastelorizo. By the way, in 96 there was a crisis for the island of Imia, in my opinion an incident shameful for us. Several months ago, our General Staff announced that such a crisis would lead to confrontation along the entire perimeter of the borders. That is, ours announced the possibility of a full-fledged war.
        2. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 11 November 2020 10: 05
          +1
          Quote: Pavlos Melas
          Claims not to me is a quote from Carpenter

          Duc, I have no complaints. It just seems to me that they want to scare a hedgehog with a naked opa there.
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 10: 23
            +1
            Duc, I have no complaints. It just seems to me that they want to scare a hedgehog with a naked opa there.
            They don't have a dilemma of how to hurt Ertogan, but not fatally. How not to give Ertogan to his paws laughing to evil Putin.
          2. parkello
            parkello 11 November 2020 12: 28
            0
            There is not at all naked opa ... the Greeks have something, and who to fight. winked You may not know, but I myself served in the Greek army and as a Greek it is unpleasant for me to read such reviews, especially since you do not know anything about the Greek army
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 11 November 2020 13: 03
              0
              Quote: parkello
              There is not at all naked opa ... the Greeks have something, and who to fight.

              I did not mean the Greeks, but trying to gather in a gang of Gay Europeans who want to put Erdogan in a stall without having serious leverage over him. Research in progress.
              As for the Greek army, with all due respect, if it comes to an armed conflict with Turkey (although it is unlikely that this will be allowed inside NATO), it will be about the same as with the Armenian. The nature of database management has changed. hi
              1. parkello
                parkello 12 November 2020 12: 53
                +1
                No, not the same, the character has changed, but the same is for the Turks as for us. We do not want to fight, but we will not give up our hard-earned money either.
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 12 November 2020 13: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: parkello
                  but we will not give up our hard-earned money either.

                  I will only be glad. drinks
  3. Pavlos Melas
    Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 01: 56
    +8
    Here I read the article a couple of times and watched the video but saw nothing about Cyprus. Lord Cyprus and Crete different islands hi fool
    1. parkello
      parkello 11 November 2020 12: 23
      +1
      Why are there islands, different states tongue laughing laughing
      1. Pavlos Melas
        Pavlos Melas 11 November 2020 13: 03
        +1
        True, true, but something has to be borrowed even from potential opponents. Κύπρος γη Ελληνική hi tongue
        1. parkello
          parkello 12 November 2020 12: 48
          +1
          Και φυσικα ελληνικη, αλλα παραμενει ανεξαφτητο κρατος ως τωρα. αλλο η Κυπρος αλλο η Κριτη, συμφωνεις; otherwise I agree, Pavle ...
          1. Pavlos Melas
            Pavlos Melas 12 November 2020 13: 57
            +1
            Yes, I agree and wrote Ελληνική and not Ελλαδιτικη wink the difference is significant, I think.
  4. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 11 November 2020 03: 21
    +2
    Fired rockets from CYPRUS or CRETE? Not exactly the same ...
  5. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 November 2020 03: 39
    +1
    It would be nice that the fascinating terrorists with the Turkish scumbags ironed each other.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2020 05: 01
    +1
    Turkey behaves irresponsibly and aggressively
    Even the Americans admit this, although they silently approve of Turkey's actions in Syria and the Caucasus. At the same time, they do not want to impose sanctions so as not to undermine the Turkish economy. But, apparently, Erdogan has completely lost his shores and he does not care what they say in the same United States, with the obstinacy of a ram breaks into the gates of international politics building his own. Sooner or later, the Americans will have to decide what to do with Turkey and how to return it to the NATO stall.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 November 2020 05: 17
    0
    The usual political fuss. The sultan "got out of hand", began to allow himself a lot of unnecessary things, so they decided to "put him in his place", so far only with warnings. ..
  8. Moskovit
    Moskovit 11 November 2020 05: 23
    +1
    The Greek army and navy are unlikely to become a truly stabilizing force, but they can distract some of the Turks on themselves.
  9. Crabong
    Crabong 11 November 2020 05: 27
    +1
    The Turks will gut the hair of the Greeks very quickly, if anything happens ... Without NATO.
  10. Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 November 2020 08: 02
    0
    At the same time, the adviser proposed not to resort to economic sanctions, as they could cause a "collapse of the Turkish economy"

    Well, this is the ultimate sign of strong "stabilizer" support. laughing
  11. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 November 2020 09: 24
    0
    Well, since the United States is concerned about relations between Greece and Turkey, then the war will be between them! good